gtfo-related-questions

[low willow]

hel shotgun is much weirder to use for a level like this but you can certainly try it

wouldn't be terrible in secondary at least, if you plan to do that (it's easier than main, I found)

[wise beacon]

It probably is, I don't know what the secondary is for that level- we just wanna clear main XD

[vague bridge]

worked for me surprisingly well

[low willow]

you can honestly get away with a lot

i cleared it as a duo with bots (main and secondary) and i was using bullpup/PR - the funny loadout

[vague bridge]

wowzers

[low willow]

then again

[wise beacon]

Precision is nice for the big targets that eat up the sentry

[low willow]

so far I've done everything in R4 like that

no, precision rifle is not nice for giants

you say you have a sniper player

get them to take out giants

[wise beacon]

Big targets, including hybrids

[vague bridge]

hybrids are also good sniper prey

[low willow]

ehhh, on hybrids PR works a lot better but you're still better off with a sniper for them

[vague bridge]

if you can manage the ammo

[wise beacon]

Yeah, that's the issue

[low willow]

It's 6 shots for PR to kill a hybrid out of 49 - roughly 1/8 of its max ammo

Sniper on the other hand is a onetap

[wise beacon]

That's not as tough to manage as sniper ammo-wise

I do have a pretty good booster for ammo but lost two uses to crashing

Well, efficiency- +49%

[low willow]

While sniper is harder to manage, sure, I think it pays off with the amount of bigs in that level

[wise beacon]

I've gotten pretty good at tango with bigs so I'm not too worried about them (with spear)... so long as people don't keep coming to shoot it and then it backhands me XD

[neon gust]

Pr its the sniper for small enemies

[cold quarry]

we had the same thing, the waves sesem a little delayed

[finite echo]

just recently i got gtfo and i joined the server. rule 13 is a bit confusing to me because i assumed the rundowns were supposed to be played in order. should i skip all previous rundowns and just go to the newest one?

[ocean spindle]

nonono
it just refers to old versions of the game

[finite echo]

oh. thank you

i was wondering if that was the meaning but i wanted to be sure

[ocean spindle]

yeah i have a copypasta with the full explanation so ksdmk im still gonna post it

:3

soo this game used to work like fortnite seasons
when Rundown 2 came out, it replaced Rundown 1, Rundown 3 replaced Rundown 2 and so on, everytime a new rundown came the old one got eliminated
on Rundown 7 tho, the devs decided to bring the old rundowns back, and they did it the ALT://Rundowns, the old rundowns but slightly changed and optimized

there it is

[finite echo]

thanks

ive been out here grinding through the old rundowns and now i feel dumb

[wise beacon]

Nah, not a bad thing. You get artifacts/boosters and cosmetics for completing old ones

[ocean spindle]

and also its like the best way to start ksmdkm

so no worries

[wise beacon]

Yeah... R7 is brutal compared to R1

[finite echo]

ima keep chugging through em. i certainly enjoy the extra content anyways

[wise beacon]

I kinda wish they'd introduced some checkpoints into older rundowns ;3;

[finite echo]

that would be nice. i just played training and i was wondering why i havent seen any checkpoints

[wise beacon]

Checkpoints made experienting with approaches live in levels a little less punishing if it didn't work well

[ocean spindle]

i like checkpointless ksks
bit more tense n very faithful to the original ones

since r6 and r7 r the only ones with em

[wise beacon]

Yeah, but R6 and 7 are pretty brutal, with hours of play on the line if one thing goes wrong the checkpoints are a godsend

[brisk swift]

Which levels take hours of play from these?

[finite echo]

i think it adds an interesting factor because it encourages to play stealthy. if you mess up in the earlier rundowns its a fight for your life or else you lose it all. its def annoying when you are trying to extract out and you lose, having to go back so far

[ocean spindle]

,,, i mean r6 is prob like 3th or so easiest rundown

[wise beacon]

I know the last R6 with the big boi, my OG team was taking an hour or so, and we never got to the end. All of us were the slow methodical type, not run around with knives blazing

[ocean spindle]

yeah r1c2 cost me, too much ksdmk

[ocean spindle]

from r6, im not sure, i think all of the D tier and maybe c2
from r7, the levels that r super long r b2 c2 d1 and e1 i think

i mean, it depends mostly on ur skill

theres not really a set timer

those r just like the larger ones but u could also do em under an hour if ur skilled enough

[brisk swift]

Yeah, I’m not sure any level in r7 besides maybe c3 ever took more than an hour to run

[ocean spindle]

ah yeah c3

i forgot

[brisk swift]

Definitely not a checkpoint hater to be clear tho, I think they’re great for new players

Was just curious as to what you were referencing

[wise beacon]

My OG group were slow stealthy, the group I have now one of the guy very often goes to 20% and stays there the majority of the level because he wakes up so many sleepers

[ocean spindle]

ah what novia was referencing ksks

[finite echo]

i honestly am alr without em. i like that risk that there is and it adds to the immersion of the game

[wise beacon]

The current group is faster, but I like slow methodical

[ocean spindle]

yeah it just depends on playstyle a lot, some levels from r6 did take a lot, but tbh so do lot of levels of r2 and r4

r2d1 is like

7 years long

if u do it slow

[wise beacon]

We're struggling in some R4's

[brisk swift]

There’s a time and place for both I think

[wise beacon]

Yeah. I'm a bit soured against fast playstyle because back when 6 and checkpoints were introduced there was a bug that'd happen if you reloaded and you were holding an objective item for the scan. There was a different bug too- I couldn't pick up resources, thus use them on myself. Went into the level with the boss with two randos that were doing the run ahead and kill everything thing when I and the other guy I was with said we like the slower game

And then they yelled at me a bunch at the end when I kept calling for ammo. "I'm bugged damn it, I told you two!"

[brisk swift]

Sounds rough

[wise beacon]

Yeah it wasn't fun

[brisk swift]

I don’t think fast = wake everything and throw though

You can be fast at stealth and still be methodical

[wise beacon]

Those two didn't but those two were really suspicious

[brisk swift]

Lol

[wise beacon]

Hack-y suspicious, because they'd go to a group of 5-6 sleepers that were within range of one another and kill them in seconds with hammers, not a single one gone off

[brisk swift]

I mean

[wise beacon]

It's possible, yes

[brisk swift]

That’s very possible if you understand aggro

I do that fairly regularly and I don’t cheat

[wise beacon]

I understand how clicking/aggro works, but how they were doing it, never stop moving just kill and kill and kill, something felt off with how they pulled it without a hitch

[brisk swift]

Enemies have a scream timer

[wise beacon]

But also just the fact they were told that I and the other guy wanted to play the level not get a carry

[brisk swift]

And prox aggro only reaches a certain range

[brisk swift]

This is fair though

[ocean spindle]

that hurts so bad

[brisk swift]

If you’re host and you say you want to go slow they should respect that

[wise beacon]

Oh yeah I was host

[sturdy glen]

thats just ppl being assholes not fastplay being bad

[brisk swift]

I personally wouldn’t join such a lobby, but that’s no fault of yours

[sturdy glen]

which sadly, that does happen a lot

[brisk swift]

Exactly this ^^^

[wise beacon]

I don't feel like I legit beat the level

Does sour it though

[brisk swift]

Which level?

[wise beacon]

Uh... R6D1? The one with ||Kraken||

[brisk swift]

Yeah that’s the one

Bummer

There’s not even a need to go fast on that one really

[sturdy glen]

I mean

[brisk swift]

Although I still enjoy doing so, they should’ve respected your wishes

[sturdy glen]

it is a long and semi boring level

[wise beacon]

Mmhm. I loved the reactor sequence, the first time I encountered the tank was great

[sturdy glen]

but again yeah, you hosted for a non carry clear

and specified

[brisk swift]

Agreed and I wouldn’t join that lobby, but definitely cringe randoms

[sturdy glen]

yeah, they coulda just not joined lol

dicks

[brisk swift]

Exactly

[wise beacon]

Yeah it was an LFG post with I and another guy looking for a full team

Yeah

Like... dudes, c'mon =3=

[brisk swift]

Lame

[wise beacon]

I can't wait for R6 to come out again so I can replay the level

And not have to worry about the bugs present at the time

And checkpoints... those will be nice

[sturdy glen]

the heavy carry item bug still exists

the resource pack one also still exists I think

[past mesa]

alt r6 introduces super checkpoints

[wise beacon]

It does? Well I guess we've also not done levels with checkpoints either

Resource pack as in can't pick them up, or about the funny business if a bot has one?

[past mesa]

The checkpoint soft lock

[past mesa]

Interact bug

[sturdy glen]

yeah

[wise beacon]

Ah. Well then. Has there been any troubleshoot type fixes?

[sturdy glen]

I think I missed the part where you mentioned bots

[wise beacon]

I know disconnecting and reconnecting didn't work, gotta completely restart your game

[sturdy glen]

no

they did fix sniper melee

[past mesa]

Interact bug only happens to host

Kinda hard to fix

[sturdy glen]

or wait was that r6

[past mesa]

“They”

[wise beacon]

Bots carrying resource packs display them at 0% instead of "consuming" which goofs the AI up a little

[sturdy glen]

"they"

so true

yeah bots still do that

uhhh

there are SOME fixes for

heavy carry item

but its time consuming and you have to do it EVERY single time you use the checkpoint

[wise beacon]

Bluh. Easier to double check and make sure any heavy carry items are like 30 feet away from checkpoints when you scan XD

[sturdy glen]

yeah that doesnt matter at all

its such a nasty bug

[past mesa]

That doesn’t do anything

I have gotten it after I used cell

2 minutes before checkpoint

[mossy aurora]

interact bug can happen to clients too

if you pick up your sentry and look away too fast you can get it

probably can happen with other objects as well, but have had it happen personally couple times with sentry and seen it happen to others that way

[past mesa]

Wait really XD

The way it happens to host is different idk if that method can happen

[brisk swift]

Yeah I’ve had it happen both ways

[sturdy glen]

ive mainly just seen the vers where 1 person just has the plague for someone

[brisk swift]

Can confirm client and host can both get it

[sturdy glen]

and they cant give shit to 1 specific person

[brisk swift]

I play on 6400 DPI so the client bug happens regularly to me

[mossy aurora]

the host one is probably a different bug then

but the client one can be fixed just by disconnecting and rejoining

[neon gust]

XD

xdxdxdxdx >:D

[past mesa]

XD

such a good game

[dreamy pecan]

is it normal to have constant max spawn of shadows after picking up the data sphere in R4C2

[sturdy glen]

yes

[icy cave]

yep

[sacred dew]

no

pretty sure max spawn is something like 25

I only see around 15

[worldly stirrup]

HOW can i pass r1c1?

[tardy ingot]

@winged turtle

[dry pumice]

Give all bots Burst Rifle + Machine Gun (any).
Give Bishop BioTracker, the rest - sentries of your choosing.
Go to LFG ( #how-to-matchmake ), find at least 1 person and have either him or yourself be on code duty and put in the codes in the last second while the other guy is busy doing scavenging runs into outer rooms to bring supplies.
Hold on the bridge leading to reactor - it makes for a perfect killing zone and it puts your closer to supply rooms than holding in the reactor itself / the creepy tunnel leading to it.

Its probably doable solo, but the level is just not designed for it. The fact that you have to be the one to go and insert codes each time wastes a lot of time. You'll have to sprint you heart out and probably run back to defensive posisitons with the wave already on your tail and praying that your sniper sentry wont accidentally shoot you on the way back.

[tardy ingot]

the level honestly isnt bad at all with bots

but it will need understanding of mechanics

[dry pumice]

No, it just needs sprinting and min maxing

[tardy ingot]

whats hard about sprinting?

and you dont need to minmax with bots, you need to in solo

[past star]

My finger hurts holding it down for so long

That’s why I needed a speed break

[hidden ridge]

Just remember not to get on the truck or the bots will be stuck trying to give you stuff and never shoot

[winged turtle]

Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"

a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand

the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.

when you start looting after the shooting, you have quite a lot of resources around you to spend as the code person runs out and runs back. and on longer warm up times for the later codes, you have enough time to run forward and loot in previous areas.

when giants spawn having someone with a good weapon for bigs like sniper rifle is useful (especially for hybrids that will launch a 40 dmg barrage from across the map). as well as saving tool by only having 2 sentries down for most waves, saving it for later waves or the waves with Hybrids (4, 6, 8).

this is definitely a 3 sentry + 1 bio tracker level, and when you learn all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is good for tight corners, but goes through tool a bit quickly so it is not well suited for reactors.
Autosentry is in the game.

if you have a bot, they are a boss with the biotracker so give them that, and if you have three bots god go with you.

[mild yoke]

"Autosentry is in the game" lmao

[nova lance]

Does anyone know how to tell bots to use deployables on the steam deck?

Wanted to try it out and so far that's the only roadblock so far

[hearty aspen]

finding team for 7E1 quite hard nowadays,tho cant be helped because it a long arse mission lol

[tardy ingot]

less about being long, more about tedious (especially with usually 1 person being on stand duty)

[hearty aspen]

well it pretty much same tbh,long mission usually tedious to do anyway

[tardy ingot]

nah not necessarily

Stuff like r4d2, r6d3 etc

is fine

[icy cave]

It's just an hour

[hearty aspen]

well i wish,not everytime you get a speedrun team

[icy cave]

that's regular times

R7E1 just feels long cause it's boring

[hearty aspen]

well,stealthing the big chargers zone on a6 and mothers is boring aye

[icy cave]

so much is boring. babysitting pablo, stealthing the zones.

codes is pretty fun but that's it

and first alarm

but all that is just an hour. 1.15 if slow

[tardy ingot]

as DJ said

Speeding (or even speedrun) times are 40 min (25 min)

[tardy ingot]

tank fight is snooze, other dimension is snooze

reactor is the fun part

[hearty aspen]

i enjoy snatcher hunt duty tho,since i hate that mf

[topaz anvil]

the concept of the entire level is good but the execution was a step back in quality

[past star]

Anyone know why tank sits afk behind the r7e1 reactor flesh wall sometimes for no reason?

for 3/4 code

[cold quarry]

Just hangin out

[hardy grotto]

probably same reason tank just fucking afks in r4e1 bread

[midnight tulip]

does the cfoam booster only work on full charges?

[regal inlet]

in my experience yes
I don't have enough foam boosters to test this more tho

[ocean spindle]

i would guess it works proportionally with the charge
at full charge it works completely, at half charge it works with half the power, with single blobs it doesnt work
but i have no idea

[sturdy glen]

its just rounding shit

the easy answer is it doesnt work with single blobs and will work with full

and in between is more complicated

[regal inlet]

you have a point
Foam boosters is the % of ammo spent
So full standart charge = 12 blobs
with let's say 15% booster full charge = 10 blobs, but all 12 fly out

but if you tap, something equal to 80% won't make a shot free , you'll still spend 1 ammo

[nova lance]

Do mines work on the shadow enemies?

[ocean spindle]

yes

:3

[nova lance]

Assuming cfoam does as well then?

[ocean spindle]

yep

think so pretty sure yeah

[nova lance]

Cool, appreciate it

[ocean spindle]

idk why would u foam em but

aight dskmkm

[nova lance]

Idk died 3 times on the last rundown 1 level with team

It's always in the final run to extraction

Was gonna try something new, maybe cfoaming enemies so we can get more time in the run?

[ocean spindle]

soo pro tip
bio + sentries make the sentries see the enemies in case u dont know, which means if u need assiatnce u can get em with ur sentries

and the levels has no doors, so mine + foam isnt gonna work

[nova lance]

Marking with bio or just holding it or what

[ocean spindle]

and just foam means enemies can get around it very easily

[tardy ingot]

just always have bio tracker

[ocean spindle]

markin the enemies

markin the enemies lasts less on shadows but if u can like keep taggin em

sentries will keep shootin em

[simple bobcat]

Never not have a bio tracker

[ocean spindle]

never dont no not have a bio tracker

[nova lance]

I know that

I don't run the bio though

[simple bobcat]

Bio Tracker is one of those things you don't notice too much until you don't have one. And then it becomes noticable real quick lol.

[nova lance]

And my friend said it doesn't always mark all of them

But I haven't used it on shadow levels so I wouldn't know

[ocean spindle]

bio can b a lil quirky if ur new usin it but once u like get the hang u can
u can get most of em pinged

its the same as with normal enemies

[nova lance]

He's usually good

[ocean spindle]

but the pings fade away faster

thats it

[nova lance]

Idk what his problem is with shadows then

[ocean spindle]

maybe like the ping fades before the sentries can shoot em or they panic cause who wouldnt so they only tag like the first enemies of the wave

[nova lance]

Well thank you for the info very helpful

[simple bobcat]

the Long Range Flashlight is also nice against shadows because it clearly shows them for the team from far away

[ocean spindle]

and thermals can also spot em with the... thermal

so pdw is a very nice weapon for the lvl

pr not so much since its a bit, small for its long range at the end and there is a lot of big ones
also pr is just funky

[simple bobcat]

Combat shotgun is also nice vs shadows

Don't even need to see them, just twitch and shoot

Warranty on teammates not included

[bold ginkgo]

combat shotgun all around is goated

[dreamy pecan]

what is the strategy for r4c2 after picking up the data sphere?

[civic wave]

walk in the straightest/fastest path possible to extract

close whatever doors you can behind you

you should be able to walk faster than back spawns, front spawns you have your teammates shoot

[cold quarry]

yeah shadows are so slow you should make it to exfil just fine

[next socket]

R4d1 tips for final room please I've wiped there twice now and I wanna die

(I hate reactor missions)

[neon gust]

Shoot it for secret wave 5

Not joke

[next socket]

I did this when I fucked up a scout and tried clearing but the bots get dicked down

[neon gust]

Lemme guess 3 botsM

[past mesa]

Yup

[neon gust]

Ayayay

[past mesa]

I think you can just stealth good

Rainbow

[neon gust]

Yeah just dont fuck up the room you should be good

[past mesa]

Just look where terminals are on a map

[next socket]

Yeah well skill issue tbh

[past mesa]

Is it scouts or everything’s else

[next socket]

It's the scouts + time remaining tbh

[past mesa]

How much time do you have

[next socket]

Doing that damn lv4 alarm with bots is stinky

[past mesa]

Like 4 mins right

[next socket]

I had 3

Went a little too fast

[past mesa]

Hmmm

You do have enough ammo to repeat wave 4

Just so you know

[past mesa]

2 solutions maybe take bio yourself

Or take foam

Will speed you up and make it safer

[next socket]

Ngl idk if I'll be able to do it with only 2 sentries

We'll I've only wiped twice so

Third time's the charm 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

[past mesa]

I am sure you got it do you know where terminal is

[next socket]

There are two potential locations as far as I understand

[past mesa]

Yup

[next socket]

I have a map I looked at

[past mesa]

Nice good on you

I think you go it man

[next socket]

I'll try to build up +50% melee damage 😛

One shot the chargers anywhere in the body

[craggy pier]

whats your loadout

[bitter widget]

Where do I go for server specific questions?

[past mesa]

here

[bitter widget]

oh ok, I can't see any of the other LFG channels, and some are off limits to me. Do I just need to be here for a while or do I need to do something to access the other LFGs?

[craggy pier]

never heard of this 🤔

[bitter widget]

never mind, I just had to go to the search function "Channels & Roles"

[median cape]

All you have to do is just run and basically never stop honestly, only stop very briefly if you have multiple enemies in front of you

At least that's what I did when I finished it

[nova lance]

Exactly what we did

[median cape]

Then you might've been just unlucky

[nova lance]

We're typically all on low health by that time and get picked off in the run one by one

[median cape]

I mean yeah you want the most health possible.. iirc when I did it we were all at like 80-60%hp (though I might be wrong since it was like 2-3 weeks ago)

[tardy ingot]

its 3 or 4 enemies per wave that spawns (with decent time inbetween)

Do not leave someone behind for no reason.
Simply shoot the shadows that are coming from ahead

keep walking, shoot and if needed revive people that goofed

[solemn flint]

shoot it

[median cape]

I believe I ran through some of the shadow waves since I didn't know about them at first

[tardy ingot]

its completely doable, just a bit more risky

the cracked strat is having 2 people already on extract when the alarm is over

[brave juniper]

does anybody else have problems with c-foam grenades not baricading doors ive had several occasions where i threw a grenade at a door and it just put it on the floor and it cost me two solo runs now

[craggy pier]

did you light tap it?

[brave juniper]

i held til full charge

idrk what happened i figured id just ask in the discord in case theres some niche to it im missing

[craggy pier]

doesnt happen frequently but not much u can do there other than pray to god

[brave juniper]

damn

i had two grenades to baricade a door for an alarm and threw them both and they didnt work T-T

[tardy ingot]

from where did you throw them :0?

[median cape]

i mean i would be more careful if i knew about them in the first place i realised there are some shadow enemies past the halfway point of returning to extraction

[hidden ridge]

Dont run

What probably happens is

||shadow wave|| is slower to move than normal enemies, you think you're done with the wave but there's remaining enemies

clear that wave first, then start moving and shooting

[nova lance]

So is there only a finite amount of enemies during extraction?

[hidden ridge]

No

[nova lance]

Or do multiple waves spawn

[hidden ridge]

What happens is that they keep spawning after the alarm

but with the alarm they spawn many more

so alarm is turned off but they're still spawned in a rather large wave

I've seen people try to push through that wave and that's harder than just wait for the wave from the alarm to be over

then you push "little by little"

Basically, when alarm is done, wait for the "big wave" to come to you, finish that, then push little by little

Or rush, really, I guess what's killing you guys is you either get lost or you try to run into the larger wave

[nova lance]

I am usually the second to go down

But based off what the farthest running one got, there was quite a few to say the least

[tardy ingot]

you started running when the alarm was done right?

[hidden ridge]

Just stick together and kill them together

[tardy ingot]

thats the mistake then

[nova lance]

I will be honest I don't remember

Does the extraction only become available after the alarm or no

[hidden ridge]

yes

[nova lance]

Then yes we finish the alarm and then run immediately

[hidden ridge]

But the alarm spawns way more enemies than the endless alarm afterwards does

[neon gust]

You can always do the classic
Clear everything then movr

Finish the alarm, kill everything then you push and kill everything that spawns forward while you go to extract

[soft crater]

Instructions unclear. Gtfo was deleted from my account

In a way I have cleared all enemies

[topaz anvil]

The only right outcome

[midnight tulip]

What's a diminished alarm?

[ocean spindle]

waves of enemies spawn faster but have less enemies

normal alarms spawn more enemies but with more delay

[soft crater]

Give or take
13 / 25

[dry pumice]

Basically waves for new players. They're much weaker. Any level that has them was basically meant as a tutorial level.

Which once again comes into a hilarious clash with this whole rundown thing.

[ocean spindle]

damn such, pasive aggresive ksmdkm

[dry pumice]

R1 doesn't have them, R2 probably doesn't either and then bam - 7 rundowns in you suddenly have them

This whole FOMO shtick is really screwing with the game's coherency

[sturdy glen]

they arent necessarily easier

[dry pumice]

Explain

[sturdy glen]

sometimes they can be arguably worse since enemies come from multiple directions rather than 1

[tardy ingot]

iirc they spawn their waves quicker

which what chill dude just said can be quite rough for new guys

[dry pumice]

Hm

[sturdy glen]

(this is mildly counteracted by global door hit cooldown but sometimes you dont have that)

also yeah diminished alarms were what

r5 extension?

[dry pumice]

I don't know, i feel like wave strength is the single most important thing sleepers have

[sturdy glen]

mines:

mixed bag, like most alarms, some can be AWFUL just cuz of room layouts

[minor fractal]

Not really? Replacement is a big deal, and is something you can play around by stalling enemies just a little.

[dry pumice]

if you cant quickly dispatch 20 biters - they just surround you and nible you to death from all directions. Having less of them makes it easier to just nuke them out of the room and continue as usual.

[tardy ingot]

its pretty noteable on r7b1 1 room diminished alarm

kinda fucky

[sturdy glen]

yup

1 room and theyre both sec doors

so awesome

[dry pumice]

I had the privelege of experiencing that level "properly" with 2 room spawns

[minor fractal]

Like, surge waves aren't scary because they're mob cap.

[dry pumice]

It was so much more fun

[minor fractal]

Surge waves are scary because they're constant mob cap.

[dry pumice]

They always ccme from the entrance room and you get a nice sniping position on them due to all the catwalks

Now they just spawn in the fucking key room and bumrush you through the darkness

I understand their reasoning for changing it, but i don't agree with it.

Its a goddamn B1, you literally didn't have to.

[tardy ingot]

2 burst sentrys would make that so boring lol

[dry pumice]

Aesthetically speaking watching sentires stall them off in the security door was amazing

[mossy aurora]

i thought diminished alarm just starts off with fewer enemies then ramps up to normal

[dry pumice]

The neon scanners, the gun flashes

[minor fractal]

The wave timer is kind of funky.

Because as it ramps, it thinks it's low on enemies and starts wanting to spawn more.

It might not matter after max ramp, but at least for the first wave or two it will start the next wave on its own even if you don't kill a single enemy.

[mossy aurora]

[tardy ingot]

@civic wave silent shot isnt shooting when doors are opening

[civic wave]

it wasn't when the door was opening, it was pdw quickswap after the door had opened

[minor fractal]

Quick switching doesn't cause silent shots afaik.

[sturdy glen]

awww silent shot is banned?

thats sad

[ebon jolt]

nah door was still opening when i shot first scout

[civic wave]

hm maybe the door was not quite open for the second shot

actually no I think the door had only just opened, so it would be silent shot assuming that there's no grace period

[tardy ingot]

1st shot legit
2nd shot fringe case, id say silent shot. But its hard to tell overall

but not all glitches are instant disqualification. With both scouts dead the room wake up is ignoreable, especially since they sprint into it right away. Would it have been 1st silent shot that wouldve most likely disq. it

[ebon jolt]

I shot second scout and door was just about to be fully opened. It would have made no diffrence if room woke up from that shot tho

[minor fractal]

Silent shots should be silent on client, as well.

Also if the scout died

[tardy ingot]

wait nvm

he was host

LOL

no silent shot afaik then

[minor fractal]

It's not possible to be a silent shot

[civic wave]

hm, I guess

[minor fractal]

Because silent shots require you to switch off

Accidental silent shot would be a PDW shot

Which can

't kill scout

[mossy aurora]

i thought this too, but i've definitely had moments where i try to pull a room and nothing got pulled because i quick swapped

on 150+ms hosts only though

[noble sierra]

^ Happened a decent number of times when using bio & quick swap

[civic wave]

I've done this with pulling rooms more than I have genuine silent shots, drives me crazy when it happens

[mossy aurora]

i have never successfully silent shot when i wanted to with quick swapping but have fail pulled like 10+ times

[tardy ingot]

i feel ya ryk

i do it so often randomly when i just wanna reload cancel

[mossy aurora]

and yeah i think it happens mostly with bio

shoot -> pull out bio to ping but nothing awake

[civic wave]

can you do it with reload? I feel like that's what's happened with most of my failed pulls

[minor fractal]

To be super clear, this isn't quick switching.

[tardy ingot]

i think it does with hel revo quick switch

i know what ray means tho

[minor fractal]

Quick switching is swapping to a second weapon, and then shooting with it, to my knowledge.

[tardy ingot]

anyway, it isnt a silent shot anyway and wouldnt have disq. it due to circumstance

its also why a shooterbug isnt necessarily a insta disq.

[mossy aurora]

this seems dumb

[tardy ingot]

hm why?

[ebon jolt]

it depends on the situation ofc. Lets think about it you play the whole level without shoterbug getting fucked by hybrids and shit. You stand in exit scan and a small shooter hits you and you don´t take damage. Why should you be disq?

[tardy ingot]

^its generally situational

Hell you could have accidental door bug, but if it has 0 influence you wont be moved to lawless for it

[mossy aurora]

doesnt someone disconnecting dq you?

[tardy ingot]

disconnecting?

ah

the rules are set up for that yes

its so you dont dc to move key quickly to host

if a case happens where you have an accidental dc that doesnt give you time advantage (but also doesnt kill the run, which would be super rare) at a rly good time. Then that run could be accepted possibly (up to verifyers and mods)

@mossy aurora hope that clears it up?

[sturdy glen]

me when steam maintenance mid run

[cold quarry]

absolutely tuesday'd

[zealous rover]

just got the game, i was wonder about how long a rundown takes to complete??

[ocean spindle]

hello!! sooo depends a lot on ur playstyle

[cold quarry]

an entire rundown or a level

[jagged shore]

a rundown or a level

[ocean spindle]

a level depends on like how long is it, but usually most are around the hour or hour and a half when ur new, if not less, maybe more

and rundowns have different amount of levels, rundown 1 has 6

sooo thats about 6 hours, but of course as a newie u might fail n do some levels slower some faster

it just depends a lot

[civic wave]

an experienced group could do shorter rundowns (1 and 3) in aroud 3 hours

longer rundowns, which is everything else, I'm not so sure about

[turbid horizon]

Fireblades crew did R1 in like sub-2hr

[tardy ingot]

god we really gotta get it done in sub 1 hour

its hilarious that r1c1 takes up like 33% of that somehow

[jagged shore]

i mean i don't know why that's a "somehow" lol given how the level is

[turbid horizon]

Reactor go brrr

[tardy ingot]

i think it was like 10 min of warmup

[tropic vine]

imagine an r2 speed run

r2d2 would be the real killer lol

[tardy ingot]

its would be the least "speedrun" like speedrun of r2

everything else was run at good speed (well r2c1 only with a tech thats now lawless)

[upbeat stirrup]

okay i have to ask since @toxic sky keeps saying its bad

is the burst cannon still a pretty solid weapon or is it garbage

[ocean spindle]

it is fine
its still pretty good for big ones
and if u didnt killed more than 3 smols per charge, u can still use it as always

[soft crater]

it's still good. just get your recoil control skill issue fixed .

[civic wave]

good for bigs/bosses, but a bit unwieldy

[soft crater]

aside from that. it doesn't oneshot strikers. but it literally leaves them with 1 hp

majority of the people saying it's bad are the people who can't control it's recoil imo

[minor fractal]

It's bad.

Playable

but bad

[tardy ingot]

aka niche

revert the recoil change

and its a good niche gun like sniper

[hardy grotto]

its p good for bigs and boss enemies still

[ocean spindle]

i wouldnt say its bad
just average and still ok

[hardy grotto]

but u cant just use it vs smalls and stuff

[soft crater]

not bad. but Niche as Eva stated

[tardy ingot]

recoil change sucks so bad

idk why they didnt learn from HAR

[soft crater]

imean HAR's made no sense

[hardy grotto]

the recoil is manageable but it doesnt feel great

[soft crater]

I can understand Burst cannon

[tardy ingot]

manageable, same shit people said for HAR

did anybody rly use HAR?

hell no

yea burst cannon makes more sense with it

but it makes it feel so bad

[dreamy pecan]

is r4c3 overload > secondary > main?

[ocean spindle]

[this has nothin to do but im normally the guy that says 'oh a gun feels bad then its not fun' but now its just reversed ur the one sayin it feels bad :3]

[ionic galleon]

If a door is closed will no noise pass through?

[soft crater]

no

[ionic galleon]

Is running and shooting safe ?

[ocean spindle]

whatcha mean

[ionic galleon]

Like doing that behind closed doors where enemies are

[jagged shore]

yeah should be

[ionic galleon]

Thanks

[jagged shore]

unless there's another door to the same room that's open

[ocean spindle]

if a doors closed u can shoot kill wake up the room ur in

[civic wave]

secondary first, then overload

[dreamy pecan]

well shit lol

we just slotted the key into overload rip

[dry pumice]

Yes, closer doors cut out all noises, minus bugs and glitches. Haven't experiencing any myself, but the possibility is there.

[ionic galleon]

Thank you

[civic wave]

you can still scope it out I guess, or just spend the 3 minutes to restart

[ionic galleon]

Only thing that bypasses closed doors is the door alarm right?

[minor fractal]

It requires too much attention to use for smalls now imo.

[dry pumice]

eh, sort of

[mossy aurora]

i did

[dry pumice]

alarms do not wake up enemies, they spawn new ones

[minor fractal]

And also the ammo nerf means it's treading water no matter what you use it for.

P sure moms is basically its only good use-case.

[dry pumice]

which is unfortunate for immersion but such is the nature of gaming

[civic wave]

and even then, you can still fire into smalls and if it works, great
if it doesn't it just feels bad

[ocean spindle]

um not really
an alarm makes enemies spawn from the other rooms in ur zone, if u left a room w/o clearin they might go there and awake the enemies, but once u deal with the alarm, u can open the alarm door and everythin will b asleep behind it

unless u, open it while shootin or somethin

[hardy grotto]

yea i cant see myself ever using it vs smalls now ray

i dont rlly use the gun anyway now

[dry pumice]

high recoil on a burst weapon... literally blasphemy against gaming laws

[ionic galleon]

As a beginner should I start with Rundown 1

[dry pumice]

Yes.

[tropic vine]

yes

[ionic galleon]

Thanks

[dry pumice]

It is the easiest one and has the least mechanics.

[ocean spindle]

yeh

[ionic galleon]

Also what’s the difference between Melee m1 and m2

[dry pumice]

Due to the nature how this game was handled R7 feels like a goddamn whiplash. Its a different game almost.

[ionic galleon]

Really? Lmfao is it that hard

I struggled with the tutorial fr

[civic wave]

I used Burst Cannon vs smalls in an e1 run and when it worked on 2-3 sleepers it was cool, but really it was awful

[ocean spindle]

um left click chargers the hammer and deals a lot of dmg, and right click shoves, which stuns enemies

[dry pumice]

Not so much hard - just very different in... Many things.

[ocean spindle]

also yeah r7 came out 2 years after rundown 1

or 3?

somethin

like that

[ionic galleon]

Damn

[dry pumice]

Like forceful lore dumps, new enemies, new maps that are not present in first 4 rundowns...

[minor fractal]

It's alright w/ Autopistol, but "alright" in a loadout that handicaps you is ehhh

[ocean spindle]

the game worked differently

but u will catch up as u play

u will see the different changes

itll b cool >:3

[hardy grotto]

thats a rlly funny loadout idea ngl ray

im gonna do that sometime

the busted loadout

[civic wave]

weapon mods exist right? wonder if you can get old burst cannon (and maybe even bring burst cancelling back)

[ocean spindle]

probs

[tropic vine]

you can

[minor fractal]

That's p easy to do. Burst cancelling less so, but I think mods are there for it.

[civic wave]

ok right, so

that means you could also mod old hammer stats back into the game right? and then heroic heart

and then extra penetrating hel revo for good measure

[ocean spindle]

.t modding

[uneven gulch]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[ocean spindle]

u know u can just like

make weapons n stuff right

[civic wave]

yea but I'm never gonna bother installing mods

[tropic vine]

fair fair

[minor fractal]

"QoL" mods.

[civic wave]

ah right no embeds here (damn you), why am I even wondering about this when I have old files

[jagged shore]

I thought I heard old files stopped working after ar4? Or did i misunderstand

[civic wave]

Nothing stopped them from working afaik, although I did have trouble with old files when alt r1 original released

[jagged shore]

Hm, guess I'm dumb then

[ionic galleon]

what does artifact heat mean

[ocean spindle]

so every time u pick an artifact it contributes, lets say for example, 0.10 to the progress of a booster
once u got enough artifacts to get to 1, u get a booster
artifact heat means how much the artifacts contribute to the number, in this example, 100% artifact heat means 0.10 for each artifact, but with 50% artifact heat, that number will go down to 0.05

[ionic galleon]

ah thanks

[ocean spindle]

its oki

[sleek mist]

heard this game was made by the devs of pd2 which is pretty awesome but
how is it actually different from other co op shooters on high difficulty like aliens fireteam for example

they said its high intensity

[cold quarry]

haven't played aliens but my usual description is "takes more brainpower"

[sleek mist]

so it deters most shitters from even bothering from trying the game

how vital is teamwork for a successful round

[cold quarry]

i mean always, but mainly on deeper (harder) levels

but when you're new you pretty much always need to be working together if you wanna live

[tardy ingot]

i dont know about that specifically

but the difficulty isnt that enemies suddenly become insane bullet sponges (tankier enemies appear more often tho) or that theres multiple times more enemies in combat. The spawn cap is the same for the easiest and hardest levels

[sleek mist]

hows the game run

[cold quarry]

usually good most of the time

there's a few levels where performance goes down the drain

[fierce walrus]

i play on a laptop and it is good

[sleek mist]

i mean i play cyberpunk so ive seen some shit but

[cold quarry]

not nearly as bad as cyberpunk

[sleek mist]

i just dont wanna see any embarassing glitches or shitty unpolished elements

hows the gunplay, music, graphics, aesthetic and so on

[mossy aurora]

dont tell him...

[sleek mist]

?

[cold quarry]

IMO those are all top tier

[mossy aurora]

[cold quarry]

shooting things feels good, game has a great OST

[sleek mist]

see i bought SCP 5K thinking it was gonna be high end gameplay wise

graphics are ok but was bitterly disappointed

[jagged shore]

you're probably gonna get some of those
especially if you play later rundowns

[sleek mist]

as long as nobody is walking through closed doors

or driving upside down

[fierce walrus]

bots are

[latent obsidian]

how about not walking through open doors?

[tardy ingot]

if you avoid using checkpoints you will avoid most actually impactful glitches

[jagged shore]

don't play with bots and you won't see guys walking through closed doors

unless massive desync

[cold quarry]

god i wish they walked through closed doors more

[tardy ingot]

theres one level that has insane bugs tho

[cold quarry]

go to shut a door, mf bot decides to go to the other side and stays there until the heat death of the universe

[sleek mist]

as long as its not inherently a part of the way the game is coded

[mossy aurora]

if you want a polished game with a bug-less experience this game is not for you honestly

[sleek mist]

not bug-less but theres levels to it right

[cold quarry]

I feel like thats overstating GTFO's bugs

[tardy ingot]

most of the games issues are desync related (so when you have bad connection with the host)

[latent obsidian]

this game is easily a lot buggier than other games I've played

[jagged shore]

there's probably still gonna be some stuff like that
stuff that makes logical sense to be able to do but you can't do

[tardy ingot]

This

[sleek mist]

If the issues are because of desync, I can understand that

[latent obsidian]

But its still a great game

[sleek mist]

last thing

[mossy aurora]

it depends, some people consider the game's existing bugs to be already too much, it depends on the person's standards

[tardy ingot]

let people actually talk about the gamebreaking bugs and its a realization of how little those happen

[sleek mist]

i just need to see things that show the devs give a fuck

in dead space 3 for example

[tardy ingot]

the desync ones are HORRIBLE

[mossy aurora]

they dont

[sleek mist]

they dont care

[jagged shore]

you're
not gonna see much more of that here

[sleek mist]

[jagged shore]

game's near the end of its lifespan

they're wrapping up to work on cyberheist™️

[tardy ingot]

eh

more at the end of its update span. With there probably still being 4 major updates

[minor fractal]

This isn't really the place to expect positive answers given most vets are pretty bitter about the state of the game, lmao.

[tardy ingot]

This

[latent obsidian]

I mean its also kinda true though

[tardy ingot]

youll see very negatively shaped opinions instead of simply critical

[sleek mist]

EA move

thats fucking bullshit though

[jagged shore]

i mean

[latent obsidian]

I'd like to think I'm not bitter about the game I'm just being realistic

[mossy aurora]

unless if you're asking if the devs care about the lore then yes they most definitely will patch to fix missing logs

🤓

[minor fractal]

The game is still great if you're sold on its premise.

[sleek mist]

Look I just dont want to waste like an hours work on something that's gonna turn to shit in 6 months time

[minor fractal]

GTFO still delivers on being GTFO.

[cold quarry]

as a dude who is not a vet and started back in like Jan: game is fun and has a lot of content if you're new, but understandably vets are annoyed they haven't seen any actual NEW content in like a year and it will probably take even longer

[sleek mist]

I really want this game to be what I think it is

[jagged shore]

upi

fucking

offset

this game can easily keep you busy for hundreds of hours

just

learning

and getting better

[cold quarry]

I mean the games not gonna get WORSE. if you have friends to play with, its a LOT of content that isn't going anywhere

[latent obsidian]

If you've looked at what the game is like now, its not gonna change much from that

[mossy aurora]

if you like the game for how it is, the bugs arent big enough to be that big of an issue, but if you aren't that into the game and what it has to offer, i can see them turning someone off

[latent obsidian]

They are gonna add some more content and thats about it

Maaaybe they will fix some bugs at the end of the day

but thats kinda cope

[sleek mist]

ive bought games wherein the publishing company abandons any form of support for the game and moves on is all

it creates problems

[cold quarry]

inb4 cyberheist bombs and we see Rundowns 9 through 15 announced

[tardy ingot]

and again

If you take aside the desync related bugs you are left with far less impactful stuff

[jagged shore]

the game is p2p so if you're worried about servers going down then it shouldn't be an issue i think

[minor fractal]

Ngl, the company would more likely dissolve, Grongus.

[sleek mist]

last thing

[cold quarry]

sadly you're probably right

[tardy ingot]

i think theres 3 levels where you can get soft locked

[sleek mist]

hows the gunplay compared to other titles i might know

[minor fractal]

GTFO ain't paying for 100+ devs.

[mossy aurora]

gunplay is probably most of what keeps the disgruntled vets still playing

[cold quarry]

gunplay is real nice IMO. guns feel good to shoot, things feel good to kill

[mossy aurora]

so its pretty good imo

[jagged shore]

yeah guns feel real nice

[sleek mist]

is it similar to dead space, gears, payday, kf2

[cold quarry]

Arid 5 High-Caliber Pistol is probably one of the most satisfying guns i've used in any game ever

[mossy aurora]

its first person so not like gears or dead space

[civic mist]

The gamebreaking/impactful bugs just feel very bad especially for newer people when they happen after alrdy putting in 1-2 hours into a lvl. So I can see them becoming very discouraging.

[cold quarry]

paydays gunplay is pretty shitty unless they changed it in recent years? audio isn't really strong, guns don't feel punch-y

[mossy aurora]

when a new team says they got checkpoint bug and the response they get is "Just dont use checkpoints "

[cold quarry]

haven't played it since like 2015 so things might have changed

[mossy aurora]

😔

[latent obsidian]

this is why you start at R1 so when you get to R7 you are good enough not to use them

[jagged shore]

that kinda stuff kinda angers me yeah
like you're not wrong but you're also an asshole

[sleek mist]

compared to kf2 then

[civic mist]

also a stupid reply to newer people that probably like using checkpoints to learn the game while not losing tons of progress every time

[cold quarry]

its like "Yeah that's the answer but it REALLY shouldn't be"

[cold quarry]

better IMO

[craggy pier]

are you talking about payday the heist or payday 2

there's a huge difference between the two, even more so when payday the heist was made by ulf and bo

which means there's a huge influence from ulf for the first installment

[cold quarry]

which is probably why the heist is better

[craggy pier]

even more so when I would say payday the heist plays more or less similar to gtfo

even the mechanics are somewhat similar

for example, the 25 spawn cap is present in both games, there's only a select few weapons and all of them are distinctive from one another

a trade that is present in gtfo, not so much now

if you're comparing it to kf2, then I would need to know if which difficulty you play

because normal plays vastly different when compared to hell on earth

a lot of the enemy mechanics change from difficulties, this ranges from zed attacks to movement

while gtfo maintains a constant difficulty

there's also a perk system that heavily discourages players from off-perking, which means a weapon that is proficient on a sharpshooter will give you a poor feeling when you use it on firebug

and this is not present in gtfo

melee combat is also pretty simple in gtfo, while it gets a lot more complicated in kf2

[minor fractal]

@sleek mist Not sure what you're looking for specifically, but GTFO's combat tends to be built around a fairly standardized arsenal where weapon choice is all about dealing with certain threats for your team and weapon usage is all about playing around your resources effectively (knowing when to make the most of your ammo vs. go ham, and being an effectively combatant in either situation).

I like the feel of the guns, personally. Recoil varies a lot per weapon, and might either feel overwhelming or quite tame depending on the shooters you're accustomed to. Since it depends on weapon, though, you'll probably find at least a few guns you enjoy to start out.

[craggy pier]

there's directional swings, combos, heck, even shoving can cause different incaps on zeds which can save your life in some scenarios

[tardy ingot]

Checkpoints were a mistake

[cold quarry]

remove checkpoints and add the ability to exit + save a level in-progress to come back to later on those hour long mfs

[fierce walrus]

that would be wonderful

[craggy pier]

there's also a skill of learning zed animations by using shove to save ammo for wave 1

[tardy ingot]

if you can only rejoin once :p

[tardy ingot]

this rly depends on where you start

if you go from rundown 1 to 2, then theres how many level related bugs?

R2B4 sound bug, r2d1 sound bug, r2e1 missing cell

All 3 pretty rare

[mossy aurora]

terminal bug

[cold quarry]

mfw i'm trying to pay my taxes and that mf says detecting personnel...

[sleek mist]

gonna buy it prob next week

[tardy ingot]

you mean where it locks you out? Thats desync related no?

[mossy aurora]

no

[civic mist]

I dont need a whole ass analysis of which lvls have which annoying bugs. All im saying it is probably feels very bad for new people to have the game break while theyre putting in effort to learn the game only to get stuck or sth like it. Sure, a lot of GTFO is about wanting to learn the game and get better, but it definitely feels good getting a win once in a while

[latent obsidian]

it goes on sale quite often btw if you don't mind waiting a little bit. Most recently 30% off

[cold quarry]

biggest bugs for me IMO are the bloodstain blindness bug and the fucking snatcher bug

[civic mist]

that bitch locks me out when i dont let it finish its ping

[mossy aurora]

also someone walking close to you when you are on it/exiting it can cause it as well i think

[cold quarry]

it is kind of insane that terminals just stop functioning if you walk away, like they just won't finish a ping-in-progress

[tardy ingot]

?

[latent obsidian]

this is the only time I've seen it happen

[jagged shore]

i think i've encountered the terminal completely locking me out once in a few hundred hours

[minor fractal]

The terminal lockout is p annoying, no idea how they introduced that one.

It's a soft-lock that actually affects me, too.

[tardy ingot]

it very much feels like desync related stuff. Tho this might be just it happening more often with bad connection by chance

[jagged shore]

jesus i have 400 hours in this game and i'm still so behind on content

[cold quarry]

329 here. patiently waiting for r5

[minor fractal]

Seen it at least 3 times, twice on essential terminals in R4.

B1 reactor and a D1 code terminal.

[mossy aurora]

i did r2d2 with a few pugs who were traumatized from getting locked out on code 9

[latent obsidian]

I've only seen it once on an R7D1 alarm terminal when someone was crowding the guy typing

[mossy aurora]

[minor fractal]

W8, they were all essential, I think it happed on an R2D2.

It was like code 2, thank fuck.

[cold quarry]

i think I would scream

if that happened

[hidden ridge]

Hold Q after exiting

But they'll ping only once even with -t

IIRC

[soft crater]

I had a friend who swore. Terminals still work when you're away from them.
Let's just say we waited for a fat minute for nothing to happen until one of us walked by the terminal

[noble sierra]

Uplink works even if no one is near the terminal

[tardy ingot]

hold q when walking away and they still do their stuff

[noble sierra]

Most of the commands don't work when deactivated

[topaz anvil]

I will never abandon an uplink until i hear verifiable proof that it's finished

[cold quarry]

yeah i don't trust them shits

[soft crater]

To be fair it wasn't a unlink terminal we were testing. It was the Overload reactor terminal in R6D3

[cold quarry]

is the C-foam launcher's indicator wrong? I play w/o crosshair but ive noticed on a friends stream that when the launchers gauge is full, the crosshair is still charging

[ocean spindle]

yeah its a bit funky

i mean one blob is like 2 charges on the Foam launcher itself

... idk if thats a good example

[hidden ridge]

It has always been like that since I can remember tbh

Personally I've always considered the crosshair to be the one telling the truth, albeit, I'd lie to you if I didnt also tell you that I never bothered to check

Perhaps the Gauge is the strenght by which the foam is propelled?

[tardy ingot]

i honestly dont think the speed changes

[hidden ridge]

It doesnt from what I'm seeing

Can confirm that shooting as soon as the gauge is full does not fully foam a small door

While I'm pretty sure doing so when the reticle is full does

[tardy ingot]

you need 9 blobs for it, tho the effect doesnt always happen with 9

[hidden ridge]

So I guess the gauge is the circle but it fills up only to a degree

[tardy ingot]

the aim circle makes it shoot 12 blobs...

which is a waste

[hidden ridge]

both small doors filled up with gauge filled circle + 3 small blobs in different spots

I remember reading SOMEONE saying that the blob foaming a door is dependant on whether the first and last blob hit the same spot

but I could be wrong

[tardy ingot]

just count how many blobs you fire at full gauge ?

[hidden ridge]

What I wrote was to address this you wrote "tho the effect doesnt always happen with 9"

And my test were just half-assed to see what the relation between the gauge on the foam launcher and the reticle was

Since Grongus asked why they weren't synched, since the gauge on the foam launcher fills up to full before the reticle does

They aren't synched because the gauge on the foam launcher itself only goes up toa certain point while the reticle shows actually how much it can get charged

Why it was done that way? I dont know

[soft crater]

The effect only happens with 9 if you stacked the blobs on each other in various spots

Or 1

Iirc 9 single blobs all over the door doesn't have the foamed effect

[hidden ridge]

#gtfo-related-questions message

I've no idea how to find that post again since I dont recall the exact words used

[soft crater]

It isn't lol

I've always 3×3×3

For my blobs

In which are not the same spots

[hidden ridge]

Yeah you're right

What I remember was related on how sometimes a blob doesn't count if you're client or some shit like that

[spring parrot]

Hello there, me and my friend are quite new to the game and we have issue beatting hordes of chargers (R1C2 I think). We play with 2 bots.
What are the best weapon for this kind of situation ?
Tks

[latent obsidian]

Hel rifle one shots chargers and penetrates through to hit enemies behind, so you can kill several with a single shot if lined up. Hel gun does something similar but it takes two shots to kill them.

[tardy ingot]

best suited are weapons good against chargers (hel rifle, choke mod shotgun and hel gun) and general spammy wave clear guns (veruta machine gun and combat shotgun)

What kind of tools are you using?
That also matters

[spring parrot]

I run bio tracker. Friend is full auto turret. One bot have mine or turret and last one is alway turret. Most of the time auto or shotgun

I find shotgun very unefficient. Hel rifle I like but never run on this mission.

[hidden ridge]

Auto sentry just staggers so switch it for Burst IMHO. Giving the bot the biotracker instead of bringing it yourself has the downside that they wont relay enemy position info, but the upside that they have much more range and much less CD on that, so if alarms are what you struggle, bot bio would help

I mean, regarding weapons I've nothing to add that darkeva or ellda already said

I usually give bots Burst Rifle/Veruta but I've no idea how much that impacts your case tbh

[terse lintel]

May be worthwhile just putting up a post in the LFG Beginners tab and seeing if a couple of people would join you too? Always better with people I find

[spring parrot]

Tks all for the answers. Will try this envying and give my feedback.
Have a good one !

[spring parrot]

Why not. Will talk with my friend.

[terse lintel]

If they cool with it I'm happy to volunteer

[spring parrot]

I'll keep that in mind. Tks !

[sleek mist]

Yeah game looks awesome, gonna buy it on sale

[soft crater]

loads in checkpoint and can't drop heavy item

Funniest thing is. I've seen this happen where 3 people were stuck carrying a item and only 1 person was free from the bug

[hearty aspen]

which have higher ttk against a big charger among the 3? choke/burst/hel rifle)?

[latent obsidian]

Hel rifle I'd imagine

[dry pumice]

Choke

[weary mesa]

Single bbc? Choke mod for sure

[dry pumice]

HEL rifle takes too long to charge

Choke shoots as fast as you can pull trigger

Provided you don't miss of course

[latent obsidian]

higher ttk = highest time to kill?

[hearty aspen]

yeah

if it a 1v1

[dry pumice]

So like fastest or slowest

[hearty aspen]

against multiple i would imagine hel

[dry pumice]

Low TTK = things die faster

[hearty aspen]

okay sorry for the wording lol : better ttk

[latent obsidian]

Then choke, yeah

[dry pumice]

It would be weird if you were asking which guns takes the longest time lul

[hearty aspen]

[dry pumice]

Wait how much damage burst Cannon deals again

95 or 105

[latent obsidian]

but I think if you miss a pellet then you'd need to reload

[hearty aspen]

now? i think it 19x5?

[latent obsidian]

95 p sure

because it no longer one shots strikers

[dry pumice]

And how much HP a BBC has? 120, 150?

[hearty aspen]

and it a 15/mag so

[latent obsidian]

120 if you can 4 shot it with a choke mod

[dry pumice]

Right

Hmmm

[hearty aspen]

can 2-3 shot with choke if back?

[latent obsidian]

2 shot with perfect multi

[dry pumice]

So either:

1. Single flawless burst of BC then finish with main
2. Mag dump a choker, but if even a single pellet misses - switch to main

[hearty aspen]

iirc i managed to double kill with a single mag from the back

i miss the 20bullet/mag burst man

[weary mesa]

Use a booster

[arctic marten]

bc still has 20 bullets in a mag tho

[hearty aspen]

wait is it? havent used it again after i heard they nerfed it

someone told me it 15/mag lol

[weary mesa]

Nah they lying lmao

[hearty aspen]

god darn it

i've been played for a fool

i thought if it 15/mag with only 19dmg/bullet i would better off bringing choke instead

so havent touched it again since

[dry pumice]

Thr biggest nerf was the recoil

High chance you'll probably miss the 5th bullet anyway

[hearty aspen]

was it that bad?

[dry pumice]

It's pretty bad yeah

I'm definetely not touching it again

[hearty aspen]

so it got super gutted on most aspect

[dry pumice]

Pretty much, average players don't use it anymore

[hearty aspen]

the reign of bc is over

[dry pumice]

Only masochists or just S tier players

If you need giant droppers just bring choker. Way less maintance.

[hearty aspen]

or those who was cluecless about the nerf

[ocean spindle]

like me cause 95 its still perfectly ok for dmg

and u can still use it againts smols w/o much problem

with a good burst u can take two kills, which like isnt amazin but u only really got more kills if u really was able to control it

which means u probs will b able to take the two kills now

and the recoil it is pretty funky but if u can also kinda see how it works, the range hasnt changed so u can still use it like that

[tardy ingot]

No the biggest nerf was the -1 dmg

The recoil was the unneeded nerf that makes it shitty to play ontop of being not insanely good anymore

[tardy ingot]

Pre nerf bc was a laser lol

[ocean spindle]

ik skdmk but well i think it had 15 m of range which like
medium
u could probs use it from there question mark

[soft crater]

More recoil shenanigans?

[arctic marten]

the recoil was absolutely the biggest nerf

[soft crater]

[civic breach]

is there any sort of Class customisation capability without getting into a match ?

or anything class/loadout related in any shape or form ?

[jagged shore]

your weapon/tool choices

[dry pumice]

What

Oh

Yes, there are loadouts

[civic breach]

Ah okay, sorry completely new, only done tutorial thats it :/

[dry pumice]

You pick main and special weapons, tactical tool and a melee

Tutorial doesn't have that and drops you in with basic bitches

[civic breach]

Gotcha

[dry pumice]

Main - low focused damage, usually quick reloads, meant as a spam weapon.
Special - your actual main weapon that does all the heavy lifting. Reloads for ages, ammo burns quickly.
Melee - depends on your taste, but hammer is the only correct choice right now, every time. It's just too versatile.

[civic breach]

Gotcha, Thanks for the info-dump 😄

[ocean spindle]

meanwhile me with a bat

haha bonk

[civic breach]

lmao

[jagged shore]

me who usually runs hammer but will pick knife whenever i know it should be fine to: i miss stabby stabby :(

[azure fable]

why cant i find other players when i search for players?

[jagged shore]

you using matchmaking?

[azure fable]

ye

[jagged shore]

that's why

everyone uses lfgs in this server

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[azure fable]

ahhhh thanks

[ocean spindle]

just some advicee
be sure to do the tutorial first [Training], start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one, ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[soft crater]

Good luck finding someone who won't carry

[ocean spindle]

if u find someone
report em to mod contact ahre

[soft crater]

[tranquil arch]

Unfortunately some players aren't gonna try to strike a balance between teaching and just hard carrying.

We need more active newbies...

[trail flower]

Im actually a big newbie and I'm trying to understand what is this game about

And try to find some teams that would accept a newbie (my primary language is french but I do well in English sometimes)

[solemn flint]

the only thing i can say about is game is if you choose to buy it, welcome to hell mate

do the training first so you can get a grip at the game, go to lfg beginner to look for a group, ask them to not carry you and if possible teach you how to play the game

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[solemn flint]

after that, play 1 game with the pros in order to change your perspective about the gameplay

[soft crater]

experience can vary depending on the "Pro"

some are extremely based

[mossy aurora]

who are the pro players?

[trail flower]

Yeah I joined a nice team and tbh, hell is nicer than I thought

[cold quarry]

don't do that

[solemn flint]

fast mode in gtfo

[solemn flint]

why not?

knowing how much you can push is a good thing

[cold quarry]

feel like it usually means overexplain things and ruin the 'magic' / horror of being new at the game IMO

[solemn flint]

its just ruined the horror side of gtfo

[cold quarry]

Like taking a newbie to R1C2 and going "Okay so this level has a new enemy, you're gonna want to hit them in the back" VS letting them have their "What the fuck is that" moment going into the nest room

[past mesa]

true

the new player stuff is very very good

[cold quarry]

Ive gotten a bunch of my friends to get this game and I make sure to explain borderline nothing

[past mesa]

after 100 hours and your first d clear

[cold quarry]

being new at this game is the best part

[past mesa]

you can go crazy

[cold quarry]

plenty of time to be an experienced player trying late levels over and over but you only get that fresh horror experience once

[soft crater]

Play with other newbies

[ionic galleon]

Will Cfoaming enemies make noise

Cfoaming in general

[upper ginkgo]

no!

[cold quarry]

even a direct hit doesn't set them off. They just break free and go about their day

[tardy ingot]

If you hit them while they are cfoamed and they unfoam, then they are awake and will hit/run/scream

[cold quarry]

i meant a direct hit from a cfoam blob

[tardy ingot]

ah

[mild arch]

Guys, who knows what is the purpose of voice channels titled as names of enemies and other stuff??

[fierce walrus]

I think they are just voice channels with diffrent amounts of max people. So if you want to duo/trio

but i don’t reay know

[dry pumice]

Yeah pretty much that.

[hidden ridge]

I refuse to teach something unless I'm the only vet in the chat

For a lot of reasons I ain't going to elaborate

Mayhaps other people have my same qualm

[tranquil arch]

I get that

I don't feel qualified to teach new people because I am only alright at this game and it also just feels...impossible? Like, everything is too great an info dump and you need to run with that group for hours over multiple missions.

for anything to be digested

you can't really teach much just passing by that will actually help

[hidden ridge]

Well I'd say that depends on the info, really

[tranquil arch]

beyond the basics I mean

like range of sleeper awareness and variation in their states

[hidden ridge]

Once I "taught" a group of 3 newbies that they could just keep foaming a door while the other guys scanned and one of them said "We'd never think about something like that"

[tranquil arch]

I think most people can learn simple things like what wakes, when to stop moving, how to place mines, how to re-foam a door

right

I think a lot of newbies don't think of re-foaming

but it's immediately understandable once pointed out

[hidden ridge]

Yes, indeed. Basically there's info that makes a lot of difference and it's easy to digest

[tranquil arch]

Another big factor I feel is language barrier

Since I am australian timezone, playing 5-10pm or so my time I see a lot of people from asian regions or sometimes euro regions

and it's harder to communicate with them at times

[latent obsidian]

The one time I tried to bring up a new player I just duo a1 with them and make them use terminals and clear stealth

And then can explain alarms

[dry pumice]

Enemies spawn 2 rooms away, stealth works on "green light, red light" basis, thats about everything you probably should point out.

[tranquil arch]

pointing out the 2 spawn rule can be undercutting though

since it doesn't work that way under certain conditions

like terminal code alarms, uplinks, they don't use that rule

[dry pumice]

very arbitrary ones, when devs want to fuck you

That's a whole other shtick

[hidden ridge]

Uplinks do but it's zone-limited

For uplinks it's 2 rooms away unless not possible which becomes 1 room away

must be same zone as terminal

[tranquil arch]

that's what I mean

and beyond the fact uplinks operate differently than standard alarms

where it spawns on a set timer as opposed to when half a wave or full wave dies

[dry pumice]

Even I didn't know that

[tranquil arch]

nuance is important

[dry pumice]

Enemy spawn, I shoot enemy

[tranquil arch]

but you also can't explain all the nuance at once

but you also can't assign a permanent teacher to a constant group in this game

[dry pumice]

At some point it reaches nerd / sweaty tryhard threshold for me

[tranquil arch]

27 seconds after half the wave is dead a new wave will spawn on standard alarms

once full wave dies, new wave basically instantly spawns

about 4-5 seconds

and since leftover mobs from old waves can bleed into the new wave you can't perfectly track it to abuse it so

[hidden ridge]

You sure? I always believed it to be just a queue system and the game only spawns if X slots are empty

[tranquil arch]

it's a thing, we had a whole discussion here at some point with ray about it

and several others

don't quote me on the seconds though, just what I remember

it may still spawn till wave cap first before that takes effect

I need to find the old conversation

sorry, was a conversation with alpha, not ray

#gtfo-related-questions message

i think that links to the discussion at the time?