gtfo-related-questions

[verbal zinc]

The people in there are very sensitive about their lore

[past star]

Speedrun lore better

[hardy grotto]

don’t say his name you’ll curse us all

[past star]

never

[lunar rain]

instructions unclear, i am wanted in several countries for robbery

[verbal zinc]

Pitski Pitski Pitski

[hardy grotto]

I hear something outside my door

[lunar rain]

let that sink in

[verbal zinc]

Hide your tools

[past star]

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-sink-in-breaking-bad-walter-white-walt-gif-20938597

[verbal zinc]

Have you ever thrown a cfoam nade into a mine explosion?

[past star]

mfw i cheat in a speadrun on a ~~dead ~~ prospering game

[verbal zinc]

The game is not dead, bread 😡

It’s just on life support now

I have evidence that can confirm this theory btw

[past mesa]

Does it get rebounded

[verbal zinc]

Yes

It’s beautiful

[lunar rain]

I am going to start a trick shot channel using this info

[verbal zinc]

If you can manage to bounce the foam off the mine explosion into a running mom you have my respect 🫡

[turbid horizon]

wait you can trickshot with Cfoam?

[verbal zinc]

I found out 2 days ago 🤯

[tropic vine]

👀

[turbid horizon]

idk if ur gaslighting me or not but idc i want to test it

[verbal zinc]

No trust 🤣

[tropic vine]

be sure to record it i wanna know how it works

[lunar rain]

hang on

can i work my way up to that or no

only one shot and if i fail life is over for me?

[verbal zinc]

You can try this your whole life my man 🤣

Good luck

[lunar rain]

give me a couple years

maybe decades

[honest lion]

Does Ads reduce spread on shotgun or is it only for Chokemod?

[minor fractal]

None of them.

[honest lion]

Oh okay

Also, the wiki says mines deal 50 damage but it oneshot us for some reason?

[minor fractal]

Players have 25 HP and take 50% damage from FF (although it's unclear if mines count as FF).

[honest lion]

Gotcha

I always thought we have 100

[tardy ingot]

why do several shotguns have „hip spread“ then?

[minor fractal]

It's mostly default values.

Same as shot delay or burst delay not being used on some charge-up weapons.

Shotguns have a bunch of overrides, though, that mean stats like hip-fire spread go unused.

Choke mod, for example, has both hip-fire and ADS spread of 10

Which is ludicrous.

[soft crater]

[cloud fox]

Can r7c3 Overload be done and still have enough time left to get to the exit before it runs out?

Taking into account any amount of looting required to stay afloat

[lunar rain]

Opinions on a vertical level ?

[past star]

Yes
In fact you can do both overload and secondary during that time but it’s a lot harder

[dry pumice]

Probably can be, yeah, if you are very quick.

Hell the entire overload seems to purely exist for that reason - to give you something to do while timer goes down.

[past star]

Speedrun

[dry pumice]

What was it, 20 minutes?

[past star]

Lmao the default timer is like 32 minutes

https://youtu.be/PsJT6cAY-P4

Shameless plug

[dry pumice]

10 minutes to find bulkhead, 20 minutes to do OVL, 5 minutes to ruuuuun to the extraction door.

[past star]

Oh I thought you meant the entire level

My b

[dry pumice]

No no, just the survive timer

So 20 or what?

[past star]

Yes 20

[dry pumice]

5 > 10 > 5 then

[past star]

I’d say that’s a fair estimate

[dry pumice]

The hardest part is doing the uplink, the damn thing takes like 15 minutes most of which is just trying to not fucking die

It's possible, but I've never seen it happen.

[past star]

This was doing secondary and overload during the 20min timer

Very fun way to do it but also very hard

[dry pumice]

The single most justified checkpoint in the entire game

But also the most dangerous one

[past star]

LF C3 PE No checkpoint 😔

[dry pumice]

If you checkpointed after waking up every single C scout - literally fucking unplayable

[solemn flint]

kinda close, but always posible

techniclly thats was the intended way to do if u do overload

complete both of the 2 man uplink before extraction, get to extraction asap, the snatcher spawn, shoot the heck out of it while siting in extraction

i think there are tank too

idk if it is possible to fight of the extraction wave when the 30 min end, but with the technology that we have now, maybe

[weak root]

how to ping the resource instead of the whole locker?

[ocean spindle]

with the terminal? u list the zone or the resources in the zone and then u put the PING command but with the name of the thing
if u mean like middle mouse ping, i dont think it
works
super well so

just b communicative

[weak root]

alright, i see

[vague bridge]

and once in a blue moon you can middle click ping tools that are in a resource box (only)

they have to be slanted on the divider panel

and you ping the tippy top of it

[hidden ridge]

You sure? I believed whenever I can ping resources themselves with middle click it's because someone has a QoL mod that does that

At least that what I heard once and never bothered checking it

Would be bizzarre that a mod on someone else allows me to do that tbh

[turbid horizon]

You can ping resource packs

But most of the time the locker hitbox collides with the resource pack hitbox, so you ping the locker

[hidden ridge]

didnt know that

[low willow]

that's why it only works if they're in boxes

and when they're in the right spot it's not something most people will end up doing, even by accident

[ocean spindle]

if i close a door and while its half closed i shoot the enemies inside of it still wake up right

[winged turtle]

um, i think that still wakes up the room, i know opening security doors have that funny free shooting window. i think regular doors do too, i forget if you can with closing doors.

tbh not something i have personally ever tried or experimented with

[past mesa]

Yeah

But they still have normal long range and proxy alert capabilities

So if you then open the door you may get a sleeper that will “randomly” wake up

[ocean spindle]

so if i shoot, and the door is closin, it might not wake em up till i open it again?

[past mesa]

Yeah

But that is just with like one sleeper

In the room

[past mesa]

Funnily enough if you shoot a scout and it doesn’t kill it while the door is closing the scout won’t scream right away

It will once a door is fully open to it though

[winged turtle]

and does it start its scream on the beginning or the end of the opening animation?

[past mesa]

End

so you have a chance to save it

[winged turtle]

so you get a second bite at the apple lol thats hilarious

[past mesa]

yup if you have played r7d1 with me this happens a lot

[winged turtle]

new C scout tech for my team lol

[past mesa]

Yeah

[past mesa]

This is the same reason you can shoot the normal sleeper through the door and it doesn’t do anything on r3d1

[ocean spindle]

well i just got spoiled
jk

[winged turtle]

right, i know opening doors had it, i didn't know for sure closing doors did

lol i love it

[past mesa]

yeah all doors have it

Doors are really broken as well

You can shoot through the cracks of doors if you want

[winged turtle]

you gotta be a surgeon tho

[past mesa]

You can dmg the door to make it easier

[past mesa]

Also you know the 2 room sleeper rule

[winged turtle]

wait, you can shoot through an undamaged door? lol

[past mesa]

where if you’d shoot and rooms that are two away you have a 10 meter alert radius on your guns

[past mesa]

Yeah sentry’s can too

At least on labs

[winged turtle]

holy shit, i assumed it was only after the door had been booped

[past mesa]

Maybe it is but I could have swore my sentry lights things up

[winged turtle]

ohh ya, two open doors might as well be the other side of the world lol

*for sound

[past mesa]

Well

There is a caveat

If you have a room adjacent to you with no open doors to it. But somewhere from you and the map there exists and open pathway to that room. It will have the 30 meter radius

This happens a lot in r2e1 where players don’t clear out Room B before going into F to C. Then they will shoot the giants in C with the possibility of waking the giants in B because the path way from B F C is open

Even though B and C have no open commons doors

[vague bridge]

im 100% vanilla

[winged turtle]

of course it's a radius, and not a path

holy fuck

how did i not see it before

[past mesa]

Yeah it is obvious why it happens

[past mesa]

Have I told you about the sound change in sleep attack animations yet

Where one of the sounds will hit you

And the other will target some teammate

[winged turtle]

going from first principles, yeah you will reach the correct solution. But if you're playing with a less experienced team, they'll just see more enemies approaching from behind a closed door or from the long way around and go wait what happened! And not remember where they were standing when they shot, plus where the enemy position was in the other room, plus that there was an open path

[winged turtle]

No! what??

[past mesa]

The sounds that has the deeper bass note

That one will hit you

If it doesn’t have the bass not

You don’t need to worry about it it is going for green

[winged turtle]

holy shit, an extra/different track plays when the tongue animation is for you?

[past mesa]

Yeah it is different

it is just deeper

it is obvious if you are listening for it

[turbid horizon]

wait people didn’t realize this?

Huh

[past mesa]

No they didn’t

I kept asking players if they knew

[turbid horizon]

i always noticed that the tongue would make a deep convulsion noise

[winged turtle]

man, if i am looking at an attack animation, i am panicking

[past mesa]

But it only makes that noise

If it is going for you

[turbid horizon]

yeye

[past mesa]

That is the important part

[winged turtle]

thats awesome!!

[past mesa]

It also works with shooters but

Not well

[turbid horizon]

they’re a little silly

[past mesa]

At least the initial targeting is obvious

Same with snatchers

[turbid horizon]

now I’m being reminded of all the times on R7D2 where I got licked through walls

I still want to know what causes that

[past mesa]

If you are client it can be positioning of both you can the sleeper being descyn

[turbid horizon]

lmao

I’m host

iirc it was mostly the wall of the first blood door

[past mesa]

Oh what

That is probs just data centre being data centre

[turbid horizon]

I’d dodge, completely break line of sight with the sleeper like a quarter of a second before tongue comes out

Wham

Licked through a 2 foot thick wall

He scooping out the concrete for a topping

[past mesa]

Yeah that be data centre sometimes the walls don’t work

[turbid horizon]

wait does this mostly happen in R7D2?

Walls not working?

[past mesa]

The tile set and amount of sleepers

Probably helps you to see it

But idk it could be something else

[compact junco]

I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I see rundowns 1 to 3 and a bunch of spaces where rundowns should be and then rundown 7. If I complete rundown 3 does rundown 4 unlock?

[winged turtle]

nope!

you have caught the game mid remaking the old rundowns

[compact junco]

ohhh

[winged turtle]

they only have up til 3 done, then we get 4, 5, 6
then be will be new after those

[compact junco]

so I just have to be patient and they will come out eventually for me and frien to play

[winged turtle]

yup, if you are new, there is plenty plenty to keep you busy until 6 comes out

but if you are caught up

welcome to the club

[compact junco]

oh yeah definitely

im new and ive got plenty to do

[solemn flint]

U are gonna suffer alot

Hehhe

[compact junco]

besides the way i play it takes like 1 hour to do a mission so...

[winged turtle]

ohh ya! there is a ton to sink your teeth into, be patient and try to learn as mucha s you can!

[compact junco]

oh im looking forward to it

[winged turtle]

YUP

[solemn flint]

From r1 to r3 most mission take less than 1 hours

R7 make u think its ez and then slap u in tha face with welcome to hell

Hehehhe

[compact junco]

got the game for me and friend and we love it so far, missions are cool and now im excited for those other rundowns

[compact junco]

I will slap it back.

[solemn flint]

We will see

[compact junco]

hehe, thanks for the info guys

[winged turtle]

no problem! and don't be afraid to ask questions around here, it will save you a lot of heartache

[midnight gazelle]

Honestly tho, R5C2 PE.. now that's hell

that and R4E1 Extreme

[lunar rain]

R7d1 is just annoying and long for no reason

[ocean spindle]

its such a cool level that
its so bad by the wrong reaons

[lunar rain]

i feel like it was a good concept, looking at all the parts of the level individually its good and i see what they were wanting to do but how they got everything to work together just kinda fell flat

[winged turtle]

hmm honestly? make the second big alarm a 12 not a 10, and just cut the third section and that level would be a cult classic instead of universally panned as it is.

[minor fractal]

R7D1 is fine if not for bugs

[ocean spindle]

me agrees

[winged turtle]

I mean, I love it, but if it's shorter that means less opportunities for other people to run into the bugs. At the very least.

and short of bug fixes, what are the options to improve it? While keeping its identity

[minor fractal]

Literally nothing.

Minor bug fixes should be the bare minimum.

They just don't have development resources.

[winged turtle]

then my favorite level was doomed from the start

that sucks

imma go to bed

[hidden ridge]

I found out that the "looking for chill people" sometimes in LFG just means "I'm either cheating or doorglitching"

[wooden osprey]

oof

[limpid viper]

What's a good level to practise taking out giants solo?

[vagrant heart]

R2B2, the first zone has only giant sleepers

[tropic vine]

if you have it unlocked r7c3

[limpid viper]

Thanks!

[solemn flint]

mostly

because they dont want to be destroyed

by the power of 100 billions sun

[soft crater]

[past mesa]

Recently there has been an influx of these players

[winged turtle]

were they always there? and since they are the hardest stuck they are the only ones left?

[past mesa]

Idk but it is annoying having to watch my buds ammo counts

[past mesa]

But I have had to team kill so many more people recently

[craggy pier]

Me when I join chinese drg lobbies

[winged turtle]

rip and tear mon frère, until it is done.

[jagged shore]

ohey moose lol, hope the practice is going/went well

[limpid viper]

Hey 😂 I couldn't get it down with the hammer, but doing it with the spear is so much easier

[jagged shore]

ahh rip lol
careful though, there's a decent number of people here who aren't big fans of spear :p

[limpid viper]

Ehh it seems to be pretty similar to the hammer for most stuff

[jagged shore]

yeah, i think the main issue people have with it here is, since you can't charge with it it's not good for active combat?
i could be wrong though
if you like it then go for it lol

[ocean spindle]

it also uses stamina shovin and does less base damage :]

but its nice for learnin

[lunar rain]

You can also use shift plus a direction to sort of dodge to bait out a swing, but I think you might already know that

[ocean spindle]

do u mean the
dodge mechanic that isnt there anymore or am i gettin it wrong

[jagged shore]

i mean, it's there
it's just severely neutered

[winged turtle]

no sprinting for active combat, and no sprinting to clutch stealth kills when long range aggro does you dirty

[low willow]

the spear would be alright if it didn't take away my ability to schmoove

[past mesa]

no

it very much isnt

[past mesa]

no stagger

is the big one

[low willow]

i still find it very funny that the spear loses stagger multi as you charge it

[limpid viper]

Guess I'll play with it some and see if I like it

[winged turtle]

unfortunately the hammer is enough and better than the other three that you should probably stick with it just to get practice with it.

[ocean spindle]

except the bat cause praise the bat :]c

ik im in the wrong but i never lost a chance praisin the bat

[low willow]

well, I find knife to be pretty fun but impractical. haven't used bat but seeing how it's somewhat similar i'd imagine it to be more or less the same in that regard

[glad grove]

hey wahts a good main weapon thats ammo efficent for close combat stuff

[soft crater]

PDW/Pistol

[vague bridge]

thats just not true

[winged turtle]

there are a couple, i think hel revolver is main, carbine is a classic, without starting a tier list discussion the burst and penetrating weapons are good

[soft crater]

Well maybe not pdw.

Hammer is just good old reliable

[ocean spindle]

hey

[winged turtle]

i hear pdw good. i haven't trued it myself

[ocean spindle]

machinepistol

machinepistol is literally aggresive close quarters combat with high ammo efficiency

:D

[winged turtle]

theres another one!

[ocean spindle]

also pdw is nice i just dont like the sight but its nice

[soft crater]

I mainly said maybe not because "ammo efficent" but yeah PDW is the best full auto technically outside of it needing to be close range

[ocean spindle]

best main full auto

[soft crater]

K

[winged turtle]

try em all, you aren't getting your money's worth if you don't.
and most weapons are good in about the same engagement range, barring obvious execptions

[ocean spindle]

yeh

try all the weapons

[vague bridge]

also hel shotgun

especially if youre up against a crowd

[soft crater]

I've almost always used Hel shotgun as like a support staggering groups / otherwise killing them myself

[ocean spindle]

i like hel shottie when playin bots but the reload can b pain to balance dependin on ur secondary

[vague bridge]

its just always a nice go-to when you get overwhelmed

which is practically the point of main

[ocean spindle]

sometimes :]
i wouldnt go to dmr if im overwhelmed

[vague bridge]

well sometimes it is flip flopped

[soft crater]

Imo. PDW shoots like a machine pistol but with slightly better damage compared to AR

Machine pistol is more accurate in terms of hip fire and etc from my experiences though

[ocean spindle]

for me, pdw is a more serviceable and hip fire smg, but between the machinepistol and it, i dont use it the same ways

im way more aggresive with the pistol

[soft crater]

Machine pistol does have 50rds

If my memory is correct

With a fast reload

[vague bridge]

most expeditions aren't cqc heavy with the right equipment anyway

and the one or two that do get up close you can just knife

[glossy vigil]

Are there weapons that can be unlocked :)? Or do we already have everything unlocked in the beginning?

[winged turtle]

the only progression in this game is your skill (:

[glossy vigil]

Thanks :)

[ocean spindle]

o‿o

[winged turtle]

||also unlocking levels and cosmetics but if that is your goal in this game you will take unhealthy shortcuts and stunt your growth||

[ocean spindle]

no one
like
fights for a cosmetic

[winged turtle]

you'd think

desperate people do desperate things

[ocean spindle]

i only want a mechanical leg and not even i would do that

[limpid viper]

Main reason I'm going with spear (for the time being at least) is because I wanna solo giants, and I can't get the hang of it with the hammer while it's no effort with the spear

[tardy ingot]

its safer in killing with spear

but hammer has more potential in actually clutching up (basically just move away to charge once you hit and start your hit while running at it)

[tardy ingot]

Also whats not true here?
Hammer is the best melee by far

The others barely have advantages but usually have big drawbacks

Knife - speedy vs smalls. Sucks vs bigger enemys
Spear - range? Yep dats it (and potentially the more straight direction), drawback. You have the spear
Bat - less upside vs smalls than knife, taps smash locks and tap stagger. Technically tap dmg to doors, with less downsides but still has a lot of em

[vague bridge]

big guys may be a weakness for the knife

but thats what a team is for

[ocean spindle]

yeah and a team its better wth 4 hammers

[main dagger]

the power of friendship is the best melee weapon

[ocean spindle]

i hate sayin it but

[vague bridge]

its really not

[ocean spindle]

hammer is best

yuck

[tropic vine]

no

[vague bridge]

id say 2 knife and 2 hammer is optimal

[tropic vine]

shush

[ocean spindle]

im sorry bat qwq

[tropic vine]

hammer good

just big skill requierment

[vague bridge]

because knife is vastly superior when it comes to smalls

[sturdy glen]

if youre good with hammer its really not that much better, the only big difference is stamina

[ocean spindle]

u can one tap shooters with hammers and thats about the same time, and occiput in strikers only needs a lil charge

so u just need to learn that

then boom u can do both bigs and smols

[tropic vine]

just the hammer if funny

[ocean spindle]

i only use hammer is i need to but even i can accept the foicts

[vague bridge]

thats a lot more situational than hammer

especially considering shooter animations hiding occiput

chain kill is just so much faster

you cannot deny it

[ocean spindle]

yeah and then u die the moment a big one appears

and big ones r even on like

A levels

[sturdy glen]

its not situational you can almost always get occi

[ocean spindle]

tru have u seen speedruns idk how the fuck they do it

but

somehow

it can b learnt i guess

[vague bridge]

ive knive melee'd big guys

[arctic marten]

you didn't do much to them

[vague bridge]

its easier with hanmer but not impossible

[sturdy glen]

nah he hit the guy 7 times with optimal placement

trust

[vague bridge]

so you aren't doomed when the big guy wakes up

[sturdy glen]

you arent doomed when you cant get occi on a shooter

[vague bridge]

(plus you have 3 other people)

[tardy ingot]

you only feel this if you:

1. melee full waves (4 hammers decimate waves aswell and well… guns)
2. you speedrun through shit and dont wanna break doors

Otherwise its a neat bonus at best

[mossy aurora]

Let coz take knife into alt r5e1

[vague bridge]

i will

[sturdy glen]

so true

[vague bridge]

and ill win

[sturdy glen]

he will outdps the giant waves

I trust

[arctic marten]

common carry L

[vague bridge]

im going to show you

except no spoilers pretty please

[sturdy glen]

theres giants (im sure this is surprising)

[mossy aurora]

Although unironically knife might be good for r4e1 if you're not shooting the reactor

[tardy ingot]

wdym. Its only needs 8 hits in the perfect scenario?

[sturdy glen]

damn did I round too generously

[noble sierra]

Stabbing shadow waves with knife is horrendously hard

[mossy aurora]

Not for coz...

[vague bridge]

practice makes perfect

[tardy ingot]

its 49,5 and then 7 times 11 (6 1/2 technically, but cant hit a „half“ time )

[sturdy glen]

oh fuck I thought precision was 2 for a sec

math fail

[tardy ingot]

still
theres even been videos where stealth clear with hammer vs knife is barely different if you use hammer optimally

its just when you full sprint

and hammer just absolutely dominates

1. any kind of big
2. any kind of charger
3. any kind of scout

[ocean spindle]

skill knife issue :D

[sturdy glen]

moms

[vague bridge]

charger scouts are the only thing i cant see knife doing

[arctic marten]

knife as ass against charger alarms

[tardy ingot]

2 hammer 2 knife basically trades a minimal extra power vs smalls for absolute worse giant clearing. So many funny situations where the just gotta wait and hope

[tardy ingot]

hammer can easily 1 or 2 tap

knife players scream when they see 2 awake chargers

[vague bridge]

not really

[arctic marten]

duuh, its a horror game

[vague bridge]

2 players is sufficient for big chargers

i mean big strikers

sorry guys

[tardy ingot]

ah yes let me… 6-12 hit the 2 chargers with my knife

bbcs are even worse if you have knifes

[sturdy glen]

2 big strikers at most

and thats assuming youre all together

well

[tardy ingot]

you can technically do 3 if the knife players limb break together perfectly in sync

[sturdy glen]

I would love to see that ngl

[tardy ingot]

but just… take 4 hammers and 3 giants is a meme

[vague bridge]

im assuming the room isnt awake

[sturdy glen]

who gives a fuck then lmao

why would you ever compare knife in stealth

stealth is kinda just whatever when were talking speed

[vague bridge]

the room full of giants

because 4 hammers is overkill against the slumberer

[tardy ingot]

Safety net
Able to deal and stagger a potential second for follow up

[winged turtle]

you run faster with a medipack too don't you

[tardy ingot]

knife is fun and has a niche

[sturdy glen]

if a second wakes up are the knives gonna run over and show the other a good ol bri ish time

or

[tardy ingot]

4 hammer still best outside of fringe cases

[vague bridge]

only against a giant

[sturdy glen]

knife IS good I dont think anyone will disagree there but its not better than sledge

[arctic marten]

some day they will make the other melees good so i can have fun

but not today

[vague bridge]

but its not impossible at all

[winged turtle]

thats a low bar lol

[vague bridge]

its also a lot easier than youd expect

[tardy ingot]

chargers, scouts, (all other giants), shadows

also mom, dad and snatcher (lol)

Slightly worse vs strikers

only real huge advantage is shooters for knife

[vague bridge]

scouts are peasy with the knife

[mossy aurora]

Knife also hard countered by bash lock

Imagine having to full charge twice

[vague bridge]

also better for strikers

I'm going to pretend i didnt read the other things

and shadows are easy

[tardy ingot]

ah yeah. Just ignore 80% of all enemy types

[sturdy glen]

this is the part where we stop talking I think

[vague bridge]

because i don't know what they are

[tardy ingot]

also scouts are worse for knife than hammer in the same way strikers are for hammer vs knife

[vague bridge]

and id like to not get spoiled on them

[winged turtle]

Darkeva, who was it that was talking about the run from the 4th code in R7E1 and was saying they could do it in 20 seconds if they were holding a medipack?

[tardy ingot]

sgx

[winged turtle]

phew, different guy

[minor fractal]

I'm still of the opinion that knife is redundant in 80-90% of stealth just because excessively large clusters are fairly rare.

Most of your stealth slowdown is going to be travelling and controlling glows.

[tardy ingot]

and with 4 skilled hammers playerd you can easily do clusers of 8+

[vague bridge]

slow and steady doesn't win the race

[mossy aurora]

R3C1 resource zone be like....

[vague bridge]

and my team only has 2 players

[sturdy glen]

I still love that zone

it was such a treat opening it up blind

[minor fractal]

2 players with hammers can clear pretty damn fast if they understand the stealth mechanics.

Hell, if you only have 2 people, knife is automatically bad.

[vague bridge]

but 1 hammer 1 knife is also a good balance

i dont see how

[tardy ingot]

occi

using back dmg

you dont need to full charge all the time you know?

[sturdy glen]

you dont need to full charge ever

[minor fractal]

Only one person being able to deal with giants is pretty spooky, especially given how much easier duo giants is vs. solo giants.

[sturdy glen]

I wish giants wouldnt spin when I take out their arm, makes solo so much harder

[tardy ingot]

its still good to do since 20 dmg is a huge breakpoint

[vague bridge]

if it makes you feel better i can totally help out the next time we stealth a giant

[sturdy glen]

(yeah im exaggerating, it is useful but not "necessary")

[minor fractal]

Also, in my experience, knife is kind of bad for forced aggro, and I'd argue that's one of the most important strategies for getting through stealth quickly or picking off annoying enemies.

[sturdy glen]

ive kinda given up here if you couldnt tell

[arctic marten]

i think they should give knife a thermal sight

[tardy ingot]

duo giant
takes 2 seconds, easy af. Can be done in sleep

removes hammer for knife. Suddenly takes twice as long and means you either gotta get a slow wake up occi hit or risk wake up

[minor fractal]

Solo giants also requires a fuckton of movement to pull off.

[vague bridge]

are we playing the same game

[minor fractal]

Duo or trio you don't have to move much at all.

[tardy ingot]

theres a tech where you pre hit where the enemy will look that you aggro while spriting at it

needs knowledge of the enemy stance tho

[sturdy glen]

coz have you seen good hammer play before

it sounds like you havent

(like actually, this isnt meant to be mean or anything)

[vague bridge]

maybe

[arctic marten]

u should watch me im #1 gtfo player

[tardy ingot]

basicaly
Knife and hammer stealth speed are very similar on smalls

hammer is safer and can actually deal with all other enemys well

and the more slots (players) you have the more do the hammers just add up in small clearing power

[minor fractal]

If you want the faster charge, you can just play bat as well.

[vague bridge]

god no

[minor fractal]

Not as fast as knife, but still quite fast while getting rid of almost every downside.

[tardy ingot]

reducing* every downside

[minor fractal]

Reduces some, gets rid of others.

[sturdy glen]

ok but heres the real shit, CAN you hit enemies behind you with knife

[minor fractal]

Being able to break a giant limb at all is a big deal

Having no precision reliance is a big deal.

[vague bridge]

i mean i can turn around

[winged turtle]

scout kills while looking at the ceiling

this is the real test of quality

[tardy ingot]

Smash locks

[vague bridge]

its only two hits

[tardy ingot]

Scout kill while scout is looking at you

[tardy ingot]

2 full charge vs tap

[sturdy glen]

I wonder if bat can do back hits

it might not have enough range

[vague bridge]

unless youre on a time limit i don't don't see the issue with waiting

[minor fractal]

Same goes for smalls

[vague bridge]

or if you are on a time limit you can trigger tentacles

and then loop around it

[winged turtle]

if you release at the exact right second as you soft collision through a scout, you can get the oci "from the front"

[tardy ingot]

i mean id still rank 2nd overall due to its niche actually being one

bat is like the weird mix of hammer and knife.
And spear lol… a meme

but in the end, 4 hammer is gonna be the best in 9/10 scenarios

[tardy ingot]

having to play around your weapon cuz it doesnt work in that scenario that happens around 50% of the time … is what i call a weakness

[tardy ingot]

Client ping moment

[vague bridge]

it does work in that scenario

[winged turtle]

it probably is doomed to be a shoulder hit

[vague bridge]

when the scout tentacles

you can walk to its behind

[tardy ingot]

uses time and space

having to work around the scout position

hammer goes BRRRR

[winged turtle]

wait, does bat swing horizontally or vertically?

[minor fractal]

Hammer you can skip a lot of information gathering and clearing and just go for riskier kills.

[vague bridge]

hammer charges slow and steady

[minor fractal]

Horizontally, afaik it, knife, and spear all have the exact same base hitbox.

[sturdy glen]

huh

[tardy ingot]

hammer chargers in 1.8 sec dude

and the only situation where that actually comes in as a negative (smalls) you can occi or head/back tap them

[sturdy glen]

ive used bat like 2 times so I did not know that

[vague bridge]

also i dont see how a time loss of a single to a couple seconds matters beyond speedruns

[tardy ingot]

havent used it, but feels like bat is a slightly angled horizontal swing?

[sturdy glen]

coz thats been your whole argument

[tardy ingot]

^^^^^^

[sturdy glen]

what is your reasoning behind knife being better

[winged turtle]

[sturdy glen]

please repeat it

[minor fractal]

Time loss of a couple seconds is literally what knife is all about

[vague bridge]

killing smalls faster makes me feel better

[minor fractal]

and only in cases of 4+ enemies being near each other.

[tardy ingot]

What knife has over hammer
Slight speed vs smalls

„I dont see how speed of a second or so matters“

[winged turtle]

feel

[arctic marten]

i think its the principle that hammer will get you the same result, but faster, making knife a straignt downgrade

[sturdy glen]

im gonna go to chik fil a you guys have fun

[winged turtle]

thank you

we can pack up mow

[winged turtle]

mee too!

[vague bridge]

yeah

i like feeling good in video games

[tardy ingot]

send me some

once it arrives i should be able to eat again

[minor fractal]

Coz, you're pivoting.

[winged turtle]

ray don't

[arctic marten]

i actually agree that knife feels better, but this wasnt your original argument

[winged turtle]

we landed the plane

[vague bridge]

it wasnt?

[winged turtle]

BHAHAHAHAHA

[minor fractal]

You've all but lost the convo about optimization, so now you want to instead talk about game feel and what you want to play.

[winged turtle]

no

no it wasn't

[vague bridge]

ok sorry

im wrong

[winged turtle]

"2 hammer 2 knife is optimal"

[tardy ingot]

Yep you said 2 hammer 2 knife most optimals

[ocean spindle]

we WON

[celebratory music]

[tardy ingot]

wheat

[winged turtle]

anyway, Eva, what's your Chick-fil-A order?

[ocean spindle]

[vague bridge]

i don't see how it isnt though

[winged turtle]

But at what cost?

[ocean spindle]

oh chicken i would love some rn

[ocean spindle]

time

:]

[tardy ingot]

Ive never eaten chick fil a (never seen one where i live yet)

just get me anything kinda spicy

[ocean spindle]

a bag with ghost peppers

got it

[winged turtle]

perfect! Hopefully you like damp fried chicken

[tardy ingot]

I mean its better than lukewarm soup

fuck my life

[winged turtle]

ruff bud

what kind of soup tho

[vague bridge]

i dont eat chicken so im gonna pop out

[arctic marten]

if you want good fried chicken, don't go to chick-fil-a to find it

[tardy ingot]

well tbf, i had potato püree and special sauce my dad made today (while im visiting) absolute banger

[tardy ingot]

People say the same about tacos and taco bell

Yet i rly wanna try taco bell

[ocean spindle]

as a mexican taco bell just offends me

/lh

[arctic marten]

it should

[ocean spindle]

yes
fuck hard shell american tacos

[arctic marten]

as a tastbud-having individual, it offends me too

[winged turtle]

And once you can acknowledge that American food is all its own, and if you want authentic anything, you're not getting it from an Americanized version, Taco Bell is great!

If you want to eat corporate smoosh, that he's sort of like something you can recognize, it's delicious!

[tardy ingot]

im from europe

the closest thing to america fucking up food ive eaten is mcdonalds and burgers

[ocean spindle]

i want to eat food

[tardy ingot]

^

same

id like to not slurp

[ocean spindle]

good food if i can too

idek how u eat one of those things

[tardy ingot]

hm?

[ocean spindle]

a folded soft taco is much better to grab

ah right this is gtfo questions

ah

[sturdy glen]

Had taco bell for lunch lmfao

[ocean spindle]

woops

[tardy ingot]

At least i still got my döner that you people dont seem to eat

[sturdy glen]

That was NOT meant to be laughing at you

Im realizing how mean that sounded now

[ocean spindle]

lmao

u offended MEE /j

[winged turtle]

This is the trade-off unique, you live in a country where bakeries are within walking distance, but there's no Circle K open 24 hours a day day

[ocean spindle]

the fucks circle K

[winged turtle]

Also, what kind of food is that?

[tardy ingot]

all food talk is hell for me rn

i cant eat solid food until at least next wednesday

[winged turtle]

Gas station, that serves hotdogs and donuts all day every day

[tardy ingot]

google döner

[ocean spindle]

AAAHAHAHA- sorry :]
ill send u
a smoothie of tacos

sound good

[ocean spindle]

... yeah we have those but the other version, an Oxxo

[tardy ingot]

my dad made that joke with steak already

6 times

dad humor

[ocean spindle]

i bet it was delicious

[winged turtle]

it is because of a surgery?

[ocean spindle]

its an extreme diet

/j

[tardy ingot]

he made me his homemade spicy sauce

[tardy ingot]

4 wisdom teeth out

[ocean spindle]

waaaaoh

[tardy ingot]

anyway. I got a legit bucketlist of food im making for when i can eat

i miss chewing lol

[winged turtle]

ooph

[ocean spindle]

i was thinkin of a joke with fake teeth but the more i think about it the more horrible it sounds

so yeah i- hope u can

soon

:]

im gonna backtrack slowly out of here

[tardy ingot]

im happy i have basically no pain tho

just hoping it heals well and i have no complications

ive heard so many fucked up stories

[winged turtle]

also! We do have that here, but there are just very few of them. I've had it a couple times

[tardy ingot]

of people suffering in pain

[winged turtle]

döner

[tardy ingot]

where you from again

[winged turtle]

United States, near California

[ocean spindle]

hehe american :]

sorry KSMDKMSD

had to

comedy wins me over

[tardy ingot]

döner is probably one of the most common fast food items here

like obviously burger/pizza exist

but döner is soo common

[ocean spindle]

Doner kebab (UK: /ˈdɒnər kɪˈbæb/, US: /ˈdoʊnər kɪˈbɑːb/; Turkish: döner or döner kebap, pronounced [dœˈnæɾ ceˈbap]), also spelled döner kebab, is a type of kebab, made of meat cooked on a vertical rotisserie.[1] Seasoned meat stacked in the shape of an inverted cone is turned slowly on the rotisserie, next to a vertical cooking element.
the vertical rostisserie is used here too

for tacos

so nice

[winged turtle]

Chicken wings probably take the number three slot past burgers and pizza over here

Are usually have that on a euro or something

[ocean spindle]

nom
we only eat that wen football or somethin

[sturdy glen]

chicken the best meat fr

[tardy ingot]

its interesting to me

cuz kebap refers to the meat afaik

but the sick part of the döner is the mix of meat, bread and sauce + salad

[tardy ingot]

chicken wings are decently rare

the spots are usually kfc (decently rare) and when its sold in burger joints. Tho one of my fav places (irish pub) has some banger ones

to keep some gtfo talk

that buffalo sauce there so good it would make even the burst cannon blush

[ocean spindle]

me wants to go to a bar n get drunk idk why its an impulse i guess
...
uh
smg

[sturdy glen]

nice save

[ocean spindle]

theres an irish kind of bar near me but i dont trust it

[ocean spindle]

thank u

[tardy ingot]

anyway

2am gotta go

now ill definetly not suffer from food dreams

[ocean spindle]

skill food issue :D

goodnight

[sturdy glen]

adios

[tropic vine]

wholesome :>

[ocean spindle]

fuck

[tropic vine]

what?

[ocean spindle]

not wholesome word

fuck

[tropic vine]

YOU INSIFNIFACIT FUCK! I'LL SMOTHER YOU WITH THE MOST COFMY CHAir

and ultrakill funny

:£

*:3

[ocean spindle]

so u not wholesome anymore nice my evil plans keep bein good
anyways im goin to general cause this is still gtfo questions

so heres the questions

whats the longest GTFO level

ever

[tropic vine]

D:<

[tropic vine]

for me r7d1

[latent obsidian]

Maybe R5D1

[minor fractal]

Between R5D1 and R5E1 I think.

[ocean spindle]

if taken with the crouch sneakin

how long would it b

like
3 hours?

mayb 4

??

[tropic vine]

for what level?

[ocean spindle]

the ones they said

:b

[latent obsidian]

I never beat it in the end but our attempts were probably taking around 2 hours to get really far in on r5d1

[tropic vine]

ah

never played them

[sturdy glen]

not looking forward to that level

[past mesa]

R7c3 has 30 mins of waiting

[minor fractal]

All wave defenses technically waiting.

[past mesa]

Also r2d2 is hard to get below 40

[minor fractal]

Ah, do you mean speedrun-wise?

R5E1 is def not too long.

Dunno about R5D1 w/ Sec, don't think anyone ever ran it.

[past mesa]

Yeah long levels I always consider them in terms of how short can I make them

[ocean spindle]

i guess

fair enough

then for u what would b the longest

[past mesa]

R2d2

A reactor will always take long

[ocean spindle]

n that b the longest

great for my one hour limit on geforce now

but ah well

[past mesa]

Maybe r4

Or r5 e1

[civic wave]

r4e1 my beloved

r5e1 if you're doing cell skip should be around an hour tops

[ocean spindle]

me not know both

[sturdy glen]

r4e1 extreme is still less than r2d2 somehow

for speedrun

[civic wave]

full blown speedrun definitely, casual but fast run you're probably still looking at at least 1h20m

I wonder if 10cc will add a key to disinfect zone in alt r5e1 to remove cell skip from the game (would be silly if they did)

[minor fractal]

Speedrun time was like 15-25 minutes, I don't remember exactly.

[sturdy glen]

fastest I know of is fireblades 24, idk if theres been any improvement since r5 died

[past mesa]

There has a little

But they don’t count just another reason I don’t like rundowns

Wait actually did Peter and Robert beat r5 faster

[tall sleet]

What’s the best loadouts to beat Alt 1 solo w/ bots

[minor fractal]

Hard to go wrong w/ Burst Rifle + Machinegun (Veruta) on bots.

[ocean spindle]

about ur loadout pretty much
all weapons
since its the first lvl n bots
but

since bots normally have automatic weapons

u could use somethin a bit more powerful for the big guys in there

[ocean spindle]

how u unlock the gtfo steam tradin carts

[arctic marten]

trade

[tropic vine]

pretty sure you can also get them from just playing the game

[ocean spindle]

idk ive been playin a while idk if i have to do sumn specific or they just

random

rng

[tropic vine]

some how my brother has 2 cards and he's played the game for like 30 mins

wtf

[ocean spindle]

i got two too

the normal lil one n the big one

[jagged shore]

you can get about half of the number of cards available in ANY steam game just from playing, but after that you need either, like, booster packs, or just trading them

[verbal zinc]

Video?

[past mesa]

na i was wrong

you still have fastest

confused r4 and r5

[last gyro]

Do I have to have beaten every other level to access E tier?

[low willow]

Yeah, but if someone else has it unlocked you can just join their lobby

[last gyro]

well out of my friends I'm the most progressed...

but thanks for the answer, guess I'll have to start dragging them in more often

[tropic vine]

Yea, your reward for beating brutal levels is a more difficult level

[hidden ridge]

There's something I probably already asked but, does using a fog rep BEFORE Mother deploys the fog repels her fog?

Because I remember trying that on R5D1 Extreme and dooming the run since the fog didnt dispel

[vagrant heart]

It does, at least now. I usually throw one or two at the end of R3D1, before the mother is awake. Once the mother deploys the fog, it is repelled in the area.

[solemn flint]

i mean

grandma is usually ded before the for repeller start working

and we would usually use the bio so

its help, but before it can help, everything is ded

[weak root]

how do you kick people (or bots) as the host

once my group didn't realize that the bot instead of getting out of the hydrostasis unit from the dropper he instead just said nope and went back up to the surface, leaving us three to complete the level and softlocking us cause security doors

the bot was like 500 meters away once we figured out what happened

[hidden ridge]

you cant kick actual players

Regarding bots, host presses ESC, locks the slot the bot is in, then puts it bot only or players/bots again

[hidden ridge]

I've seen that happen to players but not to a bot

[violet prawn]

Are rundowns ever going to reset again or will all progress be kept now?

[ocean spindle]

all progress is forever

[violet prawn]

is there a difference in difficulty based on the amount of players on your squad?

[arctic marten]

no, there is no difficulty scaling

the fewer players you have, the harder its going to be

[low willow]

if you're down a player you can use a bot for the most part, they're a little silly sometimes so i wouldn't recommend them for E tier and it's better to just have a full team of players

but if you're absolutely set on playing without 4 players, you can bring bots to even the odds a little with some more firepower and extra tools

[meager obsidian]

ive got a question about the "precision damage" on weapons
ive been looking at the gtfo wiki and it has precision multi which i understand but then it has another stat dubbed precision damage and i cant seem to figure out what that means
can anyone help me out?

[heady moat]

okay so when hitting an enemy's weakpoint, it will multiply the weapon's precision damage by the enemy's weakpoint multiplier to see how much damage it deals.

[meager obsidian]

ohhhhhh

thank you so much

[heady moat]

weakpoint damage = raw damage * precision multiplier * weakpoint multiplier

[meager obsidian]

i see

[heady moat]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Precision_Multiplier

most weapons have a precision multiplier below 1x, barring the Precision Rifle (1.35x) and the Sniper Rifle (2.0025)

anywho imma go fix that infobox to include a link to that page 😤

[meager obsidian]

alright ty for the help

[heady moat]

(also if you're wondering about the bullet cost stuff and the decimals in the ammo counts, there's a full explanation/unhinged rant in the ammopack article)

[meager obsidian]

gotcha

you read my mind

[heady moat]

I only added that explanation a few hours ago

[heady moat]

yes!

anywho links to the explanations for bullet cost/precision multiplier/stagger multiplier have been added

[low willow]

the bullpup rifle is another exception to precision below 1, as it has a precision multiplier of exactly 1

not sure about every other weapon, but i know that one

[minor fractal]

Bullpup, pump shotty, choke mod shotty.

all 1

[low willow]

huh, wouldn't have expected pump shotgun. choke mod i can sorta see though

[minor fractal]

It's more there's no reason to lower them for breakpoints, and they should be good for bosses.

[neon gust]

Can we pls stop ignoring smg

Can we buff it in r4

Just slap pdw damage to it

Move o.

Its been 2 years

[minor fractal]

Automatic weapons aren't allowed to be good.

[ocean spindle]

im sorry machinepistol disagrees

[heady moat]

The SMG has a slightly larger magazine and is capable of dealing slightly more damage in total than the PDW assuming that both you and the PDW user only hit weakpoints and never miss the weakpoints with every single bullet 🙏

(but yeah the SMG definitely needs a bit of tweaking to give it a proper use case)

[ocean spindle]

its use case is being awesome haha am i right

no?

ok

[minor fractal]

Using SMG for the mom, huge strat.

[heady moat]

well, the use case is 'you want to deal slightly more precision damage in total than you would with the PDW also you are incapable of missing weakpoints'

[sturdy glen]

isnt pdw still more

or do you mean per mag

[heady moat]

SMG deals barely more total precision damage (per mag and per 100% ammo) than PDW

[sturdy glen]

(also not a great metric since weak points break early anyways)

yeah pdw has more per refill

[minor fractal]

They appear to be almost exactly equal.

[sturdy glen]

ye

its barely a diff for weakpoints but the diff between no weakpoint is big

[heady moat]

665 for SMG, 659 for PDW (total precision damage)

[ocean spindle]

waw

meanhile machinepistol 777

[minor fractal]

Also, PDW has better DPS p sure

[ocean spindle]

[heady moat]

And the fancy sight

[sturdy glen]

ye

so anyways, carb-

[heady moat]

slower reload 😤

[low willow]

true, they should buff carbine again to address this

[solemn flint]

smg its what it suppose to be

a short range spray and pray machine

[heady moat]

Change bullet cost to 1.306818181818 or 1.292134831460 😤

[solemn flint]

Is that just another way of saying more ammo?

[past mesa]

Carbine needs another buff

[low willow]

The first number would be less ammo, I think

[solemn flint]

Yea and also nah for carbone

[heady moat]

3 more or 1 less 😇

[low willow]

Oh yeah it's always bothered me how full ammo is not a multiple of the burst

Same with burst rifle

[heady moat]

I found out about bullet costs and it made me realise that there's even more maths behind the awkward ammo numbers than I first realised

[low willow]

Yeah I had a field day trying to figure out what was going on with them until it finally clicked that the mag isn't counted

And I've got more field days with bullet costs ahead of me

[heady moat]

Check the ammopack page on the wiki 😇

[mossy aurora]

that same thing can happen with machine gun, assault rifle, and even dmr

😔

[heady moat]

Yes it's mathematically designed to be awkward af

It's all awkward numbers that aren't factors of each other.

[low willow]

Not gonna help, I'm replacing the values (and also the max ammo to make ammopacks closer to balanced between main/special) for a mod I'm trying to make

[past mesa]

Just don’t shoot your gun

You won’t have to deal with it

[mossy aurora]

imagine if reloading sniper sometimes gave u 2/3

[heady moat]

Formulae is up there

[past mesa]

Please

[low willow]

Every gun should be able to reload 1 bullet short, even if it doesn't make sense for what kind of gun it is (revolvers, for example)

[past mesa]

I wish every time I reload the burst cannon I got 21

[low willow]

Yeah I've already figured everything out I'm just lazy and haven't gotten around to calculating the required bullet costs

[mossy aurora]

sawed off reloading to 2/3 as well

😬

[past mesa]

So I could burst cancel

[low willow]

Appreciate the attempt but I've already bashed my head against a wall looking at the datablocks for long enough to figure it out

[heady moat]

understandable have a nice maths

[dreamy patrol]

What dose it take to kill the scouts one shot i think its the sniper but im not sure

[low willow]

Plenty of weapons can, especially if you're behind the scout

For one shot to the head from any angle: Sledgehammer, Spear, Sniper, Precision Rifle, Shotgun, Choke Mod Shotgun, HEL Rifle, High Caliber Pistol, Burst Cannon
For one shot to the back of the head, you can also kill with Knife, Bat, HEL Gun, Revolver
Those are just the ones I know for sure, some others may be able to kill to the back of the head in one hit. It also doesn't count guns that can fire fast enough to kill a scout in multiple hits before it screams

The regular shotgun is a little iffy though because of the spread

[soft crater]

while sniper can kill a scout. it's such overkill on normal scouts

[low willow]

yeah it's a little excessive

without back damage you'd be doing approx 240 damage out of the 42 needed

[jovial pasture]

explain him about charger and shadow scouts too

[arctic marten]

where is pouncer scout

[soft crater]

where is R2E1 statistics ?

[low willow]

shadow scouts are the same mathematically, they are just harder to see (aim for where the tentacles split)

[soft crater]

WHO ARE YOU

[low willow]

charger scouts however are much harder to deal with because of the lack of head weak spot and increased health

[soft crater]

60hp

[arctic marten]

sorry, forgot to change back after trolling

i mean helping

[soft crater]

[low willow]

sniper, shotgun, choke mod, HEL rifle can all still do it to the back, choke mod can do it very easily from anywhere because of the high rate of fire

[soft crater]

uses big iron and dead eyes the charger scouts back 3x

[jovial pasture]

what about xplosions? mine it xD

[low willow]

a mine can't kill a charger scout

[jovial pasture]

2-3 mines can

[soft crater]

2 mines

[low willow]

yeah but

at that point you're wasting a lot of resources compared to say 1 shotgun shell

[soft crater]

mines especially are useful for other things

[arctic marten]

finally figured out what tripmine damage boosters are for

[soft crater]

like killing myself with them*

[low willow]

tripmine damage boosters are for overkilling babies

[soft crater]

imeanwut

[jovial pasture]

it depends on spawn...especially if you dont need mines anymore

plus can save some hp

[low willow]

i would argue that every current level (aside from maybe R3D1 haven't thought too hard about that ever) you can't or shouldn't

[jovial pasture]

i know, but why not? xplosions is fun xD

[arctic marten]

alt r6d2 is gonna go so hard when i get the sextuple charger scout mine kill

[low willow]

R7C3 you can't (unless you bring tool ammo booster)
R7C2ovl tool always feels pretty tight especially at the end
R7E1... don't bring mines to R7E1 for your own sake, plus they're in stealth heavy section

[low willow]

real

[spare halo]

R7E1 needs more Dakka

[soft crater]

disposable mines spawn in pretty often as well. in which there aren't many areas you need them anyhow

R7E1*

[low willow]

still not a great idea to use them on the charger scouts

since you'd have to find 2 or risk a useless booster

[arctic marten]

what about glue mine deployer

[jovial pasture]

it can be worth only if no guns, somehow forgot about foam and dont want to shoot wave

and scout is alone

anyway, never used it

[soft crater]

Make sawed off fire faster

so I can kill charger scouts with it

[low willow]

pretty sure you can already?

23.6dmg x2 from back damage means 2 shots needed

you get about half a second to finish it off from your first shot and it has 200rpm which is over 3 shots per second

as long as you don't mistime your clicks it should be able to (unless you miss a bunch of pellets or are past falloff range)

[soft crater]

I was sure it fired just slow enough you couldn't get the second shot in

unless I'm just skill issued

[low willow]

the high caliber pistol has a fire rate of 133.33rpm and is able to shoot twice

anything above 120rpm can shoot twice

at least in theory

[soft crater]

I suppose technically around R6 time frame

desync was everywhere

cri

[low willow]

in practice it can be difficult because, using hical as an example where it fires around every 0.45s, you now have a 0.05s window to land that second shot

[solemn flint]

the rifle can kill scout before it wake up i think so, u just need to aim for the back of the head,

[soft crater]

double occi shot

yes

just like how DMR/Hel revo can 1 occi and 1 back shot normal scouts

[soft crater]

the damage profile is similar to Heavy AR so it can double occi as well

hmm

one second I'm gonna test smth

ok. that is kinda funny

technically speaking. burst rifle and carbine can also kill normal scouts to the occi

[solemn flint]

i actually expected burst weapon able to kill scout

if u think about it, scout have slow reaction time

"Right after the scream, the Scout will be stunned on the ground for a few seconds, before becoming vulnerable again and aggressive"

a few second means alot

if we have the fomular total damage dealt= precision bonus x multiply damage x weapon base damage

scout have 42 health

divide by 6 because occoult have 6x multiplay

techniclly u only need a gun that can deal 7 damage with no multiply damage part in a few second

anything with burst can output damage quick

if im not stupid at math, both carbine and burst rifle u can shoot 2 burst in 1 second

which deal more than enough damage needed

if u dont miss and can control the burst recoil then yes

[low willow]

you only get half a second or so though, definitely not a full second

[tardy ingot]

gotta remember that most prec multis lower the dmg on crits below that 6x

also scouts arent staggered for a full second

[solemn flint]

hmm

so u need something that have enough damage to stagger the scout in order for it not to scream right?

[tardy ingot]

the stagger isnt long

you should probably still be able to just occi spam shoot with carbine

Issue is hitting all bullets

[craggy pier]

can we buff burst cannon, I think if should be 30 dmg per bullet with 25 meters range and 40 mag with 100 reserve, maybe it might actually be useful then

[minor fractal]

Tbh, Burst Cannon's current stats are better suited for a Main weapon.

Maybe they can rework the Carbine?

[solemn flint]

yeyyy, carbine rework

a frecking sky shreading machine

[heady moat]

nah, reduce bullet cost to 3.83 🙏

[ocean spindle]

buff machinepistol

[grave osprey]

hellooo,
How many hits does it take to kill one of the tall monsters?

big striker I think they are called

[tropic vine]

it depends on the weapon you use and where hit them

[grave osprey]

melee

[tardy ingot]

it depends on which melee and where you hit them

[grave osprey]

which melee weapon is best? Where should I hit them?

and not only me, but my squad

sneak attack

[tardy ingot]

hammer
From behind (rough explanation, basically all enemies take double dmg from behind (sentries excluded)

you can kill a normal giant in 3 full charge hammer hit to the back

a 4th is obviously helpful should somebody goof

[grave osprey]

ah okok! Thanks a lot

[ocean spindle]

they go forward when u hit so yeah ive missed
tons of hits

:]

and then my health goes away

[radiant roost]

anyone else have suprisingly lower fps/ping on r2e1? im not with the best setup but usually run most levels fine, but e1 has been very hard to play cause of a lot of lag

[tardy ingot]

lower fps and … ping?

Isnt low ping good

r2e1 during surges might give you some fps drops if your setup isnt great tho i guess?

[radiant roost]

yea its mainly during the surges tbh

i meant higher ping my bad

its just an overall input lag and things arent as smooth but way more choppy

[tardy ingot]

have you tried hosting?

since the game is peer to peer

but yeah. The choppy thing happens when lots of enemies are alive and your setup cant handle it (and surges always spawn cap quickly)

[radiant roost]

I see , thanks

I'll try hosting on the next game

As I dont think we'll beat it just yet LOL

[ocean spindle]

all progress is good progress :]

[tropic vine]

unless you disconnect :>

[ocean spindle]

i said what i said

[tropic vine]

any tips on getting good with a knife?

because whenever i try and aim for the head like 6/10 times it just hits the chest or back and dosn't kill

[spark wolf]

the hitbox stays for a while so you don't have to go for a direct hit

you can aim above them and then drag it into the head

[tropic vine]

ahhh i see

thank you

[vague bridge]

practice makes perfect

the best way to get used to the knife is to play with it for a while

[covert remnant]

I'm not even that great at game but love knife.

🔪

[low willow]

knife is very fun even if it is impractical for some targets so it definitely doesn't hurt to give it a try

[arctic marten]

these things might be related

[neon gust]

gimmicky weapon doesnt perform as well as the all in 1's

more news at 10

[plain oyster]

knifes a good one to have helps to shank people pretty fast

[ocean spindle]

till u see a big one :D

[plain oyster]

thats what the snipers for 😄

[ocean spindle]

but the ammo

[plain oyster]

😦

[ocean spindle]

i need to save it if i can just bonk to death a big one ill do >:D

[plain oyster]

havent gotten good at that yet

[ocean spindle]

u will
u play with bots r humans

[plain oyster]

humans if i can

[ocean spindle]

with bots u can hit once n charge again to let the bots just kill em
if humans is a bit
easier since u can get ur team to hit at the same time

[in the back cause back is more dmg]