gtfo-related-questions

[past mesa]

But doors you should focus on. Sometimes rushing scans won’t help you. Just clear and wiat stay alive

[median glacier]

oh the spawns arent infinite?

i was always under the impression until you finish the door the dont stop spawning, you cant just clear and scan later?

[upper ginkgo]

enemies will continually spawn until the alarm is over. they're trying to say that sometimes it's better to clear an entire wave of enemies before you scan to give you extra breathing room, since normal alarm waves don't respawn enemies instantly

[median glacier]

Oh gotcha

[silver fable]

scans can appear anywhere within the room you're in, though for some alarms the scans do tend to stick to particular parts of the room

enemies on the other hand spawn 2 rooms away as a rule

so your setup should focus on holding the room itself, not just some imagined limited space around the door you're trying to open

[soft crater]

casually sees striker spawn behind uplink terminal and down terminal guy

Still funny to me if in the right conditions. That can happen

[silver fable]

no, jank spawns never happen, stop besmirching this robust game

[soft crater]

If only that were true

Even than Jank spawns usually happen if you're doing some junk set up

[past mesa]

WHY ARENT THE REACOTR WAVES OVER

when the timer is done

[sterile citrus]

We had that happen and a darn striker was stuck on a wall like 3 rooms over.

[dusky tiger]

this seems like a silly question

is the high cal still good post nerf?

I always preferred the choke mod but wanna try out the HCP

[silver fable]

imo no

[dusky tiger]

aw

[silver fable]

people seem to think it's good at killing smalls

[dusky tiger]

i know it sucks with shooters

is it still good against chargers

[silver fable]

imo it's not great into bigs (not enough damage/clip), not great into smalls (waveclear specials like hel gun/veruta/arbalist/har/revolver just have far more capacity to kill waves), and terrible into chargers (25 damage into a 30hp enemy is oof)

[dusky tiger]

B r u h

well then

thanks for that
gonna avoid it

[silver fable]

but make up your own mind I guess

some people seem convinced that it's decent or even good

[dusky tiger]

yea no the moment I heard it doesnt 1 shot chargers I'm out

i am shooting a deagle
it better one shot normal stuff

[tardy ingot]

Its decent. Definetly not good

Its a good gun for newer players tho due to how easy it is to get maximum value from it

and yes fn

A beginner getting ~8 kills per refill on strikers with it will be better off than getting like 5 with a machine gun spray and pray

[silver fable]

sure, it's a "fine" newbie weapon

1taps the smalls, takes care of the scouts with a headshot

it does things that new players value

I don't know, I don't like the idea of noob trap guns with limited room to grow

[tardy ingot]

its not a trap lol

the gun isnt that bad

[silver fable]

I regard it as a trap if it's accessible but you can't get comparable performance to the rest of the specials out of it

[tardy ingot]

it can, until you are in the top 10% or so

[silver fable]

top 10% of players? levels?

[tardy ingot]

players. Tho levels is probably a bigger volume you shouldnt do (due to chargers now lol)

[silver fable]

I don't know how fair that is as a way to gauge things, since players outside the top 10% largely aren't playing at a level where the performance differences between guns really come into focus at all

[tardy ingot]

thats the point?

The gun is perfectly fine until you become rly good at the game. Then its on the lowish fine end since it has definite weaknesses (chargers) and other specials start outvaluing it due to rly good control and knowledge

[silver fable]

anyway, I think we disagree on balance philosophy here, and there's little more to be said really

[tardy ingot]

you always say other wave clear specials hard outvalue it due to efficiency.
Yes, in theory they do. But those always need specifics

Revolver needs headshots
Machine guns need very good control and headshots
Combat shotty needs low range and headshot

[silver fable]

I think the other waveclear specials have better throughput, not just better efficiency

[tardy ingot]

it also currently gets the 3rd highest dmg per refill (after combat shotty and burst cannon). Making it actually one of the more efficient „easy“ giant options (no hs/pen)

[silver fable]

tbh I think if this was just about ammo, high cal is fine

[tardy ingot]

I think you undervalue it as you grew to love r7 high cal a lot

I do agree that its far less adaptable and has a lower ceiling. But after the recent buffs its ammo numbers are a good counter balance for it to be ok as a gun. Not weak

[silver fable]

again, I don't care at all about the ammo numbers

you can think a gun is weak without thinking it gets bad ammo

I think it always had questionable uptime into waves (you even used to throw this at me when trying to convince me that r7 high cal was bad, nothing has changed), but now it's noticeably worse into bigs and horrendous into chargers

and you've already noted that its ceiling isn't up there with most of the other specials

I'd go further: a good player's typical capability with any of the other waveclear specials is significantly above high cal at its ceiling into smalls, bigs, and for most of them even chargers

again, I think we just have different balance philosophies

you think an accessible low-ceiling special is good for the game, I want specials to have comparable ceilings to one another

you'll notice I even softened my opinion above when I gave it: "imo no" instead of just "no", "make up your own mind", mentioning other people having more positive outlooks on it

you're never going to get me to say that current high cal is in a good place

[tardy ingot]

I said it wasnt as good as choke mod !

[silver fable]

choke is pretty bad into waves

like, balance-wise it has to be bad into waves

[tardy ingot]

oh that was your context there

nvm then

understood it differently

[silver fable]

I put the "high cal is a bit better into waves due to larger mag" argument in front of you and you rejected it

then they changed absolutely nothing and now I'm hearing "it's okay into waves"

[tardy ingot]

i argued that at highest gameplay choke mod firerate counteracted the somewhat bigger mag decently well

[tardy ingot]

its still ok into waves as it was before. Definetly far easier than choke mod in that regard

The gun obviously lacks a ceiling. But that just comes down to opinion on how gun balance should look

I think having a gun thats good for newer guys but doesnt stack up as well when you get good is perfectly fine

[silver fable]

imo it kinda sucks to say to an intermediate player, "yeah that high cal you've been getting attached to? uh, ditch it"

similarly I think "use hammer, using any other melee will stifle your development" is a correct sentiment, but a really unfortunate one

spear is ass, but new players like it, and imo they should have access with a growth trajectory with spear that nets out somewhere close to the ceiling of the hammer in the end

[cold quarry]

^^^ very true

whether or not that will happen in this games lifespan though

[past star]

Spear

[hidden ridge]

Considering Melee is a big part of the gameplay, I dont think they're gonna try to balance it any further

[silver fable]

I think there are viable directions to take spear

By contrast I like knife quite a bit more than spear, but I think knife is far harder to balance

[tardy ingot]

i do think knife is already fine as it is (the only thing they should fix is its hitbox being sharper)

nerf hammer stagger -> bat becomes more viable

spear :I

[silver fable]

knife is fine in the sense that it has a firm niche

[tardy ingot]

yep

not everything has to be awesome good

[hidden ridge]

I'll be sincere with you, I'd find it scummy to nerf hammer after so many rundowns of it being what it is

[tardy ingot]

just nerf stagger down

no need to have 100 stagger dmg

does it make sense? yes
is it needed? no

[hidden ridge]

I think, if anything, they'll buff the other melees a bit

[tardy ingot]

...

[silver fable]

I don't think it's healthy that hammer is the everything melee that basically needs to be mastered to progress in the game

[hidden ridge]

It's not but at this point it's inevitable isn't it? Game only had hammer for 5 rundowns

[silver fable]

like, I think the right balance of hammer would make it viable in every level

but I also think a similar thing for the rest of the melees

[hidden ridge]

Enemies were also built with hammer in mind

[tardy ingot]

thats why nerf stagger, its the only buff it got for r6

[hidden ridge]

it was just way too late in the game's dev cycle imho to add other melees

[silver fable]

they sped up full charge too right?

[tardy ingot]

oh ye (tho the bigger buff in that case was fixing recharging after a hit)

[silver fable]

giving spear a high stamina consumption running charge is imo a clear path towards fairly buffing it

allows you to soften the "can't run while charging" drawback

you can also mess with the damage numbers, I like the idea of running charges getting extra damage

but in general you get a lot of knobs to turn to balance it

and since it's close to hammer in terms of charge duration and damage and whatnot, you don't need radical new design ideas to make it viable

whereas, I kinda think knife needs something into bigs to be well-rounded

but I have no idea what

that, and/or the damage to kill scouts from front, but I feel like that takes away a lot of cool factor from knife use

probably the ineffectiveness into bigs is the thing I'd most want to address, but I haven't liked any ideas I've seen for that

[tardy ingot]

fn: guns are being incredibly powercrept
also fn: lets power creep melees to death

[silver fable]

hey I want hammer nerfs

revert charge speed buff and stagger buff

a giant should be able to carry out a full tongue attack between fully charged hammer hits imo

[tardy ingot]

i mean... it can? you just dont fully charge anyhow (didnt do it before either in og usually)

[silver fable]

you very definitely can fully charge hammer and strike to interrupt a tongue attack after a soft stagger

it's, like, how I solo giants all the time

shadow bigs seem fast enough to beat it though

[tardy ingot]

iirc the giant shooter version has faster attack speed

[dry pumice]

remind me spear tops damage again

Perfect fully charged occi to the Giant's head vs Hammer

42 vs 40, something like that?

[buoyant drift]

Kind of questioning the enemies spawn mechanism .
Do they naturally spawn out of thin air in other zones ?

[craggy pier]

yes 2 rooms away

[tardy ingot]

68,25 vs 60

[dry pumice]

Yes.
They attempt to spawn 2 rooms away from you (you're in room 0, nearby rooms are Room 1 Buffer, and then they spawn in the next one after that).
If there is no option - they will spawn closer, including straight on top of you.

[buoyant drift]

So if I didn't clear out the zones two rooms away , will it make the first wave bigger than it should be ?

[dry pumice]

Potentially. The horde does not scream to awake until they have a visual confirmation on you. They will probably just pass the sleepeing enemies and let them be.

However if there's someone left in the next room over - there's a high chance they will hear the gunshots and wake up anyway.

Also if you mined the door leading to Room 2 spawning zone - the mine produces noise as well and will wake up the room too

In fact it will wake up both Room 2 and Room 1 most likely

So yes, you will get a little bit of extra on the first approaching horde

Might cost you the run if there was a little bit too many

[silver fable]

visual confirmation not necessary, they can scream when 1 room away

[dry pumice]

Thank you

[silver fable]

also doors breaking can wake sleepers even if there's no mine going off

not sure of distances on that one

[dry pumice]

Fascinating

I mean i guess it makes sense that door break causes crap ton of noise

[buoyant drift]

So clearing out other zones near the alarm doors before triggering the alarms should be the best ... ?

[dry pumice]

Yes, it should be prefferable

[buoyant drift]

Hmm , but I remembered that two days ago I ran through R1B2 .
We ran to the spawn point after the mission for the evacuation . And the enemies still spawned on top of us , then we died for it .
Not sure what the problem it was .

[silver fable]

apparently the extraction error in r1b2 just ramps up with time

so rush there asap and dig in on extract scan

if you mean they spawned literally on top of you, like same room, that's some 0-room spawn jank that shouldn't happen

I don't think it's common in that level if it helps?

[buoyant drift]

So the enemies spawning point should change while we're moving , right ?

[silver fable]

yes

[dry pumice]

Yes. Always 2 rooms away unless they literally have no choice or if you're spread too much. If players are too far apart - enemies sometimes just spawn right in front of people, i don't know why.

[hidden ridge]

It's bizzarre but I think it's very very small, as in they need to be very close to the door

[wintry kayak]

I believe the game rolls an internal dice on who to consider the "spawning player", then spawns 2 rooms away from that player

[hidden ridge]

As in, nearly touching-force-aggro distance

[wintry kayak]

either that or host

for alarms and uplinks it is based on the room the terminal/alarm is in as far as I'm aware. Not that you'll leave that room often

[wintry kayak]

but for errors it seems to be something like this (feels like it)

[hidden ridge]

alarms I've no idea if that is true, uplinks need (with exceptions I guess) to spawn enemies in the same zone as terminal

[wintry kayak]

yeah unless no valid spawns

then uplink is chaos

[hidden ridge]

yeah if that happens it's 0 rooms away

enemies plop from sky

[wintry kayak]

usually 1 room away for me

but it can be any room

[hidden ridge]

it's 2 unless it cant, then it becomes 1 unless it cant, then it becomes 0

[wintry kayak]

meanwhile people really do uplinks next to a sec door with a whole zone on the other side, then tell someone to watch sec door 💀

[wintry kayak]

mhm

although no actually

[hidden ridge]

heh I've had weird cases like that, people telling me to foam a door they're not going to come from, but then they insist "just to be safe"

[wintry kayak]

on R5C3 there are no valid spawns even 1 room away

but it doesnt spawn on top

might be hardcoded spawns tho

[hidden ridge]

R5C3 is an exception because double/corrupted uplink

[wintry kayak]

fair

[hidden ridge]

AFAIK corrupted uplinks do not follow that rule

[wintry kayak]

they are something different

[hidden ridge]

I'm not really a super-fan of them tbh

they're different for sure but I'd liked a simple level that has just that mechanic so people get used to it

Most of the tries I did of R6D2 Extreme got fucked up because the terminal boys never did corrupted uplinks

and while the checkpoint was there, I kinda felt sorry for them a bit

Once they got the hang of it, it went smooth as butter

[icy cave]

It can also mean the team was not close to each other as the game will choose a player and drop enemies 2 rooms away . If another player is in that second room away..... well rip

[mossy aurora]

errors can be set to have an elevator bias, depends on the map

[silver fable]

I'm not so sure about this "2 rooms away from random player" business

if that's what it actually is, it's pretty lousy programming, because "2 rooms away from the group" is perfectly definable

[icy cave]

It might be host, I did not check. but when teams split up is when the enemies suddenly spawn on the others . Except ofc when spawns are set

It's Def a thing

[silver fable]

but I know it can degrade into something lousy, for sure

[hidden ridge]

Only weird case I know is R1D1 first alarm

Where, for some reason, I've seen them plop from the sky if someone stands in B

[icy cave]

R2C2 had this. Where if I went to fast in front I or another player would get spawns on them

And that level has no set spawns

[silver fable]

my running theory is that "2 rooms away from the group" is the actual rule, but something can happen through network issues or session length or whatever that puts the spawn system in a funky state and causes weird things to happen

[summer matrix]

I keep dying at the end of R4C1 to the tank. Is there a good way to fight a tank that i'm missing out on
(i played with 3 bots)

[dry pumice]

Dont do bots

[hidden ridge]

You could mine cheese him

[dry pumice]

Bots suck against tank

[hidden ridge]

bots are pain with tanks, yes

[silver fable]

if you have to use bots, then you're probably going to need altitude

[dry pumice]

The idea is that the squad should split up and surround him and take turns shooting his tumors.
Bots never split up. So you cant surround him and therefore cant fight him the intended way.

[silver fable]

off the top of my head, maybe you can get into a position upstairs in the room prior to the tank room, with the tank downstairs below you?

[icy cave]

But then the spawns should not fix themselves when the group is again, together

[silver fable]

hm, I've seen broken stuff like 0-room spawns in duos where both players were in the same room or 1 room apart

so imo it can get pretty bad

[icy cave]

Yeah but that's a different issue

It makes sense that when 2 players are 3 rooms further than the other 2 the game has to choose where is ... the group

[hidden ridge]

Well... now that I think about it

[icy cave]

how it does that no idea. but when all 4 join up it immediatly stops and spawns are normal

[hidden ridge]

The "chooses random player" would explain what I saw 2-3 times on R1D1 first alarm

because if said player is in B

it becomes 1 room away so both A and C are possible spawn locations

[silver fable]

easy,
a room is 0 rooms away if there is a player in that room
a room is n+1 rooms away if (it is not k rooms away for k < n+1 and) an adjacent room is n rooms away

[hidden ridge]

And that's regardless of it there's players in C

[icy cave]

pretty much

[icy cave]

that's nice but not how it works

in practice

[silver fable]

my running impression is that when it deviates from that, something is broken

[icy cave]

The game for a wave will take a player (dunno if host or not) and put him to the rule regardless if another player is in that 2nd room or not

[icy cave]

That would imply it staying broken

But it doesn't

When all players join up again it acts normal

[silver fable]

ehh, I'm not so sure about that

[icy cave]

THATs why I'm pretty sure this shit happens

[icy cave]

It's easy to test

R2C2 has this

[silver fable]

nah, I don't think anything about this is easy to test

at this point I just want to know what the code says

[icy cave]

ask calle 😂

[silver fable]

10cc, famously transparent about their game mechanics

[dry pumice]

Balance essay still on the way

[icy cave]

Oh lord

Bullpup and Spear OP suddenly

[dry pumice]

We just need to get them out of F tier, i can live with a B

[icy cave]

And as anti meta that you are you are prolly going to make sure nothing is S tier?

[dry pumice]

Just fix reload cancel and there will be no more complaints from me.

I dont mind S guns. I just hate feeling guilty of using Fs for sentimental reasons.

[icy cave]

Somehow I doubt it

[wintry kayak]

yes yes type something something. I meant just purely random alarms.

[mossy aurora]

i thought u were talking about errors in the message i replied to

[wintry kayak]

I think it just picks a player then spawns as if that player is the group

[icy cave]

exactly what I said

[wintry kayak]

fair fair yeah I mean errors but the classical kind

and yes they can have spawn bias or a fixed spawn

[wintry kayak]

glad we agree then I’m too lazy to read all that

[icy cave]

I think level wise you might have some

[icy cave]

Read it !!!

[wintry kayak]

some levels are straight up boring

[icy cave]

agreed

[wintry kayak]

I wish they added sectors to the old rundowns btw

1-3

but oh well

[wintry kayak]

ahem R4C2

ahem R1 most levels

[icy cave]

agree as well

[wintry kayak]

although R1 is excusable

r4 not really

[silver fable]

an issue with the possible "pick a player and spawn 2 away" rule: spawn blocking is a thing

[wintry kayak]

I think spawn blocking is not actually a thing though

it never works when I try it

you’re just decreasing your odds

but not blocking

[silver fable]

ehh, spawn blocking is a common enough thing that I can't agree

[wintry kayak]

all it usually does is it ends up spawning enemies on top of someone who’s spawnblocking

I only see it used on uplinks and those have wacky rules anyways

[latent obsidian]

The only time I've seen something like that is R3D1

[mossy aurora]

spawn blocking is most definitely a thing

[latent obsidian]

And thats because the number of rooms is so limited

[wintry kayak]

right but the spawn system needs to have some sort of reference point

and it sure isn’t the average position of the team or anything right

[mossy aurora]

error spawn checks and uplink/alarm spawn checks might have different conditions

[wintry kayak]

probably

[mossy aurora]

im not sure if i've ever seen a spawn block of an error

[wintry kayak]

actually they definitely do because uplinks can’t even spawn in other zones

[silver fable]

again "n rooms away from the team" is easily defined

whether they use a sane definition or not is another question

[wintry kayak]

right we’re talking about spawnblocking though

so where is the team

[silver fable]

the team is in every room that has at least one team member in it

[latent obsidian]

I'd have said it was simply looking for a room that is at least 2 rooms away from EVERY player but no more than 2 rooms away from ONE player

[wintry kayak]

that will probably end up in a situation with no spawns

no valid ones

so randomness follows

[latent obsidian]

On small maps yes, which is why we see what we do on levels like R3D1

[wintry kayak]

so spawn blocking an error is a thing?

[silver fable]

if there are no rooms that are 2 rooms away, game opt for 1room spawns, then 0room spawns if that fails also

[latent obsidian]

as in controlling where the wave spawns by where you stand? of course?

[wintry kayak]

yeah what I mean is spawnblocking in a wrong way can end up in some nasty situations if what ellda said is the algorithm

[silver fable]

if there are no 1room spawn options then you're literally blocking every room that can reach you, so 0room spawns are deserved

but that'd also require there be at most 4 rooms reachable by the players at the time

or for an uplink (and this happens often) 4 rooms in uplink zone

[wintry kayak]

right but this doesnt work for alarms

regular ones

[latent obsidian]

why not?

[wintry kayak]

even if you disregard the scans

you know the start of R2E1?

there are no 2 room spawns right

[latent obsidian]

Sure

[silver fable]

alarm scans happen in 1 room, so we very rarely experience discerning conditions in natural play

[wintry kayak]

if you go to extraction point after pulling the surge you get spawns in side room correct? because it’s two rooms

[latent obsidian]

I would expect so

[wintry kayak]

but if someone then goes into big main room

they spawn EVERYWHERE

[latent obsidian]

I've not observed that

[wintry kayak]

on extraction, in big room, in side room

[latent obsidian]

But I've obviously not setup those conditions

[mossy aurora]

i would expect them to still only spawn in side room then

if people are in spawn and big room

[wintry kayak]

well my friend showed me door glitch on R2E1

and that’s how you run it

[wintry kayak]

yet that isn’t the case

[hidden ridge]

Unless it picks 1 player

As the pivotal point

cause big room is connected to both rooms

[wintry kayak]

if you have people in both big room and extraction the enemies can spawn at extraction

and side room

I’m not completely sure about big room

it’s a mess at that point

but I know they spawn on extraction

[mossy aurora]

isnt there some interaction where host location determines spawns?

i remember people saying like "i need to hold the error im host"

[wintry kayak]

well I’m assuming it picks a player

could be host

but definitely not full team

or this would be non existent behaviour

[silver fable]

gross

but maybe

I'm wondering if desync is involved

[minor fractal]

I think people thought this at one point, but I don't think anything came of it.

[buoyant drift]

Yep , I'm also considering this possibility

[minor fractal]

Current explanation, which seems fairly consistent, is that it tries to find a room 2 away from a random player which isn't adjacent to any players.

[buoyant drift]

Like you think you have gone back to the evacuation point , but the system think you're still in the area where you collect the DNA

[dry pumice]

True. But solution to this one is not "just adjust 2 numbers", so im not gonna grill them on that because no way they re fixing any of it.

[icy cave]

Spawn blocking only works when the person is 1 room away. As soon as he moves 2 away waves spawn on him

So yeah it's exactly as I said

[icy cave]

On R3D1 spawns on top of players also happen when they split up to far away

[icy cave]

Uplinks HAVE to be in the same zone. Error can spawn in a different zone

[latent obsidian]

I don't agree with this

[icy cave]

Try it out I would say

[latent obsidian]

So this is for errors. you would say?

i.e. I'm thinking back to R6C2, if I am holding the error at the end I am not staying one room adjacent to my team that is clearing ahead

I am 2 or 3 rooms away

And they always spawn on the spawn side of me 2 rooms away

[icy cave]

R6C2 had a set spawn, as they never spawned in front

never

horrible example

[latent obsidian]

alright what about the R4B2 error?

[icy cave]

You take R2C2 or R3D1 and split up you'll have spawns on top of you immediatly

R3C1 too btw

[icy cave]

R4B2 it happens as well actually yes

Spawns on top of you if too far from each other

It can happen mind you

had it a couple times cause people too slow

[latent obsidian]

So if I'm two rooms deep in the mother zone and my teammate is holding outside of the zone

you'd expect the wave to spawn on top of one of us?

or say it could?

Cos we never saw that

[icy cave]

No for some reason the ovl has forward spawns fixed iirc so they could spawn on top of your m8 holding at the back

In main it happens for aure

sure

100%

[latent obsidian]

I'd be curious to see footage of it in a map where the number of areas isn't heavily restricted

[icy cave]

Like it's simple we can do a couple runs

[latent obsidian]

the only way I see it happening is if there are like 3 or 4 rooms and the team is split

on a big open map I don't see it happening

[icy cave]

We set up run a couple of the levels I mentioned and then this discussion will be finally sealed. All I am saying is it happens and it stops as soon as the team is together.

So the game is definitely making a choice on a player or part of the team and spawning them 2 rooms away from them regardless if there's players there. Or it just goes off host and then the players going too far from host can get spawns

[past mesa]

It isn’t if you are to far it is if you are exactly 2 rooms away with no one in between

If you are 3 you won’t get them on top of you

[icy cave]

yes sorry but same proinciple

principle

[past mesa]

Unless you have them spawn on top of you for a different reason

[icy cave]

split up get the waves

[past mesa]

Yes?

[icy cave]

yeah well @silver fable doubts it is like this. He says its only due to desync when enemies spawn on you

[past mesa]

Na the game doesn’t block your own room

[icy cave]

and if you split up the game will make them spawn on neither group

[past mesa]

Oh so we agree and I don’t agree with fn

[icy cave]

I said from what I see, if you split up two rooms apartyou get spawns on top of each other

[icy cave]

yes

[past mesa]

Exactly two rooms

If it is more or less it doesn’t matter

[icy cave]

you disagree with fn and @latent obsidian

[icy cave]

thats logical

I just did not specify

[past mesa]

Yeah no worries

You can also be exactly two rooms away if you have someone In the next adjacent room

That way you cover each other rooms

[icy cave]

yes, thats fine. its only when no one is not in between

[past mesa]

No I mean you can have the in the room past exactly 2 to be 3 rooms away

It will cover both

You don’t need the person in between

Just someone needs to be adjacent to you somewhere

We call it daisy chaining

[winged turtle]

its really fun to find out about daisy chaining directly before an alarm with a fixed spawn
looking at you R7B1 when i was on <10 hrs

[past mesa]

R7b1 is one rooms distance so nothing works

Because you don’t block the adjacent rooms anymore

Or your own room

Everything is just fucked

[winged turtle]

ya

yaaa

[ocean spindle]

were mines buffed in r4?

ik there was like a point when they just got like as powerful as they r now

[icy cave]

R5 iirc

[ocean spindle]

but wasnt the tank 8 mine strat a thing in r4? or is it that it jusr worked then with those mines too?

[icy cave]

That I don't remember as I never mined a tank, out of the loop on that

[ocean spindle]

i look it up n it seems like it was, 2021 messages abouts it
but idk if they were buffed, maybe its just cause it was r5 when it fixed the bodyblock issue, but still did the same dmg?

[arctic marten]

yes, people would mine the tank in r4c1 and r4c3, you are right that the buff was that enemies wouldn't block damage from each other

[ocean spindle]

:O

so the buff was in r5?

[civic wave]

Yes, in r5 you got mines that properly blew up waves, but -2 capacity for mines

So you can only hold 8 mines instead of 10 AND IT MAKES THE TOOL REFILL ANNOYING

[ocean spindle]

:]

[fast hemlock]

I wonder where is GTFO's save files are... saving..?

[dry pumice]

Steam cloud probs

[fast hemlock]

Then is there a way to manually change them?

Or to be exact

Change what maps you've completed

[past mesa]

Yes

[fast hemlock]

It would be a pleasure if you say it to me then.

[past mesa]

If a level existed the same Id then the game would count it. You just need to send a packet to the server

Not as easy as making a one a two

[fast hemlock]

Complicated, but kind of fair for this game.
Thank you, I'll dig in that direction...

...Or alternatively, I can bypass all of the levels that I've completed earlier along the 46 hours, but... I'll take a time to think about it.

[quiet yew]

Another probably silly question, isn't there a rundown 6?

[jagged shore]

yes
the alt hasn't been released yet but some time in the next couple months it should be

[dry pumice]

Not anymore and not yet

We'll get the alt remake in about a month or two

[quiet yew]

I mean, do the devs remove the rundown that they are updating?

[jagged shore]

they used to

[dry pumice]

Yes, that was a thing

The 5 alts we have right now are revived versions of removed originals

[ocean spindle]

soo this game used to work like fortnite seasons
when Rundown 2 came out, it replaced Rundown 1, Rundown 3 replaced Rundown 2 and so on, everytime a new rundown came the old one got eliminated
on Rundown 7 tho, the devs decided to bring the old rundowns back, and they did it the ALT://Rundowns, the old rundowns but slightly changed and optimized
and so next up they need to release ALT://Rundown 6

[dry pumice]

7 is the only original

[quiet yew]

This makes everything clear to me, thanks for the information :3

[ocean spindle]

is okiii

[ornate olive]

Is there a way to place resource packs in empty spots in lockers, so you can stock a specific locker up? I didn't think you could but someone did it in a game, so unsure if they cheated somehow or I'm missing something.

[hidden ridge]

Not without a mod

Without a mod you can only swap

[ornate olive]

Ah
Thanks

[fast hemlock]

Decided to go a hard way and replay all of the levels, 'cuz there's literally no cheats that letting you skip levels (or to be exact - all of them now obsolete), and creating my own mod, even though I'm Unity Developer... Nah.

Thanks for the help tho

[tardy ingot]

i mean you can use known glitch abuses to get near free clears

if you just wanna get through quickly

[fast hemlock]

It sounds more funny than just regular cheating.

So I need all of them.

[fast hemlock]

Where I should go to find them?

[tardy ingot]

i mean 1 way is to check speedrun boards (tho we lack guides for some lol)

The one id recommend is doorbug. @tepid sand actually has a video on it on youtube

If you use it right you wont have alarms spawn enemies that youll have to fight in most situations

[past mesa]

Door bug

[tardy ingot]

door bug is easy to do once you know how and works in nearly all levels (some cases are not rly abuseable unless its 2 people playing tho)

[fast hemlock]

I've noticed that the enemies doesn't hear you until you open a door in appropriate zone, as well as rarely hearing shots from the other zones after a some time after you've opened it. Is this but have something to do with this mechanic?

I'll just go and watch the video.

[craggy pier]

yeah sound barriers

when closing doors a sound barrier is placed so u can kill an enemy and nothing wakes up (not intended)

not the same as opening doors

[tepid sand]

More GTFO Guides coming soon ™️

[fast hemlock]

I've noticed that after you opening a door (especially the security and bulk doors), there is some kind of delay (that is noticeably higher than the door animation itself), when enemies from the other side don't hear you. The door can be opened already, but you can freely consume your ammo in any way possible to deal with the remnants of the last alarm or so.
Pretty useful bug, after all, taking to count game difficulty.

But it might be fixed already.
I'm got a salary and I finally able to play an official version of the game. Up until now I've played older version (Alt://Rundown 4 release version), so I'll go and investigate a new fixes (as well as bugs, thank you @tardy ingot & @tepid sand again).

[winged turtle]

this sounds like way more work than command console

[fierce nebula]

such a silly question when we have 6 rundowns to choose from

like yeah no they just release and remove multiple rundowns once every year

[fast hemlock]

I've completed all of these levels alone, so this is the chance for me to try out new stuff and the team work in particular (because it will definitely be helpful in R2D2 level, were I've stack for 23+ attempts because of stupid bots, keeping dying from the sniper turret and NOT using a secondary weapons or weapons AT ALL on the, to avoid spoilers, place where you're meeting the enemies)

[winged turtle]

if you are going to use door bug, it will be faster and a better experience to no-clipped through the whole level imo

[finite solstice]

any tips for beating R7C3?

[past mesa]

Where you wiping

[fierce nebula]

the first zone

[dry pumice]

Supply efficiency boosters. Get all the ammo in the world you need then just shoot like mad

[winged turtle]

lol they probably aren't there yet

[icy cave]

Just team tag giants. it should not be a problem

[dry pumice]

Otherwise...

||Git gud at stealth for first half, you can try code skipping the secondary terminal (find 2 letters, then guess the rest), uuuuh you can put off doing the secondary objective scan until you finish clearing the rooms for the main (clearing those zones with lights on is far easier), but it will degrade game's stability like mad.
Then uh... You do the terminal, do your best to get into the armory asap, don't fight anything you don't need to fight, get back to the checkpoint door before timer runs out, get ready and then just survive while doing the overload.

There will be shadows so PDWs and even Precision rifles (like one) could prove useful.
And there will be giants chargers during the overload (might be part of main horde, but i don't know).
HEL Shotgun saved my ass on that missions.

Oh and melee damage boosters can help you basically skip the first bit. Its honestly the most obnoxiously grindy part of the level with wipes. I got so sick of stealthing C-Scouts again and again and again and again....||

@finite solstice ^

||Once overload is done - you just start moving forward, clearing zones, acquiring loot and waiting for doors to open (if you were quick enough).
On a good, not cursed run you'll probably make it to the final pre-extraction door before timer runs out. Then you just hold the line and pray ammo doesn't run out.
The final "fuck you" from the level will be throwing a tank at you for the extraction. You can have like 2-3 guys scanning the extraction (its a long one) and one guy just distracting the tank because you're NOT killing him just standing on the extraction scan as a team - he'll just cover his ass and grind you down from range.||

[finite solstice]

Thanks!

[fierce nebula]

TLDR

[dry pumice]

TL:DR - git gud at stealth, git gud at !scouts, git gud at picking your fights and then git gud at shooting while also gitting gud at terminal teamwork

Super TL:DR - git omega gud

For some reasons its always C3 levels that are utterly cursed

D's after that are usually just default crap with extra hot sauce on it

But C3's always have to get extra quirky and try some insane new crap to throw you in

[soft crater]

I thought artek used the Bucket command seeing that big strand of spoiler

[naive vale]

Is the Warden a rogue AI or is it government controlled?

[past mesa]

Biden controls it

[naive vale]

Lmao, that explains everything.

[dry pumice]

We actually have suspicions that it might be Alien controlled.
The original AI - BIOCOM - was a KOVAC PMC creation to handle the logistics of their Legion operatives (us), but at some point W4RDN was injected into it and it hijacked all and inherited all the access and functions of it.
BIOCOM is still there, its trying to shake off W4RDN to this day, but its just not working - its bashing its' head against the wall for how many years it now was since the injection... Like 5.

[neon gust]

you gonna find the lore cool

but then you gonna realize its caca

and you have to go trough 75 different emails

[soft crater]

Lore_Dragon

[neon gust]

that jump from og r5 to r6 got me fucked up

[soft crater]

Alts lore is different here and there too.

[naive vale]

Interesting, thanks.

[neon gust]

og r5 was like yo we gonna meet schaeffer!

next thing interdimensional travel and bs

[soft crater]

Bishop: so I got teleported there. Alone.

[soft crater]

Schaeffer smaeffer. Idc it's all about the giga chad

[red flax]

Any general strategy tips for r2e1? Is precision rifle ANY good in this level

[soft crater]

KLAS HENRICKSSON

[neon gust]

i think your weapon of choice its not the issue

where are you struggling

[dry pumice]

Uh... There's like... 0 shadows in there? I think? Maybe? I forgot

[neon gust]

the surge area? the error section?

[red flax]

No that's the first level where you have to stealth them

[dry pumice]

its not gonna help against the finale, that's for sure

[red flax]

We got to the error section once and died to no ammo and not enough people with guns

[dry pumice]

A classic

[neon gust]

i mean stealth its stealth regardless of the enemy type

they all act the same

[red flax]

Having to hold something is tough

[neon gust]

pr its good if you know how to aim

did you went to the side room for ammo?

[red flax]

We got every ammo there was

Prolly just need to not miss more

[neon gust]

ok so if you were low before error, even after doing sideroom

then you know

you might need to start watching a tutorial or two about stealth

[red flax]

We're using double sentry plus mines

We do stealth well I believe, we're slow on scans though

[neon gust]

also what do you mean with not enough people with guns

you have guns

[red flax]

We were holding two fans and the hsu so only one person was with a gun at a time

We should probably only have 1 fan next time

[neon gust]

you dont need two turbine

why ar you bringing two?

just have 1 so you have 1 guy free

[red flax]

More area, helped for just moving before the scan

[neon gust]

you gonna die faster like that

1 neonate
1 "fan"
1"cell"
you can ping the other cell in the error section

[red flax]

Right it was 1 fan 1 cell iirc

[neon gust]

so you have the bio keep track of everything

[red flax]

I forgor about the cell

[neon gust]

and defend you

you only really need the fog turbine for the beggining fog pit and the surge

[red flax]

Is putting sentry facing the entrace a good idea for the first scan? It uses all of its ammo most times which makes me think that it's helping during the first surge

[past mesa]

The first scan in the error is the hardest part

[red flax]

First scan in the whole mission

[past mesa]

That shouldn’t really be the issue tbh

You can use it

You can decide not to

It doesn’t matter to much

[upper ginkgo]

it's more important to call out if you should push the surge to reach scan or take a different route

[past mesa]

Yeah go backwards to go forwards type of deal

[red flax]

On the error part?

[past mesa]

First surge

[red flax]

Problem with first surge is when it takes AGES to get to the next spot

Sometimes it takes 2 seconds, sometimes it takes 20

[past mesa]

Then you kite back

And wait

The 2 second deploys should not be a requirement to clear

[red flax]

Can you elaborate what you mean by "kite back"

Kite back where?

[past mesa]

Away from where the sleepers are

Surges spawn them pretty quickly killing when you don’t need to can drain your resources

So just find a safe place to chill for a second

Better if you bring the whole team that way sleepers don’t path werid

[red flax]

Do surges only spawn a certain amount until they stop spawning them?

Like, once 30 spawn none more can until 1 dies

[sturdy glen]

surge keeps the enemy count at spawn cap the entire time

kill 1 it immediately respawns

[red flax]

Struggling with hybrids at the second surge. We've tried sniping them but no luck

Is just pumping ammo into them as a team better to take them out quick?

[verbal zinc]

If you can’t kill them try to stagger them

[craggy pier]

yeah put few shots in em and resume the surge defense

[red flax]

Theres too many that they seem to just group up on us

[craggy pier]

it'll stop em for like 3-5 secs

[red flax]

Gotcha

[past mesa]

Here me out we can buff the hel auto pistol by nerfing it dmg that way you can permanently stun them for longer

[verbal zinc]

I think the MG needs more stagger too

[past mesa]

Yeah x3 should be enough

Maybe pen 4 aswell

Can’t have it falling behind other weapons

[verbal zinc]

R6 ALT 🙏

[past mesa]

Don’t worry carbine buff incoming

[turbid horizon]

inb4 pablo is there for DX

[soft crater]

a FireHammer cosmetic. right???

[verbal zinc]

Surely

[silver fable]

deserves it

nobody can control that recoil

gotta be an incentive to learn the gun

[past mesa]

you dont get a hammer cosmetic. you get a burst sentry cosmetic

[modest monolith]

pablo cosmetic ?

[turbid horizon]

FireGavel when

[winged turtle]

spear gets a fire sword skin before we get old hammer skins

[sleek mist]

LOL where is that emoji from

feelsvladman

putin rn

[fathom plaza]

if you don't know where the code goes, look all the way to the right in the match make

[hidden ridge]

It doesn't "go" anywhere

You just copy it and a button magically appears

To be honest, considering how many times this topic comes up, I'd rather them put a field for it

So it'd stop coming again and again as a question

[craggy pier]

if only we could set up a bot command for that

i guess its too hard

what am i

crazy?

[hidden ridge]

It wouldn't stop anything anyway

they'd still come here

and you'd still write the magic words to trigger the bot

nothing changes

[craggy pier]

correct me if im wrong but some bots have a feature where if a word is said it can send a message

[hidden ridge]

even if, they'd still come here and ask and the bot would trigger

add the field and noone will ask that question again

[icy cave]

yes

[craggy pier]

well we are at a point where some game "features" arent being worked on

adding a small field? you kinda askin too much

[craggy pier]

thank you i thought so

need to take more doses

[lone mortar]

When play beepo?

Take me to E tier

[hidden ridge]

I did all maps once, I'll just do easy shit until R6 gets released, which is arguably more easy shit anyway

[lone mortar]

How bout B-D tier

[hidden ridge]

What do you want to do?

[lone mortar]

Any

I too have done all

Want challenges on E tiers

Failed at apex door yesterday R5E1

Still wana go again todae

[craggy pier]

Hey guys, yesterday I played with my friends R1-C2 and i too long we taken 2h and 40m and we die in the end, i need to know if R1-D1 is too long as C2 cause if not we gonna do D1 today and tomorrow as it is friday C2

[latent obsidian]

D1 is shorter

[craggy pier]

there is any way to see estimated time of the levels?

[ocean spindle]

d1 is very dependant on ur skill, cause its like 4 rooms but if take ur time and explore it can take an hour or more

[latent obsidian]

Nope, and its gonna vary player by player

But some levels certainly are longer than others

And R1C2 is probably the longest one in rundown 1 for a new team

If its taking you 2 hours 40 thats quite a lot longer than usual tbh (for one run)

[craggy pier]

That's why some of us just take a break for dinner or bathroom a lot of time lol

[ocean spindle]

a

[latent obsidian]

yeah that will bump the time up a bit

[craggy pier]

thanks <3 we gonna play D1 today

[latent obsidian]

you're welcome

[winged turtle]

the whole level is 3 (or 4) alarms and all of the doors that aren't alarmed have nothing but enemies and resources.
juat keep in mind to

1. not open up new spawn directions for the alarm, and also
2. check how much resources are in a zone before you go, by using the terminal command, "list resource zone_76"

[clever root]

where can I go to look for people who play mods like "legacy" and "lockout 2"

[dry pumice]

.t modding

[uneven gulch]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[past mesa]

Lockout 2 is too old it won’t work unless you had old game files

[clever root]

k

[past mesa]

Legacy isn’t really the best rn

I would suggest heat if you are getting into it

Or system error

[lusty bramble]

I would suggest GTFO

[past mesa]

Gtfo is a good modded rundown

Devs did buff carbine to much tho

[winged turtle]

i like the modded rundowns, they are pretty good references to the OGs

but with our buffer guns

[sturdy glen]

OLD RUNDOWNS ARE NOT MOD

[winged turtle]

What Is Old Is Mod Again!

[past mesa]

OLD RUNDOWNS ARE NOT A MOD

[winged turtle]

so why aren't we allowed to play the ALTs? is this not the official server?

[soft crater]

original files/rundowns aren't up-to-date with weapons/fixes etc. and technically isn't modded since it wasn't modified. it's just old content they don't want people playing it

[forest lily]

What are some gun recommendations that are good for taking out the larger more tankier enemies quickly, aside from the sniper?

[soft crater]

shotguns

[ocean spindle]

mh shotguns are a good option, they arent as fast but have nice ammo and are flexible for smols too

[soft crater]

MGs can wittle their health down quickly with a mag

[ocean spindle]

burst cannon has lots of firepower, can kill a big one with one burst from the back, and it leaves em pretty bad on health from the front, but its less flexible since its a 5 burst weapon and each bullet does 19 dmg

so u cant oneshot a smol with one bullet

but with two

hel rifle has the same dmg as the shotguns and it can penetrate many enemies with one bullet so thats cool

[soft crater]

it leaves giant strikers with 25 hp (assuming all shots connect)

even less if one hit the head

[ocean spindle]

yeah

or well big shooters at... 55

[soft crater]

if one hits the head. the giant is left with 2.39 hp

[forest lily]

Oh righton. What’s a good shotgun recommendation?

I take it the choke mod might be the best in terms of versatility in lethality against enemies?

[soft crater]

chokemod is interesting since. unlike the other shotguns.
chokemod has up to 15m damage range

and a tight pellet spread

[upper ginkgo]

pump shotty is the most versatile choice tbh

[forest lily]

I’ll give both a try.

[upper ginkgo]

you choose combat for potentially more wave clear potential and efficiency

you choose chokemod to roleplay as sniper while having ok efficiency into smalls

[forest lily]

I love role playing as a sniper (I’ll miss all of my shots).

I’ll take a gander at both. I’ve been using the drekker as I like to have one thermal weapon and one regular but it’s just not cutting it for a particular rundown.

So I was wondering which weapons were good for damage against biggies.

[soft crater]

Precision rifle doesn't do as much damage as you'd expect

[forest lily]

Oh yeah, I mean it’s great for headshots so it’s awesome for smalls… but big guys?

[soft crater]

hel rifle's damage is give or take in line with shotguns (aside from weakpoints)

[forest lily]

That’s the newer one from… five right?

Or four.

[neon gust]

r3

[forest lily]

Hel omneco something or other

Oh.

[soft crater]

majority of us vets have already seen all these guns because they were available in the past due to "Rundown specific" gear locks

[tardy ingot]

huh, what. BC does a max of 97 dmg to a giant. The single headshot does only 2 extra dmg

[soft crater]

ever since the alt rundowns however. everything has become availible regardless of rundowns since they aren't removed anymore

[dry pumice]

Any of the shotguns (only difference is range), Sniper, Burst Cannon. That's about it.

Maybe HAR?... It feels alright against them, but won't just nuke them out of existence.

[neon gust]

chokemod, pump shotgun, sniper, burst canon, to an extend arbalist and hcp\

[upper ginkgo]

well tbf you can get decent value from most specials for giant killing if you just go for back multi

[soft crater]

I did my math wrong ngl

[forest lily]

So the burst cannon seems to have an extreme amount of recoil which I love, but, how do I use it more properly? I’ve basically been aiming at crotch height for big guys and essentially going side to side with waves of smalls?

[neon gust]

back damage makes all guns viable to kill giants

[soft crater]

I somehow did the math for occi + 4 normal body shots

[past mesa]

Correct

[soft crater]

kekL

[tardy ingot]

hel pp :|

[neon gust]

you love the recoil?

[past mesa]

I wish it was more tbh

[forest lily]

It’s really fun to use imo.

[past mesa]

Would be a really good way to 180

[soft crater]

Recoil_Dragon

[neon gust]

Burst canon its amazing against big charger

sniper agains regular giants

[forest lily]

I generally have my weapons be polar opposites so generally for my primary I’ll run smth like the bullpup or van auken smg.

[upper ginkgo]

so based

[neon gust]

MANUFACTURER ALERT

[forest lily]

So it’s silky smooth.

[neon gust]

MANUFACTURER ALERT

[past mesa]

Interesting

[neon gust]

🤮

[soft crater]

van auken is like 3 different guns iirc

[past mesa]

Around here

We just call it smg

[soft crater]

Sub machine gun

[upper ginkgo]

EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH

[forest lily]

There’s three different van auken smgs?

[dry pumice]

I only remember the Carbine

[past mesa]

Because ain’t no one have time to learn there names

No smg

Machine pistol

[sturdy glen]

(except mgs)

[neon gust]

We use regular names since they'rea actually better and you can tell the difference

[soft crater]

Van Auken is the Manufacturer. not the actual name/acronym of the gun

[past mesa]

Except mg

[neon gust]

manufacturer jusut wastes time and its just a noble thing and inconsistent

[past mesa]

Worst guns

[dry pumice]

There's only 2 van aukens

[forest lily]

“Van Auken smg”.

Honestly yeah that’s totally fair though

[past mesa]

Stop just say smg

[neon gust]

trust me you can say mastaba smg

and well tell you the same anyways

[forest lily]

o7

[sturdy glen]

we need smgs 2-4 in r8

more main padding for autos please

🥺

[past mesa]

I think the next smg they make will be their best

Just you wait

[sturdy glen]

medium smg

[upper ginkgo]

assault smg

[past mesa]

Pdw is just a building place

Hel pdw

[neon gust]

Heavier smg

[soft crater]

Heavy Burst sentry

[sturdy glen]

they just add more bass to the heavy smg sound

.2 more damage

ez

[past mesa]

Guys what about a weapon that staggers enemies and healed teammates and enemies

For 0.2 health per shot

Shots good doesn’t it

[forest lily]

I love the heavy SMG.

[neon gust]

0.1 faster reload

[neon gust]

no you dont

[past mesa]

He isn’t real

[neon gust]

hes not real

[sturdy glen]

bro likes smg, heavy smg, and bullpup

[soft crater]

HevySmG you BecomE MaGNeetO

[past mesa]

Must be a government plant

[sturdy glen]

what the fuck is happening

[neon gust]

developer planted polayer

[sturdy glen]

sir what are your thoughts on precision rifle

[past mesa]

I like the sniper

The one with the cool thermal scope

[soft crater]

I once questioned another vet player for having Heavy SMG and the guy proceeded to sandbag me every now and then just for that

"Oh the heavy smg killed the giant"
"Oh why didn't I let you choose my loadout beforehand"

[sturdy glen]

I mean I use har im not that good of a source lol

[upper ginkgo]

idk sounds like you deserve it

[dry pumice]

sandbag?

[soft crater]

I didn't have any ill intention behind it

[upper ginkgo]

"Hey don't bring x weapons, it's bad" -> 🔇

[soft crater]

I questioned why he brought it

didn't say he shouldn't have brought it

[upper ginkgo]

oh mb....

[soft crater]

but he chose passive aggressive violence

[past mesa]

I mean I love you when people tell me the meta guns are bad

You shouldn’t take hel rev

It isn’t good

[upper ginkgo]

it literally isnt

How are you going to wave clear with 8 bullets

[tardy ingot]

Hel revo bad
Heavy smg goood

[neon gust]

impossible

[past mesa]

Pr has 8 bullets

Really let that sink in

[soft crater]

I can't wait to see the Twin Scatter_Dragon

still strange Scatter is mag loaded but only 2 shots

[neon gust]

because they where to lazy to make parts for an actual gun

literally the only reason

they only did like 2 parts, slap an sight from alpha gtfo

[soft crater]

scatter gun in my mind is like the Kickback for Ogryns in Darktide (basically a 40mm grenade launcher but with 40mm buckshot)

[forest lily]

No idea if this is actually meant for me or not, but it’s actually funny seeing people recoil from my gun choices.

The precision rifle is awesome, it SWEEPS smaller guys. Just gotta hit headshots which honestly doesn’t seem super hard with it. Super easy to use, it’s got a weird left hand side thing where you have to aim abit to the right but you get used to it. Super nice as a thermal secondary!

[tardy ingot]

Awful reload speed. Could just use revolver for 1 tapping smalls

Garbage into chargers and giants

[forest lily]

Very true!

[soft crater]

most of the people reacting are experienced/vets

precision rifle though. just niche

[forest lily]

Oh no I don’t think it’s a bad thing, it’s just all fun. The precision is absolutely a niche gun for sure.

[dry pumice]

maybe if damage was buffed to 15 it would be alright... or OP. I Don't know. Doesn't feel OP.

Kill charger in 2 perfect shots, big deal. Any other interesting breakpoints?

[past mesa]

No

It doesn’t get much besides getting longer range scout kills

[dry pumice]

kill giant in...uh...

yeah

[past mesa]

8

[dry pumice]

perfect giant kill in exactly 8 rounds

[sturdy glen]

itd get 3 shot tumor on tank

[past mesa]

In a mag but we can already do that

[past mesa]

Amazing

[sturdy glen]

4 shot hybrid head instead of 6

thats mildly significant ig

[dry pumice]

Mmmmm, 2 hybrids per flawless mag

that's kinda alright

Now that's a special

Honestly 3 bullets into chargers wouldn't be so bad if the thing had ammo to support it

With each day i miss the 12 mag

it was fine

what was wrong?

[craggy pier]

I think they thought it'll be as op as r6 sniper

6 per refill and max ammo of 18 or so

[spare yacht]

sup yall

just curious any tips on evading atttacks from any monsters

[native sun]

If you're just sprinting straight at an enemy you can run past them before they get their attack off, if you're in front of them when they start their attack your best bet is to run/strafe to the side.

Generally not advisable to try to run backwards, their attacks have quite long range. Other than that, play near cover so you can hide behind something.

[winged turtle]

^^^ Tru speaks the true true

[spare yacht]

so if facing them always strafe side ways? unless if it's ia giant ?

[naive vale]

How difficult is R2C2?

Noticed not too many want to play it.

[soft crater]

when you reflexively dodge shooter projectiles even up close

It's lowkey scary how I've done this to a stray shooter projectile when a teammate woke them up near me

[spare yacht]

shouldn't be that bad, if i recall r2d2 was far more difficult

[winged turtle]

always strafe side ways, best way to dodge tongue attacks, and almost the best way to dodge shooter attacks

[winged turtle]

after R1C1, that level is the next wall new players hit

[soft crater]

me who crouches last second to dodge shooter projectiles

[winged turtle]

and lose movement? third best way to dodge shooters

[spare yacht]

weird how projectiles have a slight homing curve when it's shot at you

[soft crater]

to be fair. you can slide last second as well

[spare yacht]

slide?!

[soft crater]

it has no animation

but it is a thing

just looks like you're crouching moving really fast

[spare yacht]

thought you meant like a modern warfare slide, i'm thinking that I don't think i ever seen anyone in gtfo do that

oo

[soft crater]

Slides can be used for multiple things

take note.

you can slide and stand back up into a sprint again

it's how some people shoot on the move without losing sprint speed

(though it's typically hip fire)

I had a phase where I did slide shots a lot with shotgun

[spare yacht]

oh

[winged turtle]

there is too much tech in this game to learn at once, take your answers and go!

otherwise we will spend the next 4 hours throwing up stats, strats and exceptions at you

[spare yacht]

hours upon hours doing rundowns and failing lol

[winged turtle]

usually its fundamentals not tech you are needing

what have you been failing on recently?

[spare yacht]

just reached earler r4b1 earlier

[winged turtle]

ah

R4 and R5

idk what those are like w/o all optionals, but its a completely different game like that

[spare yacht]

yeah ugh

[cold quarry]

slides would be better IMO with even the slightest animation

took me like a hundred hours to realize it even existed

[hazy dirge]

I’ve been running pistol alongside the sniper and I was wondering if anyone has any alternatives they like to run with sniper

[neon gust]

any primary as long as you abide to its playstyle

[icy cave]

Rarely_seen_in_asia_Dragon is right. The most important is to play to the weapons strength

[gloomy laurel]

So I just picked up the game and literally never played:
From what I understand: The original levels got removed as new "rundowns"(sets of levels) got added, and now they are back with variations called Alts?
Does it matter what rundown you start with as a new player? Like are higher level rundowns harder, or does each rundown start at a similar difficulty and get harder each floor?

[neon gust]

just go in order

like any normal person

[icy cave]

It's all over the place really diff wise

Start on R1

[gloomy laurel]

Alright

[icy cave]

Ez to hard would be: R1->R3->R2/R6->R7->R4->R5

[hazy dirge]

I’ve heard R7 is pretty good for easing in

[icy cave]

It's actually horrible

[hazy dirge]

At least the first couple

Ah, bad info then haha

[neon gust]

A1 its alright from r7

[icy cave]

R7A1 is the easiest level. But when reverting to R1 players be like: where checkpoints, where voice acting etc etc etc

[neon gust]

but imo its just better to go in order since it makes more sense

and introduces the new enemies and such naturaly

[hazy dirge]

Only been in R1 and it seems pretty alright, checkpoints sound nice tho

[icy cave]

This as well is a big one as Majority_in_africa_dragon says

[icy cave]

they sound nice, they horrible

[neon gust]

checkpoints need to be removed at this point

[icy cave]

should have never been added

[hazy dirge]

Horrible for making bad habits?

[icy cave]

They have as much chance of breaking the run as to saving it

[neon gust]

the feature its broken anyways

[icy cave]

this too but they are just flat out broken and riddled with bugs

[hidden ridge]

I'll never get the hate for a feature you can choose to opt out of

[icy cave]

Because it just don fit the game m8

[tardy ingot]

Bad habits and the reason for a lot of the gamebreaking bugs

[neon gust]

like if r8 its the end

then remove them

makes no sense to have them for 3 rundowns

[icy cave]

It's just a cave in from the devs and they have not been able to fix em since introduction. meaning they'll probably never fix em

[gloomy laurel]

well part of this is its it no longer the same original progression they are alts now right?
So idk how much the ALT versions changed which is why I asked

[tardy ingot]

Mostly the same

[icy cave]

Almost nothing changed

[hidden ridge]

Describe how... R5A2 introduces ||Snatchers|| naturally?

[neon gust]

theyre the same shit aside from a room flipped here and there

[icy cave]

same levels, minor lay-out changes, some enemies introduced earlier than originally

[tardy ingot]

C-scout never had a natural introduction either

[neon gust]

if you hear the audio log in r4e1 it makes sense

[icy cave]

Fair

[hidden ridge]

Fair point.

[neon gust]

my man trying to be slicked

[hazy dirge]

Was there any intro to ||Shadows|| in R1?

[neon gust]

d1

[icy cave]

Same as OG

[hazy dirge]

Felt pretty out of nowhere unless I missed a log

[neon gust]

its in the objective name

[hidden ridge]

I dont think many players will CLEAR rundowns in order barring R1, really

[icy cave]

Nah cause R2E1 will be a hard wall

[hidden ridge]

Most would get stuck at R2D2, R2E1, R4Ds or R4E1

[neon gust]

i dont care if they do but if you go in order it makes sense

[icy cave]

But then you are 2 rundowns in

[hidden ridge]

They might aswell just jump to another rundown at that point

[hidden ridge]

Kinda unreasonable compared to R7C1 intro

[icy cave]

Yeah but you don't really miss anything by skipping R2E1 except the whole Why and how we got the objective from R3

[hazy dirge]

What objective name?

[neon gust]

Reactor_shutdown

[icy cave]

And that ONE enemy

[hidden ridge]

I dont like how the game's narration went from lost logs in terminals to glorified audiologs, but at least it's easier to grasp and hard to miss

[hazy dirge]

And that tells me there’s going to be that enemy type?

[hidden ridge]

Comparing to ||fliers intro in R6B1||

[neon gust]

we were fine on audiologs and emails until rundown 6 fuked it all up

[hazy dirge]

That doesn’t make sense

[icy cave]

Honestly I think the transition from R2 to R3 is good. you pick up the thing in R2E1 and in R3A1 you still got the thing

[neon gust]

thematically, its suppose to be a surprise

lights go out, this new thing appears

[hidden ridge]

It did, by being too direct about it, but at least it made for reasonable enough introduction to enemies imho

[neon gust]

very much wowser

[hidden ridge]

Like, it's bad, but it's coherent

[gloomy laurel]

So wait are rundowns the same locations every time or are things like cards/doors randomized?

[hidden ridge]

Sure, that's true

[neon gust]

i only remember shaeffer moaning at my ear for 10 min

[icy cave]

Nah maps are static

[hazy dirge]

Fair enough, I guess it’s not as crazy impactful as a new mechanic but a neat surprise

Not like you weren’t going to use your flashlight anyway

[hidden ridge]

Yes that's all R6-7 maps save for a bunch

[neon gust]

i just want r8 to settle thje romance of schaeffer and henrikson

so they can end this game

[gloomy laurel]

So if you've already played a level you dont need to do things like query or ping because you already know where to go?
Are enemies also static?

[icy cave]

Enemy and objects are randomised, altho within a fixed zone

[hidden ridge]

I hate that a lot, but it's a tad more atmospheric than "lights out now bad guy you never saw or got teased for spawns, good luck"

[icy cave]

So you need to ping and query anyways

[hidden ridge]

Querying some stuff is useless since it always the same zone

Like querying key in R1A1

[icy cave]

Objectives sometimes will have 2 zones it can spawn in. so it will be 21 or 22 for example

[hidden ridge]

Pinging usually isn't

[icy cave]

So you query to know which one

[hidden ridge]

Listen to Disco Baguette Genetics

[icy cave]

Eksdee

[neon gust]

i mostly hate r6 on the audio since it took quite the time

you kinda just sit there listening for 10 min

sometimes in combat

[icy cave]

R6A1 door to big room ......

[neon gust]

wich makes no fucking sense

[icy cave]

D you remember me !!!!

[neon gust]

since im trying to kill sutff infront

[hidden ridge]

Yeah R6A1 is particularly annoying about it

[neon gust]

but apparently they need to shove lore up my ass while their at it

replayabality just goes to shit

and theres no way to turn it off neither

[icy cave]

Start slow ass scan to force you to listen every.single.time

[neon gust]

r6c1 was worse

[icy cave]

Normal people would say: Down my throat. But you do you.

[icy cave]

Fair

[tardy ingot]

R6A1 long sec door
R6C1 long sec doors
were both terrible design

[icy cave]

Oh we agree absolutely

[neon gust]

not rude enough for me

[hidden ridge]

I had the feeling of R6 as a step towards the "suits told us to cater to mass appeal"

[tardy ingot]

like 8 min or so of the r6c1 run were spend waiting for the teleport area and those scans

[hidden ridge]

When did Tencent acquire 10chambers?

taboo topic?

[icy cave]

Fair 13%_responsible_for_53%_Dragon

This one is for you @drowsy hawk

[neon gust]

nah

they still have "creative freedom" or whatever that means

[hidden ridge]

Frankly, I do not believe that one bit

Not with Tencent

[neon gust]

nobody does

its just corporate talk

[hidden ridge]

I expect a GTFO 2 that'll basically be what most people thought GTFO would be, spooky underground Payday 2

[icy cave]

GTFO 2 will also retro actively re add the rundowns from GTFO 😂

[gloomy laurel]

is there any time scaling?
or is there no penalty for going as slow as you want?

[icy cave]

Depends on the level.

[past mesa]

No penalties most of the time

[icy cave]

For most: No go as slow as you want

[neon gust]

GTFO 2 will finally have all the cool stuff

[hidden ridge]

MAPPER

[past mesa]

Just do learn to go faster

[hidden ridge]

PLACEABLE LRF

[past mesa]

Spending 4 hours on an a teir

[neon gust]

wowowowowwo

too much technology

cant do that

[past mesa]

Ain’t it cheif

[icy cave]

Cosmetic rewards for PE runs

[gloomy laurel]

I got up to use the bathroom (playing w bots) was just curious

[icy cave]

It always scares me

[tardy ingot]

Biggest one is being scorned by the community