Definitely try to get the hang of its striker one-tap, though.
#gtfo-related-questions
minor fractal
ocean spindle
aim for tha head
all the guns with headshots work yeah
u can still bodyshot with uh the combat shotgun
but pump shotgun n chokemod for small enemies dont require the headshot
they have enough dmg to one tap em
any part of the body
minor fractal
Pump and choke both have high enough base damage that they can body shot for their value, and there's also issues w/ limb break that makes center-mass aiming superior.
CS requires headshots if you want to make the most of its ammo economy, especially its mag size.
ocean spindle
confusin words magic man
minor fractal
Not that it's terrible with bodyshots.
minor fractal
confusin words magic man
Pellet break head, all other pellets ignore.
ocean spindle
yes thats with the normal shotgun n chokeod
see
that was easier :3
even an idiot like me could comprehend it!
minor fractal
That's what I said, though.
ocean spindle
yeah but confusingly
i dont get most of those terms
but thats a me problem dont worry
thats me not being english speakin... natal... america...
yeah
that
hel gun may b distracting but its coooool
... ah hel revo
ok nevermind
yeah theres 4 hel weapons its better to specify SKDMK
but yeah hel shottie- the sight that gun has is like
the best
ever
:]
its prob my fav in the game
s q u a r e
tardy ingot
You actually „shouldnt“ depending on the gun
tho this is moreso specific for normal giants
and well… for strikers, headshots dont matter rly since you already massively overkill
hel shotgun is based
ocean spindle
it just depends on seein if u can oneshot em with a single bullet i guess
if u can then, yeah dont bother
wonder what u think of burst cannon then
hehe :]
its funks
minor fractal
Big weapon, big damage.
ocean spindle
nice but funks
but yeah use all weapons
all
all of em
every single one
all
everywhere
minor fractal
I need to start teaching random people how to brush their bursts so that they nerf it.
lusty bramble
Smg is a psyop intended to trick newer players into thinking the game is harder than it is by giving them a bad weapon
ocean spindle
good
past mesa
Smg is a psyop intended to trick newer players into thinking the game is harder ...
The evaluation loadout is good
lusty bramble
What is it
ocean spindle
yes specially cause OF THE BAT BABYYYYY
lusty bramble
Smg shotgun burst?
ocean spindle
ah yeah
past mesa
Smg shotgun burst bat
ocean spindle
exactly
ocean spindle
burst is nice
past mesa
Bye bye
past mesa
No
lusty bramble
I think it's pistol shotgun
ocean spindle
ah- in the training
lusty bramble
Because those are the first weapon id's
lusty bramble
Does heavy ar come first then?
past mesa
I think it's pistol shotgun
Pistol har
lusty bramble
Damn I was wrong
ocean spindle
Does heavy ar come first then?
yeah
wary linden
Damn I was wrong
You were right. The har just took the top of the list in r6 and it changed since then. But before r6 pump was the top of the list
ocean spindle
not anymore!
wary linden
So what are the things happening in this discord anyway nowadays
lusty bramble
Im creating my biography on rayalot
ocean spindle
u can choose em at Channels And Roles
past mesa
The same old same old
ocean spindle
in the top of the channel list
minor fractal
Im creating my biography on rayalot
_>
ocean spindle
:3
wary linden
All i've seen so far is the really empty patch notes
minor fractal
Brief spurt of debating whether BC or HEL Gun is stronger.
lusty bramble
Bc is like omelander hel gun is like butcher
ocean spindle
burst cannon ok debate ended
past mesa
We make fun of 10 chambers. Then complain about stam
ocean spindle
and i praise bat
wary linden
Brief spurt of debating whether BC or HEL Gun is stronger.
Hel gun better in most situations
past mesa
BC is insane
ocean spindle
Hel gun better in most situations
but burst cannon is stronger
hel gun is versatile
but bc is stronger
past mesa
It is just bc is a better answer to bigs and bosses with being useless to smalls
minor fractal
Other developments:
-"When R4" retired in favor of "R4 June 1"
-HEL Rifle bad.
-R3D1 new farmable level.
-AltR3 actually good???
past mesa
For good reason
ocean spindle
ehem
ocean spindle
Other developments:
-"When R4" retired in favor of "R4 June 1"
-HEL Rifle bad.
-...
b but the roles D:
ur fav melee weapon....
wary linden
The real reason PR got nerfed was because it outdmg the sniper against bosses :p
past mesa
Other developments:
-"When R4" retired in favor of "R4 June 1"
-HEL Rifle bad.
-...
New logs debate coming soon
ocean spindle
The real reason PR got nerfed was because it outdmg the sniper against bosses :p
yeah now it useless everywhere
great
ok not useless but
worse in a lot of situations
past mesa
PR best answer to shadow scouts
ocean spindle
HEY THERES A NEWIE SHUSH
wary linden
PR best answer to shadow scouts
Use your eyes and a flashlight and bonk them
ocean spindle
spoils >:b
past mesa
Use your eyes and a flashlight and bonk them
No you need to shoot all scouts. Impossible to melee them
wary linden
Or just burst canon them if you want to be lazy
minor fractal
Hel gun better in most situations
Yeah, probably. I think the main confounding factor is that HEL Gun is a generalist while BC is a specialist. It's a comparison of how absolutely dominant one is vs. how ridiculously far the other is stepping out of line.
Which is kind of hard to compare.
wary linden
Burst canon is also a jack of all trade weapon. What are you on about
ocean spindle
???
past mesa
It can do everything
wary linden
It's a jack of all trade weapon with high dmg.
Hel gun is a jack of all trade weapon with high potential with pen.
ocean spindle
i guess its the same as sayin hel gun kills giants, yes it can, but not easily
so burst cannon kills smols, but its funky doin it
minor fractal
It's a jack-of-all trades in a totally different way.
past mesa
Just give BC pen
solemn flint
Burst canon is also a jack of all trade weapon. What are you on about
burst cannon is definately not a jack of all trade gun
heavy ar can be that
revover can be that
past mesa
Sounds like a skill issue
ocean spindle
revolver idk about that
solemn flint
no
ocean spindle
revo can kil big ones but its by far not its specialty
wary linden
This man doesn't know
ocean spindle
the har is tho
wary linden
Har has more trouble killing giants then revolver
past mesa
Let’s not talk about the har
solemn flint
burst cannon is built to deal a truck load of damage in a burst
past mesa
Yeah but every bullet kills a small
minor fractal
HEL Gun is more explicitly a very versatile variation of a special HEL weapon, BC is a single-target monster that happens to have a lot of potential for being used outside of that context.
I would very much consider lining up strikers or brushing over groups of enemies to be "out of line" for how BC is statted.
Same as burst cancelling as "out of line"
ocean spindle
so i seached but defo har can deal with big ones better, it has 150 total dmg in a mag while revo doesnt go past 90, and the reload its 0.5 seconds of difference
solemn flint
i would say hel gun is a do every single job on a gun
past mesa
Yup but BC is to
wary linden
i would say hel gun is a do every single job on a gun
Boss kills is its weakness
fierce nebula
BC is insane
main issue is that it lacks ammo, which is what nerfs it
wary linden
Everything can do the job
past mesa
ammo is not an issue in a post r6 world
minor fractal
main issue is that it lacks ammo, which is what nerfs it
It lacks bursts*, it has plenty of ammo.
solemn flint
it is good enough
wary linden
You guys are running out of ammo? HOW lol
fierce nebula
why use main when BC
past mesa
You guys are running out of ammo? HOW lol
If you are playing with 4 players 3 of which have no trigger discipline and they have an aversion to using tool
It is possible
wary linden
Huh seems you didn't see me play. I shoot EVERYTHING.
Double scouts with big chargers hybrid and shit? Let me just pull that room. Idc
past mesa
why use main when BC
I wish I could run double bc
solemn flint
Huh seems you didn't see me play. I shoot EVERYTHING.
Double scouts with big ...
u really have a problem mate
unless somehow
wary linden
It's more fun that way
solemn flint
u manage to distribute ammo
ocean spindle
if u play with bots or alone ammo is a non issue
past mesa
Huh seems you didn't see me play. I shoot EVERYTHING.
Double scouts with big ...
No 100% but you also hit most of your shots
I have found pubs have a hard time doing that
wary linden
But i also only run double revolver 90% of the time for fun
ocean spindle
i cant aim
wary linden
or i guess u are a csgo player
Never played that game lol
solemn flint
valorant?
wary linden
Nope
past mesa
Very easy to have above 70% acc in this game
minor fractal
The hit game, Among Us?
ocean spindle
Very easy to have above 70% acc in this game
u havent seen me
ocean spindle
gmod and half life dont have the shooting vibe
no but with both headshots r useful
solemn flint
it is on a diffrent level
past mesa
The hit game, Among Us?
I play duck duck goose
wary linden
Duck game better
ocean spindle
i hate to say it but based
solemn flint
no but with both headshots r useful
csgo make every single shot in ur gun count
ocean spindle
csgo make every single shot in ur gun count
they already said they didnt played csgo PAY ATTENTIONS /j
minor fractal
Back in my day, gaming was homemade.
solemn flint
they already said they didnt played csgo PAY ATTENTIONS /j
i did saw that
past mesa
SGX can we get a detailed list of games you played with any rank achieved also on the list
So we can properly judge your gtfo skill
wary linden
Team fortress 2.
Halo infinite near launch for fun
L4d2
ZAT
Those are the only shooters really that i played before GTFO... Well except halo infinite that was after
Since then add DRG to the list i guess
wary linden
Edf 5 is 3rd person and is more of a clusterfuck so i dont count that
minor fractal
Since then add DRG to the list i guess
Already preparing to jump ship 😔
past mesa
Already preparing to jump ship 😔
Cyber heist is coming to pick me up
wary linden
I already am done with drg and already reached end game
minor fractal
Blue number go up
wary linden
Already carrying pubs in EDD. Quite sad
minor fractal
DRG do kinda peak early.
Small modding scene, but modded difficulty is mostly just more bugs.
I mostly play for build variety tbh.
wary linden
Swarm control is funny
Where is this mode for gtfo huh
Would be fun to crank up the cap to 50
minor fractal
Assuming UMS doesn't have it, last I heard GTFO is built in such a way that going over the cap genuinely starts fucking with their AI.
Classic GTFO design.
minor fractal
Big if true.
lusty bramble
LAG
neon gust
Would be fun to crank up the cap to 50
Just play samdown
also not advisable since the game will skip frames even more
supple gust
weary mesa
lusty bramble
Revolver already pierces
It's in the code
You can witness it in some of these solos as well
raven oar
Is combat vs choke mod shotgun preference
midnight gazelle
Choke mod is pretty versatile for scout killing, giant killing, maybe tank killing
Combat is pretty good wave clear (i think)
ocean spindle
combat is very good for clearin out smols, but combat with an occiput hit can take out scouts too
in the giant department is not, super awesome
but one mag defo downs a giant with like 8 or 10 bullets
then the chokemod has lot more range, one shots any smal from afar and kills big ones in 3 shots in the back 4 in the front
past mesa
combat is very good for clearin out smols, but combat with an occiput hit can ta...
Doesn’t need to be occiput
minor fractal
but one mag defo downs a giant with like 8 or 10 bullets
then the chokemod has l...
2 to back*
minor fractal
If you miss small amounts of damage, just switch to your main.
It's like shooting burst cannon twice at one giant.
tardy ingot
Doesn’t need to be occiput
to 1 shot it does
otherwise yea
also choke mod 2 shots giants from behind
ocean spindle
15 dmg and scout 3x in the head
so
it should
kill it
ocean spindle
... maybe the spreads the problem
minor fractal
15 * 0.88 * 3
lusty bramble
Reminder that on hit react exists primarily for host and dramatically reduces the window you have to kill a scout with multiple shots ☝️🤓
minor fractal
Just in general, almost every weapon has some kind of precision multi
ocean spindle
i forgot that existed for a moment
winged turtle
15 * 0.88 * 3
wut, the precision multiplier reduces damage?
minor fractal
wut, the precision multiplier *reduces* damage?
On some weapons, yes.
tardy ingot
it reduces the dmg on a crit
minor fractal
Usually to give them better breakpoints.
tardy ingot
it will never actually lower the dmg
minor fractal
On most weapons, actually.
tardy ingot
stuff like revo and high cal do only do like ~10% extra dmg when headshotting a giant striker
or a bit less than 50% extra on hybrids/chickens
Its also why hel revo and dmr dont 1 tap strikers
minor fractal
W/out precision, most weapons, Mains in particular, would do very low damage.
The era of 1x precision was coincidentally the era of head glitch, so it kind of compensated things/made many weapons a lot stronger than intended.
ocean spindle
The era of 1x precision was coincidentally the era of head glitch, so it kind of...
[c could u explain whats head glitch]
past mesa
I said it doesn’t have to be occiput because you can double tap back probs safer.
tardy ingot
W/out precision, most weapons, Mains in particular, would do very low damage.
huh 
i mean it would definetly buff a lot of guns
if it were gone
minor fractal
[c could u explain whats head glitch]
In R1-R3, if you destroyed a limb, it was merely visual flavor, and hitboxes remained constant no matter what, meaning you could always hit strikers in their heads.
ocean spindle
ohh
tardy ingot
I said it doesn’t have to be occiput because you can double tap back probs safer...
head is a bigger hitbox. Why not just go for doubleshot with a headshot
past mesa
In R1-R3, if you destroyed a limb, it was merely visual flavor, and hitboxes rem...
Still is the case
minor fractal
if it were gone
To be more clear, I mean if your shots to kill remained the same, the weapon damage would need to be decreased significantly.
Precision nerfs make way for damage buffs.
winged turtle
ohh, so it is technically 15 * (3 * 0.88) ?
base damage * ( crit multiplier on enemy * crit multiplier on weapon)
right?
minor fractal
Yeah.
If you body shot, you just do the flat 15 with no modifiers (besides falloff and such).
tardy ingot
dont need the () but yep
ocean spindle
every day i learn gtfo is way more complicated than i thought
past mesa
head is a bigger hitbox. Why not just go for doubleshot with a headshot
I think we have different definitions of bigger.
tardy ingot
scouts are pretty slender no?
craggy pier
tonight on gtfo-related-questions: Are scouts hot?
winged turtle
thats not a question
past mesa
These are related questions
craggy pier
I dont want to start stable diffusion to create scout-chan
winged turtle
look at them wiggle their barnacles
past mesa
I would need to measure the hot box but I be pretty sure scout back is wider
But if you go for front head it would still be good
minor fractal
Head is going to be pretty forgiving as well, since you do nearly kill it in one.
Second shot can barely glance and still kill.
white merlin
I would need to measure the hot box but I be pretty sure scout back is wider
the hot box
lusty bramble
Precision nerfs make way for damage buffs.
They eventually flipped it to high damage low precision multi to compensate for chargers
white merlin
I still need to master the melee-scout kill technique. I usually say fuck it and blast it with the sniper
lusty bramble
Which apparently was the worst thing imaginable if you ask black dragon
neon gust
Which apparently was the worst thing imaginable if you ask black dragon
i check the channel 1 time and i see you talking shit
i bet you didnt even watch jhon wick 4
lusty bramble
I know when you're about to look
lusty bramble
How could I have not watched John wick 4 when I'm on my new john wick 4 personality
neon gust
Im more of a Blade runner type of personality
vague bridge
winged turtle
I still need to master the melee-scout kill technique. I usually say fuck it and...
if you want a lot of practice i have copypasta for a good grinding spot lying around here somewhere
cold quarry
I still need to master the melee-scout kill technique. I usually say fuck it and...
jumping at them makes it easier with pretty much every weapon except the spear
However, then you don't get Big Chad status for doing it normally
jagged shore
but jumping at it looks cooler
main dagger
you can slide?!
main dagger
yes but it isnt like you think
what do you mean?
elfin phoenix
left cntrl while sprnting
past mesa
cooldown of 1.5 sec
main dagger
oh, I see
so exactly like I think, except there's a cooldown
ok
I'll give that a try next time I'm in mission, sounds fun
past mesa
well it also gets rid of your speed very quickly
it is only useful to conserve stam
and if you jumping there is no point
wooden loom
i just realised that in the little training level that the games tells you to do at the beginning, it talks about how the doors with green markers are basically checkpoints for if you fail the mission. is there a reason why i havent seen any of them in the rundowns so far?
unless i missed some, i didn't notice any in rundown 1 or 2
civic wave
They were introduced starting in Rundown 6. In the current game you will only find them in Rundown 7
wooden loom
oh
civic wave
Rundowns 1-5 were designed without checkpoints, so yea
wooden loom
that fair
tardy ingot
Adding onto this
Training was released with rundown 7 as „eval (evaluation) it being an overall tutorial level came after
meager grove
Any good strategies or just tips for the reactor part of alt R1C1?
tardy ingot
what kind of strat were you using until now (let me specifiy)
What tools/guns
Where did you set up your defense
meager grove
what kind of strat were you using until now (let me specifiy)
What tools/guns
W...
Shotgun Sentry, Burst Sentry, C-Foam at the door and in a trail toward reactor terminal, Mines placed sporadically.
I don't remember everyone's loadout but I was using heavy rifle + revolver (iirc) and sledgehammer.
Our main problem was sleepers splitting up and flanking us
ocean spindle
mhhh
see thats a problem, cfoam n mines combo doesnt do almost anythin here cause there are no doors to defend and one sleep explodes a mine
the foam only, slows em down but a sentry could kill em
and the shotgun sentry has low range, which for a level full of corridors is not great
also, different loadouts between people is very good idea, have one person with a machinegun, a revo, a har and a sniper for example
u do need something big to take down big enemies, a sniper, a chokemod shotgun, hel rifle, burst cannon, somethin with range since its a very long level with very long corridors
meager grove
Now that I'm thinking about it, we only defended the reactor room. Would it be smart to defend the more narrow hallway before the reactor and have one person run back and forth to the reactor for codes?
meager grove
mhhh
see thats a problem, cfoam n mines combo doesnt do almost anythin here caus...
So take 4 burst sentries?
lusty bramble
That's a wonderful plan
ocean spindle
or sniper sentries
and, also consider the biotracker since the level is very dark
in case u dont know, if u click while holdin the bio, movin enemies will be pinged
also; yeah, that defendin place u said, very important
meager grove
Oh yeah and bio makes sentries more accurate no?
ocean spindle
it has ammo eficiency and velocity for the sniper and shotgun sentry
but again the- shotgun isnt very amazin in this level
ocean spindle
idk how to explain it
meager grove
Vrooom
lusty bramble
Even with biosym sniper sentry is just very mid
1 bio 3 bursts would probably serve you best as long as you aren't placing all three all the time
ocean spindle
idk if many people agree with that
but
hey
experimentation
u just gotta try things out
lusty bramble
Bio is for shooting the triangles which seems very accessible for newer players
meager grove
Thanks for tips, we'll give this a go
ocean spindle
good luuuuck
lusty bramble
Do not run the arbalist machinegun
winged turtle
good luck!
ocean spindle
Do not run the arbalist machinegun
lmao
ocean spindle
...
unpopular opinion i do like the veruta more hAh
feels better
but ik im wrong
lusty bramble
Veruta is better
winged turtle
indeed, veruta #s better is better
mossy aurora
...
unpopular opinion i do like the veruta more hAh
this opinion is unpopular?
ocean spindle
this opinion is unpopular?
idk ive heard everywhere arbalist arbalist
mossy aurora
ive been TROLLED
ocean spindle
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
winged turtle
I Am Pogging!
ocean spindle
||ok no but idk which one is the best i just like that one more /srs||
lusty bramble
Veruta is the better option
lusty bramble
It's not
The gimmick does not function effectively
It clearly doesn't have enough going for it
Funny enough the har was the take on the older r1 arbalist
And it worked fine
Then they had nothing to really do with the arbalist
minor fractal
It has decent DPS, low horizontal recoil, and a great ammo economy.
Seems fairly alright to me.
lusty bramble
Great ammo economy??
minor fractal
22 kills per refill? That's pretty good, yeah.
ocean spindle
does it uses DOLLARS
winged turtle
so, worse ammo economy, but the veruta **Arbalist hits better break points on damage per round on smalls doesn't it?
lusty bramble
Veruta has even better ammo economy
lusty bramble
I will need to consult the stats
ocean spindle
every time advice is given it comes to this its actually kinda funny
lusty bramble
Arbalist kills 1 more small and 1 more charger
jagged shore
cause people seem a little obsessed about minmaxing gun choices
tardy ingot
veruta being a better arbalist (generally) doesnt make arbalist shit 😐
winged turtle
because 3 rounds body shots from the arbalist?
tardy ingot
the biggest thing rly is the mag size diff
lusty bramble
Yes because if you're using a weapon that needs to be subsidized by your teammates weapons you become a BACKPACK
minor fractal
Imo, it's a mix of mag size and body damage.
lusty bramble
Except if it's a specialist weapon
minor fractal
Veruta you can just kind of spray at stuff, and it's a really good burst option if you don't let go of the trigger.
Arbalist you really have to aim it or it's just meh.
lusty bramble
Sounds like a shitty har
winged turtle
veruta being a better arbalist (generally) doesnt make arbalist shit 😐
" Every special > arbalist
the beep has spoken
tardy ingot
its sad to me how arbalist has like 10 times better recoil/movement than the HAR 
ocean spindle
> " Every special > arbalist
the beep has spoken <:PI_AngelPray:7014616492777145...
amen
i guess
tardy ingot
> " Every special > arbalist
the beep has spoken <:PI_AngelPray:7014616492777145...
precison rifle 
lusty bramble
Yeah but the har staggers in 1 shot
tardy ingot
Check mate
ocean spindle
its sad to me how arbalist has like 10 times better recoil/movement than the HAR...
adapt >:]
get a mouse stabilizer
tardy ingot
Yeah but the har staggers in 1 shot
yea
(well arbalist still does on any headshot)
I feel like the bigger thing for this is tho that you wont rly single shot a machine gun while you will with HAR
lusty bramble
The arbalist only staggers on headshots
tardy ingot
so arbalist will always stagger anyway
lusty bramble
Good luck making space with the charge up machine-gun you have to charge tap with
ocean spindle
no yeah with the har its normal but who would single tap with a machinegun
that is actually
i wouldve thought thats kinda hard to do
lusty bramble
The effort isn't worth the payoff
minor fractal
Tbf, I'm not sure if the effort matters.
If it has skill expression, it has skill expression.
ocean spindle
i can never really tell but since they said the every special > arbalist
maybe this is trollin
lusty bramble
My skill expression vs gods biggest enemy diversity
minor fractal
Just it mostly has ammo economy and DPS.
ocean spindle
ah there we go
ok lets all go home
when the newie comes back we can tell em all this info
tardy ingot
id still rank arbalist above
Prec rifle: not hard lol
HAR: guns stats are better in some spots yea, but god. Its so shit to use
lusty bramble
Thats because you aren't using it right
lusty bramble
Nothing has changed from r6 har besides recoil
ocean spindle
for no reason at all that last thing
minor fractal
The horizontal recoil on HAR is kind of bad.
ocean spindle
but in C++
minor fractal
And it already has a bunch of drawbacks for its accessibility.
lusty bramble
Why are you spamming the har
ocean spindle
And it already has a bunch of drawbacks for its accessibility.
we all know lets head back
lets sleep
minor fractal
Why are you spamming the har
TTK
lusty bramble
Main headshot + single body shot har
It's a combo weapon
And works extremely well
Not to mention it actually staggers strikers on a single hit
minor fractal
That seems like a really niche use, and a hella sluggish one.
lusty bramble
It's not sluggish in the slightest
tardy ingot
kill speed of 1 per 2 seconds
ocean spindle
my fav special is the revo
tardy ingot
ocean spindle
noms
minor fractal
I feel like I'd almost always rather a special that is really strong independently but has good combo potential outside of that.
lusty bramble
The har is great independently
minor fractal
It's okay, but it's hella short range.
tardy ingot
also hel revo/dmr can do the same „combo“ with basically any other special
lusty bramble
So it's bad for being a cc?
tardy ingot
both machine guns work
minor fractal
And again, it has some pretty real drawbacks.
tardy ingot
but veruta also straight up is a good gun compared to HAR
ocean spindle
i read hel revo/dmr combo and i was like
wait those are in the same category...........
lusty bramble
Yeah cause vertua is silly
ocean spindle
vertua
minor fractal
Meh ammo, slightly slow RoF, very poor body efficiency.
tardy ingot
id agree with you on the cc beep. If the recoil wasnt completely ass
getting somewhat rushed by enemies and suddenly its spray and pray
lusty bramble
They're going to buff the veruta
ocean spindle
what does cc mean again
tardy ingot
They're going to buff the veruta
and carbine 
?
ocean spindle
and idk why they made it like this
cause its FUNKIER /j
minor fractal
We can't have accessible weapons.
lusty bramble
Spray and pray works better with the har since it actually staggers in one shot
ocean spindle
spray n pray only applies with the machinepistol
lusty bramble
If I spray and pray with the arbalist I'm not going to get thay consistently
minor fractal
It just can't be that an accessible weapon is good at anything.
tardy ingot
Spray and pray works better with the har since it actually staggers in one shot
great, since it will probably miss a third of it 😐
and yes thats a hyperbole
lusty bramble
Yeah if you don't know how to use it
minor fractal
Comparing HAR and Arbalist is a bit different than evaluating HAR in general.
minor fractal
Bro, stop derailing for no reason.
lusty bramble
Har without recoil would be better yeah
ocean spindle
Bro, stop derailing for no reason.
no i do kinda mean this is also this is gtfo questions
but ill stop im sorry
lusty bramble
But it's still in a good spot despite, and it performs more consistently than the arbalist
tardy ingot
stat wise its fine
but the recoil makes it bad. Yeah you can probably get a similar value to r6 har if you are giga cracked. But it will require unneeded focus imo
lusty bramble
Yeah, it was nerfed
tardy ingot
i honestly think arbalist is way more consistent in actually dealing with smaller waves
tardy ingot
Yeah, it was nerfed
another great nerf like PR
lusty bramble
I'd say otherwise, you can get overrun very quickly
And the arbalist struggles at cc
tardy ingot
on bigger hordes yea
its pretty good if its smth like a diminished alarm wave size
after that its mag is just empty (compared to veruta)
lusty bramble
Yeah but most of everything is better at small diminished waves
tardy ingot
i remember beth and me talking about that being the shittiest feeling between the 2 MGs
well yea. All of those are generally better guns
lusty bramble
That's because Beth didn't know how to use the veruta
lusty bramble
It's surprisingly tiny when dealing with a wave
tardy ingot
its the only reason my thought on it has been getting worse
Stat wise its very very similar to veruta otherwise
(Shows how good mag size is as a stat, looking at people claiming it wasnt before)
minor fractal
Tbh Arbalist's main competition is actually revolver.
lusty bramble
Got you in a philosophical debacle there rayalot
If its main competition is revolver, it therefore is also competing with the hel gun
arctic marten
i posit that no weapon's main competition is revolver
tardy ingot
hey thats unfair
lusty bramble
It comes full circle
lusty bramble
Helgun is funny but revolver still is pretty solid
Maybe one day they'll let it two shot chargers
minor fractal
I mean, if your most fatal flaw is "not HEL Gun," you're doing pretty well.
lusty bramble
What if it's also "not burst cannon"
tardy ingot
Maybe one day they'll let it two shot chargers
once that happens its gonna be insanely good 
lusty bramble
God I love mag dumping giants
minor fractal
That is a tough sell, but I have faith in revo.
arctic marten
That is a tough sell, but I have faith in revo.
bad news. there are no more updates. revo will remain a worse hel gun forever
arctic marten
cancelled to put more work into cyberheist
lusty bramble
There is nothing wrong with the chokemod there is no exploit with it they should keep the burst delay at 0.04
arctic marten
🇸🇬
lusty bramble
Ratio
tardy ingot
Oh god… why did i just read ray discussing with someone about hel rifle (ray defending that its not broken good)
arctic marten
no its very balanced because bc is better
ocean spindle
im gonna search it in the wiki but u can put ur mouse over the text of the booster n see the description of it
SR SENTRY DAMAGE
Sentry Guns placed by Subject will deal more damage at short range.
i never gotten that booster
hum
hardy grotto
veruta being a better arbalist (generally) doesnt make arbalist shit 😐
ok but counterpoint it still sucks
ocean spindle
ok but counterpoint no
hardy grotto
ur top 5 guns list blows + dont care
rapid sparrow
does the bullpup rifle do less damage than the assault rifle?
it has higher fire rate and i like the sight better but haven't tested them enough to see which is better for ammo efficiency
right now i'm used to using the dmr but i would like to practice with a gun with higher ammo count since my favorite special is without a doubt choke mod and having 2 low ammo count weapons is a bit scary
verbal zinc
it has higher fire rate and i like the sight better but haven't tested them enou...
The bullpup rifle is very cool until you have to reload
noble sierra
Bullpup has fewer ammo and deals less damage(per bullet), with better precision multiplier and slightly better range (and much higher ROF you've mentioned). Overall efficiency wise it is very close to AR so use what you prefer.
tardy ingot
The bullpup rifle is very cool until you have to reload
the bullpup is * reload
cold quarry
does the bullpup rifle do less damage than the assault rifle?
yes, significantly
The regular AR outclasses it
craggy pier
gtfo question of the day: anyone played the re4 remake?
craggy pier
I did
dry pumice
Yeah, regular AR is a better jack of all trades rifle. Hits harder, reloads quicker...
Bullpup's main advantage is high effective range. You can laser-spray sleepers from across reactor and still deal mostly full damage.
hardy grotto
ok man
worthy trail
first burst cannon sucks vs smalls, now bullpup is a good gun. gtfo-chats always deliver 
hardy grotto
first burst cannon sucks vs smalls, now bullpup is a good gun. gtfo-chats always...
Why do you think I read it everyday
it’s impossible to know what you’re gonna see next
worthy trail
i doubt I'd be able to tank this bs everyday, but have fun
hardy grotto
that’s why you only read it panda
When you start responding to it is when you really start to lose it
vague bridge
burst cannon is a good alternative when your hel magazine is empty
lusty bramble
What if my hel magazine isn't empty
fierce nebula
use BC anyway
solemn flint
gtfo question of the day: anyone played the re4 remake?
no, but i did watch someone play it
sadly, they remove the stuff
the quality stuff
craggy pier
weirdo
solemn flint
and they also changed what ada wear
i miss the old verson ada
but other wise, re4 remake is a 1000/10 point game
craggy pier
i miss the old verson ada
everyone does
solemn flint
love the last part when ada ask leon if he want to get on the helicopter with her
craggy pier
dont drop spoilers buddy
solemn flint
im not gonna spoil anything else
but ada still look hot
she is just a bit too old
wish they give ada more of a younger look
craggy pier
someone doesn't like dommy mommys, shame
craggy pier
💀
weak bronze
So, can we still do rundown 4-6? As I only see 1-3 and 7 so far, and the fandom wiki says that 4-6 are removed, but I’ve been told something different so have the rundowns actually been removed or do I have to complete rundown 3 for rundown 4 to show up?
vague bridge
alt rundowns are here for good
- r7
if you want to play r4-6 you can either:
-wait for the alts to release
-or go back in time
which im pretty sure you can do in steam somehow
vague bridge
thats discussion for another server
ocean spindle
.t modding
uneven gulchBOT
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icy cave
So, can we still do rundown 4-6? As I only see 1-3 and 7 so far, and the fandom ...
They are basically remastering rhe old rundowns. Alt R4 is next. no clue when it releases
weak bronze
Okay, so there is currently no way to play rundown 4-6 on the current version, thank y’all
icy cave
Okay, so there is currently no way to play rundown 4-6 on the current version, t...
Not current version. But there are ways to play the OG R4-6
lusty bramble
Rundown 4 releases June 1st
lunar rain
I am going to quote you on that
vague bridge
beep seems very confident in his claims
hardy grotto
Yeah
arctic marten
No I’m not mad
arctic marten
I’m about to be the joker
hardy grotto
😱
lunar rain
Any tips for the error alarm in r3c1 ?
wary linden
Shoot gun, enemies die
ocean spindle
i personally used sniper sentries cause they oneshot, n go in melee in the scout as soon as humanly possible
full disclosure this comes from someone that hasnt beaten the level yet... i would if i didnt had bots.....
thats actually a nice question
ocean spindle
Any tips for the error alarm in r3c1 ?
u playin with bots or humans?
lunar rain
Mix of both
vague bridge
ooh thats always fun
someone should take something that can headshot scout
or at least occiput
ive also found hel shotgun works great against chargers
wary linden
Aka. Any gun if you know what you are doing :)
ocean spindle
yeah, and lets the bots carry the sniper sentries cause their sentries are silent i think
idk if this is
true or not
but when i did the level, i had sniper sentries right outside the door
and they didnt woke up the room inside
vague bridge
Aka. Any gun if you know what you are doing :)
machine pistol:
wary linden
You'd be surprise :)
vague bridge
i mean safe distance
id like to not get up close and personal with the scout during error
ocean spindle
melee it what u weak or somethin /j
wary linden
Oh no. 12 enemies. What shall we do?!
wary linden
It's not
wary linden
It is not
ocean spindle
ive been playin bots for 4 rundowns u can tell me that now ksmdk
mossy aurora
🤖
wary linden
Bots are better than 50% of the players in "panic situations"
ocean spindle
on that i do agree
but not with chargers
cause bots go into battle with melees once the enemy gets close, and even tho hel shotgun helps a lot keepin enemies staggered and fuckin off :]
the reload is different
and u or get another stagger or nice weapons like combat shotgun or somethin for keepin em there, or u dont sniper the scout
lunar rain
Does the hel gun one shot scouts ?
wary linden
So that is on you. You aren't creating distance between your bots and the enemies.
minor fractal
HEL Rifle is pretty good on R3C1 if you need a scout killer specifically.
wary linden
Just tell him hel rifle one shot chargers instead. More value
ocean spindle
i mean
maybe
but i went chokemod cause it had more ammo and oneshots too, maybe the reloads are what is killin me
an i didnt pinged
HAH
ocean spindle
HEL Rifle is pretty good on R3C1 if you need a scout killer specifically.
there
minor fractal
Choke mod is neat, but no pen.
HEL Rifle is just de-facto always good for chargers, and pen gives it very high potential value.
wary linden
That is just a lie
ocean spindle
mh
i guess i just dont think theres enough places for me to take advantage of it
but tbf i havent tested it
also im worried about the other alarms
the normal enemy ones
is the reload of the rifle longer than the choke mod with the reload cancel?
vague bridge
hel everything is cool
minor fractal
Not sure, but they should be around the same ballpark.
Choke mod will have RoF up on it, though.
wary linden
You can't spam shot the hel rifle. Meaning in a swarm that is coming from separate angles, your hel rifle's cooldown between shot is just bad
vague bridge
this is where the hel shotguns specialty comes into play
ocean spindle
Choke mod will have RoF up on it, though.
a what im sorry?
ocean spindle
yeah
minor fractal
It shoot fast
ocean spindle
ah
minor fractal
You can't spam shot the hel rifle. Meaning in a swarm that is coming from separa...
That sounds like a positioning issue tbh, but it's not that hard to get at least some pen value on chargers if you're in a tight spot.
ocean spindle
the combat shottie can get a scout in the front of the head right
minor fractal
It also kind of sucks if you have to spam choke mod, since you'll probably miss pellets.
wary linden
That sounds like a positioning issue tbh, but it's not that hard to get at least...
Make the game fun for once and challenge yourself :)
minor fractal
I dunno if actively throwing is challenging myself.
wary linden
You can actively "throw" and still beat maps consistantly if you are good
minor fractal
I'm also not sure how you're spinning this out of a convo w/ a HEL Gun player that wants to be able to kill scouts.
ocean spindle
You can actively "throw" and still beat maps consistantly if you are good
yeah but we r not
pros
:[
minor fractal
I don't think "HEL Rifle is always good into chargers" is a wild take.
ocean spindle
I'm also not sure how you're spinning this out of a convo w/ a HEL Gun player th...
this was just a convo on the final error alarm tho
wary linden
yeah but we r not
Practice is all you need to reach that level of skills.. and the will to volumtarely put yourself in bad situation for fun to see if you can survive
ocean spindle
i kinda already do that fuckin up scouts tryin to bat them
its not like i play safely
i have an hour to beat all levels
but
i am still
not great
i think i have like 5 or 6 tries on c1 so far
wary linden
Ok but would you just instantly shoot in a room filled with chargers/big chargers/ hybrids and scouts for the fun of it?
ocean spindle
i
i havent
encountered... big chargers....
wary linden
Find some friends.
minor fractal
I don't think anyone is just going to happen upon a static with that much time on their hands.
That you can just int multiple times and nobody would care.
ocean spindle
yeah people got
things to do
well at least some of em
wary linden
Because 30 minutes levels are sooo long.
ocean spindle
that level tooks me
an hour
do u understand im not a good
player
at all
like
at all
im not good
wary linden
Now you know you can improve more though :)
ocean spindle
yes but just keep that in mind when tellin me stuff about how to
im trash
like fkin awful
minor fractal
Most levels are going to be like 45+ even in experienced groups, at least the ones that are worth replaying.
minor fractal
Like, R3D1 I'm already pulling charger zone every single run.
ocean spindle
Most levels are going to be like 45+ even in experienced groups, at least the on...
b but r2c2
:c
wary linden
R3d1 is a 20 min mission
ocean spindle
OH CMON ON
minor fractal
Yeah, and I can't really make it harder.
ocean spindle
OHH
minor fractal
I'd have to throw a 45m+ one
ocean spindle
i take like two hours on that piece of trash........ im such garbage
wait
r3
ah i read r2
im garbage but for another reasons
nevermind
minor fractal
Same for R7D2, and tbqh pulling every tank possible isn't very fun if other players can't pull their weight.
wary linden
That's why you choose PMom instead :)
ocean spindle
this is very pro talks right here
wary linden
R7D2 but you have to escort the extra cells back while doing a full genocide run
minor fractal
Bruh
craggy pier
🥹
wary linden
R3d1 is just easy
craggy pier
ocean spindle
ok it- i see it now
minor fractal
R7D2 but you have to escort the extra cells back while doing a full genocide run
Sure, you can do challenge runs.
But that's not really the same, and also you can just play an actually harder level.
ocean spindle
beep is that u in an alt account
wary linden
What harder levels are there right now in the game
minor fractal
R2E1, R7E1, probably R7C3.
wary linden
Yeah... All those levels i can fall asleep in them
ocean spindle
this is prob
trollins
i am dumb figurin that out tbh but this just seems like it
minor fractal
And R7D2 is kind of easy too, albeit more exciting.
wary linden
R2e1 is fun for surges... But when you know how to outshoot a surge.. the level kinda becomes boring
minor fractal
But this is mostly out of the question for me anyway, the static is AFK until R8.
People too busy with IRL to hard grind PuGs.
minor fractal
Bro, I play so much solo.
And just PuGs in general with a bunch of loadouts.
I'm good.
waxen jetty
unfortunate
past mesa
Mr Rick do you still offer gtfo bootcamp on the toxic island
waxen jetty
dm justin for inquiries
minor fractal
Also just in general, it's a bit annoying that the harder the level the less control I have over what happens.
ocean spindle
whats is PuGs
u use a lot of terms i dont know
minor fractal
Like, sure, I might get some good practice in.
But it's also super fucking tilting.
wary linden
Man has no friends
ocean spindle
friends r cringe
i only talk with my thought
lunar rain
Is there a ||mother || in r3c1 or no cause there are the blob things
ocean spindle
no
tropic vine
Is there a ||mother || in r3c1 or no cause there are the blob things
Think just a design oppion, the room would be kinda boring without them. And would he funny for new players seeing it for the first time
lunar rain
Kk Ty
tardy ingot
the combat shottie can get a scout in the front of the head right
Not with 1 shot
tropic vine
I think it can depending on the distance. i'll test it tommorow
mossy aurora
I think it can depending on the distance. i'll test it tommorow
15.06 (cs damage) * 3 (scout head multi) * 0.88 (precision multi) = 39.76
scout has 42 hp
mossy aurora
spreadsheet has no for occiput shot though for some reason
tropic vine
huh
tardy ingot
Spreadsheets seems to have quite alot of calculation values wrong currently
tardy ingot
easiest is probably googling „gtfo weapon spreadsheet“
As im not on pc i dont have the link
fierce nebula
so this is where the normies are hiding
solemn flint
im kidna surprise when reading the sheet
bullpup rifle isnt actually that bad if you do headshot, still hate the reload speed but actually surpise at how much damage can 1 mag of bullpurp rifle do
carbine is stupidly good
also surpise at how short range is the high cal
lusty bramble
8 meters ain't that bad
Since it no longer does 30, it doesn't affect any significant breakpoints either
Never did bothered doing the math
But you can get three tumors with the bullpup
This is wonderful news
Nvm you can do that with most main weapons
Bullpup continues to fail
Only funny I can find is one clipping hybrids with bullpup
solemn flint
8 meters ain't that bad
its just surprise to see the number
dry pumice
Oh yeah high cal short range is big cringe
When it was releases it was basically inferior choke mode because it dealt same damage at half the range
So to help it... They nerfed the damage and increased ammo.
Thanks 10c.
Oneshoting shooters to the body was so fucking good.
Now they force me to aim for the head, blergh
solemn flint
Oh yeah high cal short range is big cringe
i actually think it was a magnum, and a magnum suppose to have a bit more range and a ton of damage
solemn flint
Now they force me to aim for the head, blergh
is it me or is the high cal pistol easier to use than choke mod
solemn flint
its just the feeling
i actually dont like choke mode bc of the 4 ammo per mag
its feel empty
dry pumice
That is its only downside. Otherwise it's a dangerous murder baguette that requires no finesse whatsoever. ADS is rudementary, hip fire spread is disgustingly tight and 30 dmg is still a lot.
solemn flint
That is its only downside. Otherwise it's a dangerous murder baguette that requi...
yea
it is a frecking shredder
its just not for me
fierce nebula
i actually think it was a magnum, and a magnum suppose to have a bit more range ...
realism in a game isn't possible but I get what you mean
solemn flint
and why does the knife seem to not aim for the head eventhough the crosshair is aiming at the head
ocean spindle
take into account knife goes from the bottom to the top
theres travel in its trajectory
or i think thats how it worked
tardy ingot
the melee weapons arent „hitting“ from the middle of your screen
hammer -> arc from „above“
Bat -> hit from side
Knife -> stab from lower side
so if you too close while aiming at the head and it touches the shoulder hitbox first, then it will hit that and not the head
ocean spindle
hammer -> arc from „above“
Bat -> hit from side
Knife -> stab from lower side
and spear?
solemn flint
_and spear?_
spear stab
tardy ingot
i never use spear
solemn flint
u poke with spear
solemn flint
so if you too close while aiming at the head and it touches the shoulder hitbox ...
weird physic
tardy ingot
nah it makes sense
solemn flint
i though u are suppose to stab straight
ocean spindle
i mean is like when u go from the head but u hit shoulder irl
tardy ingot
you stab from your eyes?
solemn flint
not stab from below up
ocean spindle
... that is a weird analogy
ehem
is like when u throw a ball to somethin but it hits the table
there
better
tardy ingot
if the guy you are trying to stab is 10 cm away and your knife is at his arm height, then you wont hit the head either
ocean spindle
knoife is a very, stand up to sneak kind of weapon
it kinda forces the walkin technique
ocean spindle
ah true late hit n stuff but still
solemn flint
if the guy you are trying to stab is 10 cm away and your knife is at his arm hei...
hmm
ocean spindle
its kinda
made as a whole for standin up
ocean spindle
just use
bat :D
solemn flint
no
ocean spindle
bat thank u for bein bat
tardy ingot
Oh you meant, walk not crouch
I thought, walk not sprint
ocean spindle
bat!!
tardy ingot
just use
bat :D
even worse hitting issue
solemn flint
still dont like bat
ocean spindle
WHAT
tardy ingot
anyone who ran eval can tell you
ocean spindle
WHSDNSD WHAT?????????
solemn flint
bat is something strange
ocean spindle
i run bat on other things apart from eval!!!!!
tardy ingot
Bat comes from the side
solemn flint
feel kidna clumpy when using bat
tardy ingot
bat scuffs the hit angle when trying to go quick
solemn flint
also do u have knife input issue eva?
its like im holding left click to charge for multi kill
and there was a delay between releasing the knife and charge for the next kill
the delay was big enough so that i have to press left click before holding left click for the next charge
its kinda like input delay
tardy ingot
i dont have to press it again
but theres delay ye
this was rly fucking awful comparibly back in r5 and earlier with old hammers
ocean spindle
also check the advanced graphics tab, in the queue frames idk what thingy
cause that can cause delay if its too high
its set at like 2 by default n thats perfectly fine but
in case it has been moved or somethin
hidden ridge
hammer -> arc from „above“
Bat -> hit from side
Knife -> stab from lower side
I dont want to dig it out and I didnt check it personally
But I think someone said that the game checks for an arc than for a straight like hitscan? let me doublecheck
Unless I misinterpreted the message, here it is
hidden ridge
Personally, and anecdotally, I've noticed that I can release hammer even "way" before I get the circle to become smaller and still end up hitting a giant
That could, of course, be just considered either latency/desynch or simply a wrong perception
lusty bramble
Melees have arcs, they are not hitscan
A melee hit is registered any time during that arc
minor fractal
its kinda
made as a whole for standin up
This is just all melee?
You stand if you want to navigate rooms in stealth faster, at the penalty that you have to manage causing extra glows.
Even considering range, you can just position in-front of things for better hits.
Movespeed is the main factor always.
ocean spindle
Movespeed is the main factor always.
yes ik u can with every melee but i mean the knife seems specifically for that cause it comes from below and needs headshots and it has reduced distance agro
minor fractal
It's meant for faster stealth, yeah, but I don't think range is the main part of that.
Charge time is gonna be the main factor.
soft crater
Move speed for stealth.
Me: Attempts risky Sprint jumps outside sleeper detection ranges
Then again walking is just fine.
ocean spindle
It's meant for faster stealth, yeah, but I don't think range is the main part of...
i didnt
mentioned range
but
yeah
minor fractal
i didnt
mentioned range
??
Then what is all of this about needing to stand for tall enemies.
soft crater
Reduced distance aggro is nearly neglible on knife the better you are with it.
ocean spindle
i think i just misunderstood that last part
minor fractal
I don't think it's reduced distance, tho, I think it's a lower RNG chance.
Which is effectively completely useless.
soft crater
I don't think it's reduced distance, tho, I think it's a lower RNG chance.
Ye. More close to that
soft crater
Which is effectively completely useless.
Considering effective stealth knifers would already be walking to the next target/woken enemy
minor fractal
Just in general, you either always want a wake, never want a wake, or you don't care.
So RNG is just useless.
soft crater
I still get tripped up from this one guy trying to use that reduced distance rng with locks
soft crater
many a rooms were woken that game
minor fractal
It has a lower range on hitting surfaces
soft crater
Strange wording on my part but yeah
minor fractal
included padlocks
soft crater
The guy made it seem like it was reduced to like 1m around the lock
past mesa
Are padlocks different from hitting the ground @minor fractal