gtfo-related-questions

[tranquil arch]

https://youtu.be/nxyOt6SlmaM

said video being discussed

regarding alarm spawn functionality

[digital lily]

is there anything in the terminal that can tell you the type of alarm on a locked door?

like bulkheads specifically

[past mesa]

Maybe query but i don’t query doors

[ocean spindle]

no i dont think so

query only like tells u the zones it leads to n stuff

but u cant really know the alarm

[soft crater]

If you fuck around with the bulkhead door. You must find out

[digital lily]

ah would have been cool

[soft crater]

(Or have someone spoil you what it has)

[digital lily]

rip

2 of my grp members are kinda new so def not risking an error or tough alarm section with overload then lol

secondary it is

[spark wolf]

the alarms all have their own settings

and theres waves but theres also groups

most of the usual alarms are very wave based

and are set up in a way that the currently active enemies determine how long till the next wave

or rather, the amount of enemies alive determines the multiplier for how quickly the timer ticks down

theres exceptions everywhere

because of minimums and maximums

the actual spawn cap

and some alarms just being group based rather than wave based

groups only have set timers

but they will still respect the actual spawn cap too

and theres also ramping

which applies to many alarms

you just dont pay attention to it in most cases due to how you setup for the alarms

[ocean spindle]

OK

[spark wolf]

ok

[ocean spindle]

ok

[spark wolf]

a bunch of surge alarms are groups but they have a wave size of like 1k

so if you make it through the whole 1k you can actually get that wave timer

which is infinite for 10 enemies+ in some of the settings

so if you killed 990 enemies you can then kite the surge with just 10 enemies

insane tech

[noble sierra]

Heat fix when? I miss giant chargers in R4D2.

[past mesa]

Once we all start using heat fix in pub games

[next socket]

Can you one shot a scout to the head with -19% melee damage /w hammer?

[sturdy glen]

yea

[next socket]

sauce?

I don't know how this shit works 'cuz a scout has 42hp according to the wiki

And the hammer does 20 charged damage

So with a head shot of x2 it should only do 40 damage, which wouldn't normally be enough but I know a headshot with a hammer works

[sturdy glen]

scouts are 3x

[past mesa]

and back of head is 6x

[next socket]

ah

[past mesa]

so you can have crazy negatives

you can even like quarter charge scouts

1/3 more like it

[next socket]

so it's 20 * (1 - 0.19) x * 3

which is > 42

[sturdy glen]

im sad 100% melee damage doesnt let you tap scouts to occi

[past mesa]

it doesnt

befcause of rounding error i think

LOL

it should

[sturdy glen]

nah its just under

6x6

[past mesa]

ah

my i thought it was going to 7

[next socket]

3 * (1 + 1) * 6 = 36

[sturdy glen]

max melee damage is an experience

surprisingly one shotting giants on occi is VERY inconsistent

[soft crater]

[next socket]

God wtf one shotting giants for an entire run would be crazy

[soft crater]

If you aren't sprint jumping through them and 180 occi hitting their dome.

Are you really killing giants one shot?

[next socket]

How do bots do with the HEL Rifle?

[soft crater]

I wouldn't give it to them ngl. Especially if you happen to line up with a enemy and they fire at it.

[soft crater]

Iirc doesn't like back damage also vary depending on the angle you're facing to its back?

Assuming you have exactly 100% melee boost.

[sturdy glen]

to be completely honest I dont know 100% for sure how back damage works, that is the info ive operated under but

yeah I tried RIGHT on its back

as lined up as possible

and it didnt work 100% of the time

was really strange

[soft crater]

Because with exactly 100% boost. You're doing exactly 120 assuming you have full back damage

[sturdy glen]

im assuming just rounding fuckery but

some of the time even a tap to the back after wasnt enough to finish it

[soft crater]

Rounding fuckery ngl. I've only experienced it twice with strikers

[sturdy glen]

which thats another 12 damage

kinda the same reason I never bother trying to tap occi on shooters

its not that much harder to do the charge I do for occi on strikers for them too

and it makes it 100% consistent

[soft crater]

Shooters occi I charge for like a split second or less

[sturdy glen]

ye

[soft crater]

I rarely ever just go straight for the tap

[tardy ingot]

Thats rly consistent tho

[soft crater]

Ngl I've only really seen the inconsistencies with back damage when it comes to giants specifically

Several times from discussions here as well

[minor fractal]

You need more than 60% charge I think.

[minor fractal]

Could be animation weirdness, but I'm pretty sure most people just underestimate how tight the required angle really is.

[sturdy glen]

idk, its never felt like it to me

I might need to just try it some more and get a good feel for it

but the time it takes me to reposition I might as well be charging anyways

[tardy ingot]

well, it will mostly happen in fast stealth, multi kills or when sprinting past shooters and getting a quick 360 kill

[sturdy glen]

yeah ofc

[cold quarry]

hammer will never lose it's oneshot to scout head no matter how much negative you stack

in fact, i think the knife is the only weapon that can lose it at all

[next socket]

like, head only, or occiput?

[cold quarry]

regardless for sledge

you can't get a high enough -% to make it not oneshot

same goes for any melee except combat knife

where I think its like...16%? means the knife can't onehit scouts in the back of the head

[jagged shore]

got curious and looked into it, and just relaying the specific information:
tldr yeah grongus is right about hammer at least
(all this is assuming the wiki is still correct)
the only booster class that can lower melee damage is aggressive
and the biggest debuff is -23%

100% - 23% = 77% (0.77)

20 (hammer full charge dmg)
* .77 (see above)
* 3 (scout head dmg multiplier)
= 46.3 dmg
scouts have 42 health so ye

[cold quarry]

bat would be 9.24 (x6 on back of head) for 55.44

[cedar blade]

109775242136058613

can someone try my code plz

my friends cant seem to join

[fierce nebula]

23598127849178294124

someone join plz

[soft crater]

5.5 x 1.5 = 8.25
8.25 x 0.16 = 6.93
6.93 x 6 = 41.58

[cold quarry]

i win!

[soft crater]

-15% knife does 42.12 which is still enough to kill scout

[solemn flint]

knife can 1 shot a scout in the back of the head, but it would take so much skill that with my lack of skill, i will never kill a scout

[cold quarry]

As an avid knife user, stabbing scouts is my favorite thing

[solemn flint]

and somehow, scout killing with bat is easier

[ocean spindle]

yeah cause bat goes from right to left

[solemn flint]

no, i still hate bat

[ocean spindle]

knife from below right to up left

[solemn flint]

its just the bat movement

[ocean spindle]

so the trajectory

yeah

thats what im

sayin

[solemn flint]

so smooth

a swipe bonk with a bat

[ocean spindle]

well but its also that

the actual like movement of the hitbox

[torn pond]

Is there a particular level in the available rundows that would be good for practing scout kills? I'm decent with hammer kills but I want to practice using the knife to kill them

[ocean spindle]

many people recommend r7b1 cause it has 3 scouts like startin the level

but in case u dont wanna jump to r7 cause un in r1 or so

r1b2 has a couple of em, i think like two

like startin

[torn pond]

nah nah I'm done with all the levels up to R4 and R7

i just want some exrtra practice

[ocean spindle]

ah oki then yeah r7b1 is cool for that
or u can use mods theres some mods for practice too

[torn pond]

gotcha

thanks

[lilac crypt]

Would 2 shotgun sentries be good for r1 c1 to hold chokepoints or is there a better sentry to go with?

[ocean spindle]

well since c1 is very long hallways, a short range sentry would not b ideal

[lilac crypt]

true

[ocean spindle]

with a burst u can get enemies from more far away, and with sniper too
just if ur gonna take one sniper ur gonna have to use bio and kinda watch its ammo

prob like savin it for later waves for big guys n stuff

[lilac crypt]

wave 4+? or 6+? or lower?

[lone mortar]

It is a good strat to push up to the middle where the terminal is

[ocean spindle]

um 4 and the rest after them

n stuff

cause idk how long u got into the lvl

but in wave 4 funny happens

[ocean spindle]

... whut i didnt got that im sorry
now im interested

whatcha mean?

[lone mortar]

You see the terminal room in front of another security door right?

Thats a good place other than the bridge to hold

[ocean spindle]

i mean, i guess, but over both like the bridge just has a bit more distance

u can see the enemies spawnin

[lone mortar]

But you are talking about shotgun sentries

[ocean spindle]

oh in case u use shotgun sentries

i thought u meant in general woops

[lilac crypt]

its all good. So if I'm going to hold out in bridge shotgun sentries is the way to go?

[lone mortar]

Try to balance out ammo

[lilac crypt]

always a good idea

[lone mortar]

Cause i have a strong feeling that R5 will be a more scarse version of R4

Less resources

[ocean spindle]

thats quite 3 rundowns ahead

[lilac crypt]

ight lads thx for the help have a nice one.

[ocean spindle]

in the bridge, shotguns prob not

or, not with bio at least

[lilac crypt]

ight

[ocean spindle]

if u take shotguns they shoot super fast and waste one shot to a dead body lmao

[lilac crypt]

lol

[ocean spindle]

i mean when enemies r pinged

[lilac crypt]

ya

so medium range turrets for bridge?

[ocean spindle]

yeah, u can aim one like at the hole in the wall another one a bit behind n stuff, maybe a sniper saved for later waves or just three bursts whatevs u prefer

also dont use all the firepower like right away

u dont need 3 sentries in the first wave ksmdk

[lone mortar]

Shotgun sentries reign supreme in R4

[lilac crypt]

so slowly build up on sentries as i continues on

[ocean spindle]

yeah, if u start feelin overwhelmed or u just kinda can tell when to do it, pop an extra one down

[lone mortar]

Just cause the amount of choke points of doors/bulkhead doors

[lilac crypt]

ya

[ocean spindle]

yeah so far r4 is tight, i like it
but well r1 has some ok levels for it too

shotgun on c2 is nice from what i remember

[lilac crypt]

so for weaponry would medium assult rifle be nice to have as a general with one person with a sniper to take out big guys

[past mesa]

@solemn flint who is vergil

[ocean spindle]

yeah usually one person with firepower works nice to take big people out, the heavy assault rifle i guess its nice too, but like just general medium long ranges work perfectly fine

[lone mortar]

Based on what really is good

[ocean spindle]

it doesnt have to b a sniper too i guess it could b another high dmg long range

tho i guess nothin like the oneshot of sniper

[lone mortar]

Having the auto sentry plus any other sentries is a good mix

2 man on the sentry inR7D2

[lilac crypt]

i had a idea of 2 burst and 1 atuo to weaken the hoad but i didnt think that would work well on the mission

[ocean spindle]

idk the sentry in c1 doesnt do a lot

its just for staggerin

[lone mortar]

You have guns dont forget

[past mesa]

why have two sentries that kill things

[lilac crypt]

ya

[ocean spindle]

and like why stagger when u could have a burst

[lone mortar]

Itd be easier to use ammo more than tools

[lone mortar]

It was during an emergency

[past mesa]

what are you saying

just take senties that kill things

[ocean spindle]

i mean the auto either way would use like 50% of ammo in a single round since the enemies are every constant

[lone mortar]

4 Nba players lead by shaq and a tank behind was not cool

[ocean spindle]

and thats a lot of like tool refill

[lone mortar]

And the auto just held all the front waves with the sniper killing them

[ocean spindle]

the sniper on smols its overkill its r1c1

[lone mortar]

So its my POV

No boosters too

I think its a solid ground hold

[ocean spindle]

idk i guess u could test it if u want

like drop twice into the lvel with two different like setups

and see which one like burns tool but saves ammo and whatevs

[lone mortar]

Everyone was bringing high dmgs weapons so the staggers were very much needed

[ocean spindle]

mh then i would blame that ngl

machineguns n stuff on this lvl are pretty necessary

[lone mortar]

[ocean spindle]

or well not even

just like, smol centered guns

[lone mortar]

Big weapons to kill big things

[jagged shore]

i think someone said that tool wise sniper w/ bio is more efficient than burst, even if it's overkill dmg wise

[ocean spindle]

but not 4

[past mesa]

i hate to say this

[ocean spindle]

mh maybe it does get ammo savin n stuff

[past mesa]

high dmg weapons stagger

[lone mortar]

Roast me jish

DO IT

[past mesa]

stagger is overrated in the game unfo

[jagged shore]

i kinda feel like ideal loadout for r1c1 is precision specials (1 sniper, maybe just revos elsewise) and whatever main you're comfy with to fall back on when you gotta reload but there are dudes on you

[ocean spindle]

yeah
or well even if u want a dmr for like range and then a closeup special

[lone mortar]

True

[ocean spindle]

like a machinegun

[jagged shore]

true

@slendi

[ocean spindle]

i am here

ik

:3

[jagged shore]

or maybe even har

with dmr i mean

maybe with hel revo

[lone mortar]

Auto sentries cant hurt you:
The auto sentry with 89% dmg increase:

[ocean spindle]

a rifle on this level must b pretty good

i once dropped into c1 with a dude that his sniper sentry shot lke an auto

he ated all the tools by like wave 5

[lilac crypt]

damn

[ocean spindle]

it was pretty funny

we lost

[jagged shore]

dude
a m0d i've played
the sniper sentry was rapidfire
it was hilarious to listen to

[ocean spindle]

but we did it next try

i imagine lmao

[lone mortar]

Project thermonuclear made by yours truly @grizzled widget

[jagged shore]

yee

[lone mortar]

Now imagine it with 123% cpu speed

[jagged shore]

dreadnought is my current favorite solo modded level i've played

[lone mortar]

The one with mike tyson chasing u?

[jagged shore]

anyway we should prob go back to vanilla talk lest we get banned

[jagged shore]

no, the timer one

[ocean spindle]

i wish my pc handled mods but alas

[lilac crypt]

so medium range for r1 c1

[lone mortar]

Nah i mean i got hacked yesterday by a known hacker so

Im a man without love now

[ocean spindle]

yeah that usually works

good luck with ur runs

[jagged shore]

^

[ocean spindle]

u can change around ur guns n tools to what u see appropiate

[lilac crypt]

gl on yours hopefully it gose well

[ocean spindle]

thank chaa

[lilac crypt]

cya lads

[lone mortar]

Maybe the abyss takes you kindly

[lilac crypt]

maybe

[jagged shore]

i'd say if you can try to get to the reactor a little bit faster just so you're wasting a bit less time between proper attempts, there should be enough resources near the front of the level to cover your expenses on the way there

not a huge deal though

[tardy ingot]

1 sniper probably

otherwise its just hel gun/rifle with hel revolvers

Line ups for days. Just sit near the hole on bridge and spawn camp

[cold quarry]

4 bullpups and 4 snipers

😎

[ocean spindle]

4 precision rifles

[jagged shore]

this is the ideal gtfo ladout. you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

[ocean spindle]

actually a bullpup on this lvl wouldnt b that bad

[lone mortar]

Tau from warhammer load out

[ocean spindle]

since, medium range

[lone mortar]

[ocean spindle]

and no recoil

[jagged shore]

yeah laserbeam ar isn't awful

[lone mortar]

Check dms

[ocean spindle]

i would guess a machinepistol wouldnt b so ideal compared to that

[cold quarry]

laserbeam BB gun*

[ocean spindle]

unless u get very overwhelmed

[jagged shore]

it's honestly weird to think about the fact that i used to just straight up have fun bringing bullpup/pr

[cold quarry]

I still do

but if it's an actually difficult level, no sir

[jagged shore]

i haven't tried since i heard that they're kinda doodoo and i found my second love carbine

[cold quarry]

bullpup is just godawful which is a shame cause it sounds/looks so nice

[jagged shore]

and i usually just bring revo if i would consider bringing pr

[cold quarry]

precision rifle was SUPER useful on r4e1 but other than that I don't see a level where i'd take it

[ocean spindle]

r1b2

?

[jagged shore]

?

[cold quarry]

what is that level agian

[ocean spindle]

shooters

[cold quarry]

the only-spitters one?

[jagged shore]

funny shooter bug

[cold quarry]

yeah

[jagged shore]

not-a-bug-bug

[cold quarry]

idk I don't see the use

wait that's a bug? I thought that was just what made the level unique

[ocean spindle]

its not a bug

[jagged shore]

idk tbh

i thought i hear that it was before but

[ocean spindle]

it is made to b only shooters

[jagged shore]

you shouldn't trust me

[ocean spindle]

shooter bug is not gettin hit bu projectiles

which is different

[jagged shore]

i'm sure it is now
but

[cold quarry]

well even if it is a bug, good 'bug'

[jagged shore]

i thought i heard that at least there was a rumor that it originally wasn't

[cold quarry]

variation to the 3rd level in the game ALSO being an HSU like #1 lol

[jagged shore]

but anyway
dunno why pr is good for that level lol

[ocean spindle]

idk long corridors, easy to pop heads, scouts

?

[cold quarry]

can't relate. Arid 5 enjoyer

[ocean spindle]

really

u need headshots with that on that level

[cold quarry]

fav guns in the game are the bullpup and the high cal

[jagged shore]

i feel like we're putting too much emphasis on the sleeping shooters aspect tbh

cause

wave spawns

are normal

[ocean spindle]

thats tru

[cold quarry]

yeah that level's really not like

you don't NEED specific things

one dude with a combat knife makes quick work of all the sleeping ones

[jagged shore]

most levels are like that tbh

[ocean spindle]

i mean u really dont for most levels

u dont need specific guns for like 90%

just general, this characteristic guns

[jagged shore]

i doubt anyone's gonna go around saying you need a specific loadout for any level in r1

except maybe saying have a sniper in c1

[cold quarry]

other than "bring sentries for c1"

[ocean spindle]

i mean its not necessary

[ocean spindle]

thats a tool not a gun

[jagged shore]

oh for sure

[cold quarry]

jarhead said loadout

[jagged shore]

you could get by without

[ocean spindle]

i mean u need a bio in d1

that is necessary

[cold quarry]

if you're a coward

[jagged shore]

not if everyone has thermals

[cold quarry]

coward talk

[jagged shore]

or just

[ocean spindle]

... ah well i guess

[jagged shore]

good eyes

[ocean spindle]

i use glasses

[jagged shore]

like
really good eyes

[ocean spindle]

i dont

[jagged shore]

same

[cold quarry]

no bio on d1 is fun imo

[ocean spindle]

bois in glasses r cute tho
not me but others

[jagged shore]

everything's heckin blurry without

[cold quarry]

when i take new-player friends on that I make sure we don't have one, just so they can get that "WHAT THE FUCK" moment

[jagged shore]

lmao

[ocean spindle]

fairs

[past mesa]

just take bio

[cold quarry]

coward talk

[past mesa]

then dont use it

LOL

[jagged shore]

tru

[cold quarry]

ohhh...

[ocean spindle]

tho idk what tool u would have then

[cold quarry]

true

four mine deployers.

[jagged shore]

don't ping them until they figure out what's going on

[cold quarry]

gigachad

[ocean spindle]

if u dont have bio u dont have sentries so do u just

mine everythin?

or u die

[jagged shore]

okay
you know how earlier i said that other thing was what peak performance looked like

i was wrong

[cold quarry]

set down enough trip mines that it creates a light show that confuses the grunts and they can't find you

[solemn flint]

devil may cry 5

the guy that wield the yamato

[cold quarry]

plastic chair

[solemn flint]

and the legendary plastic chair

the plastic chair that is the storm that is apporching

[lilac crypt]

Ong

[latent obsidian]

Is the point of forced alerts by bumping into a sleeper to guarantee the nearest glowing sleeper wakes up, rather than a 50/50?

[minor fractal]

Yes.

Other methods work, but bumping is the quietest.

[latent obsidian]

How much do you think using this helps you? It seems pretty niche

[minor fractal]

I do it constantly, so I'd say a fair bit.

Saves a lot of time, and means I have to worry way less about syncing things.

Less information gathering as well.

[latent obsidian]

I suppose its good for shadow zones when its hard to assess the whole lay of the room you can kinda gurantee a safe 2 kills and then carry on

[minor fractal]

If it's at all dark, there are clusters nearby that would take time to reach, etc.

It's fast enough that it's the main reason I don't value knife very much.

The knife clear speed advantage is surprisingly marginal, and not having good ways of achieving forced wakes is kind of a handicap.

[latent obsidian]

Why does the same trick not work for knife?

Oh, because you've woken the enemy

I suppose

[minor fractal]

Turning and such.

There are lots of enemy animation sets that make it pretty inconsistent to kill after.

Especially since you're bumping, the hitbox is going to be shoved into the enemy and cause unwanted hits.

Which can only happen on the first frame of the swing.

[latent obsidian]

Does the first frame take prio over the hitscan?

[minor fractal]

Yes.

It's not a problem on any other frame.

[latent obsidian]

Hm, I guess thats the same on every weapon

[minor fractal]

Bat might be okay because you can aim for body and be okay much of the time.

Shooters might be spooky, but not that spooky.

And then hammer is so good that you can force aggro on chargers.

[latent obsidian]

It doesn't insta turn its front to you?

Sounds like I'm just gonna get beat up and then have a second enemy on me tbh

[minor fractal]

No, but the timing window is pretty tight.

[latent obsidian]

But yeah would need to practice this tech

[minor fractal]

Now that I think about it, bat should have enough time on chargers too.

You have to two-tap and all, but you swing and charge fast enough I think.

[latent obsidian]

Thanks for the intel

[formal hollow]

How do you deal with the charger side on R7D2, they end up spawning behind you?

[latent obsidian]

are you holding on the bridge type area?

[formal hollow]

we send one person in and the other 3 on the bridge

[latent obsidian]

I think it is better to defend in the room after the bridge, this should hopefully stop the back spawns

I don't fully understand why, seeing as there are still rooms 2 away when you are in that room, but this is the advice I've seen given to deal with this problem before

[formal hollow]

but its so much easier to defend on the bridge :((

[tardy ingot]

well its not :p since that makes their spawning fucked

just get inside and place the sentries there and its gonna be chill as long as people shoot

[latent obsidian]

is it just a special case spawn?

[tardy ingot]

hm?

it just somehow borks

i dont know the specifics

[latent obsidian]

In theory you could still get backwaves from either side zone

but it seems like you don't

[solemn flint]

It should be techniclly

But i think somehow the spawn got f up and they dont spawn where they suppose to spawn

Which make the most viable defend spot is in the room after the bridge

Beside, you would get immediate acsess to a ton of resource imediately without being panic for resource and having to wait for someone to bring back

[formal hollow]

We just get the sentries to hold whenever we do resource runs

I just dont understand why chargers aggro when we have one person in their zone :(

[sacred dew]

Why do you want to shoot in the Dark instead of the LIGHT

[formal hollow]

Bio-scanner is easy enough

Bridge is so tight so they all funnel down nicely

[sacred dew]

how do you even see their heads for headshots then

[soft crater]

Use aimbot

[lone mortar]

True

[mossy aurora]

dont forget that enemies that are woken up by a forced long aggro will not proxy aggro enemies next to them

at least i think thats how it worked

[civic breach]

I presume just LFG in beginners for the best possible way to get a good experience in the game ,yea? still havent actually done a game yet 🤣

[lone mortar]

Wait ur new?

[civic breach]

[fierce walrus]

probably

although not many people active right now

[civic breach]

I did the tutorial on like monday or tuesday and thats been it

[lone mortar]

Welcome to GTFO we got:

[fierce walrus]

you might wanna try later

[lone mortar]

Players either more than 2k hrs and players with less than 500

[civic breach]

Fairs @lone mortar

[lone mortar]

[civic breach]

Ah okay, i tried to get a group of guys from my Arma3 unit to play but none of them can be arsed so xD

[lone mortar]

Welcome to always coping simulator

[fierce walrus]

i will be able to play in a couple hours

[civic breach]

you just a memer then Warp ? xD

[civic breach]

Rog.

[lone mortar]

Hey man anyone here is a arse in heart

Yeah

[civic breach]

True

[fierce walrus]

what does that even mean

[lone mortar]

I just love the people in general

Roger…

[civic breach]

Rog. = Roger/Okay

[fierce walrus]

oh

im dumb

[civic breach]

i did just state i play an Arma3 Unit, so we use military terms alot xD

[fierce walrus]

i guess

[civic breach]

10-4, Oscar Mike so fourth

[lone mortar]

I was gonna say starship troopers extermination

But meh

[civic breach]

its quite good ngl

i play operative on it

[fierce walrus]

Server really is quiet if no one joines reyna

[lone mortar]

Support class reign supreme

[civic breach]

ofc

1 want that 40 mike mike xD

[lone mortar]

And oh yeah taun

Do keep the lobby codes in your party dms

[fierce walrus]

that might be a good idea

especially at the beginning

[lone mortar]

First time in my 3 whole years playin this game and i first handed got a hacker

[fierce walrus]

i once encountered a troll

but that is all

but there is plenty of people who encounter hackers

unfortunately

[civic breach]

elaborate more for me on what you mean exactly ?

[fierce walrus]

basically

[lone mortar]

Prevents trolls and hackers to ultimately ruin your gameplay

[fierce nebula]

he said Do keep the lobby codes in your party dms

[fierce walrus]

send the lobby id to people who joined you vc

[lone mortar]

Yea

Post only when youre lfging

[civic breach]

Gotchaaa

[lone mortar]

If not just the mission in general

And let ppl come to u

[civic breach]

understood

[lone mortar]

Aight ill maybe join u in like an hour or so

If youre up?

[civic breach]

Coolio

Yeah i'd be down for some 😄

i'll chill and look at the weapons and shiz for now then

[fierce walrus]

i can join later, if you will still be playing

[civic breach]

o7

[fierce nebula]

put that in the suggestions chat

[cinder lance]

whar's a good combo for the snipper riffle?

[winged turtle]

hammer

[cinder lance]

i liked hard hitting things so i combo'd it with the dmr but that didn't go to well for me for hordes™️

[latent obsidian]

most mains can work. Carbine is good all round, PDW has a short reload so can keep you safe without a special to fall back on, pistol can stagger a lot to give you space and kill reasonably

[cinder lance]

so far smg and rifle been rocking, and tried pistol and felt off with it

[latent obsidian]

Those all cover the weakness of sniper for multiple small enemies attacking

[cinder lance]

true dat

shame dmr was slowly being pushed out the higher i progressed but i will love its ability to one shot shooters 🤝

maybe i can find another build for it another time. alrighty thx

[minor fractal]

HEL Revo and PDW are the best synergies imo.

[noble sierra]

DMR has no problem dealing with hordes

[lone mortar]

Remmah

[minor fractal]

HEL Revo has balanced range and is the strongest standalone main in game (by virute of being mega OP).

[cinder lance]

i forgot that hel revolver exists

[minor fractal]

PDW allows quick switching.

[noble sierra]

Fast TTK fast enough reload, big magazine

[cinder lance]

perhaps i have skill issue. like you can headshot then bodyshot strikers, but felt like i was running dry quick when it came to me fighting class 4 or 5 alarms

[noble sierra]

One can argue that DMR's efficiency lower than some other primary but DMR surely has enough kill power

[cinder lance]

i went dry when i did a room with a 7 alarm. it was r2b1 i think?

funny looking door

[cinder lance]

mega op?

[minor fractal]

Massively overpowered.

[fierce nebula]

I wouldn't say it's Mega OP

[cinder lance]

i waa gonna ask how but i assume it has nice ammo and damage with ok breakpoints

[fierce nebula]

but definitely the choice to make for a main

[minor fractal]

It absolutely is.

It's the single strongest Main in the game.

[fierce nebula]

the rest of the guns just suck

[minor fractal]

Well-rounded, well-statted, and has pen.

It's already top tier on its own, and then pen just makes it stronger.

HEL Shotgun and Carbine both at least have some drawbacks.

[sacred dew]

Hel revo's only draw back is low crit

[hidden ridge]

Hel revo's only drawback is that you need to aim decently enough, really

[sacred dew]

body shots still make it effective and decently ammo efficient

[tardy ingot]

id argue carbine, its by far the easiest main of the power houses aim wise and has the best uptime

hel revo and pdw are both also good choices tho

[tardy ingot]

tbf, hel revo has a draw back. Low mag size -> low dmg per mag

but its ungodly reload cancel and pen just somewhat negate that for free

[minor fractal]

It's easier to play but not necessarily good.

[icy cave]

can't hold it like this 🤌 either

[tardy ingot]

what ray

carbine not good?

[minor fractal]

Eco is important imo since you don't want to use your Main that much.

[sacred dew]

lower skill ceiling

[minor fractal]

W/ Sniper, not that good.

not bad, since it's Carbine, but HEL Revo and PDW have clearer synergy.

[tardy ingot]

hmm i see what you mean (it having low eco, especially with the recent eco nerf)

but as a gun itself its prob the best since its uptime and power outpower hel revo with simpler gameplay even

[minor fractal]

Imo, you want a Main that you can use pretty universally, and Carbine is only kind of that.

[sacred dew]

Carbine can be consistently good while hel revo can be god tier if it can pen

[tardy ingot]

probably depends on what level you in (if you want to have sniper)

hel revo with pen is dirty (see reactor levels)

and after carbine eco nerf hel revo definetly stands out as clear first again imo

[soft crater]

Helpp

Supremacy

[sacred dew]

Carbine's stats are just way off the chart after so many buffs in a row

[minor fractal]

Like, I think Carbine makes more sense with, say, PR...

Because you're complimenting a sustained clear weapon w/ something with a lot more burst.

The burst is nice w/ Sniper, but you're lacking in wave clear in general.

[tardy ingot]

with pr id probably rather take hel shotgun (if its a viable good choice for the level)

also carbine definetly doesnt lack wave clear

[minor fractal]

It lacks sustained wave clear, and is arguably an overinvestment in damage output.

[tardy ingot]

with sustained wave clear, do you mean its efficiency?

cuz otherwise i dont see the argument

[sacred dew]

like against surge wave?

[minor fractal]

Well yeah.

You have way more total clear w/ HEL Revo than Carbine.

And arguably more range on HEL Revo.

[tardy ingot]

it can easily 2 tap strikers and shooters (similar to hel revo) and will definetly 3 shot at worst

if you translate each burst to 1 hel revo shot, then at 100% it ends up with 6 less shots btw

[tardy ingot]

the advantages of hel revo
cleaner 2 shots (if you got the aim) due to no burst
somewhat better range
pen (this makes it a ton better on levels with a ton of line ups)

carbine basically has the mag size of dmr, but without having the zoom issue and having basically hel revo ammo

[soft crater]

zoom issue

[tardy ingot]

unless you heavily factor in pen, hel revo and carbine perform very similarly in wave clear. With carbine having more burst and uptime (its not like hel revo is lacking in those 2 tho)

[lone mortar]

No mo Stream?

[tardy ingot]

1 mate had to dip for work

[cinder lance]

alright. time to try out hel revolver next time then lol

carbine too but i think it's a burst. don't really like burst fire weapons

maybe pw or whatever that other one was

👍

[minor fractal]

Maybe, but PDW is mostly for the quick switch.

It's kind of meh w/ Sniper due to short range.

[past mesa]

Pdw sniper is crazy

But that is more of a thermal scope thing

[verbal zinc]

Schweizerische Gesellschaft is crazy

[past mesa]

Interesting

I like I paired with the deathbringer mine hammer tbh

[ionic galleon]

will all monsters in uncleared rooms aggro during alarms?

[past mesa]

Short answer no

[ionic galleon]

could i get the full one if possible

[past mesa]

Enemies only can be alerted from two ways that you care about gun shoots from open doors in which the range is 30 meters, as well as you can have a scream from wave enemies in the rooms adjacent to where ever you are scanning

And technically proxy Argo from guns shots but rarely does that matter

[past mesa]

As well as door break can alert which also generally doesn’t matter unless there is a scout or scary sleeper right beside door which isn’t a common occurrence

[torn pond]

To people who solo. H O W ? ?

I've tried and its so difficult

[dry pumice]

Yeah. Surprise surprise.

Playing the game the not intended way doesn't work.

[torn pond]

i mean yeah but, I though even a B1 level wouldn't be THAT bad

[dry pumice]

It's mostly exploits and just being mad good at both aiming and kiting / dodging.

Exploiting the AI, cutting corners....

[winged turtle]

hitting every shot, wave management, dodging, managing resources insanely aggressively

only a couple levels demand exploits

[tardy ingot]

eh, soft exploits (long kiting) is done at a certain point
but most levels can be done without any hard exploits

[winged turtle]

every thing C and under is possible if you are the best .1% of players

[neon gust]

how many hours you got

[torn pond]

just shy of 100%

but im done with everything but E tiers

[neon gust]

beat all the levels then attempt solos

[latent obsidian]

Duos are fun too try those

A lot more manageable than solos

[torn pond]

I was trying to run hel auto and stag chain during alarms but it was much more difficult than I expected

[winged turtle]

also, on the levels that require team splits, make sure you try both sides!

[neon gust]

experience the game fully with all teammates then hop in on duos and all the sweaty shit

[neon gust]

you wanna kill more than stagger

stagger only useful on teammplay

solo you wanna kill everything or just dont kill

[past mesa]

Have you code hunted r4e1 yet

[torn pond]

gotcha, I thought since my dogding is sub-par I could just use the stagger to compensate

[winged turtle]

😅

[hidden ridge]

Really depends on the "major exploit"

I'm pretty sure you can solo some maps rather easily by door glithcing the right doors?

[winged turtle]

i mostly wanted to disagree with Artek's fatalism

[hidden ridge]

Sure

That's right

[winged turtle]

oh! and ya, if you door bug you can invalidate almost every single level

[torn pond]

Sounds about right lmao

[winged turtle]

most C tier and down for sure, sometimes like you say with just a single door

[hidden ridge]

Dont get me wrong, most solos you see aren't doing that

And they ARE impressive

Taking for example T-nenpi soloing R6DX, even if we don't count the "kill shit in this room so the ||fliers|| spawn stucked" at the end, doing all that shit before while being solo is absurdly hard

[torn pond]

jesus

I didnt know DX was possible solo

With how insane it is

[dry pumice]

These people will find a way, don't you worry

But again - not how game is meant, supposed, or polished to be played

Not by an average gamer anyway

[torn pond]

There are just some levels that I cant even imagine solo is possible

like R6D2 overload with the 2 teriminal upload

[dry pumice]

I have no idea how one beats R2E1 solo, and yet I'm certain someone did. Same for R4E1.

[sturdy glen]

kiting

and 100% infect resist booster

[civic wave]

kiting + ladder foam

[dry pumice]

If anything I have to ask: is there a single level that soloers failed to complete ?

[civic wave]

or at least that's how blabla did it

[civic wave]

with cheese? no
without cheese, r4e1 and r7e1, I don't think I've seen someone do ALT R4D2 without the bulkhead scans overlapping, probably some others too

[torn pond]

I'm still blind to the last 3 levels of R4

what is E1

because im hearing nothing but horror stories

[sturdy glen]

its fine

[dry pumice]

It's okay

[sturdy glen]

youll like half of it

[dry pumice]

I hate r4c3 much more

[sturdy glen]

well, 2/3rds

[dry pumice]

Yep, first half is standard gtfo stuff

Then it decides to just fuck you

Going in blind? No way you'll survive

[torn pond]

so far I've really liked the first two EXT levels but are the latter 2 just slaughters?

[dry pumice]

What's the other one? D2?

[torn pond]

yeah

wait no

its A3 B3 C3 and E1

[hidden ridge]

Depends on who you ask but from what I've gathered C3PE and E1 Extreme/Secondary are mayhaps the hardest in R4

[sturdy glen]

d2 is meh

[hidden ridge]

With R4E1 Secondary personally taking the spot by a gigantical mile compared to R4C3 PE but that's my opinion

[dry pumice]

D2 is grindy

You'll probably wipe of couple of times

It's just doing same thing again and again and trying to be quicker and more efficient about it

I'm so sick of shooting chargers

[hidden ridge]

R4A3 is actively fun if you manage not to fall asleep during Main/Secondary and B3 is a giant snoozefest after you finish Overload

[winged turtle]

E1 has three sections:
an error,
a reactor (secondary),
stealth

[torn pond]

the only level I've had an issue with so far in R4 is A2 because it took my by surprise

[winged turtle]

doing the reactor blind is a flat mistake

[torn pond]

Is it like B1 Secondary?

[winged turtle]

but the first and third could be cool going blind

[sturdy glen]

a3 has 1 singular interesting part

[winged turtle]

nope

[tardy ingot]

start the uplink after having gone through the error. Run back and cancel :p

[sturdy glen]

which is made uninteresting by the fact that they couldnt make it awful cuz its an A tier

(overload)

[winged turtle]

doing that reactor blind is pretty neat

[tardy ingot]

add r6dx
also id rather say glitches. Since long kiting to that extend is heavy cheese

[hidden ridge]

Ah sure R6DX's magic room counts as "major glitch" in my book just as door glitching tbh

[dry pumice]

The what

[torn pond]

^

[hidden ridge]

There was a room on top

you get in, you shoot, ||fliers|| spawn stucked away

they spawn cap and you do the rest

[tardy ingot]

imo all spawn capping where enemies become useless is

and its why i consider giant kiting and such already somewhat sus (but this at least needs actual knowledge and permanent upkeep)

[hidden ridge]

In my opinion avoid spawn entirely is too, like the magic for having 0 wave spawns on terminal, eh

But I agree

[torn pond]

If it functions semi similar to R7D1 overload scout bug I think it qualifies as a major glitch

[hidden ridge]

Basically AFAIK if you kill something in that room it respawns, if it's a ||flier|| it has a chance of spawning stucked

You do that long enough everything is stuck and spawncapped

[winged turtle]

magic room is just a fancier door glitch spawn cap from the sounds of it

[tardy ingot]

0 spawn wave on terminal?

[winged turtle]

which is the end tier cheese

[hidden ridge]

Like whatever I've seen for having no enemies spawn on R2C1

[tardy ingot]

i actually have a list of what a part of the community considers major glitches

[torn pond]

is it a perma cap for the rest of the level?

[tardy ingot]

you mean quick uplinks with uplink skip?

[hidden ridge]

Well THAT'S the rest of the level

[hidden ridge]

yes

[torn pond]

true true

[hidden ridge]

Surely it requires technical knowledge beyond the "bonk door do funny"

[tardy ingot]

well, its counted as a lawless glitch. But contrary to say spawn capping and locking them away it just finishes the uplink BEFORE stuff spawns

[hidden ridge]

But if you actively get 0 enemies

[tardy ingot]

so you can still get enemies in alarms after

[hidden ridge]

Dont get me wrong I'm not discussing speedrunning rules, that's what you guys that speedrun decide

[tardy ingot]

oh i mean i can understand what you mean

[hidden ridge]

It's just that personally if someone does that stuff in a game I'm in I'd react the same as having someone door glitch

[tardy ingot]

if its used in a solo id probably consider it cheese inbetween hard kiting and actual spawn cap locking?

[torn pond]

is it just based off of weird interactions or does the list include bugs

because some of it is unavoidable, give or take some specific conditions

[winged turtle]

i think the list is short enough it is all avoidable?

whats an example of something unavoidable to you?

[tardy ingot]

the list doesnt consider all bugs (since some barely matter or are permanent (shotgun sway bug )

but it considers all glitches/bugs that are noticeable enough to change game related stuff

[torn pond]

I guess thinking about it some of the conditions would warrant a run restart for speedruns if youre aiming for like WR times

[latent obsidian]

don't forget the thunderdome

[torn pond]

I'm just gonna reference R7D1 again since its probably the buggiest level in all of GTFO, but like if you wipe while overload is active and restart at the checkpoint (idk if its everytime but it was for me) the Overload enemy wave just doesnt spawn

[tardy ingot]

most bugs if they happen (depending on what happens in the situation) will result in the run going to the glitch category (lawless)
theres a specific few that invalidate runs basically immediatly and some that are allowed in restricted

regarding that, checkpoints arent allowed generally

[winged turtle]

it was a spoiler light description lol

[hidden ridge]

Maybe I'm mistaken but I dont think that with "solo" McBingus meant solo speedruns, or did he?

I got into the discussion under the premise that he just meant people who finish maps solo

[torn pond]

you were right lol]

[hidden ridge]

My bad if that ain't the case

[winged turtle]

waa? it turned to speedrunning? but how?

[torn pond]

attempting speedruns is far far out of my skill bracket lmao

[tardy ingot]

thunderdome = full room s scans, so this might confuse some people lol

[winged turtle]

also, speedrunners are the only ones who care enough to categorize bugs

[tardy ingot]

attempting? not at all

some levels will be incredibly rough to speedrun, others will be easier than their normal run if you know the strats

[sturdy glen]

I wouldnt call ending a thunderdome yea

[torn pond]

ohhh okay i didnt know that room scans were "thunderdomes" lol

[latent obsidian]

Alright then give me a snappy alternative

[winged turtle]

they aren't

[latent obsidian]

something with panache

[sturdy glen]

technically it is 1 SPECIFIC instance

but the name gets reused cuz of it

[tardy ingot]

eh, not necessarily

^

[sturdy glen]

its a good name

[tardy ingot]

agree

better than "full room s scan"

[winged turtle]

boss fight, take it or leave it

[torn pond]

whats a level that in your experience, the speedrun is easier than a standard run

[torn pond]

solo -> door glitches -> glitches -> major glitches -> speedrun glitches

[winged turtle]

sorry, i forgot the /s

[torn pond]

ahh mb

[winged turtle]

nah thats on me

[sturdy glen]

idk I just call it mom and dad fight

[civic wave]

the divorce

[winged turtle]

the divorce door

[sturdy glen]

I was thinking about that but the parents fight you not eachother

[winged turtle]

leave it closed, and they are still together, right?

right?

[tardy ingot]

[hidden ridge]

How is the saying "Trouble and make it double"?

I always get that wrong

[winged turtle]

[winged turtle]

"prepare for trouble!"
"and make it double"
iirc

[latent obsidian]

"to protect the world from devastation"

[winged turtle]

it being a second person saying is the thing

[hidden ridge]

too bad then

[torn pond]

"to unite all peoples within our nation"

[dry pumice]

One of those days well get a mature pokemon movie with a serious team rocket that are actually a threat and not a comedic relief.

That day is not today.

[winged turtle]

Jessie

[torn pond]

James

[latent obsidian]

Team rocket blasts off at the speed of light!

[tardy ingot]

obviously requiring a base level of skill (cant make an actual beginner do this)

R2C2 is incredibly chill, the error might aswell not exist. The most optimized strat becomes a bit rough (since you push into a full wave in infectous fog) but if you just clear that its super quick and easy
R7D1 arguably, since you skip like half the actual levels hardest part is just surviving the error (smth you do usually anyway)

[winged turtle]

Booo! i bet you like Twilight Princess and hate Windwaker because "iTs A bAbY gAmE"

leave Pokemon alone!

if you want gritty pokemon write fanfic or play nuzloks

[torn pond]

r2c2 is the PID hunt right?

[tardy ingot]

yea

[torn pond]

I guess this question is more suited for #gtfo-speed-running but do you just do the overload and then straight to Double X

[tardy ingot]

ah thats 100% which hasnt been done in restricted

[dry pumice]

There's some truth to this, I suppose. I don't really play games with lighthearted aesthetics anymore, they just immediately lose my interest.

[tardy ingot]

in lawless its that (but you abuse door bug (or theoretically infinite scout scream)

[sturdy glen]

whats the main only time

[dry pumice]

Loved spyro as a kid. Can't get a vibe from it as an adult.

[tardy ingot]

the current restricted strat is error -> class 4 in error -> split up 3/1
1 person starts error thunderdome s scan, charger class X gets started, 1 person then shuts off the error and the other 2 alarms
after that you jsut complete the free class X and then rush through the init sequence

[tardy ingot]

14:06
with a sub 13 being doable (gl with 4 inner terms tho)

[sturdy glen]

damn

[torn pond]

holy

[tardy ingot]

its still so funny to me that we got that time and the b1 WR while doing Story% (where you arent allowed to reset or die at all and have to do all 5 story missions in a row)

[torn pond]

jesus christ

[torn pond]

So by doing the X and the Thunderdome are you just spawncapping and then the 1 in the dome just Kites with the chargers

[craggy pier]

ayo how bad is the bat for scout elimination

[tardy ingot]

honestly, i recommend speeding to anyone whos interested

you dont need to get the "best" times, its all about the fun in going quick and learning/doing cool strats/movement

[sturdy glen]

being a disappointment to bread and jish is fun

[tardy ingot]

ah no, by doing the "deactivate alarms" you shut off both alarms. Making it so nothing spawns from those 2 alarms

[torn pond]

ohhhhh

[tardy ingot]

dw it all leads back to me

[winged turtle]

thats fine! let them have their fun, mourn the loss of joy in your life, don't resent the joy for not ruining itself coming down to your level.

X

[torn pond]

All weapons are capable and they all have their pros and cons, but personally I think the bat is the worst for scouts (arguably the knife because of the pecision multiplier makes it so you have to be really precise) but the Sledgehammer is where its at

[jagged shore]

pecision multiplier
¿Qué?

[torn pond]

the knife does much much more damage to the head and it does to anywhere else on the body

[jagged shore]

sure but

the knife is never ever gonna kill a scout without hitting the head anyway

hell no melee is gonna kill a scout without hitting the head (without boosters)

[torn pond]

you have to hit the back of the head with the knife

[jagged shore]

so precision multi is always gonna be in play so it's not the part that makes it tighter

same with bat

it's just not the precision multi that makes it matter

it's back damage multi that makes it tigther

[torn pond]

nothing kills to the back of a scout without a syringe

youll be 2 health short with the hammer

[jagged shore]

yes

i simply just don't understand why you brought up knife's precision multi when it's not the part that makes knife scout killing tight

[torn pond]

i guess

the movement speed is the one thing that makes it possible with the knife

[jagged shore]

i am now further confused

what movement speed lmao

[sturdy glen]

bros bustin out the gtfo buzzwords

[torn pond]

youre faster with the knife the bat arent you

[jagged shore]

no

[torn pond]

huh

[jagged shore]

not csgo lol

[torn pond]

i thought you were

[jagged shore]

only melee your speed is affected with is spear, just cause you can't sprint while charging

[dry pumice]

Weapons do not affect sprint speed, at all

Or movement speed for that matter

[torn pond]

welp

noted

[craggy pier]

ok so bat n knife are the same in regards of scout killing

yes?

[dry pumice]

Stamina does though

[jagged shore]

no, bat is slightly easier

for a couple reason i think

[craggy pier]

like you have to jump with the knife

[jagged shore]

firstly its hitbox comes in from the side of your screen
as opposed to knifes which comes from below

[craggy pier]

to actually hit

[jagged shore]

you don't have to but it makes it easier

[torn pond]

I prefer jumping even with the hammer

[jagged shore]

secondly, bat needs to be less behind to get enough damage
cause back damage isn't, you're either behind or not, it scales with how behind you are
so you can hit from off to the side a bit with bat and still get the kill

[dry pumice]

Knife only kills from behind, not sure about bat

[jagged shore]

knife needs more damage so you need to be pretty much entirely behind

[torn pond]

it also only kills from behind

[dry pumice]

Unfortunate

[torn pond]

36 (need 42) to head with bat

[dry pumice]

I think knife should get extra damage from backstabs, like +50% than what it does now

Be the ultimate backstab weapon

[torn pond]

imagine

that would be nuts

youd be able to one hit chargers

[craggy pier]

too op

[jagged shore]

shoutout to the m0d that makes knife do enough damage to oneshot giants to occi

[craggy pier]

why censoring mod?

[jagged shore]

joke

[torn pond]

gotta get those jordans for the jump though lol

[jagged shore]

cause of

[sturdy glen]

knifes op as hell there

[jagged shore]

.t modding

[uneven gulch]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[craggy pier]

m*d

Thou shall get thine balls smashed with a sledgehammer for such heresy

[torn pond]

I mean cant you already one shot giants to occi with a syringe

[jagged shore]

yes

but in the mod you can without and it's neat

[torn pond]

you would make R4B2 (or is it B1 im thinking of) your absolute bitch

i think im thinking of B1

[craggy pier]

vaccine stronk

[jagged shore]

haven't played any r4 levels yet so i cannot verify

[torn pond]

one of those is mostly giants

[torn pond]

nah its the damn near opposite of a vaccine lol

its just straight virus rage

[jagged shore]

roids

[dry pumice]

To this day I can't use that thing properly. Window too tight.

[craggy pier]

i dont use them cuz they give you infection

[dry pumice]

Give me 15 seconds and we'll talk

[cold quarry]

not that bad. Hit them in the back of the head, jump to make it 100x easier

[torn pond]

its not that bad though since you can use 2 before you get the health cap

[cold quarry]

if you get lucky

[torn pond]

if you want maximum consistency for scout kills just use the hammer

[craggy pier]

spear

better

you can hit them from across the room

[jagged shore]

yeah tbh if we're gonna judge specifically on scout killing i do still have to give it to spear

thought it's a lot closer than you might expect

cause with hammer you can also sprint to make sure they stand still to make the hit easier

[torn pond]

Thats what i do

[jagged shore]

obv assuming no one around

[torn pond]

i just eat the spaghetti and slam their brain

spear is much more optimal in situations like R6C1 where you'll be in tight spots

[minor fractal]

Not being able to sprint is a massive handicap for scouts.

[jagged shore]

i think with spear it's totally fine because of the movement of the hitbox

[minor fractal]

You should just know the animations.

Not that hard.

[tardy ingot]

its easier to land the hit when the scout is standing still

[jagged shore]

with spear imo it literally doesn't matter because it's straight

[tardy ingot]

issue 1, its either tentacles out and you cant get in reach cuz... no sprint
issue 2, you cant make it trigger cuz... no sprint while charging

[torn pond]

spear is also way more beginner friendly

[tardy ingot]

its a beginner crutch

it lulls beginners in

[jagged shore]

killing scout while it's moving is ezaf with spear

[tardy ingot]

and isnt good at all

its not like high cal where its easy to use but also decent

[jagged shore]

i'm not gonna disagree that it's pretty crap elsewise

but imo for specifically scouts it's the best

[minor fractal]

It inherently limits your options

[torn pond]

Theres are definitely situations where spear will be more favorable but at a certain point it becomes preference for scouts

[jagged shore]

it doesn't though
with hammer to be really safe i trigger the scout with sprinting before hitting
sure it's not necessary but it's a lot better
spear idgaf i can just walk up to it and hit it, and then don't need to worry about there being others close by that i might wake up with sprint

[torn pond]

with hammer to be really safe i trigger the scout with sprinting before hitting

thats what i do

[jagged shore]

trigger meaning tentacle trigger

[craggy pier]

spear is easier cuz you can just duck behind cover

[tardy ingot]

you can easily disagree with this by watching how hammer opens up a ton of possible scout kills vs spear being stuck in a limited area

its similar to bat/knife being limited in scout kills

[craggy pier]

and then hit the sinner after she retracts tentacles

[tardy ingot]

and you cant with hammer?
also, consider just sprinting at scout

[minor fractal]

And the scout can walk away, turn unexpectedly, etc.

[craggy pier]

sprinting at scout is way too risky

[minor fractal]

To the extent that these things don't matter, they don't matter for hammer.

[tardy ingot]

its rly not

[torn pond]

not really, at a certain level its a gaurentee

[sturdy glen]

ok but can spear do this to scouts #gtfo-media message

[jagged shore]

have you tried aiming at the head

catching up to them isn't hard

[torn pond]

okay wtf is that

[jagged shore]

and if they turn
you turn

the spear hitbox is a straight line it's not that hard

[craggy pier]

hours in gtfo?

[cold quarry]

mf Mordhau-lookin-ass swing

[jagged shore]

do not challenge eva

[torn pond]

thats not a fight youre going to win

[minor fractal]

So is Hammer if you're actually in range.

[jagged shore]

you will not win

[craggy pier]

i just asked m8

[jagged shore]

do u know what a straight line is

[cold quarry]

no. elaborate

[sturdy glen]

exactly why I tried it (technically chiv but)

[torn pond]

EVA is one of the best GTFO players

[tardy ingot]

huh

[tardy ingot]

1,9-2k?
but i could do this at like 200 super consistently and learned it around 70 or so

[minor fractal]

Do you know how melee hit detection works?

[craggy pier]

crack snorting

[minor fractal]

If you are in range, it is hitscan on a set delay.

[craggy pier]

🤯 120h for me

[cold quarry]

Knife killing scouts is easiest because all your teammates go "oooo"

[torn pond]

isnt that how all melee works?

[tardy ingot]

i am definetly not but thanks
(also dont let kenny hear this, he will meme on me)

[jagged shore]

shotouts to the time the game would give me reticle small on head and then hit neck

[minor fractal]

You missed, my guy.

[sturdy glen]

idk I just never bother with hitscan on scout unless I absolutely have to

[minor fractal]

Also, generall if your'e able to walk after the scout

w/out waking the room

[craggy pier]

spear ez for noobs, hammer ez for pros, bat is meh, knife use shotgun

[minor fractal]

you can just sprint to force tentacle.

[craggy pier]

simple as

[jagged shore]

yes
with a hit that would be impossible to miss like that with spear

because it's a straight line

not an arc

[minor fractal]

It

is

hitscan

[jagged shore]

the shape

[minor fractal]

You have to miss to miss.

[jagged shore]

is still

not

straight

[minor fractal]

The hitbox is not used

[cold quarry]

melee's hitscan and not an arc when you're super close? i've had moments where im inches from a sleeper, stab, and i scrape the wall and don't hit them

[minor fractal]

if you are in range.

[tardy ingot]

once you are confident (doesnt even need to be well placed confidence) you just charge, sprint. Jump and hit -> kill

its actually very easy

[minor fractal]

On the very first frame, it will check the hitbox first, which doesn't matter on hammer since your hitbox starts above you.

On knife and bat it's more problematic.

[jagged shore]

every experience i've ever had says that the shape is in fact used because then i'll also knife a dude with reticle on his head but knife hits his chest because i'm close enough

[torn pond]

its just clockwork after some time

[cold quarry]

that makes more sense, but also seems like a much more insane system than just using the arc the whole time

[sturdy glen]

its a good system

[civic wave]

not like it's early access where scout almost always crouched for host when you go to sprint into it

[sturdy glen]

despite being more complicated

[minor fractal]

On every subsequent frame, if you have a direct target it ignores the hitbox completely and waits for the hitscan.

[minor fractal]

Melee weapons would be insufferable if you couldn't force it to use hitscan.

[torn pond]

thats so pain

[craggy pier]

the only thing im confident about is that i suck lmfao

[jagged shore]

same

[craggy pier]

and that bot pathfinding is goofy

[cold quarry]

you just wait for them to add the machete where you can Mordhau-drag it to hit four enemies in one