gtfo-related-questions

[wise thicket]

Hm, that will be interesting during a stealth section

[winged turtle]

does getting plopped out by a snatcher make a soft alert amount of noise? Or none?

[mossy gale]

Do sleepers or other monsters in the game here hear your voice? can they detect it?

[jagged shore]

if you mean in game voice, no

[mossy gale]

yes

[ocean spindle]

not a single voice can upset em really

:b

[mossy gale]

I wish they can make it a feature

[jagged shore]

don't get your hopes up

[civic wave]

maybe someone could make a mod for it but that'd be silly to have in the base game

[mossy gale]

why silly?

[mossy gale]

also why not?

[dry pumice]

Mostly because it's useless

[jagged shore]

game's a lot about teamwork and coordination, so making the in-game form of communication make stealth coordination near impossible would be kinda lame

[dry pumice]

Everyone uses discord anyway

[civic wave]

punishing people for communicating sounds like a terrible idea

[jagged shore]

as for why don't get your hopes up, you shouldn't get your hopes up for any new features in general
game's pretty much on its last legs at this point

[ocean spindle]

communicating sounds like a terrible idea

[winged turtle]

I am expecting a new enemy or enemy type in the last Rundown, but that's it

[civic wave]

they'll just add a giant scout and be done with it

[mossy gale]

sounds like in game voice chat that alert sleepers ? if you can adjust the your own voice to not alert the sleepers?

[winged turtle]

That feature feels egregiously punishing to people still learning the game

[civic wave]

people would probably decline to use the in game communication system in such a case

god forbid they make character voicelines wake up enemies which would technically make more sense than what you're suggesting

[jagged shore]

yeahhhh
and it's not helped by the fact that the vast majority of people would get around it just by virtue of playing through discord anyway

[neon gust]

"theres a giant over there"
me with a broken mic "YO I SEE IT triggers the entire room

[hidden ridge]

I think people think that because they dont know that the more players are close to a sleeper the more it "croaks" "glows" whatever

[winged turtle]

Even when Kojima does super meta and crazy bullshit, it's for one Bossfight, and not a mechanic for the entire game

[jagged shore]

dude the mental image that gives me is great ty

[mossy gale]

this is nice 😂

[neon gust]

bass boosted

gain cranck to 11

deep fried

[civic wave]

do sleepers actually pulsate more when there are more players around? haven't heard of this before

[neon gust]

i can wake up every enemy all the way to overload my man

[hidden ridge]

I'll be honest I'm not 100% sure but it'd explain some shit I saw

[civic wave]

I guess one way to find out is to ping Eric Chapman

I've never heard of it as a mechanic and if it was a thing I'm sure I'd have heard of it

might just be that more people are close enough to agitate the sleepers by moving around

[hidden ridge]

perhaps

[mossy gale]

i think they should include that on like an advanced rundown. your idea is great

[neon gust]

its a funny gimmick

should be a turn on/off section on option

but its just novelty

was a requested feature all the way back in EA

but a lot of pushback for obvious reason

[civic wave]

10 chambers would never make that feature so leave it to a nondescript modder I guess

[neon gust]

I would rather get a little bit more content

because from r1 to r7 its just keeps introducing stuff

[dry pumice]

In the most technical of senses - they technically do, because more players around are more likely to make mistakes like flash a light, change stance, take a normal step or whatever...
If we talk passively - i've seen no evidence to that.

[mossy gale]

why do you feel punished?

[civic wave]

If we ignore the guns n stuff
R2 was uplinks, infection, spitters, hybrids, shadow giants too maybe
R3 was the missus/p-missus
R4 was optional objectives, shadow scouts, big chargers, big man tumour back
R5 had charger scouts and dual uplinks
R6 and R7 I cba to write about

so yeah fair amount of stuff added over time

oh right R5 also had the first timed mission

[winged turtle]

Because if a new player asks me a question while I am showing them the game, I am obligated to not answer them, or shush them

[civic wave]

and then more stuff like sustain scans from r4 ig

[dry pumice]

Frankly i'm not against the idea. My first instinct during my first matchmaking runs was to not talk around sleepers. Made stealth interactions a lot more nerve-wracking and atmospheric.

Finding out it doesn't work like that was kinda lame.

[mossy gale]

thank you for pointing this out @winged turtle this is a more simplified version of my question

[winged turtle]

It's a feature that is better suited for a true blue horror game, it does not suit the resource management of a survival horror game

I think your idea of a feature would be fantastic in amnesia the dark descent

[dry pumice]

Resource management?

[winged turtle]

yes

[dry pumice]

Literally find packages and staff them into your face. We can't even shaffle them around.

[winged turtle]

okay

traditional horror games are defined by the feature of "if it gets me, I will die"

survival horror is defined by "I can spend resources to kill this threat, but what if I need those resources later?"

[neon gust]

I didnt explain my point very well, i mean a rundown that just action pack

[winged turtle]

resource management

[neon gust]

with a lot going on

that just mixes everything from previous rundowns

[dry pumice]

I'm not sure i agree with those definitions. Hell, Amnesia TDD falls onto the latter definition, since it has a pretty tight resource management system of Tinderboxes and using them to light places as to not lose your sanity.

[winged turtle]

I should've been more clear. The resource is ammo and the ability to kill threats. traditional horror does not give you any resource like this, survival horror gives you a limited resource like this.

[dry pumice]

"Although combat can be part of the gameplay, the player is made to feel less in control than in typical action games through limited ammunition or weapons, health, speed, and vision, or through various obstructions of the player's interaction with the game mechanics."

[winged turtle]

okay

[mossy gale]

why are you obligated to shush or not respond to new players? i did not really understand ur intent here

[dry pumice]

Oh, there is... The "normal" horror games usually have some kind of narrative element to drive the horror extra deep. Which is something survival types don't really need, albeit its useful to them.

Kinda like our entire lore is kinda worthless and scattered around in the most inconvenient ways possible.

[winged turtle]

whats your point

[arctic marten]

you will actually be very scared and immersed if you read the chimp theory document

[dry pumice]

My point is: i'm not against making GTFO more horror as i don't see any obvious conflicts between the two.

[winged turtle]

because if we are stealthing, and they ask a question, I need to not respond, and get them to stop asking questions. because they will wake up the sleepers, because voice activity wales them up

[dry pumice]

Hell, the veterans won't even fuckin' notice - they just sprint from sleeper to sleeper with a hammer, what's voice detection gonna do to them.

[winged turtle]

And that's my problem with it, it doesn't punish vet, it punishes newbies, who are curious and need to have the basic mechanics explained to them with a sleeper that is sleeping in front of them

Choking communication is a bad incentive

Totally valid in a solo player experience, much less so in a multiplayer PVE experience

[dry pumice]

Give them the ted-talk before getting near a sleeper? We can always make the detection range very small - like 5m or something

[mossy gale]

make it in an advanced rundown when players are more experienced

[winged turtle]

I need to live this fear, what is this document? I must read it!!

[arctic marten]

that would be an almost objectively bad mecnahic

[civic wave]

Eric is right

[arctic marten]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eIkbHGhdO0AGn83IXZVq_CR7FV0M3kdtTloznD9Xa1w/edit?usp=sharing

[civic wave]

Proximity chat would be cool, punishing you for talking would not be cool

[arctic marten]

people would just circumvent it anyways

and half of them would be doing it on accident

[civic wave]

Precisely, that was mentioned before

[winged turtle]

my body is ready for the deep lore

[dry pumice]

For what its worth our characters are canonically whispering when in stealth mode and that doesn't seem to cause any problems around sleepers.

[plush imp]

Hey so
a friend of mine and me bought the game to play it
the tutorial was simple enough, but we couldnt even finish the first map
during the unlock the door onslaught of enemies we either run out of bullets or die
is the game supposed to be like this lol or did we fuck up some setting?

[dry pumice]

Yes to both.

Wait

Are you 2 alone or with bots?

[pale tapir]

you troll lol

[civic wave]

I'd be sneaking through ZONE_513 on my own to get a reactor code
Then I'd have to stop to not alert an enemy, proclaim how much I hate said enemy, and wipe the run

[pale tapir]

The game is designed around 4 people

[civic wave]

You should be OK holding it with 2 people depending on set up and experience

[pale tapir]

But you should be able to find ammo packs, and while you're stealing, try to stick to melees as much as you can

Also try to do the objective for the locked door as fast as you can otherwise it will always be infinite

[civic wave]

It sounds like either a problem with load outs/alarm preparation, or low fluency

[dry pumice]

literally close the door, do the scans as quickly as possible - its like a Class-III right? You usually get that done before sleepers break the door even without cfoam reinforcements

[arctic marten]

if you just got the game, I would recommend playing with 4 people, #lfg-beginners is a good place to start if you dont know anybody else

[mossy gale]

hahahaha good point on the range wise btw

[arctic marten]

I just fail to see how a mechanic like that could ever be implemented in even a marginally fun way

[winged turtle]

choking communication in a team game is oxymoronic

[arctic marten]

if anyone here has played the gtfo alpha and knows about the heat mechanic, I imagine this would go over similar to that

[plush imp]

oh are the bots just famously braindead?

[dry pumice]

My first counter-question would be how exactly do sleepers wake up. Is there like a bar of awareness that they fill up or is it literally just going from State A to B to C.

[winged turtle]

this game is just not like other games. If we bring in the famous and well-designed idea of Mr. X, we get Pablo. And Pablo is behated by everyone lol

It doesn't translate

[dry pumice]

50/50. They're basically walking turrets. Physically not present for stealth sections.
Anything else they're useless for - they don't even open lockers by themselves.

[arctic marten]

they aren't bad, but most people find it more enjoyable with more people.
that being said, if you are a fan of figuring things out all on your own and don't mind the punishment, taking bots for the A and B tiers would be a fine choice

[dry pumice]

I always wondered how much do you need to annoy a sleeper before it wakes up.

I take one step - it goes yellow. I take another one - it goes throb throb. I take another one - throb throb. I take another - ???

[plush imp]

ahh dang ok, thanks guys

[arctic marten]

the heat mechanic essentially woke them up if you stood too close too long if I remember correctly

it wasnt very fun

[dry pumice]

Sounds immersive as shit, but i can imagine how it was problematic. Especially when people can't quite get behind a giant at the same time, so one person is already behind him and 3 others are slowly closing in.

But the big difference here is that you have no control over that - it just happens while you do nothing. Not talking IS doing nothing.
Hm. Ideally one should come up with a system of gestures to translate information by other means - kinda like IRL stealth combatants and divers do. But that's too much work to accommodate such a mechanic.

Either way would be neat to have it an option at least. Maybe a little check button in the lobby or something.
... But still useless because everyone uses discord anyway. We'd have to make some kind of discord API integration or something.

Again: those first expeditions when i was using built-in VC and wasn't aware that it does nothing brought a whole other level of immersive play which i found to be incredibly amusing.

It wasn't the same ever again...

[arctic marten]

in theory, I can almost see this being a good idea, but in practice, its just so unfathomably wrought with problems that I can't ever see it working

sort of like the early coughing to wake up sleepers mechanic

[dry pumice]

Just don't talk near enemies, what's so wrong about that?

Or i don't know... Talk quietly. Provided we can somehow make it based on loudness.

[tardy ingot]

no communication with bio in dense rooms

yay

always gotta move away to talk about room layouts

irl you have signs you can do

ingame oof

[dry pumice]

We can always give it a generous amount of strikes. Which is back to my original question - how many steps does it take to wake a sleeper?

[arctic marten]

people getting around it using discord
background noise from people's mics triggering it
does using ingame chat count as making noise?
incoensistency with how sleepers wake up

[mossy gale]

you know, the good thing about the game also is, that when you are down one of your team members can revive you back up. you have numerous amount of times to be revived

[dry pumice]

That's provided you don't just wipe immediately. Which is also a thing, especially in harder levels. Some rooms are just not worth the risk.

[winged turtle]

Me: gameplay, immersion, tension
Pub's Roommate: KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK "bro we talked about leaving your dishes in the sink."
R7E1 pMom: births

Fuck. That. ™️

[arctic marten]

shoulda cleaned the dishes

[dry pumice]

Yeah, that's a very fair concern...

[civic wave]

literally

like, you should be cleaning your dishes within 24 hours if you don't have a dishwasher to shove them into

[dry pumice]

Although... Thats only an issue with an open mic.

[winged turtle]

And I need to check with the pubs that I play with, to make sure that they did the dishes to

[dry pumice]

The built-in game feature is push to talk i think

[arctic marten]

I mean its not like sounds can't happen while you are whispering into your mic

[neon gust]

theyre good fillers

but if you intent to play with all 3

your gonna have a bad time

[winged turtle]

even then, most DW plumbing can't handle all the stuff if you don't pre-scrub your dishes

[fierce nebula]

what if I shit in my sink sometimes

[winged turtle]

[glad grove]

does anyone have any tips for a place to set up for r2d2

https://tenor.com/view/r2d2-lego-lego-star-wars-skywalker-saga-astromech-gif-25726029

[cold quarry]

my group just did the big walkway/bridge

set up one sentry facing behind in case they get silly

[woeful jay]

The big thing that breaks this is that Mr. X can be stunned, and isn't persistently right behind you the entire game/level, even if he does do damage on par with our friend Pablo.

The way I would like to fix Pablo would be to stun him, or make him a bit slower than the regular tanks, so there's less babysitting involved.

Still remains that he'd probably still be annoying with these mechanics, depending on how he's tuned.

[winged turtle]

also i horror games you can break aggro and go back to stealth. every enemy in GTFO that is triggered knows where you are, and is on its way to kill you, always. i am agreeing with you, i just think its less about the balance of Pablo, and more the fundamental building blocks of GTFO

[jagged shore]

Rightmost (west) corner of 196a
Keep the leftmost (east) door open and close the one in the corner you're holding in, should funnel them all through that east corridor

(ty @trim rock)

[woeful jay]

Yeah, it's a neat idea, but it doesn't fit into how this games plays. Hopefully, they come up with more unique enemy types, cuz the snatchy boi works extreeeemely well in this environment.

[winged turtle]

the snatcher is perfect for this game, you have a great plan, and then someone is suddenly dramatically out of position

[turbid horizon]

I love a disruptor

[winged turtle]

is that a drg equivalent?

[turbid horizon]

nah

like an enemy that disrupts your team

general classification term

[winged turtle]

gotcha gotcha

[soft crater]

unlike GTFO. Deep Rock Galactic has it's pros and cons

Pro: it's full of bugs

Con: It's full of bugs

[turbid horizon]

cons: Leaf lovers exists

[soft crater]

We don't talk about those

loads in a fatboi shell with religious intent

[turbid horizon]

rock and stone brother

[soft crater]

they must return to Alcohalla

[rare venture]

Nuh uh not bugs, features

Drg doesn't have cons (except pointy eared leaf lovers)

[dry pumice]

Can someone remind me: is there any reason to stack mine damage against smalls, or it exclusively helps only against big ones?

[silver fable]

no

though it may be worth to mine across a door and into a door to cover a wider area, if there's a shitload of smalls behind it

[dry pumice]

I mean more so in context of boosters

[silver fable]

oh

[dry pumice]

How much damage does a mine deals anyway?

[silver fable]

don't remember the number

I think they deal the same amount of damage to any enemy caught by the mine hitbox? (edit: eva says mines have falloff, take eva's word over mine)

[solemn flint]

enough to 1 shot small

and 1 shot some charger

[latent obsidian]

A quick search suggests 50 damage which seems reasonable

[dry pumice]

so at least 30+

[silver fable]

but there was some weird host-client discrepancy where it'd insta-delete host but client would be distance dependent, I think

[ocean spindle]

think it was
50 or 60
i think 50

[tardy ingot]

isnt 60 otherwise it would 1 shot c scouts

[ocean spindle]

yes its 50

[latent obsidian]

I remember being told the damage tapers off at the far end of the red line but I've no clue if thats true or not

[tardy ingot]

@silver fable mines have fall off dmg

[ocean spindle]

i got blowned up by one and didnt die :D

[silver fable]

they do? against enemies?

[ocean spindle]

i only almost did

[tardy ingot]

should be both enemies and players yes lol

[solemn flint]

i wish i can suicide bomb scout

[latent obsidian]

fun thing I learned about mines yesterday is you can use them knock fog repellers around

[dry pumice]

So... +20% damage required to kill c-scouts... And like 100% to kill giants... Goddamn, these boosters are worthless.
Well... Less bullets to waste on giants, obviously, but still.

[silver fable]

do you remember a host-client bug on that v players, or am I tripping?

[ocean spindle]

whut

i need to try that

[latent obsidian]

I got a clip of it it was pretty funny. The door blew up and the fog came sweeping in towards me because it got knocked away

[tardy ingot]

depending on headshot (dont remember how that works with giants and such anymore with mines) varies

but otherwise youd need 140% (50 to 120) or 200% extra mine dmg

[tardy ingot]

host would always die to mine. Clients would be completely unbothered even when next to it (sometimes randomly, sometimes when crouching)

[dry pumice]

lets see what i can muster

[silver fable]

okay, close enough, not completely tripping

[dry pumice]

+77% from agressive...
No bolds...
+29% from muted...
That's... +106% damage total.

[tardy ingot]

could still work with headshot (but again, dunno how that works with mines)

[dry pumice]

Maybe if i had muted.. But i'd have to be like 34% or more

And again: no affect against smalls, right? ... Why do i even have this.

I mean MAYBE i'll bring this to a level full of giants to save some ammo but come on

[silver fable]

you could use them to mitigate falloff against smalls I guess

the fact that I didn't even know mines have falloff probably tells you how useful that is

[dry pumice]

Which special reloads the fastest?

[tardy ingot]

revolver with cancel

[dry pumice]

and without?

[tardy ingot]

revolver

[dry pumice]

2nd best?

[neon gust]

PR

[tardy ingot]

HAR (tho i think maybe shotgun with cancel)

[dry pumice]

Hm... HAR...

[ocean spindle]

the shotgun reload is so funky

when i think im gonna reload lots it only does it once

and when i feel like its gonna b short it does it twice

i dont get it, buckland what the fuck

[turbid horizon]

Nah you just stuck 8 shells together with glue and are shoving them all in at once

[ocean spindle]

i guess sometimes it just breaks in the middle too >:b

[neon gust]

Its just doom 3 reload

[heady moat]

the choke mod's shells are too heavy for all 4 to remain stuck together without the force of gravity and moments from the pivot providing too much force for the superglue to resist

however, supergluing 2 choke mod shells together still works perfectly well

[turbid horizon]

nah choke mod is like the plastic popouts from old model sets

you just stick it in and snap off the plastic, boom all 4 shells loaded

[silver fable]

revolver 1.75
har 2.3
high cal 2.5
choke mod 2.72
combat shotgun 2.83

everything else is 3 and above

cancel times shake that up a fair bit, though har is basically equal third

[silver fable]

they really should clean up pump shotgun's natural reload

[lusty bramble]

NO

IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS

[minor fractal]

Inserting a single variable number of shells is an essential component of the Shotgun's identity.

[past star]

Hel shotgun needs buff

:)

[minor fractal]

This is so sad, can we please buff the Combat Shotgun?

[silver fable]

I was more thinking of that stupid bit at the end of the reload where the animation is finished, but the gun doesn't fire

or really just in general the length of the reload

doesn't affect me, but pubs play a completely different game

[minor fractal]

Fix sway bug = fix reload.

Super good cancel.

[silver fable]

fix sway bug goes without saying

but it feels like nobody ever gets back to us on that one

like, I feel like calle and some other staff have said "oh that's a thing? we'll check with the team" a bunch of times, then nothing

[spark wolf]

its the door itself that does this

not the mine

[latent obsidian]

Lol that's even better

[past mesa]

Can do it with c foam nades

Glow sticks

[latent obsidian]

How does it work with cfoam nades? blows the grenade shell away or something?

[past mesa]

Yup fireblade has a clip

[soft crater]

LF>FireHammer

[past mesa]

https://youtu.be/b8hsQqaXb0s?t=4330

[soft crater]

mine: We don't do that around here

[signal radish]

the update say r4e1 secondary scan location change so its where now?

[turbid horizon]

not being stupid like it was last patch

[past mesa]

There was one scan that went around the entire room

To come back on itself

Very very funny honestly should have kept it

[signal radish]

cool

[nimble summit]

Which magazine pocket layout does the new FOMO backpack use?

[rigid garden]

Should I use hel gun or sniper for big guys?

[noble sierra]

Sniper is the most efficient one if specific to big guys

[winged turtle]

hel gun if regular giants and waves, sniper if regular giants and bosses

[noble sierra]

Hel gun is more like a wave clear/versatile choice of weapon

[rigid garden]

I’m on r1c1 and there’s like a million big guys that show up

[ocean spindle]

my dumbass was writin over the hel rifle cause i got confused >:b

[winged turtle]

both are worth practicing with

[silver fable]

you could probably just go quad machinegun

but having someone with a sniper is fine too

[rigid garden]

Okay

[winged turtle]

you are on the right track, and on that level neither is bad enough you need to bring the other

so follow your heart

[rigid garden]

Also what are those big spitter ones that shoot out the white homing stuff

they’re so beefy

[winged turtle]

Hybrids most likely, that are real big threats, and def worth focussing down

[rigid garden]

like there’s multiple projectiles from one

oh

Welp

[winged turtle]

if they are doing the slav squat, those are hybrids

[silver fable]

slav squat, fires a barrage of artillery

if I start to force naming them the TOS-1, you think it'll catch on?

[winged turtle]

big doubt, esp since i have mo clue what you mean

[main dagger]

about to run through R4A1 with some bots, any suggestions?

[past mesa]

Gl you will be fine

[winged turtle]

its just a bunch of alarms, as long as they have guns you are good to go

[past mesa]

It is an unplink level there is a way to lose your guns

[winged turtle]

but as long as you can do the uplink from ontop of the terminal you should be able to dodge it

[main dagger]

wdym?

[winged turtle]

the gun snatchers. they can't steal your guns if you are above them

[main dagger]

never encountered them before.

oh no

[winged turtle]

ya, no real advice to give, as long as the bots shoot their guns you will be fine

[cold quarry]

you're asking a lot of the bots

[past mesa]

As long as the bots exists

You will be fine

[cold quarry]

the amount of cells on Cuernos can vary?

just loaded in and there's only 4, not 5

[minor fractal]

Bug

Reset if you're doing PE or Secondary.

[cold quarry]

yeah, I had a feeling and did that

thats a shitty bug

[turbid horizon]

list them every time you drop in, it's annoying but saves the time

[cold quarry]

yeah, definitely gonna. beat the level before with secondary, mustve gotten lucky that time

[minor fractal]

Tbf it's pretty rare, just not rare for how severe it is.

[past mesa]

Just do overload first problem solved

[minor fractal]

I've had my fill of weird objective approaches on that level already.

[jolly berry]

Hey all, so I have a weird question, I want to mess with my friends while we play by using some sound effects from the game, stuff like, a scout using its tendrils, or a sleeper croaking, is there any way for me to add those sound effects to a sound board, and/or how would I go about that?

[ocean spindle]

well discord has a sound board with nitro if i am not wrong, not sure how it works tho i would guess u need another server and then put those sounds into it
as for the sounds themserlves theres a lot of compilations about em in youtube, u can just search 'enemy sounds' just beware of the spoilers
u download that, cut the sound with an editin software, put in in the soundboard and

then when ur on the vc just alt tab and play the sound

[jolly berry]

excellent, ive never used a youtube to mp3 converter, so I didnt even think of that

[ocean spindle]

yeah :]
theres a website, if u go to the video and eliminate the 'ute' out of youtube itll take u to a page to donwload it

the thing is like u can only download like 3 videos every hour or somethin somethin

[low willow]

there are a ton of those sites

[ocean spindle]

yeah but that one is just
easy cause its 3 words less in ur link kdms

[low willow]

it feels like every time you google "youtube to mp3" there's a new set of sites at the top of the results

[jolly berry]

indeed, I am gonna have so much fun with this

my friends probably less so

[low willow]

do any of them use the discord overlay?

that might give it away

[jolly berry]

yeah, but i dont want them to know those sounds are in the server, so im planning on using it in an external sound board

[low willow]

it's more about them noticing that you're "talking" when the sounds are playing

[jolly berry]

true, that will hopefully be less noticable, im sure ill get called out after a couple uses either way

[low willow]

if you have a mic that gives off a lot of false positives for that it could be fine, but otherwise maybe try to say something when it happens?

[ocean spindle]

i think
a funny way to do it w/o bein as obvious is donwloadin the roar of an alarm, and playin over another alarm
like get the most scary roar ever and just play it sometimes over an alarm to like infringe fear

[low willow]

also try to make sure you use the sounds when it would make sense

[low willow]

you have given me a terrible idea

[ocean spindle]

tell me

:]

[low willow]

objective that normally does not have extract alarm -> distant roars from soundboard

[ocean spindle]

oh yes

thats so bad i love it

the problem tho

would b the music ksdm

since extract alarms always start with the music too
but well

i guess u could still trick em

[low willow]

a friend i play with always has his music up

but another way i could do it would be like

in a level with an error alarm, let's say it's a striker error

oh cool, objective's done

wouldn't it be a shame if i played a charger roar now

[ocean spindle]

oh yeah thats so bad i love it
i just hear a [r4 enemy] roar at the end
i dont wanna spoil idk how new they r ksmdk

[low willow]

music's still combat music so it'd be a lot harder to connect the dots

[jolly berry]

it would be great if the server mods added these sound effects to the server sound board, I could use them in my own server then

[low willow]

you can always just make a server with only yourself in it, add the sounds there and use them to cause chaos anywhere else

same idea for emojis and stickers

[jolly berry]

a fantastic idea

[dusk wolf]

Whens the best time to use boosters? Sometimes I feel like I need to save them

[ocean spindle]

um
all runs tbh
i mean it might b a good idea to like go in a level fail then use the boosts

but i am that type of person that never uses boosts cause i might need it soon wohhh

take into account bold and aggresive boosters have multiple uses too

[past mesa]

Consumables horder

[low willow]

Unless your team is ignoring muted artifacts, you'll usually pick up at least one muted per run, so you can throw those around whenever you want.

Otherwise, I would say go into each level without any at first, then see what you need.

[soft crater]

MAXIMUM

GLOW

STICK

POWER

A WEAPON TO SURPASS METAL GEAR

[rare venture]

Does the difficulty scale with the amount of people in your lobby?

[craggy pier]

no

[rare venture]

Okay

[copper valley]

does the birther actively chase players?

we're tryna separate the tank from the birther by running across the map so the tank will sprint towards us

nvm we died 🤡

[minor fractal]

Uh, yes?

Generally you want to either lure tank into a c-foam trip and speed kill him or you want to have someone dedicated to clearing babies while everyone else does damage to w/e is most exposed.

[solemn flint]

it is mom not tank

or it is?

hmm

eh i dont remember

[livid stone]

Can someone explain rule 13, what are old rundowns? Like the first rundowns or earlier versions of the game?

[latent obsidian]

earlier versions of the game, yes

[wintry kayak]

don’t try to separate them, it’s not as easy as it used to be

you can fight them both in the arena now

lot of cover compared to the original

[wintry kayak]

as in it’s rewarding but also probably more of a risk than simply fighting them in the arena

[civic wave]

if you hide around a corner tank will get to you first and you can easily kill him

hell, you can even hold just outside the warden door for it

[minor fractal]

It's both.

[sacred dew]

is opening overload + main(at the same time) in D2 a consistent strat?

[past mesa]

Well Ray we have been 8 mining the tank for a while now

[minor fractal]

No, it's a cheese strat.

[past mesa]

Not consistent but def a strat

[sacred dew]

How long does it take to clear D2 Main? how many alarms?

[minor fractal]

8 alarms minimum.

It's like an hour long.

[civic wave]

yeah, every zone you require for progress has an alarm

[sacred dew]

I can't do overload first, surge wave is pretty hard with no additional res

[minor fractal]

Sounds like a skill issue, ngl.

[sacred dew]

Thinking about shooter kiting it

[past mesa]

Based

Only way to play the game

[sacred dew]

I have skill issues, ngl NEVER GONNA LIE

[minor fractal]

Is this a true solo, solo w/ bots, or what?

[sacred dew]

True solo

cant bring cfoam cause I dont have enough skills to survive mutliple alarms in a row without additional fire power

[minor fractal]

Doesn't Overload just give you ammo, tho?

[sacred dew]

I need to clear the surge first before I can get any ammo

[tardy ingot]

either funnel them and shoot well (you wont survive the rest of the level anyway unless you cheese otherwise), either you make it or you die and hopefully got a bit better at it. Or ... well dont try true solo of r4d2pe

[sacred dew]

modern problems require modern solution, skill issues require true solo to solve it

[tardy ingot]

why would skill issue require true solo to solve it

[civic wave]

duos might be better for ironing out skill issues, but I'm not sure

[sacred dew]

can't help others if you get downed yourself

[past mesa]

Yeah time doesn’t seem very enjoyable but you might just be able to reroute surge a few times

[tardy ingot]

you are gonna have to do the whole level at basically 1% at some point since you most likely wont be quick enough to do main that fast

[minor fractal]

Class VI, VII, and VIII mono-charger alarms are already the hardest parts of the level.

[past mesa]

you have 4 sets of doors you should probably use them

[civic wave]

what an engaging and fun change to a mission

[tardy ingot]

dont forget the fog

[civic wave]

making it chargers

[tardy ingot]

eh i found it a lot more threatening

which is fun

[noble sierra]

Or just be a chad and explore side zones

[minor fractal]

I'm so glad that instead of fixing heat bug they made the mixed waves boring.

[jovial pasture]

last charger scan room is...not fun...

[tardy ingot]

why not

chill to shoot

[civic wave]

it was threatening but it's just you shoot them with hel weapons

if you don't have hel weapons, sucks to be you I guess

[sacred dew]

hel rifle does help wonders in D2 @past mesa was right

[past mesa]

My go to

[tardy ingot]

yea

[minor fractal]

They were more fun when they were a special enemy variant in the wave, and not the wave.

[past mesa]

Only thing about the last scan players will kill the waves to fast without getting scan progress

[minor fractal]

Even in general, GTFO doesn't do mixed waves very well a lot of the time.

[civic wave]

r4c3 in original, where you'd get chargers from error and strikers from alarms, the variety made it feel more threatening

[hearty aspen]

honestly D2 PE isnt that hard,just ration your tool wisely and make you your team dont screw up on the way of carrying the cargo lol

[sacred dew]

like R7D2?

[tardy ingot]

true variety has always been the interesting part

same for stealth

[solemn flint]

its just scary as hec

[tardy ingot]

8 giants is snooze compared to mix of giants and smalls

[past mesa]

We are kinda talking about true solo

Which is that hard

[minor fractal]

That is a good mixed wave imo.

[solemn flint]

r4d2 pe its just scary

wave behind u

cant kill any of them

[tardy ingot]

and D2PE needs knowledge of the level, lots of mechanics and for you to hurry and find ressources quickly

[hearty aspen]

well,i mean we cant run like a mad man like we used to do so that kinda suck eh

[solemn flint]

because they spawn behind u

race aggainst time

r4d2 is not time friendly

[sacred dew]

stealthing Secondary did frighten me cause of the random BBC in the area

[solemn flint]

oh and i know how to cheese gtfo now

[hearty aspen]

if i have to give my 2cent,the current D2 is pretty much watered down to at least 50% as hard as it used to be

[sacred dew]

please dont say door cheese might have to block you now

[solemn flint]

make my game 100% lighter and everything just got easier

remove the scareness

[minor fractal]

D2 is literally just the same.

[civic wave]

door bug is boring, it's a shame I RESET REQUEST so I couldn't door bug r4e1 solo

[solemn flint]

cheesing the game with amd software is fun

[past mesa]

I know this really cool tech

[past mesa]

So much easier Ray I can do alt r4 in my sleep

[solemn flint]

does anyone know how to cheese fog?

[jovial pasture]

do you think so? you could just infinity kite shadows in one room

[solemn flint]

do i need to reduce the game light contrast

[minor fractal]

Can't tell if trolling, but it was simply never hard.

[tardy ingot]

is it tho? like where is the difficulty lacking from before o.O

[solemn flint]

or do i need to reduce the saturation

[past mesa]

I always am fully fully serious

[hearty aspen]

yes,as far as i can tell after cleaning it on PE a few time,compare to back then it easier to do now

[tardy ingot]

thats most likely just players getting better

[hearty aspen]

we dont have infinity run like before but we have booster now

[solemn flint]

why door cheese when u have light cheese

[tardy ingot]

nobody considers boosters with level difficulty

[minor fractal]

Boosters Omegalul

[hearty aspen]

also the door placement isnt as arse as it used to be

[tardy ingot]

most dont even use them lol

[minor fractal]

Door placement where?

[upper ginkgo]

R5 was balanced around boosters obviously
Why do you think it's the hardest rundown

[tardy ingot]

the only real bad door placement was the alarm thats a super small room rn, and that was so easily holdable

or foamable (if it didnt glitch)

[past mesa]

And kiting

Must have been a hard rundown

[hearty aspen]

still remember that one door that you literally have to run across a foggy hallway if you want to refoam it lol

[past mesa]

That

[tardy ingot]

you mean the current class 6?

[minor fractal]

The one that's still the same way it was?

[past mesa]

Is in alt r4

[tardy ingot]

thats still there

[hearty aspen]

but the best trait is just kite the entire wave and save the doors for cargo back ten

[past mesa]

Oh my god

[civic wave]

it's in alt but I think the tile is flipped so scans are faster (could be mistaken though)

[tardy ingot]

yep

tho its less scans being faster

and more scans not having the possibility of completely trolling you

in the old r4d2 they had a lot more variance

[past mesa]

Sure but ngl pachi players don’t have good scan skills generally

Like r4 players included

[hearty aspen]

im talking about this one https://youtu.be/Zdi9dBp7l4s?t=2774

[past mesa]

It is in the game

[tardy ingot]

thats still there

just flipped

[upper ginkgo]

mfw 2 players stand in the same small red circle instead of doing each one individually

[tardy ingot]

@upper ginkgo when 3 teammates stack in 1 big red while i sit in another

[past mesa]

When a player goes to” hold” the wave

[sacred dew]

What’s scan skill, the biggest scan skill I’ve discovered is standing in the scan crouching so that I can see crawlers in the dark without glow sticks

[solemn flint]

this is sad

really lonely sitting in scan

[sacred dew]

Sounds like a social issues

[past mesa]

Scan skill would be knowing what scans you can go for maximizing everyone’s scan time

[solemn flint]

this is rlly hard though

[upper ginkgo]

Nah 3-1 split is fine because I get to think what's the best way to optimize a few seconds

[solemn flint]

knowing where teammate is going to is hard

[past mesa]

I love getting a extra sleeper wave

[tardy ingot]

when you min max the % you need to leave so the scans finish 1 second quicker

[jovial pasture]

plus many players panic when see strikers near them

[hearty aspen]

i would consider going for a lone scan that is on a platform or straight up under your instead of trying to do the one your team already doing to be one lol

[sacred dew]

Team goes scan while you go opening hard locks on boxes

[jovial pasture]

and left scans

[upper ginkgo]

How else am I going to find the 5 use kiting med

[past mesa]

It really isn’t you go for the closest scan unless that one is much closer to someone else

Never stack 3 unless you can stack 4

[hearty aspen]

honestly though most team scan wipe was because someone run away after seeing their hp is low and left the scan unfinished > more waves

[tardy ingot]

huh?

[past mesa]

Skill issue

[tardy ingot]

also, move to the farthest scan if theres multiple in front of you and your teammates are behind ya

[hearty aspen]

just press C

unless it a giant

[minor fractal]

My main take-aways from R4 convos is that apparently people struggle with long-term memory and very few people actually download old rundowns.

[past mesa]

I struggle with short term memory

[hearty aspen]

honestly people sometime really underrating the melee shoves

[past mesa]

Thank you very much

[civic wave]

I don't download old rundowns (not anymore)

I already have everything I could need

[past mesa]

Yeah melee shove is cool

Do you know how much stamina it costs

[tardy ingot]

unless you use spear

[minor fractal]

Yeah, but I feel like a lot of the "the OG was harder" comes from a place of having literally never replayed it since R4.

Didn't redownload in R5, R6, etc.

[civic wave]

too much, I'm going back to R4

[hearty aspen]

stamina or 12hp,your choice

[past mesa]

I mean no you should know what you are spending

Cause momentary dmg avoidance isn’t permanent dmg avoidance

[sacred dew]

precious time to quickswap and shoot?

[hearty aspen]

mate,if i see a strike about to lick my arse,i wouldnt careless about stamina as i wont get back that 12hp unless i already at cap

[sacred dew]

shove now and lose stamina to avoid the next 2 hits or tank the 1 hit and run

[past mesa]

Yeah it depends

Just for your reference shove costs the same as charged hit with your respective melee weapon

And doesn’t reset stamina regeneration cooldown

[sacred dew]

most useful thing about shove is shove reload cancel

[past mesa]

Knife fast shove is pretty good

[hearty aspen]

like i said,people really underrating shove,it have it use and also depend on the player's skill and situation,it not like you gonna down to 140 pulse just from 1 shove, also this talk sound more like about preference,you value stamina over hp,i value hp over stamina,so better we all just do what we prefer

[sacred dew]

I really do respect your opinion and reference in playstyle, I also agree with you. But i wanna argue

[soft crater]

[soft crater]

I find it funny that I still find people doing the swap cancel

[hardy grotto]

ppl hating on shove

wow

[turbid horizon]

ngl i don't hate it

I just forget it exists

[soft crater]

Shove is good but I find it more satisfying killing multiple sleepers without and taking no hits

[hardy grotto]

what does that have to do with

shoving tho

i dont think anyone in their right mind is seeing 4 enemies and trying to shove them

i shove to gather enemies if anything

[sleek cave]

There is a shove?!?

[turbid horizon]

press C

quick melee shove

[sleek cave]

Bruuuh

[sacred dew]

depends on the weapon and your position, swap canceling is no different than shove canceling

I dont think that 0.5s time save is that big of a deal

[upper ginkgo]

complains about the 0.1s extra charge up time on hel gun

[sacred dew]

0.1s = 1s during panik

[past mesa]

I mean shove good but players don’t even realize what they are spending

Gtfo players have disgusting knowledge of stamina management

[hardy grotto]

ok but

i shoot enemy

🙂

sry idk what came over me

i just dont really care enough to break the habit and its rare i find situations in current where like

[past mesa]

Yeah shooting sleeper is good

[hardy grotto]

that bit of stamina would rlly matter?

[past mesa]

It is the same as charged hit

If you think charge hit and jump matters

It matters

[winged turtle]

all i know about stamina is that i only found box striker 10 seconds ago, but if anything happens to him i am killing everyone and then myself

[hardy grotto]

typically im only tryna save stam if im already in the process of needing to kite anyway

and i shove reload cancel if my other gun is empty and my brain is functioning

[past mesa]

Completely fair

[hardy grotto]

OR

ORORO

i swap to bio

thats a habit i have

[past mesa]

I just hip fire

Lol

[hardy grotto]

but i also tried to break that habit cause i started playing with joemie more and hes bio

[past mesa]

My sniper gameplay is so funny

[hardy grotto]

im ngl u hipfire so much its honestly weird

i like never hipfire unless im using shotguns

[civic wave]

the amount of times I've pulled out mine deployer on scan when someone else is bio

[past mesa]

I know I hip fire with sniper

At 20 meter s

[hardy grotto]

why not ads

[past mesa]

Idk

[hardy grotto]

i hipfire hel gun once and i miss the shot and i wanna fucking scream

[past mesa]

It is a very bad habit pretty funny

[fierce nebula]

dont play CoD lmao

hip firing sniper

would make funny kill cam

[past mesa]

I don’t I play games where hip fire is good

Halo, overwatch, valorant it is werid to need to hit another button to shoot

But I have been getting better Beth

[sturdy glen]

I miss hipfire

[hardy grotto]

yea i feel that tbh

[past mesa]

I aim in with hel rev more now

[hardy grotto]

after leaving ow i had to like

figure out how to ads

[past mesa]

Yup but it is so ingrained

But moving on

[hardy grotto]

i just played a lot of apex and siege and figured it out from there

[past mesa]

Gtfo players have awful movement and stamina management.

[hardy grotto]

and now i waste my life on gtfo

[past mesa]

yup pretty good

[past mesa]

Beth do you want to play gtfo balanced with boosters in mind

Very cool maps that definitely run at more than 20 frames

[hardy grotto]

surely that just means u have to play them with provisions

[past mesa]

And melee dmg

[hardy grotto]

idk if id wanna do that tbh

[past mesa]

The quad kill giants solo

Is to hard

[hardy grotto]

at a point it just becomes more tedious than anything

[past mesa]

We can mod in max infection if you want

[hardy grotto]

im ok i think

[past mesa]

It is tedious but I am practicing my cool packed stealth patterns

Also solo mom with no births

Which is kinda fucked

Have such a hard time once the moms are up getting it

[soft crater]

If they are switching to use the other weapon it's faster yes. But if you're trying to use it to make reloads faster and then start shooting that weapon again. Shove cancel is still faster in that regard.

[spark wolf]

homie rly said D2 watered down when it has higher class alarms

and the charger chance alarms were changed to charger only alarms

[past mesa]

and fog is more? Of an issue

[spark wolf]

on a lucky D2 you literally got 0 chargers until extraction

[fierce nebula]

D2 is so easy

[minor fractal]

It's way harder to avoid, yeah.

[fierce nebula]

probably the easiest level in GTFO

[minor fractal]

Not even lucky, as long as cargo ain't a bitch you good.

[tardy ingot]

b-but guns are way stronger than in og r4

[hardy grotto]

2 guns

2 whole guns

were pretty strong

a lil bit

oh

i misread but

we did kinda have the 2 most op guns in the game in og r4

[civic wave]

maybe the guns aren't that much stronger, but the amount of ammo certainly helps, but I'm not the guy who looks at no. resources each zone

[hardy grotto]

the guns are def a lot stronger now across the board

[tardy ingot]

peak of guns is lower, average is way higher (which is a huge plus lol, imagine having hel revo and then the biggest gap known to mankind)

[hardy grotto]

except hel revo and burst cannon

[tardy ingot]

iirc people think theres a lot more ammo quite often

as in, people were mad r2d2 appearantly had more ressources

when it actually lost a bunch

[hardy grotto]

theres def more in the code zones of r4e1 no?

[tardy ingot]

yes tools being better (tbf at this point its only mines and burst sentry) makes a difference tho

[hardy grotto]

in reactor it feels fairly similar

[tardy ingot]

havent played new r4e1

gonna do first attempt tmrw

[hardy grotto]

glgl

[tardy ingot]

gonna be fun

Only attempt and clear of that level was og with you, pachi n bread

[hardy grotto]

oh true

that was a good run

[tardy ingot]

legit seen more of it through your streams than own gameplay

[hardy grotto]

i prefer og personally

[tardy ingot]

[hardy grotto]

LOL

[vivid holly]

quick question, can my group play r1b1 if one of my players hasnt beaten a1?

[civic wave]

I can confirm there are more resources in code zones in r4e1

[civic wave]

yes, there is no requirement for joining lobbies, only the host needs the level unlocked

[tardy ingot]

also regardinf r4d2, i think ray said smth like 3 uses of ammo and 2 use tool (or reverse)

thats so unnoticeable that it might aswell not even exist

especially since the zone with the class 7 actually has variance on whether its 5/5/5 or 6/6/6 for med/tool/ammo from what ive seen

[neon gust]

We legit are playing the game with finally fixed sentries and mines

tools actually work as intended

and we dont have a "flavor of the month" guns anymore

with always having 2 or 3 guns that are busted

things are more balance now

it seems easier since now we got more options

instead of just relying on the shit that "works"

[dry pumice]

legit

although still no scattergun to completely bypass moms

and all my favorite guns keep getting nerfe

but other than that...

[winged turtle]

BC was too cute for this world

and i am really glad its so numbers-wise comparable to the sniper, 13 shots, big damage, notable downsides, for R3 i was just never willing to consider bringing sniper, the range just wasn't worth it.

more even weapons is really cool, kinda glad i wasn't around for OG

[neon gust]

and also we'are kinda replaying re-releases of stuff we played years ago

[past mesa]

Judging difficultly pretty hard when it comes to your own experience

[soft crater]

Sawed off shotgun* (though it won't bypass moms)

[soft crater]

Easier than they were years ago

[neon gust]

You can just look at the overall improvements in level design

and see what change

thats why in my review i stated the levels themselves got harder

[past mesa]

Level design is much better in post r6

R4 levels give the feeling modded rundowns do

Lack focus

[topaz anvil]

Alt levels give the feeling modded rundowns do

Too many strong weapons

[fierce nebula]

modding the auto pistol to one shot a tank is the average experience

[topaz anvil]

WeMod moment

[tardy ingot]

I agree, but it depends

stuff like r4d2 or r4c3 is great
And for an a tier i consider r4a2 well done aswell (even if the optionals actual objective isnt necessarily coherent)

[devout tinsel]

Alright, so, are cosmetic issues fixed? If I haven't played Rundown 4 at all, or the ALT version, will I still need to reset my data in the future to get all 12 cosmetics? Or is everything completely fine post patch?
The update announcement was just a little confusing :x

[jovial pasture]

fixed

[devout tinsel]

Groovy

[winged turtle]

some people hit the bottom of the loot pool, they added more so you are good

[raw rain]

There any updated weapon data for R4 ?

[winged turtle]

yes, the new spreadsheets are out as well.
Arbalist MG got reworked to be closer to Veruta MG
Burst Cannon nerfed ammo and recoil
lots of tiny buffs, a couple timy nerfs

[tardy ingot]

*further away

they now have similar impact but the fire rate is more distinct

same for dmg per bullet

[spark wolf]

i think a lot of level design changes in alt are just by random chance cuz thats how it generated now

sorry janitor

[dry pumice]

Oh it's very easy - you just don't put all the effort in and play as chill as possible and then note how much effort you DO have to put in to bypass this or that bit of level.
While still somewhat biassed and subjective - it's a good baseline.

[kind totem]

Is it possible to continuously reinforce a door with c-foam while it is being attacked by enemies? Assuming you don't run out of shots beforehand

i remember pulling it off once but then when i attempt it again, the c-foam would just shoot through the door

[ocean spindle]

yeh!
the foam through the door is just a bug but

u can just keep a door frozen forever

it is a strat

[kind totem]

is there a guide video demonstrating it?

[ocean spindle]

um i dont think so but its not hard either
u just foam a door, and then when enemies start like beatin it down u shot blob by blob to keep it frozen :]c
there might b some videos where u can see it bein used but tbh idk which ones

[kind totem]

so when they're hitting the door, you just fire single blobs at it for as long as you need?

[minor fractal]

Try to keep balls between 4 and 8

Max is 9

[ocean spindle]

hehe balls

[kind totem]

ic

[ocean spindle]

but yeh
and if u have a mine on the other side u can pretty much nullify the alarm

:3

[noble sierra]

https://youtu.be/7feA6MaOhAs?t=109

[ocean spindle]

always watch those seconds at the end of the link :]

[kind totem]

so like you don't wait to see the c-foam visual to disappear to start spamming c-foam again

u just do it as they're hitting the door?

[kind totem]

i see, thanks!

[minor fractal]

I do, personally.

[kind totem]

yeah but when i do it, it'll just shoot through the door

even though the door isn't broken visually

[noble sierra]

That'a glitch...it happened quite often this patch, though

[tardy ingot]

it does?

ive only seen it once

[keen seal]

happened twice for me so far

[tardy ingot]

and that was on the xth reset on r4d2 speeds with 3 foam launchers

[ocean spindle]

it does happen quite sometimes

i got it twice in r3d1, i mean

i didnt

someone else with foam in my team kmds

[kind totem]

i attempted it 3 times in separate runs on r2d1, it only successfully worked once

other times it just shoots through the door and i didn't attempt it again

[noble sierra]

I didn't use much foam this patch yet, from my personal sample there are like 30% of the time the foam just bugged out

[ocean spindle]

also try to not aim at like the lines on the door, cause if they r bent it might just go through to the other side, at least from what ive heard

its another issue like apart from the bug but

still

[noble sierra]

I had foam glitch in D2/C2/C3/C1 just last week

[ocean spindle]

pain

idk why it happens so much

[civic wave]

when it happens I've foamed the top of the door with decent success

but that's a small sample size because I don't play with foam much

[noble sierra]

It's not gonna help when the glitch happens

I re-foam the top plank by default, and when the glitch happens, it doesn't matter where you tried to re-foam

[hardy grotto]

have u tried shooting sleepers through the actual door when u get it

i could do that sometimes LOL

not even just through the cracks but like

the actual door

[hidden ridge]

I think it's one of those glitches that once you get you need to restart the game to fix it.

At least I believe that since I had it happen like 2-3 times in a row.

Every time I was hosting and playing with 3 bots.

[spark wolf]

its usually a host thing

welcome to gtfo

do u want foam on the host so it might not work on the doors

or do u want foam on client so it might not work on sleepers

foam the mom with 1 full charge CHALLENGE

[past mesa]

The door being damaged also seems to effect it

[jovial pawn]

this may be a silly question, but does doing the secondary and overload objectives in levels give you extra cosmetics?

[winged turtle]

it does not

[hidden ridge]

It does not anymore, it used to

[icy cave]

still sad about it

[hidden ridge]

I think they changed it with Alt R1 release

[winged turtle]

they did

[low willow]

They did it because with the old rules you would have gotten very little for alt R1-3

R1 and R3 each would've given you 3 things - counting their exclusive "clear all mains" helmets

[primal wind]

Hello guys, small question here, can we list / ping consumables from PC ? (by cons, i mean foam grenade, trip mine, fog repeller, glow stick etc ...) if yes, what is the code i should write on the terminal 😄 thanks in advance

[winged turtle]

those are the only things you cannot console for, you can console for containers, but not consumables

[primal wind]

ok thanks, since i did not find the information anywhere , i was pretty sure i could not, but now i'm sure 😄

[winged turtle]

any time dude

[soft crater]

List C-Foam

But more importantly

List Glowstick

[winged turtle]

list long

[civic wave]

careful with that, you might find the Long Gun

[past mesa]

I wish we had “list objectives” in the game

Would make playing pe levels blind so much more entertaining

[soft crater]

Query Klas_Henriksson

[minor fractal]

Tbf you kind of can already.

R7C2 and R7C3 I feel like we had those levels pretty figured out off terminal in the first zone or two.

Although C3 it was more "probably terminal-related"

[past mesa]

I understand you can I just don’t like sitting there listing all objective items

I just wish there was a command that spat them all out like

Security

[minor fractal]

Fair.

[sturdy glen]

idk I just do list y list w at the beginning of every level and thats plenty good enough

[past mesa]

Security

[minor fractal]

LIST -A can also help you spot oddities, tbf.

[past mesa]

Yeah

[minor fractal]

And tbh, I don't mind that there's some know-how involved.

Beyond the terminal telling you straight up.

[past mesa]

Honestly if I could list overload/secondary/ main

I would be chill

[minor fractal]

Listing by sector would be nice.

[past mesa]

Or if overload was a valid filter

[sturdy glen]

thatd be nice ig yeah

[past mesa]

I don’t really need it for main honestly it is way more useful in modded

Where bullshit be stinking

[past mesa]

Or a range of zones like 365,364

[minor fractal]

LIST E_36

[past mesa]

I understand but it also gives me 366-9

Which is all good but if I am back tracking for reasouces I would love to check all zones I have been to faster

But it could be to much qol when it comes to terminal usage

[minor fractal]

Fair

-Z filter as well

For your own zone

[past mesa]

Ah that would be nice

Honestly a while back them adding to terminal qol was so nice

Also Ray I have new terminal tech that is definitely useful

So you know how we can keep a terminals active state with the quick chat window . While we can que up a bunch of commands in what ever terminal like ping then put the command you would want to run later then get to where you want to be to run that command and hope the stack finishes then

[minor fractal]

Hmmm

[past mesa]

Doing this you could deactivate the class 10 charger in r7d1 by yourself only making one trip * actually I am wrong here cause you need the other terminal to do this which would break storage

Definitely NOT USEFUL

But funny

Could also do uplink deactive alarms by yourself without having to make a multiple trips which is kinda cool

Actually maybe it isn’t as useful as I thought Because you don’t have access to some interactions with quick chat open

[minor fractal]

F

I could see it being useful in cases where everyone needs to meet up for a scan, but the alarm that needs to be deactivated is on some sort of delay (either people need more time to reach it, or it's on a timer of some kind).

But that's already hyper-niche.

And it'd need to be on a run that's very optimized/tight to the point that this would matter.

[sudden wasp]

is there a mod that allows for placing down large flashlight?

[ocean spindle]

idk

u can search on the moddin server

.t modding

[uneven gulch]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[ocean spindle]

but tbh i wouldnt think so

[past mesa]

I could make a modded map where it is required to beat the level

But that is about it

[minor fractal]

Still F

[past mesa]

Truely sad

[hasty terrace]

Does the fog go up or down when you put in the cells in R4C3?
Plz need help

[civic wave]

the fog will go up, but will no longer be infectious

[past mesa]

@hasty terrace

[hasty terrace]

thanks!

Is it secondary -> main -> overload or secondary -> overload -> main?

[past mesa]

Secondary overload main is the usual path. But if you lobby doesn’t have 5 total cells on the map you have to do overload first or reset

[hasty terrace]

ty!

[red flax]

What's the general strategy for R2D2? Just beat it for the first time and it took ~15 attempts. Had 2 people on snipers, two burst sentry, 1 sniper sentry, and biotracker. Snipers tried to coordinate to kill the giants and hybrids on bridge while other two dealt with the smalls. Felt like supply efficiency and med efficiency carried so I'm curious if theres anything blatantly wrong with what we did?

[sturdy glen]

1. were you looting everything
2. were you pulling every side zone

2 snipers is also a bit overkill

[red flax]

Looting everything we could with time, left some things behind if they were too far away to be used.
Did not go to every side zone.

[upper ginkgo]

what was the main cause of your wipes anyways?

are you properly ammo balancing? (i.e not using ammo packs when you're 20/80 on your main/special)

[red flax]

What got us the most were stragglers after the wave

Having 2 hybrids come after you when you're trying to stealth a minute after the reactor is a pain in the ass

That and scouts

We got skill issued from trying to stealth scouts a lot

[vague bridge]

are you camping at bridge or closer to the door you need to be at?

[red flax]

We camped ~half way on bridge

[vague bridge]

stragglers shouldn't be a problem then

unless you're instantly running to the objective

[red flax]

We got different amounts of them depending on who was hosting

[jagged shore]

Stragglers were an issue pretty much no matter where we held when doing it

[vague bridge]

but it becomes more problematic the further you settle

is it coming from extraction zone or from reactor area

(east/west? or is it north south?)

[red flax]

All of the above, wasn't consistent through attempts

I assume most came from bridge

[vague bridge]

they don't spawn on bridge

regardless, dedicating a minute or so for cleanup shouldn't be devastating

[red flax]

Dang, a whole minute?

[vague bridge]

except for first few codes which are easy stealthers

[red flax]

We tried to leave as soon as we felt we got them all

[sturdy glen]

worst you should have to do is have 1 person wait behind

can just check pulse or combat music for if smth is still alive

[red flax]

We attempted that with the winning attempt

[red flax]

Can you elaborste on this?

[vague bridge]

your pulse goes yellow but only when enemies are awake

[sturdy glen]

if something is awake you will have a higher resting pulse than if smth isnt, and combat music will be playing if they are 2 zones away from you

[red flax]

Yeah I used that a few times on R2D1

[vague bridge]

assuming you don't have music on

which if you do its much quicker to tell

[red flax]

I do, I pay a lot more attention to comms though

[vague bridge]

also comms yeah

also 2 snipers means a lot of ammo pack is going to be wasted to refill their mains

1 marksman can certainly suffice given they're skilled enough

[vestal shoal]

is there a best sentry atm?

or are they all pretty viable

[ocean spindle]

burst probs

cause burst is very versatile, sniper is slow w/o bio and needs of hallways for range, shotguni is pretty ok on corners but with bio wastes some bullets and auto is for staggerin and not killin

[vestal shoal]

what is bio?

[ocean spindle]

biotracker :3

in case u didnt know

[vestal shoal]

how does bio buff sentry?

[ocean spindle]

bio can affect some sentries, shotgun and sniper, makin em shot faster, save ammo and that kind of stuff

in the turrets description i think its listed as 'biotracker symbiosis'

[vestal shoal]

thats really good to know thanks

[ocean spindle]

its oke, good luck in ur runs

[minor fractal]

You probably need to be looting more efficiently/playing faster if resources are an issue.

1 Sniper can probably solo clear big enemies as well, and any amount of versatility in loadouts should allow anyone to deal with a problem hybrid or w/e.

Generally, 1 person goes straight to terminal to ping things, 2 people clear/loot, 1 person clears stragglers or helps stealth/loot when everything is dead.

Also, don't pick up reactor resources unless you're on a free code or desperate.

Everything you grab from reactor should only be picked up if you're able to use it right away or shortly after.

If you have free hands, you can grab resources from code zones. If you're missing ammo or tool, you can burn low uses on the spot. In that same vein, if you find a 5-ammo probably wait to confirm there's no 2-ammos before you use it.

If you don't loot side zones very efficiently, you just die on the final 2 waves because reactor will be empty.

Also in that same vein, bring sentries with you.

If you don't have sentries on you, refilling tool requires running the refill all the way back to your hold spot every time, when you could just burn it on the spot and, again, have free hands.

[red flax]

Yep we did all that

We probably just have a skill issue

[minor fractal]

Maybe.

It's hard to say w/out seeing, though.

Like, "we did all that" might mean you did all of that but you're encountering small hurdles here or there...

Or it might mean that there's very clear issues in your attempts that you're just not aware of.

[red flax]

Yeah, we completed the mission but it seems our general strategy was sound

[craggy pier]

so if all the gtfo chats are being used do you just gotta find another way to communicate? still figuring this out

[ocean spindle]

um
idk what u mean
if a gtfo chat is being used or not u can still talk in it

[upper ginkgo]

there will never be a time when all the VCs are full 😔

[ocean spindle]

ah the voice channels

[craggy pier]

theyre pretty much full rn lol and the rules said to not join one unless invited so if I wanted to host my own lobby what would i do?

[ocean spindle]

u click the level u wanna play, u click 'create lobby' and post a message in the LFG channels with the info that #how-to-matchmake says

[winged forge]

im curious. you can play with bots though not recomended, and you can play it solo if done right (again not recommended from what viewers say). but can you play it without internet? i get wifi issues sometimes, so i play most game offline. so can you play with out wifi?

[ocean spindle]

uh no[e

gtfo tells u to connect if im not wrong

[winged forge]

we wont know till we try lol

[ocean spindle]

i mean i i think i did try once but u can do it again just in case ksmdk maybs its changed idk

[winged forge]

i dont have the game yet, going to get it tomorrow xD

[ocean spindle]

ah ksmdk

well u can try, tomorrow ksks

also solo w/o bots is not like its nor recommended
its more or so impossible until u have tons of hours

[winged forge]

unless you have god luck xD

[ocean spindle]

... nah tons of hours :]

kdsmk

the rng in this game is not like a ton

[winged forge]

ya, heard it is stupidly hard too xD

well i need a challenge, its been a while since i beaten a hard game like dark souls xD

[ocean spindle]

ksks fairs
bots arent like super bad but they do need to b learnt and b adapted to, i play with bots and they can b a lil funk sometimes
or u always got the lfg channels to find people :D

[winged forge]

ya, i got a friend that didnt touch his yet and another that stopped playing for a while xD

[ocean spindle]

noice >:3

u can reunite the gang ksks

[winged forge]

lol, and have our souls descend in rage and fright 😂

[icy cave]

All 200 🤔?

[craggy pier]

I figured it out

[icy cave]

👍

[long ember]

Is the bug for not being able to ping resources that was taken from another zone and place in a different room back? Screen shots in question: #gtfo-media message

[noble sierra]

Yeah, you still have to use the original terminal to ping it

[tardy ingot]

its similar to dark souls in a team of sameish experienced players

if you want to solo you will need to use glitches to complete some missions and resort to incredible cheesing for a lot of them unless you are rly rly cracked at the game

[raven sluice]

anyone having a good idea what equipment i should use on r4 2b solo with bots prisoner efficiency
or atleast have a hint for boosters i could use?

[waxen bane]

If you are doing it with 3 bots I would give 2 of them burst sentries and 1 biotracker, for yourself take any tool apart from bio. Once you started the error alarm place the sentries behind when you are clearing rooms in the front so the sentries can take care of the error waves mostly, tell bots to pick them up once you're done. For bots load out give them AR+machine gun. If you are doing PE make sure not to put any cell into the generators until you're done with secondary/ overload. For B-tiers you don't really need to use boosters they have little impact

[icy cave]

For any tier you don't really need to use boosters they have little impact*

[latent obsidian]

but take regen cap anyway because the error wave will probably wear you down 🙂

[waxen bane]

I think needing them or not VS their impact on the level are two separate arguments. Experienced players won't need them for sure but I wouldn't say for example, supply boosters have little impact on R7E1

[tardy ingot]

boosters are stronger the better a player is funnily enough

[icy cave]

Fair they can have impact. It's the NEED for boosters I don't agree with. they are never needed obv. It's just sometimes you see teams abandoning cause they ran out of boosters .......

[waxen bane]

That I completely agree👍🏾 I guess boosters give people excuses to not figure out the correct strategy for the level which is sad

[icy cave]

Pretty much.

[raven sluice]

i would say that boosters are broken
like completly overpowered
especially anything that gives you more ressources out of packs

but i also never use booster besides i get a few trys and got close to the end

[solemn flint]

no, booster isnt that op

they are just life hack

life hack for normal player

[raven sluice]

well it is dumb to get over 50% of your special ammo with one pack

[solemn flint]

and

what else

if u miss alot, that 20% extra wont help

[raven sluice]

what do you mean what else?

?

you can shoot infinitely cause you won't run out of ammo

[latent obsidian]

Infection nullification, pushing guns over damage breakpoints, scan speed up in general, busted regen cap

[solemn flint]

people would say something like 100% infection resist would mean u dont need fog infection

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