gtfo-related-questions

[distant ice]

Explosion Hitbox can extend past the laser

[winged turtle]

around/through hard physical barriers?

[turbid horizon]

yes unfortuately

😔

[winged turtle]

OOHH tech tech tech tech

[steady skiff]

Will more weapons be added

[distant ice]

99% not until R8

Except for readding stuff we already had

[scenic viper]

This sounds useful

[winged turtle]

that counts ya?

[scenic viper]

Set up a blocked laser aimed at the bottom of a cfoamed ladder

Shoot it when enough gather

[winged turtle]

TECH TECH TECH TECH

[scenic viper]

I'm gonna test this tomorrow

Seems promising tho if true

[winged turtle]

it's only gonna be useful in like three spots in the whole game, goodness gracious what a spot those three will be!

[scenic viper]

I mean it goes further

If you can set up a slightly blocked laser on say

A bridge or pointing towards a door

You could manually trigger it depending on positioning

[scenic viper]

I think there's also something to done here with bloody doors and hybrids even if you can't get the perfect height

Place it high enough it won't trigger by accident and shoot it when they try to run through

If headshot damage works, could deal 100 to each

[long scaffold]

At what point is someone considered a proper GTFO player and not a noob anymore?

[craggy pier]

50-100 hours in

[tardy ingot]

i mean you can fail and die a lot if you only play EVAL for 100 hours

possibly?

realistically its more an understanding level
Since you have people in other games with hundreds of hours who have no clue i guess?

[craggy pier]

i suppose

but gotta give the average player some credit

[tardy ingot]

oh yeah sure
i just remember a lot of r6 players who didnt even know spawn rules with over 60 hours
thats definetly below "average"

i mean you are probably not a noob anymore the moment you are able to get a party through C levels (main) without heavily struggling (non r1 c levels id add i guess?)

since noob implies... pretty bad

[craggy pier]

does carrying bots count 🤔

[willow dragon]

I say you're not a noob once you have a good understanding of how the game works. How to react and deal with situations efficiently when they arrive. Once you lose that hesitation you're no longer a noob

Whether that takes 50 hours or 500

[craggy pier]

that sums it up well

[winged turtle]

i might say you are no longer a noob once you can adapt how you play to the team around you, similar but different metric

[scenic viper]

You can't do this to me

I have 170 hours and I need an excuse

[winged turtle]

i am at 275

I need an excuse lol

[past mesa]

To be honest gtfo is a game where the game isn’t that hard it doesn’t require much from you in terms of Mechanics once you understand stealth assume you have any shooter knowledge your probably out of the noob category

[scenic viper]

If you didn't think this game was very hard, you and I have had very different experiences

[past mesa]

Well if you started pre 6 yeah

But currently this game doesn’t ask much of you in terms of shooter mechanics

[scenic viper]

What games are you comparing GTFO to, which you would say it is easy in comparison to?

[past mesa]

Valorant overwatch csgo, halo laso

Honestly even fortnite

[scenic viper]

Those are VS shooters

You're comparing a PVE experience to a PVP one

Halo legendary campaigns pale in comparison to GTFO difficulty

[past mesa]

Legendary all skulls idk bro

[scenic viper]

[past mesa]

But even then what I am comparing it to is what it asked from you mechanically

[vital sierra]

but first, you have to understand those mechanic

[winged turtle]

ya, pvp requires you to do a lot of the shoot bang good, this game asks you do some of the shoot bang good nuff

[scenic viper]

Comparing a pvp game to a pve one in terms of difficulty

You'd have to set up goalposts

And if we're talking competition, idk if gtfo speed running is easier than playing cs go

If your goal is just to beat levels, left for dead, vermintide, payday, and just about every other game in the genre is far easier

[past mesa]

It isn’t that is why I do it

[scenic viper]

[past mesa]

But most people don’t care for speed running this game

Idk

[scenic viper]

And again, when you talk about how hard gtfo is, almost everyone is talking about completing the levels

[vital sierra]

speedrunning isn't that mainstream anymore

[scenic viper]

Not competing for world records in them

Not sure if that's what you meant either way

[past mesa]

All I am saying is if you can get sliver in Valorant you posses the shooter mechanics to beat any gtfo level

[scenic viper]

I'm not sure that's true

Shooters dodge better than cs go and valorant silver players

[past mesa]

You might be right

[vital sierra]

man, silver valorant is that good?

[scenic viper]

And most cs go players sit still when you shoot em

I haven't played as much val

[vital sierra]

better than R6 Siege Best player in the world

[past mesa]

It is the zoomers man they be zooming

[scenic viper]

There's something to be said about how erratically the enemies in this game move compared to other shooters

Repeatedly headshotting the big shooters is incredibly frustrating with how they rapidly flail their head around

[upper ginkgo]

well if you're trying to shoot from a distance yeah
but even then most of the time they run at you at a straight line
a lot of them even stand still to do their attack animation

[scenic viper]

Strikers spend like half their time dodging you, and shooters are definitely the harder to hit of the two

Getting hit in this game flinches you harder than any other shooter I've ever played

If a friend shoots a striker they stagger like crazy

There goes your headshot

Etc

The easiest way to get headshots is to exclusively fight strikers, only fight the ones that charge you, and don't bring bots

But headshotting them while avoiding shooter projectiles, staggering any simultaneous chargers, landing any necessary followup bodyshots, and then compensating for stagger from teammates?

There's a reason I don't bring the pistol

I actually find headshotting from a distance way easier

That's why I like the dmr

Attack animation is definitely the easiest time to shoot most enemies tho

[vital sierra]

one thing i know that, by playing gtfo, i lose interest in other game that isn't hard

[scenic viper]

The hardest part of GTFO is convincing people to play it with you

[vital sierra]

i got a bunch

[jaunty bear]

this is a mood

[icy cave]

That's not hard at all tho 😅

[winged turtle]

That because you don't try to convince people to buy it, you talk to people who just bought it and joined the Discord 🤣

[icy cave]

And that is the loophole my friend

But in the meantime I got a list now of 20+ folks willing to play

[winged turtle]

true, God bless this Discord

[icy cave]

Exactly. My point as well is that it is no use to be scared of the people here. The community is nice and welcoming

Unless you ask for permanent saves in that case: rot in hell 👀

[winged turtle]

or you complain about something besides checkpoints, then the community "Skill Issue"s upon you like hawks 🤣

[icy cave]

😂😂

Nah let the people be 😃

[winged turtle]

thats my line brother!

[scenic viper]

Edit: convincing people you like to play it with you

[icy cave]

Learn to like the people that play. 👍

[scenic viper]

The goal is to keep hanging out with people you're close with, not trade them out for strangers and then "learn to like" those strangers every time you pick up a new hobby

[icy cave]

My goal*

[scenic viper]

The goal in the statement you responded to.

If your goal is to just play with strangers and teach yourself to like then whenever you pick up a new hobby, the issue is never gonna be finding people to play with

[icy cave]

If you had read by doing this I know have a stable group of 20 folks I can play with and with whom I have a good connection

Point

over

[scenic viper]

Damn you really schooled me huh

[icy cave]

Thank you for listening to my ted talk

[icy cave]

👆

[craggy pier]

I really wonder how the game would have fared with some system akin to some MMOs, which would basically be a little more than a lobby browser

Only advantage I can think about would be that in Discord you can ask a mod to boot someone out of the server if they're really misbehaving

[tardy ingot]

when someone tries to convince his team that they need precision rifle to deal with giants

[craggy pier]

but it does... to some extent

[neon gust]

Why

Just because it have a scope doesnt mean it can deal with giants

[icy cave]

Block them

everywhere

[tardy ingot]

litteraly the worst special to deal with giants rn

Cant 1 clip a single giant and has an awful reload.
Hell even revolver does way better vs giants

[tardy ingot]

But sniper

it scope so sniper

[turbid horizon]

what is precision good for, far away shadow giants?

[weary mesa]

Smalls and shadows

Flyers too

[turbid horizon]

hmmm

[tardy ingot]

smalls
shadows (smalls and scouts)
mom/dad

it rly only excells vs shadow scouts tho where its legit the best gun

[turbid horizon]

ohhh does it one tap anywhere on head?

[tardy ingot]

ye

[craggy pier]

it can 1 tap giant heads but no 1 kill

[turbid horizon]

I meant for shadow scutes

[craggy pier]

yeah it does

[turbid horizon]

ok thats pretty good for like C3, if we had ammo

but we don't unless u run a booster

[craggy pier]

i think you mean skill issue

[turbid horizon]

ok actually D2 it'd be ok if you got shadow zone

also man can we talk ab the zoom on PDW sight

I wish it didn't zoom

[craggy pier]

its not bad

tho i rarely use it

[turbid horizon]

yeah but like

it could not do that and it'd be better imo

[craggy pier]

i suppose like the ar

also i concluded that c3pe with bots is impossible unless you have a cpless run

[turbid horizon]

oh does the checkpoint screw you over?

[craggy pier]

makes bots lose ammo n tool

aids

lots of it

[willow dragon]

Depending on the terminal locations it's very possible to do checkpointless

[winged turtle]

what other rng is in that all bots run? thats it right?

[craggy pier]

even if the terminals are far its not a problem cuz bots peform better when they are moving n shooting

the issue is getting there without the bots running out of ammo and trying to melee

cant give them all the ammo then i risk losing it when having to cp

[fierce nebula]

I love cp

[craggy pier]

I too enjoy not playing the game like most elitists here

[tardy ingot]

man i sure love using checkpoints. enhances the gameplay a lot

[craggy pier]

Perma holding rtx 6090

[craggy pier]

What are hilarious are the voicelines after using a checkpoint "I've no idea how we survived that!"

"jesus my balls are halfway up me arse after that one" -hackett

[neon gust]

I want medal for that shit - hacket?

Hacket had the funniest o es

[craggy pier]

isnt that bishop?

[neon gust]

Havent heard daudas ones yet

Probably bugged

[neon gust]

Probably

Funnily enough never heard woods nor dauda

[craggy pier]

ive heard woods but i dont remember them 😬

[shrewd dirge]

for someone to get a clear from a mission, how loaded into the game do they have to be?

feet on floor?

[violet jungle]

wym

[winged turtle]

uhhhhif you are still dropping when the extraction scan finishes is what i would bet counts as too late, but i have not test it

[royal hemlock]

Whats like the top 5 guns in GTFO?

[ocean spindle]

the ones u prefer! there arent really 'bad guns' on the game, its more preference than anythin

there arent neither 'best guns', but if at one point a gun is introduced and its very very powerful, u will know by using it probably

[royal hemlock]

Alright thank you, I guess ill just stick with my original loadout

[tardy ingot]

pre r4 ext Sniper 💀

[ocean spindle]

i read ext as exterior

[tardy ingot]

hel revo
giga chad buffed carbine
R6 sniper
Hel gun
R6 scattergun

[ocean spindle]

u can try all guns, i would recommend to play all of em at least a couple times

[tardy ingot]

theres definetly a ranking for gun power.
But usually its a mix of comfort + specific situations (aka a sniper wont outperform a revolver vs giants or vs smalls in vice versa)

so trying everything and getting a feel for it and then thinking about what you need is the best ye

[ocean spindle]

yeah, i mean, thats why i dont like sayin theres bad or good guns [except the bad sawed off- i didnt played it but ive seen it], theres just guns, and just depends on the preferences, some people like more the burst guns some people like the precision ones better, and even tho some have better stats than others, at the end if one doesnt comfy using it, it just wont work

[mossy aurora]

Sawed off wasn't bad

[royal hemlock]

Yay I've been playing with the bullpup rifle but I am still looking for a good special weapon for myself since i'm screwed when I reload

[ocean spindle]

i mean, im sure it was usable and even good in some situations, maybe as a pre hel shotgun but stronger and slower
... idk i never saw almost anyone use it

[mossy aurora]

Sawed off has a different function than hel shotgun

It was a lot worse as client with sniper melee but was decent as host, you just 1 shot everything that walks up to attack you

Probably the most effective against shadows as they are always standing, slow, and need to be close anyways for you to see them well unpinged

[tardy ingot]

Yeeee thats kinda why the bullpup is on the worse side for mains

Reload is crap. Otherwise it is actually pretty fine

[ocean spindle]

seems fair, i think it has more ammo than the pump as well, and its a main

[tardy ingot]

sawed off was bad lol

but bad doesnt mean unuseable

precision rifle rn is also bad

spear is bad

[ocean spindle]

i like how i just said yeah theres no bad guns and then
uh
yknow fair enough its an opinion, number opinion, spreadsheet opinion, facts opinion

[tardy ingot]

facts opinion

i mean. It depends on what people think of as bad

i have it personally as „below par“. A below average gun that has severe short comings for not enough gains

A lot of people have it as „shit unuseable gun that will do nothing“

We beat r2 with sniper and actually got some value out of it. The gun was bad tho, rly bad (not even a subjective thing)

anyone who says it was good is memeing

[ocean spindle]

idk about r6 from below, ive seen the levels [and ive seen the sight it had, wow that sight] but not much else
also yeah, depends on what people think as bad, ive talked about this with u, the nothin recoil, medium range, the sight and the amount of bullets just makes the bullpup the gun i usually pick, cause i dont have to aim as much if im on a corridor, and thats very useful for me

[tardy ingot]

I mean bullpup is actually a fine gun with everything but reload

r2 sniper couldnt 1 shot giants

hell it couldnt even kill them in a single mag from the front

[vital sierra]

i think most gun should be like bullpup

have good stat but with a bad "something" with it

having an All rounded gun would overshadow everything like HEL gun

[tardy ingot]

i mean youd still have to have all rounders aswell (see shotgun)

hel gun is moreso just an all rounder AND pierce

the „down side“ is charge up yeeeah bout that

[vital sierra]

shotgun is bad for range for obvious reason

[tardy ingot]

can also go for high cal, for even more all rounder (pre nerf)

[royal hemlock]

Jesus carbine is amazing 💀

[vital sierra]

and then we have a shotgun that's not bad for range (choke mod)

[tardy ingot]

but low mag yep

[vital sierra]

carbine just has everything at this point

30 - 40 mag for carbine is enough

[royal hemlock]

Probably gonna get a mag nerf or a damage nerf

[ocean spindle]

i only tried the carbine once... discovered i dont like burst weapons! they dont feel very good for me! and im missin out on a good gun!

[vital sierra]

people don't like burst weapon

[tardy ingot]

carbine buff again next rundown?

[vital sierra]

but then burst rifle exist

[tardy ingot]

[vital sierra]

and people like burst rifle

[tardy ingot]

I swear. The only gun i legit hate rn (and loved before) is HAR

[vital sierra]

i like HAR

[tardy ingot]

idk WHY they decided shitty random recoil was the way to „balance“ it

[vital sierra]

i can still control the recoil

[tardy ingot]

my baby in r6

nah you cant „control“ it

[ocean spindle]

theres a good question
whats the difference between the burst rifle and the carbine?

[vital sierra]

it's just wasn't as good as MG

[tardy ingot]

you can work around it

[royal hemlock]

Which is better the mastaba or shelling, I'm really just looking for a gun that can help take out big bois faster.

[vital sierra]

it's like Buck AR in R6

it's fine

for me

[tardy ingot]

buck AR?

[tardy ingot]

mastaba was what?

[vital sierra]

rainbow 6 siege game

[ocean spindle]

the revolver i think

[tardy ingot]

ah never played

[vital sierra]

there is an operator name buck with horrible recoil AR

[neon gust]

Heavy ar primary its my favorite (not lying)

[royal hemlock]

its the big revolver

[vital sierra]

i could control that gun so i'm not really feel that bad with HAR

[tardy ingot]

oh. You mean both specials?
Revolver and high cal?

[vital sierra]

personal opinion

[royal hemlock]

yes

[tardy ingot]

i mean i can control stuff. But making the gun feel like shit compared to before is just yikes

high cal deals with bigs better.
Also 1 shots strikers everywhere in a specific range. But has far less ammo and a slower reload

[ocean spindle]

i would like if it had a different reload, i think its the same reload as the pistol but slowed down right?

[royal hemlock]

Alright thank you for the input, the reload should be fine since the carbine's reload is just godly

[tardy ingot]

r6 HAR >>>>>>>>>> r7 HAR

i mean they didnt even change the stats much. I think reload cancel got fucked a bit? but otherwise the gun just feels bad

[weary mesa]

best/op guns discussion
no mention of Burst Cannon
???

[ocean spindle]

i mean were not supposed to mention every single one

[frail owl]

Hey guys. I've completed R7B3 prisoner efficiency for the first time today, but didn't get any cosmetics (I had already completed it before, but only the main objective). Have secondary, overload and PE exclusive rewards been removed from the game?

[weary mesa]

yes

PE never had rewards anyways

But now only main completions will be giving cosmetics

[ocean spindle]

i thought that completin all the secondary sectors did give u somethin?

is that not a thing on the apparel tab?

i mean... not in r1 naturally, but on r7

[violet jungle]

they took that away

[frail owl]

thanks for the answer!

[minor fractal]

4-round burst, shorter range, and high RoF vs. 3-round burst, longer range, and a bit lower RoF.

BR is basically a light DMR in terms of how it plays.

[willow dragon]

Carbine is busted, and gets buffed every rundown. That is all.

[violet jungle]

i like the carbine

[soft crater]

LF Rifle

[craggy pier]

where's burst cannon

[craggy pier]

carbine is fucking great

it has good dps and stacks of ammo

[willow dragon]

A person of culture

[violet jungle]

yes

[glad grove]

question to get the black palletet can you complete a mission youve already done?

[ocean spindle]

yes

[winged turtle]

yaas

[raw rain]

There a way to see what items are in a zone outside of resources? Like can I query lockers/boxes to see if they have tripmines or c-foam grenades

[craggy pier]

nope only resources and objective items

[raw rain]

dang

[craggy pier]

its kinda annoying but you get used to it

[winged turtle]

oh you can list doors and lockers, but not consumables

[glad grove]

Generally you can tell the amount of tools in an area cause lockers don’t spawn with nothing in them

[winged turtle]

god bless glowsticks

[smoky raft]

is the weapon damage spreadsheet from 2 years ago still accurate or have there been balance changes that made it inaccurate?

[willow dragon]

Its changed quite a bit

[craggy pier]

there been changes so you got to dig some more

[willow dragon]

check the wiki for damage values

[shrewd dirge]

what you can do is loot a zone for all resource lockers, whatever lockers are left only have misc pickups.
you can count the number of unopened lockers and boxes on the map.

if a zone has a large number of lockers and boxes, but very few resources, chances are there might be a lot of misc in that zone.

a common trick on very foggy levels to find extra repellers if you need them

certain maps have different weightings for misc items.

or at least feel that way

[tardy ingot]

They have

[tender root]

How do you guys think devs will handle R4E1 Extreme with stamina? Either needs to be nerfed, we need to be given a whole lot more ammo, or lets us run our circles (please)

[weary mesa]

You're kidding right

[weary mesa]

I'll take that as a yes

Shooting for the whole time still yielded 15+ ammo packs

Main only is actually harder than Extreme

[vital sierra]

imagine playing as a team

[weary mesa]

Actually will be able to kill all 4 mom with BC and new hammer

[waxen jetty]

u can already do that

[weary mesa]

R4 isn't out tho 🤔

[waxen jetty]

k

[craggy pier]

one mag mom with bc with 17 bullets is too hard because you need to do a reload and armour multi

[winged turtle]

is R7D1 ovl having 2 to 4 Snatchers per wave confirmed to be a bug? i offered the work around and he reacted like it was intended to be one per person

[past mesa]

Who reacted like that

[neon gust]

Its suppose to be 1 snatcher

any more than that its just desync bug\

[silver fable]

I've been known to say "a snatcher per player, as intended" on ahto's stream when people asked why we didn't restart until we got only 1 or whatever

but I'm memeing, I confess

I still want to finish the duo with double-snatcher waves though

seems like the res is there to support it

and single snatcher waves were too easy when we did get that

we had a majorly scuffed run that still just kinda worked out fine, without us playing well at all to pull it back

[winged turtle]

ehhh a rando, not rude enough to report

i just wanted permission to say what i know with a little more authority

[silver fable]

I don't think the res in the level supports 4 snatchers per wave without degenerate play, though

[neon gust]

fucking scream at them

go full monke

be the bigger monke

[silver fable]

I think people have dived into the data blocks and confirmed it's meant to be one snatcher per wave

[winged turtle]

nah i don't go monke in this game

[neon gust]

[winged turtle]

its good, but not tire-myself-out-on-internet-strangers good

[silver fable]

Actually, maybe the devs should comment on this in the known issues channel

[winged turtle]

[neon gust]

you can go like me in r3 and just say nah man your wrong its this

and if they dont like it then so be it

[silver fable]

although they've basically added nothing to the known issues channel in like 6 months

[winged turtle]

i do need to get more comfortable with the:

. "no"

[neon gust]

The no word its pretty powerfull

and its always awkward when your in a room full of strangers

[winged turtle]

bro, if I was trying to make this level easy for you, I would just ||rhythm game || so we can walk through the level and paint each others toes

but I didn't put that on the menu now did I? no i am just telling you how to fix a bug

lol i am more bothered by that than i thought i was

[neon gust]

we all got rough days

[icy cave]

Block them on every social media and write a reddit post about them.

[winged turtle]

damn, alright, i feel it, first two blocks in the same day here on Discord

[icy cave]

Damn are you turning into.... a radical? 🧐

blocked

ok 😔

[winged turtle]

nah you fine lol

you aren't aggressive or a radical, but you do not communicate with conflict resolution in mind 😂

[icy cave]

I tell it straight 😎

[winged turtle]

hahah, yaaaaaa, thats what i said

[hushed pecan]

most helmets say mark 1 in their name

does this mean we will get mark 2s?

[icy cave]

Never paid attention to that. But there are no stats tied to cosmetics so it's not gonna change anything gameplay wise

[winged turtle]

false. Without orange safety vests the chances of shooting a fellow hunter increase dramatically. gun safety 201

[craggy pier]

lugubrius gives you 100% more swag

or w/e the fuckits called

[hushed pecan]

yeah, but probably looks cooler

[icy cave]

That's why I wear it

[icy cave]

Fair as a burger you would know about gun safety the best. I can only accept your expertise

[craggy pier]

where e1

[icy cave]

You have the 100 clears already?

[craggy pier]

no i'm not schizophrenic

[icy cave]

hmmmm the many you there are on the discord say otherwise ..... 😅

[craggy pier]

can't wait till they add the neon rainbow palette for finishing all rundowns

[rare leaf]

does c foam have a time limit on how long it stays on a door?

[vital sierra]

nope

only floor (5 minutes)

[rare leaf]

awesome thanks!

[worthy basalt]

Only in June

[spring pebble]

Me when all of my paintjobs are dark and I can't be agressively bright for FF avoidance

[turbid horizon]

Miracle palette

[spring pebble]

Oh I know, just don't got it yet

[turbid horizon]

[latent obsidian]

Miracle best palette

[winged turtle]

oh i just remembered! they also said R4 and R5 were balanced around kiting!

maybe they weren't a real player, and i was playing with a muppet

[icy cave]

🙄

[weary mesa]

Someone said they should nerf R4E1 Extreme or let us run in circles

[shrewd dirge]

cant wait to go through r4e1 with thermals

[icy cave]

I remember. it makes me sad

[lofty mist]

Is the R7 combat music going to be the permanent track for the rest of the game’s life? It really sucks without the pumping bass

[craggy pier]

it is underwhelming for sure

r6 was good

[weary mesa]

There's music besides start of combat and end of combat?

[lofty mist]

Fr

So much personality before, now it’s just a generic tension orchestra that doesn’t really fit the game’s vibe that much

[weary mesa]

Oh I didn't notice the music before this anyways

Only one I remember is the stringed instrument from R3

[languid yoke]

Hi, total noob here. I completed the training level yesterday and I'm going through the menu with rundowns at the moment. What does artifact heat mean?

And what's the difference between a rundown and an expedition?

[craggy pier]

how much it would add to your booster progression

less heat less progress

[languid yoke]

Booster progression? Did I miss a part of the tutorial somewhere...

[craggy pier]

no its not explained in the tutorial

[winged turtle]

a rundown is a campaign, rundown-1 has 6 levels, rundown-7 has 10 levels ect
an expedition is another name for a level

[craggy pier]

it only shows you the basic gameplay

[winged turtle]

boosters are the little things you can equip before a mission, below your tools/melee, but above your cosmetics

[craggy pier]

artifacts are crystallized objects that u find around the complex, collect them and you may be rewarded with a booster which offers bonuses small or big depending on the type

[winged turtle]

boosters are consumables, so once you bring a booster on an expedition, it is used up.

collecting artifacts during a level increases your progression to unlocking randomized new ones

[winged turtle]

if you are on US time i can take you through an early level and give you the full tutorial

[languid yoke]

I'm in West Eu

it's starting to make sense though

[winged turtle]

okay! then if you make a lfg post in lfg-beginners, and ask for someone to show you the ropes, you can find someone to answer all the questions you have!

just as a base, the two primary game systems in GFTO are the Gunplay, and the Stealth.
the two secondary systems are Resource Management and Terminals.

and there is a ton if technique and tricks for all of those systems

[languid yoke]

I'll do that

thanks for the explanation!

[winged turtle]

no problemo! feel free to ping me if you have any questions, or just post here

Or Both! lol

[craggy pier]

@winged turtle when do i get paid

[languid yoke]

Maybe one more question, how long does a level take approximately?

[winged turtle]

hmmmmmm

Big Variable

[fickle mulch]

any mission any difficulty

[craggy pier]

30m-1.5h on average

[winged turtle]

if you are very experienced and know the level and are taking it easy the early missions take like 10 minutes and huge levels take 1hr+

if you are new, and going in blind, and are doing the Full Stealth Playthrough, eeee double that? triple it?

for your first rundown, your first successful clears will take about the same amount of time, 1-1.5 hours

[languid yoke]

do I have to do the whole rundown in one go or can I do the expeditions separately

[craggy pier]

u can do them however you like

[winged turtle]

inside of each rundown, certain levels are necessary to unlock the next tier, but you can hop from one rundown to another no problem

[lunar rain]

are there any tips to clear faster without waking up the room? i think someone called it speed stealth or something

[fading tangle]

walking as a group, timing charging melee and covering if enemies wake up. You basically become a Zamboni for sleepers

[violet jungle]

use knife

[lunar rain]

i like the hammer though, knife doesnt feel the same

[tardy ingot]

knife just has the quickest quick stealth for smalls

hammer works fine aswell, just a tad slower

[lunar rain]

what about the blobby guys? is it just a hammer to the back for them?

[violet jungle]

chargers?

the black spikey guys?

[lunar rain]

ya

[violet jungle]

hammers better for them

knife ain't gonna do much to them iirc

[lunar rain]

is it still aim for the head or is it somewhere else cause i tried head and it seems to be a coin flip

[tardy ingot]

hammer and spear 1 shot chargers from the back
bat 2 shots if 1 is a back hit
knife ._. uhh yeah you need 2 back hits, where 1 of them has to hit them while asleep

otherwise 3 back hits

chargers dont have a head crit hitbox

[lunar rain]

so just aim for their spine area?

[craggy pier]

Yes

[lunar rain]

Ok, ty

[tardy ingot]

anywhere from behind them is ok

but back is obviously the easiest

[winged turtle]

https://youtu.be/J4Ok37svfUk
in this review he calls it cooler stealth, so so do i!

[lunar rain]

This guy is amazing

[winged turtle]

first thing i saw of his, won't be the last

[scenic viper]

Knife is the fastest stealth but sucks against big guys. Spear is the slowest - outside of being easy to use vs scouts, it's largely not great. Bat is the worst of the set, barely having a use at all. Hammer is the standard - not as fast as knife, but can deal with just about anything.

A lot of speed stealth is learning how close you can get to waking a room without actually doing it, and then pushing that line as hard as possible. Multikills, intentionally waking enemies and then killing them before they wake the room, and standing up / moving quickly / bunny hopping while enemies click or throb to approach them and kill them before they fully wake up are examples of that.

As a group, splitting up as much as possible once you guys are comfortable doing multikills will allow you to clear multiple parts of a large room, or even multiple rooms, simultaneously, only having to meet up for large enemies or groups too dense to be multi'd solo

The only other advice I have is that the biotracker and thermal scopes are great at quickly identifying what's in a room and what's near you to speed up stealth

[lunar rain]

didn't they get rid of b hopping?

[scenic viper]

They certainly nerfed it

[lunar rain]

ah, i thought they just got rid of it, also will alt r1 be removed when alt r2 comes out or no?

[scenic viper]

Nah

[fickle mulch]

i wish we had bunnyhopping back

i thought it was fun jumping around hitting sleepers as opposed to stealthing for 2 hours

[neon gust]

If your stealth takes 2 hours you most likely have a skill issue not a bhop issue

[winged turtle]

their new mantra is no more content will be removed

once weapons are back, they are back, and returning versions will also come back in the Rundown they were introduced in

[fickle mulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/782449204035321886/986727552443899984/real_speach.gif

[mossy aurora]

Bat is the worst? You can fast kill smalls, light stagger them, and Perma stagger bigs as well

[wary linden]

Bat is probably the best melee but it's a lot harder to get the same results as hammer but can potentially get better result then hammer too... So people tend to just use hammer because hammer is easy to use compare to bat

Hammer is the lazy version of bat

The one downside of bat is vs charger scout

3 hits

[spark wolf]

and every other enemy in the game

who cares about your bat stagger when every single hit on a small with make it stagger with hammer

and for the bigs you don't even need to full charge with your hammer

you'll do more damage and can still do everything else the bat does

[mossy aurora]

Yeah my point was that I don't think bat is the worst melee, definitely not worse than knife/spear

I personally think hammer is the best but it's also easier to be good at with hammer than with bat

[craggy pier]

no sprint on spear is crippling outside of stealthing

[tardy ingot]

Hammer is definetly the best lol

but bat is also not the worst, thats the spear

knife is worse than hammer better than spear because it actually has a thing its best at but sucks in other stuff

Bat is fine, it just doesnt get dmg breaking points if you have multiple of them.

also as far as i know bhopping for stealthing is removed

[fierce nebula]

I use my fists like a real man

[vital hawk]

how do u do the D2 thing

do u gotta fight the 2 tanks or just hope for the best and run to extract

[gentle oracle]

well you can try either but ive survived more consistently just killing them personally

[past mesa]

you should probs kill the tanks

[vital hawk]

ty

[fierce nebula]

just ignore the tanks

[minor fractal]

Dunno about that. Charging so fast that you don't have to time anything on small enemies is actually so fucking boring.

[silver fable]

as a knife enjoyer, the challenge is more positional than charge-related

finding the right path to walk to be able to arc the blade hitbox through heads

while also influencing which enemies get woken, so you can shank through 5+ enemies as fast as the knife charges without any of them rousing in time to get a lick off

and I think you mostly know my thoughts on the hammer

i.e. the timing thing you mentioned with bat on smalls is how I feel about hammer on bigs

on smalls it can be a little interesting finding half-charges on heads and whatnot

but I think even a lot of that kinda just boils down to a little bit of kiting shenanigans to guarantee the charge while juggling alerted smalls

stamina is kinda the main wrinkle to that, come to think of it

[minor fractal]

I don't view bigs as interesting stealth to begin with.

90% of stealth is smalls, most of the interest for solo stealth is smalls.

Bigs in solo are just annoying (and bat can literally just spam 0 charge), and bigs in duo are just trading hits to juggle them.

There's really nothing much to see.

Doesn't help either that properly large clusters are very rare, and they're the main thing knife is particularly good at.

They're also what I tend to enjoy most in GTFO, and knife removes most of the fun by being a bit too versatile.

[scenic viper]

You can do this with every weapon except spear maybe, but spear is easier to use

[tardy ingot]

Knife vs bigs 💀

[scenic viper]

Spear is worse in good hands but being easier to use means it has a functioning niche, even if nobody here will value it because they all have thousands of hours

[craggy pier]

nobody values it because it's bad 💀

[scenic viper]

Anyways

[tardy ingot]

Spear has some cool things, but its only real use is stealth and meleeing giants without skill when a room is up

the moment multiple smalls are up you need to play multiple times better to go even at best

Verdict: useable but bad

[scenic viper]

Hammer and knife both have uses outside of that and can do the things bat does mostly

I'd rather bring hammer in 90% of scenarios which is why I do

Knife is neat too Ig

[tardy ingot]

hammer is just the best overall

Bat has niche uses, knife has a niche, spear can do some stuff the hammer does a bit easier but cant do a lot of stuff everyone else does at all

hammers biggest „issue“ stamina gain

[scenic viper]

But at the end of the day you can play the game with any of them, it's not like spear or bat or any of these make the game literally impossible, so in a funny way its about what makes the game easier
Most of the time the answer to that question is hammer

Or knife

Spear is definitely easier to kill scouts with especially if new, but people here are gonna be so used to hammer that if you consider that useful they'll yell at you

Hammers probably the strongest tho

[minor fractal]

Sprinting is kind of a big deal for scouts.

Lets you control their feeler state.

[scenic viper]

It's less of a big deal with spear because you don't have the arcing swing

[craggy pier]

anyone got a graphic of how far out on the tentacles you can touch while still having enough time to sprint and hammer the scout

[scenic viper]

And can kill them from further

So unexpected head position changes don't fuck you over with spear as much as they do with hammer

[minor fractal]

The arc is not very hard to control, and if I'm not mistaken there are conditions in which it works as hit-scan, which makes it very reliable.

Head position changes are never unexpected if you actually know what you're doing, though.

That's the thing.

[scenic viper]

Literally all this means is at a certain level of skill, X is easier to use, which again ties back into my point

[tardy ingot]

Yep
Being able to quickly kill a scout is also way more valuable. You can kill scouts even through mid way fully extended feelers

Spear needs to walk up, so its either close range feelers or none at all

Spear is obviously easier early on

but that is quite often a crutch

[craggy pier]

spear is a crutch for bad players

[scenic viper]

"Melee is a crutch for bad players"

"Makss the game too easy"

[craggy pier]

melee is a crutch for ppl who can't aim

[scenic viper]

So true

[minor fractal]

That's what we often refer to as "skill expression."

[scenic viper]

[minor fractal]

Which spear doesn't have.

[scenic viper]

I guess, but my point still stands that you're generally picking one of these options to make the game easier for you, which is primarily people's argument against spear.

[minor fractal]

No, that's absolutely a misunderstanding of the subject.

[scenic viper]

Really all of them make it easier, and depending on skill often moreso than spear

If you say so

Maybe you don't say that rayalot

[minor fractal]

The issue isn't to do with what makes the game easier or harder, it's how that difficulty correlates with skill.

[tardy ingot]

i mean if you wanted to make t he game the hardest then youd play pacifist without using guns tools or melee

[minor fractal]

^

Literally nobody believes this.

[scenic viper]

[minor fractal]

People might not express it accurately.

But the experienced difficulty of the game isn't really something people are trying to maximize.

[tardy ingot]

I mean im effectively trying to minimize it by strategizing

[scenic viper]

Most of the people here probably aren't, no

But they don't go around complaining that easy to use weapons should be avoided because they don't have good skill expression, they just go "lmao busted option use that", so it seems to me less an issue of "skill expression" and more one of a skill ceiling that's lower than that of other weapons

Which they value because the higher skill floor is meaningless to them

[minor fractal]

?

Literally what weapon.

People are literally advocating to not use spear.

[scenic viper]

Carbine, veruta

[minor fractal]

Because it's mostly strong in ways that assume you're not very good at the game.

[tardy ingot]

hmm o.O

[scenic viper]

I feel you've misunderstood my last post

Anyways, I have to go to work

👋

[minor fractal]

Carbine I'll give 50/50 on, but Veruta is pretty distinctly a hard weapon to use.

[tardy ingot]

yep

[minor fractal]

The main issue being that, once you've gotten over the skill curve, it's maybe a bit excessive.

The R6 version maybe only needed a bit extra to be quite strong, while R7 gives it quite a significant power boost, and also over-nerfs its main competitor.

[warm heron]

I have a question regarding crash reporting. Does the game auto collect info it needs or should i manually submit info

[tardy ingot]

my HAR

[craggy pier]

Mg is the new har

[fierce nebula]

sniper is the new hammer

[spark wolf]

for host

if client jumps within latency it means they never touched the ground

and u only alert on the landing

[past mesa]

Oh sick just like silent shooting

[spark wolf]

yeh if u used a macro for the carry item jumps

doing the same thing as client in stealth

nothing wakes

i think with the latency added to it it's pretty doable without 3rd party software too

host landing always alert unless you land into something like a wall

so that you're not sprinting anymore at the time of the landing

[past mesa]

Ah cool actually sick tech Wesley

Thanks for sharing

[past mesa]

For the cool jump macro it depends on the soft wear and mouse you are using right

Cause mine doesn’t do long hops

[spark wolf]

for long you either need to have it actually do proper timing where it holds it which is very hard and if it goes wrong once will then be offset for the entire thing

or spam so fast that game thinks you're holding it

[past mesa]

Ah so my frames could limit my input

Unfo

[spark wolf]

you can still insta ping on terminal too

[past mesa]

Oh sick with logs stuff right?

[spark wolf]

the way it used to work was just cls while its running

they fixed it by not allowing you to type in the terminal during ping

but it only "locks" the terminal the frame after you started the ping

so if you type cls on the same frame

it works

[past mesa]

Ahhh crazy man this game has so many fun interactions

[spark wolf]

haven't found a place where its worth to use lol

but kinda funny

set fps to 20 to make it more consistent

[past mesa]

Ahahah fucking crazy can’t wait for it to save time in a speed run and one of 4 players needs to run at 20 frames

[sonic ocean]

What was the bit to add to the ping command to make it repeat until said item is picked up?

[past mesa]

-t

[sonic ocean]

Ty

[lunar rain]

How many rundowns are there going to be total or is 8 the last one ?

[weary mesa]

Unknown

[winged turtle]

the narrative is concluding with R8 and with another project on the Dev's horizon, we suspect the end of the content release cycle for GTFO

[tardy ingot]

So @past star ?

[past star]

Can you sum it up there’s a lot to read

What’s the question

[tardy ingot]

oh i was just memeing on „youd need someone to run with 20fps“
So i said -> oh so bread? Since thats where you run at

[craggy pier]

why did they change the death sound again?

i miss the scream effect

[vague bridge]

where can i get gtfo ingame sounds

[royal hawk]

What's in R7C1 again?

[rigid sinew]

balls

lot of giant too

[sacred badge]

Spaghetti

Oh and a lot of frantically searching containers

[frozen tree]

is there a way to get myself out of a softlock state where ||I got grabbed at the end of R7C1 by a pouncer/stalker/whatever it's called right as the expedition completion scan finished|| other than just alt F4 the game?

[smoky raft]

how long does it take to charge each melee weapon? (I couldn't find it on the wiki)

[past mesa]

1.8 hammer

idk the rest

[mossy aurora]

charge time is also affected by your stamina so keep that in mind

[smoky raft]

What's your source? (I do believe you I'm just hoping to find more info)

[icy cave]

the rest does not matter

😃

[mossy aurora]

uhhh my source is having played the game

i dont know the exact value charge time increases per stamina though

[smoky raft]

Darn
Well even still, thanks

[tardy ingot]

is it per stamina?
I know that at yellow stamina (max) you suddenly charge rly slow

[mossy aurora]

im not sure if its continuous scaling or discrete

[stone dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7UeQaIIp8s&ab_channel=ProfessorScaler
props to prof scaler for the vid

all melee stuff is in there

[soft crater]

Iirc the moment you hit yellow stamina. You have like 20% stamina left. And then if you proceed to expend it. You hit zero making you hit a slow turtle crawl

[past mesa]

Source is the game code both player and melee blocks

[grave cloud]

Heyo, just got this game. Wondering how to play with my friends? Do I need to complete "training" before they can join? We've tried to jump on through Steam friends list but nothing happens. Thanks 🙂

[willow dragon]

You do not need to do training, although I recommend it if you want a basic understanding on how the game works. Otherwise, go into the R1A1 lobby to host. Make sure that the bots are set to "Players and Bots" or "Player's only". You can switch it by pressing on the button underneath their loadout. Your friends should be able to join you through steam. If not, go to the right side of the lobby screen and click the red button titled "Copy Lobby ID to clipboard". Paste it in your friends DMS or whatever. They just have to copy what you sent and on the left of the rundown screen they click the button that says "Join ___'s (yours) lobby"

[icy cave]

Make sure they on the same version.
And just in case: non "bought" version never work with legit versions. Even if on same versions

[lean shale]

Random question, how do you get the scorpion convex mark I helmet? is it rng?

[craggy pier]

I'm pretty sure it is

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Apparel

I've no idea if this list is updated or anything

[icy cave]

rng

[lean shale]

rng on just doing main sectors?

[dry pumice]

The one with giant metal filters and glass? Yes, its purely RNG. If you got all apparel unlocks and stoll don't have it - better luck next update.

I got it from like 3rd unlock.

[lean shale]

yeah thats the one, ok cheers!

[somber torrent]

so how do i unlock R2

[dry pumice]

Can't.

[stuck orchid]

The devs haven’t (re)released it yet

[dry pumice]

Not re-released yet.

You can mod the original, but you can't play it on this server.

.t modding

[uneven gulch]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[somber torrent]

oh

[icy cave]

R2 re-release is planned for december

[somber torrent]

r1 is like the basic structure for the lvls, meanwhile r7 is like 10 times harder right?

[icy cave]

If you new and not getting carried. R7 will take you 50-100 hours

[somber torrent]

awesome

[icy cave]

R1 just under 10

[somber torrent]

i barely know how to kill scouts

so im on my own now

[stuck orchid]

There’s not really a set structure in terms of rising difficulty with each rundown

[neon gust]

Just take your time to enjoy the game while learning

dont focus on finishing stuff

rundowns are here to stay

and to get more value and enjoyment out of your time ytou should just take your time

[stuck orchid]

R5 is considered to be the hardest one, R6, which was full release, dropped in difficulty

[icy cave]

Again this is for new players you d*ck

[somber torrent]

alright, i'll enjoy the game thanks, but the other day i saw somebody with a unlockable automatic pistol

[stuck orchid]

They were probably using mods to unlock previous weapons

[icy cave]

Will re-release with the rundown it originally came with

[neon gust]

if you wanna play with people i will highly advice you to use the discord lfg to avoid matchmaking cheater

[icy cave]

I think he means the machine pistol

[somber torrent]

idk i just thought it was neat to have unlockable weapons

[icy cave]

And if you saw someone with it, he was modding/hacking

[neon gust]

yeah sadly we dont have one of those

[icy cave]

Nah all weapons(almost) are viable

[somber torrent]

just unlockable cosmetics

i would love to have a badge system at the end of the match, like who killed the most and who searched the most you know

[neon gust]

did the pistol he had, had blue sights and a drum mag?

[somber torrent]

drum mag

[neon gust]

best thing they can do its re-release a horrible looking pallete

[stuck orchid]

Defo modded in lol

[neon gust]

oh then yeah he was 100% cheating

lmao

[somber torrent]

holy

[stuck orchid]

Auto pistol isn’t available rn

[dry pumice]

Yeah, no drum mag pistols in this game

[fickle mulch]

when was the auto pistol introduced

[icy cave]

If one day you look for info on youtube and see a channel called Blackdragon make sure to downvote all vids.

[fickle mulch]

like r3/r4?

[neon gust]

r4

[stuck orchid]

R4

[dry pumice]

We had autopistol, but it was literally an UZI, no drums

[fickle mulch]

oh, so it'll come back in a year or so

[neon gust]

2 years

[icy cave]

4 years

[neon gust]

x 3

[fickle mulch]

oh yeah its 5 years my bad

forgot about vacations

[neon gust]

nah 10

5 of those years are vacation

[dry pumice]

More vacations lads wooook

[icy cave]

I mean I kinda like my 11 weeks of paid leave can't really blame them 😅

[somber torrent]

what's the deal with blackdragon

[icy cave]

Spreads disinformation and his takes are the worst

Just downvote everything and Block his channel. Thank me later

[somber torrent]

a-alright

[vital sierra]

[somber torrent]

i would use a meme about misinformation

but i don't even know if those are allowed lol

[vital sierra]

if you take a shot everytime you heard a misinformation in this game, you will get wasted

trust me, don't do it

[icy cave]

Captain alpha you can just ask on each of his vid what the current PD2 meta is

[fickle mulch]

taking out your hacking tool increases the speed of bioscans

[dry pumice]

our democracy

[fickle mulch]

putting cfoam on a door only lasts a few minutes

[vital sierra]

you forgot spamming crouch

[icy cave]

R7 is easier than R1

Og R1 had checkpoints

etc etc etc

[fickle mulch]

r8 will come out before 2025

[icy cave]

R8 will be better done than CS:GO R8

[somber torrent]

this game will be full released when yandere simulator is done

[dry pumice]

Lmao

I forgot that existed

[icy cave]

he is one of THOSE

[vital sierra]

it only take him 8 years to release the game

the full release contain 10 other rivals and he only finished one

[fickle mulch]

gtfo has been in development for 7 years

wow

[icy cave]

you are oddly .... well Informed

[somber torrent]

wow

[neon gust]

hes tired of gtfo

can barely play 20 min of it

[vital sierra]

too much shitpost on youtube, still enough info

[somber torrent]

i mean, with r2 he would probably re join

[icy cave]

😂

[vital sierra]

i'll buy darktide and ruin the game

[neon gust]

lets ruin it together

[fickle mulch]

i cannot wait for r2 alt to be r2 post nerf

[vital sierra]

i already wrote it down every step

[icy cave]

I take back what I say : you can Block and downvote captain alpha as well

[icy cave]

It will bruv. like that is not even a question

[neon gust]

probably

[vital sierra]

give me warden restriction

[neon gust]

but in all honesty, im just quite tired, of the game, nothing new will come up in another year

and ill already played the game for 2 to 3 years just like many people here

[vital sierra]

this is what everyone want it

[icy cave]

Play something else m8

[somber torrent]

uuuuh, wasn't darktide supposed to come out in the game pass?

[neon gust]

wachu think im doing

[tardy ingot]

This

[vital sierra]

he did, back 4 blood

[icy cave]

🤮

[icy cave]

Good

[tardy ingot]

im tired of the game aswell in a way. I dont just play runs randomly anymore
I play for speedruns, with new friends and to map stuff for speedruns

[vital sierra]

i'm not shitting it yet, gonna play all the content i payed

[neon gust]

my favorite game!!!!

[vital sierra]

act 6 baby

[tardy ingot]

play soulsborns

[icy cave]

👍

[neon gust]

i feel you

[latent obsidian]

play the binding of isaac 🙂

[icy cave]

nah thx

[neon gust]

friend stream it to me

i tought it was a wacky game

but it was child abuse

lmao

[vital sierra]

step down and let the new player take over

[tardy ingot]

but yeah i actualy love talking to people about games and stuff they would like

[icy cave]

I mean if you like it ....

[icy cave]

a couple million on the bank ?

[neon gust]

nah it was sarcasm, they made the game too easy

[tardy ingot]

i mean thats what im doing with some friends who are new

Its very enjoyable since im mostly watching

[icy cave]

That's the problem most shit is too ez

[latent obsidian]

mostly watching anime in another tab 😏

[vital sierra]

i don't wanna ruin the game for new people

they can just hop in and play

and now they can get more rundown then before

[latent obsidian]

tbh vets should stop helping new players

[tardy ingot]

I mean im in favour of old rundowns

[icy cave]

Rise of the weebs 😭

[latent obsidian]

make them experience it the good old fashioned way

[tardy ingot]

its good for the game overall

[vital sierra]

good and bad idea at the same time

but, Rundown 1 is there for people to start

[icy cave]

Yeah and get more whacky shit like we see on steam discussions

[craggy pier]

There's a lot of stuff I didnt know before I played with people who were vets

[vital sierra]

aye, it's enjoyable, don't ruin it

[latent obsidian]

stuff you'll never have the joy of figuring out yourself

[craggy pier]

Or I asked here

[latent obsidian]

that was stolen from you

[tardy ingot]

what i do when playing with friends
walk behind them and do wacky stuff (but not actually helping).
And if they have logic questions i answer (aka what ammo does x gun have or how do i use the terminal)

[latent obsidian]

your slow improvement journey has been taken and you don't even realise

[icy cave]

Did you see last post. Alt R1 is a harder version without checkpoints 🤦‍♂️

Just kill me

NOW

[craggy pier]

Going by that logic all coaching is bad

[latent obsidian]

Depends on why you play games I guess

[craggy pier]

You make it sound as if knowing you can do X and being able to do it proficiently are the same

[latent obsidian]

if you just want to be good or the best then having people help you is fine

[neon gust]

It didnt help that they allow you to have 15 cards at the beggining

[latent obsidian]

I'm being a bit facetious here mind

[tardy ingot]

i mean i wont fully explain them stuff so they actually get a feeling for the failing

[icy cave]

I'm not even gonna touch that game m8

[vital sierra]

steam forum/reddit at it finest

[icy cave]

Just going to wait slowly for a gem to suddenly appear

[vital sierra]

whine and riot until the devs give them what they want

[neon gust]

IT had to be the l4d fans

[tardy ingot]

The things im actively trying to teach are „walk more, we dont have to stay as 4 people all the time and „failing is fine so try stuff“

A friend actually thought of pulling and mining a room

too bad they didnt close the door on time LUL

[vital sierra]

l4d player don't know how to read the card

[latent obsidian]

tbf most GTFO players cannot read

[icy cave]

No WhY You COmpArE it??? iT iS it's OwN ThinG!!

[vital sierra]

objective: open the door
player: i wonder where we need to go

[craggy pier]

That's really puzzling tbh

I blame it on some modern games doing Hyper handholding but whatever

[neon gust]

Open the door to ZONE 534 WITH RED_KEY_CARD_355

WHAT

[latent obsidian]

Go to zone X to lower the fog
"Guys help we keep doing the alarm in the fog and dying"

[tardy ingot]

people dont:

• read
• look
• think

[icy cave]

F this game it does not tell me what to do !

[vital sierra]

looked at the door, "objective updated: Open the door", wander off to another fucking zone

[tardy ingot]

its insane how few people actually try to check out and think of what the guns and tools do

[latent obsidian]

In rundown 8 GTFO will have a quest log and a shining path on the floor to indicate where players should go next

[tardy ingot]

just „lets drop well figure it out“ with 4 foam launchers and never figure it out

[icy cave]

OUT NOW!

[vital sierra]

in God of war, they basically have 3 NPC telling the player what to do

that's a really hard puzzle, player said

npc telling all the answer to the player

[icy cave]

yeah cause people are to dumb to figure it out by themselves. And nowadays they have the attention span of a toddler on coke

[tardy ingot]

its insane how people do not figure out spawn rules

[icy cave]

If you are not spoonfed the answers within 30 sec. the game is trash and too hard

[icy cave]

O r think Spear is the best mêlee

[latent obsidian]

spawn rules aren't immediately obvious tbf

[dry pumice]

Having worthwhile tutorials that explain how the game is played is an objectively good thing. It can get obnoxious at times but it's better than accidentally figuring out mechanic 75% through the game.

[craggy pier]

They aren't obvious but take for example R7A1

There's a lot of people that need to be told where they're gonna come from sometimes

[vital sierra]

put in a puzzle and give the answer instantly after that isn't a good idea

[craggy pier]

And there's only 1 way in there

[icy cave]

Honestly in R6A1 you were kinda spoonfed the answers

[vital sierra]

but here we are, 2022

[icy cave]

Huge step up from R5A1 at least

[vital sierra]

warden in the background

"did you open that door"

"that big red/blue door with a lady speaking really loudly in the background"

[dry pumice]

I wasn't talking of puzzles though, thats a different creature.

[tardy ingot]

immediatly. Yea sure
It took us about 30-40 min to get an idea (2nd time we did the r4a1 first alarm) and 2 hours to understand

Meanwhile players in r1d1 or r7d1

[dry pumice]

If we decided to classify gtfo objectives as puzzled then sure.

[neon gust]

Nanoswarm 2024 confirm

[tardy ingot]

This is litteraly the point of the game tho

[neon gust]

Been work in progress since r6 probably even earlier

[dry pumice]

Depends on a game. Some games really like being explored and experimented on, tools to be mastered. Some just want to be played.

Turn strategy games for example. Whole combat itself is a puzzle to solved, it's more about figuring out how to combine the tools rather than figuring out how they actually work.
It's very annoying when you have to lose a unit just to find out how a specific skills works because the game was shit at explaining it.

[tardy ingot]

i mean thats the point of THIS game

actually figuring out stuff

[dry pumice]

Yeah, sure.
Still should explain that WASD moves and LMB shoots. Simple as.

[neon gust]

I dont think wasd was the problem in this game

but the terminal system

EVAL atleast attempts to explain that terminals are an important aspect of the game

wich is nice

all the shortcuts and shit can be left to the community

[dry pumice]

only 1 command

Still gets a chuckle out of me

why

[neon gust]

only 1, but better than nothing

atleast it would spark the interest of finding keys trough it

back in my day 👴 , people would actively avoid it and would rather just looking for the key for 20 min

because they didnt know what to do with it

[latent obsidian]

The terminals tell you everything you need to know about their use just by reading what they say and typing help

One of the things I really enjoyed when starting

[tardy ingot]

yeah but

1. people dont read
2. people dont watch
3. people dont think

[latent obsidian]

Yep

[craggy pier]

Casual gamers

Eval could use some additions

[tardy ingot]

i mean if you flesh it out too much then its an overload of info for those people

[vital sierra]

it could use more but it technically explain all the basic stuff

[tardy ingot]

like it tells you how rooms and zones work yet people still dont get it

oh the game told me about an alarm with enemys and where they come from? better watch the closed security door and not stand in the massive red circle

[vital sierra]

it literally tell player that, you can charge hammer

which is one of the crucial part

people don't know that they can charge their hammer

[craggy pier]

True but repetitions are what help people understand

[vital sierra]

well, you can do that in A1

and B1

[tardy ingot]

and B2

the game wants you to observe stuff and try

[vital sierra]

i missed the old day where the alarm didn't tell you how many scan you need to do

[neon gust]

ah yes

my fav

[tardy ingot]

like this is a smth people joke about in dark souls.
but if someone is that much of a casual that they cant think at all then its just not their game

[vital sierra]

class IX scan

nah fam, i want the "Alarm scan"

[dry pumice]

Dark souls is at least kind enough to tell you the buttons.

Doesn't mention I-frames though...

My friend beat the entire franchise not knowing about I frames and thinking that he had to actually physically dodge the attacks and get out of their way

Which, to be fair, worked out for him.

[vital sierra]

it also looked better

then magically dodge an attack even though it clearly hit you

[tardy ingot]

knowing how to move ah yes i dont know how to move, let me play this HARDCORE TACTICAL game

[latent obsidian]

Seeing people dodge enemy attacks just by walking out of the way is badass

[tardy ingot]

i mean if he rolled to dodge then he most likely wouldve still dodged via i-frames

[vital sierra]

i know but like

[dry pumice]

Sure did, but he was quite mad when I explained it to him

[vital sierra]

if they enemy like, slam down, and you moved out of the way before it slam down

it looked better than press button in time = dodge

"looked better" imo

[dry pumice]

It looks authentic is what you're saying

[vital sierra]

yes

[fringe trellis]

i was wondering if theres any way to enable lefty viewmodels

[rigid sinew]

no

[frozen kettle]

can anyone give me some advice on R7C2? ive got 2 generators turned on and i need to do a ventilation sequence in a section of the map i havent opened yet since i need the have 4 generators on to open it. Anyone have tips?

[fringe trellis]

im not even lefty i just used to play cs lol

[turbid horizon]

There should be another door in that main room where you can enter

[frozen kettle]

Im confused by what you mean by main room? The one with the generator cluster in it?

[turbid horizon]

Yes, in the north end of the room, there should be a door you can go through

to 151 iirc

[frozen kettle]

never mind. it was a text bug. Told me i needed to be in zone 154 but a guy in my squad got it to work in 152

[turbid horizon]

Ahhhh ig that happens sometimes

Ohh icic

I read that wrong mb

[frozen kettle]

thats ok lol just glad to get it done

[turbid horizon]

Gl with the rest of the level!

[late violet]

hey i just gotta ask. for the damage that you deal to the chest, face/back, and occiput... what is aproximately the damage multipliers?

[tiny tundra]

Generally speaking, 2x if you're completely behind them for back damage (see it as a flanking bonus since it's based on your positioning not where you physically hit), head damage varies a bit -- 2x for strikers and 3x for shooters/scouts usually

[past mesa]

Remember weapons have different hs bonus as well

[tiny tundra]

& they do stack so you'd be doing 6x damage by hitting a scout's head from behind

[tardy ingot]

strikers have 3x head dmg
shooters have 5x

lowest with a multiplier are big strikers (1,5x) and highest is the shooter with 5x

[tiny tundra]

Ah my bad, thank you for the correction

[past mesa]

And mommy has that juicy 5 times

[tardy ingot]

i mean thats not a head
but yep, mom and pmom have 5x

[late violet]

oh? so if i were to say... knife a scout in the occiput (back of the head) id be dealing 4-5x dmg + whatever the bonus is for knife precision hits?

[past mesa]

Yeah

[tiny tundra]

That's how you can kill scouts with knives, yep

[tardy ingot]

knife does 5,5 dmg
youd get 6x for the back of the head and 1,5x for precision multi on top of that

if scouts worked as sleeping enemys knife could front 1 shot them btw

[late violet]

ngl ive yet to manage to kill a scout with a knife... ive only ever managed to 1 shot them with the drill spear

[tiny tundra]

Just takes practice. Waiting for them to extend their tentacles makes it a lot safer/easier

[tardy ingot]

rather, sprint at them from behind to make them stand still

if already extended you might not make it if its max range

[late violet]

yeahhh... i was thinking i had to like... make it walk close and sneak behind it before it tries to extend the tendrils.

[tiny tundra]

Once you get used to them you realize how much leeway you have with them

But it's def tricky at first

[late violet]

youd think after the years ive played id be used to them. XD

btw i noticed that we can select rundown 1 and 7 now... if we clear R1 do we get access to R2 and so forth as we clear them?

[tiny tundra]

No, just 1 and 7 so far

2 in December though, apparently

[late violet]

ahh so they are slowly being re-released then. gotcha

it took me a solid... 3 hours to realize why i was getting major deja vu with the current R1. . . heh

so... knife deals 5.5 dmg... what does the other 3 melee weapons deal?

[tiny tundra]

Bat does 12, Spear does 16(?), Hammer does 20

[tardy ingot]

12, 17.5 and 20

spear (17.5) also has a 1.3 precision multi on crit spots

[naive crown]

guys, how to join the lobby?

[tiny tundra]

#how-to-matchmake

[naive crown]

i dont have any button with join with ID

[late violet]

so... highest damage would be the spear... then the hammer, bat(?) then knife as the lowest?

[tiny tundra]

Room has a different ID then, it can change mid-waiting for a match

Hammer is highest raw damage, spear can out damage in some circumstances though

[tardy ingot]

"technically"
but the spear is always worse than hammer unless you go for a %melee booster build below 100%

the spear doesnt actually beat any breakpoints even with an occiput shot

so it will always take the same amount of hits as hammer (or more since less base dmg)

spear sadly is just kinda shit

[late violet]

ye i meant like. taking into account precision multipliers and such

honestly... i prefer the spear over the hammer heh...

[tardy ingot]

i mean its useable

[tiny tundra]

I have my own bone to pick with spear besides it just being worse in a lot of regards but to be 100% honest knife is the only melee not usable in every situation so you'll be fine if you like spear

[tardy ingot]

knife is very very good in situations at least tho

spear is never "the best"

knife is king of smalls

[tiny tundra]

Yea

[tardy ingot]

bat has smash locks, doors with light taps, light tap stagger spam

[late violet]

hehh.... tbh that kinda makes me laugh a bit. sniper rifle is what? guaranteed 1 shot for bigs? or at least high chance?

[tiny tundra]

Headshot kills giants always

[tardy ingot]

sniper rifle 1 shots all bigs on headshot

hammer has

1. 1 shot strikers anywhere
2. 1 front, 1 back c scouts
3. massive full charge stagger
4. highest base dmg
5. (actually shares this with bat) 1 tap shooters into occi with a light tap

spear has range

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