gtfo-related-questions

[cold quarry]

exactly ^

r2d1 also feels like the best parts of rundown 2 all in one

[turbid horizon]

Like R5B1EX is a slog bc there is 0 progress

[turbid horizon]

Would be super perfect but alas, spitter bug

[cold quarry]

which one is that

[turbid horizon]

The one that kills your sound and then crashes the game

[cold quarry]

oh jesus

[turbid horizon]

Happens a LOT on that level

[cold quarry]

never had that

[turbid horizon]

yeah I was on extract with the bots on D1 and my game crashed

Was super fucking frustrating

Especially because I really like that level

It’s why I didn’t use spitters when I was making modded levels, I tried it and immediately got sound bugged

[keen valley]

https://twitter.com/crofts/status/1679938679303806976?t=bGzHmsJ1d39Bum4qTjNzzw&s=33

[ocean spindle]

extremely gtfo input

[vague bridge]

why are glowsticks better now??

they turned green and also i can command bot glowies

[craggy pier]

Eh just something to pass time

[winged turtle]

R7 green glowsticks are better, ya

[topaz willow]

can you add someone into your game after you started?

[brittle mural]

Yes

[ivory imp]

Is there any suggested weapons for R1E1? Gave it a go a handful of days ago, we ended up wiping towards run end unfortunately. Wondering if maybe it wasn't a load out issue on my end

[ocean spindle]

R1E1?

u mean D1?

or R2E1?

[craggy pier]

r1ee

[ocean spindle]

r1e8

[winged turtle]

now this! is Modded rundowns!

[ivory imp]

R2E1

[winged turtle]

uh

not bull pup

[ivory imp]

My disappointment is immeasurable

[winged turtle]

sorry :/

[craggy pier]

go for forward cell can be found in zone 615. so you only have to carry 2 items for the most part until you get to the terminal to ping the cell fetch that roll out

[winged turtle]

lots of mains fill a similar role, but better

[craggy pier]

cfoam is good so make sure you kill the error wave have someone pull the surge then close the big door foam and scan, any sentries facing the door will do

after that you can drop the turbine

only need baby

[ivory imp]

I had mine duty last time

[winged turtle]

and secondaries are all pretty good, just not PR and you can make it work

[craggy pier]

dont take mine is whatever for the end portion

better have 2 sentries

[ivory imp]

We were literally like 40/50 meters from extraction last time

[craggy pier]

they can trickle enemies

[craggy pier]

ah i see

[ivory imp]

It was tragic

[craggy pier]

you need to funnel the enemies to the bottom door of the last surge and foam and sentry all you got there

[winged turtle]

the trick with this, and most errors, are running forward fast enough to save the doors for funneling that you want

[native sun]

My honest suggestion from a lot of clears in pubs is not to bring C-foam. C-foam is definitely very powerful on the level but it requires you to save the doors that you want to foam, this can require riskily pushing forward ahead of the team, through enemies, in order to open the door before error breaks it. It also requires just knowing which doors to save, which you likely won't be very familiar with while going for you first clear.

My suggestion is double burst sentry + mines. On each of the final two surges you just plonk the double sentry down at the entrance doorway and they make everything incredibly manageable.

[long flint]

Hey question, me and my friends have been trying to do R2B4 but one of my friends cant load in with us for some reason, the moment the drop finishes it dc's him back to the main menu, we've tried verifying files, making him the host, uninstalling and reinstalling, and choosing different equipment but nothing seems to work

the other rundowns are fine its just that level

yall have any ideas?

[ocean spindle]

theres report of this issue in #1049599987878723635
maybs u can find somethin there

[long flint]

gotcha tyty

[ocean spindle]

the one at the very bottom seems like

its the oldest one so maybs that

[ivory imp]

They may have to do that one solo, that's what I had to do

[long flint]

damn it'd be a shame if that's the case

[ivory imp]

From what I understand it's a weird hardware bug

But read the report in the channel cuz I'm not 100%

[vague bridge]

can i play gartic phone in lfg channels is that allowed (say yes)

[ocean spindle]

i mean they arent like LFG VCs they just say GTFO-Number........

theres is also the mixed sizes

[eternal portal]

What do the tiny red dots on the bio tracker mean? Not the large red moving ones like scouts, they're stationary and just sleepers, but they're not the normal white bubbles, just red dots

[winged turtle]

that is red dot glitch. exactly like regular dots white and red, except you can't ping them if they are glitched and moving

[past mesa]

They are rage induced sleepers who are in pingable and they deal more damage

Sometimes they will scream and lose their rage

[dusky tiger]

Cfoam,double sentries,and bio is what my team ran

I know im extremely late but ;p

Not even that many doors to foam
Ladder foam
Ladder foam and double burst for the first fog hell room surge

[lone mortar]

The “floor”

[sturdy glen]

everyone purposefully did not mention ladder foam 😃

[lone mortar]

Yo chill

R4D2 ?

[sturdy glen]

ill pass

[lone mortar]

How bout R7D2

[sturdy glen]

much better level but still nah

[lone mortar]

Not feeling it today?

[sturdy glen]

kinda yeaah

[lone mortar]

Try Ultrakill/Trepang2

[sterile citrus]

Both bangers ^

[lone mortar]

Instant dopamine

[past mesa]

ladeer foam is the new door bug

[sturdy glen]

already finished ultrakill

dont think ive heard of trepang2

[lone mortar]

P-rank P-2?

[sturdy glen]

nah

thats the one thing I havent done cuz I hate the gauntlet

(I did the gauntlet on release and was disappointed and havent done it since)

[lone mortar]

P-1 difficulty ramp

P-2 difficulty ROCKET

[sturdy glen]

not even

its just cybergrind

[lone mortar]

Cybergring is fun

Basically charging into a ring full of endless potential plays

But i like to just destroy P-2 in like 4mins

[sturdy glen]

I touch the game to beat up minos and sisyphus for an hour or 2 and then stop

thats bout it

[lone mortar]

Yup

Bully Gabe

[sterile citrus]

Question. I've watched a few T-Nenpi videos and other players it seems like their fog is really able to be seen through way better than my game. My shits like a green brick wall even with the long range flashlight. Any ideas?

[lone mortar]

Lower fog quality

And

If you dont just walk in and smoke the fog

It wont be a brick

[past mesa]

flash lights can sometimes hurt

[lone mortar]

The fog literally fuck you up and flashlight dont work cause the lighting already did

Trust jish

For our lord and savior “Jishsus” Christ

[sterile citrus]

https://youtu.be/wbYugg4FU3A?t=3371 Ya like mine looks nothing like this.

Is it just the level?

That's like clear as day.

[lone mortar]

Yup

[sterile citrus]

Word. I was wondering.

[past mesa]

This is the level

All fog is different

[sterile citrus]

Makes more sense now.

[lone mortar]

Suggest having > 100 infection resistant

[sterile citrus]

Lol ya, I saw he had it for this once shits sillly

[lone mortar]

But you come in with infection already

Thats why you cell skip

[sterile citrus]

I gotta wait to get there 😛 My group got to R4D1 today. Almost 1st tried it.

Going into that one blind was fun

[lone mortar]

Any level goin blind is fun

First time R3D1/R7D2 was dopamine receptors being blown at full blast

[sterile citrus]

We should just start some R7's Ive heard their good. Just skip b/w the acts.

[soft crater]

[lone mortar]

Chat dead

[keen slate]

quite surprised at the ability of pump sg to wipe everything on a choked point
Yeah I know “duh ofc it a sg lol” but it did so well that i was impressed when it saved my ass back when someone woke a mom lol

sometime you learn something by trying new stuff

[lone mortar]

It is a door kicker

[hidden ridge]

I like shotty a lot, very versatile

[wintry kayak]

this out of context and without knowledge of gtfo

sounds sarcastic

[hidden ridge]

I'm feeling confused a bit in two chats now

😄

[next socket]

What 3 turrets y'all taking in to R5C3?

[lone mortar]

I dont take turrets

I take foam

4 foams

[next socket]

Yeah but telling bots to foam Zzzzz

[ocean spindle]

the true loadout

[lone mortar]

Committing war crimes by filling the world with foam

[soft crater]

all they need is a little bit of foam

or just 4 male prisoners shooting out foam onto 1 target

[copper fog]

is it still possible to get certain cosmetics like masks or shaders that were only able to be acquired in fall or halloween of last year,

?*

[ocean spindle]

hello, no dont think so, they were limited
some are now in the pool tho i think, so u can get em like by normally finishing missions, but im unsure which ones

ik the cammo gear and the praesidio backpack are still unobtainable tho

[soft crater]

commando set / Crimsons Grit palette / Lunar new year mask / Kovac Backpack / Onyx color palette

Red R7E1 mask

[dry pumice]

Event exclusives no, they're probably not coming

Everything else is freegame

[hidden ridge]

I'm curious, Lugubrious IS or IS NOT obtainable as of now?

[icy cave]

as far as I am aware its not available

[soft crater]

It's tied to R6 objectives

10 mains

which is stupid imo because the release of X expeditions made it way easier to obtain

[sturdy glen]

im betting they dont make an r6 mask and just have the pallet for completing all mains

[soft crater]

R6 already has a mask

Twin blade

well

it's from completing extension specifically

[fallow dove]

Hi all. Not so new, but not recently GTFO player. Quick question. Is rundown 1 easier than 2, and 2 easier than 3 and so on? Or is that strictly just used for a reference of release? I know they're more difficult the further down in the rundown and so on.

[sturdy glen]

its technically only releases but it mildly follows that

they do get more complex and get new mechanics because they were released later, which kinda translates to difficulty as well

[fallow dove]

Makes sense, I started playing during what seems like 7, but I think at the time it was the only option? But getting back into it and seeing all of the rundowns now available.

[sturdy glen]

ye, just waiting on 6 and then were done with rereleases

[icy cave]

ez to hard : R1 -> R3 -> R2/R6 -> R7 -> R4 -> R5

[fallow dove]

Thank you!

[craggy pier]

Hey, I'm curious about the decisions to make certain aspects of the game as "on/off" mechanics rather than something gradual.

For example doors can be either closed or open, but not in-between.

Enemies being alerted in the rooms all at once instead of based on distence - say I fire a gun and kill one of them from a certain distence it's either none or all that get allerted.

Certain enemies having only "on/off" systems as well, like dealing damage to scout at a wrong time makes him completely invulnerable, being overly punishing with little choice on how it could be approached to deal with it.

Similar thing with enemies who scream to alert others, seem to alert the whole room - even if it's in cornered in a small corner far off on it's own.

[icy cave]

enemies can get partially pulled, you just did not find out how (by shooting) the rest is correct and is meant to be that punishing

[craggy pier]

Yes, but the doors? Seems like it would provide more versitility.

[sturdy glen]

how so

[icy cave]

explain?

[stark lotus]

well constructed list but I wouldve put r7 above r4

[craggy pier]

Half-open door -> can shoot through while preventing them from crawling through. While also allowing the smaller ones who shoot, to shoot at the players as well.

It would create more interesting encounters.

[icy cave]

nah too OP.

[stark lotus]

agreed

[craggy pier]

Not necessarily, can be balanced.

[stark lotus]

anything other than crawling shooters wouldnt pass by

[icy cave]

and it would make it in fast situation a complete shitshow of hopening a door and not by mistake having it hgalf way open

[latent obsidian]

Basically sounds like safespotting which already kinda exists and is considered cheese

[sturdy glen]

there is also just

mine deployer

[icy cave]

this tbh

[craggy pier]

Currently a bunch of mechanics feel cheap and overly simplistic - defending them with "it's supposed to be this punishing" feels like a way to avoid doing more creative design.

[sturdy glen]

or you can shoot through the cracks in the door if you really want to

I dont get how any of it feels cheap

I could feel doors being simplistic cuz theyre kind of a buggy mess

[icy cave]

I don't get whats punishing about a system where you mine the door and the whole wave is gone.

anyways

[craggy pier]

I don't mind punishing or difficult gameplay, I just think it could be done in a way to provide more options for the players on how they could approach things and make encounters more unpredictable and interesting.

[craggy pier]

That part isnt' punishing, it's just very repetitive.

[icy cave]

having possibility to have a door halfway would change nothing to repetitiveness

[sturdy glen]

youre either shooting or mining them either way

yea ^

[stark lotus]

thats the reason bloody doors exists

[sturdy glen]

the other stuff you mentioned has some nuance to it that you can abuse

[craggy pier]

It would provide alternative paths of dealing with enemies behind the door. Not entierly a fan of having just one meta to play through the game.

Currently as the game is, if you don't play exactly the way devs intended - you'll struggle to get through levels. There are ways to make the game challenging without locking it down to one playstyle.

[sturdy glen]

the way the devs intended

cfoam on the floor bois

[icy cave]

close door or funnel, you have a choice

[stark lotus]

r7b3 vibes

[craggy pier]

lmao

[icy cave]

Like having a door halfway would change nothing

also how would it interact with foam ?

[latent obsidian]

Having the door halfway open the ones that can't fit through bash through it at normal speed, yes?

[craggy pier]

Like it does same way, the point is not to be able to stop the door from closing half way. Rather it would stop at whichever point you'd foam it at if you do it before it completely closes.

[stark lotus]

this is right. like can only giants would hit them or would it take 4 or 5 bubbles and so on

[latent obsidian]

So either:
The door breaks after like 5 seconds and then you are funneling like usual anyway
or
You cfoam the door to stop it breaking while getting shot by the small enemies on the other side (???)

[icy cave]

anyways. you have an opinion and thats great. I got mine. we can agree to disagree

[hidden ridge]

I feel like certain discussions are kinda pointless tbh

[icy cave]

and then you permafoam but with a worse set up

yeah

[craggy pier]

Yeah and you can shoot back. The point is not to make the game easier, but to create more unpredictable and interesting situations.

[hidden ridge]

Since they'd require shit to be rewrote from the ground up

[stark lotus]

diversity of options is a great sign

[craggy pier]

Maybe. Had to try

[sturdy glen]

opening doors when most of the wave is there so you can mine a second time

[craggy pier]

Disappointing.

[latent obsidian]

So you are adding this option so players can impose a more unpredictable and difficult method on themselves?

[craggy pier]

Not always, but yes.

[lone mortar]

[craggy pier]

More options makes for more variety.

[latent obsidian]

I don't think that sounds very worthwhile

I don't think people would choose to do that

[craggy pier]

Why not?

[craggy pier]

They wouldn't have to, it's optional.

Wait for door to close before you foam then.

[icy cave]

unviable options are not really options tho

[craggy pier]

How is it unviable?

[lone mortar]

10C dislike this idea and will not put it in

[icy cave]

like ellda said, its basically the same as a funnel but worse cause theyu stacked up, or a permafoam but worse cause you get shot at

[craggy pier]

Which idea?

[latent obsidian]

^ exactly as Dj said

[lone mortar]

exactly what they just said

[latent obsidian]

I was gonna expand on the stacked up thing cos I didn't mention it before but he got there 🤷‍♂️

[hidden ridge]

Just read that and I've no idea how that'd change anything

giant gets called by alarm he needs to break door, fine

everything else just goes underneat that

so...?

[lone mortar]

just out the window with that i guess

[hidden ridge]

Can't even mine door at that point

[icy cave]

I think its better to see a bit more of the game.

[hidden ridge]

unless I mine really high

but it wouldn't one shot giants without boosters anyway

unless I place two

[craggy pier]

Wouldn't have to, depends how low the door closes.

It's not half, full or none. It would be whenever you foam the door on it's way down.

[lone mortar]

thats...

unhelpful in anyway whatsoever

[latent obsidian]

So can I close the door 95% of the way and then shoot the enemies legs without them hitting me at all?

[icy cave]

I can hear all the angry teammates cussing the foam guy already

[stark lotus]

so Im lost. are you saying if you foam the door while its closing that should make it stop midway?

[craggy pier]

how so?

[woeful kiln]

why would i shoot the legs and foam and waste ammo

[craggy pier]

Sure

[lone mortar]

imagine the giant just pull the door back up

[woeful kiln]

i can just foam and mine ez fix

[craggy pier]

yes

[craggy pier]

Could be you have no mines left, or some other reasons.

[hidden ridge]

I'm curious SPITE, what did make you think this is needed

[lone mortar]

this really makes no sense at all

[icy cave]

the point stays: why would you as foam +mine works better

[woeful kiln]

if you have no mines left big L

[lone mortar]

the door works like a garage door

[woeful kiln]

if you no mines you would probably leave the door open so they don't group up

[craggy pier]

Playing the game and getting annoyed with "on/off" only mechanics in the game and how it was lacking variety in gameplay. It felt repetitive.

[lone mortar]

if its not connected to the end of the door

[latent obsidian]

How many levels have you played?

[lone mortar]

then it has no use at all cause enemies can squeeze through

[woeful kiln]

not to mention that physically if the door is not fully closed it would break WAY easier

[icy cave]

just go and see more of it before making these kinds of ideas

[craggy pier]

Point is to add variety, you don't have to just change the way door works. Could adjust how other mechanics works - but even if you just change the door on it's own, it adds variety and unpredictability to the encounters.

[craggy pier]

Been since the first EA/rundown

[woeful kiln]

if you want variety play modded gtfo

[hidden ridge]

So you can say you got that idea out of Spite

😄

[woeful kiln]

if you've done everything in vanilla

[craggy pier]

no u

[icy cave]

but NO ONE would do it !!!! cause it makes no sense

[latent obsidian]

If you've played all the rundowns I am stunned that you would suggest this

[woeful kiln]

damn doesn't want to add variety to your own gameplay you're missing out 😔

[craggy pier]

In the end, probably. :v

It's not something that came up just now. Me and my friends have been brewing on a bunch of things with this game for a while now.

[lone mortar]

how about

[woeful kiln]

well you can already cross one of them off the list

[lone mortar]

you cook up some new contents for enemies/weapons

[icy cave]

and probably the rest too

[craggy pier]

There are no mods that add mechanics I want and I'm not going to code the game for the devs.

[craggy pier]

What do you mean cook up?

[lone mortar]

just cook

[woeful kiln]

unlucky i'm sure there could be modders that could be interested (the chances are low)

[craggy pier]

[hidden ridge]

Ideas like "a normal striker but when you kill him it'll release a bit of poisonous fog if he was alerted"

That's sensible

[craggy pier]

Game lacks ways to interact with environment, rather than more enemy types or weapons.

[woeful kiln]

you want a real idea?

new sleeper enemy that makes you take damage a certain amount of damage over time but the bleeding can be stopped by using a medkit which makes the use of ressources more complex

[latent obsidian]

More ways to interact with environment is good

[lone mortar]

whatchu mean by this?

i mean

[latent obsidian]

Changing how far you open the door isn't really

[woeful kiln]

i agree that gtfo lack a bit of interacticity with environnement

[lone mortar]

anythin is out of the window rn seeing that 10C wana just throw the game for good and let it die

[sturdy glen]

idk, this game is repetitive in the overall what you are doing, but to me theres a shit ton of nuance in pretty much every part of that overall, so im failing to see the problem

[woeful kiln]

but the door one just uninteresting

[lone mortar]

[craggy pier]

I had to try

[lone mortar]

wait until the conclusion of this game

then theyll add modding into real

[hollow dune]

hi can i ask a quick question?

[lone mortar]

and you can do so much

[icy cave]

how much copium are you on m8 !

[icy cave]

always

[lone mortar]

as create anything to your hearts content

[hollow dune]

is there an official site to buy the game or only on steam?

[icy cave]

steam

[lone mortar]

i mean any platform

but usally steam

[icy cave]

its only on steam bruh

[lone mortar]

is it?

[icy cave]

why you say stuff like thgis

[hidden ridge]

I feel like people would just tank it to 0% then get ressed

[icy cave]

yeah

[lone mortar]

thought it was on xbox as well

[icy cave]

no

[lone mortar]

maybe i forgor

[hollow dune]

i mean... you can buy a key too

[hidden ridge]

Unless you want it to be like inf where it caps to 1% hp remaining

[woeful kiln]

in the middle of a wave? getting downed sucks man
what if you're downed in the middle of a scan?

[craggy pier]

Depends how they will add modding, if say door state as on/off is hard-coded and moding tools will be just "more levels", it might not be that much of an improvement - althoguh that would just be me judging before seeing now.

[hollow dune]

but anyways thanks guys

[hidden ridge]

That'd be interesting indeed

[lone mortar]

bro

[icy cave]

yes that is possible .,.... for steam 🙂

[lone mortar]

have you even touched mods?

[woeful kiln]

and the thing is it's already real 😳

[icy cave]

let the door thing go m8, not gon happen

[hidden ridge]

Yeah my idea is copied from a modded rundown too

[woeful kiln]

if i had nitro i would show the funny L+bleed+bleed+bleed but i don't 😔

[craggy pier]

I'm just using it as an example.

[hidden ridge]

Don't ask me which since I never played any I just watch the lets plays

[woeful kiln]

what was your idea? i'm 2 lazy to scroll up

[lone mortar]

even so

it makes no sense

[icy cave]

he wants farting sleepers

[craggy pier]

Makes plenty sense to me

[hidden ridge]

sleeper but kill while alerted and does inf fog

[woeful kiln]

they already exist in vanilla man

without fart damage tho

[hidden ridge]

I saw it in a gameplay of... maybe lowbei? cant remember, was a modded rundown

[lone mortar]

enemies squeeze through it easily and giants can just pull the door upwards

[craggy pier]

How is that a bad thing?

[lone mortar]

and the doors are touched activated

[craggy pier]

[lone mortar]

so they arent set to just close by a %

open or close your choice

[craggy pier]

Sure

But as I said, it would stop them if you throw foam on it

mid-opening/closing

[hidden ridge]

"It's Rundown 10, and sleepers now can use Guns, they mainly go around with SMGs. Scouts aren't gonna get bonked no more since they carry a burst cannon"

[latent obsidian]

shooter #5 gonna snipe the cfoam man through the gap in the door

[craggy pier]

If you want a gun idea - how about something akin to a stake gun in pain killer or some crossbow that fires piercing metal rods to impale multiple mobs with one shot?

[lone mortar]

R10 is gonna be you all fighting other KSOs

[lone mortar]

maddox POV:

[hidden ridge]

Kinda like HEL Gun I guess

[lone mortar]

Hel weapons POV:

[woeful kiln]

well can't find it but if you watch videos you should check out project zaero he's a pretty good modder check out his rundown "visitor" and "redemption" he also made fatal experiment

[hidden ridge]

Stake gun oneshotted most shit IIRC but Painkiller was a different game

Might argue stake gun didnt need reload but it didnt have the RoF the HEL Gun has

And it had crazy actual trajectory drop off

[craggy pier]

||let me attach mines to my buddies so that one poor fuck could be sent off in to a horde because it's the only useful thing he can do with no ammo||

[lone mortar]

me when no ammo

[woeful kiln]

i usually place a mine on my teammate

on extract

[fierce nebula]

what the hell

[stuck elm]

So what's the deal with bots just randomly not wanting to do scans sometimes? It's uncommon enough to where it doesn't bother me that much, but when it does it's awful. This just botched an R5D2 run with a friend. Is there a fix for this?

[dry pumice]

No idea. No one knows a pattern why they do or dont do that. Probably an AI issue?
The short term solution is to kick the bot out of the game by switching his player slot to CLOSED and then turning him back on once he's needed.

Long term solution... Probably "better bots" mod, although i can't guarantee it fixes that particular issue.

[craggy pier]

the lobby has probably got boned

press escape and see if u have the lobby button or not

happened twice yesterday to me during r5c2

[stuck elm]

The lobby button as in "Return to Lobby?"

[craggy pier]

top left side

should say options rundown lobby

if only options then lobby is dead

there also been some occasions where it happens without lobby going haywire

[stuck elm]

If it disappears, then the lobby is just botched?

[craggy pier]

yes

[stuck elm]

I do use Better Bots and sadly it doesn't fix this issue.

[dry pumice]

Right. Closed player slot it is.

[craggy pier]

if that happens and lobby is gone bots wont reconnect

[stuck elm]

I could've did that but was salty and just quit out lol. Only like 20 mins in though.

That level in particular, I've been trying to do with one other friend and 2 bots. ||If you get a scout spawn in A or B in the respawn zone it's a reset. It just ruins you for 3rd code hunt.||

[past mesa]

how is it if you dont mind me asking

[tall sundial]

hey guys for all the people looking for group in the beginner channel which level is the most noob friendly i should look out for?

[craggy pier]

r1a1

[dry pumice]

Any of the As from any first 3 rundowns

[craggy pier]

rundown 1 is pretty forgiving

[dry pumice]

A1s speciall, yes

[tall sundial]

so R1 and then the earliest letter in the alphabet i can get?

[dry pumice]

Levels tiers basically determine overall difficulty.
A = Easy
B = Normal
C = Advanced
D = Hard
E = Very hard

[tall sundial]

ah thanks seems simple enough 😄

[ocean spindle]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and be sure to do the tutorial first [Training]

[stuck elm]

Most of the level itself really doesn't seem too bad. They just dump everything on you at the end with the ||code hunts.||

||I think 1st and 2nd codes aren't too bad if you have at least 2 players to shoot stuff. Code 3 is tricky because of limited ammo by the time you return to respawn zone. If the charger zone has a bad seed, then that's painful. Sometimes charger scout is in a good spot and you can c-foam it or just shoot it. ||

||It also doesn't help that bots will take resources in reactor and use inefficiently. Generally if there's a hack lock, I'll open it, otherwise, make a mental note of what's in there cause I don't want to fumble with hack locks during timers.||

Overall I think the pressure is put on you hard towards the end with holding waves vs. maintaining ammo supply.

[tall sundial]

i just did the tutorial 🙂 but wdym not to be carried? Doesnt a completion require everyone do stuff?

[craggy pier]

experienced players can play the game faster and better

as a new player take your time to understand the mechanics and general feel of the game

[dry pumice]

Eh, being carried could diminish the enjoyment of clearing a level because it doesn't feel like you did anything.
Some experiened guy walks it, just tells you to go there, do that, put that cfoam there... Boom, you're at the extraction zone and you have no idea wtf the mission was even about.

Not to mention they can just stealth clear rooms all by themselves running around with a hammer like Grog that ate too many elderberries.

[neon gust]

better bots only improves their fighting abilities so you can trust them a bit more to be more reliable

the not entering scans its an issue of the game itself

[stuck elm]

Yeah. I keep hoping that easternunit will update it to fix more issues with bots even though that's a pipe dream and not his responsibility.

[neon gust]

its not that he cant

he doesnt have monobuild

to see the games code for reference

so he's limited on what he can do

devs pls give mono with alt r6

[stuck elm]

Ah, I actually remember you said that in r5 review

[craggy pier]

Making better gtfo 2.0 when

[spare yacht]

sup yall

first time this has happened to me in game

has this occured to anyone else

where a smaall black circle appears and grows

just wwent back to normal but weird

[craggy pier]

Yes people have experienced that

Except some people had it cover the entire screen

[spare yacht]

oh

[craggy pier]

Some also had a water drop that grew

[spare yacht]

oo

[olive robin]

When do we use sliding? what is it for

[past mesa]

long answers nothing really. short anwser slide reloads and it "saves stam"

[soft crater]

You can use it to dodge shooter shots as you sprint towards them.

[cold quarry]

you can reload while sliding?

[soft crater]

Sliding isn't considered sprinting state per say. But fast moving crouched that keeps sprint momentum

[cold quarry]

just surprising this game lets you do that

[soft crater]

Which. You can also shoot while sliding to keep sprint speed rather than slowing down

Which is better if you have like a pump shotgun or something

[wild adder]

hey guys, what weapon should i take with sniper rifle?
also, what should i expect on "secondary" level difficulty?

[cold quarry]

weapons with good uptime/fast reload to compensate

secondary is a mixed bag IMO

[sturdy glen]

secondary is a mix of just level padding, something that is mainly there to adjust main/overload difficulty afterwards, or is what you would expect it to be which is a slightly more challenging side objective to main

same for overload but overload is generally actually harder

[silver fable]

mostly you can just learn a single decent main and bring it everywhere

there are some specials which pair well with certain mains, such as long range mains with shotguns, or rifle with hel gun

but imo main-special synergies aren't a major consideration when choosing loadouts

your special choice should be based on challenges you'll face in a particular level and your role in a team, your main should just be whatever you're comfortable with

especially as a new player, focusing on learning a range of specials to cover multiple bases while keeping your main the same so you have a consistent crutch seems like a good way to go

for sniper especially just "a good main" feels especially like the way to go, since you're not going to get any meaningful synergies and most mains are already geared towards sniper's blind spot, i.e. smalls

[wild adder]

nah yeah gonna stick to main for a longer time, just got my ass kicked : )
thx for answers tho

[sturdy glen]

what level did you take a gander at

[wild adder]

i don't think i understand, what is gander?

[sturdy glen]

whatd you try

[wild adder]

oh, the level

R7B2

[sturdy glen]

ah

[wild adder]

or did you mean a weapon

sorry, my english is trippy sometimes

[sturdy glen]

nah I meant level

[wild adder]

oh well, then i guessed right
took raptus trefen(this uzi-like gun) with sp, got overrun in foggy place while doing alert IV door

[fierce nebula]

skill issue

[silver fable]

honestly a lot of people probably don't even remember what's in r7b2

it's one of the more forgettable levels

but from my (shaky) memory of r7b2 secondary, it's probably one of the secondaries where the difficulty isn't that far from main

the content of the secondary is qualitatively different from main though, if you're not confident (and reasonably well equipped for) dealing with shadows then yeah I guess it could dunk you

make sure you have a biotracker on the team (though really it's a good habit to always have a biotracker on the team), and you might also get value out of pdw in your main slot to suss out shadows

[wild adder]

yes

[wild adder]

gonna keep it in mind, thanks for an advice

[tardy meteor]

Oh yeah we got dunked on last night in r7b2 secondary

The main felt far easier in comparison

I think it was the same place too, class IV alarm with the shadow swarm

What are the different sentries' roles / when to take which one?

[silver fable]

• Burst should be your default goto sentry. It puts good damage into waves, either killing smalls outright or leaving them on very low health, and the sightline requirements aren't too onerous. It's not good into bigs or chargers, but most of the time with a sentry you just want it to thin waves of smalls, and burst sentry puts in good reliable work in this department.
• Sniper sentry is effective into chargers and can actually take out bigs, but it's slow to obtain targets, and won't tend to get much work done at all into waves unless it gets very good sightlines. Can be quite good on reactors due to big sightlines and effectiveness into bigs/hybrids. Gets a bit better when paired with bio due to symbiosis, but still, if you want a sentry that'll put work into waves stick with burst.
• Auto sentry doesn't really have the damage to kill. It staggers well, so theoretically it can be used to stagger and delay waves when killing isn't a priority, such as with surge alarms where killed enemies instantly respawn. In practice, ehh. Again stick with burst.
• Shotgun sentry is in an awkward place. Sentries automatically aim for heads, but aiming shotgun-style weapons at heads is pretty bad because some pellets pop the head and then most of the other pellets pass through and don't connect, so shotgun sentry starts from a pretty jank place. To compensate for this, 10cc just buffed shotgun sentry's numbers multiple times. At this point if you can set it up in an appropriate choke it seems to do a lot of work (and chew a lot of tool), but if you don't want the headache of trying to figure out how to make shotgun sentry do its job, stick with burst.

tl;dr: mostly take burst, consider sniper sentry if you want something to hit bigs and chargers specifically

[tardy meteor]

nice thanks

how many sentries on a team are needed? We've been doing 1-2

[silver fable]

if you're doing a reactor like r1c1 and you're not committing tool slots to mines or foam, then 1 biotracker, 1-2 burst, 1 sniper is a pretty good mix

but most of the time a good default loadout would be 1 bio, 1 mines, 1 foam, 1 burst

then when you know better what you're dealing with you could consider swapping out some tools, such as by trading mines and/or foam for sentries

[tardy meteor]

Alright

Do all sentries benefit from bio?

[silver fable]

no

sniper and shotgun do

oh, all sentries require pings to see shadows

but I wouldn't cut bio just because your sentries don't benefit from it

you get a lot of valuable info from bio, it spots enemies in dark and fog for you, and it doesn't consume tool refill so you can put more refills on your other tools

[tardy meteor]

Is it a good idea to leave the sentry outside, pointing into a cfoamed door?

[silver fable]

not really

definitely a strat that players used in the beforetime before realizing that it wasn't that good

in particular, it won't make the door last longer

if even one enemy is behind the door, the door takes damage at a set rate

and especially if you've mined the door, the mine would just wipe out the enemies when the door blows anyway

I can think of some really niche situations where you might want to do it, but usually it's not a good idea

[tardy meteor]

Alr

[silver fable]

either put sentries on your side of the door so they put in work on waves after the door blows,

or if you're not foam+mining the door, leave open doors on a set path between the enemy spawn location and yourself to form a funnel, find a good sightline in that funnel path, and sentry there

[tardy meteor]

How do I know where the spawn is?

[silver fable]

2 rooms away is the usual rule

if there are multiple rooms that are 2 rooms away, usually at least one of those rooms is selected at random for spawns

there are exceptions to this rule, but it gets complicated and 2-room rule is a good starting point

[tardy meteor]

Alright thanks

[silver fable]

np

[fierce nebula]

ha nerd

[silver fable]

[modern ibex]

Do you need to beat an expedition once to unlock the secondary, or what are the conditions there? I just finished Rundown 1 (R1D1 was nutty) but there are no secondaries for any of the expeditions still.

[icy cave]

No secs before R4

1,-,-,- means they not there, otherwise it would say 1,0,0,0

You can see in advance if there is a sec by clicking a mission and looking at sectors

And they kinda hard to miss ngl 😅

[modern ibex]

Ohhh okay, I see. Yeah to be honest I was so focused on the first rundown I hadn't even really clicked through the others (in case of spoilers) but I see now that they show all the secondaries, overloads and PE ahead of time now

[icy cave]

For now enjoy R1 -R3. you still got lots to see and learn before tackling secondaries and stuff

R2E1 probably being the biggest hurdle to overcome on that road. IF you overcome it that is

[modern ibex]

Hahah good to know, I'll make sure to come prepared for that one. I'm really grateful that earlier rundowns are all available now, I'm really enjoying playing through them "in order"

[icy cave]

You'll have a blast. R1 is a nice extended tutorial. 😏

[modern ibex]

Bruh I finished R1D1 by the skin of my teeth, I can't even imagine 💀

Looking forward to getting butchered repeatedly

[icy cave]

You can't imagine till you do it. you'll have smooth sailing till R2D1 probably 😅

Then you'll get hit.

hard

[modern ibex]

LOL, I can't wait

[icy cave]

👍

[modern ibex]

I appreciate the help DJDNA!

[icy cave]

No problem man

[silver fable]

@nimble summit #gtfo-media message

High cal pistol. Has more total ammo and isn't as range-limited.
wasn't sure if you were memeing, but

• pump gets an 8 round mag and a fast reload cancel, which gives you far more uptime (and less downtime you need to find for reloads)
• with the above and the extra 5 damage you get great fight into bigs (two full giant kills vs high cal's one and a bit, and then pump shotty snatches another mag quicker on top of that)
• with the above and a precision multi of 1 you get unrivaled fight into mothers and situationally good fight into tanks
  shotgun is more ammo-limited, but high cal comes nowhere near matching the impact pump shotty can have in a situation, and I don't think they're all that comparable in current balance

[cold quarry]

This sounds like more reason to buff the high cal

-definitely not a high cal user

[silver fable]

I think it's a pretty awkward gun to balance with its current direction

30 damage high cal in r7 was perfect

[native sun]

Except for the part where it completely overshadowed choke mod

[cold quarry]

Feel like it was too comparable to choke mod

[silver fable]

now it's an easy-to-use gun that's oriented more towards waves but really struggles for throughput

[silver fable]

it didn't have choke mod's fight into bosses (especially tanks), nor choke mod's range or ttk into bigs

[cold quarry]

Yeah that precision multi on the high cal is rough

[silver fable]

you had plenty of vets saying r7 high cal was a bad gun

and then others saying it overshadowed choke mod, which imo means it was in an interesting place

[native sun]

I honestly feel like current high cal is fine, it's an easy to use weapon, it doesn't have to be OP at high level

[silver fable]

I've had this argument too many times

imo having noob crutch weapons that don't stack up to other specials when played well isn't healthy

[cold quarry]

Only thing I'd change about high cal is bump mag to 7. And maybe a little more precision damage to make headshots worth anything

[cold quarry]

Very true, I've heard people say the same thing about the bullpup

[silver fable]

it's a difference of opinion on balance philosophy that I don't think is really all that open to debate

and I didn't ask for a general debate on high cal's balance again

I was just answering tengu's response to me in the other channel

[cold quarry]

Nonsense. Time for a 3 hour debate

It will end in bloodshed

[silver fable]

[icy cave]

warms up keyboard

stretches arms

inhales

"ya'll wrong"

[cold quarry]

The gigathad debater

"I disagree with all of you simultaneously"

[neon gust]

its there to promote booster usage

[tardy ingot]

Bullpup is already bad when used by beginners and stacks up even worse later on

High cal is a great value for beginners to intermediate players and falls off on high end play

[neon gust]

"why have a feature if your not gonna use it" -dev on stream

I love my bp and pr

we getting that

buff

[cold quarry]

True but I've seen people take the bullpups low recoil and say it's a "good noob weapon"

[cold quarry]

Maybe one day but I'm losing hope

[silver fable]

noobs absolutely eat up the bullpup for general feel/handling reasons

[cold quarry]

God knows I did

Its still my favorite primary aesthetically

Looks good, sounds good

[silver fable]

I'm not sure that's the same thing as "good noob weapon" though

I mean, maybe it is in a way

if they're happier with how their weapon handles they'll be more confident and all that

whereas even if they objectively can get more performance out of carbine or pdw or whatever, they'll use it poorly because they don't like it

[cold quarry]

Its not, that's just what made me like the bullpup

Ironically this entire discussion is about the bullpup and high cal, my two favorite guns in this game

[silver fable]

dang, hard life

[icy cave]

Just watch chaos follow

[cold quarry]

I will vehemently defend the high cal as not that bad

But also if 10cc wanna buff it then who am I to stop them

[silver fable]

it's competition is hel gun, veruta, arbalist, har

to some extent hel rifle

imo it'd look weak next to r6 har, let alone our current crop of waveclear specials

[cold quarry]

Counterpoint

Big pistol make big boom

Oneshot enemy make brain feel good

[silver fable]

its competition is not the shotguns, because those do a different job

[dry pumice]

I don't know man

Choker is the same thing just with 2 less bullets, twice the range, 10 times the hair trigger and an extra damage too

Don't even need to ADS too

High cal Is just lame these days. It's not super bad, but the second there's a hint of the spiky Bois - you should switch, now

[late lynx]

hey guys, what weapon can 1 shot the breeder beside sniper ?
sorry if i have the wrong name for the zombie, i meant the zombie that can called out the sleepers

[neon gust]

if you like to optimize for everythying for sure

[neon gust]

the one with the tentacles?

[late lynx]

yeah the one that can turn blue after we hit more than 1 time

[neon gust]

sniper to the head, pumpshotgun to the head, high cal to the head

[dry pumice]

It's not even optimising. With how dangerous and fast chargers are - you just shouldn't risk half assing it. Either better gun, or you sweat your eyes out switching back and fourth between your weapons.

[silver fable]

pump shotgun, choke mod shotgun, high cal, precision rifle, hel rifle, sniper

[neon gust]

switching weapons its sweat?

[silver fable]

want to be pretty close with pump shotgun so that enough of the pellets land, doesn't need to be perfect though

[late lynx]

thanks for the info

[silver fable]

burst cannon can also 1burst it, even with body damage

[dry pumice]

Doing it very fast and accurately is

[silver fable]

it's artek

[neon gust]

what

[silver fable]

I miss when high cal was the compromise sweet spot gun

they took my duos gun and gave it to noobs

[neon gust]

I mean i was saying that you can bring a weapon thats not that good against particular enemy and still be good

[silver fable]

a win for high_cal_in_4man_dragon, I know

[neon gust]

nah

but it was too good i aint gonna lie

[dry pumice]

Id rather not risk getting jumped by 3 chargers because I couldn't hold the wave back

[neon gust]

i kinda miss it

[silver fable]

my dude we still have hel gun

and veruta got a buff

like, the opposite of nerf

somehow

[neon gust]

we got saw off 30 damage tho

[neon gust]

yeah but helgun requires funneling tho

highcal with 30 damage i just kinda point and click

[silver fable]

meanwhile when we take 7m of range, the precision multi, and nearly all the rate of fire from choke mod, put it in a beggars cap, and 10cc gives back a mag with 2 extra rounds, apparently that's too good?

[neon gust]

if they kept 30 damage high cal they somehow had to buff choke

[silver fable]

choke goddamn 1.5-refil kills tanks (oops 1 refill is a few shells short, but still fucken sniper requires 2)

and downs bigs in like 0.5secs

from 15m away

[neon gust]

with macro

[silver fable]

gun's fine

[neon gust]

choke its the macro gun

[dry pumice]

Hm

Should we perhaps buff precision on HCP then?

[silver fable]

that'd be pretty weird imo

throughput-challenged into waves and bigs, ass into chargers, but weirdy ammo-efficient into tanks

I guess if you go to like 1.1 you get 1tap mommy tumors too

[late lynx]

guys i wanna ask again, can i join a room that i haven't unlock yet ?

[dry pumice]

Yes, hosts can taxi you to other levels and their completions will count.

[late lynx]

ahh okay, i though i cant get into the room that aren't unlocked yet on my acc

thanks artek

[lusty bramble]

You're just a contrarian for the sake of being one gato

🤓

[neon gust]

gato thats a statement not been a contrarian

🤓

[lusty bramble]

IM NOT THE NERD EMOJI YOURE THE NERD EMOJI

[modern ibex]

Hey sorry to interrupt the 🤓 discussion but are the spawns at the end of R3A1 constant or do they come in bursts? Would it be possible for a single prisoner to run the obj back to extract solo while occasionally dropping to fire or no?

The mission isn't super long but I don't want to spend the time it takes to clear it just to test out the last stretch

[lone mortar]

What kind of burst

[tardy ingot]

its doable yes

[ocean spindle]

i guess it would b
hard cause of the first few hybrids spawns but depends on ur tool i guess

[modern ibex]

I guess I meant do the enemies just filter in constantly or do they come more like waves when you do security doors

[lone mortar]

Waves

[modern ibex]

Okay that's cool, that definitely seems doable like the others said

[lone mortar]

I dont actually look at wave spawning

I only know best is how surge alarm works

[modern ibex]

Is that what that kind of alarm is?

[ocean spindle]

those r probs spoils

:3

[modern ibex]

Oh okay, no worries. I'll discover it for myself then!

[ocean spindle]

noice

[lone mortar]

Whadda hell

Whatchu doin here slendi

[ocean spindle]

i woke up

:]

right in time too

[lone mortar]

Go back to mimir

Embrace sleeper

[ocean spindle]

nuh

[royal linden]

109775244255791808

go to the game

[ocean spindle]

hello, theres LFG channels to join n share lobbies

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[ocean spindle]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[safe stone]

What does the Light-Gas Rifle mean for the Hel Rifle?

[hidden ridge]

Hel= pens targets (should be up to 5 but due to shenanigans it can be less)

[ocean spindle]

and it has a lil charge up before shootin

[hidden ridge]

#gtfo-media message

[ocean spindle]

stuff stuff but well

it penetrates thats the, bullet point :D

[hidden ridge]

😄

[safe stone]

how do you pen the targets ?

[dry pumice]

You use any of the weapons that have HEL in the name

Their bullets can penetrate targets and thus hit multiple aligned targets

[jagged shore]

just means the bullets will travel through an enemy

[dry pumice]

HEL Revolver (main)
HEL Auto Pistol (main)
HEL Shotgun (main)
HEL Gun (special)
HEL Rifle (special)
and i feel like i'm forgetting someone...

[jagged shore]

i don't think so?

[hidden ridge]

Would you say Hel Gun is cute?

I imagine HEL Autopistol to have twintails

[dry pumice]

No, i don't

It looks... Unique, but like in a wrong way

First of all wtf is that disgusting pistol stock

Apparently it has a tripod

And then there's the first person view

It looks stubby. Then again... That's literally every gun in this game.

The vibe i'm getting is the "little meta goblin"

[ocean spindle]

i like it, its has a very different feel than most guns and idk why, kinda like hel shottie has that unique front and obv the sight is fantastic

it is like squashed

but idk i think it adds more to it

it is like, supposed to not be a super heavy rifle

just a funky lil dude gun

[dry pumice]

HEL Rifle meanwhile is beaitful

What an absolute unit

[ocean spindle]

yeah its fantastic

but i like both

:]

[hasty matrix]

Hey everyone, I'm looking for a new auto weapon, I couldn't find a real tier list and the weapon stats are overwhelming to comprehend.

Can anyone recommend a Main auto weapon that isn't the Hel autopistol? I'm jumping back into the game after a long hiatus and have been using the Malatack LX exclusively and was wondering if that was my best bet. Thanks 🙂

[ocean spindle]

hello, really like all the automatics r useful... for the most part, id say give em all a try and see what u like and what u dont

tryin every gun is just funs since u get to experience a lot

but well, usually the pdw is very rated too

[hasty matrix]

Yeah thats a good idea, can you try different weapons in training now on a whim? I hate starting a level and then figuring out I hate the weapon and have to roll with it till I complete it or die. But I will give the PDW a shot, and people have been talking about the bullpup? But I guess it has a super long reload.

[ocean spindle]

um, nope, training has a set of weapons predefined, smg shottie burst sentry and bat, but u can just go to like an A1 or others levels where u know theres lots of shootin n try em there too

[hasty matrix]

I didn't even think of that, thanks

[ocean spindle]

is okii, may good lucks findin ur perfect gun >:D

[forest lily]

I've been having a blast with the Van Auken SMG and the bullpup rifle. If you give those a try, they're pretty good generalist weapons.

I usually like to have one thermal weapon in my loadout and while I personally don't like the PDW, I still do reccomend it. Supposedly it's better than the van auken or bullpup but in practice it really doesn't seem like it. Really good for hip firing at close range though.

[cosmic sequoia]

hey guys, I'm in a game with 2 friends and a bot. Bot has tool refill and won't give it to us even though I have 20%. Checking the wiki and this chat, I don't see anything to do?

[fringe trellis]

does the trick where you use a sniper sentry in a different room to kill giants quietly still work

[silver fable]

auto mains are in a pretty rough spot in the current balance

pdw is the only good one (it'd be a strictly better smg even without the thermal, and then it also gets a thermal)

bullpup in particular is terrible

like, if you took a second or so off bullpup's reload then it'd be decent

but few mains are impactful enough with a clip to justify a 2.4s reload

if you want a tier list with a bunch of words written alongside it, look up rayalot's most recent weapon tier list on reddit

I disagree with some placements and rationale on it, but you'll find that most experienced players agree with most of it

carbine might also be of interest as a gun that's not an auto, but can spray out lead faster even than an auto, and is also just a very pushed main that's pretty accessible

[silver fable]

I can't remember because I never use bots, but there might be a bot command to use tool under the chat menu on Q?

[ocean spindle]

nothin to do, the bot probs already used it and it bugged

also no bots dont do those commands

Q doesnt do anythin in resource management

but check if the bot has a 0% tool

then its just bugged

[cosmic sequoia]

Thanks guys

It looks like the bot did use it then just had the box still showing

[covert remnant]

Anybody try this game in VR?

[dry pumice]

I heard some people have. I imagine it performs even worse.

[fierce nebula]

the idea is amazing but the code for the game itself is already strung together with gum

[covert remnant]

Game runs pretty good for me. At some point, I'm gonna check it out in VR. I don't think it would be the ideal way to play but could be fun for every now and then.

[fierce nebula]

"pretty good for me" probably gets 10FPS and snorted the copium of being a poorie

[ocean spindle]

it would defo be 700% more stress :D

[covert remnant]

||I actually get 11-12 FPS, thank you very much||

[ocean spindle]

nice

[fierce nebula]

BRUH

[cold quarry]

"the game runs fine" mfs booting up R7D1

[ocean spindle]

skill issue
i couldnt boot up r1d1

[cold quarry]

the fraught relationship between FPS and d-tier levels

[covert remnant]

I could get 15 FPS on R1A1. 🙏

[cold quarry]

jesus

[ocean spindle]

we both runnin the game so bad yayyy qwq

[covert remnant]

Sorry. I was just trying to be modest. It's actually 25.

[ocean spindle]

:[

[fleet shadow]

What are ppl running for their specials these days? I used to love the burst cannon but it doesnt feel the same anymore

[ocean spindle]

yeah got nerfed
but well u can choose whatever, there isnt really an unusable one

what do u usually do in ur groups? lots of dmg? big boi kill? wave controller?

[sacred dew]

HeavyAssaultRifle, HelGun, Pump Shotty, Sniper

[neon gust]

all specials are viable

just depends on what you wanna use

[fleet shadow]

giant kill is nice to have actually, if you have any reccs

primarily what i used burst for in the first place

[past mesa]

Sniper then

[neon gust]

sniper, choke

[ocean spindle]

chokemod, and normal shotgun, hel rifle if u aling em well :]

and its a bit lower dmg but u might high caliber

[neon gust]

hel rifle?

[ocean spindle]

hel rifleo

[neon gust]

nah thats for funneling and too niche

[ocean spindle]

thats why i said if u aling em well :3

[fleet shadow]

my group generally runs precision x2 and the arbalist

[neon gust]

varied loadout its better, 1 pres rifle its nice

[past mesa]

Just take precision x3

[civic wave]

2 precision rifles? please god no

[past mesa]

Might as well

[civic wave]

I admire the dedication but

[fleet shadow]

what can i pick up to help supplement from that? the double precision seems to kinda cover the giants

[sturdy glen]

cant let the first pr get all the kills yknow

[neon gust]

pres rifle its not for giants

[civic wave]

precision rifle is god awful against giants

[neon gust]

theyre for smalls

[ocean spindle]

precisio rifle doesnt have dmg for big guys

[civic wave]

wtf is this

[fleet shadow]

Oh, ok then

[neon gust]

its like an easier revolver

[past mesa]

3 pr rifles would be for giants

Prove me wrong

[ocean spindle]

i mean so 3 machinepistols :3

[fleet shadow]

I mean we're still super early on/new, just got to r2d1 so excuse my ignorance lol

[ocean spindle]

prove me wrong

[ocean spindle]

nah thats fine

[neon gust]

i love pr you know me but i aint gonna let my man run x3 of that hell naw

[ocean spindle]

it sounds n feel powrrful but it, isnt

[neon gust]

it happens

we just fight eachother here on a daily basis

[past mesa]

Can you campaign for a pr range buff

[craggy pier]

Why won't the prisoners just escape are they stupid?

[neon gust]

dont worry about it

[civic wave]

I think the people over at #gtfo-lore could give you a better answer than anyone here

[neon gust]

get that 50m

[craggy pier]

bots literally have the ability to fucking ascend out of the pit we drop into

[past mesa]

It would be nice if it could kill scouts at longer ranges than choke mod

[craggy pier]

had bot dauda stuck on one of the rocks out in the elevator shaft

[ocean spindle]

they r mentally controlled kinda im pretty sure

[cold quarry]

def not considering the shit we do in r7

[ocean spindle]

maybs partially

idkk

[craggy pier]

they are not

[past mesa]

Ehhh

[craggy pier]

r7d2 proves that

r7a1 and r7b1 prove it too

[cold quarry]

c3 too, we open a backdoor for henrikson

[past mesa]

“Proves” is a pretty strong word

[cold quarry]

even our characters dialogue strongly suggests we aren't

hackett saying shit like "I don't wanna know" in response to enemies on biotracker

why would a brainwashed KSO joke around at all

[past mesa]

But just escaping is a hard thing and also a pointless thing

[craggy pier]

i never got past the first alarm door on that level

or whatever door that was

the charger room

[past mesa]

Blood door

[craggy pier]

yea

that

bots kinda suck at melee

;(

[cold quarry]

I ran it with two buddies

[past mesa]

But we also get moments in lore where the kds agents aren’t really human

[cold quarry]

I ran knife, they had sledges for bigs and having someone with a fast melee made the blood door easier

[past mesa]

Bishop tp in r6 things

[craggy pier]

thats the part where i fail at

i have a few friends

only 1 plays gtfo

but got burned out

[cold quarry]

I have no idea whats going on there

[craggy pier]

(The 7 hour R7D1 run incident)

[cold quarry]

well thats your problem, 7C3 is absolutely horrific with bots

[weak bough]

Will there ever be an official way to play this in VR? I’ve bought this game because of the VR modding and playing it in VR is an AMAZING experience so far!

[ocean spindle]

probs not, since 10c doesnt specialize in vr

[weak bough]

Ah…well maybe they could get help from the modders who created the vr mod if anything 🤔

[craggy pier]

yes collab

[neon gust]

if they wanted vr for this game they woulda implement it a long time ago

probably once the game its fully release

[weak bough]

Well it’s like @ocean spindle stated. Maybe they don’t know how

[neon gust]

oh they do

if some dude in its spare time can do it

they definetly can

but vr its such a small % of the player base

[craggy pier]

thing is they dont wanna do it

[neon gust]

that honestly its probably not even worth it

[neon gust]

i rather see the next game

[weak bough]

That’s cause VR needs more AAA games like this to help push it…thankfully modders are solving that hehe

[craggy pier]

not a fan of payday 🤷‍♂️

[covert remnant]

Good to know. I was genuinely interested in this.

[weak bough]

I have yet to try it but I just got it recently hah

[weak bough]

Well unless an official version comes out, there’s always the mod to try out 😅

[covert remnant]

Yeah, had seen some stuff about it from awhile back but nothing recent. Didn't know if it was still working with the game or not.

[weak bough]

I can dm you the server link so you can keep up to date with it if you’d like

[covert remnant]

Sure. Thanks.

[weak bough]

Definitely! It’s a crazy experience to try in vr when you got the sleepers blood all over your “face” from smashing it with a hammer lol 😂

[craggy pier]

should they add skins to this game? similar to like skins in ghost runner?

I feel bad that the studio is not making a consistant source of money

[neon gust]

Not a live service game-dev

[past mesa]

We really are in late stage capitalism aren’t we

[neon gust]

pick your favorite company

[fierce nebula]

BECAUSE ITS FUNNY JESSICA

just like the MCU, making jokes most of the time during a serious tone makes a good scene

[craggy pier]

kixeye without a doubt

[slow bane]

does nrv probe reaction at the end of the run have real meaning besides lore?

[craggy pier]

No effect on actual gameplay so either lore or fancy text

[olive robin]

Soon enough we get to the good part, bandit economy

[modern ibex]

Probably a silly question, but you don’t lose out on any lore/intended progression by doing the Rundowns out of order, do you?

I accidentally started R3 last night after finishing R1, and I really like it, but I was intending to play through them in order

[past mesa]

not really

the lore is very "segmented and you dont get a lot of it until r4 and r5 if you read logs

and progression the only real progression is sleeper revels

so levels like r1d1 is a revel for things and if you play other levels you might spoil that

[modern ibex]

Yeah, playing through R1D1 blind and solo was one of the best experiences I’ve had in this game so far

[sturdy glen]

how much of r6 lore is "continued" in r7, cuz idk the r6 lore

just know that 6 and 7 have the most in your face lore

[modern ibex]

Okay, good deal

[sturdy glen]

not that most new ppl will probably get through 1-5 before 6 comes out

but

[modern ibex]

I’m really liking the little snippets of lore but I wish there were more, so that sounds cool

[past mesa]

most sleeper revels arent ruined in the game

but you should probs play r7 up to c teirs before r5

[modern ibex]

Wait really? Why R7 before R5?

[past mesa]

r7 has one of the best sleeper revels

r5 kinda spoils it

tbh

[modern ibex]

That’s bizarre, but I’ll keep that in mind. I’m trying to play through each Rundown completely before moving to the next, so I guess I can do R7 after R4!

[past mesa]

only need to do up to c tier

then you can do what ever

[modern ibex]

Why is that?

[past mesa]

most revels happen around then

so if you play all c teir levels

you will have seen most of the spoilers that can be ruined

the scary things are treated really well pretty much everywhere

[modern ibex]

Interesting, alright. I appreciate all the info, thanks!

[silver fable]

I'd expect newer players to tend to get stuck around r2c2 onward in r2

well, especially d2 and e1

imo having all the rundowns available allows you to get around what has felt like one of the big issues for newcomers: not enough A/B tier stuff

[modern ibex]

Yeah, I heard it gets really rough around that point. I can always come ask for a group here if it seems unbeatable, for sure

Honestly I didn’t mind the difficulty of the c/d tier stuff in R1, but perhaps that changes in the later rundowns?

[silver fable]

it starts to demand knowledge of how to plan or navigate things that new players tend to take a while to onboard

as well as execution things like having more impact in combat, dealing with scouts, etc

there's just far more slack for newcomers to get away with really grossly ineffective approaches to things in earlier levels

[modern ibex]

I could see that, for sure.

[silver fable]

so when you get to later levels and are expected to tighten things up and do things properly, a lot of those crews who've been kinda brute-forcing it get stonewalled

at that point it's at least good to have earlier tiers available in different rundowns, so that you can kinda have more opportunities to pick up effective strats in more permissive content

[silver fable]

hm, r1's C/D tiers are pretty light though

r1d1 in particular is probably by far the easiest D tier level

[modern ibex]

Oof, that feels bad. It took me almost two hours to get through that one by the skin of my teeth

It was so hard not to take chip damage at the end because of the visibility

[silver fable]

out of curiosity, did you find it harder than r1c2?

[modern ibex]

Yes, and mostly because of the engagement areas. I brought mines and they were absolutely awful in every one of the alarm phases.

[silver fable]

interesting

tbh I don't remember the alarms very well at all in r1d1

if you have more of an open room layout with few or no doors to mine, then you start to look to things like sentry funnels

[modern ibex]

They’re just big rooms, and zero rolling doors to mine, which I rely on a lot.

I def should’ve brought sentry for sure

[silver fable]

by the looks of things my playthrough was a duo with bio and a sentry

I just remember finding the level very forgettable

[modern ibex]

Huh, wild. What kind of sentry were you using? Burst?

[silver fable]

at the time sniper sentry was still pretty good, so we had one of those

but burst is pretty nutty

[modern ibex]

Seems especially good if you’re running with bio cause of the synergy

[silver fable]

if you're a 4man you could look at bio + 3 burst sentries, and just do funnel strats

especially if there just aren't a lot of good doors to mine

I don't know though, I haven't thought about the level in a long time

actually you could look up professor scaler's guide, he'll have tool recommendations and setups that should be effective if you're curious

[modern ibex]

Oh cool, I’ll check that out. Could be good to get an idea of good loadouts prior getting two hours into an expedition, hahaha

[silver fable]

even with synergy I'd only run sniper sentry if it'll be primarily be firing on bigs or chargers
burst sentry is firmly the default wave sentry right now

[modern ibex]

I don’t have a lot of trouble with bigs so having some wave thinning with Burst seems like the best call

[silver fable]

it's less about having trouble with bigs in general, and more about the specific level having fights stacked with bigs

[modern ibex]

Oh, fair point

[silver fable]

for example, some reactors throw a lot of bigs and hybrids at you in a single wave

so maybe the right balance there would be a single burst sentry and a single sniper sentry

or 2 burst 1 sniper, loadout permitting

[modern ibex]

Yeah, you could even pull the burst sentry to keep them from popping the giant’s heads

Which I’ve heard is one of the only real issues with them

[silver fable]

bit more of an issue if you have a sniper rifle on the team and the burst sentry doesn't have much else to shoot at

sniper rifle's in an okay place right now, but it's still pretty niche

[modern ibex]

Yeah, it seems very good at what it does, but needs a team with a load out supporting it

[silver fable]

much of the time if you want the ability to drop bigs at range or get damage on bosses, choke shotgun will give you enough of that capability while still leaving you some fight into smalls as well

so I'd default to choke and move to sniper if you really feel like a hard commitment to that role is required

[wintry kayak]

right but at that point 2 snipers would also wave thin effectively AND profit from symbiosis

so it's a hard call

honestly just bring whatever sentry you want is what I like to say

[silver fable]

I think with sniper sentry's current balance, people are struggling to justify to themselves even bringing one

[wintry kayak]

sniper sentry needs some love

I agree

[silver fable]

like, I'm one of the more experienced players who's actually still somewhat positive on sniper

but 2 feels like a bit much

[wintry kayak]

ehhh I like sniper but that’s because I’m still denying the nerf

I am still in R4

[silver fable]

it's no longer r7 anime sentry

[wintry kayak]

it’s beautiful here

[modern ibex]

LOL

[wintry kayak]

yeah

shotgun sentry would be decent if it didn’t empty itself in 20 seconds

[silver fable]

on this, I do think a lot of the fun of this game comes from applying your understanding of the mechanics to devise plans for alarms, etc

I mostly recommended scaler's guide because you've done the level, but it took you a while

so you could treat it as a bit of a debriefer

to see what's possible

[wintry kayak]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpd0WlCzoNbWQtH3tn9FEMYSh3y0GyT_C

I recommend these videos

keep in mind some of these are outdated

but the underlying mechanics are largely the same

[silver fable]

like, if you want to run scaler's strats on each level then that's okay too

[wintry kayak]

this is what I send to my friends when they start

scaler makes mistakes though

like leaving south door open on R4D2 start surge💀

I know they can technically break middle door

[silver fable]

lol, scaler's not perfect for sure

[wintry kayak]

but that’s once in 20 runs

[wintry kayak]

he’s fun though

[silver fable]

but even an imperfect resource can help

[wintry kayak]

I used to play with scaler and ari

until they became youtube and twitch famous

lmao

[silver fable]

I point people to rayalot's weapon reviews/tier lists all the time, even though I've spent probably thousands of keystrokes on here arguing with him over weapon rankings/balance

[wintry kayak]

I don’t really agree with the concept of a weapon review because I feel like they SHOULD be treated as equals (primaries)

even though they are not tbf

but for specials sure they fill roles

I’m building my own rundown as we speak along with some balance changes

although I’m considering cutting down the weapon loadouts to 4 options per slot

to make it feel more class y

[silver fable]

I don't see any reason for there to be an egalitarian principle for mains or whatever

if a main over- or under-performs, then we should talk about it

[wintry kayak]

like machine pistol, AR, burst, dmr

and that’s it

or maybe sawed off

no way I’m putting hel shotty in

[wintry kayak]

people gonna be mad at me for this

[wintry kayak]

true

[silver fable]

if your goal is distinct flavours of main, dmr and br are a little too close to one another imo

[wintry kayak]

it’s a delicate balance because I’ve played with a burst which has 3 dmg 1 precision and it’s straight up OP

[wintry kayak]

fair, I’ll go sawed off, pistol, heavy smg, burst rifle

and then balance them accordingly

weapons are easier to balance if there’s less of them

[silver fable]

hmm, I kinda liked seeing AR in there