gtfo-related-questions

[neon gust]

👻

BOOOOOHHH

[silver fable]

hel revo would be something like C tier without reload cancel

B if you really overrate the pen

[neon gust]

I would say its a b still

the gun pretty good

[silver fable]

you kill 4 things with good aim but no pen, then you wait through a reload animation that's apparently actually 2.8s

[neon gust]

join the gang fnr

play bp and pr

get usue to reloading fully

then you will say that reload cancel its a cruch

[silver fable]

having to go out of your way to find a lineup to get 2.8s reload hel revo to its performance ceiling to just get maybe 6 kills is some copium imo

[silver fable]

but then I would have to play

4man

🤮

maybe instead 10cc should make some hard levels

rather than sitting around bored watching some hollywood spectacle reload animations half the time instead of actually fighting

[cold quarry]

hel revo would absolutely not be C without reload cancel

[neon gust]

gotta get that powercreep levels in r8

[cold quarry]

10cc wants to make levels harder they'd nerf the sledgehammer

[neon gust]

grongus discovers hammer been op

[cold quarry]

yeah

[neon gust]

always was always been

[silver fable]

ya, hammer nerfs are overdue

[cold quarry]

as a previous bat/knife user that is now getting good with sledge

holy fucking shit

this game turns into DOOM

[neon gust]

also you dont need to use foam exclusively for permafoaming

you just need to foam a door

and it buys you several scans

permafoam its cringe

[cold quarry]

ahh fair

we were doing it with two shotty sentries but barely even needed to use them

[neon gust]

door health rework its overdue too

[cold quarry]

should've, on that last alarm

door health being a flat time regardless of enemies feels insane

how was that not changed

[silver fable]

I'm a knife stan, but that means "learn hammer for the sake of your development then maybe pick up knife for niche use"

you really stunted your development there

[cold quarry]

I mean I was great with knife/bat

but god damn the sledge is just ridiculous

[neon gust]

nah door health its hits

if it remember correctly small doors are 6-7 big doors are 12

and then you add the foam health

[silver fable]

the global door damage timer thing needs to go, that's the main thing imo

[neon gust]

the only thing that helps doors and foam been OP

[cold quarry]

yes

[neon gust]

its the global timer yeh

but even then

it doesnt stop you from holding a choke until you run out of tool

cfoam it antifun

unless its on the floor

then its chill

[silver fable]

at least you can partially address permafoam with zone layouts and scan types

global timer just hands you double durability for doing literally nothing

[neon gust]

yeah but you if you "hard part" its a single choke thats a regular door then you end up permafoaming it

[silver fable]

"oh we have multiple S scans, but the doors will take 20mins to get pushed down anyway"

[neon gust]

permafoaming allows you to skip so many checks just in general

even if you slap a s1 or ts

[silver fable]

it does, but imo at least it's fine in easier levels so new players can learn that tools are powerful

[neon gust]

if the room its small you just go out of your way to slap a full charge then go back to scan and finish it

[neon gust]

true

[silver fable]

then in harder levels you expect 10cc to make complex layouts and scan types to make permafoam a harder tradeoff

which... sometimes happens, sometimes not

[neon gust]

i wouldnt expect that

[cold quarry]

add an actual tightrope you have to balance across to reach the scan

[neon gust]

add an actual cool mechanic

thats not sitting on a circle

hexagon

or wahtever shape of your choosing

[cold quarry]

bit late in development for that i feel but I agree completely

would love if you had to do mechanical repairs/etc to progress in areas

this facility works too well for being overrun

[neon gust]

r5 introduced corrupt terminals

[cold quarry]

true those are cool

[neon gust]

we might get another minigame in r8

[cold quarry]

also VERY disappointed the reactor didn't meltdown in Error

where was the earth-shattering kaboom?

[neon gust]

Meltdown just mean , spooky noises and a 1 time 3 tank spawn

[cold quarry]

:(

replace 3-tank with a "REACTOR TEMPERATURE CRITICAL" and a 3min timer starts

fucking run

[neon gust]

they dont have a way to terminate the game

in vanilla

[cold quarry]

pain.

[neon gust]

modded for sure, theyll just spawn like 20 invisible mines below you without animation and kill you

[cold quarry]

if it works it works

[silver fable]

surge error

r6d3 style

not a perfect way of pushing players out, but close enough

[cold quarry]

this but unironically

[spiral hound]

Yo does anyone know how to do R1 for zone 52. My friend and I just started like 2 weeks ago but we keep having our asses given to us by these monster

[latent obsidian]

people will be able to help more if you say the level (A1, B1, B2... etc). If you're dying on an alarm try putting mines on the inside of the closed door and then reinforcing it with cfoam

[dry pumice]

Need more info. R1 is the entire rundown (campaign). We need a specific level you're struggling with (A1, B1...) and the bit that gets you killed - stealth? Alarms?

[spiral hound]

A1

R1

[dry pumice]

Oh and a friendly reminder that if you're playing as just 2 players - you're playing undermaned. The game does not adjusts difficulty for number of players.

Alright, so if i remember correctly... There's like 3 alarm scans plus the extraction rush.

When it comes to scans the idea is always the same: the scan is the objective, killing enemies is a means to an end. You don't even have to kill them - you just need to delay them for you to do the scans. Once it says "Scan Complete" you can proceed to kill the remaining monsters

Scan 1, if i remember correctly, in a small T-like room. Exceptionally easy.
Bring cfoam launcher + mine deployer, close the door, and use cfoam to reinforce the door (its fully reinforced once you hear a "freezing" sound) and put a mine right next to the door on your side.
Start the scan, focus on the scans, get em done, i think its like class 2 or 3 which combined with the small rooms means you can get it done before the swarm breaks the door - so you just do that and then stand back. Enemies will break the door and immediately walk into a mine, usually wiping most of the wave if not all of it.

Find the key, put it into door #2, do the same. The enemies almost never use the long dark room to the side - especially if you close both doors in that.
Do the foam-mine wombo combo again on the big wide door, put a sentry overwatching it and do the scan again.
TIP: The cfoam launcher guy can continuously apply cfoam to doors to keep them reinforced, keeping out the swarm for as long as possible.

Then you do the same thing with the 3rd scan again. You might notice a pattern here.

Then you find the objective, scan that and then rush your ass to extraction point.

Just be careful with the objective room, its a lot longer than people expect and fits a lot of monsters, unprepared squad can easily get wiped here if the room awakens. Probably will still have to clear it ether way.

Unfortunately i have no idea what zone 52 is, so you'll have to remind us.

[latent obsidian]

instructions unclear, softlocked in the ceiling

[modern ibex]

Any tips for dealing with a Mother solo without bringing a loadout specifically for it? Slowly ground my way through R3B2 only to hit a wall in that room. I'll be sure to bring some Fog Repellers next time (and hopefully more health) but with only one player and no C-foam it positions very effectively to block shots to the back

[craggy pier]

well veruta is good for clearing babies

its also ok vs tumors

i usually just kill em that way and if ammo is tight i will try to melee the tumors

[modern ibex]

Oh okay, I didn't know melee was even a feasible option in that fight

For the tumors, I mean

[craggy pier]

yeah it does decent damage

u can melee a mother with 3 people without giving birther assuming you stagger before she dies it

you also should take out the side tumors first at least what i do with bots so when i corner the mother i can pop the upper ones easily

[latent obsidian]

Thats a nice tip I hadn't really considered before

[dry pumice]

Remind me: is she asleep and have you managed to find any cfoam grenades / mines in the level?

[past star]

Anyone know when r6 comes out so I can have fun?

[dry pumice]

I predict september / october

[craggy pier]

im glad to help

[craggy pier]

yes she is a sleep but you have to do an alarm in that zone

[dry pumice]

Was more so alluding to cfoaming her and doing the usual thing

[latent obsidian]

How do bots do vs babies?

[dry pumice]

No idea, but i'd assume about as well as vs chargers

Probably try to melee them once they get too close

[craggy pier]

vanilla bots get licked to death, better bots, its doom slayer

[craggy pier]

yep and they die before they get to kill 2-3 babies cuz 1.6 charge

also hugging em

[dry pumice]

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

[modern ibex]

On my last attempt I found a single mine, but I don't know if it actually set it off. I was expecting it to run towards me and it certainly did not. If I do find a c-foam nade that would be huge, but then I'd also have to leave any Fog Repellers behind and fight in the fog since I can only carry one consumable

[craggy pier]

you can stand in the fog of the mother zone

[tardy ingot]

i think its more about the mom fog

[craggy pier]

ah

that makes more sense

[modern ibex]

i mean, I guess I can run right up on the mother even in the fog

[dry pumice]

Mothers are shy and do a weird back and fourth shaffle. It will attempt to establish an eye contact with you, yet not? They do not give birth until they see you (its basically a line of sight attack).

You can setup the cfoam mine right and her and that should work.

If you cfoam her - that will give you like 5 seconds headstart. If your DPS is good enough - you can get it done before she taws.

[craggy pier]

automod

[tardy ingot]

if you find a cfoam grenade (i dont think r3b2 has cfoam tripmines?) you can basically 1 cycle her with the shotgun

are you playing with bots?

cuz if yes they should deal with the babies pretty well

[dry pumice]

Azert already disproved that theory. Don't know, maybe he fights at to close a range for them to do anything

[craggy pier]

im always cornering a mother

bots barely shoot vs them cuz 4-5 meters and its melee time and doesnt go well

[dry pumice]

Why not put some distance between you and her, kill babies first, then corner?

[craggy pier]

close up veruta the babies then work out how to rob her of her life

i only kill half or so then go for a tumor

rest bots can take care of

and im using better bots for the record

[mossy aurora]

2 more months for a rundown thats already on the current build

[neon gust]

good at a distance

bad close range

when she starts birthing they try to melee because theyre few

only after shes done birthing like 6 or more they back up and start shooting

[mossy aurora]

ohh sounds like bots would be good in r6d2 first blooddoor mom

GET TO THE LADDER

[tardy ingot]

just go full chad, hel shotty + shotgun

just make mom a no issue

[silver fable]

to r3b2? pump shotgun

best mommy killer (short of burst cannon I guess) and also great into waves and bigs

and iirc you're not going to get punished for short range in that level at all

[ancient lotus]

192

[silver fable]

you can get kills on mothers using waveclear guns though, but if you're solo (I don't know how much bots help out on mommy) then it's pain

[hidden ridge]

If bots shoot they maul the shit out of the babies

[silver fable]

I've true solo'd mothers with hel gun before but it wasn't pretty

[hidden ridge]

Consider that they dont care how fast they are or how much visibility there is

I've had them clear a whole spawn by themselves+burst sentry

[silver fable]

r6d4 opening solo was work

[ancient lotus]

You got 517 games on steam and only have played around 70. What?

[silver fable]

humble

[ancient lotus]

But at least you got prey

[silver fable]

at first you're like, "look at all the value this monthly sub gets me!"

[ancient lotus]

Very delicious game

[silver fable]

then you're like, "...I don't feel like playing any of these games"

then I went down an aoe2 hole, then a gtfo hole, and kinda stopped playing much else

[ancient lotus]

The 1.9k hours show

[silver fable]

ya

well, 2k+ hrs is pretty common around here

I'll fault 10cc on a lot of things, but value for money is definitely not one of them

[ancient lotus]

Then everyone lost sanity on hour 170

[silver fable]

I actually have hundreds of unredeemed keys on humble choice

it's pretty bad

I had the sanity to cancel the subscription a month or so ago

[modern ibex]

Quick question what kind of masochist makes a Fog Turbine that only works when someone is cradling it like a baby

Do they not have toggle switches in 2050?

[silver fable]

<--this one

[modern ibex]

I will fight him

[silver fable]

fighting ulf is probably a bannable offense

also maybe he didn't come up with the idea

[modern ibex]

He looks stronger than me anyway, I guess I'll just settle for leapfrogging a Turbine and a Cell to get around 😩

[silver fable]

maybe a bot can carry the turbine for you

then just shoot good

[neon gust]

Bots cannot carry objective items during fights

if the game its on active drama they will drop all carrying objects until its done

[modern ibex]

The turbines aren't objective items, are they? That being said I'm not playing with bots, but still

[neon gust]

so levels with permanent error alarms are not viable for bots

[neon gust]

they will drop anything

[modern ibex]

Oh interesting, that's good to know

[neon gust]

anything that they can grab they will drop it

common complain its people playing r2e1 during the error carrying items section

[modern ibex]

Yeah, makes sense

the carry sections are extremely logistically difficult for a solo player if you're carrying everything

[neon gust]

i mean

bots are filler

i feel no pitty for people playing with 3 bots

ill call you stupid even

[modern ibex]

Hahahaha

[neon gust]

if your actually soloing (true solo) then you kinda kite

[mossy aurora]

AzertWarrior did not like that comment

[modern ibex]

Yeah, luckily the enemies come in waves so I can deal with a wave, carry, repeat until the end

[neon gust]

He does it for the fun of it afaik, he actually plays with people

[modern ibex]

I just got screwed on this last section cause I had already lost too much health by misplaying, and then I expected my thermal scope to actually, you know, see enemies that could hit me through the fog (a grave error)

[neon gust]

but playing with 3 bots its just misleading for new people and just fucks the experience for new buyers

[modern ibex]

Yeah I get where you're coming from with that. There are a lot of games where bots are genuine substitutions for other players but this really isn't one of them.

[neon gust]

even if they have other feature like stand still here and other stuff, gtfo design its different from other games

your "weak" by design and most things rely on people

l4d you can straight up just aim good and your set, vermintide you can build you character to be an all in 1

gtfo just different

stealth and action blend in

[modern ibex]

Yeah, those games you can hard carry quite a bit easier as well

[neon gust]

sometimes you action, sometimes you stealth, sometimes you stealth during the action

[modern ibex]

There's a lot more room for error and the difficulty selection means you're really only getting butchered on higher difficulties

You can't actually stealth during alarms or when enemies are aggro'd, right? They just know where you are at all times right?

[neon gust]

you can stealth during an alarm aslong as you didnt shoot or an enemy scream

[dry pumice]

Yes

Keep awakeis from the sleepies

[modern ibex]

No shit, really? Huh, I'll have to remember that

[dry pumice]

2 rooms away, prefferably

[neon gust]

you can quite literally have a melee fight against multiple enemies in a sleeping room

[dry pumice]

But anyone who is indeed awake will forever know where you are

[neon gust]

as long as they dont scream in the room

[modern ibex]

OH okay, so anyone coming from a security door alarm or something WILL know where you are alltimes, then

[neon gust]

hell you can be 40+m away 1 room away and shoot

[modern ibex]

All very good information

On a different note, is there any reason to do the Level V security door in the beginning of R3B2?

It seems like you can avoid it entirely and instead do two side rooms, only one of which is a much lower security alarm.

[civic wave]

it gets you another cell so you can skip out on doing some stuff later

[dry pumice]

Either its an RNG objective room or resource room.

[civic wave]

it's a guaranteed 2 cell zone as opposed to 1 zone from the other side

[modern ibex]

Yeah, I mean that lets you skip out on grabbing one of the 2 cells from the other rooms, so I guess that's pretty good on its own

[civic wave]

in the original it used to be an RNG roll for which zone had what you were looking for (cell/turbine)

[modern ibex]

Kinda glad it's not RNG anymore - that level V alarm in that room is just awful awful

[civic wave]

the alarm was a lower class/equivalent to the other alarm, the RNG came from where the objects spawned

[modern ibex]

Oh I see

[ocean spindle]

i think depending on the item they hold onto it, drop it to fight, but keep movin with it
i could b wrong

they dont pick em up durin the fight but if u command em before i think they do that

... idk why i wanted to say it

i just woke up dont judge me

[lone mortar]

Imagine bots in error alarm

Instant life regrets

[ocean spindle]

i still say r2c2 is not hard with bots if u know where to go

[lone mortar]

Yes

But

Imagine R7B3

Main+overload

[neon gust]

your wrong

i do think better bots mod fixes that

i think

even with the fix i dont trust them with items

i rely on them to shoot more than carry something

never be in a situation where that happens tbh

[lone mortar]

How about

Making players movements embedded onto bots

Overall players play style

[ocean spindle]

ah then yeah pain

[lone mortar]

And behavior

[vague bridge]

would you consider it cheating to install better bots for expeditions we havent completed

[winged turtle]

if you ask darkeva? yes
if you ask black dragon? absolutely not

[ocean spindle]

if u ask me? maybe

[dry pumice]

Eh

I think default bots suck just enough ass to justify it as a QoL improvement

[latent obsidian]

yes but who really cares

[winged turtle]

would it be more fun for the bots to be better? or more fun to wipe again?

[dry pumice]

Left 4 Dead bots exist and that's all I need to know

They have their own giga brain moments, but no AI is perfect. Our bots are just pathetic.

Yes, melee duel the charger, Bishop, that's totally a thing real players do

[fierce walrus]

I mean… real players also die while meleeing giant chargers so…

[dry pumice]

But will you lose a duel to a single normal charger?

[ocean spindle]

yes

[fierce walrus]

well if the sucker phases into a wall and beats me up from a kilometer

then yes

and yes i had that happen

[winged turtle]

their proximity based melee priority means chargers are their cryptonite

[tardy ingot]

huh

I mean in the context of what cheating means it would probably fit as it gives you an advantage

I wouldnt straight up call it cheating, but its making the game easier

[modern ibex]

Do Fog Repellers wake up snoozing monsters?

[fierce walrus]

no

[modern ibex]

Bless, thank you

[fierce walrus]

frogs are silent

[soft crater]

Frog PROPELLERS

[fierce walrus]

frog frogellers

[neon gust]

damn having a feature to actually work reliably makes the game easier wuuut

its not cheating

[modern ibex]

Thank you gamers, easiest matricide of my life

[neon gust]

perfect boosters its cheating

keep my boosters its cheating

[modern ibex]

I get what Dark is saying though, in that it gives you an advantage you otherwise wouldn't have. And advantage you SHOULD have anyway, but I get the logic

[lone mortar]

it should be me

if any mods

asking me = hey man you can basically spawn tanks and i would merc em

[neon gust]

fixingn bots carrying objects its an advantage even tho its a bug?

[ocean spindle]

is it the only thing the mod does

[modern ibex]

It does more than just that though right?

[neon gust]

the only tangible thing it does its force bots to not suicide when reviving you

but thats a qol

[covert remnant]

And they will open containers.

[neon gust]

cheating would involve other stuff

[neon gust]

more annoying than i would like tbh

[covert remnant]

Probably the main reason I run Better Bots is because I'm not playing with other people. Other people would know to open containers/lockers. The bots can do it and lets me know what's what.

[neon gust]

I use the mod when i play with my significant other

[covert remnant]

But yeah, sometimes it can be annoying because then I don't know if it was me or them and they grab ammo pack and start dispensing to themselves.

[neon gust]

i begged for him to remove that

😭 he didnt

but yeah its stupid to qualify improving a feature as cheating

so that means people playing with the mod that fixes pinging stuff accuratly inside boxes as cheats

even tho thats literally suppose to be part of the game and it is qol

[ocean spindle]

i dont like the ping everything mod

cause i play with someone that like pings every single monster ina dark area

[neon gust]

thats not the ping everything mod tho

[ocean spindle]

no ik

[neon gust]

i hate that mod too

[ocean spindle]

but im like 'yeah... there sure are, monsters, i have glowies btw'

[soft crater]

CLEANER CLOTHES MOD?! DISGUSTING. CHEATING

[neon gust]

if i could blacklist mods from entering gtfo vanilla it would be
-sentryplacement everywhere
-keep my boosters
-perfect boosters
-ping everything mod
-combine resources

or any of the mods that give you more freedom of movement

[ocean spindle]

ahh the sentry one hurts me personally

[neon gust]

i mean the sentry one its funny

[soft crater]

looks at genshin flashlight

[neon gust]

we cna allow that one

😉

[ocean spindle]

is fun but dammit when i had to finally complete r2c2 of course it had to b with a sentry on a wall

[neon gust]

ayo why the sniper sentry upside down!!

[weary mesa]

Most mods made by Localia are cringe

[lone mortar]

which ones

i never notices

[weary mesa]

Everything other than mod list

So I can know who is cheating

[modern ibex]

If it doesn't let me attach the sentry to my chest and carry it around like a baby bjorn then it's trash

[neon gust]

fr fr no cap

[dry pumice]

Is putting resources into a locker a QoL thjng?

[weary mesa]

No

[dry pumice]

Why not? It solves the annoying issue of "I want to carry that" - "oops, sorry, already picked it up... We can trade it later"

[weary mesa]

Reactors become a joke

[tardy ingot]

it does make it easier
its not what id call cheating tho (even tho it probably fits the description)

[weary mesa]

You can stockpile resources for certain long scans

[modern ibex]

Honestly you should be able to combine resources anyway. It's kind of silly and immersion-breaking that I can't add two more glowsticks to my stack of 10 or move some ammo/medical supplies from one bag to another

[weary mesa]

game is supposed to be obtuse

[modern ibex]

I mean, why though? There are plenty of challenging elements in the game that can be emphasized without making it obtuse

That's just a personal preference thing though, and obviously the game is balanced around how consumables/kits work currently

[ocean spindle]

resource managment its an important part of this game, if it presents to u 3 ammopacks with 2 uses each u should b able to know how to manage em all, instead of just combinin em, and it would b broken way too fast too carryin around 6 uses everywhere

we had this convo already KSMDKM

not too long ago

[dry pumice]

I have to capitulate on this one - this is literally just the game intentionally putting sticks to wheels to be "harder"

[ocean spindle]

u have to capitalism?

[modern ibex]

LOL

[neon gust]

it does not fit the description

[dry pumice]

Add the "hold to pick up" to that list too. Such an annoying mechanic, especially with how much loves to break the link and reset the progress because I moved slightly

[neon gust]

maybe your own

[modern ibex]

Personally I think that if you're in a situation where you can fill a pack to the brim with ammo, kyou either managed your ammo well enough that you deserve it, or the ammo spawns are too generous.

[dry pumice]

Some game design is just better, sorry.

[neon gust]

They assume your always using your resources

[modern ibex]

Fully agree that it would be busted with the way the game is currently balanced though, no argument there

[neon gust]

not really saving them too much

thats why bots always give anything below 80%

event tho you dont want that

[tardy ingot]

the thing with stacking packs is that is basically doesnt help newer guys but makes it incredibly easy and broken for vets to stack huge packs at all times

[neon gust]

devs assume your always conssuming and spending resources

[ocean spindle]

i think thats cause theres so much that can b used with E in this game, it just shows u so u can decide if that its what u want to do, like openin a locker with a medikit in hand, it needs to b sure which one are u doin

[neon gust]

true this

seeing new people trying to stack resources for 20 min in a locker

only to die because theyre actually not rpepared

its kinda poetic

[ocean spindle]

i mean R1C1, wouldnt it be so incredibly easy to just, have 70 6 use ammo and tools in the reactor room? that would just make the runnin time between rounds do absolutely nothin

[modern ibex]

Yeah, we had this convo the other day and I agree. Like I said, busted in the current iteration of the game, but I still maintain that as a general mechanic it's goofy that you can't combine resources that could be easily combined

[ocean spindle]

u just go down, oh 6 use

lets keep going

[tardy ingot]

beginner "I HAVE NO AMMO"
runs around with 90% in shotgun and a 4 use ammo pack

[modern ibex]

FWIW R1C1 should be "easy" since it's the very first holdout mission most people will play, but personally I would argue that the waves/combat/positioning should be the challenging aspect, not just running to packs

[tardy ingot]

then when questioned says
"shotgun only has like 25 bullets rn tho" and "i cant use the pack in combat i would die"

[neon gust]

that stream i watch in wich my man had 0% heavy smg and like 90% veruta

hurts my soul

[tardy ingot]

i mean its already easy as is

but stacking packs removes 1 of the 2 challenges

[modern ibex]

I watched someone do a VR showcase where they literally only used their pistol and ran it dry while everyone died before ever shooting their HAR, it gave me chest pain

[ocean spindle]

i mean then R4E1, supposed to be hard
idk a lot about the level but ||u sneak through the first few zones to get to a code, u combine a 6 use ammo, u bring it back, and automatically all the choosin and searchin of resources goes out the window too||

spoils if u

dont know it

which fair

[modern ibex]

I have not played it yet, thanks for the spoiler tag

[neon gust]

average vr player

[ocean spindle]

yeah no worries i hate spoils

[modern ibex]

They also played it sitting down, which as a VR enthusiast took 10 years off my life

[neon gust]

vr players want every game to be vr, just like when nintendo switch came out, everybody wanted theyre game to be ported there even tho the machine clearly cannot run it

they just dont know when to shut up

eh i played payday 2 vr

it was fun

[modern ibex]

It seemed okay, thought about trying that one but it's old as sin now

[neon gust]

vr its just a novelty for me

so when i see people asking for vr i just kinda

[dry pumice]

To be honest: I'm fine with supplies not being stackable. But fucking glowsticks man, come on

[neon gust]

your gonna love that level

[tardy ingot]

theres only a few games where VR is an insane gamechanger (but only for immersion, rarely for gameplay)

[modern ibex]

That's honestly a bit of a shame. There are some really incredible experiences on VR that I've not found anywhere else. But it's definitely a personal taste thing

[tardy ingot]

like subnautica in VR is crazy to look at

[dry pumice]

Can confirm

[neon gust]

yeah pretty much

but the vr community trying to shove vr everywhere kinda stupid

i aint gonna lie

[modern ibex]

I feel that. I think we all just want more VR games and there just really aren't that many actual GAMES

[neon gust]

some game just dont need vr

like gtfo gameplay its fast when its fast

like everytime i see a vr player on twitch of gtfo

its 3 guys tring to carry him

anyhow, resource stacking kinda broken

[modern ibex]

Yo but let me add two more glowsticks to my pile PLEASE I am BEGGING you

[neon gust]

if the game was more balance around having to stay in a place for A LONG period of time

wich in this game its not really that crazy since everything its in reach

then i can see it happening

i think them fixing chargers punching

or just the enemies melee in general

would be a better qol than stacking resources

because that actually gets people killed

[modern ibex]

Yeah I mean stacking resources would also be a genuine balance change

Like D4RK was saying, stuff like R1C1 is legitimately tuned around having to run to get resources

[compact junco]

I made a steam discussion talking about the characters voicelines and how they should re add them (as an option some players can use if they want) and the steam discussion was deleted or removed...

like tf happened is the steam forum communist russia?

[neon gust]

when did you did that post

[compact junco]

just yesterday, completely within guidelines

[neon gust]

it literally got move to suggestions and feedback

also the only voice line they ever removed i think was the "this place its big" line

[compact junco]

steam just told me it was "removed or deleted"

[neon gust]

some voicelines are programmed in or depends if your hosting with that character and such

[compact junco]

if you look in gtfo wiki theres tons of unused voicelines like when they see the recordings of their past being explained in the interrogations

[dry pumice]

Characters no longer comment on their lore logs in R5A2

[neon gust]

they never did

[winged turtle]

"ROOoom, BIIiig."

[neon gust]

even back in og r5a2 they didnt

[dry pumice]

Oh?

Well,thats lame

[compact junco]

theres alot of other voicelines like when theyre out of ammo or something, just varius things

[neon gust]

you talking to an old guy here my man

there is a mod that adds them back

it can get quite annoying since some of the time it just repeats too much

specially for your teammates

[compact junco]

thats why i asked about re adding it as an option

devs hate people modding the game and it is an inconvenience

[neon gust]

no theyre not

that khepri video really did a number on these new people

[compact junco]

breh?

havent even seen a khepri video

[neon gust]

they dont hate modding

[compact junco]

everyone ive talked to said otherwise but ok, still an inconvenice, i still cant install it

just saying would be nice to have it as an option in the base game

if theyre telling a story which they are it would be nice to have more character development

[neon gust]

1 i dont know who said that to you nor do i care because its wrong
2- make sure to follow the instalation process

[compact junco]

oh well i was plunging my arse but i guess ill follow the installation process now thanks 😂

[neon gust]

for number 1 yes

for number 2 you might be missing a step

[compact junco]

still dont see whats wrong with re adding it to the base game with an option to turn on/off

[neon gust]

theyre literally just waiting to readd all the rundown

before we get anything new or fixes

[compact junco]

yeah i know

[neon gust]

its not that simple neither

[compact junco]

thats g00d

[neon gust]

you dont

[compact junco]

oh i dont?

oh tell me all big man cause apparently my mind is an open book for you to write in

[neon gust]

you got a big ass forehead

[compact junco]

ive been told already they finishing the rundowns thats good, nothin wrong with making suggestions now they can follow up on later

[compact junco]

better for you, now you can fill it with all sorts of information I supposedly dont know!

[neon gust]

use the mod

delete the gtfo api

that might be the issue

[neon gust]

if i could i would, so you dont go out spreading missinformation

because thats my job

[ocean spindle]

now ur just being unpleasant

[compact junco]

valid

[neon gust]

dont care

[ocean spindle]

the voicelines did get removed, at least some of em, or at least some got very dialed down to only appearing very few times

[ocean spindle]

i think they did, but it got funked with the alts

[neon gust]

nah r5a2 reaction to the audio log was never in there

it was in the game files

but they didnt react at all

because they dont really have the technology to actually make the character saay that

you can only play sounds by ingame events

[compact junco]

i mean wether it was previously there or not, the option for more charcter voicelines to build on them would be cool

[neon gust]

like opening doors and such

[compact junco]

but fr Bishop needs some work he is more murderous than Woods

[neon gust]

we know

[ocean spindle]

oh now u know

[neon gust]

trust me we where sad back in og r5

[ocean spindle]

like the website

[neon gust]

i do know

i was there

[ocean spindle]

idk about that

i traveled in time i didnt see u

[neon gust]

just because im an asshole doesnt mean i dont know !

[lone mortar]

"im running on fumes here" - Woods (low on ammo)

[ocean spindle]

seems like u dont know

[modern ibex]

Why is it that I see a lot of players just type in “e_(number)” instead of “zone_(number)” on the terminals? Is it just shorthand? I thought they were using the room designation or something but I can’t find any documentation about it

[compact junco]

"The lord hates an empty chamber" or something like that

[neon gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKuJeWCutL4

i was there

[ocean spindle]

E is just a shortcut, cause ZONE, ONE, NE, E
it does the same thing

its just to not type the entire thing

[ocean spindle]

virus

[neon gust]

that gets said when you out of ammo and recieve an ammopack

it happens in the vanilla game

[modern ibex]

Oh weird, I thought you HAD to type out zone to get a list for a specific room. That’s great, that’ll save a good bit of time, thanks!

[compact junco]

I've played every single rundown and I've never heard it is my luck seriously that bad?

[neon gust]

the checkpoint coicelines are super funny

[compact junco]

every single rundown multiple times cause I suck at the game lol

[neon gust]

congrats me too

i did

[fierce walrus]

voicelines only play on bots

[neon gust]

havent heard it in a while because i dont run out of ammo

[fierce walrus]

not on players

so woods voicelines require host to dc

[modern ibex]

What a chad

[neon gust]

ammo balancing its serious buisseness

always have 20% in there for emergencies

[compact junco]

why use guns when you can beat them to death with a baseball bat

[neon gust]

you never know when a giant will appear

[jagged shore]

Ooc what level do ||corrupted uplinks|| get introduced?

[neon gust]

r5c3

[winged turtle]

ya the List function searches based on exact matches and the three fields it seaches for are

1. exact name
   ex: Medipack_246
2. category
   ex: Resource
3. location
   ex: Zone_135

so "list zone_135 Resource" can be abbreviated to "List e_135 es"

[neon gust]

use list u e_xxx

and be done with it

i think everything but herbs and some other gather item

doest get recognize

[jagged shore]

List u has made me so much happier
I refuse to do e_xxx but u is very good

[winged turtle]

true! "U" includes the categories of Resource (tool, ammo, medi, dis), Security(keys, others, third thing), and Unknown (fog turbine, others)
basically everything you could care about besides IDs lol

[neon gust]

yep

[past mesa]

Real players list U ###

Then use their brain to filter

[winged turtle]

i use macros to type in the full commands

[jagged shore]

i refuse to use anything that could have extras lol

[past mesa]

Honestly I understand but based on how probability works. If you list a zone 416 as number 416 if you see medipaxk_416 it isn’t in 416 would be really unlikely

[jagged shore]

yeah but it takes me like an extra .5s to type zone_ and it makes me feel better lol so i just refuse to

[craggy pier]

very chad, redpilled of you fr

[steel haven]

Sooo newbie here...how do I go about finding people to play the game with? I read over matchmaking and am still a little confuzzled. I wanna be able to play with other players and not bots, and get help from others that I can actually talk to. Do I just go to matchmake and see who joins or what do I do?

[fierce walrus]

ingame matchmaking is dead, most people use discord lfg channels

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[craggy pier]

#lfg-beginners is your go to for now

[craggy pier]

ive never tried it before and i heard that you get chinese players and some supe duper skilled players

[fierce walrus]

huh

interesting

[craggy pier]

CTFO

Chinesethefuckout

[steel haven]

So do I make a lobby and then wait for others to join the lobby? I'm still a little confused

[craggy pier]

you can do that or join someone's lobby

[fierce walrus]

you make a lobby and a post in discord lobby code, what level, vc (if you are using one)

[steel haven]

Gotcha

[neon gust]

i would say very unnecesarily toxic

[craggy pier]

if u wanna join someone copy the code they post and wait, a red button will show that says join (user)

[craggy pier]

ill take it

[steel haven]

gotcha gotcha. sorry about that, was a little slow

[craggy pier]

sallgood

[past mesa]

There is a cool down for the possibility of a rare voice line is at least 20 mins

And specifically the ammo line only plays if you ping the ammo pack not the box which is hard to have happen.

[solemn flint]

uhmm

i would like to apply for 1 jish carried game, where do i submit the form?

[past mesa]

stalk me on gtfo na.

works for some people

[solemn flint]

i dont have time for that=((

[past mesa]

thank god

-1 stalker lets goo

winning

[solemn flint]

thats why i want to submit the form to get carried

also stalking for a player to post lfg is weird

[fierce walrus]

stalking in general is weird

not just in discord

[winged turtle]

truth

i get stalked in general chat, no me gusta

[solemn flint]

how

no like for real, how

stalk in a chat

[civic wave]

General chat is full of weird people and creatures

[solemn flint]

how can you stalk in a chat?

[winged turtle]

yes, most are nice tho

[winged turtle]

they be lurkin

[solemn flint]

jish

[past mesa]

yes

what level do oyu need

[solemn flint]

thats jishy

i do saw that

[past mesa]

saw waht

[solemn flint]

ammong us montage

[winged turtle]

oh! like this actually
#gtfo-related-questions message

[past mesa]

oh you saw my among us montage where i fragged out

Based you should know i am a top 10 gaslighter

[solemn flint]

[past mesa]

top 3 imposter in hit game among us competivitve game play

[winged turtle]

nice, which color do you main? i main Blue in nMUngoos

[past mesa]

purple

mainly because i wanted to be a fully rounded player

[solemn flint]

[past mesa]

little bit of red little bit of blue

[soft crater]

Black

"Yall ganging up on me just because I'm black"

[past mesa]

that is a good defense but it is elo inflated

[soft crater]

Red hides blood stains

[winged turtle]

despite the defense you still get vented(? spaced? vacummed? ejected?) more often statistically

[past mesa]

you are top teir among us is incredibly racist like all high elo matches in every game

[winged turtle]

i am agamer, i maximize EVERY advantage, regardless of morality. i WILL poison a competitor for a chance at a 15$ grocery store giftcard

[craggy pier]

target 🤮

[past mesa]

🐶 📯

[soft crater]

[craggy pier]

🤔

[winged turtle]

[sturdy glen]

we vomit at target here, not racism

[ruby viper]

What is the best weapons to equip a bot?

[past star]

Sniper

[mild bobcat]

What does "SR Sentry" in this booster mean?

**MUTED DEX - SGU-SR

^SR SENTRY DAMAGE [+13%]**

Does it apply to all sentries?

[past star]

Short range

Yes

[mild bobcat]

oooh alright

thank you

[craggy pier]

pdw, hel rev, ar, carbine
har, both mgs

[past star]

You can hover over the “SR Sentry DMG +13%” text and it tells you too

This goes for any booster

[mild bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-gif-25912556

Holy epic, I had no fucking idea lmao

Thanks bro, you are a chad

[past star]

[dry pumice]

Burst Rifle and any of the machine guns

[dry pumice]

To this day despite 400 hours im yet to do this once

[past star]

New gtfo knowledge unlocked. Skill +1

[past mesa]

you gotta love learning new shit

else you will become like me at 1000 hours

and start talking about the invisible gaint head

[dry pumice]

The funny thing is: i heard about this feature like 10 times already, i just forget immediately

[past star]

Useless tech

Just double occiput as client

[soft crater]

Fresh bread = hunger sated+

[urban sleet]

Can I start a lobby and have people still join after starting an expedition?

[sturdy glen]

ye

[covert remnant]

So does that mean I can drop ID code and start playing and hope somebody joins?

[sturdy glen]

yes

including if someone drops out

[covert remnant]

Do people normally wait in lobby for a few minutes or do they just start playing after posting in LFG?

[sturdy glen]

a new person can join

yeah ppl generally wait for full

[ocean spindle]

yeah people usually wait it out

[sturdy glen]

if they have 3 and have been waiting a while they probably start as well

just uhh, keep in mind that the lobby code does change occasionally (I dont know what exactly triggers it)

but you just gotta re copy and paste it

[dry pumice]

There is a small hole in that tactic: there are lurking cheaters / trolls who will join you game without joining the discord VC.
You won't be able to comm with them properly and they'll be playing their own little game.

[civic wave]

I think getting a cheater is quite rare

[covert remnant]

But if host leaves, is there migration?

[civic wave]

yes*

*host migration is in the game but half the time it either doesn't work, or fucks something up

[dry pumice]

High chance it'll just reset the level

[covert remnant]

Ah. Another reason why I generally play with bots cause I have to randomly drop out to deal with life. So probably won't host unless I know I got some time set aside.

[craggy pier]

how would one take out a big sleeper without waking up sleepers around it?

[cold quarry]

multiple of you beat the crap out of it with hammers

[craggy pier]

true

[cold quarry]

from behind, for extra damage

[ocean spindle]

or spears or bats

knifes dont do much unles its the first hit in the back of the head while its asleep

:]

[craggy pier]

ok thanks thats what got me killed last on my last run

[cold quarry]

dont use bats, 4 hits will not take it out

[ocean spindle]

no but u can keep, hittin it

charge hit charge hit charge hit

[dry pumice]

3 guys jump the big guy, 4th guy is on clean up duty

[ocean spindle]

u can also, if u see two very close to eachother u can foam one, and kill the other, but it is wastin a bit of foam

[vague bridge]

on the topic of these guys

how much damage is needed to stagger them

[cold quarry]

dismember them

and it'll stagger them every time

[ocean spindle]

a full charge with bat staggers em too no matter what, tho it is a very short, stagger

[vague bridge]

what about with not a bat

[cold quarry]

break their limbs, only way to get a meaningful stagger

otherwise they just kind of flinch and recover very quickly

[ocean spindle]

:[

[vague bridge]

but how much damage is needed to break the limbs

[sturdy glen]

15 for limb break

[cold quarry]

but the bat breaks them

[sturdy glen]

40 for stagger

but 15 is just raw damage, 40 is stagger damage

[vague bridge]

and a limb break guarantees a stagger right

hold on

does precision multiplier apply on back hits

[civic wave]

...

[cold quarry]

no

[civic wave]

no, back multiplier applies on back hits

precision is head/tumour only

[vague bridge]

okay

now im confused

yesterday i took 92% melee booster and 3-shotted a giant

(knife)

im trying to find the minimum number required to replicate this

[jagged shore]

whered you hit, just back?

occi then back?

[vague bridge]

occi > left arm > right arm

[jagged shore]

was it back of arms

[vague bridge]

yes

[jagged shore]

95 dmg first hit, 21 second and third

5.5 * occi (3) * prec (1.5) * sleeping (2) * booster (1.92)

then the arm hits are back so just 5.5 * 2 * booster

[past mesa]

Has to be sleeping giant occi

[jagged shore]

yeah i did very much assume that it was sleeping
if it wasn't sleeping then idk how you managed it lol

[past mesa]

I mean cos is on an insane track

[sturdy glen]

68% with perfect back damage

tho 50% melee damage on sledgehammer has even stupider breakpoints than normal

[past mesa]

And doesn’t require them being alseep for first hit

[soft crater]

Sleepy bonus

[flint furnace]

Does hosting cause significant performance issues if you’re running bots or are they simple enough it doesn’t matter

[craggy pier]

bots cause no performance issues

[flint furnace]

nice

[craggy pier]

does the blood door to zone 542 always spawn a tank?

[sturdy glen]

what level

r5e1?

[craggy pier]

yes

[sturdy glen]

then yes

(im kinda just assuming cuz idk zone numbers but iirc thats the only blood door on the level so should be correct)

[craggy pier]

yeah its an error alarm as well

[sturdy glen]

it also has chargers, and depending on the contents of the room you might get some bbcs

[vast timber]

Did the older rundowns get reworked? I started with R2 and the maps look familiar but aren't exactly how I remember

[ocean spindle]

yeah some rooms r different

some enemies r new... well none in r2 i think but yes in r1 r3 and maybs r4

[modern ibex]

The ones that say "ALT" got reworked

if I'm not mistaken

[ocean spindle]

yeah

r7 was

always there

as it is

[modern ibex]

Our north star

[vast timber]

Ahhh

Dang

R2 used to be a lot more difficult in my opinion

[ocean spindle]

i mean apart from like some rooms most of it its the same, if not it was nerfed when the original was up, like r2b1

but also the guns r just generally more strong

so that might b it

[modern ibex]

Luckily it seems pretty easy to make the game more difficult for you if you want more of a challenge

[cold quarry]

You also probably played a lot more since

[vast timber]

Yeah I've been looking for bulkheads

And true

I remember that spot on C1 you could jump up to and be invulnerable, in the room right before invisibles spawned the first time

Good times

[ocean spindle]

there arent, any in r2

bulkheads

[modern ibex]

Is the common opinion that boosters actually break the game in good hands?

[sturdy glen]

ye

[ocean spindle]

yeh

[modern ibex]

That's a damn shame. Good to know though, thanks

[ocean spindle]

i mean its ur choice entirely if use em or not

[dry pumice]

I wouldn't say break

[ocean spindle]

i only use the ones i dont want

[dry pumice]

They can triviliase certain parts of certain levels

And it allows your teammates to specialise

[modern ibex]

I do like that you can specialize with them for sure

the limited use of them and the small inventory is a bit off-putting

[dry pumice]

Bringing high Supply Efficiency for example usually solves any potential supply issues in the level. What once was a wipe by "No ammo" is now everyone being at 80% ammo and with some to spare

Bringing 99% infection resist effectively makes you immune to infection and makes you a didicated "fog diver" who can effectively bypass any infectious zones with no issues.

[modern ibex]

There's 99% infection resist boosters?

[cold quarry]

My favorite thing is bringing 100% infection res to a newbies first level with infection and gaslighting the shit out of them

[modern ibex]

Yeah I could see how that would make a map like R3B2 incredibly easy

[dry pumice]

No, there's 60-70% ones and you can stack them with 30-40% ones

[cold quarry]

"What do you mean you're getting infected in the fog?"

[modern ibex]

LMAO

[dry pumice]

And of course there are the more lame boosters

like WTF is even regen speed

[modern ibex]

Could be good with the regen cap increase ones?

[dry pumice]

That is what i found, yeah

[modern ibex]

not as good as just more ammo or damage probably though

[dry pumice]

I brought like 90% cap increase combined with 120% speed increase when near people

[cold quarry]

I'm surprised there's no stamina boosters

[modern ibex]

That's simply not possible with current science. Best I can do is an injection that makes your C-Foam gun shoot more gloops

[dry pumice]

i was effectively immortal when near my teammates and sleepers had to burst me down with multiple combo attacks

[modern ibex]

That's actually insane. It seems like the individual boosters are less of an issue and more the wild bonuses you can stack up to if you stack several of the same

[dry pumice]

Yep

[sturdy glen]

not really but also kinda

most aggressive boosters are just op as fuck

bioscan speed is good at all levels

[modern ibex]

This is obviously an entirely different discussion, but it seems like it would be nice if they worked more like Overclocks in DRG, where they're not consumable, but you can only run one, and the bigger bonus you want the bigger malus you have to take

[dry pumice]

Oh right, bioscan speed

The best booster there is

[sturdy glen]

muted damage boosters can reach stupid breakpoints on a few weapons

[modern ibex]

Yeah that is just crazy strong

[vast timber]

Are thermal scopes even worth it anymore? If they can't see through fog I don't see the point.

[dry pumice]

Solves many a level

With enough of them you can skip out on a wave or two and save ammo that way

[modern ibex]

I believe it, especially on those otherwise-long security doors

Are the muted damage resist boosters worth it? Is <10% DR even doing anything for me?

[sturdy glen]

most of the time no

[cold quarry]

Modern technology is incredible

[sturdy glen]

regen cap is just better

[dry pumice]

yeah, i've never managed to make damage resist booster feel good so far

I guess if you can stack like 25% of resist to melee attacks - you can breakpoint your 20 HP into being 3 strikers bites instead of 2

[sturdy glen]

that equates to a lot more in regen cap tho

[modern ibex]

Yeah, that seems like a bit of a waste. Ultimately I'm trying to decide what boosters to dump and which to stock up on

[sturdy glen]

• regen cap works on projectiles and melee

[dry pumice]

i just delete anything that gives 7% or less

[sturdy glen]

and has negligible downsides on bold/aggressive

(hacking or infect resist)

• no condition

[modern ibex]

Yeah, makes sense

[sturdy glen]

its literally just better

[craggy pier]

i usually throw everything in muted except 10% and higher bioscan speed and provision

[sterile citrus]

Guesing easiest way to farm booster is just blaze R1 maps?

[modern ibex]

I feel like there are specific maps that have a really high density of artifact spawns (R3A3 comes to mind) but I think artifact heat affects how much booster progress you get from actually picking them up?

[sterile citrus]

Correct. Its like 15% per booster I think? at 100% then degrades.

[craggy pier]

i dont like the idea of playing maps just to collect artifacts but if u wanna do it go ahead

[sterile citrus]

My mutes are garbo atm I just wanna emprty them and reload

[craggy pier]

i feel like its a waste of time, if i wanna do it i'd prolly do lfgs that way im also having fun

dont make this game or any other game a chore

[sterile citrus]

Do boosters still count torwards porgression if you fail the mission?

[craggy pier]

yes

so long as you dont exit expedition

[sterile citrus]

Oh cool that I didnt know

[craggy pier]

it shows your booster progress in the death menu

[summer flint]

question is there a cheaper place to get the game then steam (im broke asf and want to play with my friends)

[sterile citrus]

Doubt it I have never seen sales under 30% so I doubt there are keys sites with it lower

[ocean spindle]

wait for the next sale when r6 drops

[craggy pier]

you might find it on some key resellers

not 100% sure

[summer flint]

when's that?

[sterile citrus]

Ya my buddies got it on ALT R5 sell. G2A is at 35. Not terrible

[ocean spindle]

we dont know but like, maybs end of august or somethin
but it is assured a sale drops when a nrw rundown comes up, its like always

[summer flint]

alr thanks

[craggy pier]

Can scouts spawn in alarm door waves?

Either it happened or some how me and my squad missed two scouts

[past mesa]

you missed two scouts

LOL

[craggy pier]

@silent geyser

:/

[sturdy glen]

thats awesome

[sterile citrus]

Good ole spaghetti boys 😛

[whole stone]

Hey folks, just bought the game, does the matchmaking work or should I find a game using the server usually?

Haven't been able to find a group for the first mission and ive been searching a while

[modern ibex]

You should use the LFG system on the discord to find a game if you're not playing solo or with friends. There are just so many rundowns now that it can be pretty difficult to get a match with the in-game matchmaking, sadly.

I think it's uhhhh

.t LFG

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[modern ibex]

the nice part of the LFG on here is that you can specifically find other beginners, or ask not to be carried which is really nice

[white bloom]

Hi all, i just had a question about voice channels. Do we just pick an empty one or do you use an assigned one? (asking cause i don't want to mess things up)

[soft crater]

you can just choose any of the open ones

[white bloom]

ok thanks

[brisk compass]

Anyone know that the WRDN message says when you are supposed to head to the wrdn scan is?

I need it for a short story

//:DECODED WRDN TRANSMISSION

MSGCAT::OBJ.NEW

FIND HYDROSTASIS UNIT HSU_885 AND RETRIEVE A DNA CORE SAMPLE

MSGDEC_STATUS::E_DONE
_TRANSMISSION CHECKSUM 682991419
//:END OF WRDN TRANSMISSION

I know this is what it says as you start a mission (R1A1)

[craggy pier]

#gtfo-lore can assist you

[brisk compass]

ah, thanks

[craggy pier]

Anytime

[fierce nebula]

Jew

[brisk compass]

Explode

[craggy pier]

Oven

[abstract elbow]

Can the enemies hear if I talk in game

Like if I use a soundboard can they hear

[mossy aurora]

no

[abstract elbow]

Damn wasted potential

How does one play rundown 6

[cold quarry]

you wait like two more weeks

or you download it somewhere idk how the process works

[abstract elbow]

What

[cold quarry]

there is a way to play the old rundown 6 but it involves fucking with game files that idk how to do

either that, or you wait like two more weeks for alt:r6 to release

[abstract elbow]

Why would they not let you play it

[cold quarry]

because this game used to have the most insane FOMO imaginable

one rundown at a time, old one gets removed

[abstract elbow]

What’s the funnest rundown to play my man

[cold quarry]

i mean they're all fun esp if youre new

if you are new, id start with 1

[abstract elbow]

I played r1a1 and just played r7a1

I liked r7 because of the checkpoints but idk

[cold quarry]

6 and 7 will be the only rundowns with checkpoints

but the story that 6/7 have will be confusing if you play 7

[abstract elbow]

Should I go to 1 then 2 for the story?

[cold quarry]

the earlier rundowns have. very little direct story

no Schaeffer speaking to you over the intercom

but I do think they're best played in canonical order

introduces you to new mechanics / enemies as you go

[abstract elbow]

Ok

[opal aurora]

can you one tap scouts with presicion rifle?

[mossy aurora]

Yes in the head

[native sun]

The rundowns follow the games development, so earlier rundowns don't have all the enemies/mechanics/objective types/features (e.g. checkpoints) that were introduced later.
This means that the earlier rundowns are a lot simpler, and if you play them in order new stuff will be introduced much, much more slowly. If you start from Rundown 1 you're looking at ~30hrs of playtime before you even encounter the first mini-boss.
If you start at a later rundown then you'll encounter new content much more quickly.

[abstract elbow]

The earlier levels seem so much harder without checkpoints

[brittle mural]

L

[latent obsidian]

Although R1 doesn't have checkpoints the difficulty curve isn't as steep as R7

R7A1 starts off very easy but by C tier its pretty tough

[silver fable]

.t old rundowns

[uneven gulch]

When a new Rundown is release, the old ones are removed. Here is why:

1. System limitations Expeditions are made up of rooms that are put together to make a zone. As they make a new Rundown, there can be system changes that cause how rooms fit together to break things, which means they need to go through and fix those bugs. Things like enemies that lose their AI pathfinding, etc. See point 3 as well.
2. It would divide the playerbase Instead of everyone focusing on the current Rundown, people would be split between multiple of them, making it harder for LFG groups. You can see an example from Bungie with this exact scenario: http://redd.it/5zq8d0
3. The dev team is small They are 9 people and having to maintain older Rundowns would take a lot of time and effort to do. Instead of allowing them to focus on the current + next Rundown, you're forcing them to have to apply bug fixes, weapon balancing, adding new features to older Rundowns.
4. Because of system upgrades old maps get unbalanced and broken I touched on this in the prior points, but the devs can't guarantee things will stay working for past Rundowns when they do updates for new ones, which means if they have older Rundowns available, the community will expect them to provide support for it, which isn't feasible.
5. New fresh content The steam store page makes it clear this is how the game & Rundown system works. New content replaces old content, it keeps it fresh, gives you new features, enemies, weapons, challenges, etc. While older content may be removed, you are getting new content for free. The devs will never charge you for new content, there are no micro transactions, there are no loot boxes, there are no DLC's. You paid for the game, everything else you are getting is for free.
6. Why not just make it available via the "Betas" tab Same thing as point 2. It would still cause the playerbase to be split too much.

[abstract elbow]

R7b1 was pretty easy then we died right at the end

[native sun]

95% of the information in that command is outdated

[silver fable]

That's what the old rationale was for removing the prior rundown before adding the next, anyway

[silver fable]

yeah but it explains why they used to do what they did with the rundown system

then they backpedalled on that policy, decided to declare the game basically feature-complete, and started adding back the old rundowns

[abstract elbow]

Why don’t they like update the old rundowns and add checkpoints or other new stuff

[silver fable]

they've added a few new things here and there

[native sun]

They added some of the new enemies to some of the old levels, and tbh it just comes off kind of weird

[silver fable]

apparently not adding checkpoints to the old rundowns as they remastered them was an authenticity choice or something

[abstract elbow]

I feel like when I go back to them it will be so much harder without the checkpoints

And just not as fun

[silver fable]

A lot of the earlier levels are shorter than r6/r7 levels

the exception being r4/r5 levels generally

[native sun]

Then it sounds like you'll enjoy R7 more (and R6 when it re-releases)

[silver fable]

the checkpoints also will get less generous as you move further into r6/r7

the main exception being story levels

especially in r6

[abstract elbow]

Yeah we couldn’t beat r1b1 so we started doing r7

[latent obsidian]

Once you clear R7B3 it would probs be easier to go back to R1B1 😅

[silver fable]

so probably many of the levels further into r7 will have spacing between checkpoints that's comparable to the entire length of many r1/2/3 levels

[abstract elbow]

We are just kinda jumping around because we don’t care about the story and just want to beat the levels that we can and slowly get better

[native sun]

That's an excellent way to do it

[silver fable]

that's probably the real correct order in which to play the rundowns as a beginner

[abstract elbow]

Ok

[silver fable]

one of the problems some more recent rundowns had is a lack of accessible beginner content to get better on

so they'd get hard stuck on c1 or something and have no unfinished business in easier tiers to get better on

now you have quite a bit of A/B tier content across all rundowns in which to improve, so I'd take advantage of that

rather than feeling pressure to finish all of r1 before starting r2, all of r2 ( r2e1) before starting on r3, etc

[abstract elbow]

Yeah once it gets really hard in the rundown we are doing we will prolly go to another one for a little while

[latent obsidian]

based

[silver fable]

also, story delivery is so scattershot that it's more the sort of thing the community pieces together after the fact from lore logs, etc

there's kind of a loose narrative through the r6 and r7 story levels I guess?

[abstract elbow]

Yeah I was worried about the story but we just kinda figured we would figure it out and didn’t care

[silver fable]

but I wouldn't worry too much about it

[abstract elbow]

Alright thanks

[native sun]

Prior to Rundown 6, GTFO didn't have very much of a linear story so much as it had environmental world-building. The 'story' was delivered through small lore drops, found on logs in the in-game terminals, however, these logs only gave tiny slivers of information, and it was up to the players to piece together what they thought had happened.

You can play any of these levels in any order, and you wouldn't be getting things 'out of order' because there isn't really much of an order.

And then R7 you can only really play in order, so that's not going to be out of order anyway

[tardy ingot]

r1b1 is easier than all of r7 but a1 btw

[tardy ingot]

thats a good way to approach it. Story is only rly noticeable in r6 and r7 anyhow

[silver fable]

hm, this might be a bit of a vet take though

I could see new teams being mega intimidated by the giant rooms and whatnot

[tardy ingot]

intimidated yes

but its not difficult in execution. The biggest hurdle is actually using the terminal

r7b1 has a 1 room away spawn alarm. Multiple scouts (at once possibly) and a tscan that somehow screws over beginners 9/10 times

r1b1 is arguably as easy as r1a1

difference is it needs terminal usage and some stealth vs a tougher alarm

[icy cave]

The real problem with R7 is that new players think: "it has checkpoints, so it must be easier" which is such a false sense of security

[silver fable]

r7 hard, you heard it from dj here

in all seriousness they'll typically get booted out by r7c1 at the latest

imo the new player experience fluctuates so much in terms of what they can take and what breaks them, that none of our "this rundown's levels are more difficult on average thaan that rundown's levels" applies

[icy cave]

M8 you still spilling nonsense

[silver fable]

lol, couldn't resist

associating r7 with a false sense of security is just one of the edgier things I've heard around here in a while

[icy cave]

It's based on watching countless new players venture in R7 thinking they have a chance just because of the fact it has checkpoints. And it's only that factor they take into account.

[icy cave]

1v1 me

[dry pumice]

That's just checkpoints doing their job - giving people a sense of security and confidence, so they can experiment a little bit and only get reset like 20 minutes back instead of 120 how it often happens these days

[sacred dew]

Wait what? which alarm is that?

[modern ibex]

Speaking of getting reset back 120 minutes, how is one meant to deal with the second half of R3D1? The amount of high tier enemy spawns behind the alarm door is already nuts, and then there's both a major threat and a blood door? I genuinely don't think I have the ammo to pull everything but it doesn't seem really feasible to sneak past either.

I love the first part but man it really does feel like it should be two separate missions

[mossy aurora]

2nd alarm. they can spawn from the room you get the cell in

[hardy grotto]

Games too easy if you struggle with anything you suck LOL I’m so good at this game guys please validate me

[hardy grotto]

You def have the ammo, there’s so many resources in that level

[modern ibex]

I think my weapon choices might be causing my ammo issues. I typically take DMR + Shotgun/Machinegun, but I opted for a Sniper given the amount of bigs in the level. It's really good during the first section, and well-suited for taking out the scouts later, but I just don't have a good answer for all the chargers and the sheer volume of critters

[hidden ridge]

cscouts die from Shotty to the back or Choke to the whatever just spam it IIRC

And they're both decent (Shotty is actually REALLY good) at killing moms

And decent at killing big guys anyway

You can get away with stealth killing most of the "part 2" rooms btw unless you play with bots

[modern ibex]

Yeah, maybe I ought to try pump again. one-shotting the bigs is hugely helpful with the sniper but I just run dry during the charger section

[icy cave]

you have more ammo than you need by miles EDIT: pull the rooms, stealth is a waste of time on these rooms

[modern ibex]

I'm playing solo so I can't kill the Hybrids stealth, if I'm not mistaken

[hidden ridge]

100% solo I dont think so

With bots you can

[icy cave]

You got the ammo for it

[modern ibex]

Yeah, maybe I just need to dial in my shooting

Being able to bring a main damage stim every attempt would be HUGE so I could one-tap all the smalls, but that's just not realistic

[modern ibex]

If I decide to swap out my Sniper for a Pump, is there a good way to pull these? I would typically opt to snipe the scout to pull the room, right?

[hidden ridge]

Cscouts die at pump shotty 1 hit close to the back, dont really know HOW MUCH close you need to be but I've tried at little more than hammer range and it works

In any event you'd be kinda fucked in the case the start of the room is littered with BBCs or hybrids, or if the 2 cscouts are in the same room

With that being said, I've no idea about true solo but with bots (or people) you can just pull all of those, scout waves, the whole rooms etc

[modern ibex]

Okay, well It's good to know that the optimal play is to just pull and kill everything. I wasn't sure if I was "supposed" to be stealthing it or something. If the ammo exists to chew through them then I just need to do a better job using it optimally throughout the first part

and probably more importantly, on the mother fight at obj

[hidden ridge]

You CAN stealth kill everything but it ain't fun compared to pulling the rooms and the map gives you a fuckton of ammo, even without counting that after turning error off you can loot everything

[modern ibex]

I'm just trying to beat it at this point. I get my fill of run and gun in the first part - I definitely want to make sure I can get through the last fight and the door without throwing away the whole attempt, haha

[silver fable]

was so tempted to say "hi badger"

[craggy pier]

badger lives on inside us all

[civic wave]

Mr badger was a martyr for our cause, never forget

[silver fable]

like a cancer

[tardy ingot]

I love how its always 20 vs 120 minutes

When

1. most levels dont even take that long (at all)
2. indicates they only wipe at the end vs shortly after checkpoints
3. ignores them wiping on bad checkpoints wasting a lot more time

[tardy ingot]

Its always hard to tell due to you running the thing that makes solo far easier

In a normal run theres basically unlimited ammo. Having 15 uses extra in a 4 man full shooting never melee isnt an exaggeration before that zone

sniper is actually pretty decent at dealing with the hybrids, but honestly the chargers (bbcs specifically) are the problem. You can just run away from hybrids to get time to recover. But bbcs barely give you time

[modern ibex]

Yeah, it's hard to get specific advice for it, and I know it's a touchy topic so I try not to bring it up too much, instead opting for more universal advice.

I think my last attempt had two BBCs in the first room and it just chewed through all my ammo.

FWIW I would really love to start doing some real true solo content, but I just need to get better at the game first

Been reading/watching some solo speedrun content and it's super cool

[lone mortar]

Tyrones

Or shaq

Or Iron Mike

[modern ibex]

They certainly dunked on me

[tardy ingot]

2 bbcs

Usually its like 4-6

tho tbh it shouldnt eat through your ammo

[lone mortar]

Yeah

[tardy ingot]

Full ammo + a 4 or 5 use should be enough to full clear the zone easily

[modern ibex]

That's my problem then, since I'm usually full/near full with only 1 use or so left

So I really need to focus on optimizing my ammo balance prior to that

[dry pumice]

Tell this to mine borderline 2:20:00 5D1 wipe saved by a hair length