What gun?
#gtfo-related-questions
minor fractal
turbid horizon
What gun
solemn flint
hel rev
ocean spindle
gun
turbid horizon
No
river dove
is r3 difficult? we might want to try that one
solemn flint
the reload cancel feel faster than before
solemn flint
was i not play this game for too long
minor fractal
is r3 difficult? we might want to try that one
R1-R3 are easier than R4 and R7.
ocean spindle
is r3 difficult? we might want to try that one
r3 is easier than r2, the only challenges are like c1 and d1 and those are kinda on par with r2c and d tier
so its a nice
place to go
minor fractal
R1 and R2 have easier levels than R3, but R3 doesn't get as hard as R2.
river dove
alright thankypu!
minor fractal
Generally,
-It's easiest to learn the game on R7 down to B1, R1 down to C1, and R2 down to B4.
-A step up from there includes the rest of R1, R2 down to C2, R3 down to C1, and R7 down to C1 (Main only), R7C1 arguably being the hardest expedition here.
-Everything else tends to have either a much higher complexity or is leaning into being fairly hardcore content.
turbid horizon
Ray are you gonna recommend R6 to learn when it comes out?
minor fractal
Although a step up could definitely include some of R4, I'd just need to think about what I'd include.
turbid horizon
I probably will
minor fractal
Ray are you gonna recommend R6 to learn when it comes out?
R6A1 -> R6B1 I think is the best intro to the game.
river dove
we have completed r1 fully. didn't feel too difficult, but we're now stuck at a lot of other levels in the c tier
turbid horizon
Yeah, hope the scout intro in B1 gets a little more love
minor fractal
I wouldn't recommend much else from there, though. I just think R6 has a better two level intro than R7 does.
turbid horizon
But other than that, yeah I agree that R6 streamlined learning in those first few levels well
minor fractal
Especially if you want a presentation-focused hook.
turbid horizon
Yeah
I hope they move the lore scans to terminals
Other than the one in the MWP Platform room
That one fits
minor fractal
we have completed r1 fully. didn't feel too difficult, but we're now stuck at a ...
How far into R2, R3, and R4 are you?
I'm gathering R3 isn't started?
minor fractal
I hope they move the lore scans to terminals
But the extra 10-15 seconds spent on team scans was an essential component of the level design 
turbid horizon
mmmm sure
Actually reminded me that I think the extract door scan on R4C1 is accidentally a lore scan
It’s definitely longer than a regular team scan
river dove
r7c1 and r7b3 tried and failed, r4 not attempted, r3 never failed but aren't that far yet, r2d1 and r2c2 died multiple times
turbid horizon
And it’s blue
minor fractal
The extraction wave of CX would be way less challenging if Schaeffer were no longer screaming FUCK FUCK FUCK STUPID FUCK in your ear.
turbid horizon
mmm you assume I did CX with an extraction wave
Never beat secondary lol
I mean R7’s at least didn’t make you listen
minor fractal
r7c1 and r7b3 tried and failed, r4 not attempted, r3 never failed but aren't tha...
If you're not doing PE, R4 definitely has some accessible content down to at least B3, but that will depend on your goals.
It sounds like you're actually pretty far along already, you just have to be able to pass harder content.
minor fractal
I mean R7’s at least didn’t make you listen
That iterative development coming through.
turbid horizon
Yeah even R6 EXT didn’t have lore scans come to think of it
As much as I hated most of BX, it didn’t have any lore scans
minor fractal
I think extension was still p bad tbh, but it at least made some decent minor improvements.
Less overabundant ammo, less stopping your progress for audio.
turbid horizon
I think extension was still p bad tbh, but it at least made some decent minor im...
Pretty bad on lore or as a whole?
minor fractal
Both.
minor fractal
Like, there were some p good things in extension...
But it was paired with a lot of meh or bad.
turbid horizon
Yeah I think a lot of perspectives of R6 in general are kinda marred from sniper melee
ik it had flaws obviously
But I do feel like level design really popped off in R6
minor fractal
It sounds like you're actually pretty far along already, you just have to be abl...
To finish this point quickly, there's not really a way forward besides looking to improve at the game, especially if particular mechanics or scenarios are the reasons you're getting stuck.
Other than making progress in R3, I wouldn't really jump around for the sake of finding easier content (despite R4 having material), I'd recommend jumping around for variety instead.
If you need to take time to practice something rather than make progress directly, that can also be a good idea.
It can be somewhat hard to improve at the game if it's not an explicit goal, but that is your best shot at beating harder levels consistently.
Probably try to focus on the levels you find the most fun/least tedious as well, as that should make it easier to progress first and then take those skills into the less interesting content.
minor fractal
Yeah I think a lot of perspectives of R6 in general are kinda marred from sniper...
That too, but I think my main issues with R6's extension are that:
-The lore-related audio is still intrusive (and somewhat out of place), despite it not gating your progress.
-There is a lack of harder content, the best levels/objectives being BX and CX Main.
DX was kind of lame and not very interesting until the very final section.
CX Secondary was a joke.
turbid horizon
Yeah, it’s unfortunate that the easier rundown got an easier lore extension
As much as R7 was cool, I don’t think it was as well designed as R6, despite being harder
minor fractal
I think I might hard disagree there.
I feel like R7 has some of the highest quality content for the game ever.
turbid horizon
I guess I’m suffering from the same thing I just mentioned 
Bugs kind of ruined my experiences on a lot of levels in R7
B2, B1, C2 in general just felt very drawn out and long, with no real reason for being so long (B2 especially)
C1 was harrowing for several reasons, our first clear we used one checkpoint, our second attempt we got terrible RNG in the last zone spawns and spent 3 hours trying the Z scan
C3 we haven’t touched since like 2 weeks of bug ridden attempts
D1 is D1, and E1 is rough because we usually run a bot
D2 and B3 were my highlights of the rundown
Unfortunately it just didn’t feel very good to play, whereas R6 felt fun and rewarding to do, even when we struggled, R7 just felt painfully annoying and tedious
minor fractal
It might just be my preference for harder content, but it felt like every PE was good shit this rundown, my least favorite being B3 for sure.
turbid horizon
Funny, B3 was probably my second favorite, very close to C2. As much as C3PE is cool for us in theory, C3 just turned into “fuck up once? Kite or die”
minor fractal
I think our most mediocre experiences were on D2 and E1 for sure, and E1 was partly just getting stuck for a while rather than the level not being engaging enough (although that was also a problem).
And D2 and E1 have both improved over time w/ repeat attempts imo.
turbid horizon
D2 is the one level I will always be happy to come back to
That and most of R6
E1, still haven’t beaten
Would LOVE to go back to D1 if it didn’t set my laptop on fire
minor fractal
It's a big level, with a lot going on.
turbid horizon
Mmmm
minor fractal
Tbh D1 has actually gotten better over time, too.
For completely different reasons.
turbid horizon
C2 was my most favorite until bot heavy bug
minor fractal
There's a certain magic to it.
turbid horizon
Yeah R6/7D1 are some of my favorites for the fact that they provide you with options for the same layer
Same with D2 to a lesser extent
craggy trellis
step 1. finish extraction scan. done
turbid horizon
I like the pick and choose for the split zones in D2, and R7D1 is just great for a choose your own adventure
Just wish GTFO was less buggy rn
winged turtle
step 1. finish extraction scan. done
step 1: do the prerequisites
step 2: do the thing
step 3: do the postrequisites
turbid horizon
Bot heavy carry bugs have ruined a lot of my motivation to play bc I liked just chilling with bots
minor fractal
Bugs are definitely GTFO's biggest issue since R6.
turbid horizon
Yeah, it’s funny because I ran into 0 bugs in R6
Come R7 I got absolutely slammed
minor fractal
It's probably a mix of improving at the game and general deterioration of R6 issues not getting resolved, and then R7 letting those issues get slightly worse while introducing new issues that aren't resolved.
turbid horizon
Yeah
minor fractal
Sniper melee's only positive point is that the worse you are at the game the less likely you are to take notice of it.
turbid horizon
Exactly
My teammates had no clue it was happening
Come R7, I’m getting licked straight through walls as host on R7D2
Not the funny wall either
minor fractal
Tbf that's just collision, sniper-melee is client only.
turbid horizon
Yeah, but we just had so much shit happen
I think the funniest incident was our second drop into R7C2 when we found out the level was infectious
We had done it a few days prior as a test after wiping on B3 in extreme. We dropped in and there was Alpha fog instead of infection fog because of a bug from dying in Alpha on B3
Was so confusing to drop in a second time and see infection
We just got so much
Also I think scouts are desynced again from host to client because I had an incident with Loaffy this morning
It retracted tentacles and I ran towards it, it’s tentacles came back out from below it while it was standing straight, but Loaf saw it bending over
Idk if this is normal but I seem to remember this being fixed in R6
minor fractal
P sure that's just related to transitioning quickly from tentacle to retract to tentacle.
ocean spindle
dak just has all the bugs, whenever i play with him i run into some weird stuff i havent even heard of :3
turbid horizon
Yeah
minor fractal
It's probably desync-related, but it's not the same universal desync from R1-R5
turbid horizon
😔
ocean spindle
ur cursed
turbid horizon
Ah ok cool
ocean spindle
:>
turbid horizon
glad to know it’s normal
At least it isn’t the other thing that happened in GTFO this morning
minor fractal
The old desync was that scouts behaved completely differently host vs. client.
turbid horizon
Fucking Hackett got stuck in a wall with a cell and wouldn’t move until we told him to drop it
minor fractal
And scouts bending forward would very frequently not make it across a P2P connection.
turbid horizon
Ah is that why the bend was pretty much removed?
minor fractal
Yeah, although btw I think that was more a mechanical change than a desync fix.
Maybe it really was a bug...
turbid horizon
Mmm
minor fractal
But scouts starting upright and crouching when retracting seems more like a rework.
turbid horizon
Yeah
minor fractal
I feel endlessly validated by some ancient thread from early R7 where a duo was talking about being stuck on R7D2...
They organically came across sniper melee, since their defending person was client.
turbid horizon
Oof
minor fractal
Transitioning from not knowing about it at all to very clearly sensing something was up, simply because R7D2 has a very high demand of combat skill.
turbid horizon
yeah I forget how my crew noticed it
Oh right
I joined the modding server and saw that stupid sticker and asked what the hell sniper melee meant
minor fractal
Innocence ruined.
hearty aspen
i do wonder why they make the ammo on sg sentry so low
i mean 60ish bullet is quite low given it effiency
could have make it like 80-100ish at least
tardy ingot
at that point its gonna be overbuffed just cuz it doesnt work well
it already gets to insanely high amount of shots with bio buffing it
storm flint
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GOD DAMN IRT
i spent TWO HOURS
setting everything up
going methodically through
getting every resource i could
just to reach the climax aaaand have my CAT decide to stand on my power button and delete it all
maybe the true enemy isnt the alien fungus MF
dry pumice
I don't understand why case designers keep button off button on top
storm flint
but the power button's design along the way
dry pumice
What was wrong with a frontal button
dry pumice
Cat proof cases, only 999$
storm flint
i even made it so my power button only puts my PC to sleep because my cat does this a looooot
but the issue is that the button is hard wired to KILL all power after being held for 3 seconds
no matter ur settings
and ofc today is the day she decided to plant her paws there
right at that moment
when it was all coming together
dry pumice
Your goal is to punch the cat in 3 seconds
storm flint
and i wasnt paying attention
storm flint
Your goal is to punch the cat in 3 seconds
i was busy fighting a swarm and doing uplinks
;-;
dry pumice
Unlucky
storm flint
fr
past mesa
i was busy fighting a swarm and doing uplinks
Do you want to play it again
storm flint
i stg its always some extremely unlucky or unforseeable thing that kills my runs
whether it is a scout like 2-3 rooms away randomly getting aggroed during a swarm, all my bots deciding to hug an angry giant to melee it, a random flood of enemies when normally it's a trickle for that scan, etc.
storm flint
Do you want to play it again
i dont even know anymore
i just feel beaten
i tried SO hard
and i was doing so well
turbid horizon
What level is it?
turbid horizon
yeah lol i don’t think I’ve got enough time unfortunately
past mesa
Lol
craggy pier
Hello chat
past mesa
Meow
turbid horizon
hey hecate
storm flint
R2C1 i think
turbid horizon
Ah
craggy pier
How goes r4
past mesa
yeah lol i don’t think I’ve got enough time unfortunately
10* min level
storm flint
imma go WHEEZE my copium in the athsma chamber that they sit in during the drop
past mesa
We got this easy
past mesa
It is a 10 min level if everything goes well
storm flint
it took me 2 hrs to get to the end area because im alone
craggy pier
dry pumice
What level again
storm flint
r2c1
turbid horizon
R2C1
past mesa
R2c1
dry pumice
Doesn't ring a bell
craggy pier
R4E1 is a 10 min level if u noclip
past mesa
R4E1 is a 10 min level if u noclip
It isn’t though reactor take at least 10 mins
storm flint
im not feelin it
craggy pier
turbid horizon
F
past mesa
im not feelin it
😭😭😭
storm flint
imma go take the L somewhere else today lol
ill be back again when i feel like more pain
💀
past mesa
You got this when ever you do
turbid horizon
yeah well after the B1 incident I'm probably not gonna play again today unless im helping someone
craggy pier
I havent played since i wiped, should i come back?
past mesa
yeah well after the B1 incident I'm probably not gonna play again today unless i...
I haven’t ever seen that
turbid horizon
yeah idk wtf happened
I think it was a really weird combo of hackett wanting to do bulkhead scan but not wanting to noclip with a cell
but it's weird bc I've seen them noclip with heavy items before
and they never get stuck
past mesa
Bots I just don’t understand
turbid horizon
they're normally fine
craggy pier
Clearly you dont have cos iq
past mesa
Clearly you dont have cos iq
Well all bots have personalities
turbid horizon
hackett just said fuck you, the cell belongs in the wall
past mesa
Haven’t you heard
craggy pier
Which is the bot that always walks through doors when u close them
turbid horizon
dauda
craggy pier
And then walks through the wall to come back
craggy pier
Mans built different
turbid horizon
bishop and hackett wil come back
dauda will run all the way around, run all the way back, and then no clip
winged turtle
R4E1 is a 10 min level if u noclip
3 mins tops
honest hemlock
any guns tearlist?
ocean spindle
any guns tearlist?
a lot but the bottom line is they r all usable they just need different scenarios n stuff
dry pumice
like 20 of them, most outdated
turbid horizon
I mean we made all the troll tierlists a couple days ago lmao
ocean spindle
i did it based on how cool they were for me sdkmdk
dry pumice
Gods: HEL Revolver, Veruta
Pantshitters: Bullpup and Precision Rifle
turbid horizon
r1c1 any good guns?
Probably want a sniper on your team, mostly stuff that you feel comfortable using
turbid horizon
Dmr quite good if you can hit head
dry pumice
Are you shit at headshots? No
honest hemlock
okay, thx
dry pumice
It doesn't even oneshot a striker with a headshot - he will need a double tap to die
It does oneshot shooters though
For C1... Are you with bots, friends, all alone?
tardy ingot
I mean we made all the troll tierlists a couple days ago lmao
Rayalot made a good one (i mean kinda biased obviously) Only reason i didnt make one myself is because his was very close to it
turbid horizon
If they’re asking ab guns they’re not true solo
tardy ingot
theres a mostly well thought out gun tierlist. But it doesnt matter THAT much
tools and how you play with what you have matters a ton
dry pumice
Anything that they can reliably hits enemies with. But that level is mostly mid-to-long range fighting.
HEL Rifle (special) is great. SInce enemies will rush towards you in a straight line - you can easily kill multiple enemies in a single shots.
HEL Gun also, for the same reason
For mains: HEL Revolver is a no brainer, otherwise something mid range like DMR, any of the assault rifles, etc
Hell, even Bullpup will work provided your teammates can cover you during your 12.000 years reload
minor fractal
I think the value of a tier list is going to depend on where you're at in the game skill-wise and how well you understand the meaning of the tierlist.
Knowing the best/worst Mains is one thing, but knowing whether Mains synergize with Specials is a totally different problem.
Same thing for Specials, but it's about knowing how the contents of a level should bias your selection.
dry pumice
"I smell chargers... Sigh, where's that HEL Rifle..."
"Oh right, i need something for CQC if i get jumped, uh... HEL Shotgun, good enough, roll out"
tranquil arch
Carbine synergizes with everything. Done. 
minor fractal
I think most people, or at least a lot of people, don't tend to think of Carbine and HEL Revo as self-sufficient Mains, though.
tardy ingot
I think most people, or at least a lot of people, don't tend to think of Carbine...
huh, why not?
past mesa
Skill issues mostly
minor fractal
huh, why not?
I just don't think that many people are thinking that hard about loadouts.
neon gust
Because at the begginin you pick you weapons base on looks and just their name
hidden ridge
Team weapon comp also matters eh
Otherwise people are gonna read "Veruta is best" and run 4 verutas or whatever
dry pumice
I mean... "Just use more gun" is a legit advice. What situation 4 verutas will be suboptimal? Maybe killing bosses, but everything else just gets perma staggered by overwhelming suppressive fire.
solemn flint
I mean... "Just use more gun" is a legit advice. What situation 4 verutas will b...
more variety
some people will think more guns=more guns
tardy ingot
I mean... "Just use more gun" is a legit advice. What situation 4 verutas will b...
the game is obviously clearable with all guns
A 4 veruta line up would have some struggles tho
- killing bosses obviously
- dealing with giants/hybrids quickly and efficiently
- any scout kill, specifically c scouts, will have to be melee only
Then again, taking 4 of an S tier gun is rarely a real issue. Hell, combat shotties stacked issue is range
dry pumice
I still remember that HEL shotgun R7C3 clear
Staggering giant chargers into irrelevance is forever burned into my mind
spark wolf
ok but what if you all bring the worst possible weapons to R6D1
will hel shotgun and scattergun be able to kill the boss
or will you actually run out of ammo
dry pumice
So like... HEL autopistol + uh... Precision Rifle?
No wait... HEL shotgun plus pump action. That'll be the worst possible condo for that level.
You'll get to the end, but uh...
spark wolf
lowest dmg
but spread matters too at this range
some guns will not be able to hit
which makes them worse
im not sure if you'll hit more than 50% with hel shotgun
tardy ingot
tbf half would still be nearly justas much as hel pp 100%
but youd probably have to wait for it to get real close 
vast meteor
what means "light gas" in a weapon?
i mean there are like "electrotermic hibrids" and "light gas" in the weapon description and i dont know what that means
hidden ridge
i mean there are like "electrotermic hibrids" and "light gas" in the weapon desc...
They penetrate
hidden ridge
Just that they penetrate
It's flair that means the hits are going to go through targets
vast meteor
and the hibrids?
dry pumice
We aren't sure ourselves. Light gas makes me think of plasma for some reason
dry pumice
It's a funny way of saying that it uses a hyper potent propellant that causes projectiles to over penetrate
hidden ridge
and the hibrids?
If you want to know the details of the "lore" aspect of it, then it's perhaps better to ask in gtfo-lore, personally I've no idea
cold quarry
I think light gas refers to the chargeup
Basically turning the weapons into a railgun
Like the hel revolver or hel autopistol has AP ammo and can go through one target, but with that charge up system shooting the round at the speed of light basically on the hel gun/rifle they can go through many more
cold quarry
Yeah they put 'light gas' there for balancing purposes
hidden ridge
Yeah they put 'light gas' there for balancing purposes
"I used to like my Guns not carbonated" untapping noise "Before I had an HEL Weapon!" -Hel Weapons, for when you need to hit more than once! Power cells not included.
vast meteor
and the hibrid one?
vast meteor
Yeah they put 'light gas' there for balancing purposes
recoil?
dry pumice
recoil?
He worded it wrong: not "balancing purposes" , but "clarity of function".
Anything that has "HEL" in its name has the target penetration properties, as in: it doesn't stop after hitting first mutant and proceeds further, potentially hitting multiple aligned targets.
As far as I know HEL properties have no particular correlation with any others stats.
Some of them require charging, some don't...
Some have bonkers recoil, some don't...
Damage varies from light scratches (HEL Autopistol) to hard punch (HEL Rifle)...
As for lore / logistics of it - ask in #gtfo-lore , I believe they had conversation about that before.
midnight tulip
revolver vs high cal?
High cal seems like a better revolver since it does more damage per shot while having same ammo capacity
hidden ridge
revolver reloads crazy fast
ocean spindle
high cal has been called low skill revo lmao
its basically a slower version, it can bodyshot strikers and headshot shooters, but revo needs headshot for both
cold quarry
High cal is much cooler. consider that
hidden ridge
I'm of the impression that revolver is more usuful against smaller enemies while hical's more aimed towards trying to do both
cold quarry
I'm of the impression that revolver is more usuful against smaller enemies while...
^ exactly this
hidden ridge
But I never trafficked too much with either
cold quarry
i like to consider high cal and shotgun as similar weapons (for some reason)
both are 'generally useful' but geared more towards smalls or bigs respectively
ocean spindle
I'm of the impression that revolver is more usuful against smaller enemies while...
no yeah revo has like 80 somethin dmg in a full mag, high cal has 150
i mean revo is ok dmg for bigs but the high cal can down one in a mag so its a bit better for that
but also for the strikers n stuff
ocean spindle
i like to consider high cal and shotgun as similar weapons (for some reason)
it is a slug shot but w/o range for some reason
thats the first thing i thought
when i saw it
cold quarry
high cal's range got me actin strange tbh
definitely wouldn't use the revolver against bigs though
you could kill them reasonably in the back but only there
high cal is real nice for that, save ammo just cap the giants one in the front, run behind and two in the back
tardy ingot
revolver vs high cal?
High cal seems like a better revolver since it does more d...
revolver gets 18.37 vs high cal 11.69 bullets per refill
This means if you have good aim revolver will easily outperform high cal vs smalls. High cal has the advantage vs bigs and scout tho.
Both kinda suck vs chargers
As said below, high cal is a low skill revolver. Its a good entry weapon since it does most things decently well and has enough ammo to shoot smalls with. Revolver has a higher peak
tardy ingot
i like to consider high cal and shotgun as similar weapons (for some reason)
its cuz pre nerf high cal was legit a slightly different choke mod stat wise and between it and pump shotty in terms of wave clear
tardy ingot
no yeah revo has like 80 somethin dmg in a full mag, high cal has 150
then again, revo can hammer through it way quicker :>
cold quarry
revolver gets 18.37 vs high cal 11.69 bullets per refill
This means if you have...
high cal isn't the worst against chargers, shoot and quickly tap with primary once or twice, but yeah not ideal
ocean spindle
then again, revo can hammer through it way quicker :>
its true but idk if emptyin all the bullets of the revo and then reloadin and then shootin again is faster than a high cal
considerin like the 2 r in the front
i forgot how slow the high cal is
i almost never use it
i should
ocean spindle
yeh it feels nice n i like the model a lot
but idk i just been more of automatics i guess
like the pr
tardy ingot
in range revo needs 9 bullets (roughly 2 seconds total realistically)
High cal will need 5. thats 2+ seconds here
Still yea high cal is prefered vs bigs lol
ocean spindle
im jokin of course
tardy ingot
high cal isn't the worst against chargers, shoot and quickly tap with primary on...
its doable, but its more noticeable when you consider that you could kill chargers with your main aswell before, resulting in more kills overall (and easier ones)
hidden ridge
I mean, in Grongus's defense it's not like you're supposed to play alone
cold quarry
as a bullpup user I cannot relate, real two-pump-chump with chargers
hidden ridge
Someone could very well just dish some rounds and finish the chargers, eh
Granted we're discussing weapons as if they exist in a void for the sake of simplicity
cold quarry
yeah that's another thing, i usually jsut tap each charger and then someone else's spray finishes them off
tardy ingot
Someone could very well just dish some rounds and finish the chargers, eh
or heavily overkill it
since why wouldnt you have someone on say hel rifle if you expect chargers
and then that guy kills a charger thats 5 hp while killing another
cold quarry
people who haven't played dthe level before?
tardy ingot
Its simialrly to shooting tank/mom bubbles with mains for dmg
if you got a sniper
why bother
that isnt rly a good defense for a gun not being bad when you would only have that scenario with a decent team thats covering with the right guns on a blind lvl
hell, a 2nd high cal shooting is already a bunch of dmg wasted
hidden ridge
I dont think the overkilling you mention would be that common to be honest
cold quarry
i'm not gonna disagree with you, cause if the general opinion is that it sucks and they buff the high cal I will certainly not complain
tardy ingot
It happens a bunch
tardy ingot
i'm not gonna disagree with you, cause if the general opinion is that it sucks a...
i mean after the last buff high cal is fine
its not good vs chargers
hidden ridge
4D chess by Grongus 😄
tardy ingot
but unironically the best all rounder vs common enemies
(this excludes chargers and bosses)
cold quarry
yeah got no crit bonus for bosses sadly
next socket
So for reactor missions (like R4D1), when the countdown ends and you are given time to put the code in, sometimes I find that enemies are still spawning. Especially on the later codes, is this intentional and how can I know when this will happen?
solemn flint
So for reactor missions (like R4D1), when the countdown ends and you are given t...
on some level it would be intentional, but normally its bc a wave was spawning before the reactor wave end and they are 2 room far away from u
better way to say it is they are late to the party by about 1 min
noble sierra
In R4D1, what can happen is the earlier wave spawn really far from where you defend and hit the cap. Thus the later wave only spawned after it have space
solemn flint
forgot spawn cap still exist too
next socket
In R4D1, what can happen is the earlier wave spawn really far from where you def...
This sounds like what's happening
Because by the time I finished clearing I legit had no time to get to the reactor to enter the code from my defensive position
solemn flint
first code?
next socket
Other times I'll end a timer, hear no scream, and then tell my bots to pick their shit up
Then 30s later a bunch of piss shid frick hybrids show up and poopy on me
(L + no sniper)
solemn flint
it sound like first code
if its the first code then probably u have choose a bad spot to defend
next socket
Nah, it was the code you enter before needing to find the key
errant dawn
does anyone know if the onyx corruption color pattern will come back/get available again?
errant dawn
?
errant dawn
I see...
noble sierra
I have a mother in proximity range to a giant in the next zone, any suggestions?
latent obsidian
If you need to kill them just blast the giant quickly then kill the mother how you usually would?
bold atlas
I have a mother in proximity range to a giant in the next zone, any suggestions?
Mine them all
tardy ingot
I have a mother in proximity range to a giant in the next zone, any suggestions?
you mean both basically hugging each other even tho they are in 2 different zones?
You could long range alert the giant by killing smth else and having him glow. That way him waking up wont wake mom
- it isnt 100% reliable (need to watch out for no other guy (or mom specifically) glowing
- he MAY step out into mom zone and scream
minor fractal
I have a mother in proximity range to a giant in the next zone, any suggestions?
Force aggro giant and 3-shot w/ teammates.
past mesa
I have a mother in proximity range to a giant in the next zone, any suggestions?
That is unfortunate tbh
Honestly just shoot the room as normal and deal with one mom up
Not that big of a deal as long as you don’t pull all 4
minor fractal
Oh, is this R4E1?
Can you even get prox aggro from gunshot wakes/
Otherwise, cause scream
noble sierra
Yes
minor fractal
Scream in A will wake giant w/out waking mom.
noble sierra
Eventually, I shot in B, alert the giant in A and also wakes up the mom
minor fractal
Interesting, guess it does cause prox aggro
noble sierra
Luckily that's the only mom wake up
minor fractal
But yeah, if you force aggro or let a scream happen, mom shouldn't wake.
to my knowledge.
minor fractal
I might have to start doing that for safety tbh.
It sounds like long-range into mom zone is actually surprisingly likely.
tardy ingot
shouldnt be if you pull room A from B unless they are in prox aggro range
minor fractal
Why wouldn't long-range be possible?
If gunshots go through all of the other aggro checks, and it works the same way as other hard alerts, then the nearest glowing enemy (within range and with LoS) will wake up for each aggro.
I think I've heard of it happening, as well, although I assumed it must have been something else at the time.
tardy ingot
you could check this by going into a level with 2 closeish rooms, wait for an enemy 2 rooms away to glow then make the enemy in the room between you and said glowing wake up by shooting (without the shot itself waking up the guy 2 rooms away obviously)
hidden ridge
Can they even spawn that close to get prox aggro? I had them spawn pretty close but still enough to pass through
Shooting near blood door only woke up the giant in that scenario
tardy ingot
they can for actual prox aggro
but what @minor fractal seems to say (correct me if im wrong) is that a glowing enemy might be able to wake up when in line of sight of an enemy woken up by gunshots
minor fractal
you could check this by going into a level with 2 closeish rooms, wait for an en...
I could, but I assume we're not in disagreement if it's caused by sprinting or something?
tardy ingot
im actually unsure how it works
minor fractal
There shouldn't be any type of aggro that can cause either prox or long-range but not the other.
tardy ingot
id test, but aint home right now
minor fractal
im actually unsure how it works
I'm trying to ask if I could instead do a forced aggro across room barrier in general.
Before going through the trouble of trying to set up and then detect the gun shot case.
tardy ingot
yea
If i get reminded/remember it myself i will check it later
solemn flint
guys, should i be suspicious about discord account that was created less than a weak ago in the server?
dry pumice
Yes? Why?
solemn flint
i saw someone who has just create an account in may 2023
solemn flint
it has some supicious smelling
dry pumice
Gotta create an account at some point, maybe GTFO was finally the game that made them do it
solemn flint
Did he message anything suspicious to you?
nope
dry pumice
Especially since its basically the only way to play it properly...
solemn flint
this world, everything smell fishy nowaday
solemn flint
Especially since its basically the only way to play it properly...
first thing pop up in my head was someone who was banned then create a new account
dry pumice
Yeah, that is a possibility.
So if you notice him putting on weird boosters or weapons that are not supposed to be there - off you go
Speaking of that...
Why the fuck is the axe not in the game
I've seen it. Some guy used it. It looks amazing. Why not in the game, huh?!
You have no excuse, devs. Just give it hammer stats, maybe i'll finally use it.
tardy ingot
i saw someone who has just create an account in may 2023
and what did they do?
theres people who have multiple alts banned (which means them joining on a new account can lead to them being banned on that)
Theres new players
Theres people who make troll accounts to avoid being banned on their main
gentle nebula
hello, can precision rifle on special weapons slot one shot the screamer?
civic wave
One day I will create alt accounts to troll
And yes, precision rifle will kill a scout with a headshot
gentle nebula
alright thanks
civic wave
Although it's advisable to get comfortable with melee killing them
gentle nebula
me and my friend usually kill them with sniper but there were 2 in same room on r1d1 we kinda fked up 😄
dry pumice
it most definetely does, but not always for some reason
i've shot a... diferrent type of scout before and it didn't die
might've had 5 HP extra or something
ocean spindle
yes that one is different but those r spoils shush :3
gentle nebula
thanks, we'll try killing them with spear in this run now
ocean spindle
good luck !!
spark wolf
but the precision rifle is a close range weapon
sorry to tell you
if the room is big you cant shoot it from the other side of the room
tardy ingot
would precision rifle do more dmg if you use it as a melee weapon?
spark wolf
its dps would be higher because you wont have to reload
tardy ingot
if the room is big you cant shoot it from the other side of the room
30 meters is decent enough id say, but ye gotta have it in mind
winged turtle
The precision rifle recoils for the damage Ray gets sent, so you need to aim for the body if you want to hit the head
spark wolf
most of the time the ones you want to shoot end up being in large rooms
so its honestly pretty common to get screwed over by it
ocean spindle
i gotta test if i could shoot a scout from the other side of the room :3
solemn flint
and what did they do?
im just thinking they are suspicious and they should be on the keep an eye on list
solemn flint
Although it's advisable to get comfortable with melee killing them
me giving advise that everyone should kill scout with hammer
5 second later i shoot the scout for safety measure
am i rlly bad at giving advise
ocean spindle
i dont work at both
soft crater
hidden ridge
5 second later i shoot the scout for safety measure
I do that if I'm desynched as fuck
Cause I've had orange hitmark but scout screamed anyway 2-3 times and no way I'm gonna get that shit again
I'm nearly sure that only happens if you've packet loss but whatever
errant dawn
is this speedrun(world record) legit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awUXJHMqrK0 they seem like really fast, even with scanning considering they are not running any boosters
ocean spindle
hehe lmao
well thats
the point of a speedrun, they replay the lvl 700 times to know exactly what to do
and they do it
:3
errant dawn
Have you taken a look at it?
ocean spindle
yes i saw it when they uploaded it if im not wrong
errant dawn
how does their pulse not even increase when constantly sprinting? And why is the scanning speed so fast? 😮
woops, I mean increase*
past star
Stamina management (sliding)
past mesa
is this speedrun(world record) legit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awUXJHMqrK...
it is legit. there is some more things going on tho*
past star
Scan speed is normal. Might look weird because latency, Eva is Germany and the others are not
ocean spindle
also when ur not in combat in the beginning u can run w/o stamina decreasing
only activates in combat or like jumpin
[activates as in goes real high]
past mesa
how does their pulse not even increase when constantly sprinting? And why is the...
IT DOES go up
you are just probs running around incorrectly
errant dawn
I'm definitely not sliding, yes. I just find it weird that he sprints for like 4 seconds, slides for barely a second, total heartrate decreases. Like what? 😮
past mesa
it doesnt decrease
errant dawn
there are moments in the video where he sprints, slides for a second and it decreases actually though
past mesa
you need to have not done a stamina action for 2.5 seconds or so to get decease
the heart rate isnt a good indactor on complete stam usage
errant dawn
3:07, watch his heart rate
past mesa
it goes up and down the colour is useful
yeah
it doesnt matter
it isnt liner
it goes up and down randomly
basicly
ocean spindle
i guess u could say there is like, benchmarks
errant dawn
he sprints, it goes from 116 to 105 😮
ocean spindle
like it goes up 100, then it just randomly moves between 100 and 120
and then if he keeps sprintin, need benchmark, 130 for example
past mesa
yeah he isnt getting faster
ocean spindle
and moves from 130 to 150 randomly
errant dawn
oh I see, like as...the heartrate progresses in stages
past mesa
oh I see, like as...the heartrate progresses in stages
but some stam rules. out of combat you have a different base line thank in combat. actions like sprinting, jumping and swinging a charged melee cost stam and reset the cooldown to start regening stam. and shoving just costs stamina.
errant dawn
I see, thanks for pointing that out to me. The video just got randomly recommended to me and it seemed so weird
past mesa
no worries there are some cool speed runs
tardy ingot
he sprints, it goes from 116 to 105 😮
The number is changing at all times basically and can be thought of as a range of the actual number (for immersion sake i guess)
the actual stamina works „seperate“ from it. Its complicated to go into, but the idea of the above is simple
tardy ingot
is this speedrun(world record) legit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awUXJHMqrK...
Well this has been a first 
tardy ingot
no worries there are some cool speed runs
Theres a lot of cool ones yea
but not much will triumph over @past star getting a semi black screen on R3D1s hardest part lol
errant dawn
semi black screen? @tardy ingot
tardy ingot
he encountered a visual bug that is quite rare
past mesa
he encountered a visual bug that is quite rare
it isnt rare for bread
dude gets it like every 5 time we play
i dont understand
tardy ingot
lol
sturdy glen
wetworks pc
violet sierra
I have a question regarding the rainstorm that occurs in the intro before the drop into garganta ingame, is that just a cinematic thing? Since every rundown there was always a storm, no change in weather? Is it a tropical storm thats always raging? A friend was thinking it was due to something at the facility keeping it storming.
solemn flint
The rain storm set the mood for the game
cold quarry
I have a question regarding the rainstorm that occurs in the intro before the dr...
just cinematic i think
although it would be funny to see a bright, beautiful sunny day before you get dropped down into hell
violet sierra
Ah perfect. thanks.
that would be true yeah. Just being its all raining. I assume its just a tropical storm raging.
fierce nebula
"tropical storm"
in the middle of a desert and blown up to hell area
hidden ridge
although it would be funny to see a bright, beautiful sunny day before you get d...
I should have a super old screenshot from open beta/alpha were the skybox glitched out and appeared as incredibly bright
cold quarry
i know it'd be so minor but itd be a nice touch to have random weather conditions before the drop
fierce nebula
when they added teleporting it was jarring it was always sunny whenever we teleported
but whenever we drop it just happens to be during intense rain
maybe weather effects would be too demanding on systems but it's not like it's stopped 10C before
violet sierra
"tropical storm"
>in the middle of a desert and blown up to hell area
Wasnt garganta build in Chicxulub crater so its near the mexican gulf?
solemn flint
although it would be funny to see a bright, beautiful sunny day before you get d...
Nah
Sunny day will make the game not scary
Rainy day= shit will go wrong
dry pumice
when they added teleporting it was jarring it was always sunny whenever we telep...
To be fair: we are teleporting to a different planet that was completely ravaged by sleeper infestation, so it always being a desert makes some sort of sense (we even had night ops in there).
As for the storm during drop... Well first of all: Garganta is standing in an ocean. They dug a hole into the ocean to build that thing, so water is in close proximity always.
And two: if we were to really wiggles this out - we could assume the opposite. Maybe we are specifically deployed only during storms? Maybe the weather has an effect on the sleepers, makes them more docile for one reason or another? That could be something interesting to explore.
But yeah, i wouldn't mind randomised drop weather either. Change skybox, remove rain, is it that hard?
ocean spindle
"tropical storm"
>in the middle of a desert and blown up to hell area
is it a dessert
i mean it was in yucatán and yucatans weather it's a bit hot cause it's a beach but at the same time it's in a very green area
or is it just cause future is dessert always
solemn flint
To be fair: we are teleporting to a different planet that was completely ravaged...
i still think that the rain set the mood for gtfo
gtfo is suppose to be a horror gun blazing game, so setting the mood is really important
and also, the first thing you think about rain is that:hmm, its gonna go bad isnt it
with a sunny day it would be like its another normal day with things going great
simple bobcat
How are weakspot hits handled with burst fire weapons? Can for example a Striker head pop on the first bullet of a burst and have the others miss or will they in the same burst be able to hit it for a short time but further bursts will not?
solemn flint
the recoil burst isnt that high to be honest
the only burst that is so stupid is burst cannon
aim for the head and u should hit all the shot with a little bit of recoil control
civic wave
How are weakspot hits handled with burst fire weapons? Can for example a Striker...
The answer is both, depending if you're client or host
For host the head will instantly pop and disappear
For client the head will linger for a bit longer so more bullets can hit it
simple bobcat
The answer is both, depending if you're client or host
For host the head will i...
Alright, thank you.
bronze knot
So is Class IV harder or easier than lets say Class I alarm ?
ocean spindle
harder :3
ocean spindle
so the classes are tied to the number of scans- well yeah but
longer is harder????? maybe??
bronze knot
oh I see.. Whats the biggest one? V or even higher than that ?
ocean spindle
but yeah is tied to the number of like scans
tardy ingot
X
bronze knot
okay so in context of 1-10 I guess 4 is not that bad :D
ocean spindle
i mean
turbid horizon
Wasn’t og R2B1 higher than 10?
turbid horizon
I mean og prenerf
turbid horizon
Huh
ocean spindle
pretty sure
bronze knot
as u can see in media channel.. I am preparing for that IV alarm with my bots :D
bronze knot
Well I don't know where they come from
My first run
people abandoned me so now with bots
ocean spindle
yeh its oki, good luck on it >:3
ocean spindle
yes thats how it usually goes the first time :3
i didnt wanted to say it cause spoils but in the scale of I to X yeah a class IV its still somethin to like behold skdmkm
class II or I u can smoke it but from a class IV upwards it gets funky specially with a bad position
like that door :D
that cost me some attempts to do ksdmk
bronze knot
What ksdmk means?
bronze knot
I see
solemn flint
So is **Class IV** harder or easier than lets say **Class I** alarm ?
class 4 mean 4 set of scan
like eva said, its just longer
u can translate longer to more wave of enemy coming in->more ammo consume->more chance to get hit
bronze knot
Yeah I experienced that just now :D Died.. if I go back in from Lobby.. the enemies are all back right ?
bronze knot
Okay maybe I should find someone for it then
bronze knot
There was this creepy tentacle thing.. didn't know how to kill it .. :D
solemn flint
scout
bronze knot
yeah that thing
solemn flint
basic way to kill a scout: hammer bonk to the head
solemn flint
dumb way: shoot the scout with enough damage(not recommended)
bronze knot
I had this.. bat.. anyways.. it screamed and others came and party started
solemn flint
or u shoot it with a big gun like a shotgun or somethin
no
ocean spindle
why not
solemn flint
the bat.........
bat suck
bronze knot
Taking this Spear now
solemn flint
hammer better
ocean spindle
skill issue
bronze knot
I think it was bat issue
ocean spindle
no >:c
latent obsidian
🤭
ocean spindle
bat is cool and ill die on this hill
solemn flint
I think it was bat issue
i hate bat, but no its a skill issue
latent obsidian
Dvx do you want a hand with that level or want to try again with your bots?
solemn flint
bat and knife can only 1 shot scout behind the head
solemn flint
yall just haters
i hate bat
ocean spindle
bat and knife can only 1 shot scout behind the head
yes, u just gotta be too skilled for that
thats why i use it
bronze knot
Dvx do you want a hand with that level or want to try again with your bots?
I am preparing this.. thing.. to look for people.. so u can help :D
ocean spindle
oh u gonna go into the lfg :3
just some advice!
ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
bronze knot
okay prepared! Thanks!
topaz anvil
yall just haters
Yes, bat sucks
ocean spindle
skill - issue
topaz anvil
I don't encounter skill issues, i have hardware issues
fierce nebula
is it a dessert
i mean it was in yucatán and yucatans weather it's a bit hot ca...
I think Artek is right
it's another planet that is mostly desert
bronze knot
So what happened with Rundowns R5 and R6 ?
Why they go from R4 into R7 and skippping R5 and R6?
latent obsidian
The rundowns used to be like seasons, when the next one released the previous became unavailable.
After rundown 7 they started releasing remastered versions starting from rundown 1, so rundown 5 will be re-released next, then R6, then they will do R8 which will be new to everyone
bronze knot
oh I see.. long time ago I remember I read about take part of [RX] before it's gone thing.. so that's why.. :D Thanks!
zealous ravine
Trying to do R4B1, says there's only 1 bulkhead key and its behind the bulkhead door. Anyone know what i should do?
minor fractal
Trying to do R4B1, says there's only 1 bulkhead key and its behind the bulkhead ...
Have you used a bulkhead key already?
minor fractal
Might be bugged or it's a double ID.
If it's a double ID, try LIST KEY ZONE_51
Or whatever the spawn zone's number is.
If nothing shows, probably just reset.
zealous ravine
nothing showed in any zones :(
minor fractal
It's bugged, then, probably reset.
zealous ravine
yeah
minor fractal
Try w/out zone
zealous ravine
now i also have black key in zone 224, Bulkhead key still says its in 227
minor fractal
K, bugged.
turbid horizon
bRUh
zealous ravine
been looking for it for like 20 minutes too
minor fractal
my friend had it apparently
Should be displayed in top left for future reference.
Under everything else up there.
zealous ravine
it was
i swear i looked there several times
somehow never saw it
sorry about that
sacred dew
somehow never saw it
it's harder to read it when you run
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reactor test ends
another entire wave shows up
I hate reactor missions
Why does this happen
What am I doing
latent obsidian
If you don't kill the waves quickly enough they will finish arriving after the reactor timer finishes
Its really annoying
tardy ingot
some levels give you late spawns for sure
but generally it depends on where you hold and how fast you kill
minor fractal
They literally have to get to me
If you are doing solo-friendly strats, you just have to get codes faster.
Even solo in OG in the dumb af spot in spawn, you had enough time to blast through and get code+resources.
As a solo.
W/ mega backed up waves
hidden ridge
Bots DO count towards spawnpushing stuff right? Anyway remember that if you're even one foot after a sec door the moment the wave is about to spawn, it counts as being in that zone, thus pushing the spawn location further back
next socket
If you don't kill the waves quickly enough they will finish arriving after the r...
I don't get it
I finished a wave, nothing spawn, no cry, no anything
2 MINUTES LATER
A wave shows up??
I don't get it
Reactor missions suck and there's nothing you can do that will change my mind lmao
That giant woke the entire fucking zone btw, which wiped me
next socket
You failed the verification sequence the first time
Huh? That doesn't explain the wave spawning
tardy ingot
giant slow
When you are very far away enemy pathing borks
The giant most likely was already spawned
you can easily tell when stuff is still alive btw
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The giant most likely was already spawned
How come it didn't get bio-tracked
dry pumice
Is that an SMG user? In 2023? God, I completely forgot how that gun looks and sounds like - I had to read the name to make sure it wasn't some modded gun.
past mesa
Hybrid spawns late on wave 4 but it is sleepers getting stuck
latent obsidian
Reactor missions suck and there's nothing you can do that will change my mind lm...
Weirdly I didn't have this problem on R2D2 but I did have it on R4D1 and I never found an amazing solution for it, so yeah I share your frustration
tardy ingot
How come it didn't get bio-tracked
the things spawn quite far out
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the things spawn quite far out
All the other waves get bio-tracked immediately
so idk /shrug
tardy ingot
check stamina, its not 100% reliable but definetly helps
past mesa
You don’t get a stam reset
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Is that an SMG user? In 2023? God, I completely forgot how that gun looks and so...
I just wanted to try it out, I've been using semi auto stuff for a while, I didn't like it tbh
past mesa
Or even music turn off
dry pumice
Oh yeah, stamina is an amazing situational awareness check.
tardy ingot
also running away the moment the wave timer is over is def not gonna work on waves that have back spawns
cuz back spawns WILL take ages to reach you
and that pushed other spawns back
which means the whole wave takes longer
next socket
also running away the moment the wave timer is over is def not gonna work on wav...
I ran because I didn't hear a wave spawn
dry pumice
Quite spawns. They're a thing. No idea what causes them.
Listen to your character dialogue, it's the only way to be sure.
tardy ingot
I ran because I didn't hear a wave spawn
- you dont always hear a wave spawn (either cuz silent spawns or its a delayed spawn of the last roar)
- just cuz theres no roar, doesnt mean theres no enemy
next socket
1. you dont always hear a wave spawn (either cuz silent spawns or its a delayed ...
If I stick around to wait until enemies show up I won't have enough time to go get the code
dry pumice
Yep, such is life.
next socket
I had already ran out of time in the previous one (which is why I only have ~3m) because I had to clear a wave that spawned late
dry pumice
This is where having a team helps since a guy or two can cover your flanks and deal with Inproper spawns.
tardy ingot
- risk them coming at you, usually its not much so who cared
- you can push INTO them
next socket
How hard is R7C2 
with humans? It was basically impossible for me solo without cheese tactics (boring asf)
minor fractal
Not that hard w/ an experienced group, and it's fairly carryable.
tardy ingot
its just kinda boring if you have a group that doesnt have confidence (but plays the safe route)
minor fractal
Play c-foam, solo every charger scout, bring cell out ASAP when you reach second zone.
ocean spindle
just play w/o any bots nor humans
minor fractal
I ran because I didn't hear a wave spawn
Where are you holding, btw?
tardy ingot
Btw @minor fractal
Quick check to reconfirm
- body blocking line of sight. From my knowledge its impossible right? (Leads to 2)
- enemies only have a chance to wake up when they glow and you hit another enemy from what i remember
- is there a difference (magical theory wise) for where an enemy looks in their detection range?
tardy ingot
so every level is boring if confidence isn't a factor of your group
eh
R7C2 just drags if you gotta solo a lot
spark wolf
NO DATAMINING
tardy ingot
@spark wolf
minor fractal
Btw <@111990475744944128>
Quick check to reconfirm
1. body blocking line of si...
Doesn't do anything.
Yes.
No, but enemy positions aren't always as they appear.
tardy ingot
i just gotta convince someone about those things
they have the missconception that body blocking works
minor fractal
It's just RNG, it has no effect on forced aggro and such.
next socket
Where are you holding, btw?
I'd move up, but I can't make it to that room before they spawn
minor fractal
Hard to say, then.
next socket
just play w/o any bots nor humans
Idk if R7C2 is possible to solo without cheese
And I hate cheese, very boring
minor fractal
You may want to run into late spawns, since they're usually just 2-3 enemies.
tardy ingot
Idk if R7C2 is possible to solo without cheese
didnt someone do it without already?
minor fractal
It's also possible, based on loadout, that you're not clearing the waves fast enough, but I'm just speculating there.
minor fractal
You gotta kite giants
W/ bots? For sure not.
They don't even take infection, super easy.
next socket
They don't even take infection, super easy.
They don't carry objective item
After the first one, there is an error alarm
So the bots will not carry the battery
minor fractal
That only matters on second, and you can just do it yourself.
tardy ingot
lol with bots you just shoot through
minor fractal
Also, if you're going to play Sniper, you might as well shoot any giant-heavy room (w/out scouts).
On R2D2
You have to go back through the South area anyway, and it's one of your best resource zones.
next socket
Also, if you're going to play Sniper, you might as well shoot any giant-heavy ro...
Usually not necessary if you do a full bonk to the occiput of a giant
Bots will each hit once and it will kill
minor fractal
Usually not necessary if you do a full bonk to the occiput of a giant
Takes too long.
Trust me.
spark wolf
did they ever remove the shadows after accidently changing it with alt
minor fractal
did they ever remove the shadows after accidently changing it with alt
Yeah, they gone.
spark wolf
OH SHIT
turbid horizon
Uhhhhh maybe?
minor fractal
Swing and run
If you say so, but you're also the one saying you're running out of time on that code and also rooms pulling inadvertently is killing you.
turbid horizon
I haven’t seen that in so long
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If you say so, but you're also the one saying you're running out of time on that...
Those two things are unrelated..
turbid horizon
Where would he get the giants?
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I had run out of time before getting to the southern room
tardy ingot
Where would he get the giants?
thats my thought as well
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That's even worse, you have like 11 minutes to do that.
tardy ingot
the most giants are for last sequence, but thats not a cap
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That's even worse, you have like 11 minutes to do that.
Like I said I got fucked over by a late spawn
tardy ingot
and it also is stupid to do there
minor fractal
HOW!?
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Also, again, late spawns on wave 4...
Just go into spawn and kill them manually.
Maybe AltR4 introduced a pathing bug?
But this doesn't seem to be a problem in AltR3.
turbid horizon
Maybe AltR4 introduced a pathing bug?
Honestly I’d believe it
I’ve seen so much jank pathing since R4 dropped
My modded levels were misbehaving too
tardy ingot
Maybe AltR4 introduced a pathing bug?
has been a thing ive noticed heavily since alt r1
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My modded levels were misbehaving too
banned
tardy ingot
r1b2 being a super super bad offender
turbid horizon
hmmmm
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I feel like I've done post-AltR4 pubs w/out this issue, though.
You sometimes get late spawns...
But you just deal w/ them.
tardy ingot
it doesnt always happen
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Even if the combat state ends early and restarts, you turn around as soon as it restarts and kill w/e is awake.
AND AGAIN
Just go faster
None of this matters if you go faster
spark wolf
since the first alt release some enemies get stuck as soon as they spawn
tardy ingot
gotta go fast
spark wolf
and then they fix once you get close enough
tardy ingot
on nothing
which is the stupid thing
like, i understand them spawning on a box
and being like ???
but standing in the middle of a room
Cmon
spark wolf
like thats why on R1A1 you can clear the alarm go grab the key and then on your way to the key door the stuck dude fixes and comes for you
the actual stuck spots are funny too
cuz you can get them on like E1 with the tank aswell
just get a free tank skip cuz he spawned in a stuck spot
weary mesa
inb4 it's because we have levels in the same place as others
spark wolf
you could probably figure out an optimal room to stand in to have the highest chance of getting the tank to spawn in a stuck spot
minor fractal
just get a free tank skip cuz he spawned in a stuck spot
Permanent combat after he spawned in scaffold w/ the ladder up in 3rd zone area C.
Can't kill him in there.
weary mesa
Like R1A1 affects all other A1 and fuckes the pathing because they think they're on a different A1
spark wolf
hivemind
turbid horizon
Well as much of a stretch as that is, R5 would probably just destroy A1 pathing bc floodways
spark wolf
i hope they halve the size of all the zones in R5A1
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@next socket Wait, actually, what are these clips supposed to show?
Because it seems like late enemies are coming fairly promptly, you're just not clearing them very proactively.
You even clear them proactively in the second clip before code hunt, is that a considerable time loss in your mind?
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The clips posted backwards, I don't know why
Second clip shows that the wave has ended, and that there are no new enemies
Second clip is from 2 minutes later, which the enemies that late spawned should have reached me well before
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If music hasn't stopped, you should make an effort to find the enemy.
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Which means I believe those got stuck
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They will reach you faster if you go to them.
If they're not in spawn, and they don't show up South, they're probably taking their time North.
And you should just go North and kill them, then go back.
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If they're not in spawn, and they don't show up South, they're probably taking t...
South wasn't open
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Then you should just go North.
The enemy is North.
Or if you do want to ignore them, you just have to deal with them as they reach you (which may be considerably delayed).
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If I had went north and went to find them ,I would have not had enough time to find the code
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OR you just have to clear wave faster to force late spawns to happen sooner.
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Hell, even not going north in that run, I didn't get the code in time
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Well yeah, you already repeated.
tardy ingot
Hell, even not going north in that run, I didn't get the code in time
thats on you then
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Key grab was a fucking L on that playthrough
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The late spawns don't seem like they're actually the problem.
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The late spawns don't seem like they're actually the problem.
They were part of the problem
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You can say that, but I don't believe you.
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I was late to grab key because of another late spawn and then bots refused to get into scan 'cuz of it
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You can say that, but I don't believe you.
..what incentive do I have to lie here lmfao
"I don't believe you"
I don't care?
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I'm not saying you're lying.
I'm saying you wanted advice for R2D2, and I'm telling you that you're losing for reasons other than late spawns.
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I'm asking questions here to see why things are happening the way they do
It's clear to me that on code #3 and then subsequent waves on #4, there were either late spawns, or stuck spawns which fucked me over
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And it's clear to me that these late spawns are not your main problem. They're annoying, and something that's easy to point to, but there are very clearly other factors at play. I.e. taking too long, not recovering unexpected alerts well, being in a position where alerts can cause considerable time loss, etc.
I'll admit, code 4 is probably the hardest section of R2D2 w/ bots, at least imo...
But if your goal is passing code 4 consistently, then late waves probably aren't the thing you should focus on.
tardy ingot
Honestly code 6 is oof
that code will always get disgusting late spawns
and since the last late spawns are back spawns they like spawning IN the scout zone
You have way more than enoug time
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They could also be other factors at play related to back waves that are indirect, like clearing waves too slowly, running away from late spawns rather than dealing with them upfront, etc.
tardy ingot
but it still feels bad
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and since the last late spawns are back spawns they like spawning IN the scout z...
???
Your waves have to be crazy stacked
for back spawns to still occur after moving over there, doing a whole ass alarm, etc.
How the fuck are you people playing this level?
tardy ingot
when you insta pull alarm you will quite often get backspawns from the reactor if you open the door once alarm is over
its easy to avoid
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You not only have to have late waves...
tardy ingot
but yeah, its actually a big mistake to hold where the alarm is for the reactor wave if you get trickling back spawns
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Idk man I just take the L on reactor missions
tardy ingot
They also have to be blocked from spawning.
Thats what happens when you have stacked waves and then pull alarm and then insta open door
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I have beat up to every other mission solo except reactor missions + mother
(Mother solo is cringe)
tardy ingot
but code 6 late spawns on r2d2 can be mean (then again, you have like triple the time you need)
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I'm going out on a limb here and assuming you're referring to speedrun experience here, Eva.
turbid horizon
(Mother solo is cringe)
Laughs in 
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But that just shouldn't ever happen in a normal run unless something is already going horribly wrong.