the one thing about GTFO's small enemy type pool thats good is that you can practice pretty easily
#gtfo-related-questions
torn pond
sturdy glen
I already play hammer like I play mordhau, just cant multi hit
torn pond
or like OW rein hammer
craggy pier
another question: why wasn't prisoners' ability to noclip never explained in the lore, and why haven't they used it to noclip to the surface and escape garganta? are they stupid?
cold quarry
they like it in there
idk wtf y'all are talking about 'prisoners' I paid to be here so I could kill stuff
cold quarry
too slow
craggy pier
stole my line
they say you snoze and you lose, and my brother in expedition, you snost and you lost
torn pond
As a knife player I'd love this but goddamn if it wouldn't get rid of one of the 3 downsides of the knife
cold quarry
as a knife player I think knife should oneshot pablo
and if you do it, you get a steam achievement that says "Why'd you try that?"
torn pond
Chargers be quakin in their boots
Just knife kill the enemy in R3D1
the greatest trophy in gtfo
craggy pier
and if you do it, you get a steam achievement that says "Why'd you try that?"
gtfo
steam achievement
pick one
tardy ingot
speedrun achievements 
i loved those for hollow knight
torn pond
why have achievements when you have 5 unique trading cards
jagged shore
surely one day we'll get steam achievements
sturdy glen
the hk ones shouldve been harder
jagged shore
surely
cold quarry
i feel like achieves are an easy thing to do too aren't they?
torn pond
speedrun achievements <:musicmommyPray:1020778301880549407> i loved those for ho...
another chad HK enjoyer
jagged shore
yeah but they're fun
tardy ingot
Hollow Knight 2nd favourite game
jagged shore
and having like 2 people working on game at this point
cold quarry
plus you could have outlandish ones like "knife kill a tank" or osme shit
sturdy glen
if they do add achievements theyll probably have to be super generic shit that you get in the first 20 hours
torn pond
Hollow Knight 2nd favourite game
ooh what trumps it
jagged shore
definitely not gtfo that's for sure
how could you like this dumpsterfire
tardy ingot
if they do add achievements theyll probably have to be super generic shit that y...
easy stuff is clearing Tier related Stuff
finishing the rundowns
(hopefully PE)
maybe a speedrun achievement
do the tutorial without shooting or some shit like that
Bloodborne
gtfo is currently 7th
will probably drop to 8th when i rank zelda totk
jagged shore
how do you even figure out your top 7
torn pond
bloodborne is a repectable choice
jagged shore
i can't even figure out my favorite
tardy ingot
and maybe 9th if silksong (not when, if)
cold quarry
is this 'of all time' or currently playing
tardy ingot
how do you even figure out your top 7
i got it ranked from 1 to 109th lol
jagged shore
how tf
latent obsidian
are you just doing it by playtime?
tardy ingot
no personal enjoyment (including other stuff)
latent obsidian
damn thats impressive to rank so much then
sturdy glen
idk if I could rate shit cuz id have to rate mp games which can be fun just cuz its mp and not as much cuz of the game
torn pond
and having like 2 people working on game at this point
and theyre both trying to record Shaffers lines for R8
Shaffer and Henrikson's lines are just the 2 devs arguing
tardy ingot
im considering a ton for the whole list
it gets a bit rough in the low B to C rank
since thats games that i neither rly like nor hate
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@cold quarry
#gtfo-media message
Why did you have no crosshair here
tardy ingot
it does shift tho from time to time (not massive shifts usually)
cold quarry
<@205813839738961946>
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/585063132...
i play with no crosshair/hitmarkers
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i play with no crosshair/hitmarkers
bro thinks he's a cod hardcore playlist
cold quarry
I hate crosshairs
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I hate crosshairs
racism
cold quarry
esp GTFO's big ass CIRCLE dead center of your screen no thank you
craggy pier
esp GTFO's big ass CIRCLE dead center of your screen no thank you
that's a BAD crosshair?
sturdy glen
yes
cold quarry
they all are
craggy pier
i only play with shotguns
cold quarry
I go into my minecraft texture pack's files and photoshop out the + symbol that they use as a crosshair
craggy pier
so idk
torn pond
I hate crosshairs
monitor crosshair superiority
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GTFO's crosshair only has one valuable component: When you get in melee range, your circle contracts, which helps you learn melee range quickly
cold quarry
ive played enough tarkov to just eyeball it in games now
craggy pier
monitor crosshair superiority
marker on monitor superiority
cold quarry
and GTFO makes a noise when you're full charged which helps
torn pond
i dont play that game anymore since it sucks
now thats a hill i die defending i love tf2
craggy pier
and i fucking hate it
700 hours that could be put into literally everything
like gtfo
torn pond
a tragic take
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700 hours that could be put into literally everything
Did you have fun playing those 700 hours
craggy pier
on a particular thursday
someone asked him when did he last take a shower
recently
when
on sunday
minor fractal
A true gamer.
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>on sunday
Jesus fucking christ
cold quarry
oh no
craggy pier
I shower 2-3 times a day
i shower once a day on mornings
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That person has the same problem as I do
But at least I don't smell like the asscrack of a gamer
craggy pier
and shotguns sucked ass
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You consented to do that to yourself?? Why??
craggy pier
cuz it was the only game my pc could run
and then i discovered
the magic
of
payday 2
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Minecraft?
craggy pier
the blessing
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Literally any game prior to 2010?
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40 fps
Perfectly playable
I got 20fps in my early minecraft days and I LIKED it
I walked uphills both ways to get from my bed to my computer
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The system could not run open GL 2.1, so I could only play in browser
When they retired the browser variant, I had to wait for Optifine to install a translation layer to be able to play again
And when they finally did, I was only able to play on tiny render distance
craggy pier
and the magic of waiting a whole day for one download
after the 6 hour download
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at 20fps
torn pond
oh boy I miss the days of intel naming their chips random words
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at least it wasn't 700 hours of not fun
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oh boy I miss the days of intel naming their chips random words
Celeron sounds like a fucking salad
craggy pier
celeron sounds like a pizza
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celeron sounds like a pizza
To be fair, It ran like someone who only ate pizza
craggy pier
with lots of different salads on it
torn pond
looking at intel CPU's was liking walking into a multi-cultural potluck,
I dont know what these words are but it looks good
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I miss when Apple named their OS' after cats
That was way cooler than the locations they do now
torn pond
and android was named after candy
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and android was named after candy
Wasn't it deserts, specifically?
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God I'm at 220 hours and still haven't beat R2/R4/R7
torn pond
Im just shy of 100 ( like mid 90's) and I still need R2E1, the second half of R7 and to keep doing R4
I'm doing R4 blind so its taking some time
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I'm doing R4 blind too /w only bots
Only non-blind stuff I did was looking at the R4D1 map
'cuz fuck reactor missions tbh honestly tbh fam
torn pond
'cuz fuck reactor missions tbh honestly tbh fam
i feel it
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I don't think I'm doing to be able to do E1 with bots though
That one has a tank error alarm I think(?)
torn pond
I still cant do R2E1 with humans dawg
torn pond
That one has a tank error alarm I think(?)
not surprising
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Can't confirm, that might be another rundown
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I don't like error alarms
If I want to take a piss / water break
I want to be able to
torn pond
the error in R4A2 caught me by surprise and is the only reason I failed it once
This rundown has an error in half the levels
tardy ingot
the error spawns somewhat quickly (15 sec intervals) but its not that bad rly
also god im finally free of R4A2
torn pond
I was just cruising and I opened the door without reading (Mistake)
were you speedrunning it?
tardy ingot
main speed -> soloPE -> PE speed
icy nacelle
When we did it for the first time one of my mates was practically sabotaging the run because he just yeeted the cell in the completely wrong generator, walking into a room firing as I'm going up to bonk the Scout and picking up ammo and then not giving it to anyone.
torn pond
oh god
icy nacelle
I genuinely do not know how we still pulled it off.
Was an absolute blast, would do it again. 
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When we did it for the first time one of my mates was practically sabotaging the...
Jesus christ I would be v upset
icy nacelle
I was just laughing my ass off at how he could fuck up on so many levels.
Errors make him panic.
torn pond
Errors make every new player panic
tardy ingot
theres a potential chance to soft lock r4a2pe
tardy ingot
but ya gotta nearly intentionally troll
tardy ingot
He's not new.
100 hours. Above or below?
icy nacelle
Uh..
torn pond
When I did R6C1 for the first time when I bought the game I was twitching from anxiety
icy nacelle
I dunno exact hours,
but he started with me way back in R1.
To give you an diea.
idea*
tardy ingot
OG R1?
icy nacelle
Mhm.
tardy ingot
tho tbh i know people who started then and are at 200 hours tops
icy nacelle
Granted we hardly played much back then.
It was only the two of us so we'd usually manage the A-tiers and maybe a B-tier or two each rundown and that was it, up until we got our third in R4.
We didn't start actually progressing though truly until R6, since y'know, they made it easier.
R6 Finally meant those two could start learning things because in previous rundowns we'd attempt a level once, fail, and then they wouldn't want to play it again.
torn pond
I can't wait for Alt://R6 to come out so I can take me revenge on that stupid door in C1
tardy ingot
We didn't start actually *progressing* though truly until R6, since y'know, they...
This is heavily overstated
R6 is at worst tied with R2 for 3rd easiest (4th hardest)
icy nacelle
This is heavily overstated
R6 is at worst tied with R2 for 3rd easiest (4th har...
What I meant was more.
tardy ingot
R6 Finally meant those two could start learning things because in previous rundo...
Oof
torn pond
R6 Finally meant those two could start learning things because in previous rundo...
Thats how I was with my friends
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Errors make every new player panic
I have 200+ hours and errors make me panic 'cuz what if I have to take a gigantic gamer shit
icy nacelle
but they opened the door for my mates because now they didn't have that fear of redoing the entire level.
tardy ingot
i legit dont get how people are so adverse to playing a level and dying to try again sometimes
icy nacelle
So now on fails, we'd just retry from a checkpoint.
This finally allowed them to get that time in to learn stuff, even if they fail at a lot of basic stuff even now.
But without it they wouldn't just stuck with the dumb idea of failing once and not wanting to play it anymore, and now we can replay things like R2D2 20 Fucking times and still hop on to give it a go the next week.
tardy ingot
i do wonder
if the game would show you completion% for each level as a player
or even total for all levels/tries combined
for a player
what would you think your % is
torn pond
if the game would show you completion% for each level as a player
I wish they did that, I mean you can kinda with the heat percentage but that system is cheeks
icy nacelle
Honestly for us it'd be fairly high if we exclude the OGs. We first try most A-D Tier levels, which does lead to an exaggerated amount of confidence in their abilities sometimes.
tardy ingot
and also doesnt care about clear vs fail
icy nacelle
IIRC R2D2, R2E1 And R7E1 Are the only levels we've hit a wall on.
tardy ingot
i think id be around either 10-20% or <1%
icy nacelle
R7E1 Is the only level I'm treating as straight up impossible for our team.
torn pond
IIRC R2D2, R2E1 And R7E1 Are the only levels we've hit a wall on.
you dont like babysitting your friendly neighborhood tank?
icy nacelle
Apparently I'm the only one who can actually manage to do that without dying,
minor fractal
i think id be around either 10-20% or <1%
I feel like clear-rate would be pretty high for most vets?
icy nacelle
but I'm also the best player in the group so uh.. having me on babysitting is not great.
tardy ingot
learn the cheese spot. Teach em that
minor fractal
Wouldn't be surprised if I were over 50% for most levels.
tardy ingot
I feel like clear-rate would be pretty high for most vets?
<- not a vet 
but yeah, id estimate an overall 50+% rate for vets
very high rate for anything below D (or C-PE) and then some fails on those higher
topaz anvil
<- not a vet <:noooo:1049028797212668006>
Not a vet but based nonetheless
torn pond
the speedrunners already demolished the clear rate for the tutorial didnt they lol
wasnt it like 40% or something
tardy ingot
the speedrunners already demolished the clear rate for the tutorial didnt they l...
yes :^ )
Biggest achievement of the speed community, no cap
46,47%
tardy ingot
Not a vet but based nonetheless
Btw total average sucess rate was 13,79% when that dropped
@minor fractal
minor fractal
13,79% what?
tardy ingot
total clear rate
minor fractal
Oh, on R7?
minor fractal
What do we call vets these days
You've beaten some amount of content and have been playing since that content has been sunsetted in some sense.
The line rn would probably be people that have beaten at least all of R6 and everything that's released since then.
soft crater
topaz anvil
Damn i guess I'm a vet
minor fractal
I might budge on R7 joins, but tbqh I don't know anyone particularly respectable from that generation of players.
soft crater
minor fractal
W8, Beth might count actually.
topaz anvil
Who's beth
minor fractal
Gerz.
soft crater
waxen jetty
gerz is r5 player
minor fractal
Nvm then, maybe.
soft crater
gerz is r5 player
The rundown i didn't touch at all
Rip
Well I'm positive I played at least A1. But never went further
topaz anvil
R5C1... The memories
civic wave
if you grind hard enough it shouldn't matter when you joined
don't think there's much point comparing when people started
minor fractal
Probably better to factor in when you're acing content.
There's probably a lot of people who have 100%ed R7
That I wouldn't think of as vets.
Because they're barely scraping by.
topaz anvil
General game knowledge as well
Adapting to losing situations (if you ever find yourself out of ammo)
Buying a high end computer :-:
civic wave
Probably better to factor in when you're acing content.
yeah, when you start pushing yourself
that's when you start massively improving
topaz anvil
Real vet requirement should be beating redemption mod (this is a cry for teammates)
civic wave
eh, just make them duo the original r4e1 I think (saying because that's the only GTFO i'm currently playing)
topaz anvil
eh, just make them duo the original r4e1 I think (saying because that's the only...
Damn ur cheating by using old files?
civic wave
yeah I use old files so I can infinite sprint, occi hammer, burst cancel, and 5 pen hel revo in pubs
topaz anvil
Gonna have to report you to the Warden now
I had such high thoughts of you. To be betrayed like this. Twitter will hear about it
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Is it really cheating if it's PvE and everyone consents to it
cold quarry
yes
topaz anvil
Average knife user question
cold quarry
watch that tone bud or we'll stab you for a minor amount of damage
latent obsidian
wow do you drink lots of tea Quad?
topaz anvil
You know exactly what i drink
That's slander
I drink tea made from sparkling water
winged turtle
thats gross,
regular tea is pretty okay though
cold quarry
I drink tea made from sparkling water
that sounds actually horrific
ocean spindle
hey if everyone says muted booster for dmr works super well
ouldnt that b the case with burst cannon and special dmg booster
cold quarry
yes
the real chad play is +13 main damage on hel revolver making it absolutely ridiculous
#gtfo-media message if anyone's gotten these randomly and can answer this
turbid horizon
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/585063132553281556/1116512952414...
Afaik no, they weren’t released
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the real chad play is +13 main damage on hel revolver making it absolutely ridic...
Why does it make it rediculous?
1 shot strikers to the head?
cold quarry
yup
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What about chargers?
cold quarry
doubt it makes a difference there
but oneshot headshotting all trash enemies is absolutely insane
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I'm working on R4D2 which is pretty fun, but it's chargers galore
Might have to take HEL rifle again
cold quarry
if you stacked up even MORE you could get the hel revo to 3-shot them but I would just take something else imo
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I took the high cal pistol which was pretty good tho
They don't line up as much as R4D1
So I think the HEL revolver isn't the right way to go
cold quarry
on my teams run I took the PDW and the Arbalist
my teammates had choke shotties and pdws as well
and then hackett the bot had whatever
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yeah well, I'm playing solo /w bots
ocean spindle
isnt high cal bad with chargers
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isnt high cal bad with chargers
It 1 shots 'em, doesn't it?
cold quarry
i'd do arbalist or some variety of shotgun that isn't combat
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Weird, I swear it was in my run
ocean spindle
maybe the bots finished em off
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I guess bots were just damaging 'em enough
cold quarry
1 high cal + a quick tap or two from your primary will, but it's a lot easier to just take something else specifically for chargers
or stack up special damage to give it 30 damage
ocean spindle
yeah shotguns work pretty well for that, hel gun two shots, rifle oneshots
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I was doing fine tho which was interesting, I got to the VII alarm in zone 98
cold quarry
the arbalist mulches the shit out of chargers, not the worst idea
also are you doing PE?
cold quarry
because overload and main's scans overlap so you can sometimes unlock BOTH and make the level way easier
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Does 
or 
have error alarms on R4D2?
cold quarry
overload yes but not forced (you have to start it)
i beat the level PE with bots with that
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How do you mean you have to start it?
cold quarry
unlocked OVL and main, cleared all the way to extract, did secondary, grabbed overload's cargo (Starting the error) and just walked home
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Ah
So in , the error doesn't start until cargo has been picked up, which you don't need to pick up anyway until you're done
You can unlock main /w only the bulkhead key
and then come back for cargo later?
cold quarry
yeah
cold quarry
the normal strat for PE is unlock overload, get bulkhead key, do secondary, push main, come back for cargo with turbine (at least for my team) but if you unlock both it speeds things up massively
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/w bots it won't speed it up if you double scan, right?
You still gotta clear it out "solo"
cold quarry
i'd turn them off and do it yourself
because those bozo's wont let you do the double scan
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Yeah, for sure
cold quarry
it still reduces run time so much
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But what advantage does double scanning give?
cold quarry
okay so like
cold quarry
normally, you'd have to do secondary and get all the way to exfil, and go back for cargo and haul it back through fog
if you unlock OVL and main in one, you can get the path to exfil clear, come back once, activate secondary and carry cargo all the way out
it saves some time but more importantly it's miles easier
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But you gotta reset if you can't double scan, right?
cold quarry
if you really want the double scan yeah
otherwise I mean nothing stopping you from playing it normally
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I have big skill issue, so, I need all the help I can get
jagged shore
can someone make a comprehensive list of optional objective orders for levels that it's ambiguous
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can someone make a comprehensive list of optional objective orders for levels th...
What optional objectives are ambiguous?
(Maybe I'm misunderstanding)
cold quarry
cuernos comes to mind
civic wave
Get bulkhead key -> Put it into door controls -> clear overload -> get another bulkhead key -> complete extreme -> clear main -> go back to overload for cargo -> extract
cold quarry
they give you overload first, but if you do it, you get fucked
civic wave
for r4d2
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Get bulkhead key -> Put it into door controls -> clear overload -> get another b...
By extreme, do you mean secondary?
cold quarry
yeah
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ok
civic wave
I hate it I hate it I hate it
it used to be High/Extreme/Overload
now it's Main/Secondary/Overload
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Yeah i preferred that
civic wave
and I can't keep it consistent
cold quarry
secondary objective makes way more sense than "Threat level extreme" on a random bulkhead in the facility
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I want a level that's main, secondary, high, extreme, and overload
cold quarry
imagine santonian industries workers walking through that like bulkhead on their lunch break like "What the fuck do you mean?"
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And when you beat it /w PE you get a vest piece that says "I beat the hardest GTFO level and all I got was this lousy shirt"
jagged shore
What optional objectives are ambiguous?
idk, like i said earlier i haven't actually played any r4 levels, but i feel like i've seen many messages asking what order to do the optionals in for many r4 levels
cold quarry
i feel like the only misleadng one is c3 'ceurnos'
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I haven't even beat that one
I hate fog (skill issue)
I just don't like the levels where you have to do secondary in order to do overload
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Which is even worse
cold quarry
I like that one
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'cuz like.. fuck error alarms
cold quarry
the error alarm on that level is kind of a meme though
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I want to be able to go grab a drink if I want
cold quarry
I literally got up to go get my pizza out of the oven and the 3 bots kept me alive without a hit
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I remember that ??? level in one of the rundowns that has a perma error alarm right from the get go
I hit start
And then walked away to go make myself a drink
past mesa
R2c2
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Came back and my roommate was like "bro did you walk away in the middle of an alarm???"
past mesa
Lol
torn pond
after finishing a C3 PE attempt, and dying on the main with error, its not that bad, its just a lot of chargers. we were basically done, its just a very long level, we were just shy of 2 hours when we failed
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I had to reset
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I'm working on R4D2 which is pretty fun, but it's chargers galore
Ok so I think for R4D2, I should take Choke Mod Shotgun for the chargers?
(solo /w bots)
torn pond
HEL rifle is really nice, there are a couple funnel sections in C3PE that is exclusively chargers and HEL rifle makes super quick work
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HEL Rifle is worse capacity than choke mod, though, right?
I suppose it has overpen..
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Oh, capacity you mean mag size and not reserve ammo cap?
torn pond
its a small reserve size too
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HEL Gun and HEL Rifle probably better.
These are both secondaries, right?
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What main if not choke mod?
wait choke mod is secondary I'm dumb asf
I'm thinking either HEL Revolver or PDW for R4D2
cold quarry
i'd do PDW
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But for secondary, choke mod, HEL Gun, or HEL Rifle?
cold quarry
thermal will help, and even without that it's a great gun
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I think I used the PDW back when I had sub 30 hours
And was like "wow this sucks" and never used it again
native sun
@next socket Something else that will probably help out even more than your loadout is your bot's loadout, which weapons are they running?
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<@98267703143313408> Something else that will probably help out even more than y...
I give them all the same guns
erm
I'd have to check
AR + VMG
native sun
Yeah perfect
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Tbh bots suck at utilizing weapons meant for particular enemies or circumstances
So I just give 'em guns that have high efficiency
It's been working out so far
I don't struggle with combat usually, I struggle with situational strategy like reactors, error alarms, grab the thing during error alarms
error alarms are easy on higher levels 'cuz you can just knife the buggers but in lower levels when the errors are spawning snatchers and shit
It's like haha ok not with bots
native sun
Yeah R4D2, if you're planning on going turbine-less, would be quite hard with bots, mainly due to the time-sensitive looting
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I think /w bots you have to do the chese strategy /w double scanning
And walking back during error alarm with cargo through fog
In R4D2, does putting the two cells into the generator cluster do anything other than the wave of enemies?
cold quarry
the fog is coming the fog is coming the fog is coming the fog is comingthe fog is coming the fog is comingthe fog is coming the fog is comingthe fog is coming the fog is comingthe fog is coming the fog is comingthe fog is coming the fog is coming
cold quarry
yes'
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Ok, that's what I thought
cold quarry
literally r4d2 PE summed up
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I think the slow fog rising is a pretty cool mechanic
They do that in an R7 level, too, right?
During scans?
That should be more common tbh
civic wave
They do that in an R7 level, too, right?
there's some rising fog in r7c2 yeah
my favourite fog though is hanging fog
levels with hanging fog are often cool
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I like the levels where you slowly power up the generator cluster which lowers fog levels too
Except for that one where the last one you have to go down a ladder to a blood door
'Cuz I placed a trip mine at the bottom, ranj up the ladder
and ALL THE BOTS STAYED AT THE BOTTOM and sewer slided
neon gust
why not play with people
the more you play on lfg the more likely you'are to find a permanent group!
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why not play with people
Because it's too easy with humans
ocean spindle
play with people throwin ur run
neon gust
then play solo
ocean spindle
constantly shootin u
civic wave
damn you got skill gapped by r3a2?
ocean spindle
wakin up enemies
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then play solo
...That's what I'm doing
neon gust
no
ocean spindle
no bots
neon gust
solo
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The problem with solo solo is that you gotta cheese a lot of the levels
And that's just... not fun
ocean spindle
is not cheese is more like exploits
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bruh that's literally what cheese is 😐
ocean spindle
i dont think so
maybe i did wrong wordin
civic wave
Oh so when GTFO players play with bots, it's not solo, but when I'm dating a chatbot I'm apparently single and it's not a real relationship???? what the hell
ocean spindle
but one is buggin the game other is usin ingame mechanics for ur advantage
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I'm not ok with kiting giants around half the fucking level for 45 minutes
ocean spindle
and not skill issue-er
neon gust
you dont need to do boostless
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The cheese I'm willing to do is about whether it's fun for me or not
And whether the cheese breaks the challenge of a level
civic wave
Let me tell you, door bugging is not fun and absolutely breaks the challenge of the level
you know, any form of enemy capping does tbh
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Enemy capping + giant kiting is zZzZ
Like I'm not trying to downplay the achievement of people doing it
It just.. looks so.. boring
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But double scanning to prevent me from having to deal /w running through a bunch of infectious fog because bots don't hold stuff during combat?
That just makes the level not an absolute frustration fest
2 people + 2 bots would make that doable without the cheese
neon gust
bots are filler
everything its beatable with 2 player 2 bots
you play with "solo with 3 bots" and you kinda just playing with fire
well r7e1 its kinda debatle since inmortal its funny
neon gust
what about r3a2
ocean spindle
but i could swear that bug is not a problem there
u dont have to tell a bot to grab somethin durin combat
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you play with "solo with 3 bots" and you kinda just playing with fire
yeah, I understand that
I'm not trying to say the game isn't intended to be played /w 3 bots
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u dont have to tell a bot to grab somethin durin combat
That is a problem during R4D2
And uhh
R7C3
neon gust
but i could swear that bug is not a problem there
Bot will automatically drop everything during combat
ocean spindle
ah r4 idk r4
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OIr maybe R7B3
civic wave
everything is beatable with just 2 players as far as I can remember
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everything is beatable with just 2 players as far as I can remember
Yes, it is
ocean spindle
... c3... idk about that one either but i dont remember it being
b3 only if u do PE
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but it's honestly too easy if you have even just 2 humans that know what they're doing
civic wave
r4d2 there is absolutely nothing you should be grabbing other than cargo, which you can just carry yourself
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I play 3 bots for the challenge, I know it's fucky wucky
neon gust
its about the game state if your on combat state they will drop it
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r4d2 there is absolutely nothing you should be grabbing other than cargo, which ...
The fog repeller, right?
neon gust
if its stealth then they'll go back and pick up where they left the item
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if its stealth then they'll go back and pick up where they left the item
Which is fine, but during error alarms they will not ever pick up items
civic wave
the fog turbine? if you want to waste time going through a side zone and doing a surge alarm to clear another zone, yeah go for it
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Which is a huge problem
ocean spindle
i need to test it again cause i swear bots when told to carry somethin before combat they do not drop it and there its not a problem
civic wave
probably best to ignore that path though, and beeline to extraction
ocean spindle
mh
neon gust
Which is fine, but during error alarms they will not ever pick up items
i know, its about game states
like i explained early
loud they drop, stealth they can pick it up
error = its loud all the time
dont know why would they make it this game been honest since i would rather have the bot carry objective and have me protecting them than having the bot protect me
only time i coul do that was if you install the better bots mod
civic wave
hm, could bots make r5e1 cell skip a little easier
ocean spindle
well either way i think most levels isnt a problem cause there arent two objects that need to b picked up at the same time in combat, and with one ur the one carryin usually cause with bots its easier to do that
neon gust
hm, could bots make r5e1 cell skip a little easier
big skips
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well either way i think most levels isnt a problem cause there arent two objects...
Yeah, there aren't a lot
There is one in R7C2 or 3
it's doable with bots but you take a lot of infection
civic wave
actually no for cell skip you normally pull rooms
ocean spindle
124 queue aaaa pain why do i wanna test this
neon gust
actually no for cell skip you normally pull rooms
you can have bot sentry
pleave it there
stealth past that
then you can just tell him to pick the sentry
civic wave
lmao that sounds great, hybrids might be a bit funny though
neon gust
i just want upgrade to bots already
civic wave
you'll end up shooting the second zone anyway in all likelihood
ocean spindle
mod ahre
neon gust
arre
neon gust
better bots mod 🙏
ocean spindle
i never mod im not a loser i just play with raw 3 bots
past mesa
error = its loud all the time
depending onm the error
ocean spindle
skills issues
civic wave
I want a mod that puts all the sleepers on skateboards or rollerskates and changes their movement animations
past mesa
if it is the r7d1 overload it wors every ttime
noble sierra
R7D1 is not error, it's 19 timed events
ocean spindle
ok im gonna drop into r2b2 tell the bot to carry a cell wake up 7 rooms and see if they hold it
im havin the bio bot and a normal bot carry a cell
test further
cause the bio is guaranteed to drop the cell
since they ping
neon gust
they should pick it up afterwards
past mesa
R7D1 is not error, it's 19 timed events
yeah
but it is simalr enough to an error\
that calling it one makes sense
ocean spindle
i wanna see if they carry it with me if im movin
civic wave
basically an hour and a half of having snatchers being sent to you, fuckin hell
noble sierra
You can't deactivate_alarms for R7D1 overload, though
civic wave
I would offer to test it on your behalf but I'm staying clean of current version
torn pond
basically an hour and a half of having snatchers being sent to you, fuckin hell
its an hour and a half of resource stealers, FIFY
ocean spindle
i only saw a cell bein left behind, probs the bio cell
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basically an hour and a half of having snatchers being sent to you, fuckin hell
Whcih is SUPER shit 'cuz if you don't do the X alarm, you gotta go through the mother stealth rooms and the charger scout rooms
And while all that is happening your team has got to deal /w the snatchers
civic wave
ok it's closer to an hour and a quarter but
neon gust
I mean thats kinda the purpose
civic wave
still not great
neon gust
to give you choice
noble sierra
The side zones give back more resources to compensate
neon gust
aside from snatchers arent even that bad you kinda just leave the room your stealthing and kill it
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Would y'all do the X alarm or side rooms for secondary in R7D1?
noble sierra
Go in at least one of the size zone still makes the whole level much easier
torn pond
Whcih is SUPER shit 'cuz if you don't do the X alarm, you gotta go through the m...
and the tank rooms
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and the tank rooms
Yeah.. we stealthed past the tank room
But we weren't doing secondary
torn pond
Would y'all do the X alarm or side rooms for secondary in R7D1?
there was a discussion earlier about this
do you know the deactivate alarms thhing
it works on the class x if its active
ocean spindle
in r7d1 i would do the first error for deactivation of the first X alarm, then just do the second X normally, and then die
noble sierra
0 side zone: not recommended. 1 side zone: enjoy hel the chargers. 2 side zone: slow and steady
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it works on the class x if its active
Didn't know thisw
torn pond
yeah you can effectively skip an alarm
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So if you do 1 side door, it turns the class X into a class V?
torn pond
yeah theres a terminal command that changes the second class x to a class v
neon gust
the game shows you on the warden objective where to find the terminal to lower the security scan class
torn pond
^
neon gust
just gotta read the warden objective
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I'm confused, 'cuz I thought you had to do the X alarm, or both side doors to reduce the X alarm to nothing
torn pond
the second class x isnt that terrible though since its a single funnel point
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Does each side door reduce an X alarm to a V?
ocean spindle
i might not remember d1 a lot but i think it was to lower the second alarm, u need to go into a key door, and the key is in one of two zones
neon gust
Does each side door reduce an X alarm to a V?
the game gives you a terminal
ocean spindle
so u can lower it once
noble sierra
You can do all 4 combinations: 2 class X, error + charger class X, shadow class X + mother/tank, error + mother tank
ocean spindle
inside that key door
noble sierra
Although it's hard to do 2 class X w/o degenerate strats
torn pond
if you want a good guide, Professor Scaler does a great breakdown of the level
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You can do all 4 combinations: 2 class X, error + charger class X, shadow class ...
The easiest for doing secondary is probably to do the charger class X + error, right?
ocean spindle
think so yeah
torn pond
if you want a good guide, Professor Scaler does a great breakdown of the level
plus its just one dude describing the level with a map instead of 4 people telling you over discord lol
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Honestly R7D1 primary is probably the best GTFO level
Except the final room 'cuz of RNG
torn pond
minus the bugs
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I guess I've only played it a few times, so I've never had a bug
torn pond
r7d1 when it came out was ridiculously buggy
noble sierra
Imo all 3 combinations share the similar difficulty, so it's kinda your preference
torn pond
there were multiple game breaking bugs and there still are
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Imo all 3 combinations share the similar difficulty, so it's kinda your preferen...
Doing both side doors are easiest if you're doing primary imo
ocean spindle
no yeah 'when it came out' and nowadays
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The error alarm is sort of easy to deal with if you plan ahead and know the route
torn pond
I guess I've only played it a few times, so I've never had a bug
if you do the checkpoint scan with overload active theres a chance that the snatchers wont spawn anymore but the fog will remain
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And then the other side door you just gotta take your time with
Stealth in this game is rediculously easy once you learn the mechanics
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if you do the checkpoint scan with overload active theres a chance that the snat...
Sounds like a benefit to me
torn pond
there used to be a bug that if you woke the scout in the overload room he would scream and all of the enemies in the level would freeze and none would spawn forever
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there used to be a bug that if you woke the scout in the overload room he would ...
Does this end your run?
ocean spindle
i think its still there isnt it
torn pond
Sounds like a benefit to me
it is but at the same time it renders the entire overload useless
ocean spindle
also yes
noble sierra
R7D1 is still buggy as hell
ocean spindle
pretty sure it did break the run
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R7D1 is still buggy as hell
I guess I just got lucky with it 'cuz I've never had an issue
ocean spindle
yep
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Then again, I've never had any bugs ever happen to me
noble sierra
I would replay the level a lot more if it's not that buggy
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Except the culling/LoD issue /w high FoV
torn pond
pretty sure it did break the run
yeah the scan at the end of the before the init sequence room just wouldnt work if that bug was active im pretty sure
ocean spindle
that level is a fuckin masterclass the problem is sjut the bugs
but thats just one of the bests lvls of r7 if it wasnt so shit
torn pond
yeah its such a shame because that and R7B1 share a similar tileset and its some of my most favorite tiles in the entire game
and its such a buggy disaster
ocean spindle
yeah its a very bright tile, very confusin very vertical very pretty it just has that bad optimization
cause theres SO many movin parts in gardens
like soo many
torn pond
Sounds like a benefit to me
Idk if its just me but it bothers me because it would feel like I essentially cheated and got the proof without actually having to put in the work to complete the level at the intended difficulty
past mesa
r7d1 when it came out was ridiculously buggy
it still is buggy
torn pond
its better for sure
torn pond
but still a nightmare
past mesa
and forced
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Idk if its just me but it bothers me because it would feel like I essentially ch...
Yeah, nah, I feel the same way- it's the same reason why I won't use stupid levels of cheese to beat levels
ocean spindle
i think they like fixed couple bugs n thats it isnt it
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I wouldn't try to intentionally trigger that bug myself
past mesa
not by a long shot
scout bug infite check point charger error wave shooter bug snatcher bug
torn pond
i think they like fixed couple bugs n thats it isnt it
thats still better isnt it
past mesa
what do you mean
ocean spindle
ok maybe i was wrong
idk tbh
i never saw too many patch notes and idk if they do describe the bugs
that r fixed
so sorry
it is better then
torn pond
oh and on release some times the overload, instead of spawning 1-2 snatchers every 4 minutes would spawn 4 every 4 minutes
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Does anyone know if R4C3 'Cuernos' 
is doable /w only bots + no cheese?
noble sierra
Snatcher just have terrible pathing in garden tiles. It can stuck in so many places
torn pond
Does anyone know if R4C3 'Cuernos' <:prisonerefficiency:768796112219144216> is d...
im actually about to attempt it
ocean spindle
bots with choirgers r the most painful thing in this game so
torn pond
Snatcher just have terrible pathing in garden tiles. It can stuck in so many pla...
yeah its really bad sometimes
ocean spindle
good luck
torn pond
Im doing main first and then Ill try PE
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I think I tried just the overload of R4C3, got to the first scan against chargers and immediately failed
..might be confusing it for another level though
torn pond
I think I tried just the overload of R4C3, got to the first scan against charger...
I tried with people earlier and we got to the room with the turbine and got a huge error wave because of silly pathing
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oop
torn pond
yeah my biggest gripe with R4 is that while I love having extra objectives
there are just too many error alarms
the mechanic just gets stale after 3 levels
civic wave
I tried with people earlier and we got to the room with the turbine and got a hu...
Most likely a delayed alarm wave
ocean spindle
there are just too many error alarms
IKR
i havent done a lot
of r4
but by like b2 i was like 'can u stop u son of a hell'
and i dont even wanna imagine how many other levels have it
civic wave
A lot of r4 levels have an error of some kind
Off the top of my head, a2, a3, b2, c1, c2, c3, d2, e1
past mesa
there are just too many error alarms
error alarms are the best part of gtfo
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A lot of r4 levels have an error of some kind
r4 secondary objectives*
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error alarms are the best part of gtfo
Me: "I want to take a giant gamer(tm) shit"
GTFO error alarms: "Allow me to introduce myself"
neon gust
r4 its the error rundown
r5 its the i got 2000m maps rundown
r6 its the optimization its going down the drain rundown
ocean spindle
but the cool rundown
idk ive only seen r6 in videos but it loks cool as fuck
i wanna play it
neon gust
r7 its the rundown with a lot of things going on
waxen jetty
notice how r5 has more errors than r4
ocean spindle
r1 is the easy rundown r2 is the green rundown r3 is the short rundown
even if it isnt shorter than r1 it feels
shorter
civic wave
notice how r5 has more errors than r4
Ah shit you're really gonna make me think arent you
neon gust
notice how r5 has more errors than r4
even if then coming from EA rundown 4 semented itself as the error alarm rundown
civic wave
R2 is infection and extract alarms
winged turtle
even if it isnt shorter than r1 it feels
the last || 🤞 || short rundown
neon gust
while rundown 5 was the rundown with probably the longest level in the game
ocean spindle
i think r8 could b the biggest one
maybe
i wonder what map in gtfo is the biggest
neon gust
i dont want big levels for r8 fuck that
ocean spindle
ik r2a1 is the smaller one
noble sierra
Don't remind me R5D1 again
neon gust
give me substance level
ocean spindle
but which one is the biggest
civic wave
while rundown 5 was the rundown with probably the longest level in the game
Yeah idk I didn't like b4 very much
ocean spindle
i dont want big levels for r8 fuck that
no i meant in levels like a lot of levels not long levels
neon gust
oh
ocean spindle
yeah like r6 kind of a lot of levels
neon gust
r8 needs to be the culminations of combat of gtfo
ocean spindle
r6 had 13 countin the ext
noble sierra
I'll need energy drink before doing R5D1
neon gust
full action and all its game design extacy
mix enemy waves, boss fights
good use of room and tiles
torn pond
i dont want big levels for r8 fuck that
Theyre probably going to be big, considering its by far going to be the biggest story rundown
ocean spindle
full action? a rundown of just r7d2 i wouldnt enjoy ksmdk
some levels yeah but not all levels
neon gust
r7d2 full clear its literally the reason why mix enemies are what make gtfo challenging in combat
all levels in r8 need to be like that
r8 just needs to be C levels and below
civic wave
Making some alarms charger only made them easier I think, silly change
noble sierra
R5E1
torn pond
welp the runs already over
noble sierra
Though that one is a short one and then people just cell skip
ocean spindle
lmao
neon gust
hopefully theyll put the disinfect station on the floor
ocean spindle
idk what to tell u it is a rare bug
civic wave
hopefully theyll put the disinfect station on the floor
Hell no, it stays where it is
torn pond
like WHY
neon gust
they sit 2 meters out of the scan and refuse to get in
known bug
ocean spindle
but well if u ever r in a hurry
lock the bots then add em again
or just lock em for the alarm
hehe :3
neon gust
hes talking about the disinfection station on r5e1
ocean spindle
funky ping
torn pond
idk what to tell u it is a rare bug
RARE??
I get it consistently
its also the reason I failed R4B3 PE with bots
civic wave
I can't wait for them to remove fog repellers from r5e1 like they've done with every other e tier mission
ocean spindle
I get it consistently
idk i played 3 bots for a long time and the only time i saw it was in a duo run where it did happen
neon gust
I get it consistently
restart your game fully
civic wave
Predictable "design" changes
neon gust
like close it, and make sure that shit its gone from your ram
noble sierra
But I like getting infected when disinfecting
torn pond
it happens whenever I play with bots, weeks ago days ago
ocean spindle
it happens whenever I play with bots, weeks ago days ago
tbh i have no idea
i would guess its rng
so maybs u just got funky rng
torn pond
I should buy a lotto ticket
ocean spindle
backwards
ocean spindle
idk check logs ksmdkm
neon gust
so you can send it to the devs
torn pond
It could be because of an open door
like for b3PE in the overload I leave doors open for the sustain to get better pathing,
this one I had a long corridor open to funnel
they were standing on the side with the open door
ocean spindle
well maybe cause the only time i got in was in r1c2 in the first alarm and we leave a door open
but tbf i leave doors open way more times and it didnt happen
maybe somethin when they go into the door and then they comeback to the room- idk
mossy aurora
even if then coming from EA rundown 4 semented itself as the error alarm rundow...
semented.....
craggy pier
💀
tawny slate
Hello, I'm a new player and was wondering do I need to complete the first floor to be able to invite friends?
fierce walrus
you don’t
any level you have unlocked, you can play with others
it works both ways, so if someone wants to play a level you have not unlcked yet. You can play the level with them
ocean spindle
Hello, I'm a new player and was wondering do I need to complete the first floor ...
only the tutorial is solo, TRAINING
lone mortar
only the tutorial is solo, TRAINING
Anything is a solo when you feel like it 
lone mortar
Proved by @inland spruce nothing is impossible
lone mortar
I dont have time and id love to have ppl play with
ocean spindle
nothin is impossible
lone mortar
Im not doing 4hrs
ocean spindle
do it
ocean spindle
no
snow cobalt
I want to know how you guy setup tools to beat a horde of charger in door 100 alarm.
I'm trying on sentry but it can't hold all of charger horde
noble sierra
Can't rely everything on tool, use guns. The only tool tip is take advantage that enemies from the entrance will climb the ladder instead of take the stairs.
ocean spindle
I want to know how you guy setup tools to beat a horde of charger in door 100 al...
so u got two spawn points, what tools do u have
what type of sentry and what else
snow cobalt
i have shotgun sentry face on the door and some of c foam
but the real problem is at door 100 there is two door
ocean spindle
yes, whats ur third tool
another sentry or mines
cause u say u have one, a shotgun sentry, nice, second, a cfoam launcher
which ones the third
assumin u have a bio as a fourth tool
snow cobalt
ok
ocean spindle
but well u have two sentries, so u should have both like facin the stairs of their zones, one facil the ladder at the entrance the other just lookint at the stairs
maybe u could switch the foam for mines, that way u have a more useful too durin more of the lvl and kill waves more easily
and then u can just put mines on the closest doors of both entrances
and if u got mines left just mines spreaded around so they save u a lil bit of time
snow cobalt
ok thank you for advice
ocean spindle
good luck on ur runs
if u have any other questions or want more advice
u can always ask here
faint plume
i just started playing is there any way to oneshot melee the really big ones?
past mesa
i just started playing is there any way to oneshot melee the really big ones?
with yellow injector
winged turtle
i just started playing is there any way to oneshot melee the really big ones?
a consumable that only spawn in on a couple levels
besides that you need a lot of timing, teamwork, or a bit of both
faint plume
well that sucks im currently just playing with one friend so thats fun :)
but thanks
winged turtle
but the technique of keeping it staggers with two people is pretty manageable, especially if you can get limb breaks in every hit
random fiber
if you have two people to kill a giant try this as they are saying:
- person #1 will start by hitting the back of its head/neck. It can be easier to hit if you let it lean its head backwards when it is "alerted" (but not awake). Start charging immediately afterwards. Back of the head will do the most damage and makes a 3 strike kill easier.
- person #2 will follow up a couple seconds later with a full charge to a limb. Breaking the limb will stagger the giant so that person #1 can finish it off with another limb strike. Legs are fairly easy to hit. Start charging again.
- person #1 will hit a limb as soon as they are fully charged again or near to being fully charged. if it breaks another limb the giant should die.
- if the third hit fails then person #2 should be able to finish it off with the fourth hit
jagged shore
@ #3 just wanna point out that the limb breaking is kinda irrelevant to him dying, it's just whether or not you're getting damage from hitting him from behind
aiming at the limb is still good since if you're not getting the back damage and he lives it'll still stagger him again
random fiber
this is true, just good practice to get the stagger as you are saying 🙂
back damage is 👑
soft crater
#1 is false.
Back of head is not required to get the 3 hit kill.
Assuming this is hammers full charge
jagged shore
i think it probably is cause of something something rounding error yeah
soft crater
it ensures theres no rounding fuckery
Rounding fuckery is so rare though.
Not a consistent thing in my experience
If anything this relates back to someone not getting full back damage angle
sturdy glen
welp they dont have to worry either way if someone hits occi
winged turtle
^
jagged shore
even if it's technically not needed
tardy ingot
go ham brrr go stupid
sturdy glen
if you want your correctness points you can have them, its still better
tardy ingot
soft crater
winged turtle
its a best practice, and the fact that its possible without it is a hair not worth splitting
dry pumice
i just started playing is there any way to oneshot melee the really big ones?
Only with yellow syringe that grants like x5 melee damage for 8 seconds. Exactly enough to charge 1 attack and backstab something to death.
Alternative are either learning the art of team-jumping giants (4 consecutive backstabs with hammers / spears bring them down quickly), or you can learn the art of soloing giants by destroying their limbs. You start by hitting it to the back of the head, then you aim for the limbs and break them - each broken limb forces the giant into a stagger which gives you almost perfect time to charger another full power swing and you just keep doing that until they go down.
4-5 attacks like that and they're gone.
topaz anvil
If you think about it, a bullet is just long distance melee
winged turtle
i mean, you aren't wrong
hidden ridge
🤌
tardy ingot
Only with yellow syringe that grants like x5 melee damage for 8 seconds. Exactly...
3x
(its also why its 3 hammer backhits btw)
soft crater
3x for a single hit within 8 seconds
soft crater
If you think about it, a bullet is just long distance melee
Tag me when we can throw our Hammers
cold quarry
Tomahawk trait
topaz anvil
Tag me when we can throw our Hammers
@soft crater
winged turtle
the secret bread reveals the truest truths
amber saddle
🐇 
winged turtle
amber saddle
Song of angels sing 💖🌠
topaz anvil
Bingus
amber saddle
Singus
winged turtle
chungus
latent obsidian
Humongus
latent obsidian
So are you duoing r7d1 secondary
yes, actually
It was all chill til two snatchers turned up on the 3rd terminal sequence
latent obsidian
It seemed like two from the sequence
One of our snatchers never spawned though so maybe that guy decided to unstick from like 15 minutes ago
We started it right after killing the secondary snatcher
topaz anvil
Understanding
winged turtle
only one snatcher per error? thats radical
latent obsidian
disconnect strats 😎
latent obsidian
Thanks I'm poor though so I can't
arctic marten
wanna play r2e1 with me
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@cold quarry
#gtfo-media message
Is this 'cuz I fucked up the double scan??
cold quarry
<@205813839738961946>
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/585063132...
I will have to look at this later i am occupado
north agate
Are there any german players?
tardy ingot
Are there any german players?
Theres even a german discord community
fierce nebula
nuh uh
raven cliff
what is the door V M alarm about? its my first time seeing it
past star
Theres even a german discord community
ocean spindle
what is the door V M alarm about? its my first time seeing it
well V is the class of the alarm, a class five
but M means Mixed, which means it can contain every kind of scan if im not wrong
i think thats what it meant
raven cliff
well V is the class of the alarm, a class five
but M means Mixed, which means i...
what does it mean by every kind of scan?
is it like where it can go to another room entirely?
ocean spindle
like, think of the type of scans, nono not outside the room skmk
like teamscans, red big scans, the cluster of 4 smol red scans
all of those
raven cliff
like, think of the type of scans, nono not outside the room skmk
like teamscans,...
but wait doesnt that mean its just a regular alarm door?
ocean spindle
yes, it is a normal alarm, but can b a lil more funky
what level is it in? ksmdkm
raven cliff
yes, it is a normal alarm, but can b a lil more funky
what level is it in? ksmdk...
r2c1
ocean spindle
ahh
dont worry there i think thats
thats labeled wrong
it is not an M scan
it is a class V but not an M
dont worry u will probs see em on later rundowns
raven cliff
dont worry u will probs see em on later rundowns
alright thanks
ocean spindle
its oki
winged turtle
i think that one is a M, normal alarms always start with a team scan and the rest are the scan type
that one is mostly clusters and ends with a team scan iirc
winged turtle
R2C1? end in S scan?
fierce walrus
most mixed ones do
i am not sure if that is the case there
i don’t remember R2C1
actually wasn’t that triple uplink?
it has a mixed alarm?
winged turtle
team scan, sure, S scans weren't introduced by that early