gtfo-related-questions

[craggy pier]

how much easier is it compared to the others

[stark niche]

out of topic
we actually compared how DRG sends dwarfs to mine stuff and GTFO sends prisoners to.. do stuff?

the problem is, dwarfs like and want to mine, where prisoners probably dont wanna do what they are doing

[icy cave]

R2E1 is a bit harder then it's a pretty big jump to R5E1. And then another smaller jump to R4E1

[tardy ingot]

its comparable to R2E1 in a way
it punishes mistakes (over the level) more, but it doesnt enforce them as much. Its based more on learning it and ammo balance

R5E1 is a lot harder and R4E1 is even over that

but yeah R4E1 > R5E1 >> R2E1 >= R7E1 imo

[craggy pier]

I hope they maintain their difficulty in rerelease

[icy cave]

we all hope

[tardy ingot]

theres only a few levels i consider around (or higher) R7E1 difficulty

stuff like R4D2PE, R5C2PE for example

[icy cave]

R4E1 is legit brutal

[tardy ingot]

i know that i could beat R5E1 now
R4E1 is just damn

[icy cave]

Only E level with a secondary as well 😅

[tardy ingot]

ye. and even without that its still rough

[craggy pier]

ooooo I can't wait

[icy cave]

Bruv it STARTS though

[tardy ingot]

id actually be interested in a level ranking by difficulty

like R4E1 > R5E1 are pretty set as top 2 no?

[icy cave]

Like it makes it clear from the start: ok mf's time for pain

[craggy pier]

ima go watch some R4E1 to get an idea

[icy cave]

Those are top two for sure

[tardy ingot]

we finished D2 with both optionals (not PE) and were like, damn we might be new but this is sick
R4E1 then hit us with a fucking nuke

[icy cave]

you'll come back scarred

[craggy pier]

how long does the level take?

[icy cave]

Yeah even the jump from D tier to R4E1 was pretty substantial

[vital sierra]

really speedy at first for R4E1

speedrun version is about 30 min?

[icy cave]

1.5 hours to 2 is average??

[quasi cypress]

thats exactly why I brought it

[vital sierra]

i already forgot how fast R4E1 was without extreme

[quasi cypress]

just did R1B1

it took me an hour and 53 mins

I feel exhausted

[icy cave]

👏

[quasi cypress]

that mission had me so nervous that I was gonna be forced to go into the rooms that had like a million big dudes

[icy cave]

Never tried it without extreme tbh

[vital sierra]

without extreme, 1 hour or 1 hour 30m

it's depend on the rng being good to you or not with the scout spawn

[stark niche]

btw, how many shits does a scout give of u running and using flashlights? rn we think that its approximately 0 shits, but might have been lucky

[vital sierra]

idk if forcing people to speedrun for the 20% progression of R4E1 is a good idea or not

[tardy ingot]

ayo congrats
we actually wanna speedrun that mission later today the goal is like 7 min

[stark niche]

THE HELL

[icy cave]

He won't scream. He will extend feelers tho

[tardy ingot]

did you know. r1a1 was done in 2:34 already

[vital sierra]

scout is just normal sleeper with an additional feature

so you can "wake" it up but the room won't go loud

[stark niche]

so we should only be careful to not hit the feelers?

[vital sierra]

yes, most of the time

[icy cave]

Yes or other enemies that might scream

those will alert the scout

[tardy ingot]

also dont touch it, dont dmg it unless you 1 shot it
dont wake enemys in the same room (or rather dont let them scream)

and yeah, sprinting makes the tentacles go out immediatly

[stark niche]

also he screams if u dont kill him in one hit 💀
found it out the hard way

[lost flame]

do note that when you touch the feelers the scout wont instantly become immune and begin screaming

[vital sierra]

you could pin down a scout in a spot by using your flashlight

[icy cave]

1.5 sec is da dream

[lost flame]

its a short window, but it is at least a window.

[stark niche]

do they? i think we had some gunfights in a room with a scout and he didnt go off. maybe the room was so bug he was out of range? idk

[lost flame]

so you could in some scenarios charge the scout with a melee while its sending out tentacles

[vital sierra]

the devs can adjust it to make it harder to kill scout

[tardy ingot]

yes guns have ranges

also invisible room dividers (and open doors) "muffle" sounds

it goes from 50 to 30 to 10 m

[icy cave]

Must have been a beeeeg room

[tardy ingot]

if same, 1 room, 2 rooms away

[stark niche]

the touching too
found it out the hard way. i accidentally moved to close to a big sleeper and got slapped on my face lmao

[icy cave]

Yeah they can Mike tyson you away

[vital sierra]

too much info

play game normally

[stark niche]

oh so basically if there's noone around, we can just rush him and try to onetap in the head?

[lost flame]

if theres nobody around you can instead just shoot it with a 1tap weapon

[stark niche]

okei, good to know

[lost flame]

like a high caliber pistol

[icy cave]

Full charge Hammer on his skull

BONK

[stark niche]

ok, thanks for the info

[lost flame]

when it becomes alert-alert, and begins charging a scream, you've probably noticed that it no longer takes damage

hm, new idea for an enemy, pablo scout

[stark niche]

we're usually too scared to shoot coz we might wake everyone in the zone lol

[vital sierra]

it would link back to respawn room scout

[lost flame]

yeah thats why you should usually wack em instead

[stark niche]

WAIT IT DOESNT TAKE DAMAGE AT ALL?

[icy cave]

I think the charger scout is enough

[lost flame]

not when it begins screaming no

[stark niche]

we tought it just has like a shit load of armor

[icy cave]

It fills that role of scout that can't be easily one shot

[stark niche]

oh f..

[lost flame]

if it can take multiple sniper shots to the head i dont think it can die.

[stark niche]

lmao

[lost flame]

before and after the scream is a different story

[lost flame]

what about a scout that just cannot die

even when alerted

[icy cave]

So you have an invincible chicken running after you for the rest of the level???

Kinda lame ngl

[lost flame]

like, something like the big room in R7C2, a single pablo scout that fucks about you'll have to avoid

[lost flame]

yes

[silver fable]

hmm, it'd be interesting if 10cc tried an invincible enemy at some point

[lost flame]

yeah it sure would.

[icy cave]

one WITH animations 👀

[silver fable]

sounds expensive

[lost flame]

what do you desire the most, immortality or animations

[icy cave]

We have the first so gimme no2 plz

[silver fable]

probably animations

[stark niche]

how far should the sleepers be to not wake up after some of their friends got their head annihilated with a hammer?

[lost flame]

usually about 3-4 meters, maybe closer, but if they're glowing or shaking then they may wake up from longer distances

[stark niche]

ok, another theory proven. is there a way to find if they're gonna wake up by looking at a bio tracker?

like, i know it has 10 and 20 meter marks

but the dots of sleepers are pretty big

[steel valley]

if the dots are overlapping they'll probably wake up

the insta aggro range is actually really short, it's just a bit outside the radius of the circles iirc

[winged turtle]

but spitters always come 👀

[icy cave]

👀 👀 👀

[elfin harbor]

For rundown 7, is the intended path to do the yellow (what I'm assuming are direct story/related missions) first and then go back for the other white missions, or is it intended to go layer by layer?

[willow dragon]

Its up to you, but i would say A1-B1-C1-D1 so you have access to everything other than E1

[tardy ingot]

then again B2 and B3 are gonna be a lot easier than D1

so just go until you struggle and then maybe branch out

[uncut heath]

hey is R7 gonna be the last "new" rundown?

[willow dragon]

Rundown 8 is coming out after the rest of them are re-added

R8 will probably be the last New rundown

[uncut heath]

sounds great, already looking forward to playing

[willow dragon]

Its not gonna be out for another year and a half or so, but yeah

Hopefully they make it good

[rain patio]

Any shadows, fart fog, or normal fog on R7C3?

[turbid horizon]

|| yes to shadows ||

[rain patio]

Cool beans, running PDW

[nimble summit]

Where was this confirmed?

[willow dragon]

Its not confirmed but its a logical assumption based on 10c's release schedule

[nimble summit]

Is the official release schedule for the ALT rundowns out somewhere??

[willow dragon]

No

im referring to how they released the previous rundowns lol

[nimble summit]

What, half a year between each?

[willow dragon]

from r4 onwards yeah

the gap from r4-5 was a long one

[nimble summit]

We have five ALT rundowns before R8, so half a year between each makes that two and a half years.

[willow dragon]

the first few only had a few months inbetween them

if anything, i seriously hope the release Altr2 in December before 10c goes on their holiday breal

[nimble summit]

I just can't grasp how it takes so much time for a team of the devs that made the game to re-release old content in the time period a single modder can make several rundowns by themselves.

[willow dragon]

10c just makes it work lol, thats what we always say

they are also working on their next game as well

[rain patio]

Which is apparently a heist game

Could just be an expansion for GTFO

[willow dragon]

appropriate considering they are ex-payday devs

[nimble summit]

I guess there isn't much hope left for a swift release schedule for the ALT rundowns...

[willow dragon]

if im being generous, we are probably gettng alt r2 in December before they go on vacation

from onwards, most likey alts r3-r5(maybe) in 2023, then alt r6 early 2024 and r8 summer 2024

[nimble summit]

That's a big oof.

[willow dragon]

Yuh

10c more like 10years to port an old rundown

but we will see

[nimble summit]

The radio silence from the devs isn't helping much.

Would love to know if there's any hope left for a swift release schedule or if we are doomed to wait months on end.

But at least once more rundowns become available there will be more maps to choose from for replays, so that'll keep things fresh for a bit longer.

[willow dragon]

Yeah

there will be 68 levels once they are all added

[nimble summit]

I wish that the devs will implement Steam Workshop support for community rundowns as a parting gift on R8.

[nimble summit]

I counted 70 🤔

And then we'll have R8 levels as well. 80 would be a good number...

[willow dragon]

just did it on calculator, its 68

probably 12

for r8

[nimble summit]

I did it on a calculator as well, got 71 🤔

[willow dragon]

6 from r1

10 from r2

7 from r3

12 from r4

13 from r5

oh wait

shit

its 71

[nimble summit]

6 from R1
10 from R2
7 from R3,
12 from R4 + EXT
13 from R5 + EXT
13 from R6 + EXT
10 from R7

[willow dragon]

totally forgot to include r6 extension

[turbid horizon]

F

[nimble summit]

Wait, do the rundown entry point sizes on the menu screen correspond to rundown level count?

It seems that they don't. That's a relief, the circle for R8 is so small I was afraid it was going to be a small rundown for sure. It could still be a small rundown, but hopefully not.

[willow dragon]

its probably not

10-13 levels

[silver fable]

I predict that the vets will expect r8 to be "hard, because come on, it's the final rundown, you gotta end on something uncompromising, you'd be insane not to tailor your last content update towards your most dedicated players"

and then 10cc will make a lot of story levels geared towards being accessible to variety players, and maybe a few mildly challenging levels

[craggy pier]

Worst loadout?

[silver fable]

probably bullpup + precision rifle

10 working day turnaround on all reloads

and the loadout is going to be beaten in impact (e.g. kill rate) by carbine + revolver, which also reloads blazingly quickly

[stoic breach]

I think most vets are the side of extreme disappointment and hoping to god its enough to not let the game die.

[silver fable]

as in, enough to spike sales and convince 10cc to continue active development on the game after all?

or as in, enough to have some effect on playerbase retention, to where the wider community continues to engage with the game and modded content and whatnot?

[vital sierra]

define hard

after you beat the rundown, we will just go back to our normal quote

"Game easy"

[lapis notch]

Friend group and I are entirely new to the game, bought it after Bricky's video. Should we start with r7 or alt 1

[vital sierra]

alt r1

[silver fable]

interesting reflection

after the gigachads we had in gtfo-chat yesterday claiming "r5 duos ez" I think you're onto something

[vital sierra]

literally

we have a walking "R7E1 is easy guy" Cough cough

[silver fable]

I do think there's a fair point here, though

[waxen jetty]

hes mad

[silver fable]

I shouldn't've been able to duo e1

[vital sierra]

i know

[silver fable]

sure I put a lot of time into it, but I'm not that good

[vital sierra]

but that's the point

after you beat it, you can say whatever you want and call it easy

[silver fable]

I'm not mad, but I do think "game ez" rhetoric starts to get unreasonable at some level

[vital sierra]

like R5 people are doing cell skip instead of normal way

and then "Game easy"

[neon gust]

dont tell them that gtfo its all about the balance of preassure not about the game been hard

[silver fable]

I think there are reasonable people who aren't just being keyboard warriors saying "e1 was a letdown, shoulda been harder, where was the waveclear" etc

("less pablo babysitting" being a reasonable complaint, but not one about difficulty really)

or "recent rundowns lack levels/objectives that test an experienced 4man team"

[waxen jetty]

i think e1 is not e1 when it takes 50 min to duo

[vital sierra]

we are going to have the same convo but on Alt R2

back then we'll say it's hard

now we'll get "ez game"

[silver fable]

I was going to say, if the same sentiments prevail on alt r4/r5 then maybe the community is just jerking itself off

[neon gust]

r4 was easy

:^)

r4e1 you just had to sit with a revo for 40 min

[silver fable]

I wasn't around for r4, so I'm not going to weigh in on that

hell I was a noob in r5

[waxen jetty]

simply sit with your hel gun

[neon gust]

yeah

[silver fable]

god hel gun buffs are going to be something

[neon gust]

now just sit with your fresh hel weaponry from rundown 3 alt

in r4e1 and kill the wave!

if they buff hel weaponry im quitting this game

[silver fable]

hel weaponry are obscure and difficult

you need to charge every shot

[vital sierra]

should have been the case for hel rev

[silver fable]

hel gun in particular is this clumsy charge-up 9shot mag marksman weapon

seems bad

pick rate probably very low

[neon gust]

can tell you started in r5

[vital sierra]

hel gun bad????

[neon gust]

kekw

[silver fable]

lol I used hel gun in nearly every r6 duo

[neon gust]

the simplest most broken weapon in the game

[silver fable]

can't believe I need to tell gtfo-chat that I'm memeing

[neon gust]

its not obscure

nor difficult

the charge up its barely noticeable

[vital sierra]

if you give that gun to people who know how to use it

he'll solo waves for you on reactor level

[neon gust]

because some stupid dev or bug hunter might actually believe you

[silver fable]

they'll believe pick rate

[neon gust]

and actually buff the weapon that doesnt need to be buff!

[silver fable]

pubs probably hate the charge-up

[neon gust]

never seen them buff a weapon because of pick rate

they never did

[silver fable]

I remember far too many noobs (including my crew when we were new) thinking "I don't see why people like this gun"

carbine?

[neon gust]

most of it was because of "feel" or whatever

[silver fable]

har nerfs? precision rifle nerfs?

mg buffs?

[neon gust]

those were not pick rates

[vital sierra]

people hate PR because of the long ass reload time

and most people hate it, the pick rate for it was low

[neon gust]

lot of the buff where mostly made because of the gun itself

[silver fable]

apparently a lot of pubs were using pr

thought it was somehow good into bigs

[vital sierra]

it do jack on giant

it do good damage on tank and mom

[silver fable]

of course, but do pubs know that?

[vital sierra]

you would be surprised

[neon gust]

anything but the sniper do they

[silver fable]

where do you get this impression?

[neon gust]

because i know

trust me

[vital sierra]

choke mod shotgun was more picked

sniper

[neon gust]

i didnt do many ilegal things troughout 2020-2021

im totally not underwatch because of my previous actions

[vital sierra]

you would think the devs would nerf choke mod or sniper first before PR if you said the devs nerfing stuff with pick rate

[silver fable]

my impression was that hcp was picked more highly than choke or sniper in pubs

because it's a "better choke shotty" apparently

and apparently it's a "pocket sniper" because it 1shots scouts

also "better revolver" because it body 1taps smalls

the amount of times I heard the latter two was ridiculous

and there have been extensive arguments from experienced players for the "better choke" line

[vital sierra]

well, you could 1 shot headshot scout

and 1 tap smalls

[silver fable]

the base facts were often true, sure

the "therefore it's the better gun" claims were a huge overreach

anyway I don't want to have this argument yet again

I'm over the hcp nerf

point was it was being picked a lot

[neon gust]

still burns

but yeah, ive never seen it actually nerfing or buffing a gun because of pick rates, mostly because the gun itself its broken, i would say pick rate its just a side product of the gun been broken

also suggestion time!

[silver fable]

I find the "broken gun => high pick rate" claim dubious

most players don't know when a gun is broken

[neon gust]

I mean ive never really seen anybody go "people are picking this gun way too much lets nerf it"

[neon gust]

word of mouth do be a powerfull thing

[silver fable]

so you think, for example, that the har was broken?

[neon gust]

"you can only kill a scout when the tendrills are out"

[minor fractal]

HAR, PR, and HCP were all heavily used in PuGs and a bit my experienced players. Meanwhile, R6 saw next to no MG play.

[neon gust]

lasted for so long

[neon gust]

in r6 it was pretty good, also been a "newly added" gun also helps

[minor fractal]

I don't think they're going by community feedback for most balance changes, Scatter and Sniper being the main exceptions that come to mind.

[neon gust]

even tho they move it from primary to special

[vital sierra]

they should have nerf hel rev if that's the case

[neon gust]

bh feedback tho its a different story

[minor fractal]

If it is BH feedback, though, I think that tends to reflect your average PuG player's take.

[silver fable]

hel revo has been waiting for a nerf for more than 2 full rundowns now

my best guess as to why it's stayed as is, is that its pick rate is comparable to the bullpup

meanwhile carbine gets buffed into the sky

[vital sierra]

carbine is not even bad

they just don't pick it

[silver fable]

yeah but it has an obscure 4-burst fire mode that people tend to not like

hence the "pick rate low, let's buff" theory

my duos partner was using carbine prior to the latest buff

it was fine, even probably like the 4th best main

[neon gust]

what about the more obscure "very few people like burst fire weapons tho"

even if it one burst i wouldnt pick it kekw

if they truly buff the carabine because of pick rate it would be the first time ever in history that they actually look at the weapon picking stats in a long time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gnrQE7itLk

never forgetti

[minor fractal]

They could still view pickrates without showing them to us, though.

[neon gust]

did you made a "they want to make me feel what they feel"

This is good man this is good stuff man it would trade

[minor fractal]

FR, though, I'd say the best explanations of weapon balancing are either:
-They're looking at pickrate, and the weapons that are overused or undervalued in PuGs get weird changes.
-BH has a sizeable population of players with bad balancing takes.

[minor fractal]

Everything trades.

[silver fable]

I guess I see a third possibility: relevant people at 10cc (gameplay designers, delivery team etc) have some bad balancing takes, balance determined mostly based on those internal opinions, said opinions happen to correlate well with observed pick rate.

But some of the changes (carbine buffs, pr nerfs) are weird enough that it really makes me feel like 10cc is playing a game of "how goddamn much do we need to buff this gun before people clue in and actually take it?"

[tardy ingot]

i mean it doesnt even seem to be a theory with the pick rate. Its just happens too often 😐

[dry pumice]

The carbine situation is so funny to me. I genuinely believe people don't use due to aesthetic reasons - there's just something about the way that gun acts and sounds that makes it inherently bland to use and devs keep overcorrecting with buffs when all the thing needs is a new meaty firing sound or something.

[distant ice]

Or keep sounds and looks as-is, change firemode and see more people use it

[silver fable]

or keep it as it was, and accept that a lot of people just don't want to have their smg's firemode confined to 4-round bursts in exchange for higher firerate and more range

it's fine

some people will go for it and benefit from it

[icy cave]

Does this game have a carbine???

[silver fable]

my god, buff carbine until @icy cave becomes aware of its existence

[icy cave]

Gonna need 4 more rounds of buff for me to aknowledge it's existence

[dry pumice]

They just need to slow down the burst speed by like 30%. Two birds with one stone - will make the gun more interesting to use AND will compensate for all the unreasonable buffs it received.

[tardy ingot]

eh

[dry pumice]

Actually this is the first time in my life I see a close range burst weapon

They are always some kind of mid range weapons. Horrible at close range, not quite good at long range compared to sniper rifles, but have that golden "just right" spot at like 20-40m away from you.

This is the first time I see a burst weapon so aggressive at close range.

It's a unique take on the class for sure but I don't know if for the better.

[primal goblet]

wait. if dmr does 7.51 and the head shot muti on striker is x3 then it should do 22.53 dmg and one shot it rite...

[dry pumice]

It should.

[tardy ingot]

guns have a preciison multiplier @primal goblet

DMR has one of 0.87

so its 19.6

[primal goblet]

so with 3% ish of main dmg i can do 1 shot striker

[tardy ingot]

yes

[vital sierra]

anyone know why this happen?
#gtfo-media message

do i have to hold a specific weapon or do a specific thing for this to happen?

[silver fable]

20-40m is long range in gtfo

I'd regard choke shotty as long range, even, and that gun has falloff starting at 15m

carbine I'd regard as kinda medium range

[rigid sinew]

Im not exactly sure on what it depends, but it's arguably as random as it can get

would need to test out various stuff, but it probably has to do with level gen and some sort of client fuckery

[vital sierra]

he was the host

[shrewd dirge]

carbine makes my finger tired. i manually burst fire with most automatics anyway, make it so its an automatic 4 round burst.

[sturdy pilot]

if I equipped an aggressive booster for 39% melee resistance and a bold booster for an extra 15%, would I have 54 in total?

do they stack?

[shrewd dirge]

additive stacking

[sturdy pilot]

so yes?

[shrewd dirge]

yes.

[sturdy pilot]

got it, boss

[craggy pier]

@neon gust remind me again, melee on bots doesnt matter right?

which

[neon gust]

Unless i5 got change then it doesnt

They all should still do 16 damage

And hitbox/range doesnt matter becausr they get into hugging distance

Or doesnt exist anyways

[vital sierra]

can they headshot with melee?

[tardy ingot]

i mean that would only matter if they would charge no?

[neon gust]

If they hit the head yes

Back in r6 they just did flat damage not limb damage

[tardy ingot]

ah wait right enemys have head crit spots

[neon gust]

I dont know why they would do thst from the start but thankfully it was made aware and patch it

[tardy ingot]

still. do bots "charge" in a traditional sense?

[craggy pier]

there's is a slight delay once they get into bonk range

whether that counts or not 🤷‍♂️

[neon gust]

Never went that deep tbh but theres a delay in between them using tha hammer

And i think its slightly faster than actual melee charge

[tardy ingot]

was thinking if they do. wouldnt that mean it should influence the melee weapon dmg on headshots?

unless its turned off obviously

[neon gust]

Melee damage its flat 16

Crits do count

[tardy ingot]

yeah, but when they crit, spear and knife have precision dmg no?

as long as charged

[neon gust]

No they dont count

[tardy ingot]

kk

[neon gust]

They all share the same values regsrdless of melee

Dauda oneshooting a woken up charger frok the back its funny as hell

With a knife!

[tardy ingot]

4 knifes 1 shotting a giant striker

[craggy pier]

bots can but if not from the back the giant boi slaps

[neon gust]

They fixed the ladder carrying objective bug

Somr ladders a slightlt buggrd tho

Dont know if its consistent

[craggy pier]

its good that there are many pick up objectives for bots

[lunar rain]

Anyone have any weapon recommendations for soloing alt r1 b levels in particular the reactor level ?

[tardy ingot]

alt r1 b levels are. And reactor?
the reactor is R1C1

[fierce nebula]

all levels are easy

dont care

[lunar rain]

Ya sorry c1 not b levels

I just knew it was the reactor one

[torn quest]

Hi, we are newbies and just got the game. Question, is there like 4 different missions for each lvl? My friend noticed that under lvlll name there's "Complited: [1,-,-,-]?

[lunar rain]

Those would be like your secondary objectives, I believe that if is a dashed line then there are no secondary objectives for that level

[torn quest]

yeah for example R1A1

[verbal zinc]

R1 only has main

[torn quest]

do those can be complited at first try or you need run it again after successfully completing for the first time ?

[rancid zealot]

You can do it on your first try

[torn quest]

ok tnx

[jagged shore]

is back damage dependent on the player's position or facing angle

[craggy pier]

player position

[jagged shore]

i'm sure the difference would be minimal, just kinda wondering

ty

[craggy pier]

np

[shrewd dirge]

also, enemy direction does not change during an animation, so sometimes you'd think you're doing back damage, but are not.

[craggy pier]

giant strikers love it

spinny boi

[shrewd dirge]

hybrid familyguy pose

[craggy pier]

😂

[vocal oracle]

Me and my friends are about to load into R7C3, does anyone know if the c-foam portion upgrade only applies to the c-foam launcher or also to c-foam grenades and mines?

[past mesa]

it doesn't, all c foam portion does is reduce the ammo pre blob if you charge up the launcher

[vocal oracle]

awsome, thanks

[robust citrus]

Any tips for someone trying to solo the R1 reactor startup mission? I keep dying trying to escape at the end

[minor fractal]

I keep dying trying to escape at the end
Bots or true solo?

How early are you leaving after you finish?

[robust citrus]

not true solo, but with bots. And I'm leaving almost immediately after killing the larger sleepers that come in the final wave

I tend to be a little resource starved by the end -- out of turret shots and low on ammunition.

I'm not sure how you're meant to deal with hordes/waves with just melee

I'm a pretty new player overall

[minor fractal]

Might just need better resource management, but that's also a bit hard in solo.

The waves are fairly small, for what it's worth, 3-4 enemies per iirc.

[robust citrus]

the bots grab and chew through all the ammo packs and there doens't seem to be any commands to tell them not to use them

[violet jungle]

bots are braindead

[icy cave]

What Ray says is basically it. Keep in mind you are not supposed to be able to solo this game. Even with bots. Might save you some frustration later on

[sage robin]

anyone know what the "use on ally" keybind does? pressing the key doesn't seem to do anything in my game.

[lost flame]

E when aiming at a teammate, it uses ammo/toolrefill/medipack

[quasi cypress]

Is double burst sentry a good idea? It seems to be working really well but my buddy insists on the sniper shotgun sentry combo.

I personally feel like the shotgun sentry leaves a lot to be desired.

Sniper one is great but generally the low ammo issue is a problem, and I feel that even with the bioscanner synergy it makes me nervous

burst however seems to do a good job and clearing the little ones, and when paired with C-Foam it tends to clear a wave almost automatically sometimes.

But I am also just at low levels, so will this no longer be effective later on?

[tardy ingot]

dont take shotgun sentry

[lost flame]

Snipers are the bomb even in pairs but shotguns are seen as a poor choice

[tardy ingot]

unless you want it to go empty 5 seconds into the level

[gray sonnet]

Shotgun sentries are the devs bruh moment

To say the least

[tardy ingot]

@quasi cypress also please dont tell me you cfoam a door and place sentries on the other side

Just place a mine on it then

[quasi cypress]

,':^)

[gray sonnet]

Mines are great

[tardy ingot]

also regarding sniper sentrys ammo

if both burst and sniper sentry shoot at smalls they pretty much kill the same amount. Sniper 1 shots, burst 3 bursts

it comes down to sight lines and enemys. With bio sniper is king. But even then 1 burst can help peel for you

on earlier levels burst is usualy better

when we used sentries we used
A1 burst
B1 burst
B2 burst
C1 snipers + burst
C2 sniper
D1 sniper

[dry pumice]

Burst is great when you want to teamwork with the sentry.

With sniper you kinda compete who gets the kill without wasting ammo. Sometimes you both shoot the same target.

With burst youre supposed to help it.

Or it helps you.

[quasi cypress]

I see, so maybe sniper sentrry is better for me, considering that I tend to spam bioscanner's mobile enemy tracker like crazy

dang I also do that

generally how it tends to go is I place the sentries outside with the CFoam. Do the security door as fast as possible.

while standing in the security things, I try to scan enemies

once I get done, I immediately run to door and attempt to assist sentries

[tardy ingot]

if you use cfoam take mines (you can recfoam doors btw)

[quasi cypress]

and kill the wave's remaining enemies ASAP

[tardy ingot]

if you use sentries either open doors (or if mined cfoam aswell close) and place them in a good sight lines where you funnel enemys

cuz cfoam + sentry is very inefficient and a lot slower in killing enemys than mines will be

[quasi cypress]

I see.

So assuming I'm soloing

[tardy ingot]

completely alone or bots?

[quasi cypress]

wait you can go completely solo?

[tardy ingot]

Yes

[quasi cypress]

I've been playing with bots

[tardy ingot]

you can change it to only players or completely locked

[quasi cypress]

oh dang

[tardy ingot]

its a big challenge tho

since game doesnr scale

[dry pumice]

The game does not adjusts for solo players

Enemies are the same

[quasi cypress]

being that I struggled with a depth B level I'm fairly certain I am not good enough for complete solo

[dry pumice]

You technically can but... You know...

[tardy ingot]

i mean you are new…

most people start out with A level solos a few dozen hours in

Tho imo r1a1 is harder than r1b1

(To solo)

[tardy ingot]

Also what was your question you wanted to ask?

[craggy pier]

just cuz of the error alarm?

[quasi cypress]

I guess I don't know what loadouts are good for Me+bots/me+friends

[dapper whale]

Anyone know if they plan on adding old weapons back in moving forward with alt rundowns?

[tardy ingot]

nuh Class 4 is a lot harder than anything in b1

[quasi cypress]

Bioscan/Sniper/Cfoam/Mine?

[tardy ingot]

it depends on the level and strats you wanna use

[craggy pier]

bots give them pdw for primary and machinegun for special (techman veruta)

[quasi cypress]

I see, would it be unfair of me to ask for a summarized rundown of what types of loadouts are common?

[tardy ingot]

general all purpose loadout is bio/foam/mines + sentry (usually best/most generalist sentry) currently burst or sniper

[quasi cypress]

gotcha

as far as bot weapons

why specifically PDW for them?

[craggy pier]

has plenty of ammo also decent stats

you also can go with assault rifle or bullpup

[quasi cypress]

I use bullpup myself cause its so far the most reliable one

for me specifically I mean

it just feels really good to use

the only weapon that feels better to me is the sledge

[tardy ingot]

i generally prefer heavy ar on special due to 1 bullet stagger

but overall it doesnt matter too much

Tools >>>>> guns

[tardy ingot]

Yeee about that
Bullpup is the worst main. Useable but its reload makes its uptime awful

[craggy pier]

for bots?

[quasi cypress]

I also use heavy AR, but it depends.

[tardy ingot]

Ye

[quasi cypress]

I use heavy AR when Koning isn't super needed

for example on R1B1 I found the HAR to be a lot more useful given the lengthy/frequent raids

[tardy ingot]

i mean generally you can give bots any ok gun. Take a specific one yourself and just shoot up the whole level

for example when i was testing out stuff on b1 i just run in and shoot everything

[quasi cypress]

fair enough

I like the HAR cause the wind up on the other fully auto guns is meh

like its definitely not unplayable its fine I can just time it

but HAR doesn't do that.

so i like it more

[tardy ingot]

i miss HAR without awful recoil

man r6 HAR was my baby

[quasi cypress]

The recoil is wonky but I exclusively burstfire because I cant aim lol

err, idk I can aim in theory

When it comes to sniping in any video game I can be an absolute crackshot if I sweat

any other gun im basically useless

actually not true I seem to be really good with grenade launchers a lot its strange

I just sort of know how things arc with gravity and it just kinda works

so yeah with the full autos I just treat them like really weak extra capacity snipers

[floral acorn]

for alarms, even non-ads-area-bursting for stagger is gold, any weapon, har or mg

reactor wave-clears go for fast kills rather than

[craggy pier]

they'd run out of ammo fast tho

[tardy ingot]

i mean i rarely see bots run out of ammo even when pulling most rooms (at least prior to d tier)

[dapper whale]

I swear bots ammo is adjusted, that or their fire rate is like 1/2 of a player

[tardy ingot]

oh they definetly shoot way slower

[dapper whale]

I just wish i could turn off the bot resource allocation, they mess up and dont save sometimes

[neon gust]

As long as your below 80% your free for them

[craggy pier]

they only go ham when enemies are approaching fast but most of the time they like to stagger enemies even if there are 20 of em

[neon gust]

Dev said its because they dont want us to micro manage them, they have achieve the oposite

[dapper whale]

Lol, i wouldnt mind as much if they priorotized combat over it. Number times bots circle jerk healing me and each other instead of shooting

[neon gust]

I be camping boxes to prevent them from grabbjng while waiting for my partner kekw

[tardy ingot]

ah yes healing

[craggy pier]

bots were fine in r6 extension

[neon gust]

Been telling them since r6 to reduce it to 65% and add a delay to it

[craggy pier]

then they made them pick up lock melters which now they prioritize them over everything except cfoam trips

[neon gust]

They dont care 🙂

[craggy pier]

its funny when 3 bots try to heal you for 20% at the same time so thats 3 meds gone

[neon gust]

I tought they patch that

Nevermind that was reviving

[craggy pier]

take off bots stagger pls

[neon gust]

If r2 and onwards just dont have improvement ill loose hope on this devs

[willow dragon]

You still have hope?

[neon gust]

Not really

[willow dragon]

I'm just waiting for the levels to get difficult again

[neon gust]

It would not

[willow dragon]

It's all been relatively easy for 3 rundowns now

[neon gust]

You will not catch lighting in a bottle again :^)

[dapper whale]

Later stuff of r7 pretty decent difficult

[willow dragon]

Nah

[dapper whale]

Its no r5 but

[neon gust]

Cant wait for season 2 gtfi dlc

[craggy pier]

i wouldnt say its difficult

[dapper whale]

The PE are i find

[willow dragon]

D2 is just pressure on the person who stealths. E1 is just knowing what to do

[dapper whale]

Fair

Those are 2 i still doing

Chipping away at em

[craggy pier]

d2 sneaking for cell?

[willow dragon]

Just make sure you have a good stealth person

There's enough supplies the defenders could stay for like Lowkey half a hour

[craggy pier]

you can shoot up all the tanks and still have bountiful resources

[neon gust]

Literally the game 😆

The game capitalizes on you not knowing

[willow dragon]

Yeah

[neon gust]

So actual.new rundowns are somewhat entretaining

[willow dragon]

Even having a little bit of Intel changes the ball game

Yup

AltR2 and AltR3 are gonna be 1 session clears

[neon gust]

But we playing old rundowns so it means stuff gomma be easy anyways

All rundowns are gonna be 1 session clears

R5 just stupid long

Not even hard

[willow dragon]

Ehhh probably not for me lol. R4 and R5, I don't have the time to clear them one session

But yeah

Rundown 8 better be fucking amazing

Especially if it's going to be the last one

[craggy pier]

r8 better have surge alarms and pmoms

[neon gust]

R8 better be the most cinematic and fucking replayable rundown of history

[willow dragon]

R8 better have everything

[neon gust]

But doubt it

Because they said r6 was too much for them :^)

[willow dragon]

Plus a new, unique enemy. Another boss like the kraken but a lot harder

Require actual tactics instead of sniper go pew pew

[neon gust]

And non deafing audio

Ty simon for blowing my eardrums

Very cool

[willow dragon]

Very cool

Wonder if they are gonna support this game even after all rundowns are in or they are gonna switch to full-time on their next game

Prolly the latter

[vital sierra]

idk what type of game gonna be hard after player spent 1k hour into the game

[willow dragon]

Not even half that lol

[vital sierra]

either the player restricted themself so much that make it hard for them

or it's just hard for new player

just like dark souls game

[icy cave]

Yeah yeah grandpa, lets put you to bed

[vital sierra]

you're older than me man

[icy cave]

My enjoyment of life is now ruined. thx

[icy cave]

Bruh

Y u do dis

[vital sierra]

you did it first

[tardy ingot]

i mean you are nearl 50% older than me @icy cave no?

[neon gust]

Never watch developers stream

Worst mistake of my life

That was simon who said it

[icy cave]

Hmmmm am I?

F yeah actually that could be

[icy cave]

I didn't but now you gave me the news

well time to get back in the coffin. 😔

[craggy pier]

we still got stuff to do wait 😭

[icy cave]

Sadly no coffin right now. am working

sort off

[craggy pier]

working hard or hardly working

[icy cave]

More the latter 😅

[distant gate]

why not both?

[craggy pier]

can you tho?

[distant gate]

nothing is impossible

[craggy pier]

fair enough 🤔

[sour bronze]

life as a scout must kinda suck. with sleepers your at least asleep, but scouts just walk around the same room over and over

so onto my question

would you rather live as a scout or a infectious wall testicle

both must suck

[tardy ingot]

scout

at least you can walk

also id have a cute dumpy

[lost barn]

I have played GTFO since rundown 7 and I'd like to ask which rundown do you think was the most fun or the one that was the most difficult ?

[wooden osprey]

oh boy you are about to start the war

for me R4 was most fun and R5 was the hardest

[lost barn]

hmm interesting, thank you

[latent obsidian]

R5 hardest, not sure about most fun

Had a lot of fun in R2

[minor fractal]

Big R2 fan, but R5 was definitely the peak for difficulty (although the hardest level was R4E1).

[supple scroll]

Hey everyone, long story short I'm lucky to have a consistent group of friends to play with, but due to schedule constraints we can only play together once a week for a few hours. We're able to clear harder levels, but it takes us a looooong time. For example, R6D1 took us 3 hours.

It seems like our pace is really slow. We're very cautious and stealthy whenever possible, but a lot of videos that I've seen have players just sprinting through the level and hopping around. Does anyone have a video or post they'd recommend where I could learn how to start being more efficient with our room clears?

[minor fractal]

I have a big ass stealth guide, but I can also just explain the tricks that make things a bit quicker.

You know multi-kills and forced aggro?

[supple scroll]

I do not. Up to this point we've played totally avoiding online resources, so I don't know any tech or meta stuff

[tardy ingot]

R4 most fun, R5 hardest
but its also because i started in R4 i guess

R2D2 fav level

[minor fractal]

Hmmm, curious (but based).

[minor fractal]

The multi-kill idea is that, if you have two sleepers close enough that they'll wake each other up, you position behind the 2nd one but in range of the 1st one.

You then proceed to kill the first one, and use back damage + a head shot to undercharge the second one while it's still waking up.

as long as its "wake up" animation doesn't finish, it'll still be facing away from you acc. to the game.

[wooden osprey]

if you want to learn on your own just walk towards enemies and it just snowballs from there

not crouch but walk

it may sound stupid but it will become a big snowball effect

[minor fractal]

Also, there's also generally two sorts of "playstyles," full stealth and partial stealth.

Generally, if you want to full stealth, you have to slow down a bit to gather information or avoid bad alert patterns.

[wooden osprey]

hold'up wheres fast stealth?

[minor fractal]

For partial stealth, people will generally just W key and not care too much if the room wakes, they'll just deal with the situation as it develops.

[supple scroll]

Got it, so the idea with multikills is that one player would be able to kill close pairs by themselves, allowing you to split up more in stealth? Is there a specific weapon you'd recommend for this?

[wooden osprey]

...wheres fast stealth??!?!

[wooden osprey]

knife and hammer

[minor fractal]

I wouldn't consider it a playstyle.

[wooden osprey]

hammer for more utility but you need more experience to use it

knife is a fast charge headshot

[minor fractal]

You're either particularly good or particularly bad at full/partial stealth, and there's not really a "speed" aspect to it.

[wooden osprey]

so you can kill prop up to 4 multikills

[supple scroll]

Gotcha. With partial stealth I assume it typically escalates to using your ammo more often then? In your opinion do the levels have enough ammo to support partial stealth for newer players?

[minor fractal]

Hammer is what I'd personally recommend for learning due to its longer range and breakpoint requirements.

[wooden osprey]

no it doesn't

you still can melee most rooms

[minor fractal]

Hard to say, but partial stealth will usually involve a lot of melee kiting ^

[wooden osprey]

even when woken up

(im not giving alot of context cause ray is here)

[supple scroll]

I've mainly been using the hammer because it seems more forgiving than the knife. My issue when we have rooms go loud is dodging damage from enemies. It seems like the homing ranged shots and quick melee attacks are hard for me to dodge

Is there a trick to kiting? Make sure to use cover?

[minor fractal]

Don't bother with cover.

Well, for shooters maybe.

[wooden osprey]

the enemies have a cone of attacks (strikers aka melee enemeis)

[minor fractal]

But for strikers you want to make an "arcing" motion around enemies.

[wooden osprey]

if you do a arc to the right or left you can dodge them

very easily

like go behind them

from the left or right

[minor fractal]

I will say though, if you want to figure out partial stealth I'd recommend learning full stealth in-and-out first, as the mechanics will very much be related.

Also, full stealth can be pretty damn fast.

It's just up to game knowledge and experience.

[wooden osprey]

hammer is the easiest to use

and better than other melee weapons

sadly

[supple scroll]

Wow, you guys just blew my mind with the cone thing. I had no idea and I'm very interested to try that out!

[minor fractal]

Like, partial stealth is very popular in PuGs, but I'm like 90% that a lot of people are meaning to full stealth but they just happen to not be very good at it.

[supple scroll]

We definitely try to full stealth whenever possible, so it makes sense for us to start there In think. Thanks for all the input so far

[wooden osprey]

wish you good luck but again remember

if you want stealth to go faster

walk up to enemies as you are charging

or crouch walk to them as you are charging

[supple scroll]

Does it seem like a good idea for me to practice multi kills by hopping into R1A1 with a hammer and basically see how far I can get without things going loud? Or are there better ways to practice individually?

[wooden osprey]

tip: if you didn't know enemies don't wake up the room until they scream

meaning you can kill an enemy before the room wakes up

and if you can't kill it just right click to stagger it

forever

[minor fractal]

You'll want to walk or crouch based on when you want to sync and whether or not you need to prevent glows around you.

[wooden osprey]

no thats a good way

[sturdy glen]

R1b2 also really good

[wooden osprey]

just remember you don't have to be god tier at the start of it

take your time

[sturdy glen]

Shooters require headshots and the levels pretty full

[supple scroll]

We've been waking up the room by shooting too early I think then 😅

[supple scroll]

Thanks for the tip!

[wooden osprey]

yes also another big tip

enemies try to attack you at least once before screaming

[minor fractal]

Unless they start out really far away.

[wooden osprey]

ye

[tardy ingot]

A biotracker is great to know when a room is actually up (or when a single enemy got alerted) on someone that isnt actively in stealth.
At least while you arent super confident yet

Well bio is generally just super good even without that

[sturdy glen]

if any enemy does wake try to approach it so it triggers the melee instead of scream, just dont panic and sprint when that happens

cuz chances are youll just wake smth else unintentionally

[icy nacelle]

Bio's nice for that but I think it's probably better to get better at visually/audibly noticing without it, that way you get better at knowing when to get out or not.

[wooden osprey]

ok guys lets not give him information overload

[supple scroll]

We always bring a bio to mark during hordes, but haven't really use it in stealth. Good idea!

[icy nacelle]

The last thing you want is to be knee deep in sleepers staring at the bio screen after all.

[tardy ingot]

for sure. Its just good for beginners to see when/where stuff went wrong
later on dont use it too much unless its like hard stealth

[sturdy glen]

was trying to add onto this, but yea

its generally just a lot of

getting the feel for enemies and your melee weapon

[tardy ingot]

eh
If they wake up YOU will prob see it first. And you can ping
if they arent up you see all of them

but yeah it will still slow down the stealthing since that person isnt actively killing much

[sturdy glen]

imo the most important things are just, learn body multipliers and how much you need to charge your weapon for each one youre aiming for

because a dead enemy is a dead enemy

[icy nacelle]

Not to be rude to anyone, but I think a newbie is more likely to get hyperfocused on what the bio says than what they can actually see.

[supple scroll]

Because head and back multipliers both stack correct? Undercharging is something I haven't really tried. I always just fill charge to be safe

[icy nacelle]

I'm all too used to people (in varying games, not just GTFO Mind) who don't realise something is there and very much hostile until it's actively damaging them.

[tardy ingot]

true. People who play bio are also less likely to actively look at their surroundings. (you somewhat become dependent on it if you dont use your eyes)

Its definetly a ridicolusly strong tool, but being hyperfocused and dependent can always be an issue with it

Its rly noticeable whenever i did solo/duo after 4mans, or ditch the bio

the pinging alone being gone makes it more tense

[supple scroll]

Thanks for the input everyone! You've given me plenty to practice and think about

[icy cave]

No problem m8. every time

[distant citrus]

Is it possible to shoot a scout with two bullets fast enough to kill it without it screaming?

E.g. two revolvers to the head

[regal tendon]

Yes, I’ve done it. I haven’t done it with a revolver though. I forget which guns I’ve done it with.

[viscid wolf]

yis!

u can actually get all 6 shots into a scoot back to kill it

or 5

it dies either way

[earnest compass]

does the spear have to be fully charged to get a bonus to headshot damage? or does it scale from like 1.0 to 1.3 depending on charge? like half charge is 1.15 bonus?

[floral acorn]

afaik linear scaling, 90% charge is 90% dmg and multipliers apply

[icy cave]

The Spear is at it's best when in the trash. 😅

[violet jungle]

nah

spear is goated

[icy cave]

Man you like shotgun sentry AND Spear. tf is wrong with you m8?

[violet jungle]

who said i liked shotgun sentry

but i do like the spear

it's not even a bad weapon

people are just mad they can't sprint while charging it

[neon gust]

the benefits dont really compensate the upside

i would love to use spear more if it had a little bit of a buff

[violet jungle]

the spear is fine

[neon gust]

yeah its alright its usable

but i would like to see it buff hopefully in the future

[craggy pier]

more precision multiplier

[neon gust]

not too much tho, maybe a little bitty more range too

[minor fractal]

Scaling on all melee weapons for all stats is x^3

50% charge is 12.5% progression towards full charge damage.

This is why you need to 30% charge Strikers if you want the extra 0.4 damage for an occiput kill.

[strange arrow]

GTFO

!gtfo

!faq

[minor fractal]

該遊戲名為 GTFO，它並不代表 “Get The Fuck Out”，而是代表您想要完成 The Warden 的目標和 GTFO 的感覺。

[strange arrow]

The Warden xoxo

You eat the Warden for breakfast and gtfo

[craggy pier]

how about throw-able spears

[craggy pier]

do dead players/bots increase expedition scan progress?

[shrewd dirge]

no

[craggy pier]

well

desperate times call for desperate measures

thank you

[quaint geyser]

stupid question but is r7 the hardest?

I'm reset to R1 after the patch and it's pretty easy

[weary mesa]

No R5 is usually named the hardest rundown

[vital sierra]

imagine we have Alt R5 and we didn't feel the difficulty we have back then?

[weary mesa]

For the most part it'll be the same

Probably a bit easier because people will use the hel revo during it which wasn't in the original

Double hel kekW

[vital sierra]

hel rev was really strong

since it didn't get that much nerf

[pearl badger]

the nerf was basically a range nerf

but i feel its appropriate

[fierce nebula]

there's only so much 3 devs can do

[icy cave]

R5 is da hardesdt

[lunar otter]

Can we bring back the old combat music back please?

[sage belfry]

i hate R5 with a passion

[icy cave]

Love it

[glad pike]

I hate being a living skill issue

[craggy pier]

🤔

[orchid merlin]

Are shotgun sentries ever actually worth using?

or is burst and sniper just superior?

[vital sierra]

ye

[craggy pier]

Burst is meh, sniper sentry is the go to

[icy cave]

Shotgun is worth less than whatever is in the trashcan

[wary linden]

People think burst is meh lmao

[tardy ingot]

[craggy pier]

Its just fax

[dry pumice]

It's simply lame. Not weak, just lame. The carbine of tools.

[craggy pier]

The sniper or shotgun?

[dry pumice]

Burst

[craggy pier]

Carbine is cool 🤔

[dry pumice]

This emoticon bothers me.
I understand that it's supposed to be an omegalul, but it's drawn in such a way that it looks like shes moaning or crying

More like "omegadespair"

[craggy pier]

😂

[soft crater]

[fierce nebula]

LMAO

[tardy ingot]

[thorny creek]

[clever apex]

When will rundown 2 alt release?

[wary linden]

[insert timeframe here]

[craggy pier]

1̮͆̕ż̔̄/̈́͌͝1͋ͧ̊x̳ͪ͟/͑͋͏2ͥ̉̚0̷͕̈2̢ͤͥy̍̐̚

[winged turtle]

shouldn't be too long, but they have not made an announcement yet

[spark wolf]

thursday

[thorny creek]

Alt R2 will release when they fix the D1 overload bug

Which means in a Century

Time to go back to our Hydrostasis pods

[willow dragon]

ALTR2 will probably release in December before 10c goes on their "Well desereved" (not) vacation

[thorny creek]

Time to go back to R2D1 with stamina

[winged turtle]

🔥 🔥 BOOM GOTTEEEMMM 🔥🔥

[icy cave]

Man I admire your positivity

[bright plover]

Oh jeez I see the moans

[icy cave]

you need some girl in your life man.

[bright plover]

My god man, you woke up this morning and chose violence

[icy cave]

💪

[latent obsidian]

max aggression

[bright plover]

@icy cave invested all his perk points into damage

[icy cave]

Always strength builds in souls games

[tardy ingot]

strength first, ask questions later

[icy cave]

exactly

[dry pumice]

Strength is the Chad way, DEX is the optimal way

[tardy ingot]

Imagine not going 99 arcane

[latent obsidian]

rivers of blood user detected

[wooden osprey]

everyone having there cool builds and here i am a generalist having a bit of everything

[latent obsidian]

master of nothing 😦

I will admit to being a dex user

[winged turtle]

you're french, close enough right?

[wooden osprey]

i don't have to be

[winged turtle]

dex is the most fun!

but STR build feel the best

[wooden osprey]

its the biggest no meta you can give to a game

[latent obsidian]

I would expect dex to have interesting weapons

I was a bit disappointed in Elden Ring not having many specialised dex weapons til very late in the game

Lots of high str req stuff though

[wooden osprey]

sounds like a meta player issue

[latent obsidian]

I just specced dex and used what was fun 🤷‍♀️

[wooden osprey]

i mean fair use what you think is fun

after all i don't think any of those games have a right way to play

[craggy pier]

STR all the way

DEX is nice n all but raw power feelsgood

[latent obsidian]

I don't think you're really engaging with the game properly if you aren't rolling around for your life dodging attacks

and some playstyles avoid that

[craggy pier]

no dmg gmgow zeus set sigrun bossfight

[latent obsidian]

yes. words.

[wooden osprey]

i mean i never played any of the games so i don't know (tbh i didn't know we were talking about DS and Elden ring i was just talking about what i go for in most games )

if thats what we are talking about

[latent obsidian]

Thats what I interpreted it to be about

But I may have been wrong

[dry pumice]

Considering I've never seen another game with DEX - yes, it's most likely in soulsborne context.

Western developers settle for... Agility, yuck

[wary linden]

There are plenty of rpgs with a dex stat

Or even stuff like DnD

[winged turtle]

the OG still uses Dex

[icy cave]

M8

[winged turtle]

i am sorry 😭 i went too far, but i get protective over Hidoshi San!

[icy cave]

we invented love ffs

[winged turtle]

and i love that for you! we still need to import some of that to burger land

[icy cave]

Well when my wife and I go there, we'll bring some

[winged turtle]

if you go to the Southwest hmu, there are plenty of spots with food that is too good

(if you are visiting) weight gain in the US doesn't count 😂

[icy cave]

It won't be this year, but I'll keep it in mind

[lunar rain]

hey, just wanting to know some people opinions on whether they like the sniper or precision rifle more and if one is better than the other?

[neon gust]

Your comparing apples to oranges

[willow dragon]

Sniper is high damage, best used for Large enemies due to its low ammo count, still, you can kill a lot of giants with it if your aim is good.

Precision rifle is more if you want a long distance weapon for your special but you dont want to run dmr as your primary. its got good damage and can one tap strikers and shooters while also dealing with bigger enemies reasonably well. Plus it has thermal scope.

still, it isnt wise to "compare" them as they serve different roles. Its up to you. There isnt really a "bad weapon" in this game, every gun has its purpose and can be used in every level

Its more about personal preference, use what feels good to you

[mossy aurora]

Does anyone have any opinion on whether the scattergun or auto pistol is better?

[willow dragon]

Scatter pistol

[turbid horizon]

😳

[lunar rain]

Ok thank you

[ripe oar]

would be cool if you add a "gtfo-drip" text chanel where users share their in game drip

[silver fable]

completely different guns, built for completely different purposes

sniper rifle downs bigs (giants, hybrids) in 1 headshot and gets 3.6 rounds per refill

so you only want to hit bigs with it

precision rifle takes like 9 shots 10 shots (ty eva for the correction) to down a big, but headshots littles and gets 16 rounds per refill

precision rifle kinda wants to be used to off half a wave approaching from a distance, potentially through fog

a closer comparison for precisiomn rifle is the (special) revolver, since it gets similar ammo and does similar damage

[lunar rain]

Can the rifle one shot scouts ?

[silver fable]

that said, a recent patch nerfed precision rifle's clip size (12 -> 8), and there's a 10 business day turnaround on precision rifle reloads, so the revolver is in a better position currently

the precision rifle can headshot scouts, yes

[lunar rain]

Any where in the head or only in the back of the head ?

[silver fable]

that said, so can the choke shotgun, the pump shotgun, and the high cal pistol

anywhere

[lunar rain]

Cause I shot a scout with the sniper in the head and he just screamed

[silver fable]

...that shouldn't happen

[lunar rain]

Unless I hit his neck somehow

[silver fable]

sniper headshot on scout will massively overkill it

yeah a neckshot might just count as a standard hit, which will slightly underkill it

[lunar rain]

That’s prop what happened then

Well thank you for the comparison between them

I am still trying out different guns to see what I like and I am just trying to decide on a secondary

[silver fable]

probably the three specials I'd recommend as mainstays at the moment, are the veruta machine gun (for waveclear), pump shotgun (for close range damage and wavceclear), and choke shotgun (ranged damage)

the pump and choke shotty can deal with scouts, if you're not up to meleeing them yet

[lunar rain]

i got the pdw as a primary so far and i really like it

[silver fable]

pdw is fine

[lunar rain]

and shotguns are sort of hit or miss with me

[silver fable]

mostly you can't go wrong with mains

[lunar rain]

ya i noticed they are just kinda what the player likes

[silver fable]

the hel revolver and carbine are the busted ones, but otherwise yeah

the bullpup is a bit of a noob trap, also

[lunar rain]

carbine is the four round burst right?

[silver fable]

ya

[lunar rain]

ya that one was fun but for me i liked the thermal on the pdw its very handy for the fog levels

[silver fable]

pdw is definitely fine

its range isn't great, but very good hipfire and reload, and it gets lots of ammo

[lunar rain]

reload is very quick and you get like 400 rounds

[silver fable]

aim for the body with shotguns in this game, heads breaking cause pellets to not land

they'll both 1shot strikers with a hit reasonably close to center of mass

choke shotty you can basically treat like more of a marksman weapon, it has 15m range before dropoff (which is basically long range in gtfo) and the pellet spread is pretty tight

pump shotty wants to be used within ~5m, but carries unrivalled damage per clip, and is also a waveclear monster

[lunar rain]

i might have to give the shotguns a second chance now that i know to hit center of mass and not the head

[silver fable]

ya

oh, exception is scouts

since you were concerned about that

the shotguns require maybe half the pellets to land on a scout head to kill it?

scouts and shooters die if their heads pop, so you don't lose pellets there

[lunar rain]

so aim for the head for scouts and shooters and everything else just center of mass?

wait, never mind you answered that above i just didnt read it right

[silver fable]

you got it

can aim for bodies on shooters too

[gentle oracle]

can probably aim for headshots on shooters since they cant survive without their heads unlike strikers

[willow dragon]

Just hit the heads lmao, not that hard

I don't understand how you can miss with a shotgun

[ocean spindle]

idk with 10 fps its kinda hard to hit anythin but body

i came w/o context im probably horrificaly wrong

but i just saw that and i wanted to say sumn

[ancient solstice]

we are not taking dmg is that a bug or someone modded smth?

[vital sierra]

someone toggle, if everyone don't take damage

[ancient solstice]

whats toggle

[vital sierra]

like toggle on cheat

[mossy aurora]

can also happen with extreme desync to host

[ancient solstice]

nope we had 0 desync

[vital sierra]

he said: "we" so might as well

[ancient solstice]

but thx now i know

[keen coral]

Hey @shadow flower I don't know who to ask about dev questions, who should I ask

i mean about the game and like suggestions not like actual dev advice

[mossy aurora]

i remember when i thought game suggestions were a cool thing to have here

#gtfo-game-suggestions

[icy cave]

Save system is the worst thing that can be added to this game.

[keen coral]

Wym?

[icy cave]

Honestly when people ask for a save system in this game it shows that they have no clue: what this game is about and how this game work.

A save system would pretty much destroy the little retention this game has because the whole aspect of the game is about dying and improving yourself until you reach that understanding and skill to beat that hard level you've been stuck on for days.

Adding a save system just removes this core aspect

everyone just finishes the game in a week and the game dies out

And when it boils down to it: no level in this game takes more than 2 hours to complete. A save system (or even checkpoints 👀) are a ridiculous idea

[shadow flower]

Ask away and I'll answer if I can

[fierce nebula]

imagine instead of working to complete the game

we have it all completed already

and you get bored at the menu screen so you quit

2 / 10 idea

[tardy ingot]

„Reasonably well“ 💀
It cant even 1 mag a giant striker/charger from the front. And needs only headshots to do that vs hybrids or big shooters

its actually decent vs some more elite/boss enemys tho. Well moreso before the nerf

[icy cave]

Solo sniper holding hybrid Error on R6C2ex

[tardy ingot]

it actually takes 10 on giant strikers, 11 on bbcs

6 headshots for hybrids and big chickens

[tardy ingot]

hmm ?

Was talking about precision rifle there @icy cave

[icy cave]

ewwwww then nvm

[tardy ingot]

precision rifle is shit vs striker/charger giants rn

and its technically good vs hybrids and big shooters? as if you ever land 18 headshots tho

also takes ages to kill 3

since you need 2 reloads

[icy cave]

Just ditch it in the trash

[tardy ingot]

gun is vs smalls and then tank/mom (tho even nerfed for that)

[icy cave]

It was pretty good against tanks and moms yeah. but now .... should have nerfed it to 10 shots

[tardy ingot]

yeah. Or simply done the „less ammo efficiency“ shit by gaining less shots

[azure parcel]

I ahve a question im changing up my resolution and stuff because apperently that makes the game look better? but to what do i change it?

[tranquil beacon]

Is there any chance the GTFO will be on sale this black friday, i missed the last sale and greatly regretted it

[soft crater]

Probably.

But it's more likely to have a sale when Alt. R2 drops at my guess

[fierce nebula]

yeah it usually goes on sale during a new rundown or event

[tranquil beacon]

What the most discount the game has ever got?

[ocean spindle]

think 25% but i could be wrong

[dry pumice]

Seems right to me, yeah.

[tranquil beacon]

Aye, good enough. Better start saving up then, thank you guys

[fierce nebula]

ever since full release? yeah 25%

[night gale]

My friends and I have been trying hard to beat R7C3, but we don't know what to do once that yellow timer starts. We have made it to the armory, but we had stealthed through the parts before, and so when we tried to push back through, we got overwhelmed. Are we supposed to push back though that? Or just survive the 20 afterwards? I can move this to spoiler chat if this is a spoiler

[craggy pier]

you need to survive for 20 mins but not in the zone leading to the armory

[night gale]

So once we make it to the armory, it doesn't matter where we are, we just need to hold out?

Then we stealth back through to the other checkpoint

[icy cave]

You should clear the rooms while going to the armory

Then you need to rush back to the terminal zone and take the checkpoint door in the side area there.

Then it's pretty much pew pew pew till extraction if not doing overload

[night gale]

Oh, when does that checkpoint door open?

Is that during or after the 20 minutes

[icy cave]

When the armory timer ends. So just before the 20 min

[night gale]

Ohhh, damn, so if we make it back fast enough, we can just hit the checkpoint as the 20 minutes starts

[icy cave]

We waited 2 mins in front of the door 😅😅

But yes

[night gale]

Thats huge, thank you. We were having so much trouble figuring out where to go, lol.

[icy cave]

I mean I can DM a recording, but it is with overload included so not the exact way you guys have to do it

The armory part is the same tho

[silver fable]

fixed, ty

[craggy pier]

how is it bad vs strikers?

[dry pumice]

I think she meant big boys specifically.
PR is not very great against them because it pops their head and then has to bodyshot-grind through what's left of HP bar. They take like 6 shots kill, headshot included.

[craggy pier]

ah

[tardy ingot]

Giant strikers take 10