#gtfo-related-questions

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tardy ingot
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the tentacles take a moment

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most experienced players just sprint at them

wanton blade
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^

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It's what I do.

tiny tundra
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If the room has some dudes i just wait for them to extend, start charging when they do, and then walk through the tentacles and bop them

tardy ingot
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the tentacles dont change how the scout works

so if it would wake up by sound before it still would and vice versa

tiny tundra
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Otherwise yeah just charge and sprint

nimble arrow
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I will try it, but i prefer using sniper rifle

tardy ingot
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it is a way to do it

tiny tundra
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its good to get comfy with meleeing them, but we were all there before dw distisCozy

tardy ingot
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but there will be moments where you legit cant

nimble arrow
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If it is more than one -> i am in danger

tardy ingot
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8 scout rooms :^ )

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well we recently only had 6 - scout rooms 😦

tiny tundra
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😔

wanton blade
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You can still kind of do it

swift patrol
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So say I touch a tentacle, but then immediately shoot it in the head with a sniper. Does it still trigger?

wanton blade
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I remember the uh- Charger scout room in R6

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Just a lot of C-foaming

tardy ingot
tiny tundra
nimble arrow
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But i only played R1 A1-C1 and there are only one scout at the time

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So i didn't have problems with it right now

wanton blade
tardy ingot
tiny tundra
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lol

tardy ingot
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i mean only A1 can have a double scout in a room iirc

nimble arrow
swift patrol
wanton blade
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I have seen it

merry crystal
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another thing you can try to do is sneak around the room first and take out the lesser baddies with melee and then go for the scout

swift patrol
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Ok another question, I apologize in advance, I seem to one shot big guys in the head with a sniper when they sleep. However, when they're active it appears I need 2 shots. Is there a different place I can shoot them to guarantee a one shot?

merry crystal
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maybe prep an exit door with a mine and prepare to foam it if it goes bad

tiny tundra
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sniper always kills giants with a headshot

wanton blade
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You have have hit the upper body

tardy ingot
wanton blade
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sometimes I takes off the head and part of the arm

merry crystal
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make sure you are using the actual SNIPER and not the precision rifle on big boys

tardy ingot
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precision rifle vs big boys musicmommyOMEGALUL

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its so bad

merry crystal
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haha it really is

swift patrol
merry crystal
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it actually makes them worse

tardy ingot
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litteraly cant kill a giant in 1 mag

merry crystal
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i just dump a combat shotty into them

nimble arrow
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I hate big projectile guys, because they are moving constantly and it's hard to hit their heads

tardy ingot
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Man i love this game for giving us so many possible game play speeds

its funny tho when people tell me you cant go run and gun through levels

merry crystal
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Also, @swift patrol if you aren't using the mine explosive on doors that have been hit with cfoam, you should start doing that

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easiest wave clears right there

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or at least put a big dent in a wave

wanton blade
tiny tundra
wanton blade
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I did it earlier in with uh, R1C2

tardy ingot
tardy ingot
wanton blade
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Why shoot the Chicken when you just melee it death :)

wanton blade
tardy ingot
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im currently trying to calculate which path is the quickest to get 10PDs

merry crystal
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I've had a hard time playing with randoms wanting to go super fast....Cause they go super fast and they aren't good hahaha

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its so annoying

wanton blade
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That first lvl 3 alarm door is probably the most efficient start, it's what I've done.

tardy ingot
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efficient, maybe
Quickest? Who knows

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since its off the path and includes an alarm (takes time)

wanton blade
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True.

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But is it faster than having to do 2 lvl 3's and a 4 in the same room?

tardy ingot
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its either
90 -> 94 + 96 -> 98/99
90 -> 94 -> 98 + 99
94 + 96 -> 98 + 99

Just gotta test it out ingame

nimble arrow
wanton blade
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Sleepers don't register bots in stealth. That's why you'll see them like- walk into a bunch of stuff and it doesn't trigger.

tardy ingot
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hes talking about mid combat

tiny tundra
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i think they mean targetting in combat yea

nimble arrow
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Ye

wanton blade
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Ah.

tiny tundra
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which im actually not sure

wanton blade
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I mean, I wouldn't doubt it to be honest.

tardy ingot
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You can actually side step the attacks btw

nimble arrow
wanton blade
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It eventually becomes muscle memory if you practice it.

merry crystal
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TECHINCALLY you can press shift and dodge in either direction, but lets be honest, that is wack

tardy ingot
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you can just walk to the side ._.

wanton blade
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The "dodge" is more of a stumble.

merry crystal
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yes ahahaha

nimble arrow
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But i completed c1 with guys from here, so i am happy

merry crystal
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or use cover effectively

swift patrol
tardy ingot
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i honestly think that the quickest way for C2 depends on if 90 or doing a second alarm in the end is quicker

(Collecting included)

merry crystal
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Me and the homies beat RD1 fully tonight

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Still pretty new at it

tardy ingot
wanton blade
merry crystal
tardy ingot
swift patrol
tardy ingot
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so we dont have to search

swift patrol
wanton blade
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I just know the longest part of 90 for me was the alarm. And that there's always been a 1 use of each supply item, and 3 PD's.
Pretty much become apart of my normal runs at this point.

swift patrol
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Also helps in the long run

merry crystal
tardy ingot
merry crystal
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so you just used one mine and some c foam to drop a huge amount of guys and save amo

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the ol mine + c foam combo is amazing for stretching your ammo supply

tardy ingot
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1 enemy does as much dmg to a door as 20

swift patrol
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Ah I see, so far the waves havn't felt big enough for that yet. Not to mention the sleepers dont really stack up on smaller doors so the mine doesn't get all of them

wanton blade
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It still gets most of them.

tardy ingot
merry crystal
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yeah the big trick is knowing which door to trap if there are multiple ways they can get to you

tardy ingot
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that way it kills more

merry crystal
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sometimes you just take a chance

tardy ingot
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Tho to be fair

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in rundown 1 mines and cfoam arent as strong

wanton blade
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Yeaaaah.

tardy ingot
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since B2, C1 and D1 rly dont have doors

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and A1/B1 are… easy already

C2 mines can help tho

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otherwise 2 sniper sentrs and bio

wanton blade
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Using mines on A1 is just like- trolling the enemy at that point

merry crystal
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yeah two snipers and bio scanner is amazing. Its funny how so many people don't know that scanning enemies with the bio tracker makes the turrets operate faster

tardy ingot
merry crystal
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and sniper turret is the most efficient use of turret ammo

wanton blade
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I know it is. I did a run earlier that was like- 10:31 by accident

tardy ingot
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scratch that

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dont use shotgun sentry ever

merry crystal
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yeah I don't like it

tardy ingot
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cuz have you seen the A1 4 man record?

wanton blade
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Nah, 4 man

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I haven't.

tardy ingot
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its 2:34

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absolutely insane

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some people take longer to clear the first alarm than that still

wanton blade
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I've barely done solo stuff until recently, and I know I could probably go pretty fast on some of the earlier R1 levels with the right people.

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Just don't have that motivation

swift patrol
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yeah I noticed the shotgun sentry was doing his best to keep up, I personally prefer the burst one

merry crystal
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recently i've been using the shelling and combat auto shotgun and I have to say, amazing combo

wanton blade
tardy ingot
merry crystal
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i like burst for the stumble effect on the enemies

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but sniper is the best

swift patrol
tardy ingot
tardy ingot
wanton blade
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I have a lot of fun just running through levels, so I might at some point.

tardy ingot
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litteraly a piece of Crap

wanton blade
merry crystal
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Oh i remember hahaha

tardy ingot
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if i may do some self advertising

Check out the most recent R1B1 run we did (its in gtfo media like 1-2 days ago)

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figuring out stuff like B1 is the reason i love running this game quickly

tardy ingot
wanton blade
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It was.

tardy ingot
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Auto sentry in r6
pew pew pew pew

wanton blade
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I know R1A1 and B2 like the back of the hand, same with C2.

tardy ingot
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i know every single key spawn location 💀

wanton blade
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Yeah, pretty much the same with the HSU's.

cerulean trench
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Like, door key spawn location? I thought they were randomized

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very new btw. got the game today

tardy ingot
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afaik theres 10 hsu locations but only the C ones spawn in as objective hsus

tardy ingot
wanton blade
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Pretty sure it was a reference to the mission objective spawns.

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Not keycards.

cerulean trench
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Ohh, my bad lol

tardy ingot
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we just reset a couple dozen times

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oh no. We legit know all possible locations and have mapped them

wanton blade
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I got lucky with my first and only solo run so far with R7A1

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had a lot more trip mines and c-foam grenades than I thought

swift patrol
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Wait so what exactly is the difference between r1 and r7? Just difficulty?

tardy ingot
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R7A1 painPeko
I gotta go back to beat my old time

cerulean trench
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Isnt there also more unique spawns too?

tardy ingot
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R7 is the newest content

wanton blade
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on top of mechanics IE respawn rooms

tardy ingot
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alt r1 is a remake of the oldest content

wanton blade
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infection fog

cerulean trench
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infection what now- no thank you

wanton blade
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You'll first see it in R7B3

nimble arrow
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I have questions, where can i see all apparels in GTFO?

wanton blade
nimble arrow
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And is all of them available, or some of them is not

cerulean trench
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bruh im in r1b3 I got awhile lol

tardy ingot
wanton blade
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Rn I think you can unlock 16 of them until Alt:R2 comes around

tardy ingot
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Also some isnt available (event stuff)

wanton blade
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Twin-Blade my beloved (I don't have it)

nimble arrow
cerulean trench
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Sorry for the bombardment of questions. Is r1-r6 like a monthly cycle?

tardy ingot
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I go full lemon with lemon head

wanton blade
tardy ingot
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we are gonna get all R1-R8 over the next year and it will stay

cerulean trench
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Issue with the content or is it just for seasonal stuffs

tardy ingot
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it was because they wanted to give us a sense of urgency (and other reasons)

wanton blade
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IT was seasonal

cerulean trench
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Ahh okay cool cool

nimble arrow
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Bruh

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You can't send media here?

wanton blade
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What were you going to send

nimble arrow
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Screenshot

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Or i will just explain it in the words

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Like

tardy ingot
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Send it in gtfo media

nimble arrow
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In lfg-begginers is written, what any carrying is not allowed, what it is even means

wanton blade
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Saying it's for people to learn the game

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Not have people speedrun a level for you

tardy ingot
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Yeah. Also not have someone micro manage or overexplain

swift patrol
nimble arrow
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But you can consider that any skilled player helping newbies is can be considered carrying

tardy ingot
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We recently invited a pub to speedrun with us musicmommyOMEGALUL it was very stupid and fun

wanton blade
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It's not disallowing someone to sherpa or have an experienced player be in the group, so long as they keep the whole - "DO THIS" to a minimum

tardy ingot
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good lfg beginner helpers know how to do that

swift patrol
cerulean trench
wanton blade
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I like helping new players :)

nimble arrow
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🙂

tardy ingot
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for when i did it back in r6

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i loved being the fall back

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let them do their thing

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but make it so i can clean up mistakes

swift patrol
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You learn eventually yea

wanton blade
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I had to help one of my friends get back into the game via duos

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Quite the entertaining time letting him take point on virtually everything

cerulean trench
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I honestly do enjoy failing sometimes though to learn a better way to advance, I gotta say

tardy ingot
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im gonna have 2 newbies and 1 guy who only played r5A levels and c3 play with me soon

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thats gonna be fun

cerulean trench
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rather than rambo the entire first floor with a knife. which is very fun

wanton blade
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Rambo with the bat, more of a chad choice

swift patrol
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In 2019 when we were on one of the first runs, C1 was this long hallway with a bridge that you could snipe off of. I remember we got this insane team that headshot every single one of them with a full DMR setup. We completed C1 in less than 15m, was an awesome achievement. I wonder if there will be more hallway type levels

tardy ingot
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Rambo with the spear kappa

cerulean trench
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gigachad

tardy ingot
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unless you mean smth other than r1c1

nimble arrow
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And yeah, today i writed at lfg-begginers what i need team for R1C1, and someone writed that this channel is only for the begginers, but i am 5 hrs in the game, did i do something incorrect?

swift patrol
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dont think it was r1

wanton blade
swift patrol
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most likely a different run, I still got the recording

wanton blade
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Maybe phrased the LFG wrong? Not sure.

craggy pier
swift patrol
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Are there more hallway like levels in the future? I need those back

tardy ingot
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what do you mean with „hallway“

craggy pier
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I've joined plenty of groups where there was a 100h something telling simply wrong stuff

tardy ingot
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holding out hordes?

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Cuz yeah theres multiple of those

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tho i wish there were more

nimble arrow
craggy pier
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Of course there was no malicious intent on their side, but the only option is to start an argument over it

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And I dont think people care enough for that

tardy ingot
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especially when they are very stoic

swift patrol
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Yeah long sniper hallway instead of uncomfortable small corridors and area's. I understand the appeal of close and claustrophobic, however, I miss the 4 man sniper tower

craggy pier
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So nowadays I just tend to shut up unless someone ASKS for something precise

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And play how I know/want to play

tardy ingot
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„No bio tracker is garbage, you have eyes! Use them!“

sentrys do more dmg from behind!

dont use cfoam on the door, use it on the floor in front of it

craggy pier
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Is that sherping? I dont really care

swift patrol
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Cfoam works on scouts, right? Sorry I have ptsd every time I think about scouts, I keep fucking it up. I remember Cfoam can just freeze them in place, but I don't know if a simple grenade does it, or if you need the whole launcher

craggy pier
wanton blade
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It does work on scouts

sage belfry
cerulean trench
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By the way, if Im going for a solo mission, whats yours guys' preferred/optimal equipment Id usually want to bring?

craggy pier
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A foam nade is more than a full charge of cfoam launcher I reckon

wanton blade
swift patrol
tardy ingot
sage belfry
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just throw it at em

tardy ingot
cerulean trench
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Still on r1 if that helps

tardy ingot
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r1a1? B1?, b2?

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honestly recommend B1 over A1

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A1 is harder to solo

sage belfry
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right

swift patrol
nimble arrow
craggy pier
cerulean trench
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Just got to b3 but havent tried the mission yet. Waiting for my buddies to get back on

craggy pier
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Be careful cause I remember the nade going trough them sometimes on R4

swift patrol
tardy ingot
cerulean trench
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wait

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hold on

tardy ingot
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Oh wait. Do you mean pure solo or solo with bots?

sage belfry
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i think he's talking about r7

cerulean trench
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r1b1

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Pure solo

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sorry brain goofed

wanton blade
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I was doing r1b1 and then died because I like

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stopped paying attention to a scout

swift patrol
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Will there be a rocket launcher in the future? And if not, why not? Seems like a very sufficient weapon

cerulean trench
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AH NO IM SORRY

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r1c1

sage belfry
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.........

tardy ingot
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solo r1c1 is kinda rough for a beginner

sage belfry
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breathe in..... breathe out......

tardy ingot
cerulean trench
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Do you think the bots would be worth it then?

wanton blade
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Maybe.

tardy ingot
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bots make most levels easy yes

wanton blade
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They'll definitely help

sage belfry
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that'll make it worse, at some cases

tardy ingot
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that dont need superb coordination

swift patrol
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There are bots?

tardy ingot
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Yep

cerulean trench
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yuh

nimble arrow
swift patrol
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Oh damn, how does that work? Can you command them?

tardy ingot
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yes

swift patrol
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o

wanton blade
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It's definitely better to do things with players, mind you.

tardy ingot
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they auto use (and cheat) with bio tracker. Other tools you gotta command them via the communication menu (q)

nimble arrow
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But thease dummies picking something else but not tool refills

tardy ingot
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you can force them to pick up stuff by taking dmg so they use up meds

sage belfry
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and they wont respond the command properly on alarm.

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tried that once.

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twice, actually.

nimble arrow
swift patrol
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Sounds like a work in progress, yea. But GTFO is a very complex game, creating bots is a nightmare to code

tardy ingot
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bots arent they way you are supposed to play
But they are fine-ish (some stupid quirks are there)

sage belfry
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right.

wanton blade
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I love when Bot Bishop

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Runs away from the bioscan

tardy ingot
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you can legit let bot clear some levels alone as long as you aggro rooms, open boxes and start alarms

wanton blade
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and stares at me :)

sage belfry
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cough DX... cough

tardy ingot
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The bots are moreso made to support newer players who venture in solo (not carry them) and help out missing pieces in duo/trio groups

craggy pier
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It's just that to balance some stuff out they've really stupidly strong advantages (can't wake shit up, can't get infected, give 0 shits about darkness or fog)

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I think I even recall them taking no damage at all from spitters

swift patrol
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Makes sense yea

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cant really create a bot that can replicate not being able to see

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unless you're some god ai coder

tardy ingot
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Its insane how r7 litteraly avoids spitters like a pest

wanton blade
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I've only seen them (off recent memory) in uh

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C2 Overload

tardy ingot
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Yep

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i hate spitters

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but i miss em

wanton blade
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WEEEEEEEEEEEE

swift patrol
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wait

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do you mean

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oh

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im not allowed to say that word

wanton blade
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The forbidden gusher

swift patrol
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Do you mean the This can't be posted because it contains content blocked by this community. This may also be viewed by the community owners.

tardy ingot
swift patrol
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ahhh yes it is!

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I remember first seeing those guys

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scared the hell out of me

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Honestly, I'm glad theyre not back as often

tardy ingot
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but then again r7 underdid them

nimble arrow
swift patrol
nimble arrow
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And can bots refill deployed turrets?

wanton blade
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They can.

nimble arrow
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That's nice to know

tardy ingot
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Deployed?

nimble arrow
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Because i didn't know that personally, and was always picking up turrets to refill

tardy ingot
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I think they cant?

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Didnt people talk about that recently

wanton blade
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I have no idea.

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This is my first time in a hot minute actually looking at the chats, outside the LFG's.

nimble arrow
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And sometimes i hate bots then they do not use melee and starting shooting, while its totally possible to run a little and use melee

craggy pier
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Why bother, not like they can wake anything up anyway

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I've had bots shoot shit I barely woke up near a scout, hel revo'd it (not the scout) and everything went back to sleep

nimble arrow
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Really?

craggy pier
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AFAIK bots only exist for enemies if YOU wake something up

wanton blade
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^ That's what I've observed.

tardy ingot
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yep

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also dw about ammo waste

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theres rarely actually a level where it matters

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since bots are also (mostly) perfectly accurate

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unless its a shooter

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then they miss

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and miss

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and miss

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and miss

wanton blade
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They shoot like 2 bullets that insta kill

nimble arrow
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I know that bots cant awake anything, but if it like pack of 3, and after player melee they shoot other 2 will everything in the room wake up?

icy cave
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The most important thing about bots is accept you will not finish the game with them. Saves a lot of frustration.

wanton blade
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That I unfortunately, do not know of the top of my head.

icy cave
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room stays asleep

craggy pier
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If they kill the other 2, no

nimble arrow
wanton blade
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Unless you're a bot!

craggy pier
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Bots have silencers

icy cave
craggy pier
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Loud Silencers

nimble arrow
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Okay.

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And i am really missing GTFO sleepers waking up from your voice

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I read what developers not doing ot because it easy to bypass

swift patrol
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Can't wake them up if you are one of them

wanton blade
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I am a sleeper.

swift patrol
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facts, same

nimble arrow
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I hope, when modding will be supported someone will do it

icy cave
swift patrol
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Sounds good on paper, but tedious in practicality

icy cave
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You need to communicate to have a chance (on high levels)

nimble arrow
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Yes, its hard, but it can be even more harder

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I would like that

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So game will fuckin destroy you

icy cave
nimble arrow
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Agreed, so i am waiting then hard part (developing) will end, and harder part will appear (mods)

icy cave
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You've seen start of R1. R1 is a joke in GTFO terms.

nimble arrow
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I played r7 a little

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Till c1 i think

icy cave
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R7 is mid difficulty. It gets pretty good C2 onwards.

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R4 and R5 (and hopefully R8) are what you are looking for

nimble arrow
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It was long ago

wanton blade
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I am an R5 shill

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I love it

swift patrol
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I remember when D1 was so hard we needed to actually preserve ammo, so far I'm very happy with the difficulty in r7, c1 currently. Respect to the devs

icy cave
wanton blade
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I eagerly await its return

swift patrol
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Wait can you still play the other rundowns?

nimble arrow
icy cave
nimble arrow
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Another question

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Some players saying that sniper turrets are good, but i think that they are trash

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Because of low ammo capacity

swift patrol
nimble arrow
craggy pier
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They're efficient since they can one shot some stuff

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Just dont place them in such a way that they risk shooting the same target

nimble arrow
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My playing loadout was 4 burst turrets

craggy pier
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And consider their wind up time before shooting so dont place them facing a small space

nimble arrow
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For r1 its working pretty good

craggy pier
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bio-scan buffs their RoF

nimble arrow
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Rof?

craggy pier
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Rate of Fire

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I mean It's actually that they buff a mix of shit but the gist of it is that they pewpew faster

nimble arrow
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Or your perk

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Buffs it

craggy pier
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what I'm talking about

nimble arrow
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But isn't four turrets better than 3 turrets and bio tracker?

craggy pier
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You're kinda assuming you use a bio only for buffing sentries

nimble arrow
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Or for ||invisible sleepers part||

wanton blade
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I don't use bio often myself but it's nice for keeping track of scouts.

craggy pier
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Before they introduced the bio symbiosys I'd said that you can skip bringing one IF you know that the map doesn't necessarily require it

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IF I don't know what I'm going to face I'd bring one

wanton blade
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Fair, yeah.

craggy pier
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Now that there's symbiosis, to be fair, I'd probably bring it to any map

wanton blade
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I'm still 50-50 myself on bringing it. Just kind of depends on the level for me.

craggy pier
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I remember trying to explain to a newbie that he could track moving targets with it

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He just kept saying "Ok" and never actually tracked anything

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It was fun

tardy ingot
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Even without symbiosis it often was superior since knowledge > minimal extra fire power and base tool

tardy ingot
nimble arrow
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I will do my question a little bit more precise

tardy ingot
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a usual setup for a sentry heavy level (r1c1) is:
Bio tracker
2-3 sniper sentries
0-1 burst sentries

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space the sniper sentries so they dont shoot at the same thing (one more forward, one close) and let burst sentry dish out cover fire

(Dont use all 3 from the start if you dont need them btw)

nimble arrow
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If you going to, like r1c1, meaning a lot of waves, what is better, four turrets or 3 turrets and bio?

wanton blade
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3 and 1 bio

nimble arrow
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Like, i don't tested bio a lot, so i didn't know how big is his buff

tardy ingot
tardy ingot
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sniper with bio ping uses 0.7 bullets per shot instead of 1

it also 1 shots any non big. And 2 shots bigs
(Burst needs far more)

it fires a lot quicker with bio vs not

Burst isnt influenced by bio but the pings still help in your teammates awareness and shooting

nimble arrow
#

Okay, i will give it a shot

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And is giving a bot bio a good idea, because someone said that they "cheating" with bio

vital sierra
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yes

tardy ingot
#

the stealthing help is worse

vital sierra
#

they are cheating with bio

tardy ingot
#

but their pinging is cheating

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360 pings with more range than a play

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player*

nimble arrow
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But what about ping delay?

tardy ingot
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delay?

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they auto ping

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Tho they only reping when a ping runs out

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or a new unpinged enemy shows up

wanton blade
#

It is an instant ping though!

nimble arrow
#

Okay

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I like that

lunar rain
#

How does one kill shadow guys without waking them up?

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Or is a bio tracker really the only way ?

turbid horizon
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Hit them with hammer

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U can flash your light on them very briefly

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To figure out where they are

lunar rain
#

I got that it’s just how do I find them with out running into them

tardy ingot
#

you can use your flashlight

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obviously easier in dark rooms

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shine at their feet to not wake them up

turbid horizon
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Or rooms with spotlights

tardy ingot
#

can also use thermal weapons (pdw/precision rifle)

tardy ingot
turbid horizon
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The ambient light reveals shadows

tardy ingot
#

since when o.O? I dont remember that ever being a thing

turbid horizon
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Certain rooms have really powerful lights that show their shadows

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The shadow of shadows

lunar rain
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It’s didn’t in the room I was in

turbid horizon
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Like the blot on the floor

tardy ingot
#

Oh. You mean the ground shadows?

turbid horizon
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Yeah

tardy ingot
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that shows up everywhere

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irs just more noticeable in bright rooms

turbid horizon
#

Yeah

fierce nebula
#

500 IQ

tardy ingot
#

but yeah bio is op anyway @lunar rain

turbid horizon
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I meant the wall shadows

lunar rain
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I bumped into one, scared me when I got smacked

turbid horizon
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Like if a light hits them, it casts a shadow on the wall behind them

tardy ingot
#

take pdw if you wanna rly see them
Stronf Flashlights show their outline well

fierce nebula
#

I miss being a new player when bumping into sleepers was an issue

lunar rain
#

Do they glow still when you shine the light on them ?

tardy ingot
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they dont glow

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but they make a sound

lunar rain
#

Fun

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I think I might have to get a team to play now, solo is getting really hard

turbid horizon
#

Yeah you just have to get used to figuring out if they’re still stretching or not

lunar rain
#

Same sounds as normal sleepers ? Clicking then a throbbing sound ?

turbid horizon
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Yup

lunar rain
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Can their be shadow giants ?

turbid horizon
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yes :3

lunar rain
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And other guys ?

turbid horizon
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Not shooters

lunar rain
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I am screwed

turbid horizon
lunar rain
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R7 d1 I think

turbid horizon
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Ah, yeah soloing that is going to be hard for other reasons as well

lunar rain
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Other reasons? What?

turbid horizon
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Spoilers

lunar rain
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Ah

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I’ll get some practice in on the lower levels I guess

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Easier ones

turbid horizon
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Don’t want to ruin the surprise

lunar rain
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All good

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I think I know what your talking about

turbid horizon
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If you want practice meleeing shadow sleepers, C3 is pretty decent

lunar rain
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Kk thank you for the advice

turbid horizon
#

Yaya! Anytime

icy cave
lunar rain
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I either run out of ammo or there are just too many for me and my sentry to handle

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Running out of ammo is terrifying

icy cave
lunar rain
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My first attempt at r7b1 I got to the moving scan and ran out of ammo just as a bunch ran in. Not fun when you hear a click when you fire instead of a bullet

tardy ingot
#

ammo and such shouldnt be as much the problem as that there are simply objectives barely possible to achieve solo (or extremely rng dependent)

icy cave
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@quaint zinc Have you done E1?

craggy pier
#

yea but he wants a slow one

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which is infinitely better if done right

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for example, lots of rooms for stealth, immortal slowly coming in, so you need to speed clear rooms

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or warden protocol and shoot gun on every room, do lots of alarms (s1s/arena scan) whatever

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way better than r7e1 but r7e1 is an ok map

tardy ingot
#

i mean youd have to change how immortal works either way
oh no! we now need to stealth with 3 people! while 1 person holds him...

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in a warden protocol it could work i guess? it would actually be a good way to work vs mine abuse

craggy pier
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which is why you use r5 cocoon mechanics

tardy ingot
quaint zinc
quaint zinc
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So the challenge is more doing things fast

craggy pier
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plus cheesing has always been a player choice

quaint zinc
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And not getting cornered

craggy pier
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it shouldn't be up for debate

tardy ingot
#

youd have to change immortal for that to work still. also have no path where you can even remotely run in a circle

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it would be cool if the immortal actively made it "impossible" to return to the past zone/room

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so its pretty much a slow deathtrap

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couple that with dangerous respawn rooms to stealth first

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and you cant leave 1 guy behind with it

quaint zinc
tardy ingot
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no spoiler from demon souls musicmommyPray havent gotten to play since i didnt get a freaking ps5 yet (and didnt try original intentionally)

quaint zinc
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Do you have a ps3

tardy ingot
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yesnt

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but wont get the game cuz i already got it for ps5

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just no ps5 painPeko

quaint zinc
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....

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W h y y y

tardy ingot
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i got it gifted

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and was supposed to get ps5

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then ps5 thing happened

quaint zinc
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Oh

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Yeah

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Why did sony not make enough of them again?

tardy ingot
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at first actual production issues

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then stupidity with scalpers

quaint zinc
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Or were they just being artificially scarce twats

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Ah, I see

tardy ingot
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like early one covid actually made it hard to get everything. Then when they started being available tens of thousands got bought by scalpers. And well many people want it

quaint zinc
tardy ingot
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oh im trying to go in mostly unspoiled and with a fresh mind

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same i did for bloodborne (which turned out to be my fav game

icy cave
winged turtle
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bhahahahah cringe

quaint zinc
icy cave
quaint zinc
icy cave
quaint zinc
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Not in the way you're thinking.

ocean spindle
#

my rponouns r 　/　 pls dont refer to me

quaint zinc
icy cave
ocean spindle
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dont talk

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lets go to general

quaint zinc
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yeah ik

past mesa
#

Love the sounds of dog whistles

winged turtle
#

they hurt my ears a little because they're too loud, but ya other than that they're great lol

fierce nebula
#

imagine Nazi's creating neo-gay and neo-trans 😭

ocean spindle
#

this isnt a gtfo related question

cerulean trench
#

What SMG/AR would yall recommend for solo r1?

winged turtle
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i hear good things about the AR!

turbid horizon
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yeah I stan the AR for solo play

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either that or hel revo but you asked for AR soo

tardy ingot
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i mean all mains are good

mossy aurora
tardy ingot
#

be a god at revolver and hel shotgun is also a good choice

ocean spindle
#

so this is probably a beginners question
whats the reason in the alarms? not the reason gameplay wise thats obvious, but in thw complex what purpose do they serve
i have a theory but guess i can ask too

turbid horizon
fierce nebula
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I'm not a lore expert but I presume it's cause the place is essentially an underground lab
it's to keep the science stuff under wraps

ocean spindle
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ok ill post my canon on the correct channel thanks

cerulean trench
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How do you beat r1c1 ;-;

verbal zinc
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You pull out your gun and shoot in a straight line

cerulean trench
verbal zinc
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Are you the chosen one to get the precious Guide Role on discord? 😳

wanton blade
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Lmfao

mossy aurora
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d0cred's chosen one...

river eagle
vital sierra
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he could just make other video game content

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or stop making youtube video since those are stressing af

verbal zinc
icy cave
vital sierra
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or when i pull a Badger

icy cave
vital sierra
icy cave
craggy pier
#

Exactly how much "Fixed Rewards" are now avaible in the random pool?

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Twin blade mask, Lugubrious, the ghostbuster backpack thingy?

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Is it only R7's or R6 too?

turbid horizon
#

R7's are definitely in it, I think based on their logic that the R6 pallete's would be (with maybe the exception of Destination) and idk, feels like the Twin Blade was a limited time thing

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kinda like Oblique Tigris

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or the camo gear

silver fable
#

I missed the camo palettes 😭

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my life is incomplete

craggy pier
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weren't they random too?

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I got the red one instead of the other one

ocean spindle
#

they were limited time editions

craggy pier
#

i'm pretty sure none of the "fixed rewards" are available in the random pool

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So if someone claims to never have played R6 and has twin blade mask or lugubrious they're using VERBOTEN stuff?

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Either that or lying I guess

turbid horizon
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idk, the pools aren't clearly defined anymore

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I haven't gotten anything from R6 yet, so idk (I never got Overload Six, Overdive, or Twin Barrel)

icy cave
fierce nebula
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along with the pants, jacket, and backpack

lunar rain
#

Is the primary pistol any good or no. Or are the other pistols just more consistant/ better all rounders ?

silver fable
#

pistol is fine

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used to be one of the best mains, but got toned down in rundown 6

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the stagger on it is still probably the best of any of the mains

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if you're just looking for the best mains, you want hel revo or carbine

river eagle
#

oh nvm i am thinking about rundown 5

silver fable
#

ah

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yeah r5 pistol was front of the pack

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some still argue pistol was/is one of the best mains even after the nerf

tardy ingot
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in its range its still rly good

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but it lots medium/high range usage power

mossy aurora
#

It's just overshadowed by hel revo though right?

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R6 it was still good it's just that hel revo was there

distant ice
#

what exactly do you think was nerfed on the pistol in R6

lunar rain
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Hel revolver fires 8 bullets yet you load 6 in ?

mossy aurora
#

Yeah R6 patch notes just says bullet cost was increased

winged turtle
#

what does bullet cost mean in this context?

mossy aurora
#

How much you get from ammo pack uses

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Higher bullet cost = you get less ammo per refill

distant ice
#

it says that

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but they didn't actually change it

mossy aurora
#

Wait really? Lmaoo

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So it was actually unchanged from R5 to R6?

distant ice
#

yes

mossy aurora
#

So people's perception of pistol being toned down was a combination of placebo and hel revo addition?

distant ice
#

idk i didn't even notice people saying pistol was nerfed to begin with

tardy ingot
#

didnt they nerf the pistols fall of dmg range?

neon gust
#

It got shadow nerf

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But it didnt mention on the patchnotes

distant ice
#

ah true the falloff was changed slightly

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but its range was already complete ass before that

winged turtle
#

but for mains, doesn't ammo always cost/give 20% of ammo reserve for the weapon? isn't it special weapon slots that have a ton of variation?

waxen jetty
#

yes they nerfed pistol range

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gayer to stagger charger licking u

distant ice
#

in the total ammo % you see it includes the mag size

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that's what offsets things

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and either way that doesn't mean they didn't change how much ammo you get, it's just that the total ammo would also get changed when that happens

winged turtle
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not that they can't but i doubt they would

distant ice
#

bullet cost is just how the stat is referred to by the game itself

winged turtle
#

ohh good to know

vapid trench
#

are the shelling pistol and veruta XII machine gun fine this update? any other better options for someone with meh aim?

willow dragon
#

Just keep practicing
Also remember that most weapon's hip fire is really good so if they get close, as long as you're looking at them you'll hit them!

vapid trench
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I was playing on a laptop previously with like 20 fps so I never bothered getting better at aim, just shot in the general direction

vapid trench
willow dragon
#

There's a reason why most Speedrunners use the HEL revolver as their primary

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It's one of the best ammo efficient weapons In the game, especially once you get really good at using it

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Combat shotgun has good ammo efficiency as well. If you get reasonably close and aim for the head: 1 shot = one dead sleeper (small ones) and it has over 50 rounds of total ammo

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And since it's a special, it gets more ammo from ammo packs

tawdry oxide
#

Combat shotgun is a worse revolver

vapid trench
scenic viper
lunar rain
#

Anyone know what this means ?

#

clctr multithread professor activated

jaunty bear
#

its flair

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it doesnt mean anything in terms of practicality

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its an indication that multiple rundowns are accessible

lunar rain
#

Oh

jaunty bear
#

ie, only rundown 1 and 7

lunar rain
#

Ok thank you

minor fractal
#

CS has advantages over Revo, but much less range.

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They play similarly, though. Wave clear specials with a lot of ammo that are aim intensive but can one-shot strikers.

scenic viper
#

Yeah but CS efficiently handles other threats quickly and in less than a full mag too in its ideal range

minor fractal
#

The body damage is def the main selling point.

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But revo reload cancel + high chip damage makes it better for smalls generally.

scenic viper
#

I'm not familiar with this reload cancel tech

minor fractal
#

Reload, press melee button at the correct time.

scenic viper
#

Huh

minor fractal
#

Switch back to the weapon right away.

scenic viper
#

Still, the combat shotgun retains more burst potential, and staggers crowds better and faster

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Combat shotgun feels closer to the hel shotgun than the revolver to me

#

I suppose it's a matter of opinion to some degree

minor fractal
#

HEL Shotty can't OHKO, while CS can.

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And it plays a lot like Revo in that regard, just in very short range.

scenic viper
#

This is true, and the hel shotty has pierce

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But both the hel and combat shotgun are more positioning than aim dependent imo

minor fractal
#

I'll agree it's reasonable trade-offs, though.

neon gust
scenic viper
#

I guess my point is I feel like I don't bring the revolver for the same reason I bring the combat shotgun

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I'd bring the revolver for a highly efficient and range-flexible sustained wave clear weapon that's aim intensive. The combat shotgun feels like it's used for a very long and efficient burst of either wave clear or spot removal, due to the long reload

#

I haven't checked how reload techs impact this tho

#

Frankly I'm surprised people don't think the combat shotgun is that great here

#

It's been buffed from r5

#

And back then it saw loads of use

brittle mural
#

Most guns can be reload cancelled, its just about waiting for your gun's ammo count to refresh, then you swap to something else to cancel the rest of the animation

scenic viper
#

Huh

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What's the usual swap

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Shove, or weapon swap?

neon gust
#

press 1 then 2 then 1 again

brittle mural
#

Both

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Anything that you can swap to that's not the thing you're reloading

scenic viper
#

I've noticed a frustrating thing where shotguns seem to miss if you shoot while pulling them out

#

So I'm not sure how well that works

brittle mural
#

Shotguns + Crosshair isn't a good match

#

Shotguns in this game fires based on the actual gun model's position, not where your crosshair is

scenic viper
#

I don't have this issue with other weapons

#

Just shotguns

#

For some reason

jagged shore
#

something something shotgun sway bug or whatever

scenic viper
#

Do other weapons NOT do this?

brittle mural
#

Y

scenic viper
#

That is

#

Odd

#

On the plus side

brittle mural
#

Its why when you ADS with shotguns, they seem to fire lower than where you're aiming

scenic viper
#

The combat shotgun 1 shot headshots feel

#

Far more consistent and long range than I remember

neon gust
#

because they buff the effective range and decvrease the spread

#

its basically rundown 3 combat shotgun again

jagged shore
#

also it seems like to me that quick shove > weapon button for reload cancel is like instant

minor fractal
#

Only shotguns

#

It's very strange.

scenic viper
#

The cone feels tightened, if I take my time and aim at either the back of the neck (crouchers up close), the head (crouchers elevated or farther or standers bending over to attack or run) or the bottom of the neck (standers upright), if an enemy can hit you, you can consistently 1 tap it

#

Feels really good

brittle mural
minor fractal
brittle mural
#

Not that I used shotguns much

scenic viper
neon gust
#

They probably didnt like us doing aim canceling to spam pump shotty

brittle mural
#

The flashlights though

#

Very annoying

scenic viper
#

Shotgun flashlights also feel stronger than I remember

#

If only slightly

brittle mural
#

I love illuminating the left half of my screen whenever I'm running with the LRF out

scenic viper
#

Honestly all the weapons I tried felt like

#

Usable, when I spent 8 hours he other day doing an in depth combat test of each one

#

...except the smg

brittle mural
#

Or the gun flashlights swaying the fuck around because you're running

scenic viper
#

Smg just feels like... bad

#

I don't understand that weapon

#

It feels like it wants to operate in PDW range

#

But it has recoil and worse hip fire and way worse body efficiency

#

People apparently used to swear by it

#

But I'm left just, whelmed

neon gust
#

ok badger

scenic viper
#

Badger?

neon gust
#

A mythical creature

minor fractal
#

Very very fast TTK.

#

Also, not much competition.

scenic viper
#

These days it has loads

#

If I want something comfy and easy to use at most ranges, there's the bullpup and AR

#

If I want close range specialty options there's carbine and pdw and hel shotty

minor fractal
#

Dunno about people "swearing by it," maybe in PuGs but that's because your average PuG player isn't particularly competent and is probably favoring weapon feel over performance.

scenic viper
#

I just can't think of a single reason other than feel, to prefer it

neon gust
#

looks

minor fractal
#

Basically.

#

TRUE

neon gust
#

smg probably the best looking gun in the game

#

signature of the game even

#

iconic

minor fractal
#

PR is in a similar state, actually.

#

It has more-or-less a single very potent use-case, and is terribad everywhere else.

scenic viper
#

I spend more time looking at sights of the weapon I bring than the models themselves

#

So I'm personally more won over by a nice sight

#

Like the bullpups, or the precision rifles thermal

scenic viper
#

At least the precision rifle heavily outranges the revolver and has a thermal scope

neon gust
#

pr can 1 shot hs scout, can see shadows and have wave clear

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lot more than revo

#

revo you just rely on your skill to make it work

minor fractal
#

I dunno about that one.

#

The wave clear is unbearably slow due to reload speed.

neon gust
#

well used to have wave clear kekw

scenic viper
#

I feel like the precision rifle really suffers at closer ranges which is a lot of the game

neon gust
#

but even then have many advantages over revo

scenic viper
#

But at longer ranges it fills a niche

minor fractal
scenic viper
#

And some maps have nice long sight lines to abuse it on efficiently

neon gust
#

so it matches machinegun

minor fractal
neon gust
#

obviously its brethren gun

minor fractal
scenic viper
#

I personally usually just bring the DMR instead

#

Because I'm addicted to it

#

But

#

It feels like it has more of an identity than the smg

minor fractal
#

Like, I used to run it as a comfort pick on D2.

#

But the reload is just so fucking bad.

#

I legitimately couldn't dump my ammo fast enough to not run out of Carbine.

neon gust
#

you shooting alone

#

?

minor fractal
#

Yeah, pretty much.

#

It was an awful PuG group.

#

But still,

neon gust
minor fractal
#

The staying power is just very lacking.

#

Compared to all of the other options.

scenic viper
#

Well

minor fractal
#

?

scenic viper
#

It's a bit gaster

#

Faster

neon gust
#

whats the reload of pr right now? 2.6?

minor fractal
#

Shotgun reload is way fast.

scenic viper
#

3 second pump shottt reload

minor fractal
#

??

neon gust
#

reload cancel

scenic viper
#

Wait

neon gust
#

I wish we had non reload cancel weapons

scenic viper
#

How fast is it with cancel

neon gust
#

so the weakness actually matter

scenic viper
#

I have never done a reload cancel in my life

neon gust
#

but not in this universe despair

scenic viper
#

I've always brought the combat shotgun because the pump just

#

You have to reload and take a coffee break or swap guns

#

Unless I have at least 2 other competent players to help buy time

minor fractal
#

PR reload is 3.6 seconds, Shotgun is apparently 3 but def doesn't feel that way, I guess because I cancel like half of it.

neon gust
scenic viper
#

How early can you cancel and then recover to shoot

neon gust
#

nah man

#

im switching my name

#

goddam

#

it doesnt feel like 3.6 tho lmao

scenic viper
#

Can you cancel it

neon gust
#

mayb im just too used to it

minor fractal
#

Felt like it to me in that PuG.

neon gust
#

kekw

minor fractal
#

3.6 seconds where my team is AFK letting the entire wave rush our position.

scenic viper
minor fractal
#

I've played too much Revo.

scenic viper
#

Two of us ran pump on r1c1 and don't know how to cancel and we had a bot in slot 4

minor fractal
#

That 0.5ish second cancel is hard to pass up.

scenic viper
#

But me and my friend were good enough to beat some r5 levels as a duo pre bots

#

So I can rely on him

#

And with a third, it's alright

neon gust
#

Long reload dont really matter that much if you have a teammate

#

"work together or die together"

scenic viper
#

If you uh

minor fractal
#

"Solo wave, EZ"

scenic viper
#

Cancel shotgun reload and then shoot

#

Does sway bug happen

minor fractal
#

Yeah, you have to let sway recover.

#

Unfort

scenic viper
#

Guh

#

Why even cancel

#

It takes like half a second anyways

#

For spread to recover

minor fractal
#

Still faster, p sure.

scenic viper
#

It better save a lot of that animation

minor fractal
#

I think a good chunk of shotgun reload time is a post-reload period where nothing happens.

scenic viper
#

Hrrm

#

I'll test later

#

If true this may yet further improve my beloved combat shotgun tho

minor fractal
#

CS might have a bad cancel tbh.

#

But I think the reload got stealth-buffed, so it's kind of w/e.

#

It's pretty good regardless.

scenic viper
#

That's fine, it has a shorter reload anyways

#

Always has

#

The bigger mag does a lot too

minor fractal
#

Apparently 2.83s?

#

Doesn't feel it at all.

neon gust
#

I would love cs to have 10 bullets like in r1

neon gust
minor fractal
#

Has the mag for it tbh

scenic viper
#

The thing is

#

Not only is it slightly faster but by the time I'm done dumping the CS

#

I've either staggered enough stuff rhat I can reload before they run in, or I've killed almost everything and can swap to clean up

#

Or, it's a really nasty alarm or combat scenario, but that's what friends are for

#

Enemies injured by spare combat shotgun pellets usually die to one DMR buet

#

Bullet

#

I'm a big fan of using them together

minor fractal
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DMR and HEL Revo generally have pretty good shotgun synergy.

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Good finishers in both directions.

scenic viper
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Hel Revo is very nice

neon gust
scenic viper
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Tbh I feel like it'd be fine without the piercing

minor fractal
scenic viper
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Hel revo is so much easier to use than pistol and nearly as efficienf

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The piercing is just overkill

minor fractal
scenic viper
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I guess

minor fractal
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Why it gets more ammo than the DMR, no idea.

scenic viper
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It's better up close

minor fractal
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Depends on how well you can manage the scope.

scenic viper
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Dmr hipfire has saved my ass a lot but it's not stellar

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I guess?

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Dmr is pretty great though

minor fractal
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It's a potent support tool, and just generally has a solid TTK.

scenic viper
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Honestly I feel like most of the primaries are in a good place

neon gust
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Always have been WhiteSpin

scenic viper
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The SMG is the only one that feels wack RN imo

jagged shore
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what is ttk

neon gust
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time to kill

jagged shore
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thank

neon gust
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smg you just magdump everything in sight

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never had trouble with it

scenic viper
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Supposedly the bullpup has issues but it's so supremely comfy that I think it's fine

scenic viper
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Swapping from PDW to smg felt so awful

neon gust
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but i dont like carabine and pdw only used it a few times

scenic viper
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PDW is secretly great

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I never see anyone use it

minor fractal
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I mostly use PDW for the magdump playstyle.

scenic viper
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But it's awesome

minor fractal
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Just quickly kill problem strikers, reload cancel.

scenic viper
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I think my biggest issue is finding a secondary to pair with it

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But the reload is so fast that I don't even mind the small mag

minor fractal
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Big PDW + Revo player.

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p comfy.

neon gust
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PDW pump

minor fractal
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Fun to play.

scenic viper
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PDW is also like
Surprisingly good vs big guys

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It just works, idk

minor fractal
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Like mains that aren't shotguns or Carbine, they all have about the same total damage.

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But PDW shoots real fast.

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Which makes it a fairly good option for sustained damage.

scenic viper
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It's also got such a similar body and head ttk that you can just

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Ignore headshots and aim center mass

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And be very efficient

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Relatively speaking at least

minor fractal
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Yeah, it's very good emergency clear.

scenic viper
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Maybe not sniper

neon gust
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It goes alright with sniper

scenic viper
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How do you deal with shooters tho

minor fractal
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PDW is p good for them, ngl.

scenic viper
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Huh

neon gust
minor fractal
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Although you usually want to target switch.

neon gust
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or you know

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teammates

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usually theres other 3 people playing the game

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usually

scenic viper
mossy aurora
minor fractal
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Static meta vs. PuG meta.

scenic viper
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My favorite loadout

neon gust
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I play with 2 people 2 bots with my SO but even then its not big issue

mossy aurora
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Just let your dmr teammate kill the shooters if you're running PDW pump or something

neon gust
scenic viper
minor fractal
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Really gotto do Bishop like that?

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My man.

scenic viper
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Bot Dauda is my eternal bot buddy

mossy aurora
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Oh mb, I thought gtfo was a team game about gun synergy, forgot that that 4 hel gun is the best comp

scenic viper
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But he's not very smart

minor fractal
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Oh, nvm, based.

scenic viper
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I usually give him the mine deployer, so I can bring bio tracker

neon gust
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hacketbot: plin plinp plinplinplin

neon gust