gtfo-related-questions

[past mesa]

Yup

Don’t post a 12 hour clear

[icy cave]

4 hours for a 15 min level !!!!!!

😭

[neon gust]

Yeah dont post your 4+ hour clear

nobody will respect you

because you dont even respect your own time

[icy cave]

8 hours R6C1 (or was it R7C1)

Could have run it 16 times !

[neon gust]

game its about making moves

it really isnt that tactical

[gloomy laurel]

I just wasted like 5 minutes trying to figure out what a map icon is(I still dont know)

[latent obsidian]

don't post anything between 3-5hours, but DO post anything longer, we will find it very funny

[icy cave]

And community about making waves😎

[tardy ingot]

10 hour r6c1

1 run (with checkpoints) no pauses

[past mesa]

What does it look like

[hidden ridge]

I've a super long ass PE clear screenshot of R7B3 PE because I went to dinner

[icy cave]

Yeah then the 8 was R7C1

I remember that R6 run, it was a loooong night to watch

[icy cave]

Does not count.

[gloomy laurel]

Rectangle with a striped pattern
Dont see it in the map key
Is it a ladder?

[past mesa]

Ladder

If it is green

[tardy ingot]

the map legend … eh those dont rly work

[hidden ridge]

Ladder is [...]

[icy cave]

If he at start of R1A1, where is ladder?

[hidden ridge]

key zone

near terminal

[past mesa]

Yeah

[hidden ridge]

and in the end

[icy cave]

Ah he already in key zone then

Won't be a 4 hour run then

[past mesa]

Pretty good

[icy cave]

he good

[hidden ridge]

post screen

[gloomy laurel]

Well I just died so too late

I assume it was a ladder because it was near where an actual ladder was but it was just weird bcuz like, you think a ladder would be a different icon/in the map legend

[icy cave]

It's ok, on you go !

And when you'll hit your wall. #how-to-matchmake

👍

[gloomy laurel]

I probably plan on going into LFG RN, I just wanted to do a single solo run for controls

[latent obsidian]

good luck prisoner

🫡

[past mesa]

Gl o7

[icy cave]

May your adventures be ....favorable

[gloomy laurel]

well, maybe not rn since its 5 am and idk how many people are gunna be on but yk

[past mesa]

It isn’t peek hours rn

[latent obsidian]

Probably kinda low activity hours tbh

[past mesa]

For na

[icy cave]

Looking at channels quite some

apparently NA and EU (except me) are not working today???

[latent obsidian]

you're right actually... this level of activity off peak.... the GTFO revival??

dead game

[icy cave]

😂 sure

[hazy dirge]

Is rifle or burst rifle a good replacement for pistol for the extra range

[latent obsidian]

I've seen a lot of people say rifle is like a long ranged pistol, and kinda better too

burst rifle is a bit more different but still quite good I think

[hazy dirge]

Conflicting information on the wiki says the rifle either has 1 or the same as pistol for its precision bonus

But a significantly longer range, 6 meters vs 25

[latent obsidian]

My sources tell me it has the same precision bonus as pistol

[hazy dirge]

Burst rifle has the same as well then too, sporting a 20 meter range tho

[latent obsidian]

yep

bear in mind this range is just when damage starts to fall off

If you are shooting burst rifle at 30m its still pretty okay if you are landing the shots

[hazy dirge]

Aye, I just usually find myself aching cause I want to shoot at things farther off than the pistol supports

It’s so close to one shot headshot on both shooters and strikers fml

[latent obsidian]

use boosters

[hazy dirge]

Naturally

[tardy ingot]

Huh what, its not even close :|

[neon gust]

only bullpup have a pres multi of 1

ther rest have less than 1

[hazy dirge]

My bad, you’re right. It only comes up to 13.2 taken out of the strikers 20 HP, it was DMR that is just barely under

Burst rifle can do it in one burst if you land all headshots though

[silver fable]

head should be popped from the second round in the burst

which suggests to me that 1-bursting a striker may be a client-only thing

if it works at all

[silver fable]

dmr 1-tapping strikers would be disgusting, btw

[wintry kayak]

this

but eh

desync happens

[hazy dirge]

Again, main boosters 😌

[silver fable]

nikt still gives me shit for that 5hr checkpointed r6b1 clear I once posted

[silver fable]

...yeah this is why we don't talk about boosters when discussing game balance

[dry pumice]

Me bringing +30% Main Damage to justify bringing Bullpup 😔

[mossy mason]

what's the meta of weapons rn

[hazy dirge]

A +16% to make rifle 1 headshot + 1 body shot for strikers would be baller

[latent obsidian]

Hel revolver or Carbine main, specials are a bit more situation dependant

[neon gust]

all weapons are viable to use, but the top dogs are, carbine hel revolver for main

dang too late

[mossy mason]

what makes the hel revolver so great? i used it seemed kinda weak

[latent obsidian]

you take this one BD 🙇

[neon gust]

pens, good damage

spameable

good reload cancel

[dry pumice]

It penetrates up to 2 (3?) enemies and kill biters in one-two-punch of Headshot + Bodyshot

[neon gust]

like we say in my country ere erea

[dry pumice]

Also great stagger so you can stunlock enemies about to bite you

[mossy mason]

is the game even possible solo? 😅

[neon gust]

no

play with people its a coop game

bring a friend or two and fill the rest with bots

[mossy mason]

yeah but my friends are offline and i wanted to continue playing kept dying to security scans

[icy cave]

Next time you'll be on time Not_present_father_Dragon

[dry pumice]

No. Not really. Possible - yes, people did it, but its 11/10 hard and requires flawless performance as well as using every exploit in the book

[latent obsidian]

you can do a lot of content with bots but its harder

pure solo, don't even bother

[dry pumice]

I think you can clear like As, Bs and Cs of first 3 rundowns

After that it gets very problematic

However you're fucked on every Reactor type mission

[icy cave]

Lfg channels will help you out

[red gate]

Anyone know how to rip the game player/enemy models from the game into blender? I wanna animate with them, but can't find any public models of them.

[dry pumice]

Modders should know something

.t modding

[uneven gulch]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[red gate]

Thank you :3

[silver fable]

it's honestly probably not that great for newer players, since an 8-round clip with a nearly 3 second natural reload means you'll be having uptime issues

[icy cave]

Point is you need to hit your shots. if you do tho it's simply one of the best

[silver fable]

much of the time you won't be getting pen hits and you're unlikely to 1head + 1body 4 enemies with a clip either unless your aim is really on point

put those together and I'd expect new players to really struggle to have an impact with hel revo

[icy cave]

Yes hel revolver is not new player friendly

For once! I agree with you

[silver fable]

[icy cave]

One day you'll see the light on the other matters as well

I'm sure you can be redeemed

[silver fable]

dear god man, can you agree to disagree on anything?

[icy cave]

And compromise on facts????

Who does that !!!!!

😂

[silver fable]

[wintry kayak]

what other matters 👀

I'm gonna roast one of the two of you

it's gonna be a coin toss

@silver fable

[silver fable]

ffs

what has this server become

I'm over it

if you have to know, one of the arguments is over whether r7 is hard (it isn't)

I don't remember what else there was

[hazy dirge]

If carbine and hel revolver are top tier main weapons then what are the better/best special weapons

[wintry kayak]

Id say R5>R4>R2>R7>R3>R6>R1

maybe swap 3 and 7

not sure

[latent obsidian]

R6 is harder than R3 pretty sure

[silver fable]

waveclear: hel gun, combat shotgun, veruta, arbalist
high-uptime damage: pump shotgun
ranged damage: choke mod shotgun

[wintry kayak]

On average, for their tiers, the R3 levels are hard

Not D1

I guess it depends

do you mean clearing the rundown or on average?

[wintry kayak]

sniper 😢

[hazy dirge]

Choke mod is next highest damage behind sniper iirc, right? Also 10 meter range before falloff

[silver fable]

as a new playerI recommend learning at least one waveclear special (if you don't like any of those that I listed, heavy assault rifle is fine), as well as the pump and choke shotguns

[hazy dirge]

At least choke has a good precision multiplier

[wintry kayak]

sniper is a one trick pony but it is really efficient at what it does best

[latent obsidian]

moreso the former, but I just think there are several levels harder than R3D1 in R6

[silver fable]

can get a lot of work done under the right circumstances, but too niche, and even outcompeted by choke mod against tanks

[wintry kayak]

choke mod is all round ish

I'd say sniper is still very viable for tanks though

[silver fable]

choke is a soft commitment to ranged damage, sniper is a hard but niche commitment

[wintry kayak]

it's just not as ammo efficient

but it does have more burst damage against tanks

[hazy dirge]

I've used and am good with the machine guns, the hel gun I need more pactice on with pen but I'm close, and I'd rather use choke than combat shotty

[silver fable]

viable for quick tank kills, but underwhelming for efficient tank kills

[wintry kayak]

that's fair. But R3A-B levels are way harder than R6A-B

[hazy dirge]

And burst rifle isn't on the list?

[wintry kayak]

fair point, although who brings a sniper to R4E1 anyways (I guess that is what you're referring to)

[latent obsidian]

me 🙂

[wintry kayak]

me too

oops

[latent obsidian]

I don't see it being viable to have taken a different special in its place

[silver fable]

the only place I can think of where I want quick tank kills is r6c3, and even then probably only duo

[wintry kayak]

burst rifle is underwhelming. It gets overshadowed by the dominance of the carbine

[silver fable]

and even then sniper is such a heavy commitment for a duo

[wintry kayak]

when carbine gets nerfed maybe we will see more burst rifle play

[silver fable]

choke and combat shotty are two very very different guns

[wintry kayak]

what I'm trying to say is that while sniper is not efficient, it is easy to use against tanks and, apart from R4E1, the game usually fills you up with ammo to deal with them

[hazy dirge]

Yeah, I more meant if I wanted to run a shotgun I'd run choke although combat does fill a different role

Haven't run combat as much though

[silver fable]

emphasis on "role". imo combat shotgun competes more with the waveclear specials than it does with the other shotguns

[wintry kayak]

the true tank kill efficiency is hidden in the burst cannon though

but sadly I see no chads using it anymore

I take it on R4E1 sometimes

[hidden ridge]

CS does waveclearing good, Choke does bigkilling good, Shotty is in the middle

[silver fable]

well for example quad choke mod is r7e1 meta loadout

[wintry kayak]

I also cleared R7E1 with BC

[wintry kayak]

right but on a reactor or R5E1 I would much prefer a sniper

[past star]

Literally any level you take any gun

[ocean spindle]

always chose ur gun just based on how much u like it

never let others define ur picks

[hazy dirge]

Double revolver

[ocean spindle]

fuck u smg haters i know its bad im takin it anyways

[latent obsidian]

except for bullpup rifle

don't take that

[ocean spindle]

even bullpup

[wintry kayak]

I take bullpup at times

[ocean spindle]

goin with style i like that

[wintry kayak]

it feels good

[silver fable]

I'll let you know what I think of that when I get to r5e1 duo planning, for 4man I agree with bread

[wintry kayak]

plus I barely play the game seriously anymore anyways

[latent obsidian]

taking random loadouts is fun tbf, I'd never use a lot of the stuff otherwise

[wintry kayak]

alright when you're doing that duo, consider taking one

[ocean spindle]

i always try to pick the guns i havent used in a while

next is the assault rifle

i already got it planned

[latent obsidian]

what if guns had artifact heat just like levels 😱

[silver fable]

I choose my guns based on what's going to allow me to finish the level and not die

[ocean spindle]

boring

:]

[wintry kayak]

killing a giant from the front takes 4 choke mod shots correct?

[silver fable]

ya

[ocean spindle]

think so yeah, 30 dmg

[dry pumice]

Yep

[wintry kayak]

even if you hit all pellets to the head for one of them

bc 1.5 multi

[dry pumice]

Approach and go trigger mad.

[silver fable]

never headshot a big with a shotgun

first few pellets tear off the head and the rest go through

like if you're looking down on one then maybe yeah do it

[wintry kayak]

that's fair, I honestly forget the choke mod is a shotgun at times

[silver fable]

I remember as a noob I believed pump shotgun required 5 shots to consistently down a giant

throwing a headshot in there was the issue

[wintry kayak]

yep

headshot is 15 damage from what I'm seeing here

choke mod bullet cost is 10

sniper bullet cost is 23

[hazy dirge]

So only if you shoot frank from behind you'll be more cost efficient than the sniper

[silver fable]

I guess this highlights the subjectivity of rundown difficulty rankings

[ocean spindle]

is kinda funny they were thinkin of puttin r3 over r7

ngl

[wintry kayak]

right but that is a very rare case

[wintry kayak]

I was considering the lower tier levels as well

[silver fable]

back shots are a matter of opportunity, don't stress if you're usually frontshotting with shotguns

[wintry kayak]

tier for tier comparison

[wintry kayak]

backshots are indeed a matter of opportunity

💦

[silver fable]

I've seen weird takes like "if you're using pump shotgun, try to trickshot 2 strikers with one shell where you can"

like, no, just 1 shell 1 striker, 4 shell bigs, you don't have to get mega sweaty about ammo

[ocean spindle]

i mean even in b tiers r7 comes on top

[wintry kayak]

depends on the situation of course, with a surge, yeah you could probably aim to get more than one with a shot but otherwise naaaahh

edited

could

not should

[silver fable]

if you have a dense horde in front of you, your shots may net a bit more than one target, sure

[wintry kayak]

R7B3 kinda hard true I forgot that existed

alright fair

but theres so many more factors

theres sectors

[silver fable]

r7b3 is an easy level with a hard ending

[wintry kayak]

we'll just keep it as "subjective

[ocean spindle]

i guess fairs

takin only the mains maybs i could see it

[wintry kayak]

because if you're saying a rundown is hard if it's hard to complete, you're basically only comparing the hardest level from each rundown

[silver fable]

I think tier-for-tier is weird

[wintry kayak]

and so any rundown without an E is disqualified

[silver fable]

I feel like you'd need to replace tiers with tier-like clusters or something, because tiers vary wildly from rundown to rundown in terms of what they're doing

[wintry kayak]

yeah but it would be by chance/oppurtunity, not because you were striving to do it, so you're correct in that that take of theirs is stupid

[wintry kayak]

it's a hard comparison to make

where do sectors even go

is a pre r4 level comparable to a post r4 level

[latent obsidian]

I would just compare the PE for every level

[silver fable]

personally I'm inclined to mostly ignore lower tiers

[wintry kayak]

as long as we have an idea of what levels are hard and which aren't I don't really care about rankings tbf

[ocean spindle]

i mean even not countin the e in r7
i think the b tiers r just way more funky, like r3b2 only has one thing going for it, the funny parental figure, and the rest is like surprisingly easy, b1 is a joke its only like 4 alarms and thats it, and their super easy to defend
r7b1 and b2 have some funky curves, the end scan and the last uplink and ending respectively, and on c tiers r3c1 only has the ending, and w/o even counting r7c2 and c3, t7c1 is brutally harder, by a mile

[tardy ingot]

Oof, OOF

[ocean spindle]

counting all the levels includin a b c tiers

[silver fable]

like I think r2 having four b tiers kinda weighs it down with forgettable easy cruft

[wintry kayak]

this is under a bunch of assumptions and parameters, dw

I agree with these guys under their assumptions

[ocean spindle]

at least r2a1 is like harder than r7 r3 r1

[wintry kayak]

right because R6-R7 A levels are basically tutorials

[ocean spindle]

yeah

at least it had scouts

2

[silver fable]

I don't go compare r2's b tiers to other rundowns and say "hmm some of these are on the higher end of b levels, let's move r2 up"

[wintry kayak]

whereas R3 A's are actually pretty darn difficult

for beginners

[tardy ingot]

its not that much more efficient that choke iirc

[latent obsidian]

R3A3 is a little tough

I don't remember the others being annoying though

[wintry kayak]

there's a reactor WITH a code hunt, and R3A2 is that genny cluster

[ocean spindle]

well like if u hve to choose, like lets say r4 and r5 harder levels are comparable
then u look into the b and a tiers to decide

and thats why a lot of people also choose r5 over r4

the e tier, r4 should win

but they look at r5 a tiers and say wtf

[wintry kayak]

right, but R2 rightfully claims its place behind R4 and R5 even though it does not have sectors

because R2D1 is actually pretty annoying, probably more so than R7D1

[latent obsidian]

I'd be tempted to put R7 as harder than R2 as well

[wintry kayak]

although R7D1 does have an annoying overload

especially bugged

[ocean spindle]

lets kinda just say, no bugs no sectors...
i still think r7d1 is harder

like an error alarm, two choices, a ton of charger scouts, and at the end they throw u a tank and snatcher

[wintry kayak]

it has checkpoints

[silver fable]

nah, r2d1 is only difficult in the sense that picking the cell-locked zone that goes down into the fog to open before the one that goes upstairs makes your life pain

[tardy ingot]

still no

[ocean spindle]

i guess thats true
i said w/o bugs but that just makes a bigger case for those doesnt it

oops

not w/o checkpojnts, w/o bugs

i am dumb

[tardy ingot]

No. They look at all levels and say damn

[wintry kayak]

yep oh well I think checkpoints shouldnt be in the game anyways

they just offer opportunities for newbies to hit a brick wall

[silver fable]

A tiers no; B tiers with optionals I'd start to count because I can at least drop into them duo and notice that r5's B tiers are actually difficult, whereas r4's aren't

[tardy ingot]

R2 B levels are around R6 (maybe a tad harder) level unironically

The C tiers are massively in 6 favor same for D tiers honestly

The reason why many people rank them similarly is cuz E1 exists and evens out the C and D tier adcantage somewhat

[wintry kayak]

R6 D tiers are decently hard yes, and theres 5 of them

but the rundown doesn't have an E1

[tardy ingot]

r5>r4>r7>r6/r2>r3>>>r1 is commonly thought of

[ocean spindle]

wouldnt u say r5 a tiers are way harder than r4s?

[tardy ingot]

r3 on a per tier basis is harder than rundown 2

[ocean spindle]

or am i misunderstandin

[wintry kayak]

I can also get behind this list

[tardy ingot]

but it doesnt have enough C and D and no E tier

[wintry kayak]

its very subjective depending on what levels you remember and which ones you struggled on in the past I guess

[silver fable]

I guess in the case of r5a2ov yes? but it's kind of a minor aberration

[wintry kayak]

it's just that R3D1 is not really a final challenge

[tardy ingot]

Im not thinking of where i struggled on in the past :|

If we go for pure difficulty then i dont have an issue remembering everything perfectly anyhow

[tardy ingot]

Nah. Its that r3 is like r1, small and lacks later tier levels

[wintry kayak]

that too

[tardy ingot]

R5 A tiers are definetly more challenging than R4 lol

[wintry kayak]

what if we do per level label 👀

[ocean spindle]

id say a1 is also harder, the extreme is just more long and a bit harder to defend since evry alarm is like 5 cm close to eachother, while in r4 u kinda have doors for all of em

[wintry kayak]

what kind of skewed image would that give

[tardy ingot]

i mean, wait for R8

Im gonna force black dragon (and probably ray) to do a full level ranking

[wintry kayak]

I shall do one as well

possibly

[ocean spindle]

ill do a tier list n post it im gtfo media

:]

[wintry kayak]

I have time actually but we gotta make sure we're straight on assumptions

no checkpoints, all sectors, no bugs, no cheese

capiche?

[latent obsidian]

capoosh

[ocean spindle]

captions

... whatcha mean by level label

:]

[wintry kayak]

nah not by level label rn

rn we do all levels

[ocean spindle]

ah oki

[tardy ingot]

1. obviously
2. i usually do one with and one without
3. obviously
4. depends

[lone mortar]

[wintry kayak]

but by level label I meant hardest A1, hardest A2, etc

but that was just because I'm curious if R6 somehow ended up on top because of its surplus of D and C levels

[latent obsidian]

hardest B4 🤔 (oh there are 2 actually lol)

[wintry kayak]

R6BX??? jkjk wait thats B3

[ocean spindle]

is there another rundown with a d4?

no right?

[latent obsidian]

no

[ocean spindle]

damn

[wintry kayak]

not even a D3 I dont think

[lone mortar]

[ocean spindle]

no yeah, or
well
r4 i think?
i dont remember

[latent obsidian]

Nah Grogu is right

[wintry kayak]

so it has D3, D4, DX, BX, CX

[ocean spindle]

nope

[wintry kayak]

unique

[ocean spindle]

ok

[silver fable]

to be clear on my opinion on this, my contention is that people "commonly" have r7 and r2 too high, not that people have r6 too low

[ocean spindle]

i mean the Xs r a given :b

[wintry kayak]

tier for tier D levels I should place R6 higher

[silver fable]

and at this point I think it's probably just duos mindset vs 4man mindset or something

[wintry kayak]

possibly

I dont remember R1C2

anyone got a refresher?

[latent obsidian]

charger intro

[silver fable]

like, I started duoing r6 with ahto with the mentality of, "if we can duo the 4man game then the rundown is probably not in a particularly healthy place challenge-wise"

[ocean spindle]

pds

[latent obsidian]

find partial decoders

[silver fable]

and then when we managed to duo r6 and r7 came out, I thought "if they've addressed players' complaints about r6 being too easy, then we shouldn't be able to duo r7"

[latent obsidian]

Maybe you just got better?

[silver fable]

I don't really think so

like, I think our massive improvement phase was like mid-r6

[wintry kayak]

yo if I make a difficulty list

is it tier for tier

or all of them

[latent obsidian]

honestly mate just do it on vibes

[wintry kayak]

ok I do tier for tier

[silver fable]

the way I rank the rundowns is "hey what's the cluster of levels that gave me trouble in this rundown"

[wintry kayak]

that's what I do but it makes my opinions lobsided

[latent obsidian]

I'm thinking about it similarly

What level has a segment I'd feel less confident going through and trying to do again?

[silver fable]

like, if I'm going to offer a difficulty scale for new players, it's going to be completely alien from what I would use to understand how levels hit me

so like, trying to order B tiers by how someone who's just adapted to A tiers is going to find them, then C tiers for people coming from B tiers, etc., I think that's just not workable

so I imagine a crew of experienced players, put them in the level, and if the level is so easy that they're not going to notice fluctuations in difficulty, I probably start pulling players out

[dry pumice]

What do you mean by pulling out

[silver fable]

I mean low-man playthroughs pick up on difficulty that a competent 4man kinda just blasts through

[dry pumice]

So you just come back to duo

[silver fable]

ya

imo if competent 4mans blow through your content in a few days following release and then just kinda leave the game until the next content drop, then how else can you grade it?

[dry pumice]

Lower your expectations i guess. Maybe like a pub. 1 top performer, 2 okays and 1 guy who is just there.

[latent obsidian]

Why would you do that kind of mental gymnastics when you can just evaluate how it was with a duo if you've done that?

[silver fable]

pub skill expression is such a jagged surface as to take meaning out of "ranking for pubs"

you could be decent at killing waves but kinda ammo-inefficient but incapable of meleeing a scout but good at building funnels, etc

there are too many capabilities that intermediate players vary wildly on their competencies with

[dry pumice]

Alright, then just average out hitchance at 75% and put a debuff om decision making. Like it takes them 25% longer to understand what the game is doing and what should be done in response.

From that point a lot of high tier missions are just brutal.

The winning strategy always seems to be "just go" and brute forcing your way with appropriate ammo and tool expenditure.

None of that "what do we do, what do we do" panic

[hidden ridge]

I feel like there's a point where it doesn't really matter a lot. There's knowing game mechanics, knowing what the strats for the map, and mechanical skills (mostly aiming tbh, which makes a real difference and is harder to grasp than most stuff)

Number 3 is definitively the pivotal point since, after a bit, people might know game mechanics by sheer exposure to them, and you can look/ask the strats around

It's also something to consider when you ask yourself how hard a map is

[wintry kayak]

almost finished

cant wait to get roasted

[hidden ridge]

One of the reasons why newbies find R1C1 harsh is because they dont know how reactors work etc

[dry pumice]

Eh, its mostly the hybrid super wave that gets them

And maybe supply concerns

[hidden ridge]

Yes because they resist at reactor room so good luck finding supplies after the previous zone

[minor fractal]

A lot of things can go wrong, tbh.

Bad hold spot, used 3 sentries for every wave and ran out of tool, couldn't out-shoot hybrid wave + smalls, etc.

[hidden ridge]

the sentries I get, but not killing 3hybrids 3 giants kinda goes on the point of "mechanical skill" (aiming hard)

Holding in the chokes alleviates the problem a good deal imho

[latent obsidian]

@wintry kayak is the point of this list to rate the ones that are difficult for their tier more highly?

I don't think I get your "tier for tier" thing otherwise

[wintry kayak]

yes

basically

it's a composition of 5 tier lists

each tier has their own list

[latent obsidian]

I see

[silver fable]

I'm so confused

[wintry kayak]

tell me

[latent obsidian]

Simple explanation: The higher up it is the harder than you'd expect for its tier

[wintry kayak]

yes

[minor fractal]

That's even worse.

[wintry kayak]

?

[minor fractal]

R4E1 is piss vs. R5E1.

[wintry kayak]

R5E1 I can do more consistently than R4E1

hell we ran R5E1 three times in a row this wednesday and we never struggled

although two of those were cellskip so that wouldnt count for this list

[latent obsidian]

Okay so R6D2 being so high is weird

[minor fractal]

I'm not sure how you int in R4E1 that hard.

[wintry kayak]

R6D2 I struggled with

[latent obsidian]

You're saying thats the 2nd hardest D tier in the game?

[silver fable]

I have this one neat sentry trick that'll push r5b2 right out of S

[wintry kayak]

basically, it is on the verge of A tier

[silver fable]

probably ex uplink

[wintry kayak]

R6D3 and R6D2 are about equals to me

but D2 is a bit harder imo

D3 learning the level is harder but execution is easier

[latent obsidian]

R2D2 should not be listed as easier than R2D1

[silver fable]

when I say I duo'd r6, I'll confess to cheesing d2ex uplink

shit's too hard for a noob like me

[dry pumice]

I forgot D2 already... Oh right, crossroads.

[wintry kayak]

R2D2 is definitely easier than R2D1

[silver fable]

unironically hardest part of r6d3 is main reactor, which is for sure easier than d2ex

[wintry kayak]

charger t scan go beep

blue level

mothers

errors

fun

[latent obsidian]

Maybe this is duo head but R2D1 was a joke compared to R2D2 which took a lot of time to get right

Can I get a third opinion here?

[silver fable]

disagree on raw apm terms, code rounds 7/8 and 9/10 are pretty brutal

[hidden ridge]

The "struggling" part thought should be a bit... less subjective? Like, I did R5E1 on second try while it took me like 15-20 tries to get R4E1 Extreme (barring the ones that died before turning off ||tank error|| is probably like 10), but I understand this doesn't mean that is THAT much harder than R5E1

[silver fable]

and r2d1 is barely a d level

[wintry kayak]

yep and so that pushed R6D2 up because I don't wanna drop D3 from a

[hidden ridge]

😆

[latent obsidian]

R7E1 should be lower down the list than it is

[wintry kayak]

R2D2 gives you a really easy spot to defend

[hidden ridge]

R2D1 is literally the "do it this way", the map, there's very few shit that can go wrong in it if you know what to do

[wintry kayak]

where you can defend all the waves from one side

[latent obsidian]

What exactly in R2D1 is challenging?

[hidden ridge]

The same can be applied to R2D2 mayhaps but to a lesser extent

[wintry kayak]

not having your team int because they have been playing a boring level for 1.5 to 2 hours

[ocean spindle]

i want answers to my question too

[hidden ridge]

just pull shit in the fog

[latent obsidian]

Also R6DX on the same level as R2D1 lol

[wintry kayak]

oh ask in here please

[latent obsidian]

R6DX is much harder than R2D1

[ocean spindle]

why is R3A3 the most rated R3 level when B2 and D1 and C1 are right there
:3

[latent obsidian]

simply by virtue of the staircase

[silver fable]

much harder on my graphics card for sure

[wintry kayak]

R6DX was a candidate for B tier but R7D1 OL and R7D2 were harder to get down for me

[latent obsidian]

oh god where have you put R7D1...

[wintry kayak]

the fps contributes to the difficulty sure

[latent obsidian]

oh lord...

[wintry kayak]

it's per tier

[wintry kayak]

where did you want it? it's slightly above average difficulty

[latent obsidian]

I think level knowledge helps a lot with this one but R7D1 isn't really very hard

[hidden ridge]

So R4B3 PE is the hardest B ever?

[wintry kayak]

can I get a third opinion on this one?

[latent obsidian]

I'd knock R7D1 down a couple tiers I think

[ocean spindle]

whats that?

[wintry kayak]

shit did I imply that?

[hidden ridge]

I am having trouble understanding what your chart is supposed to do?

[wintry kayak]

nah R5B2 is harder

R4B3 is A tier sure I agree on that one

[latent obsidian]

I've not actually played the new R5B2 yet but I didn't think it was that bad

[hidden ridge]

R5B1 is still harder than R4B3

[latent obsidian]

I think I remember R4B3 being worse

[hidden ridge]

R4B3 is just a chore, that's all

[wintry kayak]

R5B1 is not that bad

[silver fable]

depends on snatcher count

[wintry kayak]

no bugs

[hidden ridge]

I did that shit with bots lel

[wintry kayak]

is what I said

[latent obsidian]

one snatcher I assume

[wintry kayak]

so 1 snatcher

[silver fable]

like a C or D with 1 snatcher I guess

I think 2 snatchers per wave would be fair in r7d1ov

[wintry kayak]

I put it in B and I stand behind that

it is not easy even with 1 snatcher

that charger class 10

and the error class 5

[silver fable]

you can just do stealth

[waxen jetty]

wtf is hard about r4b3

[wintry kayak]

with snatcher error?

[silver fable]

ya, just leave stealth area when snatchers show up

you can also spawn block pretty reliably

like if you need to be deep in mommy room, having a teammate parked outside the zone with a choke mod solves that

[wintry kayak]

uh it's a bit of everything, there are some surprises and it takes forever to do which really drags some teams down

it's not actually S though I put it in A according to what sleepo said

it is not comparable to R5B2

or R7B3 for that matter

I split it in 5 yes?

or no

@hidden ridge

[waxen jetty]

u can solo r4b3 in 1h20

[wintry kayak]

it's probably doable yes but you'd have to be very skilled at the game

[waxen jetty]

^^;

[wintry kayak]

plus by that logic you can solo any B in 1h20

[silver fable]

...yeah r4b3 is just kinda boring

[civic wave]

almost as if the people doing solo

are skilled at the game

[soft crater]

[wintry kayak]

this is true but I can claim "you can solo ... in 1h20" and it could apply to any level below like C tier

[waxen jetty]

cannot do that to r5b2

[wintry kayak]

not sure about that one

[latent obsidian]

R6DX is weird cos most of the level is totally fine

but the end bit is really rough, maybe cos I can't run it well lol

[wintry kayak]

if you can do R4B3 solo in 1h20 you can probably do the same to R5B2

[silver fable]

disagree

[wintry kayak]

I think the end bit is fine if your game doesnt freeze every 3 frames

[mossy aurora]

What in r6d2 did you find particularly difficult

[hidden ridge]

I think it'd be easier to read, yes

[silver fable]

probably ex uplink

[wintry kayak]

but people start to panic because low fps makes everything look faster

[mossy aurora]

Ex uplink you can get like 70% done if you save cfoam

Before you even see an enemy

[wintry kayak]

overall it's a very unforgiving level

[latent obsidian]

the ex uplink is still pretty hard which is why its A

but I think S is unwarranted

[hidden ridge]

this tbh

[silver fable]

this is probably duos speaking, but imo it's the hardest thing in the rundown

[wintry kayak]

it's wrong to put it in the same tier as R6D3 (which belongs in A) and it's wrong to put it in the same tier as R5D1 and that DEFINITELY belongs in S tier

[hidden ridge]

I remember many people just didnt open the extra door to lower fog, planted one in terminal zone so block spawn and foam guy outside bulk to foam doors

[latent obsidian]

well yeah its a double uplink so thats gonna be really rough as duo

[hidden ridge]

I'd agree with you if error charger path did not exist

[wintry kayak]

mines go boom

[hidden ridge]

Exactly

R6D2 mom path is less forgiving

[silver fable]

yeah this is one of those places where duos skew things for sure, mostly due to tools

[latent obsidian]

tools + 0 dedicated defenders

[wintry kayak]

R6D2 mom path is probably hardest safe stealth in any level

there are some other contenders

[hidden ridge]

"""""safe"""""

[silver fable]

duos also skew r2e1, mostly because 4mans get a whole lot of extra heavy carry automatically

[wintry kayak]

safe as in no error, no time pressure

[hidden ridge]

I stealthed that shit by abusing bots

[mossy aurora]

The main difficulty in r6d2 was when the only 2 people on the team who could shoot their guns were also the only two that knew how to do uplinks

[latent obsidian]

Yeah the mum path is pretty gross so I never go there

[hidden ridge]

I'm under no impression that it'd not be unforgiving if you fuck it up thought

[wintry kayak]

I honestly think R2E1 is a playground and shouldnt be in the same tier as R7E1

[latent obsidian]

I feel like I'm in the minority who thinks R2E1 is pretty tough

[mossy aurora]

R6D3 is a lot more solo carryable by one person but overall not much easier than r6d2 imo

[latent obsidian]

I may not have enough experience at the end section, and the OG might be colouring my opinion too

[hidden ridge]

I think it's the easiest E

Which still means it's tough

[latent obsidian]

I'd have said R7E1 was easier

[silver fable]

I recall this being kind of the rayalot take

[hidden ridge]

Debatable at that point, I feel like you can fuck up very little when you are at reactor

[wintry kayak]

I feel like R2E1s "special mechanics" (every E has some sort of new special mechanics) are so trivial right now that we don't flinch anymore

[latent obsidian]

Both levels have a very rough ending

I think perhaps my strengths lie more in stealthing than shooting

[hidden ridge]

I like R7E1 because it's "dense" and doesn't have MUCH padding (maybe desert but whatever)

[soft crater]

My group be like.
2 shooters/terminal
1 cantshoot/can't terminal/ has desync because Columbia
1 Giga Chad Bishop(not giga)

[wintry kayak]

I like R7E1 because it feels like a puzzle

and sure we've solved it by now

but I like the concept

[hidden ridge]

I like it because after 1 hour you're either done or dead

[mossy aurora]

R2E1 is a lot harder when 2 or 3 of the guys are just standing around in the last zone, no one finding resources, no one moving baby, no one pinging cell, no one saving doors

[wintry kayak]

I used to play destiny and running R7E1 felt like a day 1 raid

[mossy aurora]

End is pretty easy if people know what they should be doing, even if they aren't great players

[wintry kayak]

R2E1 is very tough if you forget something in the chaos of the last error

[silver fable]

I guess the thing I have to say here, is that not even a duo gets drowned by waves in r7e1, it's mostly a test of sequencing and not blundering things

[civic wave]

or when people don't quite have the decision making process down
"Let's push into the fog with our heavy objects to get closer to the surge"
when the room isn't cleared
and is full of 10 sleepers
and the error wave has spawned in

[mossy aurora]

Worst part about r7e1 is scout bug

[silver fable]

so it's really weird comparing r2e1 to r7e1

[mossy aurora]

Makes it s tier difficult

[wintry kayak]

but by now shadow giants (which were new) are trivial and we "solved" the surges by abusing ladder foam

so I feel like its not that tough

[silver fable]

the time I completed r7e1 duo, was the time that scout bug happened after I got code, rather than before

[civic wave]

if you're foaming the ladder then yeah r2e1 is probably easier

but if you're foaming ladder I have some opinions on you

[hidden ridge]

R7E1 has a lot of mechanics that R2E1 doesn't have, really. There's snatchers, pablo, BBCs, moms, a reactor...

It has a LOT of shit packed into it

R2E1 has surges, carrying baby with error, and hybrids (well and shadows but whatever, R7E1 has those too)

[civic wave]

yeah, more enemy variety/interesting objective but I'd say that r2e1 is more testing

[wintry kayak]

we do what we do I'm afraid

[hidden ridge]

Consider that waking up pmom on R7E1 is a death sentence for most groups

What's the equivalent of that in R2E1?

[wintry kayak]

we woke her up twice and still cleared it

granted that was a drunk run with supply efficiency

[hidden ridge]

gz I guess

[wintry kayak]

Pmoms don't seem too challenging anymore after playing legacy levels with Pmom errors

[civic wave]

I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't use cheese and boosters to gage level difficulty

[hidden ridge]

Pmom alone no but all the shit in that zone yes

I also dont give a shit about pmom in R3D1 but that's a pmom and that's it

[wintry kayak]

true but I still think R7E1 is harder than R2E1 because it's just got more stuff to worry about

[wintry kayak]

we had her in last room before reactor

[hidden ridge]

oh then we agree I guess?

[wintry kayak]

that's how I put it on my tier list

[wintry kayak]

.

@latent obsidian I agree with some of your changes to the tier list but are you aware that moving R6D4 up and R6D2 down puts them in the same tier?

which I don't agree with

[latent obsidian]

I'm okay with that

[wintry kayak]

okay fair

it's subjective I guess

I could pump R6D4 up a bit, it is pretty challenging

long and versatile

[hidden ridge]

Well with 7 layers for that chart only, there must be some compromise

[wintry kayak]

I guess R6D4's absence of sectors makes it not that hard imo

[hidden ridge]

Unless you start doing the "leftmost is hardest of that tier" but it gets bizzarre imho

[wintry kayak]

but it is definitely the hardest main

of all D levels probably

[wintry kayak]

nahhh not with this confusing ass mix of tiers

R6D4 borders the line with E as a main. I think it got nerfed as well so if it did not have checkpoints OG (prenerf) R6D4 might have been an E

[latent obsidian]

idk about the alt version but R5D2 wasn't too easy for me back in the day

and that was just main

[wintry kayak]

R5D2 is still tough

[hidden ridge]

They got rid of an alarm and a zone

[wintry kayak]

R5D2 belongs in A where it is now

if you ask me

[hidden ridge]

other shit I miss but I basically never played og for real, just ran it once and failed and stopped

[latent obsidian]

Yeah I wouldn't move it but just in terms of "main only"

[wintry kayak]

yeah in terms of main only it could get bumped

[latent obsidian]

I'd say it contends with R6D4

[wintry kayak]

main only would shake up the whole list

[wintry kayak]

not sure about this one

[icy cave]

No you lying m8

It was not if R7 was hard

It's if R7 was harder than R6 and it is

[wintry kayak]

yunno what

[icy cave]

R7 is a jk

[wintry kayak]

I did put D4 too low

it should be in A

it should be same tier as R5D2

even if they are different difficulties

[icy cave]

I never said R7 was hard. man be inventing BS out here

[mossy aurora]

I only played og r5d2 couple of times but the tile layout made the 3rd code a lot easier to get imo

Pulling that 1st room was a lot easier

[hearty aspen]

anyone here actually use machine pistol?

[dry pumice]

I want to but keep forgetting.

Too loyal to my Bullpup wife

[hearty aspen]

honestly it feel like a damage traded for ammo smg for me

[dry pumice]

It's backwards actually

It just... Doesn't hit anything

It is pretty brainless though. Just hip fire into center mass

[hearty aspen]

yeah,it is less accurate

then again hel auto exist

and do the job better

[ocean spindle]

no not really

machinep is really short range so tis made to just get face to face with an enemy and empty bullets in em

very aggresive combat, and it can kill an enemy surprisingly fast

hel autop is just stagger, its the same thing but w/o most of the dmg

since machinep is 1.8 and autop is 1

[fathom fjord]

Hey guys, quick question regarding the Bio Tracker. Why does it feel like the bots have like double range and zero cooldown compared to when I use it ? Are there any techniques or tricks I'm missing ?

[latent obsidian]

Nope, the bots just cheat

[ocean spindle]

yeah :]

[fathom fjord]

It feels a bit unfair to be honest but ok.

Thanks guys

[hearty aspen]

yeah the bot basically just cheat,simple at that,it a bot afterall

[dry pumice]

Hmm

Actually he's right

If wiki is to be believed uzi deals like 0,05 less damage than smg

It compensates with higher RPM and 30% more ammo

[ocean spindle]

it just got i think less range and more recoil to control

but u can workaround those

ads the only recoil it has is going up

[drowsy hawk]

god damn it so this is what i got pinged for

[drowsy hawk]

it allows balancing since a player can call out white markers on bio while a bot cannot

[fathom fjord]

I can hardly call that balanced. I can go through rooms without relying on the biotracker, but it becomes very useful during alarms and against shadows. I would love to have the opportunity to learn how to use the biotracker as efficiently as the bot so we can have 4 human players in a team without zero drawbacks, but it's impossible.

[ocean spindle]

a good bio player just kinda feels like a bot, its not instant and not always but they should b able to ping very wave like nicely

depends on the tile

[drowsy hawk]

while yes you may be able to do it without relying now you gotta remember situations such as deep in fog during stealth and stealth in rooms with invis

bio def makes a large difference in situations like those if you can see the white dots

[sturdy glen]

you rarely need as much ping range as bots give

its nice but you dont really need to see them as far out as they spawn

[ocean spindle]

same for shadows in like every situation

[sturdy glen]

the time it dos matter is shadow alarms

in which players do not have the CD ability to keep everything pinged the entire time

[drowsy hawk]

yeah i wish player bio got a bit of a buff to cd or range

rn if your fine with stealthing without bio helping you its just objectively better to have it on a bot

fog isnt a big enough deal and a single person on thermal basically makes invis redundant while asleep

[minor fractal]

Bot just needs to cheat less tbh.

But also, it really doesn't matter for competent teams.

[drowsy hawk]

yeah its just weird that bot is so extreme with how much better it is

i do think a range buff would be nice since the range feels so short

not even a big one since area of a circle and all that

[minor fractal]

The range is fine if you know what you're doing.

[drowsy hawk]

yeah it just feels less valuable to not be able to ping until you can hear them busting down a door

comparative to a bot who you know how many there are the moment they spawn

[minor fractal]

I mean, that's not the value of tags in my mind.

It's usually just to keep track of how many enemies in a wave are still up once they've reached you.

[drowsy hawk]

yeah its really just a question of usage i suppose

either way bio is still great but busted on bots

[tardy ingot]

No, bio is already giga strong

bot bio is honestly boring af

makes a lot of the gameplay just automatic and reduces shadows to meh enemies

[drowsy hawk]

pov 1000 hour comments on how the gameplay feels automatic

[upper ginkgo]

sleeper -> neuron activation -> shoot

[soft crater]

Only 1000?

[next socket]

Y'all haven't trained an AI on your gameplay so the game plays itself??

[soft crater]

The AI can communicate and play with LFG pubs and hard carry on their own

Smfh

[next socket]

Why else do we have #lfg-beginners

So ppl can play with humans and not AI carry

[past mesa]

There is a self learning ai in matchmaking

It isn’t very good

[next socket]

Is there actually??

[past mesa]

Yeah the fucker

Can move

To objectives

[sturdy glen]

make it play the chat gpt rundown

[tardy ingot]

Imagine being only a 1000 hour play :^ )

Anyhow, bot bio actually makes pinging automatic (duh) and this removes that aspect (which has been a basic one of the game) from the players

[drowsy hawk]

yeah im joking

[next socket]

Yeah but pinging enemies is dog shit easy

I see no difference other than bots have 360 ping which is kinda op

[past mesa]

Yet people still mess it up

[upper ginkgo]

bio tracker skill ceiling??

[next socket]

Skill of the upmost unfortunate issue

[past mesa]

I like bio storage

[next socket]

How to mess it up?

Face enemy press ping

[upper ginkgo]

mfw tool skill is based on exploiting unintentional mechanics

[past mesa]

Ping to early, forget don’t manage their reloads

[next socket]

"oh no I pressed the reboot button not ping button of shit oh frigck"

[next socket]

Doesn't the tracker show you when it's pingable?

[icy cave]

You are welcome

[upper ginkgo]

it's more like you could have waited a bit longer to ping more enemies

[minor fractal]

Fairly sure the cone has a different shape than displayed, and also reaches much further than the screen shows.

[past mesa]

The beep is what you hear sleepers are ping able before they are on the screen

[upper ginkgo]

or not pinging until the mine pops

[next socket]

You wait for pingable, then wait a bit for the back side of the wave to be in range

And scan

[past mesa]

Pinging to early for blood doors

[next socket]

It's not fucking calculus

[minor fractal]

Depending on the situation I wait to stop hearing the "entered range" sound. \

[past mesa]

And people are still messing it up

[next socket]

Bots have exact timing on this >:)

[soft crater]

[next socket]

Kinda funny tbh

[soft crater]

I ping lockers and terminals like bots

[upper ginkgo]

so much skill being expressed

[next socket]

Me: finishes using a terminal

Bot: "terminal here"

[past mesa]

I have entered a new phase in gtfo

I don’t think bot bio is that broken

I think it might be there 2nd worst tool

[drowsy hawk]

is cfoam the worst?

[past mesa]

Yeah

[arctic marten]

what about auto sentry

[past mesa]

Sentries are just good on bots

[drowsy hawk]

i think there best is mines because they will save you the effort of manually regrabbing mines that dont get used

[past mesa]

I think best is sentry purely because I rather have mines bio on human players

And c foam is just really unseable for them

[drowsy hawk]

yeah but im lazy

[covert remnant]

I have been holding off on using hammer cause everybody always said it's "da best"

I used it some today and...it's pretty sweet. I am knife enthusiast but that hammer is pretty freakin' sweet.

[drowsy hawk]

knife is worse in basically every way but its more fun

[past mesa]

It is just you can do the most things with it

The easiest

[upper ginkgo]

who brings foam anymore

[past mesa]

Bread

Heard he was still foaming ladders

[drowsy hawk]

unironically i dont remember the last time i took foam into a level

[arctic marten]

i love foaming the ladders in gtfo the game

[covert remnant]

The only one I haven't really put time on is the bat. Maybe try that one out.

[past mesa]

Bat is just a knife hammer hybrid thing

[covert remnant]

I was using C-Foam on R2D1. 😭 Is that a bad play with bots? I foamed floor in front of sentries and outside blood doors to buy time for the turrets.

[arctic marten]

just use mines lol

[tardy ingot]

pinging is easy
Pinging well isnt

[dry pumice]

Good idea on paper and probably how devs hoped it to be used

Horribly inefficient though

You use foam to delay enemies, not kill them

[covert remnant]

I had been using mines but that wasn't working too well for me on that zone. I usually do bring mine deployer.

[tardy ingot]

they dont

They just insta reping on say shadows. Players can ping shadow blood doors too early and mess it up

[icy cave]

It's still OP af

negating alarms like that

[drowsy hawk]

my problem is i dont enjoy permafoaming as a baseline and generally cfoam not on a door is just wasted cfoam

dont need to cfoam enemies anymore since i know how to melee em all

[icy cave]

Door or ladder*

[past mesa]

Blood doors are a mine check

[drowsy hawk]

doing a door isnt really that big a deal imo

and ladder is abusable ye

still not worth taking it in a slot imo

[icy cave]

Difference between one wave or 3, 4, 5 waves

Pretty huge impact on ammo

[soft grotto]

so... instead of C-foam, what would be the reccomendation for better handling waveclear? 1 of every sentry and a bioscan?

[past mesa]

3 burst sentry

[drowsy hawk]

i usually run 2 sentries mines and bio

[past mesa]

Yup

[icy cave]

Nah foam is still better as you will negate all waves bar 1. that one wave is gone with a mine

[drowsy hawk]

mines are based for blood doors

[icy cave]

Don't listen to the plebs

[sturdy glen]

foam is good, just boring

[drowsy hawk]

djdna just likes thick white fluid

[icy cave]

I'm innocent dunno what that is

[tardy ingot]

Honestly, shooting an alarm where sentries do 90% of the work isnt any more exciting

[icy cave]

#virginpowah

[crystal heart]

dump question, im new tho

whats the main difference between R1 and R3 and stuff?

just the difficulty?

[arctic marten]

r1 is older

[icy cave]

Levels, enemies, objectives,

everything

[drowsy hawk]

basically just variety and a bit more difficulty

[crystal heart]

so R2 is compared to R1 not speciffically more difficult but just .. different?

[drowsy hawk]

r3 c1 and r3 d1 imo where easily harder than anything in r1

[icy cave]

It depends per run down

[crystal heart]

so basically i should just play R1 through and then go to R2 ?

[drowsy hawk]

id say its more difficult generally because variety forces better planning and actual gamesense

[icy cave]

From ez to hard it would be: R1->R3->R2/R6->R7->R4->R5

[crystal heart]

ahh ok

[icy cave]

But yeah just do R1 and then in order

[crystal heart]

oh lol ok. Thx!

[icy cave]

This is countered by the fact R4 and R5 are harder than R7

[drowsy hawk]

if your having a hard time with say r1c1 dont be afraid to do r2a1 or r2b1 since generally the lower letter grades are easier

[drowsy hawk]

like i said generally

[icy cave]

sadly this time I must agree here

what a world

[drowsy hawk]

that and there isnt much difference from r4 to r7 beyond a few standout enemies

atleast not compared to r1 being so bland

[icy cave]

Definitely, R1 is by far the most basic (and bland) get that shit over with asap

crap I'm agreeing more now

[drowsy hawk]

kek

cant have that

[icy cave]

Quick what's your take on reactors

[drowsy hawk]

ill be back to say more controversial shit later no worries

[drowsy hawk]

boring ofc

[icy cave]

You obviously have no clue what you talking about filthy casul

Aaaah somehow it feels better now

[vague bridge]

good melee practice

[tardy ingot]

subtonix what opinion did you have early on again?
You said Either mine or bio are useless :^ )

[drowsy hawk]

peace has been restored to the server

[icy cave]

May the balance stay in place

[drowsy hawk]

oh that yeah i just dragged people through that arguement to piss people off

[icy cave]

I like this guy's modus operandi

Not his takes tho !

[drowsy hawk]

i ran mines and bio regularly back then altho i did still very much so dislike running bio myself

to much effort

[vague bridge]

i could see an argument for no bio

[drowsy hawk]

devils advocate is my favorite game but i genuinely hate reactors and that ones not a lie

[lone locust]

I could never run no bio
I'm blind without the triangles

[tardy ingot]

when

[icy cave]

You are lost soul forever

[tardy ingot]

the only times is challenge runs of any kind (speed/non full team/special loadouts)

[icy cave]

Done with R4?

[drowsy hawk]

havent played in 3 months because everyone in my group is busy with work and or college

[icy cave]

Ah life

[drowsy hawk]

be like that sometimes

[icy cave]

Ok but that's why you don't like reactors haven't played good ones besides R2D2

[drowsy hawk]

no they are just bad

[vague bridge]

cases where you might run real low on tool

[icy cave]

you are bad

[vague bridge]

not saying its a good idea

[drowsy hawk]

if that was the case r2d2 wouldnt have been my least favorite

[vague bridge]

but biotracker doesn't directly kill enemies and could be replaced

[tardy ingot]

bio litteraly reduces tool consumption :|

[drowsy hawk]

since calling r7d1 a reactor is apparently heresy even tho the gameplay is identical

🥱

[icy cave]

You gon love R4 and R5 then I guess

[vague bridge]

what if the level has little to no tool

[icy cave]

Cause it aint

[drowsy hawk]

if i ever get to play them kek

[tardy ingot]

Its not identical

Unless you think 2+3 = 4

[icy cave]

It might be better if you don't get to play em

[tardy ingot]

Still bio

[drowsy hawk]

whats the difference you put in code, get downtime, get waves of enemies, and get more code

same loop slightly different

[tardy ingot]

theres no level where you have so little tool that the base amount matters that much UNLESS you ignore looting

[tardy ingot]

its at best similar to a short wave reactor hunt

[icy cave]

Enemies stop spawning in between waves, it's a complete stop and you need to restart. It's actually also a dual code

[vague bridge]

i guess that is true

[icy cave]

2 people needed instead of 1

[tardy ingot]

but you get actual unlimited downtime AND get punished with more than repeating the wave when failing

[icy cave]

AND punish enemies if you too late which reactor does not do

[drowsy hawk]

call it what you want but it wont change the fact its basically the same thing

komodo dragon and bearded dragons are both lizards

r7d1 and r1c1 are both reactors

[icy cave]

And totally different animals

[drowsy hawk]

precisely my point

[icy cave]

Nah your comparison would fit if it was R2D2 and R1C1

Not R7D1

it's just completely wrong

You are just salty on waves

soon you ll be saying uplinks are reactors as well !!!!

codes, waves, next code, yep checks out

[woeful basin]

someones salty

[lunar rain]

R7d1 is doing things with a baby

[arctic marten]

local gtfo players discover that the entire game is recycled content

[drowsy hawk]

point out a big enough difference in r7d1 and sure ill agree

until then its a reactor

[icy cave]

This at least is a True statement

[lunar rain]

My frames?

[icy cave]

already pointed out 3.

[drowsy hawk]

thats just r7d1

[icy cave]

that's 4

[mossy aurora]

a reactor shutdown is a glorified alarm

[drowsy hawk]

big enough clearly went over your head

[icy cave]

It's the only alarm where it does this.

[mossy aurora]

oh wait r7d1 not r1d1 nvm

[icy cave]

And a reactor startup is an upgraded uplink

[lunar rain]

R7d1 don’t you need two people basically? One to read the code to the other?

[drowsy hawk]

so it fits into 0 categories and therfore deserves to be categorized to the most similar thing which are reactors

[mossy aurora]

isnt it more similar to a corrupted uplink

[icy cave]

Nah it does not. why would it not be with uplinks then, dual uplinks exist?

Like bruh

You high on Bath salts m8

[lunar rain]

That should be a big enough difference should it not?

[drowsy hawk]

so your saying r7d1 is more similar to a dual uplink then a reactor and your sayin im high lmfao

[icy cave]

Yeah

got a problem?

[arctic marten]

despite being french, djdna is in fact correct here

[drowsy hawk]

i dont see the similarities at all beyond the fact there is 2 terminals

[icy cave]

you only say this cause it's 14 of july

[drowsy hawk]

but at the same time thats also how r2d2 works

[arctic marten]

it is the 12th of may

[icy cave]

😮

[icy cave]

Look you can stay in your pleb ways. I'm just glad balance is def restored

[arctic marten]

theres 2 terminals for all three of these things tho
one has a code and one takes a code

[lone locust]

R7D1 was a fucking trip

[icy cave]

and I hope you choke on the next reactor

😏

[drowsy hawk]

that map is fucking garbage beginning to end

[sturdy glen]

pfft

[lone locust]

I liked it

[past mesa]

Best map of gtfo

[sturdy glen]

new fight time

[past mesa]

I like the skip

[drowsy hawk]

i wont because i could sleep and still beat them they so piss easy

[lunar rain]

Neat concept just not optimized at all

[lone locust]

I hated how the fucking objective said something like ''Verify_uplink'' command but the actual command was ''Verify_connect''

[icy cave]

Discussion is not about being hard or not 😏

[drowsy hawk]

r7d1 is the only map in the game i will never replay

[past mesa]

Yeah bug since launch

[drowsy hawk]

kinda hard to choke on somethin soft

[arctic marten]

but its the pouncer testing map

certified classic

[lone locust]

We fucked up like 2-3 times before releasing that the command was wrong

[drowsy hawk]

well i gtg you all enjoy your "uplink" in r7d1 and maybe let this channel be used for its actual purpose so i can go back to ignoring it

[icy cave]

see you next time you have a horrible take ! 🤌

[drowsy hawk]

the only two you seem to not like are the fact i dislike reactors and think cfoam is a mediocre tool

[craggy pier]

most of the time u dont need cfoam

[icy cave]

Yeah I agree with pretty much the rest. But I would never say so

[craggy pier]

doesnt mean its bad

[icy cave]

wait

[craggy pier]

it has uses here n there

but im always happy to find a cfoam nade

[drowsy hawk]

its better that way because arguing about stupid shit like the usage of the word reactor is far more fun

[icy cave]

Back to the workfield you !

[craggy pier]

im sorry massa

[icy cave]

Good boy

[west lotus]

first time playing. how do you heal

[ocean spindle]

with medipacks :]

[soft crater]

LP syringes

[ocean spindle]

[west lotus]

is that the only way? thx ;]

[ocean spindle]

if ur on the tutorial

u will find em in a bit

[soft crater]

[west lotus]

help

[ocean spindle]

whut happened

[west lotus]

srry i was trying to type in game treminal

[ocean spindle]

im guessin ur in the first level right? whatcha need help with? :]

[west lotus]

yea first attempt and im trying to find a blue card

[ocean spindle]

so the command is 'QUERY KEY_BLUE_XXX'
this command basically consist of two parts, 'Query' which searched for an item in all of the level and tells u the zone, and the item, the keycard
u can also use this command for other items, ur now searchin for an HSU right? u can also query it with 'QUERY HSU_XXX'

:]

id suggest u like enter a terminal, and just input 'COMMANDS' on it
spend 10 15 minutes playin with it, u can see a lot of funky stuff with one!

[west lotus]

thx i will

[ocean spindle]

good luck with the run !

[winged turtle]

FUN FACT:
the terminal in the tutorial does not support the Commands commands ( :

[ocean spindle]

ohhh i may had misunderstood :]

i just noticed

fuck

[dry pumice]

😫

best game

[latent obsidian]

its actually so sad

[naive vale]

What does R2D1 entail?

[dry pumice]

central power cluster... hmmmmm

oh

I think its a moderately nasty generator cluster

Acquire 12.000 cells, stab them into some sockets, win the game

Emphasis on nasty

wink wink

[cold quarry]

r2d1 is a great level

the fog is coming!

[winged turtle]

its a slog
gl gl

[cold quarry]

honestly its a longer level but I like it more than others it's length

[turbid horizon]

This

[cold quarry]

like comparing it to pabulum? 4c2 I think it is?

pabulum SUCKS

[turbid horizon]

Unlike certain slogs

This one rewards you throughout

You can see the progress