gtfo-related-questions

[craggy pier]

yea they really buffed r4d2 by letting you finish the 2nd to last alarm super fast thanks to a tiny room which the person can perma foam and help do scans

[weary mesa]

Thanks for the input Badger

Love to see it

[craggy pier]

same with the 3rd to last alarm, where the scans travel shorter as well

because the tile is reversed

so you get the scans on ramp instead of the stairs

damn you really are mad because i said you are wrong

[weary mesa]

huh

[ocean spindle]

oh

[craggy pier]

anyways if you don't believe me, do the 3rd to last alarm again and compare it to the original

the scans split way faster

[lone mortar]

Mimir till i turn to ze rare creature

[craggy pier]

you also get a ladder on the first charger scan and that's literally free pens for hel weapons

so the only charger alarm that is actually significant is the last one but thanks to the last 2 alarms that are so easy to perma foam plus the first charger alarm is literally solo holdable even if the defender is doing scans, you should have at least 2 to 6 uses of ammo after refilling everyone anyways

in the end, the last charger alarm is a non issue for people to shoot

the entire level is nerfed

[dry pumice]

Gud

[craggy pier]

you also have an extra 2 uses of ammo in extreme because one of the blood door zones have a 2 use ammo instead of 4 like the other two

while in alt, all 3 blood door zones have 4 uses of ammo

i don't see how the combined changes to the level is a buff

but do enlighten me

[dry pumice]

We can write that off as the buff to fun

[craggy pier]

no, it forces you to have someone run hel weapons

while in the original, revolver go bang bang

but hel weapons kinda fun i guess

oh idk if pubs do that, but you can foam ladder for the first charger scan as well, then a hel gun or rifle can just nuke the waves in 6 shots

yea the charger alarms are really a buff to the level

but if you decided to not perma foam it, then i guess it's a buff as the 2nd charger alarm is kinda hard to shoot

but the 3rd one is solo holdable if one person stands in the room with the big door

[dry pumice]

Pubs absolutely do not do that

[craggy pier]

you get a straight funnel and hel rifle gets super free pens

but the downside is waves respawn fast because you're too efficient with hel rifle

4 to 6 shots = entire charger wave dead

so you might not be able to catch up with the wave

so yea please do enlighten me how r4d2pe is a buff because i cannot see it

[hardy grotto]

i doubt ur getting a response lmao

[dry pumice]

Seems like a fair trade to me

[hearty aspen]

dont you just line and revolver the shet out of the alarm?

[craggy pier]

in the original you can

[dry pumice]

Did I correctly understood the implication that enemies been upscaled to chargers?

This was a normal level before?

[craggy pier]

basically you have like 7 alarms

[past mesa]

i wonder why?

[hearty aspen]

honestly it funny how you can just use a single main weapon booster and then make it a normal revolver with 1 hs kill striker,with pen

[craggy pier]

first 2 are basically free because you can finish the 2nd one with the waves from the first one

[hearty aspen]

who even use the 2nd revolver then

[craggy pier]

3rd is pretty much free as well

[hardy grotto]

armor multi guy wasnt built for this i think

[craggy pier]

4th is pretty free for hel weapons

5th is pretty free when you perma foam

6th is super free when you perma foam

7th is not very free if you are bad at shooting

[weary mesa]

Can I become a meme

TLDR R4 Hel Revo + BC

[hearty aspen]

then again hel rev is bust

[dry pumice]

I have my doubts about your definition of free

[craggy pier]

but

hear me out

[hearty aspen]

iirc the og hel rev when it first come at R4 EX was like, 4 pen?

instead of 2

[craggy pier]

if we had r4 arsenal then the level is a buff

because no hel specials

and nerfed sniper sentry

this is why i miss rundown specific weapons

[dry pumice]

Eh, fair enough I suppose

Still, that level was brutal.

[craggy pier]

i don't think so

[past mesa]

everyone who chats becomes a meme in the end

[hardy grotto]

cats

[weary mesa]

This is true

[past mesa]

umm

what do you mean ?

[sacred dew]

cats

[hardy grotto]

bros meowing in the gtfo chat

[dry pumice]

How many wipes it took me again? 3, 4?

[past mesa]

meow

[sacred dew]

meow

[dry pumice]

Lost counts... I think 4, at least.

[craggy pier]

i wish my cat isn't so fat

[hearty aspen]

now imagine we have scatter on r6 to finish it

the thing literally a gtfo version of BFG lol

[sacred dew]

scattergun is overrated

[craggy pier]

@weary mesa but still

[dry pumice]

They should nerf the damage and buff mag size

[craggy pier]

please explain it

please please please

[weary mesa]

I already did sire

[craggy pier]

you didn't

[hearty aspen]

idk, 1 shot BBC sound not for me

[craggy pier]

i need your epic 3000 hour analysis why alt r4d2pe is a buff

[sacred dew]

use helgun lol

[past mesa]

since we can use booster it is a nerf

[hearty aspen]

roundly 260dmg in 2second is kinda ouch

[past mesa]

easy

!

[craggy pier]

but he said it was a buff

can you not read

[past mesa]

correct

[craggy pier]

i'm sorry for your loss

[past mesa]

dw it happens

[buoyant drift]

Hmm , I don't feel like being faster while sliding 🤔

[hardy grotto]

idk, scans being bigger doesnt make much of a difference when one of them is a tiny ass room compared to og lmao

[dry pumice]

Why is he on a burner account again...

[hardy grotto]

ur not faster

[craggy pier]

THANK YOU BETH

[brittle mural]

Preserving stamina is what you're actually doing

[hearty aspen]

tbh scatter saved me on some run when someone screw up and wake the BBC room lol

[hardy grotto]

that whole alarm is so much easier

[past mesa]

TBH sliding preserves so little stam

that if you are taking stupid lines you lose it anyways

[sacred dew]

people slide outta habit, not for stam

[hardy grotto]

^

[past mesa]

i slide for stam

[brittle mural]

REAL

[hardy grotto]

yea u would

[hearty aspen]

people used to slide for spd boost back in the day

[craggy pier]

he didn't know about the deadly legacy so he doesn't know

[hearty aspen]

a little more spd,but it was there

[sacred dew]

no longer

[past mesa]

i want to hear more about the deadly legacy

pls

[brittle mural]

Deadly legacy?

[sacred dew]

wake up old man, the rundown is over, it's alt now

[craggy pier]

i don't know who you are

[hearty aspen]

one reason why you can just run in a straight line,room after room and not getting licked once back then

[hardy grotto]

never forget

[hearty aspen]

[craggy pier]

let's talk about the real level buff of alt r4, which is

[ocean spindle]

a1

[craggy pier]

alt r4b1

[ocean spindle]

:]

[craggy pier]

i miss leaving reactor with 20 uses of ammo

[buoyant drift]

Fair enough , movement tricks can destroy the balance actually

[spark wolf]

permafoam can destroy the balance

[dry pumice]

Should've done the killing floor thing...

[hearty aspen]

funny how circle kite still work on that context

[spark wolf]

with foam

the level is the exact same in difficulty

??

harder even cuz cleanup is only chargers

you fight one wave of chargers every alarm

instead of one wave of strikers

[dry pumice]

R4 is the rundown that made me absolutely sick of chargers

I'm so tired of them

[civic wave]

wasn't that bad in the original

they just looked at alt and went "yeah this could use more chargers"

[dry pumice]

Oh god

Do~ Do you think they will do this to R6 as well

[hearty aspen]

did you enjoy c3?

r5 make me sick of shadow though

[tardy ingot]

R5 and shadows? huh

[hearty aspen]

R5D1

[past mesa]

r4d2 is buffed when you dont take bio

[hardy grotto]

so true

[dry pumice]

😭

[hearty aspen]

tried R5D1/E1 once,sick with shadow since

i would rather deal with chargers pass that point,at least i can see what am i shooting at

[dry pumice]

I agree

[stoic breach]

🔺

[ocean spindle]

triangle :O

[hearty aspen]

giant shadow were even more annoying just because how obnoxious those guy poses are

it was untill thermal that i could clearly see their poses,and i was like : "what kinda attack on titan shet had i been dealing with?"

[dry pumice]

Yeah, I can't imagine wtf people were doing before thermals

[tardy ingot]

biotracker
flashlights
bodyshots

[past star]

Eyes

[tardy ingot]

bread you know eyes have been outlawed since 1967

[past star]

[civic wave]

also audio

[winged turtle]

the audio ban of '83 was particularly rough

[civic wave]

i thought the audioban was where germans drove their cars at 150mph

[ivory imp]

Oh no

[winged turtle]

the only place you are allowed to drive an audiovan

[ivory imp]

I got extremely trolled trying to do R2C1 earlier, hopefully the attempt shortly won't be a repeat

[mossy aurora]

all the thermal weapons suck against shadow giants anyways

unless ur using the pdw sniper quick swap

but players that do that probably didnt have problems with them in the first place

[winged turtle]

doing the frontest uplink last is a huge convenience

[ivory imp]

Frontest?

[dry pumice]

I meant more so knowing the specifics of their body structure and movements

Flashlights were the obvious answer, but eh

[mossy aurora]

ah

yeah you can see them pretty clearly in some lightings

[ivory imp]

The Light of Allah, aka Long Range Flashlight

[winged turtle]

front most, most frontest

[ivory imp]

So. Whichever would be closest to extract would be done last, or?

[past mesa]

yeah

or you can cancel every alarm with uplinks

[weary mesa]

You think it could cancel Blood door spawns

[past mesa]

no

but scout waves!

[weary mesa]

lmao

[winged turtle]

lmao

[dry pumice]

🍝💾

[winged turtle]

floppy pasta?

[ivory imp]

Cooked pasta moment

[hidden ridge]

Was what we were trying to do

But a guy went afk without saying a word on the class 3 team scan

He also had bio

[winged turtle]

rip

[hidden ridge]

Guy was fun for the wrong reasons though

"Can I shoot scout?" "Yeah just headshot him" Shots, misses "You told me I could shoot Scout!"

He sounded either high or drunk or incredibly tired

[mossy aurora]

Was his name a stringed instrument typically played in a band?

[hidden ridge]

no something like cecen jedi or whatever

[mossy aurora]

Unlucky, you were not blessed by his presence

[dry pumice]

Reminds me of that time someone asked what's the best main is, I said HEL revo and about 20 minutes later in another run:
BANG
...

"YOU TOLD ME IT COULD ONESHOT SCOUTS!"
"THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID"

[ocean spindle]

:]

[icy cave]

He obviously had not the force on his side

[icy cave]

People are just not listening very well

[ocean spindle]

i never listen to nothin but my smg sounds

[icy cave]

you could have stopped at the word "nothing"

[ocean spindle]

the smg sounds r cool sue me

[dry pumice]

I keep forgetting to try smg again...

[ocean spindle]

:]

[hardy grotto]

LOL

[neon gust]

How to play smg

look at enemy

shoot until it dies

reload

[ocean spindle]

enjoy the sounds

[brisk lion]

Is the smg or bullpup better?

[ocean spindle]

ummm

they r both not that great tbh

[brisk lion]

Damn

[ocean spindle]

but if i had to choose one..... i guess the bullpup?

but its really up to u ngl

i dislike the bullpup heavily cause its reload its 70 minutes long

[brisk lion]

are there any guns that have a similar use that are better

[ocean spindle]

well assault rifle is pretty nice for medium distances, and has pretty low recoil, burst rifle is that but a bit more range n in burst form, pdw is very nice for short distances and the thermal scope is useful machinep is very aggresive closequarters combat

oh and carbine which is like burst rifle but basically faster

[dry pumice]

At face value:
They basically have same dmg and magazine values. The difference is that SMG has a strong damage fall off, but with quick reload while Bullpup is a lot better at ranged damage dealing, but reloads 3 times the time.

Also Bullpup basically has like no recoil and is laser-precise when aiming down sights.

Otherwise: both are infamously flawed and there are better guns you should be using.

[neon gust]

bullpup have a 1x pres damage

helps a lot when nailing weakspots

[dry pumice]

If you want close range fuck off primary - just get PDW instead and just hipfire it.
If you want ranged efficiency - bring DMR, Double Tap or even just The Rifle.

[ocean spindle]

those r not automatics tho

also The Rifle just kinda sounds funny :3

The Rifle

[dry pumice]

Yeah...

[wintry kayak]

smg loses to carbine in almost all aspects

apart from the carbine not being full auto

that’s more of a case of the carbine being too good than it is a case of the smg being bad though

I actually like the smg

I wish heavy smg was better

[winged turtle]

ahem Rifle Rifle

[ocean spindle]

Mr Rifle

[winged turtle]

noooo

Rifle Rifle

[ocean spindle]

Rifle R Rifle :]

[winged turtle]

is the full name

only when he is a lawyer do you call him that

[ocean spindle]

and when is he completin the career

[winged turtle]

soon, he just needs One More Big Job before he retires and returns to his simple life as a FireArm

[ocean spindle]

:O

much luck to Him

[dry pumice]

okay, where's the wiki

Drekker Pres MOD 556 Rifle

goddammit, its fuckin' drekker

[winged turtle]

he comes from a long and proud line of Drekkers

[dry pumice]

he got a brother somewhere, give me 5 minutes

[craggy pier]

big baddie special brother

[ocean spindle]

ur gtfo knowledge! u should b able to just say who it is >:O

[dry pumice]

Precision Rifle is the sister

Only 2 Drekkers

[craggy pier]

Drekker INEX Drei

[dry pumice]

hm

[ocean spindle]

precision rifle is no binary dont ask me why at all i dont think anymore

[dry pumice]

oh right, Scatter is Drekker too

what a weird family

[craggy pier]

is this your mental illness speaking?

[ocean spindle]

pls dont say that

[dry pumice]

like okay all Accrats are no recoil low caliber things

[ocean spindle]

to anyone

like fr fr, fr :]

[winged turtle]

Scatter is the disappointed father

[dry pumice]

all bucklands are shotguns

[ocean spindle]

this is gtfo chat

also ifuckin love omneco

idk why

[craggy pier]

i did i will

[ocean spindle]

but the fact that hel gun n hel rifle r both omneco, and u can find omneco gas tanks in the levels

[civic wave]

because hel gun funny, even funnier before it got nerfed

[ocean spindle]

OHMYGODIS SOOOOOG OOD

i love this game

[civic wave]

still need to learn about cornell industries light fixtures

[craggy pier]

is that why he beats me every night?

[dry pumice]

so we got...

[winged turtle]

hmmmm

[dry pumice]

a half assed mid range home defense rifle

[ocean spindle]

whats up with cornell industried?

:O

[civic wave]

idk, their name is all over light fixtures but we don't know shit about them

[dry pumice]

a weird sniper thing with full auto mode for some reason

and then big fucking shotgun

[ocean spindle]

oh thats cool sdmkmks

[dry pumice]

I think they're the company that's just bored and does whatever

[ocean spindle]

i fukin love so much how this game just uses invented companies, and how theres so many of em, and how even if the weirdest settins they connect in some way AAAA

[craggy pier]

I’m back for one more question

how long is a run usually?

[ocean spindle]

hii!

usually a level can b between 30 mins or... 2 hours!

[craggy pier]

o o o

good to know

[ocean spindle]

but depends a lot in ur skill level and the level ur doin

r1a1 might take u 50 mins or so, thats usually the standart

but with good skill u might get it someday under 30 mins

:D

[winged turtle]

or under 10

[craggy pier]

consider it done is 15 mins

tomorrow

by me

[ocean spindle]

:^

[winged turtle]

noice

[ocean spindle]

if u so say sooooo

[winged turtle]

That's the spirit!

[ocean spindle]

now that i think about i i shouldve used b1 as an example cause the difference is way more

like b1 can take 1 30 or.. 2 minutes

is weird

[craggy pier]

is it like

[winged turtle]

true

[dry pumice]

Easy / short (no direct correlation) missions take 25-30

[craggy pier]

r1a1 - r1a2 - r1a3

[dry pumice]

that's with players

[craggy pier]

then R2-A1

or what

[dry pumice]

you can add +30% to that with bots

average mission time is like 45 minutes

also add some because of bots

they delay your exploration efforts by a mile

[ocean spindle]

when u enter a rundown theres many missions, a rundown is a set of levels and it can vary
Rundown 1 is A1, B1, B2... but R3 is A1 A2 and A3

its just varied

[craggy pier]

okokok

[soft crater]

[craggy pier]

so the R stands for Rundowncand it’s the main

whole thing

[ocean spindle]

basically A tiers r easy n simple, B tiers r mediums n hard, C tiers is where stuff gets multiple tries, D tiers r very hard and E tier is the hardest level ever :D

[dry pumice]

Yes

[ocean spindle]

also yeah R is from rundown, R1 R2 R3

[dry pumice]

Rundown = Campaign
ABCD[number] = the specified level

[ocean spindle]

and then R1A1 would b the Rundown 1, level A1

[soft crater]

[craggy pier]

perfect

[dry pumice]

ABCD is basically difficulty levels:
A = Easy
B = Normal
C = Advanced
D = Hard
E = Very Hard

[icy cave]

technically only one E can be the hardest, the others just follow

[winged turtle]

other people suggest you go R1 -> R2 ->R3

i suggest you go R1A1 -> R2A1 -> R3A1 -> R3A2

a mix of those two methods is probably best

[craggy pier]

you guys are so nice

[ocean spindle]

no u >:]

[craggy pier]

I hope I will find people like you in my runs 😭

[winged turtle]

pve games with small communities

[dry pumice]

Nah, i'm just bored and got nothing better to do then scan this chat for opportunity to drown people in game trivia

[craggy pier]

how bout no

[winged turtle]

how about yes!

[soft crater]

R6C3 > R6A1* (going by a guide by a random lfg I found once. Fucking hilarious)

[icy cave]

You are better off dealing with R1 as a whole so you can never look back

[craggy pier]

dw I usually buy games put myself 100% understand it and then dip and play my main games

[winged turtle]

any time!!

[ocean spindle]

id say play rundown 1 until u get stuck or complete it, then jump into r2, then when u get stuck in r2 go to rundown 3 n such n such n such :D

but usually completin it is not that hard if u commit

c1 might take u a few many tries

[craggy pier]

yk what

[ocean spindle]

tho

[winged turtle]

[craggy pier]

I go look for a game in LFG now

[ocean spindle]

damn :O

[winged turtle]

good luck!!

[craggy pier]

ill make bread outta you

[soft crater]

Most newcomers get stuck R1C1

[ocean spindle]

yep :3

[soft crater]

[winged turtle]

i will make an army out of you

[ocean spindle]

i will make a precision rifle out of you

[soft crater]

I'll make Speshal Brownies outta u

[icy cave]

Until they find a carry

[dry pumice]

you will make me long, thick and shoot my load way too fast before having to reload for some time?

[craggy pier]

4th reich

[winged turtle]

[soft crater]

Or told to just take 4 sentries/3 sentry-1bio setups

[winged turtle]

[ocean spindle]

owo

woops

that comes out really bad

[ocean spindle]

i mean to tag this

sorry !

my baaaad that was bad qwq

[icy cave]

there we go !

[soft crater]

It pains me the swastika is originally a Buddhist symbol.

[icy cave]

Now people talking

[dry pumice]

just mirror it

its fixed

and then laugh at the idiots who don't know the difference

[past mesa]

Wtf

[craggy pier]

its mirrored you uncultured ogre

[past mesa]

Is this chat

Where is my gtfo related question

[icy cave]

bruh, do you read what you put down?

[dry pumice]

I knew exactly what i was doing

[craggy pier]

where are the mods

[soft crater]

Doesn't change the fact of where it was influenced from

[ocean spindle]

gayness :3

[past mesa]

Loafy is online

[craggy pier]

was it?

[icy cave]

In that case: fair enuff

[past mesa]

All you have to do is @ the active ones

[craggy pier]

seems he's disconnected from reality

[soft raft]

he is xoxo

[lusty bramble]

@past mesa

[warm arch]

what does LF# mean

[ocean spindle]

Looking for #, its to see how many players can join the lobby
LF2 means they r lookin for only two people, LF1 means they r only lookin for one more

[warm arch]

ty

[soft crater]

I thought it was someone holding shift and they pressed 3 but the shift being held caused it to be # instead

[lone mortar]

Jish when no cell skip

[safe sun]

Heyo, if a level appears with grey checks on 'em does that mean were completed or are still needed to be complete?

[ocean spindle]

what do u mean by grey checks?

[raven cliff]

does 1 blob from the c-foam launcher wake up the mother if the mother is sleeping?

[ocean spindle]

no the cfoam launcher is completel silent i think

u could foam a giant blob by blob

[severe river]

Just bought the game

Any tips?

[ocean spindle]

um yeh! b sure to play the tutorial TRAINING, start on Rundown 1 cause is the simplest one

and if ur gonna join n share lobbies, use the LFG channels, they r better than the in-game matchmakin

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[ocean spindle]

just ask to not b carried and make sure everyone in ur lobby is in ur vc

[severe river]

Thanks a lot

[ocean spindle]

is no worries, much good luck to ur runs

[jaunty bear]

tip:

all guns are viable

its pretty much down to if you're trash with the gun you currently use or not

at that point its understanding the weapons role

which is crowd controlling / single target killing

[lone mortar]

Do ask to be carried

[hidden ridge]

wait which keyboard has that?

because to me that's £

[craggy pier]

qwerty keyboards

[hidden ridge]

mine's qwerty too technically

[craggy pier]

shift + 3 makes #

[hidden ridge]

it doesn't

consider that some EU countries have qwerty too

So I think there's us layout qwerty and eu layout qwerty

[craggy pier]

i forgot mine is a spanish one

shouldnt be that different tho 🤔

[icy cave]

ola

[neon gust]

Tu nariz por mis bolas

[icy cave]

don't most EU have qwerty?

[icy cave]

I don't swing that way Minority_Dragon ask @craggy pier tho he is in for it

[craggy pier]

yes 🥸

[icy cave]

apply to disproportionately_present_in_crime_statistics_Dragon

[craggy pier]

dont you have a job to be at by now

[icy cave]

its weekend m8

I never work weekends

thats what you get with higher jobs

[hidden ridge]

This flex was offered by DJDNA

DJDNA: french flexing excellence

[icy cave]

😎

[icy cave]

I'll leave you peasants so you can prepare to go to work

[craggy pier]

curse your weekends

[icy cave]

Go complain to Melanistic_Dragon's bolas

[craggy pier]

recents news taking a toll on your soul?

[icy cave]

??

I don't get that one

[craggy pier]

the warzone that is france rn

[icy cave]

ah but thats the thing, I do not live there 🙂

[proper condor]

They probably Answered this a lot already. But will they ever do a console port?

[neon gust]

No

[proper condor]

Dang, looks like I gotta start saving up.

[neon gust]

They cant barely support the game on pc

Maybe after it fully releases

[proper condor]

Still in early access?

[neon gust]

No

I mean kinda

😭

Its a long story my friend

[proper condor]

Right now, my options are either save up for a PC. Or wait for a console port

[neon gust]

But no console support

Aside from that you gotta use the terminap

[proper condor]

So my only option is save up for a PC.

Cool

[neon gust]

And you do need keyboard and mouse for that

[neon gust]

Yes

[proper condor]

Well I'm boned

[neon gust]

Happens

Question is are you gonna play alone or with a friend?

[proper condor]

Depends if it costs money.

[neon gust]

What

[proper condor]

The game

[neon gust]

I mean yes the game cost money

You pc gonna cost money

Everything will cost money

[proper condor]

Then when I have everything

Yes

Friends it is

[neon gust]

Good

Playinf alone its bad

[proper condor]

horrifying and hard

[neon gust]

This game 1000 times better with someone you care

[proper condor]

I saw Markiplier do a solo run

Looked difficult.

[neon gust]

Eh once you undertand the basics your pretty much done

[proper condor]

I would only use mines

[craggy pier]

oh

[solemn flint]

Not rlly

Consider the fact that you have so much resource and you dont have to share it to anyone

[proper condor]

Well yeah

[civic wave]

The difficulty in this game rarely comes from the amount of resources you have tbh

[craggy pier]

its all about what you have to do and under what circumstances

r7c3 was a great example of dont need resources until you have to do an alarm

[ivory imp]

What should I expect from R2D2?

[wintry kayak]

lots of fun

[ivory imp]

🤔

[icy cave]

Reactor like R1C1

with a twist

At least depends on what you already did, level wise

[ivory imp]

👍

[buoyant drift]

Does anyone know which rundown will be deleted in next update ?
Or no rundown will be deleted ?
Not sure how it works

[ocean spindle]

no rundown will b deleted

they only get added now

and the next one is ALT:// Rundown 6

[dry pumice]

We stopped doing that, nothing will get deleted anymore

[ocean spindle]

we stopped
i knew it

[dry pumice]

That one's a relic of the game's... experimental phase.

[ocean spindle]

ur a 10c dev

:[

[icy cave]

If he was he would buff bullpup and nerf hel revo/veruta

[craggy pier]

Hello, I just got GTFO and was wondering what the ideal way to get into this game is. From what I understand playing with friends is the optimal way to be playing, but I'm sort of testing the game out before any of my friends commit. I hear solo is soul crushing, so should I just jump into lfg-beginners?

[brittle mural]

Yes

[icy cave]

yep

[ocean spindle]

runs with bots arent super hard, it means u need to basically do stealth urself but its feasible, even all of rundown 1

but this game is ussually more fun with people

so yeah u can jump there followin the rules n postin lobbies like #how-to-matchmake tells u to

just some advice!
be sure to do the tutorial first [Training], start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one, ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[craggy pier]

Premium thx for the response appreciated

[dry pumice]

Full friend group is the apex coop experience, yes, as usual.
Your friends will have to be aware that the game is brutal. It won't hit your squad immediately, but it will somewhere near R2D2 and R2E1. The game can get mean when it wants to be.

Otherwise you can try local LFG channels. RNG teammates are not optimal, but on occasion you might get a bored veteran carry who will tell you where to go, what to do and get all the importants things done - you probably won't even realise what was even the objective.

[icy cave]

you'll build up a circle of good teammates

it really is fine

[dry pumice]

I met that E1 guy again

[craggy pier]

I got my friends to play tarkov and they hate me for it so they'll prob love this, thanks again for the info

[dry pumice]

Lou Tenemen of what was his name...

Got a squad through R5C1

[icy cave]

Lou tenant

[ocean spindle]

always askin to not get carried baby

[icy cave]

he one of the good ones

[dry pumice]

Most certainly, doesn't even need a mic

[icy cave]

I really need to start doing R5 .....

soon R6

[stable walrus]

im pretty new to the game, so im wondering what rundown i should do to get started
i know the basics and some of the finer details

[ocean spindle]

hii, rundown 1 is usually the best place to start cause its the simplest rundown

[stable walrus]

then im on the right course

have actually been close to beating r1a1 solo, while waiting for my friends to get the game

but that was probably rather lucky

[icy cave]

nah R1A1 can be soloed no problem

so you good

you'll hit a wall around R1C1 probably

[stable walrus]

ah k

[soft crater]

With bots that is.

[icy cave]

yes

[tough grotto]

Hey guys, I want to join some team for my first run:

1. R1C1 -> I get what R1 is as I can see it on my map in-game, can some1 explain what C1 stands for? does it matter for me?
2. what NOT to do to not fuck up team's game? any tips/tricks?
   Thanks a lot!

[jagged shore]

Expedition 1 on Floor C
C2 is gonna be Expedition 2 on Floor C

[icy cave]

Deeper floor is higher difficulty

[icy cave]

communicate, do terminal stuff

[tough grotto]

so basically, "first" level wouldd be R1C1 correct?

[icy cave]

no R1A1

A is the easiest tier

[tough grotto]

ah, meant to write A not C , thanks for the answers very much!

[icy cave]

no worries

[vague bridge]

for tips: dont be afraid to fuck up a little. having confidence (of course not excessively) is a good way to learn the mechanics of the game

[bold anchor]

limit testing is part of the fun

[stable walrus]

listen to the environment

different sleepers make different sounds

regular ones are rather high pitched

gargantuan ones are very low pitched

and the forbidden spaghetti (scout) makes a noice when it sends out the noodles

use the sounds to understand what to do and what enemies there are around you

[midnight gazelle]

Chargers make fuckin alien noises

[icy cave]

don't spoil them. shhhh

[fervent pendant]

Does anybody know the command to search PDEC locations on the terminal? I thought it was LIST PDEC but I might be doing it wrong

[jagged shore]

you on r1c2?

cause on that now they're PD

dunno about other levels cause i haven't played another level that has them yet lol

[ocean spindle]

list a zone or several, usually that works to see the name of the thing ur searchin for

[strong maple]

the trio of tanks at the end R5D2, if the team decides to off them will they respawn?

[sturdy glen]

no

[strong maple]

thanks

[fervent pendant]

Yeah it is r1c2 dangit

[compact tendon]

Is there a better way to list items in a zone than "list zone X?"

[past mesa]

What are you looking for

List ammo zone_x

List res zone_x

You have two filters to work with

Use them

[compact tendon]

we're looking for all ammo, tool, and medpacks

[past mesa]

List res zone_e

[compact tendon]

perfect thank you

[fierce nebula]

skill issue

[wintry kayak]

if you ever come across a situation like this again just list an entire zone or the whole level without any other filters

[tardy ingot]

Just list each zone 1 by one

listing the level with no filters is troll

[wintry kayak]

I mean if you’re looking for the name of the objective items and you don’t know where they are you may as well list the whole level right

it’s usually only like 5 or 6 pages

[tardy ingot]

listing zones is quicker to check, easier to organize and actually tells you stuff about the level

and you only need 1 door for it usually

[hidden ridge]

I'll tell you a secret for R1C2 ||You always need to go through 3 zones out of the 4 you "can" open, so just query both keys and open 99 or 98 according to which one has the key you need, cause they're harder to deal with than the very first alarm zone you find in the second zone of the map||

[stable walrus]

Is the bullpup any good? It feels nice but I never see people use it (don’t have much experience to go of but still)

[midnight gazelle]

Yes

Most of the guns are pretty good in their own way

[civic wave]

The reload makes the gun pretty bad

But otherwise it's ok

[midnight gazelle]

Reload is long but it’s a skill issue if you can’t deal with it

[civic wave]

It's not about dealing with the reload, it's that the long reload gives the gun worse output then other guns

You can make any gun work, but that doesn't make weapons being bad a skill issue

[lone mortar]

I used the hel revolver

It was meh

I need practice

[dry pumice]

Good on paper - bad in practice. Veterans hate it and spit on it.

The good:

• laser precision when aiming down sights
• good precision bonus (weak point damage)
• decent effective range (damage fall off doesn't settle in quickly)

The bad:

• Low base damage, literally same as the vanilla SMG
• Reload disproportionately slow to what the gun is offering and as a result the gun just can't dish out the raw DPS on a stable basis, like uh... PDW, for example.

Until they buff mag size to like 55 or damage by life 20% - it just ain't worth it.

[stable walrus]

Hmmm
Noted

[lone mortar]

“Spit on it”

Damn thats harsh

[dry pumice]

If you want medium range auto - just settle for vanilla Assault Rifle instead. It's not exactly top tier either, but its still better in average.

[tardy ingot]

Ok on paper, bad in practice

[tardy ingot]

what a take xD

[buoyant drift]

I'm wondering if the Revolver in the special weapon is better for people who has better skills at shooting

[dry pumice]

Yes

If you can reliably slap headshots with that - it's probably amazing

That's 6 dead strikers or shooters per mag

[tardy ingot]

Revolver is a bit enemy dependent

but if you have good aim its a very good choice

[buoyant drift]

One shot the big one is possible ?

[tardy ingot]

one shot no

You can one mag into the back

[dry pumice]

Same shit as precision Rifle probably

Pop off head then switch to main

[tardy ingot]

dont shoot head as revo

on giant

just spam body, reload, spam body again

[dry pumice]

But muh extra damage

[buoyant drift]

Dual revolver seems dramatic but entertaining to play actually

[dry pumice]

I assume you're leaving it for someone else?

[tardy ingot]

you only shoot head if you need a quick stagger but dont wanna triple tap on the giant body

then again, it still sucks to hit head

[craggy pier]

gtfo question when r6??

(i have not completed any of r4 or 5)

[past star]

Lmao

[solemn flint]

complete them first

then ask when r6

u still have more gameplay to do

[craggy pier]

i did all of r4 but then i wiped and stopped playing

@valid lodge carry me babes xoxo

WAIT

wrong bread

@past star

[solemn flint]

and also wtf

i join a lobby

they talk for like 15 min

then just swap vc

[past star]

Cheating on me

:(

[craggy pier]

you ever just like join a lobby, hear a deep american accent and just like want to blow your head off? or just me

[buoyant drift]

Wait , so , hit the body first and shoot the head for quicker staggering ?

[past star]

Only want to die when I meet Australians

[craggy pier]

so based

australia sucks and isnt real

[tardy ingot]

just shoot body on giant strikers honestly

aiming for head lowers dps a bunch more

[solemn flint]

why is australia suck?

[craggy pier]

Guys if u knife a giant in the back of the head it one shots them trust me

[craggy pier]

Cos @native sun lives there

[buoyant drift]

Sniper's a exception , right ?

Seems like a stupid question

lol

[stable walrus]

this game is filled with native Australian wildlife

[craggy pier]

Sniper gets max damage by shooting legs

[stable walrus]

Along with your Sydney sleepers

[solemn flint]

its just some sydney sleepers

whats wrong with that

its not russian sleepers with their vodka

[tardy ingot]

Sniper wants head yes

aside from sniper the only other gun that wants to shoot giant striker head (if no sniper available) is precision rifle. But prec rifle sucks

[stable walrus]

piss

If you know you know

[solemn flint]

also, is it strange for people not use mic, i have done many run without mic and there are still no problem with it

[stable walrus]

As long as you do some form of communication it shouldn’t be a issue

Like voice commands

[solemn flint]

its really offended me when i join a lobby, waste 15 minute of my life just to then leave

[solemn flint]

i used that too

[stable walrus]

I mean it is preferred to play with people who have mics but it’s not a big issue as long as communication is still possible

[solemn flint]

its not like i was trolling or anything, and some people just make me offended alot

[craggy pier]

only use mic if your voice isnt annoying

[hidden ridge]

You reminded me of a run I had when my mic screeched ONCE and a guy refused to un-silence me for the whole fucking run

[solemn flint]

gtfo typical montage hmm

[solemn flint]

i have bad english so i'd prefer to not talk

also it really help me to stay focus

[buoyant drift]

Definitely still the best with friends
No language barriers
No one will blame for trolling

[lone mortar]

Soon

[winged turtle]

bullpup gets a stacking damage multiplier when you alternate body/head shots

[flat jolt]

hey guys, just bought the game and i was hoping i could ask a question about the rundowns, like the individual missions? whats the replayability value with all of them? does it cycle through set expeditions, or is the same set until a new set is released?

[icy cave]

there basically is none.

But with all the missions in the game right now you are looking at 200 to 500 hours before you've done everything

[flat jolt]

oh boy

[winged turtle]

each rundown used to work like a season, with 6-12 missions that were out at one time. Now we have all the rundown's except for R6 which comes out in a few weeks.

when you are a fresh download a starting level can take 30 minutes, When a team of vets can walk through it in about five minutes

[ocean spindle]

u could replay levels, usually the way its just to do it with a different group n stuff to like get other vibes but, not much else

[flat jolt]

ok thats awesome thanks guys! trying to convince my friends to get it too lol

[winged turtle]

with a group of people who are all learning together is the best way to play this game bar none.

LFG until you find people you vibe with is also great.

LFG until you clear every level with randos is near impossible (the hardest 5 levels or so being really fucking hard)

[rugged lodge]

is r5a3 nerfed? It seems easier than expected

[turbid horizon]

I mean it might be, it’s also just an easier level

Especially compared to B1 and A2

[rugged lodge]

just completed the a3 pe, our team actually got confused and wandering so long but still managed to finish with good amount of health and ammo lol

[lone mortar]

A tier POV:

[rugged lodge]

casual booster farming I guess 😋

[hearty aspen]

y'all prefer the low RPM MG (abry V) or high RPM (XII) one?

personally i like arby V more since it easier to control,basically sniping mg

[ocean spindle]

i prefer the veruta cause is more fun :3
thats all my reasonin
well n the scope is cool too
i sometimes pick arbalist if i need more precision tho yeh

[hearty aspen]

also the scope on XII is quite ...odd to ads for me tbh,most of the time i just hip-firing it

[ocean spindle]

i like the dot on it, for me is better to aims, recoil is bad but tbh not that bad :]

[hearty aspen]

it controlable,if anything still better than most fps gun lol ,though hip-firing do better most of the time for me

[stable walrus]

Finally managed to convince the 4th friend who were somewhat interested in buying

Dear lord playing a full lobby with close friends is hella fun

[hearty aspen]

i bet one of you have a thing about shooting his own teammate

[slender birch]

Hi everyone I have not bought the game, what's the end-game / general progression like?

[jagged shore]

only progression is your skill
and the difficulty of the levels are you go deeper into a rundown

[slender birch]

oo gotcha, so kinda like cosmetic only upgrades

[jagged shore]

no skill points or anything like that
just pure ability

[slender birch]

i see i see

[jagged shore]

yep, you get cosmetics at the end of every new level

[slender birch]

that makes sense

I like economy progression type stuff

[stable walrus]

A bot just shot me point blank with a shotgun

Foreshadowing?

[slender birch]

I would love economy progression, but I don't think this game is meant to be an extraction shooter lol

makes me think of a really hard deep rock galactic

[winter hazel]

is gtfo worth if i dont have friends to play with (aka play it solo)

[stable walrus]

It offers a lot even for solo

But I would strongly recommend using the discord (where you are) to get a lobby

[winter hazel]

ok

i mean i still havent bought it but it looks cool

[stable walrus]

Even if you don’t wanna use a mic you can still use voice commands while the rest probably has a mic

[fierce nebula]

^^^

you can use LFG without a mic, just make sure to not team kill purposely

[reef grove]

where do I paste the lobby ID?

[shrewd dirge]

if you have it copied, a red box shows up in game with the party leaders name, click it.

[outer dove]

Hi, I am currently stuck on R5E1. is there a loudout which is best for this level?

[fierce nebula]

burst cannon on everyone

[past mesa]

Reactor levels, gather and gen clusters tend to be really slow levels. Slow levels tend to be borning so people don’t join

If you make all the levels really fun people will come

[turbid horizon]

this is in fact true

[past mesa]

What part are you stuck on?

[brittle mural]

I wouldn't call R2D2 slow, more like tedious on a timer

[fierce nebula]

it is slow

[turbid horizon]

No bc it’s all objective

There are like 2 maps that are almost universally considered fun

Even then some people won’t like them

[dry pumice]

Subjective, you were trying to say?

[past mesa]

R2d1 r2d2 r1c1, r3a3, r7b2, r7d1 r4c2 r5b3 r5b1

Very bad levels proba more but I can’t remember them all

[turbid horizon]

Imo R7D2 is like the only map I can think of that I’ve never seen anybody dislike

[turbid horizon]

Clarify- R7D1 design is great

It’s just bugged to hell

R3A3?

[past mesa]

Some of these levels are fine just pe them in pubs is a pain in the ass

[past mesa]

All reactor levels are bad

[fierce nebula]

I hate all levels

[past mesa]

Based

[turbid horizon]

Oh as much as I hate to say it, R4B3 deserves to be in that list as well

[past mesa]

What one is that again?

Only reason it isn’t is cause it isn’t on the top of my mind

Fuck I know which one it is

[turbid horizon]

3 uplinks, 2 cryo cases, overload is 2 S1 scans

R7B1

If it was really cool, it wasn’t D1

[past mesa]

R7b1 was better before they nerfed it

Three times

Crazy as fuck

[turbid horizon]

It was fun when they buffed it that one time

Accidentally

The 50 flyer incident

[past mesa]

But if you want players to join your lobbies just make sure you play in the faster play style the walk forward and hit things make progress always type

[turbid horizon]

As long as they’re ok with it

Always check

[past mesa]

Sure

Ofc

Definitely don’t just do it and expect them to catch up

[turbid horizon]

Jish did you play B1 while it was bugged?

[past mesa]

Na

[turbid horizon]

Damn you missed o ur

Out

[past mesa]

what version is it

I will just go back

[turbid horizon]

I did it once and I heard the pops of them spawning and was like “why was that so loud”

Fucking 50 flyers swarmed us in the baby room

[turbid horizon]

i think it was the first ALT R1 patch

[civic wave]

it was kinda miserable when trying to help a sponsored streamer through the mission

[turbid horizon]

I remember they put like shadows in R7C2 as well

[civic wave]

had to leg it to pull scan and take it from there, after using a checkpoint once or twice

[past mesa]

Makes sense that was the patch they realized they couldn’t use the same numbers

[turbid horizon]

And when R7B2 just broke

[past mesa]

So it is the same patch that broke r7e1

Nice

[turbid horizon]

Mayyhbe?

No

That was more recent

[tardy ingot]

what. what
R2D2? R3A3, R7D1 :o ?
R5B1 secondary ye. RB53????

[past mesa]

R5 b3 secondary

Is a crime against this game

[turbid horizon]

Iirc pablo broke in R3

[tardy ingot]

current, yes

before. no

[turbid horizon]

What was old

[tardy ingot]

far quicker s scan

now you wait afk for 3 tanks

[turbid horizon]

bro what

How long is it now

[civic wave]

old was like, 1 tank, 10 hybrids and however many big chargers

[turbid horizon]

Is it a 5 minute one?

[tardy ingot]

its the one time where a "buff" makes the level just boring

i think like 3 ?

smth like that

[turbid horizon]

._.

what

why

That’s so boring

[tardy ingot]

and if you went down you got punished with another

[past mesa]

Long enough that I could go to the washroom in a single spot and come back and one tank would be there and it would be 35%

[tardy ingot]

now its 3, if you go down 4

but its just waiting

[turbid horizon]

Should I bring bioscan speed so I don’t get bored

[past mesa]

Yeah

[turbid horizon]

if it’s really just a meaningless buff

K

[past mesa]

If you can kill a tank

It isn’t a buff

[tardy ingot]

ye
the scans arent that interesting either so its not like you cheese anything major (like r6c1 for example)

[turbid horizon]

haha lmao

[tardy ingot]

i did it with pubs today

god it was snooze

[turbid horizon]

R6B1 cheese?

You mean C1?

[tardy ingot]

only fun part of the level was when one of them left and then rejoined while we were on an s scan

[tardy ingot]

i litteraly typed c1

lol

bioscan speed in that lvl makes it boring and bad

[turbid horizon]

Oh cool

I’m blind

[tardy ingot]

bioscan speed in r5b3 makes it more fun now

[past mesa]

The fog isn’t even fun to fog dive in

[turbid horizon]

Yeah

It’s not good fog

[tardy ingot]

go quick or go home honestly

[past mesa]

Na it is to dark

You can see shit

You might as well have no screen

[arctic marten]

guys what if there was a level where the players split up

[turbid horizon]

mmmyes that’d be fun

too bad we don’t have any of those

[tardy ingot]

just play one of the levels where the strat to split is there

[arctic marten]

all of them because bad optimization

[turbid horizon]

(Not counting D3 because I’m still shellshocked from the Fireblade clear)

[arctic marten]

as with most games, i think that fog and shadows are the most resource intensive

[turbid horizon]

which shadows

game shadows or fucker shadows?

[arctic marten]

shadows created by lighting

[turbid horizon]

k cool game shadows

[arctic marten]

I can't remember if its best to have shadows all the way up or all the way down, but one of those allows you to see the enemy shadows a bit more easily

other than that, I don't think any other settings really help in that regard

[tardy ingot]

hm?

[turbid horizon]

When I was a new player, I watched Fireblades clear of D3 because I wanted to see how they handled the tank barracks

And they fucking sprinted in, woke it up, and killed everything for both errors

[tardy ingot]

ah, shooting it cuz bored and they know its doable

[turbid horizon]

I was new and just confused as fuck

Brain was going “isn’t this a stealth game?”

[civic wave]

I think people normally say Shadow Resolution on max everything else you can turn down

but eh I don't keep up with that shit

[unique granite]

how do i make a voice channel down in the active now tab?

[civic wave]

you don't make voice channels yourself, you use any of the available ones

You probably need to give yourself access via the Channels & Roles section at the top of the server sidebar @unique granite

[sterile citrus]

@turbid horizon Ya I watched Fireblade stream a mission last night and as a new player is was also like Wtf?!

[turbid horizon]

yeah it’s hilarious

[sterile citrus]

I wanna know how he rips the Techman 7's 1st like 10-15 bullets with no recoil.

He was shooting that thing like a laser

[turbid horizon]

He’s just really good with recoil, I think he used to play Apex a lot

[sterile pine]

need help or advice clearing R1a1, tried to do it 6 times with friends but we cant beat it

[sterile citrus]

Are the recoil patterns like CS GO and set or like Valorant and random?

[neon gust]

random

[turbid horizon]

Really?

Aren’t some set?

[neon gust]

hip fire its random

[turbid horizon]

Feels like burst cannon is set

Ahhhh ok

[neon gust]

yeah because it have no spread...

[sterile citrus]

Ahh ya that makes sense on why Fire just charge and rip ten bullets then reset and re ADS again.

[neon gust]

shotguns dont have tighether spread when ads

[sterile citrus]

Good to know also. I rarely use them not a huge fan The sawed off feels decent but I am a Techman addict for 2ndary

[neon gust]

techman what\

[sterile citrus]

7

[neon gust]

my man english

played this game for 2000+ hours i dont fucking speak gun manufacturers

arbalist? veruta?

combat shotgun

[sterile citrus]

Veruta

[neon gust]

thats a leanguage i understand!

best special

legit on of the best

have so many thing going on for it

[sterile citrus]

Ya after testing so many thats how I felt also

[neon gust]

eh you might wanna test shotguns a little bit more

theyre super versatile

pump shotgun specially

[sterile citrus]

Our group usually has 2 people using them.

1 pump 1 combat.

[arctic marten]

theres only techman 5 and 12

[sterile citrus]

Ya I unno why I called it 7

I just reread the Roman Numerals and was like oops

I thought it was VII lol not XII

[arctic marten]

ok so veruta

[neon gust]

yeah thats why we use the normal weapon names

manufacturer thing its cringe

aside from machineguns obviously

[arctic marten]

why don't you grab a GEAR_Pistol_Auto_Staggering_HEL

[neon gust]

shut your STRIKER_BOSS ass up

ID 21 looking ass

shadow without the shaders looking ass

[sterile citrus]

Also for main I am really loving the Machine Pistol . Is it good or am I just crazy?

[turbid horizon]

Me when ID 39

;-;

[neon gust]

its decent

its basically one of the easies primaries tbh

much bullet much spam

[dry pumice]

provided you can hit anything with it

its basically shotgun with extra steps

And ADS does jackshit

[neon gust]

its fun

[sterile citrus]

Ya , true . Fucking so much ammo. It super easy to aim jsut corutch and hipfire tap

[neon gust]

just hip fire away

[sterile citrus]

Yup

I never ADS it lol

[neon gust]

yeah

[turbid horizon]

Did sawed off used to have a reload cancel btw?

Or has it always been like it is now

Feels like it was fucked with

[sterile citrus]

Wait sawed off has a cancel reload?

[tardy ingot]

never had one afaik

[turbid horizon]

Ah ok

[neon gust]

nope

[sterile citrus]

Ok was bout to say that'd make it way bwetter

[turbid horizon]

Felt different to me than I remember, ig the last time I used it was R6 tho

[sterile citrus]

Man I really kinda wish it did.

[turbid horizon]

As much as I disagree with reload cancel, it’s the kind of thing where I wish it was none or all

[sterile citrus]

True.

[neon gust]

i mean reloading a gun its a means of balance

[turbid horizon]

Yeah

[neon gust]

sadly 10cc its stupid and never sticked to it

[turbid horizon]

Do 10c even know ab reload canceling?

[neon gust]

why give hel revo a 2.3 reload if you can skip it like 0.4 seconds afterwards

[sterile citrus]

Can we get a heavy smg buff? That thing feels fucking worthless.

[neon gust]

i already told them

[turbid horizon]

It should be on special imo

[neon gust]

let move that shit to special

!

[turbid horizon]

it’s pointless to have it on main

Well no

[neon gust]

it is

[turbid horizon]

SMG becomes pointless

[arctic marten]

remove heavy smg lol

[turbid horizon]

Just put it on special and buff SMG for the love of god

I beg

[sterile citrus]

For real. That's be awesome if they did that

[turbid horizon]

that and pistol

[neon gust]

we've been crying for a regular smg buff

and they're like pretending to be blind

[turbid horizon]

i like them

[neon gust]

for like 2 years already

[sterile citrus]

Ya cause doesnt the PDW just outshine the SMG in like every way

[neon gust]

fuck is wrong with them

[neon gust]

carabine outshines all

[arctic marten]

what about the 0.1s reload speed buff

[turbid horizon]

Same with AR, also gets outdone by PDW

ar has like range and that’s it

[sterile citrus]

Ah ya the carbine is busted. I try to not use it, Feels like a crutch

[turbid horizon]

And also not a thermal scope

like half of the main weapons need some love ngl

[sterile citrus]

Im no pro but from what Ive tested I agree as well. The HEL Pistol and a few are just garbage.

[turbid horizon]

Pistol, bullpup, smg, AR, Sawed off, Hel Piss

Like man

I have a weird thought

[sterile citrus]

Yup ya all those . I agree lol. They all feel like shit.

[turbid horizon]

I’m about to get yelled at

What if hel piss had more pen

[arctic marten]

it would still be bad

[sterile citrus]

Id have no idea not skilled enough to know about that.

[turbid horizon]

I was thinking maybe 3 or 4, idk

I know balancing hel weapons is always an issuee

But it’s a stagger weapon

And they’re just not good unless they’re GOOD

Auto sentry is bleh

And og autopistol, idk

[sterile citrus]

Ya Auto Sentry is just a tool kit waste

That thing shoots like it has 0 IQ

[turbid horizon]

I mean it can be good

[dry pumice]

give autosentry pen - insta worth

[turbid horizon]

just is super situational

[turbid horizon]

Eh

not really

[arctic marten]

no

[dry pumice]

so far my favorite thing is to combine it with burst sentry in the same spot so that one hold the target and the other kills it