stuck brook
Haha lol, kinda figured
#gtfo-related-questions
ocean spindle
neber
fickle raven
explonsion in agoney
wicked crater
alright I have to ask. Burst cannon back in the game? Really? Is that shit still busted as it was in the past or has there been balance adjustments to it?
ocean spindle
i like how u say 'really'? as in waitin for it to never come back
fuck that gun
but well now burst cancelin cant be done :]
unless u
overcomplicated it
wicked crater
Ahhh can't burst cancel now
hardy grotto
pretty sure its the exact same lmao
wicked crater
cause my mates were using it as a bolt action rifle and it was reallly stupid OP
hardy grotto
u just cant burst cancel
wicked crater
with burst canceling fixed I guess the weapon is kinda balanced, thanks for the answers lads
soft crater
with burst canceling fixed I guess the weapon is kinda balanced, thanks for the ...
Your name and pfp are me when I'm playing with beginners that are struggling on earlier levels.
craggy pier
🥹
craggy pier
wdym?
soft crater
I forget their name
craggy pier
oh
soft crater
I only remember they also had hearts like you
craggy pier
@neon plaza 
soft crater
neon plaza
<@589664600845189120> <a:lili_kiss:1052364009715793990>
wait but why in gtfo questions?
craggy pier
wait but why in gtfo questions?
someone asked where my lover is
craggy pier
neon plaza
<:kissl:659201072388112404><:kissr:659201176637669376>
all my kissy stuff is in picture/gif
craggy pier
all my kissy stuff is in picture/gif
Dm to me
lusty bramble
I'm getting use out of the shotgun sentry from the mere fact that it has tons of ammo to actually dump now
But I'll give someone 100 burst cancels if they can tell me what a "aim towards the enemy" fix even is
ocean spindle
yeah i tried it
its
not useless
surprisingly
i think, i could be seein wrong i am stupid
ocean spindle
But I'll give someone 100 burst cancels if they can tell me what a "aim towards...
maybe
bodyshots?
not headshots?
turbid horizon
Does it mean it targets chest once head is gone?
lusty bramble
It still aims for the head
neon gust
aimbot
jagged shore
Is sniper sentry still good lol
ocean spindle
yes
sniper is nice
lusty bramble
Going to have to be a big disagree for me
It's time to rotate back to the burst sentry
turbid horizon
mmm yes R6 flashbacks for me
lusty bramble
If we bloat up the usage statistics on it it'll also be nerfed
ocean spindle
ok then now is just me bein blind
spark lantern
Didn’t there used to be a suggestions channel or something? Ik I’d see a few hot takes there
ruby wasp
It's been removed
spark lantern
That’s good ty
dull schooner
vital sierra
all the time
round needle
hey me and my friend are playing 3a1 and we can't get the ncr objective inside the correct zone, wondering if anyone else has this issue?
topaz anvil
hey me and my friend are playing 3a1 and we can't get the ncr objective inside t...
Do you mean you can't find the objective?
round needle
we believe we found it, but it doesn't give us the option to interact
soft crater
Bad fathers?
topaz anvil
You need to put the baby in it
topaz anvil
Classic mistake of leaving the baby behind
soft crater
To be fair. Most groups forget about the baby hence bad fathers
topaz anvil
P sure at the top left it says bring the neonate to resuscitator or smth
soft crater
Then it leads to like. 5-10 wait to get baby from point A to Point B
soft crater
P sure at the top left it says bring the neonate to resuscitator or smth
You'd be surprised how many people dont read that.
topaz anvil
Dunno why
weary mesa
There's one with a powered pad connected to it that's the one you have to put it in
topaz anvil
Most handy part of the game
soft crater
Baby is a WMD to surpass metal gear
craggy pier
how does one query/list a fog terbine
list fog_turbine
query fog_turbine_xxx
wiki is on something then
what
topaz anvil
What is wiki saying
topaz anvil
<:soorimthumbsup:751450217047392357>
🤔
craggy pier
something about industrial grade fog terbine
vestal girder
have they fixed the bug with the bots shooting at doors during alarms yet
weary mesa
I mean it's not a bug
you can do that yourself too
They see the enemy thought the cracks and shoot them, I do it as a meme but sometimes it helps
ocean spindle
good
devout nimbus
what special goes well with it
ocean spindle
well i'd say is a very versatile weapon
cause its a mix between pistol and dmr, well whatev special u go for when u have one of those two
vital sierra
imagine pistol but long range
minor fractal
what special goes well with it
HEL Gun, easily.
15 damage body shot, rifle 1-taps as a follow-up.
It's also arguably quite strong on any loadout where you want burst damage to compensate a sustain-focused weapon.
Probably a good MG pairing, probably a good HAR pairing.
weary mesa
Opposite for me, love the sound and the sight
craggy pier
15 damage body shot, rifle 1-taps as a follow-up.
it's 16 but w/e
craggy pier
soft crater
16.25 vs 15
craggy pier
I havent tried it yet. But could BC+choke kill mom before she births?
Wait
Hel Rifle's sight wasn't like this
It was red
lusty bramble
That community made trailer is just real bad
minor fractal
Hel Rifle's sight wasn't like this
It's always been a green cross to my knowledge.
You can trust me as well, since I haven't touched it this patch.
lusty bramble
On that blackdragon personality of having the most powercreeped weapons available to pick and still choosing the bullpup combat shotgun
craggy pier
Consider that I never played R3 so my only exp was R5 with hel rifle
minor fractal
Naw, I've played non-stop Rifle + HEL Gun.
lusty bramble
Common based rayalot W
That's why he gets the girl
Hearing 4 rifles dish out 40 dps each on a single striker is music to my ears
minor fractal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh21ksQqgKM
W8, I thought this was bots, wtf
fierce nebula
craggy pier
It's always been a green cross to my knowledge.
this feels like white tbh
I guess I'm confusing it with another gun's sight
minor fractal
W8, actually, it might be different-ish...
Because R6 graphic updates.
Happened to every sight.
soft crater
fierce nebula
GTFO has mid graphics /s
neon gust
On that blackdragon personality of having the most powercreeped weapons availabl...
Common w of that guy
dark fern
may I ask what makes burst cannon and hel rifle so good?
right now I'm just using both as giant killers that isn't useless on smalls
lusty bramble
Tumors have a damage cap, meaning you can only do so much damage to them. Theoretically the sniper should be able to do a tremendous amount of damage per shot to a boss enemy, but it is capped to the tumors health. The burst cannon supercedes this cap by being able to spread out a high amount of burst damage to several tumors, dealing a significant amount of damage in a single burst.
This is why you can see videos of tanks or birthers dying within seconds
You can also spread out a burst on smalls, potentially killing many, instead of wasting a single sniper shot on only one
hardy grotto
yeah okay man
lusty bramble
Hel rifle is misunderstood as to where people just compare it to the hel gun, whose penetration is more of a addendum than an actual feature you have to use
The benefit comes from the high amout of damage you can do to a lineup, which is super important on medium to larger enemies
I still don't know if they've fixed penetration or not, but it can do very well if you're able to get those line ups
But you get so much ammo for the hel gun where it doesn't really matter if you hit heads or not
tardy ingot
Wdym fixed penetration 
lusty bramble
Shits been broke since r5
hardy grotto
honestly did not know that beep
tardy ingot
in what way? (Honestly dont know)
hardy grotto
u said something about it being broken in r4 I think?
lusty bramble
It's why it's a gamble if you hit 4 or 5 targets
And rare for you to ever hit 6
From what little I know, it's based off of how the game checks for damage drop off related to penetration
Meaning it works well at close range but completely blunders at longer ranges
hardy grotto
I actually need to test a bunch of stuff with mountainman anyway so maybe I’ll test that as well
wheat urchin
Yo guys im new at gtfo any guides , tips and tricks that i have to know?
ocean spindle
helo!!
the only tip i would recommend is playin the tutorial [training]
and then learnin n playin with other newies :D
and if at some point u get stuck u can ask for help on these channels
latent obsidian
Yo guys im new at gtfo any guides , tips and tricks that i have to know?
employ stealth where you can and spend some time on a terminal (not the one in TRAINING) to get familiar with it and what it can do
icy cave
Yo guys im new at gtfo any guides , tips and tricks that i have to know?
Master terminals, find other new players and enjoy
neon gust
You guys are so outdated
Pen gets reduce by the amount of limbs you hit on an enemy
Thsts what beeps talking about
icy cave
Thsts what beeps talking about
beep beep
neon gust
Its in an old vid i made i think
icy cave
Its in an old vid i made i think
R3 review soon btw ? you finished the rundown 🧐
neon gust
An also beep its wrong
icy cave
Even did A3
neon gust
R3 review soon btw ? you finished the rundown 🧐
Maybe tomorrow ill start
Work and stuff
latent obsidian
are we going to get a video covering the updated tools?
icy cave
are we going to get a video covering the updated tools?
you a tool
neon gust
are we going to get a video covering the updated tools?
When deployable shield gets added
And nano
latent obsidian
Hell yeah GTFO x OW2
neon gust
1 year from now
icy cave
Dunno you were saying the text chats were more toxic. Had to enforce it
icy cave
1 year from now
When you already know R8 will add no new mechanics 😔
icy cave
proving me right
you are most welcome sir
lusty bramble
Maybe tomorrow ill start
Can you do a gameplay review if I sent you a video
neon gust
Can you do a gameplay review if I sent you a video
I dont wanna see you door cheesing
fierce nebula
actually a riot shield tool you could place down is awesome
lusty bramble
Don't be ridiculous, I cfoam ladders
arctic marten
From what little I know, it's based off of how the game checks for damage drop o...
this is true, its kind of hard to explain, so ill try to find the code for it sometime
civic wave
I havent tried it yet. But could BC+choke kill mom before she births?
easily, burst cannon can 1mag mom before birth if you aim good, multiple people it shouldn't be a problem
even if you're a bit slow on the 1 mag kill you'll probably be dealing with less than 10 babies
lunar rain
are there any audio logs in r3 or no?
ocean spindle
yep i think so yeah
weary mesa
ALT R3 ye
lunar rain
do we know what levels they are in?
stoic notch
hey guys. Newcomer here.
I really enjoy hunting for lore in this kind of game. Am I gonna get on people's nerves if I keep asking "just a sec, gotta read this log" or are folks generally comprehensive in that aspect? Plus, are people more prone to exploring each room or speedrun through a level? Thinking about doing a bot run because of that.
Additionally, do I have to run through the 3 rundowns as to not lose information about the lore? R1 and R2 apparently have very few groups.
ocean spindle
well depends on the person if u tell em 'hold on gotta read', but somethin u could do is take a screenshot then read it
also, uh, yeah i think all rundowns have info about lore, r1 had some big drops if im not wrong so yeah
if the log has an audio log then u just
gotta ask ur group
also people- depends on their skill if they speedrun levels or not, cause people with high skill do it a lot but its usually newies that take their time n stuff
stoic notch
well depends on the person if u tell em 'hold on gotta read', but somethin u cou...
oh, good, simple solution. Thanks!
ocean spindle
thats why i say that when lookin for a group u ask to not be carried skdm
ocean spindle
oh, good, simple solution. Thanks!
its okee
stoic notch
thats why i say that when lookin for a group u ask to not be carried skdm
sorry, "skdm"?
ocean spindle
okee good luck on ur lore research
silk jungle
do the boosters that increase fog repeller power also increase the power of the fog turbine?
I assume the answer is no
but I wanted to ask anyway
jagged shore
i heard at some point that they do
but you shouldn't quote me on that
plain hollow
Is the tutorial solo?
craggy pier
yes
sullen goblet
So I was playing through Alt:3C1 and right before leaving through Zone 17 after getting the HSU, my screen sort of twisted and it looked like my character in game was on drugs? Everything was zoomed out and kinda multiplied, and it didn't looked like a visual glitch either; like it was in game. Just wondering if this has happened to anyone else? Honestly just irritated me since it didn't go away and I had to wipe
It's really hard to explain, sorry lol
craggy pier
your character took lsd
sullen goblet
Sure looked like it lmao That it just the best way to describe what happened, Idek
vital sierra
did you take infection?
sullen goblet
No, but I do know what the infection looks like when when you're all the way infected and it didn't look nearly the same. They said it well, it looked like my character took lsd
minor fractal
So I was playing through Alt:3C1 and right before leaving through Zone 17 after ...
On-screen liquid bug?
sullen goblet
Nah, though I've seen a post with something like that on Reddit and what I saw wasnt that. I'm genuinely just kind of confused now lol
minor fractal
Nah, though I've seen a post with something like that on Reddit and what I saw w...
You sure? It can look a lot of different ways depending on how the liquid ends up freaking out.
sullen goblet
Ig it could've been. The rundown did just come out. If it happens again I'll take a vid or somethin but I'll leave it for now
vital sierra
i know this have been a thing to ask a lot but, could you post a pic of it
vital sierra
Ig it could've been. The rundown did just come out. If it happens again I'll tak...
i know i'm beating a dead horse but, i or we don't really know what you're describing
arctic marten
So I was playing through Alt:3C1 and right before leaving through Zone 17 after ...
did you have an old rundown installed when r3 came out?
jagged shore
Ig it could've been. The rundown did just come out. If it happens again I'll tak...
did it look anything like this https://i.imgur.com/NQwpSOP.png
sullen goblet
Nah, not like that. Might be a bit of a stretch, but it looked slightly like the damn mirror dimension or whatever from marvel Dr Strange
@arctic marten wdym?
fierce nebula
mirror dimension? so you're saying the map itself looked weird
arctic marten
if you had previously been running an old rundown when you updated, the graphics can get a bit funky
jagged shore
eh i guess i should've been less specific
cause that image is i'm at least 99% sure another version of the liquid bug
so it's definitely got a range of appearances
sullen goblet
Nah, it's aight. It seems mine is just very very exclusive. It's so hard to describe too, Im not doing y'all any favors
@fierce nebula kinda? If the map was weird though, the chargers coming after me would've been glitching too right? But them and the vote seemed to be moving alright
Bots*
jagged shore
i guess a key question would be, how did it start
like, did it start in one part of the screen and then fade into the rest or was it just suddenly everything looked wonkey
sullen goblet
Started in one part, then moved into the rest of the screen
arctic marten
@sullen goblet did it look anything like this? https://imgur.com/AWARBjD
jagged shore
then, at least to me, it still sounds like just another weird manifestation of the liquid bug
jagged shore
<@346374766350958592> did it look anything like this? https://imgur.com/AWARBjD
yo that's kinda sick actually
sullen goblet
@arctic marten nah, not like that. Kinda cool though lol
arctic marten
hm no idea then
sullen goblet
Me either. Thanks for the help, though. If it happens again, I'll try and take a picture or video
jagged shore
additionally, wait a few minutes
if it is the liquid bug then it should fade away after a bit
sullen goblet
I didn't have much time for it to disappear. It happened, I backed off for about a minute or two to see if it would go away and it didn't. Got overwhelmed with chargers that continue to spawn
But I'll keep that in mind. Hopefully I won't get cornered again during an error alarm lma9
Lmao*
jagged shore
ah fair enough
am unfamiliar with the r3 levels as of yet, haven't had a chance
sullen goblet
They're pretty fun. Love the new Hel rifle
craggy pier
fierce nebula
<@346374766350958592> did it look anything like this? https://imgur.com/AWARBjD
that looks kinda amazing actually
craggy pier
tripping balls in gtfo is 10c canon
craggy pier
originally?
solemn flint
yep
craggy pier
mom was r3, not sure about chargers
craggy pier
was that in og R1 or alt rundown change?
fierce nebula
was that in og R1 or alt rundown change?
OG 🤣
jagged shore
chargers were in r1c2
solemn flint
and in alt r3, charger was introduce by a frecking ears destroyer in alt r3c1
solemn flint
chargers were in r1c2
oh yea, forgot about the red room in r1c2
im now curious
if charger were introduce in r1, why are there no warning about them until r3c1 alt
craggy pier
so true bestie
fierce nebula
oh lmao
solemn flint
Because R2 was a bad rundown
why is it bad?
i hate the fog and hate the massive difficulty gap between c and d tier in r2
jagged shore
something something only rundown to remove an enemy
weary mesa
I mean R3 also removed enemies sadly
solemn flint
I mean R3 also removed enemies sadly
which one was removed?
weary mesa
Shadow and shadow bigs
jagged shore
they just weren't in any of the levels
weary mesa
Yea removed isn't the right word
jagged shore
unutilized?
weary mesa
ye
jagged shore
unused lmao
simpler word that i didn't think of
jagged shore
i heard they added cscouts to ar3?
i guess i kinda wish, somewhat selfishly, that they kept the enemy introductions the same
definitely not because i just dislike dealing with cscouts
weary mesa
They're gonna have to do something to keep the difficulty up with R4 and R5 weapons in the game now
hardy grotto
but will they
hardy grotto
jagged shore
i mean is anything gonna be up to the difficulty standards of someone duoing r4e1
fierce nebula
A lot of enemy variety is good
yeah I think originally the devs were like "let's make it varied by desperation"
scarcity*
tardy ingot
when r4/r5 drop and people say its easier cuz guns are stronger than before
hel revo: weaker
Burst cannon: weaker
fierce nebula
I enjoy how burst cannon is just easier to use sniper
tardy ingot
also beth is definetly having 1 struggle left in the game 
weary mesa
No hel gun nerf 
tardy ingot
putting down mines 
tardy ingot
I enjoy how burst cannon is just easier to use sniper
unironically worse vs bigs than sniper tho
just way better everywhere else
hardy grotto
That mine put in work I don’t wanna hear it
tardy ingot
beth dont lie to me, i saw it happen multiple times over the 1 1/2 hours i lurked
hardy grotto
the back damage multiplier mine 
tardy ingot
but that mine actually hit them all LOL
hardy grotto
I was pretty content with it tbh
tardy ingot
legit shouldve clipped it
fierce nebula
unironically worse vs bigs than sniper tho
oh yeah cause you dump like 20% ammo on each giant?
tardy ingot
oh yeah cause you dump like 20% ammo on each giant?
you cant 1 burst giants from the front at all
hardy grotto
That’s where the primary comes in
tardy ingot
well yea
but that directly makes it weaker than sniper vs bigs specifically
never said it was weak vs em
hardy grotto
sniper definitely still has its uses but uh
fierce nebula
you cant 1 burst giants from the front at all
you mean one burst
each mag is 4 bursts
weary mesa
Nah guys that's bad just like Hi Cal on chargers
ashen frigate
agreed. provided you can aim ^^
hardy grotto
Burst cannon strong
tardy ingot
Nah guys that's bad just like Hi Cal on chargers
which had way worse efficiency after the nerf even if you take current rifle as the gun to finish them off
ashen frigate
Pre-nerf I believe Hi Cal one-shot chargers, it was downright ridiculous
But felt so goooooood
ashen frigate
indeed
which make it more of a shotgun (and we have a lot of those already)
I would like to see it reworked, with more damage and range, but decreased ammo (keeping the mag size)
ashen frigate
true true
fierce nebula
I would like to see it reworked, with more damage and range, but decreased ammo ...
I mean that must makes it a smaller sniper
tardy ingot
eh theres only ever been 3 weapons imo that actively competed with (working) sniper
Hel rifle (same base dmg back then + huge pierce and range)
Scattergun (ridicolus base dmg)
Burst cannon (huge base dmg)
fierce nebula
burst cannon on top baby 130% usage!!!
ashen frigate
Ah, using the HEL Rifle on R4D1 reactor waves <3
(or R5B1O)
It just felt so good anihilating a wave of chargers
jagged shore
(or R5B1O)
hella didn't realize that was an o
craggy pier
was rounding error a problem in og r3
tardy ingot
wdym rounding error?
craggy pier
or did it do less damage back then
craggy pier
wdym rounding error?
doing exactly an enemies hp in damage won't kill them
tardy ingot
yeah but what „did do less dmg“
tardy ingot
doing exactly an enemies hp in damage won't kill them
it did less dmg from what i was told
craggy pier
kk
craggy pier
soft crater
neon gust
it didnt one shot chargers in og r3
20 vs 30
soft crater
30 damage hel rifle has me feeling some type of way
meanwhile the precision leaves it with just enough to headshot a scout
nvm scout head is 3x
I was thinking 2x back
cause of 42 hp
ocean spindle
so u wann kill a scout from the front /j :]
soft crater
not many guns can do it from the front to the body
let alone the ones that can't do it from the front even to the head
at least with 1 shot
ocean spindle
we need the scattaweapon again
tardy ingot
theres at least 4 that can do it from the front with no head (1 not currently ingame)
soft crater
lusty bramble
Scattergun 🤤
fierce nebula
wait until R4 first
dry pumice
Are there any assault rifles left to re-release?
I think there was one with the scope similar to recently added long rifle
Battle rifle... Goddammit, they could've called it battle rifle!
Imma about to infiltrate 10c to improve these naming conventions.
dry pumice
Then what was that one rifle from that steam artwork gif
neon gust
Scattergun
dry pumice
The one that sprays down a tunnel
neon gust
Just like 3 guns left
dry pumice
With giant cubical scops
lusty bramble
r4 auto pistol auto sentry
r5 hsmg double tap sawed off
r6 scattergun
lusty bramble
With giant cubical scops
prob double tap
lusty bramble
have to play the 2018 build for that
lusty bramble
they were trying to hide the state of the game
neon gust
Smg, dmr
neon gust
they were trying to hide the state of the game
^ this too
As a matter of fact some rooms are still "incomplete" without a ceiling and stuff
craggy pier
Are there any assault rifles left to re-release?
Dont know if anyone said it but R4 had the HAR but it was a normal, only became a special in R6
Could they rename R4 HAR and release it as something else?
lusty bramble
No
devout nimbus
is shotgun sentry good yet
lusty bramble
Eh
viral hound
are the comments on steam true about the status of the game where theres “a lot of bugs and the developers are working on a new project and not focusing as much on gtfo” i figured id ask here cuz i was interested in getting into the game
minor fractal
are the comments on steam true about the status of the game where theres “a lot ...
Mostly. The game has always been at least a little buggy, and there has been a mix of some fairly severe bugs present for about a year now.
viral hound
damn, thats unfortunate to hear, are the bugs gamebreaking? or just more of an annoying thing that happens occasionally
minor fractal
Depends on how you interpret them, but they're mostly just annoying.
Of the one or two that are pretty close to softlocks, they are fairly uncommon and there are work-arounds to deal with them.
viral hound
thats honestly not too terrible, yeah i can see it being frustrating especially if it took so long to get past a place just to deal with that but could be worse
minor fractal
The people that are going to complain the most are probably going to be:
-People that are unlucky enough to have very negative experiences with particular bugs.
-Multi-thousand hour players that are aware of all of the many issues GTFO has who are understandably a bit unhappy with the state of the game.
Although most veterans have given up by now, the writing is on the wall.
viral hound
yeah thats pretty much what ive seen. mostly the vets with like 4000 hours, appreciate the answers tho
potent hamlet
Question. For example, having R1C1 unlocked and I play with someone (and that person is the host). If we win the game, I will unlock R1D1 or I have to play and win as the host?
ocean spindle
think u unlock it
but u can join levels u haven't unlocked too of the host haves em u unlocked
potent hamlet
Thanks.
past mesa
Although most veterans have given up by now, the writing is on the wall.
R8 all bugs will be fix
Trust
winged turtle
novel forge
so I'm in R7B1 zone 96, how do I lift the lockdown on the security door cuz I have no idea what to do
topaz anvil
so I'm in R7B1 zone 96, how do I lift the lockdown on the security door cuz I ha...
96? Is this the zone on the bridge with the extraction zone behind it?
novel forge
I've been given no commands
ocean spindle
unless that isnt the room im thinkin about
topaz anvil
? There's a room to the left of the door
novel forge
ye
novel forge
I had the bot carry the baby so it didn't say anything about the machine....
aight
thx
topaz anvil
It says in the top left "bring the neonate to unsealer uns_l02" or whatever
When you query the unsealer its found in zone 96
novel forge
I dumb lol
topaz anvil
Lol
novel forge
aaaaaaaaand I died. continued at checkpoint and I can't pick anything up
am I glitched
topaz anvil
F
noble cape
For R7E1 after the teleport, we got the chargers and pablo teleported with us is that a glitch or did they patch something
craggy pier
did they teleport into the desert zone?
noble cape
did they teleport into the desert zone?
teleported from desert zone to the underground zone
fluid bough
this post describes the issue we're having , not sure if theres a fix yet? https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/11i8pl3/r7e1_chargers_from_the_dessert_now_teleport_back/
weary mesa
Did the door break in commence scan?
lusty bramble
I ALREADY POSTED THIS
NO ONE BELIEVED ME
THEY ALL THOUGHT I WAS SIMON BUT I WAS VIKLUND THE ENTIRE TIME
fluid bough
are they really like instakill when teleporting back? we died too soon to see
lusty bramble
yeah they all have no health
fluid bough
ok, i guess thats better than full lol
lusty bramble
this will never be fixed
weary mesa
Did you guys try to shove him
He should die to it
Might be an update thing like old invincible ladder enemies
jagged shore
does shove do actual damage lmao
weary mesa
Don't know for sure
Enemies used to not die on ladders but if you shoved them after depleting their hp while they were on the ladder you could shove to "kill" them
fluid bough
didnt try shoving but if we dont wipe beforehand ill try it
weary mesa
inb4 32 damage for nothing
past mesa
teleported from desert zone to the underground zone
Sometimes the clear dimensions event just doesn’t trigger
Then you will get Pablo and a set of chargers that you didn’t clear
Not much you can do unfortunately
red flax
Do boosters like "Supply efficiency +40%" apply to just the person with the booster equipped, or does it make it so that if the person with the booster gives supplies to a teammate without the +40% booster, they also get extra supplies?
past mesa
Supply efficiency means any supplies that person gives out either to themselves or others
red flax
Ok so it's better to make the person with the booster equipped give out all supplies then, right?
past mesa
Yeah
past mesa
Ok so it's better to make the person with the booster equipped give out all supp...
But med efficiency is different that supply efficiency
red flax
Yep I saw
past mesa
There is an r5 booster with both but mainly it is one or the other
devout nimbus
Where tf is the wave coming from when we pull an alarm... lore wise? It kinda weird to clear a bunch of rooms and then pull an alarm and all the sudden enemies are coming from said rooms
devout nimbus
And why are they a different pigmentation than those that spawn sleeping... lose wise?
Like ALL the sleepy ones are pale, but ALL the ones that get spawned in look like they actually saw sun and are more tanned
neon gust
Where tf is the wave coming from when we pull an alarm... lore wise? It kinda we...
theres usually this big hole we drop into
fierce nebula
Where tf is the wave coming from when we pull an alarm... lore wise? It kinda we...
I think the intention is that they're supposed to be nearby enemies that break through doors to get to you
but because game mechanics, they just spawn 2 rooms away and chase you
fierce nebula
Like ALL the sleepy ones are pale, but ALL the ones that get spawned in look lik...
I'm not fully sure but if you woke up a sleeper you'd notice they glow ;)
vital sierra
but because game mechanics, they just spawn 2 rooms away and chase you
just make the scan last 10 minutes, then the enemy will have time to get to you
devout nimbus
I'm not fully sure but if you woke up a sleeper you'd notice they glow ;)
Ok well the dark pigment ones glow to but they look dif, also the dark ones and babies have nice clean white teeth while the sleepy ones have yellow teeth that need brushing
stuck elm
Guys does anyone know the spawn interval of the error alarm in R3C1?
icy cave
Guys does anyone know the spawn interval of the error alarm in R3C1?
20 -30 sec
stuck elm
20 -30 sec
ty my dude
icy cave
No problem
limpid valve
Is there a way to fix a broken Terminal? Doing a R3B1 and nobody can click on the terminal with the uplink?
fierce nebula
sounds like major desync with the host
limpid valve
probably, It worked to reconnect
daring temple
Idk if this is the correct channel but its the closet to gtfo queries i could find
are they planning on adding any upscaling forms like FSR or DLSS
noble sierra
No clue at all, but I can't imagine the devs have resource on this
Yes, they are low hanging fruit that increase the game's quality since Unity supports them natively now, but there are too many stuffs like this out there already
daring temple
ye ive just decided to make use of the amd adreanlin's upscaling
floral acorn
afaik 2019.04 didnt have such support yet but dunno anything about anything 🙂
smoky iris
hey so kinda weird question, c1 on altr3 has a random mother scream at one point thru it, as far as i can see no mother exists, is this just lore about what's coming up on d1 or is it just a bug?
kind pond
does enemy AI see foamed doors as a longer route than regular closed doors during alarms?
neon gust
hey so kinda weird question, c1 on altr3 has a random mother scream at one point...
So story telling isnt 10cc forte
Its suppose to be that your getting closer to the prime mom
smoky iris
So story telling isnt 10cc forte
yeah figured that out by now
neon gust
So you open the door and you hear the Pmom scream
smoky iris
Its suppose to be that your getting closer to the prime mom
yeah that was my best guess, aight thanks. was getting paranoid that a mommy was gonna come up from behind in 5 minutes
neon gust
Obviously your character stay silent and dont acknowledge it
neon gust
yeah that was my best guess, aight thanks. was getting paranoid that a mommy was...
Oh trust me everyone tought that would happen 2 years ago
That would be more exciting
But nah just a short stealth section
smoky iris
never got to c1 2 years ago i don't think, didn't have anyone to play with and soloing cringe
ye ok, cheers for clearing it up
neon gust
Ya welcome
Just wait til rundown 4
You gonna find the lore terminal
And our characters are gonna remain silent again.....
When they have voice lines for that terminal
smoky iris
even r3 has em, think there's been 2 terminals in c1 with audio files
neon gust
Youll love it!
smoky iris
tho that wasn't the characters so slightly less funny
neon gust
Oh no but on this terminal theyre suppose to react to it!
smoky iris
well maybe we'll have some reaction in r8 if it comes out within our lifespan
/at all
topaz anvil
You gonna find the lore terminal
which terminal was this
topaz anvil
Bozo
steady swift
this is probably a really stupid question but is shooting the sleepers' legs a viable strategy in combat? They seem to really not like it when their legs are destroyed.
ocean spindle
u only stagger em, and it would be the same thing if u shoot their body
weary mesa
Smalls, not really. Bigs however are nice to limb stagger
ocean spindle
yeah with big ones u need to go for limbs
so u can keep staggerin
but in smols instead aim to the head to kill em, all melees kill a smol one with a hit on the head and some guns can one-shot em too
mossy aurora
Smalls, not really. Bigs however are nice to limb stagger
only big strikers? or it works on big bullrushes too
weary mesa
yes
mossy aurora
ocean spindle
i guess by bullrush u mean big shooters
but u can just go around em hittin the head
tryin to evade their projectiles
mossy aurora
bullrushes dont have head multiplier
weary mesa
Clueless
jagged shore
bullrushes are chargers yeah
sturdy glen
clueless
neon gust
I will kill all of you
sturdy glen
I agree dragon
neon gust
Say chargers like a normal person
jagged shore
i also agree
neon gust
ocean spindle
call em fuckers way easier /j
mental jasper
what are the best weapons against those enemies that hit fast
sturdy glen
mf boutta call the snatcher the pouncer
weary mesa
I do
ocean spindle
what are the best weapons against those enemies that hit fast
specify
most enemies hit fast
jagged shore
🤮
ocean spindle
and u might be new so
neon gust
Playing with z requires a lot of self control
ocean spindle
dont wanna spoil
mossy aurora
what are the best weapons against those enemies that hit fast
which enemy?
weary mesa
Bout to call the immortal the immortal
neon gust
Someone stop this man
ocean spindle
bout to call the caller the phone
neon gust
Hes going insane
weary mesa
Birther gang
neon gust
Be careful with the Striker_fast
ocean spindle
poor newie that sees all this
them thinkin to themselves 'what the fuck'
neon gust
Dont do gtfo kids
sturdy glen
new mfs see the black men and go
neon gust
Terrible adiction
sturdy glen
"bullrush, that seems like a good name"
ocean spindle
dont do bigstriker kids
ocean spindle
they called em punks in the wiki
ive never seen anyone call em that ever
mossy aurora
Dont do gtfo kids
neon gust
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/435416024494505986/1081828404334...
But rifle its not a long range pistol ryk
What are you on about
He knew better than you!
mossy aurora
they died on code 4 twice 😦 maybe they should have brought dmr instead of the shitty dmr, rifle
ocean spindle
GASP
winged turtle
Still calling strikers strikers?
has anyone tried calling them Tongue bois???
Back in my day we used to i n n o v a t e
smh my head
neon gust
Micromanaging the team ☑️
Shitty attitude ☑️
Doesnt know what his talking abiut ☑️
ocean spindle
Still calling strikers strikers?
has anyone tried calling them Tongue bois???
B...
how about
sleepers
neon gust
Its like i had a deja vu
mossy aurora
did u see when they wiped the first time
fresh steeple
can you kill a scout with two bullets if you time it right?
e.g. 2 dmrs firing at almost exactly the same time
weary mesa
yes
ocean spindle
its
easier to just hit it with a melee tho
normally just syncin two shots can be really hard
fresh steeple
yeah but is it possible to do it with one (1) machine gun
ocean spindle
considerin the amount of time it gives u to do it
ocean spindle
yeah but is it possible to do it with one (1) machine gun
oh god no i dont think so
a single machinegun nope
fresh steeple
occupit takes two shots
weary mesa
yes
fresh steeple
i think
weary mesa
if it staggers well then yes
fresh steeple
42/6 = 7 machine gun damage is 3.5
noble sierra
You can but it's tricky
weary mesa
practical no
noble sierra
DMR/hel gun is much more practical
fresh steeple
so its theoretically possible
sturdy glen
2 machinegun shots is possible from behind yeah, idk why you would though
fresh steeple
also possible with hel revolver
ocean spindle
yeah just sounds funky
i would still go in melee
jagged shore
eh sometimes you're just interested in the theory rather than putting it into practice
is neat to know lol
fresh steeple
additional question is it practical to melee a foamed mother or should we just shoot it
ocean spindle
ah dont risk
it ksmdk
fresh steeple
ksmdk?
ocean spindle
keysmash, like 'lol' but funkier
unless u have melee boosters [a lot] or a syringe
noble sierra
It's very practical and even preferred
noble sierra
You don't need c-foam if you have 4 hammer/spear
fresh steeple
really? doesnt it have 1k health distributed over like 6 tumors
ocean spindle
keysmash, like 'lol' but funkier
unless u have melee boosters [a lot] or a syrin...
so how i was sayin, unless u have one of those two its better not to risk it
sturdy glen
it takes 5x damage
fresh steeple
so 100*4 is not 1000? or is there also back damage
noble sierra
No back damage on bosses
jagged shore
i think two hammer hits could stagger it couldn't it lol
wait no nvm
numbers way off
sturdy glen
no you are correct
jagged shore
wait nvm
weary mesa
The stagger value for hammer on mom is 500
sturdy glen
2 full charges
noble sierra
Each tumor is 40eHP
jagged shore
forgot hammer is 100 stagger
weary mesa
So she staggers in two hits
sturdy glen
hammer op
weary mesa
Can bug out tho
ocean spindle
fuck hammer as always
fresh steeple
Each tumor is 40eHP
the source i have says 126
ocean spindle
source like the game engine
fresh steeple
source as in the source
noble sierra
Ah yeah, I'm dumb, 126 / 5 = 25.2 eHP
fresh steeple
so if we all have shotguns we can just one tap the tumors?
jagged shore
tumors don't use precision multi right
noble sierra
Yes, pump shotty can theoratically destory the mother in one clip
fresh steeple
but her stagger hp is the same as her hp so we basically can't stagger?
weary mesa
He needs to post the funny
sturdy glen
stagger multi is a diff thing as well
weary mesa
Stagger hp is consider a different bar
noble sierra
We can if we use weapons that has higher stagger multiplier (like hammer)
fresh steeple
oh ok
sturdy glen
rn only hammer is really
impressive for staggering her
you need a LOT of multi for it to be worth doing over just killing her
noble sierra
Should be but never tried hel shotty on mother
sturdy glen
moms die pretty fast already so like
fresh steeple
also how much equivalent cfoam do you need to equvialent 1 cfoam nade
i think i word that wrong
jagged shore
wiki says it's double a launcher full charge
but don't quote me specifically
noble sierra
Almost 42%
fresh steeple
jesus
ocean spindle
i was gonna ask how bout a mine but mine just freezes i dont think its a foam % kind of thing is it
neon gust
did u see when they wiped the first time
I joined by the second wipe
noble sierra
Explosive tripmine is actually hard to calculate
fresh steeple
doesnt it do 40?
ocean spindle
cfoam mine
ocean spindle
yeah an explosive mine freezin would be funk
also idk, i think its just more a freeze-whatevs even if the foam doesnt hit
...
but like- i could be wrong prerfectly
cause idk anythin of those
noble sierra
cfoam tripmine is regular cfoams + insta freeze aura
Yeah, also hard to numerically evaulated
ocean spindle
just look at em blobs :] /j
fresh steeple
also how to tell sacks from set dec
ocean spindle
like distinguish coocons? they move
but
thats about it they arent hard to distinguish, they always the same color n shape
fresh steeple
theres only one image on the wiki i want to see them from different angles
ocean spindle
ah well the moment u encounter em the level will warn u
just pay attention to the wardens biocom text
but its a while till u see em tho, lots of levels
fresh steeple
they start in rundown 5 right?
sturdy glen
ye
fresh steeple
so i dont have to worry until that ALT + R7
sturdy glen
they might implement them early but I doubt it
fresh steeple
i hope not
noble sierra
That's nothing? Because R4B2 you can easily block spawn and send 2-3 to fetch the osip
Very few levels in R4 a respawn zone would make sense
Mother zone in R4E1 extreme seems good, though
weary mesa
That can just be blocked too
noble sierra
True
winged turtle
ladies and gentleman,
you cannot stagger a scout with the shove.
craggy pier
competence complication
vital sierra
ladies and gentleman,
you cannot stagger a scout with the shove.
you could???
winged turtle
Prowess Problem
winged turtle
you could???
and no, but i heard it on a pub 4 four and seven year ago, and i finally got around to testing it
vital sierra
you could, but if you haven't triggered the scout, then the scream will activate first (or the instant the stagger animation end, it'll scream)
tardy ingot
42/6 = 7 machine gun damage is 3.5
Forgetting the 0.74 precision multi here
tardy ingot
2 full charges
Technically. It does actually take 2 full charges and a tap tho
honest lion
With the sentry change, if I wanna run double sentry, what's the best option? I usually play with 2 other friends so the bot is the one with biotracker for fast ping.
tardy ingot
depending on what you face
with snipers nerf burst just got comparebly better. Shotgun still pretty ass
neon gust
with snipers nerf burst just got comparebly better. Shotgun still pretty ass
its actually pretty decent
it just need to shoot slower
honest lion
So shotgun ... Shoot too fast?
past mesa
yeah
tardy ingot
its actually pretty decent
Do you know what the patch changed exactly for its aim?
tardy ingot
So shotgun ... Shoot too fast?
also obvious bad range
honest lion
Well it is a shotgun
I'll probably switch to burst but I always find burst to use up ammo really quickly
minor fractal
Make sure you point burst forward-facing btw.
craggy pier
whys that
minor fractal
It needs headshots to be good, otherwise it loses most of its potential damage.
craggy pier
got it
minor fractal
If you put it back facing, it will more often hit body when shooting at enemies with certain stances or if they're in certain animations.
It will also often target enemies that are body blocked by other enemies, meaning it's not aiming for the head of the target it's actually hitting.
dry pumice
It also seems to have the same issue sniper had couple patches ago - double-tapping already dead enemies.
Now, i was a client so it could be lag, but i saw the thing trying to double-tap a striker and a shooter that were already dead.
Which also explains horrific ammo efficiency.
soft crater
You can't stop me
uses Sentry cpu speed boosters with Bio tracked enemies
Shotgun sentry: I AM SPEED
minor fractal
Someone should try one-shotting a tank with it.
glad pike
Shotgun sentry: I AM SPEED
I HAVE No more ammo 😔
tardy ingot
Someone should try one-shotting a tank with it.
„1 shotting“
When it shoots 10 times a second
soft crater
You have a hammer. Use it
minor fractal
„1 shotting“
When it shoots 10 times a second
Think of it like a burst fire-mode, you know?
You take it into the mission.
You place it down
It's like a fancy mine deployer.
And then it explodes on something.
glad pike
And then it explodes on something.
proximity shotgun sentry
tardy ingot
And then it explodes on something.
Presumebly teamkilling lea in the process
we tried r7d2 with 2 cpu speed shotgun sentries and bio
it… killed players quickly
minor fractal
Interesting...
glad pike
it would empty quicker than 1 player could refill
just take a sentry ammo and have someone with a 50 use tool stuck to it at all times
ez
minor fractal
+100% supply efficiency.
glad pike
nah, 200%
tardy ingot
yea basically
it unironically shoots too quick
but i feel like the concept doesnt work anyway
glad pike
It's just a one use super shotgun
dry pumice
I don't know, shotgun sentry sounds like an amazing concept, it just needs refinement
Specifically it needs a very close range lock-on and very quick aim-before-shoot
glad pike
I don't know, shotgun sentry sounds like an amazing concept, it just needs refin...
It would need to be refined more than the bots
dry pumice
So you could safe-bet place it around corners and have it blast bypassers into red mist
The issues seems to be low damage, high fire rare, not enough ammo
Either they should reduce fire rate and buff damage so it could reliably oneshot things (turn it into pump action or choker, basically)
Or... They need to like double its ammo economy.
This thing CAN deal damage, but it eats too much.
glad pike
The issues seems to be low damage, high fire rare, not enough ammo
and changing these would turn it into the new meta (it would be way too powerful)
glad pike
Either they should reduce fire rate and buff damage so it could reliably oneshot...
that just makes it a sniper copy
dry pumice
Backwards sniper to be precise.
Sniper: long range lock on, long aim time.
Shotgun: close range lock on, instant aim time.
They could cover each other and synergise but balance hard as it turns out.
glad pike
but I don't want a portable shredder
tardy ingot
The issue with this is
Keep giving is stat buffs and at some point it outstats other sentries x2
Buff its dmg, lower fire rate. Basically sniper just short range.
You could maybe play around this by giving it near insta targetting and long shot delay between shots but still, why not just sniper
High firerate lowish dmg? Just burst sentry + (or if balanced, weaker burst sentry)
So the unique areas left imo are:
-
super fast killer of waves. Leading to bad ammo economy. Exchange high killer power for short uptime with high cost)
-
stagger. Lower dmg, increase stagger. Balance ammo/fire rate accordingly. Possibly makes auto sentry obsolete
dry pumice
Sniper can't hold small rooms and tight corners. Especially with recent nerfs. Shit takes too long to aim.
Again, they could cover each other. If one can't be placed - the other takes its place.
But yeah, there's a risk of turning it into superior sniper sentry.
I don't know... It needs experimentation.
craggy pier
is the extract in r3c1 in zone 20?
dry pumice
At worst - just give it HEL properties and same spread as scattergun.
Turn it into aoe crowd controller that sprays corridors with damageless lead.
craggy pier
so whats the point of zone 18 19 20 then?
ashen frigate
The HSU can spawn in zone 20
or in zone 17
(well, the one you need to reach, that is)
craggy pier
ah i see
cloud fox
Can Hel weps penetrate multiple mom tumors?
icy cave
Turn it into aoe crowd controller that sprays corridors with damageless lead.
Don't worry when Auto sentry comes back they'll get the balance just right
glad pike
Don't worry when Auto sentry comes back they'll get the balance just right
like they've done with bots?
icy cave
like they've done with bots?
that's the joke
ashen frigate
Just you wait. You are not ready to face the power of all 4 sentries at the same time
latent obsidian
its like exodia. You place all 4 down in the same spot and it turns into... exodia I guess
dry pumice
Don't worry when Auto sentry comes back they'll get the balance just right
Sometimes I want to infiltrate the developers just to do balance changes.... I hate bad balance, especially when it's disgustingly obvious.
icy cave
Sometimes I want to infiltrate the developers just to do balance changes.... I h...
4 sentry meta
glad pike
Just you wait. You are not ready to face the power of all 4 sentries at the same...
The four horsemen
dry pumice
I tried the 3 sentry squad for As and it was fun.
Each sentry was doing its own thing
dry pumice
Sniper sniped, burst staggered, shotgun held a ladder and ripped anything that moved in bits
glad pike
I would love for it to assemble into a mega-sentry
A 3-round burst with sniper bullets and shotgun spread
dry pumice
I still don't understand why they went for burst and not full auto from get go
glad pike
I still don't understand why they went for burst and not full auto from get go
because brrrrt brrrrt brrrrt, instead of brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt
glad pike
they were probably thinking about ammo usage
tranquil arch
There was an auto sentry in game
Well, will probably reappear later on when things rotate for more alt rundowns anyway
Pretty sure it isn't considered very good compared to burst now tho, it mostly existed to stagger.
dry pumice
I know, that's what I'm saying.
tranquil arch
Even though current shotgun isn't as good as OG R1/R2 shotgun sentry of yore
glad pike
I have no idea what the auto sentry is like because I'm a new boy
tranquil arch
It is still decent for some things
Like defending your face in a tight hallway point blank
dry pumice
Not only they went for burst instead of auto (when one is a far easier design choice, especially as a proof of concept, but then they added auto later and made it disgustingly inferior.
And now they can't coexist
tranquil arch
Or for putting behind doors to delay waves breaking in.
dry pumice
Worthless feature, perma foam takes care of that
tranquil arch
Do both in a scenario you cannot perma foam
But yes, one mine and repeat foam generally better
Until you have multiple doors being broken at once
Pretty rare that will be an issue outside terminal uplink waves though
inner field
Wouldn't you want them to be hitting multiple doors instead of inconsistently staggering them with the sentry?
Because of the global hit cooldown
tranquil arch
It doesn't matter for terminal uplink
Terminal uplink waves spawn after X time has passed
As opposed to amount of enemies dead in a wave
Obviously they spawn cap still tho.
latent obsidian
How is that different to a normal alarm?
tranquil arch
Normal alarm spawns wave when half of previous wave is dead.
lunar rain
What level in r 3 has a ||mother|| ?
inner field
What does their spawning have to do with what I said though? 
tranquil arch
I mean, it doesn't change anything. Yeah, they will take longer to break a single door when hitting all of them due to the global timer.
But like, doesn't mean much, still gonna break one eventually.
Can't always run between all doors refoaming.
latent obsidian
Normal alarm spawns wave when half of previous wave is dead.
This is news to me. So if you never kill the first wave a second is not going to spawn? 🤨
glad pike
This is news to me. So if you never kill the first wave a second is not going to...
I'm about 90% sure this is untrue
latent obsidian
I've never heard anyone say this before so I'm skeptical
tardy ingot
Not only they went for burst instead of auto (when one is a far easier design ch...
back then auto was better than burst lol
glad pike
I think a certain "number" can spawn
that's called the entity cap and it's set pretty high
tranquil arch
But at least back in original GTFO that was how regular alarm waves worked, they have changed since then though a bit afaik.
Yes I know we have entity cap
Not that
tardy ingot
Or for putting behind doors to delay waves breaking in.
yeah nah
thats not how that works
also if they try to break multiple doors at once perma foam becomes even better
tranquil arch
Pretty sure no more than two waves can be active at once before said rule applies
tardy ingot
theres a spawn cap depending on what kind of alarm it is
tranquil arch
You can start an alarm, lock enemies out and it won't continue spawning them until some have died after initial two waves or so, go test.
tardy ingot
and a wave will spawn a specific value (which translates to amount) of enemies
uplinks usually just spawn smaller waves
tranquil arch
Yes, value of 12
latent obsidian
and what is the spawn cap?
tranquil arch
Where some larger enemies equal more
tardy ingot
so they spawn multiple before their spawn cap stops them from spawning
tranquil arch
Global spawn cap is 40 or 50 something iirc.
tardy ingot
and what is the spawn cap?
depends on alarm (like r6d3 shadow error was like 12)
but usually its like in the twenties
tranquil arch
For all spawns active
tardy ingot
Global spawn cap is 40 or 50 something iirc.
there is no "global spawn cap"
enemies can always be added from blood doors or asleep rooms. it will just lag
ive had 60+ babies and 40+ enemies up
latent obsidian
So this just sounds like normal enemy spawning being delayed by the spawn cap then
tranquil arch
Then that has changed, because it did not work that way
latent obsidian
not anything about half the previous wave
tranquil arch
Until they died
It definitely DID work that way, at least prior to EA ending
Literally was the meta
tardy ingot
theres a maximum amount of spawns for any kind of alarm/scout and a seperate one for each mom and all moms total (afaik)
you could always stack spawn cap with an alarm. then wake up every single enemy you can reach for like 100 awake enemies
thats been how it worked from back then basically
latent obsidian
I think we can discount enemies that spawned on the level already and waking up...
wise thicket
I’m previous wasn’t the spawn cap bigger? Then they nerfed it for balance and performance
latent obsidian
I mean what else would you expect regarding them
tardy ingot
I’m previous wasn’t the spawn cap bigger? Then they nerfed it for balance and pe...
that hasnt changed
tranquil arch
They are separate from wave based ones.
wise thicket
that hasnt changed
Hm. Must be thinking of something else
tardy ingot
thats why my explanation above
Total wave spawn cap (not including blood doors) is smth around 30
or high twenties
tranquil arch
It definitely used to be higher
tardy ingot
no
latent obsidian
so lets say spawn cap is 30 and wave sizes of 12 are spawning, if you kill no enemies will a wave of 6 spawn, or will a wave of 12 spawn only after 6 are killed?
tranquil arch
I know that for a fact
tardy ingot
not in r1,r2,r4,r5
tranquil arch
Been here since r2...I am pretty positive it was. But doesn't apply now anyway, so whatever.
tardy ingot
so lets say spawn cap is 30 and wave sizes of 12 are spawning, if you kill no en...
theres also a timer for waves to respawn
tranquil arch
I was aware they changed some things at some point.
latent obsidian
theres also a timer for waves to respawn
for the latter case, assuming that enough time has passed
tardy ingot
spawn caps werent ever that high
@latent obsidian if 12 slots are open 12 should spawn
latent obsidian
but if 11 are open none will spawn until all 12 slots are open?
tardy ingot
afaik (might be wrong tho)
latent obsidian
Because this sounds like the case Malph was arguing although the underlying system is different
tranquil arch
Yes
You can literally test it
By withholding them from entry or death
And just delaying them, no spawns come.
Can biotrack to see how many are stacked.
latent obsidian
Yeah, sure, but that could be spawn cap, not what you described
The result after killing 6 enemies is the same no matter whose theory you follow
a new wave spawns
either because you killed half the previous wave or because there are enough slots to spawn a wave without exceeding the spawn cap
tranquil arch
It is more likely the slots
latent obsidian
Maybe you agreed from the start but worded it in a really weird way idk
tardy ingot
surges explain it better
tranquil arch
As opposed to half wave as I thought
tardy ingot
from what i remember they spawn in packs of 3 with basically no cd
tardy ingot
so you can technically be below spawn cap with them if 1 occupies the last triplet open
tranquil arch
D4RK's slots explanation probably explains it better
latent obsidian
Yeah, this seems consistent with what I've seen
tranquil arch
But either way, while there is a cap on terminal uplink waves too for example.
They still just spawn on a timer instead
Meaning faster uplink, less waves.
Versus regular alarm where it acts differently.
latent obsidian
tbh I still don't see how its different all this being said
tardy ingot
i mean regular alarm also is "faster alarm, less waves"
latent obsidian
they are both spawning waves after a set amount of time, and limited by the spawn cap
tardy ingot
uplink has a different mechanic tho where it stops all queued wave from spawning (even scout waves) when you finish one
latent obsidian
The numbers might be tuned a bit different but the mechanic is the same
tardy ingot
uplinks basically turn off all current alarm waves
tranquil arch
I think alpha has a more comprehensive video for the spawn mechanics in general from a year ago.
Need to check it out.
Idk if it all still applies tho.
tardy ingot
they basically didnt change anything
latent obsidian
uplink has a different mechanic tho where it stops all queued wave from spawning...
so pro tech for R6D2 then, open the 6 cscout zone and then alert it just before you finish the secondary double uplink? 😁