gtfo-related-questions

[latent obsidian]

or did they?

[tardy ingot]

hmm?

[icy cave]

If I count all my recs it's 2.5 hr

[fickle mulch]

they probably would have played r1 before

[tardy ingot]

2,5 hours is totally fine
We took 3 h 20 min with around 40 min break time total

its just when people start saying „only 1 hour or not even close to 2 hours“ that im like o.O

obviously with prior r1 playthroughs

[icy cave]

exageration

[latent obsidian]

people like to exaggerate and flex right

its just that

[tardy ingot]

ye

[icy cave]

altho D1 was sub 20 for us

[fickle mulch]

1 hour could be possible but like c1 would be the biggest factor

[tardy ingot]

D1 took 50 min for us

Someone had to go with his dog for like 20+ of those tho

[fickle mulch]

since it's like a forced 20+ minute expedition

[tardy ingot]

1 hour is definetly possible i think
Tho only if you legit do speedrun times

[icy cave]

C1 being biggest time sink indeed

[tardy ingot]

for sure

after that prob C2

its like r6 story% in a way

You could do the whole thing in sub 1 hour as a 4 man

[craggy pier]

since when is alt r1d1 a 20 min level

[latent obsidian]

its 3 alarms then you're pretty much done

[craggy pier]

idk why the side zones even exist

idk i pretty much first tried it with 13 mins boosterless

[tardy ingot]

and you get enough ressources to skip the side zones

[craggy pier]

yes

more than enough

[tardy ingot]

do it again and upload it to speedruns

[craggy pier]

why

it's pretty beatable in general

[tardy ingot]

i mean nearly all speedrun records are beatable (some are just harder to beat)

i think out of all the current speedruns (well with the side that you arent „allowed“ to redo the old ones) only r6c3 one is not beatable

eval aswell? not sure tho there

[craggy pier]

none of us are interested in it

[tardy ingot]

.

😐

[craggy pier]

i mean the ss is somewhere in media iirc if u don't believe lole

[tardy ingot]

For the first few seconds i was very confused on why the SS is hiding in the media

Then i realized you didnt mean the german history ss

[dry pumice]

That is one hell of a leap

[latent obsidian]

idk that channel can be a bit sussy

[dry pumice]

You did mention you're sick, right?

[tardy ingot]

yep

also german
So its not too much of a leap for me to think of that i think

[icy cave]

Makes it scarier actually

Have a sudden urge to surrender

[tardy ingot]

I mean i recently invaded denmark casually

might be connected

[icy cave]

Nah I'm planning on invading denmark in the summer

[dense delta]

does primary weapons and special weapons do stagger?

[dry pumice]

Yes, some more than others. Some of them exist to just stagger, acting as support weapons.

[dense delta]

Which are the best weapons to stagger?

[dry pumice]

Pfft... Fuck if I know. I think the main pistol (and revolver) do quite well at that. I also heard SMG does great here too, but can't vouch.

[mossy aurora]

Combat shotgun

[dense delta]

not the normal shotgun?

[mossy aurora]

Normal pump Shotgun is better used just killing things not necessarily to stagger

Hel shotgun also staggers incredibly well

[dense delta]

Also, tumors how do they work? are they a dmg multiplier?

Or are they used as a 2nd healthbar like tank where you have to pop 7 of his tumors to kill him

[ocean spindle]

tumors on the few enemies that do got em act more like, the only place to shoot
with those enemies not hittin em would just make em incredibly hard to kill

i guess u could say they r weak spots or dmg multipliers

[dense delta]

So you cant kill tank without killing all 7 tumors?

[ocean spindle]

i think you can, but would take a lot of ammo and time

maybe

[mossy aurora]

You can but it's not really something that's intended

With pellet and host/client interaction

[ocean spindle]

tumors arent as much as an option as much as just, the intended way to kill those

[dense delta]

yea i get it

still got one last question

[ocean spindle]

yeah

[mossy aurora]

Do you though

[dense delta]

on the fandom it has data on how much hp the tumors have

hmm how do I explain this

they say that tank tumors hp is 150 hp

Im just wondering if 150 hp is impacted by the tumor being a weakspot?

or if its already calculated

[mossy aurora]

No, the tumor has 150 HP, but the damage your gun does to the tumor is affected by its weak point multiplier and the guns precision multiplier

[dense delta]

Whats the weak point multiplier for tumors?

[craggy pier]

3x for dad

5x for mom

[dense delta]

dad is tank?

[mossy aurora]

Papa

Yes

[dense delta]

where do I see the guns precision multiplier?

nvm I see it

What does it mean though?

[mossy aurora]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[craggy pier]

if you hit tumor/head it will multiply the precision multiplier then the crit multiplier

[dense delta]

eh so a sniper shot on a tumor would do how much dmg?

[mossy aurora]

150

[dense delta]

the math is?

[mossy aurora]

You cannot over damage tumors except if you are using a pellet weapon and only if you are client

[craggy pier]

40 x 3/5 x 2

but damage exceed the tumor hp is wasted

[dense delta]

yea

40 dmg is raw dmg from sniper yea?

[craggy pier]

40.01 yes

[dense delta]

3/5 is what?

[craggy pier]

dad and mom tumor multi respectively

[dense delta]

yea and 2x is precision?

[craggy pier]

yes

[dense delta]

Is there something you have to do to get the precision multiplier?

or is it included in raw dmg

[mossy aurora]

It's in the Google doc I linked

[craggy pier]

you hit head

or tumor

[rain patio]

Do scout react to movement and sound or is it just their tentacles? I know flashlight only makes them tentacle more.

[tardy ingot]

Primary:
Pistol, staggers smalls and chargers with each bullet. Hel revo and dmr do the same (tho they have less ammo)
Hel shotgun (insane aoe stagger) especially with its pierce

Special:
Combat shotgun. Same as hel shotgun just with no pierce
the combat shotgun is technically a good choice to stagger big enemys as even a body shot on giants will make them stagger.

[ocean spindle]

walkin crouchin doesnt do nothin
runnin will make it go e x t e n d
gunshots or enemies awake will make it go _ **a **_
sometimes dropin or jumpin ive seen it makes em extend too but not sure about that one
and bonkin too close makes it alert too if i recall

those were all the things i could think of

[rain patio]

Thanks

[mossy aurora]

Walking uncrouched near them makes them extend faster I thought

[tardy ingot]

walking/dropping (this also comes from jumping) makes them go trigger tentacles quicker

im not sure if crouching VERY close (like 1 m) does too

[tardy ingot]

yep

[rain patio]

And one bonk to their head kills them front or back right?

[tardy ingot]

iirc it just exchanges the normal soft trigger of movement (aside from sprint) to quicker tentacles

[tardy ingot]

hammer/spear = front
Knife/bat = back

(Of head)

[rain patio]

Cool beans, I only use hammer

Started out with spear but I was told that the range of it can throw off learning distancing

[tardy ingot]

Sledge supremacy (tbf im a maul mafioso)

spear also has next to no advantage but the range

[ocean spindle]

idk for big mamalambas its the glory, i think it has a lil more damage, and for general quiet zones were the goal is to not wake anything up, its really useful

[tardy ingot]

it has 2,5 less base dmg than hammer (20 to 17,5) for a better precision multi

the multi doesnt matter tho in any important calc. It just makes it worse otherwise

[mossy aurora]

Spear only really had an advantage when your melee skills are not that good

[ocean spindle]

i wonder
think ive read once in the wiki that three hits to a mamalamba on the back would "kill" it but leave it on less than one health

maybe the spear does, it?

[tardy ingot]

Mamalamba?

[ocean spindle]

big guy

sorry

thats what i call em

[tardy ingot]

big striker?

[ocean spindle]

yeah

[tardy ingot]

theres a „bug“ about it. But you can simply hit the head from behind and it wont happen

Spear actually NEEDS to hit the head for it to kill in 3 hits

Objectively spear is worse in so many aspects

Its still useable and can be a person favourite. But most often it just feels like a crutch for newer players to learn melee scouts and giants

[rain patio]

I've seen them do good as the first hit on back of head for big bois

[ocean spindle]

i dont like the use of objectively but i guess ur right

[mossy aurora]

He's right though

[ocean spindle]

yeah

[mossy aurora]

Can't sprint with it, longer charge up, less base damage

[tardy ingot]

i mean i actually try to go over situations where stuff has uses and where 1 would give you an advantage quite often

Thats how fn and me went over the highcal and choke mod debate (pre nerf)

[rain patio]

Didn't the choke mod get buffed?

[tardy ingot]

Well yeah
Extra 8,25 dmg. Doesnt actually matter tho. The only advantage is that it makes a 3 hit solo kill possible from behind

[tardy ingot]

high cal pre nerf (recent patch)

it was an r7 comparision

[rain patio]

Ah so they nerfed the high cal

[tardy ingot]

yep
Less dmg (30->25), 1,7 more bullets per refill. More (useless) max range til no dmg fall off

[rain patio]

I've mostly been alternating between machine gun and choke mod. If it's a high light/low fog area I'll do bullpup or carbine with choke mod, if lights are low I'll do PDW with machine gun.

[tardy ingot]

Made it far worse vs chargers. Worse vs bigs, worse vs shooters and slightly better vs flyers and strikers (and babies i guess lol)

bullpup : |

man i wish that gun didnt have a shit reload

[rain patio]

I've gotten good results with animation cancel

[ocean spindle]

didnt the bullpup had no anim cancel?

havent used it a lot

idk

[tardy ingot]

yeah theres none afaik

[mossy aurora]

Yeah the more range with the damage nerf didn't make sense

[tardy ingot]

the issue is. It wasnt even a base range buff… it still starts at 8 meters

[mossy aurora]

Really? That's even more useless

[rain patio]

The thing with the reload is that people try to engage close range with bullpup. I treat it more like a rapid fire DMR, medium to long range only.

If they get close that's when I pull out the choke mod

[tardy ingot]

fn did a write up of it on reddit

its straight up a nerf vs most important things. Obviously still useable. Especially in easier tiers. But so wack

@rain patio i mean choke mod has more range than bullpup (or just as much) iirc

meanwhile dmr has like 5 times of both. (Also better dmg profile while having a good reload cancel)

[rain patio]

I have shit aim so

DMR is wasted on me

[ocean spindle]

same

[tardy ingot]

i mean bullpup needs just as good aim

[rain patio]

For some reason I can do better with bursts from auto weapons compared to single shots.

[tardy ingot]

i mean i understand that

[rain patio]

I just noticed this the other day when I was playing MW2, I was consistently doing a lot better with the G3 compared to M14

I was trying to do M14 to unlock the full auto version of it

[tardy ingot]

also dw, while i think bullpup is the worst current primary, its still perfectly useable. I just am a very numbers interested person.

[rain patio]

How's carbine in terms of pure numbers?

[tardy ingot]

didnt check the new numbers yet (am on vacation)

But it was good in r7 already and only got buffed more…

its definetly overbuffed (like the veruta machine gun)

tho then again. We also have hel revolver

[rain patio]

I'm gonna try the carbine out more, haven't really gotten too much of a feel with it

[tardy ingot]

Biggest buff to carbine ever was being able to shoot smash locks with 1 burst

speedrun buff

[rain patio]

Honestly, just playing the game for more drip at this point

[tardy ingot]

im a lemon and have been since i got the lemon head

tho i did change into plant backpack

[rain patio]

I wanna get the convex helmets and the robot hand

[dense delta]

Whats the stagger dmg for Snatchers?

[craggy pier]

40

[tardy ingot]

Choke mod go brrrr

[dense delta]

Does prisoner efficiency mean something or? Does it give you an award?

[lost flame]

It's doing the main, side objective and overload in a single run

Getting PE can give additional drip or progression towards it

[tardy ingot]

it cant. Sadly

it gives you the extra (final) completion mark for a level

also is a unique way to complete it

[rain patio]

Probably gonna run some more GTFO after dinner. Should I do R7D1 or C2 and 3 first?

[tardy ingot]

and WAS a requirement to unlock levels in r4 and r5

[lost flame]

Id say go for d1, at least before c3, as I'd personally consider c3 to be vastly more difficult than d1

[tardy ingot]

c2pe is best level of those

[rain patio]

Fellow SCP fan I see

[glad grove]

Is the best melee just the hammer?

[lost flame]

🤝 fellow stepping into the sun enjoyer

[dry pumice]

Yep, that's pretty much how its supposed to be used.

Its like youre playing COD again

[tardy ingot]

yes

[rain patio]

Yes

[tiny tundra]

Hammer is the best all in one yes but all are usable imo

[rain patio]

[lost flame]

It's a jack of all trades, it doesn't exceed in anything but it's very good in everything

[dry pumice]

Unfortunately yes.

[tardy ingot]

i mean Hammer definetly excells in multiple things

[rain patio]

My hammer experience

[dry pumice]

Dagger is great to quickly kill multiple small targets, but the second you see a big boy your drop your hands and leave, or call your big brothers

Bat is basically funny dagger that breaks locks in 1 hit and can stunlock anything

[tiny tundra]

Hammer can solo giants what

[dry pumice]

Spear is... Uh...

[rain patio]

There was one person yesterday running hammer that did speedruns, and omfg I've never seen someone killing faster than knife with hammer but it somehow happened

[dry pumice]

Basically its comfortable. That extra range makes lot of things just... Easier, i guess?

[tiny tundra]

Oh I read dagger as stagger for hammer I'm sorry lol

[dry pumice]

But you can't sprint while charging, so you are forced into defensive position.

[tardy ingot]

oh someone posted a speedrun video where?

[dry pumice]

Instead of going WAAAAAAAGH on a striker you patiently let him come to you and then pierce his face

[rain patio]

Nah they just joined our game. We were just doing R1D1 for fun

It was Icey I think their name was?

[lost flame]

Fun fact about the hammer too for newbies, a jab 1shots shooters to the back of the head

[dry pumice]

like a quick jab or

[lost flame]

Uncharged yes

[tardy ingot]

Things hammer is the best at

• quickest to break doors
• only weapon to front 1 shot strikers into the body
• best 1 hit stagger on full charge
• only weapon to run kill scouts from the front
• only weapon to kill giant strikers/chargers with 3 normal back hits
• 1 taps shooters to back of head (tied with bat)

[lost flame]

Oh yeah

[tardy ingot]

Doesnt ring any bells

hmm havent been active this last week tho (due to again… vacation)

[dry pumice]

Tfw you need nerfhammer but you only have hammer

[tardy ingot]

speedrunning is pog tho

[rain patio]

Somehow they were clearing rooms solo no stealth with bonking

[tardy ingot]

oh thats a pretty basic skill from older times ._.

[rain patio]

I got the game 7 days ago :c

[tardy ingot]

kiting was „meta“ back in r4 and 5

[rain patio]

Nah they were clearing before any even fully woke up

[tardy ingot]

lot to learn you still have (and lots of fun)

oh i read „no stealth“

you mean quick stealth

[rain patio]

I've done all of R1 and I've only got C2,3 D1,2 and E1 left on R7

[tardy ingot]

youve done the PE on B3 aswell?

[rain patio]

Yeah, they were running around the room, and killing as they were waking up

Yah

[tardy ingot]

nice

[rain patio]

Spent 3 1/2 hours on that last night

[tardy ingot]

It only gets better

[rain patio]

Lost like 10 runs on the extract portion lol

[tardy ingot]

youll have fun on c2 and c3 then

[rain patio]

Oh no

[tardy ingot]

ah shit, i wanted to recommend you a speedrun. But you probably havent seen D2 yet right?

[rain patio]

Oh wait I've done C2 already

Nah

[tardy ingot]

c2pe?

[rain patio]

Yeah

[tardy ingot]

i love that level

ending is very well made imo

[rain patio]

But it was mostly 2 people that knew what they were doing, and me and another newbie screaming as we had no idea what was happening

[tardy ingot]

XD

[rain patio]

Literally a clip of me during C2PE

[tardy ingot]

its certainly a different experience learning the level yourself vs the panic run with experienced players

[rain patio]

[tardy ingot]

biggest question tho

have you cleared EVAL?

[rain patio]

What's EVAL?

[tardy ingot]

Oh sry

„Training“

[rain patio]

Oh yeah

[tardy ingot]

frick that name change

i could meme so much with EVA L

(see my name)

[rain patio]

Did it cause my buddy got me into the game, I was waiting for him to shower and he suggested I do the tutorial first

[tardy ingot]

i ran that level several hundred times and struggled a lot love hate relationship

[rain patio]

ngl I was stupid the first time I did it and picked up my sentry before the extract and went down lol

[naive lichen]

where were the shadows in c2? i never saw them

[craggy pier]

3rd ventilation initiation

[distant gate]

did they fix r7 d1 yet?

[craggy pier]

Fix what exactly

[weary mesa]

The overload command

[craggy pier]

Oh

I've only had that issue once

Cuz I've only Played d1 4 times

[marsh epoch]

Does anybody know if they're ending the game at R8?

[fickle mulch]

well its complicated

they confirmed the current story ends (schaeffer and shit) in r8

but also that there could be more stories afterwards

this was a bit ago iirc when r1 alt was announced

since then, they've heavily implied that r8 is planned to be the last periodt

[strange zephyr]

For rundown 7 between C2 C3 and D1 how would you rank them amongst each other difficultly wise

[viscid wolf]

including optionals?

main: D1 -> C2 -> C3
optional: D1 -> C2 -> C3

o

it dont matter

nvm

[sage harness]

As a new player should I start with R7 or R1? I would assume R7 since R1 is a redo of the OG R1 in essentially a hard mode?

[dusty perch]

would say start with r1 its easyer imo

[jagged shore]

R7A1 is an easier first level I think but after that r1 is probably better, just know that you won't see checkpointa in r1

[distant gate]

dont need checkpoint in r1 too ez

[minor fractal]

AltR1 is basically the same as OG R1 (and is thus very easy).

[shrewd dirge]

For a variety of reasons, start on r1, clear it or get hardstuck, then go r7.

[craggy pier]

what are the differences? I never played original r1

[vital sierra]

not much

[jagged shore]

from what i can tell just slightly different level layouts

[cobalt pollen]

they throw in hybrids and level layouts

[vital sierra]

we can say different level layout is a feature because it tied into the lore

[solemn flint]

i have a question?, which is harder, R7C3 PE or R7B3 PE

[mossy aurora]

C3

[icy cave]

Def C3PE

[icy cave]

R1 is waaaaay easier.

[craggy pier]

R1 is extremely easy

[void aurora]

in R7B3 should i do the overload before or after the main objective (im playing solo)

[icy cave]

Before

you'll have to deal with it until extraction anyways

[void aurora]

oh swell, a horde spawns when i grab it

is it endless

[vital sierra]

yes

[craggy pier]

why are you doing solo if you've never done it before

[void aurora]

i mean seemed faster to do it myself but this ending sounds tough

[glad pike]

How else are you gonna start soloing?

[craggy pier]

by learning the level first lmao

[void aurora]

getting a group of randoms together seemed lengthy

[craggy pier]

are you playing solo or solo with bots

[void aurora]

bots, i did R1 just me and them and it was fine, R7 is proving more difficult

[craggy pier]

r1 is infinitely easier than r7

the entirety of r1 is like r7 B tier main

good luck with R7, you'll definitely need real players to beat some of those levels

[void aurora]

i found that out yesterday

[craggy pier]

or be a chad and prove me wrong ;3

idek if E1 is actually possible with bots

I feel like they'd just feed pablo

[icy cave]

Not without abusing some mechanics

[craggy pier]

like door bugging pablo I'd imagine

[icy cave]

Use the LFG channels m8 group in a couple of minutes

[icy cave]

Nah T-nenpi did it legit.

[craggy pier]

he did solo, not solo with bots

[icy cave]

But he had to stack shooters

to spawn block

[icy cave]

Fair

[craggy pier]

I haven't tested but I assume that the bots just kill themselves on pablo making the team scan impossible

[icy cave]

Man R7 is gonna eat you up . R1 is sadly not an indication of how hard this game can be (and actually R7 is not as well 😅)

[craggy pier]

atleast it's harder than R6

[icy cave]

IMO in R7 D1 and upward show us clearly that the game is not meant to be done with bots

[icy cave]

What isn't 😅

[craggy pier]

R1 LMAO

[icy cave]

R1 and R3 fair

[craggy pier]

rank the rundowns by difficulty, I havent played most of them

[icy cave]

From most difficult to least: R5 -> R4-> R7 -> R2 ->R6 ->R3->R1

[craggy pier]

cool

ty

[icy cave]

R2 starts very easy tho. So Switching R6 and R2 is fine they are both around that mid

[fierce nebula]

nah R1 is the hardest

[lost flame]

That is subjective I suppose, as I would argue the hardest r1 level is somewhat easier than r7c1

[tardy ingot]

i mean R1D1 is probably the hardest r1 level right?

That level is definetly easier than pretty much half of r7

[lost flame]

Yea I'd say d1 is r1's hardest level

[gentle tendon]

I think with the nerfed shadows C1/C2 are much harder

[lost flame]

C1 is a pushover by jack-sparrowing it, and c2 is, well, it is

[tardy ingot]

C1 just needs 3 sentrys and a bio to become pure easy

C2s alarms are just way to easy imo. D1 lacks stealth trouble outside the 1 zone with 2 scouts, but then again so does C2

[fierce nebula]

legit any loadout works as long as everyone knows the level layout

[fresh helm]

So far I only got PE on R7C3 once though. It is a bitch. R7C2 not once yet. Might just be the teams./

[icy cave]

It might yes.

[junior jackal]

bots are op in R1

[tacit zealot]

c2 has good last alarm but too bad no error

[fierce nebula]

cause R1 is stupidly easy

you can finish each level in like 10-20mins

[strange zephyr]

I’m assuming that’s D1 is the hardest of the 3. Not the easiest?

[latent obsidian]

I think D1 might be the easiest tbh

[vital sierra]

D1 is a really good/chill level that got plague with bugs

D1 overload would just turn the level from 40 minutes to 1 hour 30 minutes max. So it's between C2 and C3 for difficulty

[icy cave]

D1 (even with ovl) is easier than both C2PE and C3PE

[craggy pier]

how would 1 snatcher per 4 mins turn a 40 min level into a 1 h 30 min

[vital sierra]

depend on people you play with

but let's get that out of the way

since 1 snatcher spawn every 4 minutes, you could either hammer the snatcher or shoot it

shoot it will be faster but waste resources

hammer it will be longer but save resources

[craggy pier]

is it really wasting when you're saving time

that's like saying using bullets or tool is wasting

[vital sierra]

well, it's between saving time and wasting time

and for average player, the time to beat the level with overload would be between 1 hour to 1 hour 30 minutes

[icy cave]

We had enough resources even with shooting snatcher boi

[vital sierra]

yes

[latent obsidian]

I've never hammered a snatcher

[craggy pier]

i really don't see it being 1 hour

[latent obsidian]

I probably never will

[vital sierra]

yes, you

[fierce nebula]

it's a easy level

[vital sierra]

1 hour and 30 minutes isn't that long

[icy cave]

1 hr 18 min. But we wiped once on last code. so it can be shorter

[craggy pier]

my best run was 30 mins

we just do both class x

[vital sierra]

"best run"

[craggy pier]

even just doing error then class x, average is 40 to 50

[icy cave]

Nah we did everything. Even did both daddy and mommy zone

So it can be wayyyyyy shorter

[vital sierra]

so you should apply that to average player?

[craggy pier]

yes

[vital sierra]

damn, is that you badger

[icy cave]

it is !

[vital sierra]

im a little dumb

but idk if he got another account banned or not

[icy cave]

he collecting them

[latent obsidian]

I always think there are so many elitists

Its actually mostly just one guy I guess

[vital sierra]

well ye

he got 7 account ban

so you can say 1 of us have 10 accounts ready to go

[latent obsidian]

If he has so many accounts...

maybe one of us is also badger...

[icy cave]

so he does not feel alone

[vital sierra]

it's like naruto playing card with himself (clones)

[neon gust]

it could be in this very room

it could be you, it could be me! it could shotgun blast to the face

[craggy pier]

classic 🥹

[neon gust]

if you say into the mirror "badger badger its that you" he will appear under you bed at night

[latent obsidian]

and complain to you about how easy R7E1 is until you are driven insane

[vital sierra]

he'll show up and solo hammer snatcher for you

[icy cave]

ugh

[neon gust]

"djdna djdna its that you"

[icy cave]

night of your life m8

[neon gust]

tempting me like that should be ilegal

😏

[craggy pier]

yea i solo hammer snatcher

one day i'll get perfect back multi and make the takedown around 50s

[tardy ingot]

Heya, anyone got a clean Alt R1A1 map?

nvm found one

[craggy pier]

LOL so thats what happened. I did E1 with him in this server and then I found him on his main in my server and asked why 2 accounts and no answer.

Why did he get banned?

[icy cave]

He played a stupid game with the mods and lost

[craggy pier]

LOL

that's great

[waxen jetty]

Honestly a hero

[craggy pier]

He helped me clear E1 god bless.

I can't even remember what his alt was and even if I did I wouldn't tell anyone.

[spark wolf]

hes just like kaneki fr!

[waxen jetty]

???

[tacit zealot]

He’s Chinese and got banned for Xenophobia

Pretty stupid and doesn’t make sense

[minor fractal]

General:
-A large portion of tiles are different or in a strange order, but the map "feel" is largely preserved, especially when the tiling was particularly memorable.
-For some reason, there are no fog repellers on any of the levels.
B2:
-The key to z19 has been moved from z17 to z18.
-The low chance of scouts in z18, z20, z21, z22, and z23 has been changed to a guaranteed scout in z20 and z21.
-There is an extra wave on extraction when you reach the scan.
C1:
-Hybrids spawn on later waves.
C2:
-Less giants and more smalls in z91.
-Instead of spawning chargers in place of strikers via populations, they've simply mixed regular and charger groups in z94, z98, and z99.
-z92 isn't strikers only (by virtue of the above).
-The alarms for z90 and z94 have been upgraded to class III from class II.
D1:
-The alarm for z70 has been made a class V up from a class IV, and now spawns a significant number of giants.
-The alarm for z71 now has slightly longer scans and can spawn hybrids.
-There is an extra scout (2 total) in z70.

[tacit zealot]

Zayumm

[craggy pier]

Appreciate it boss

Also drg player nice

[minor fractal]

We'll all be moving on to new games soon enough.

Also, DRG is just really good.

[craggy pier]

I just started yesterday

Its good fun

I only played scout to far

If I have to choose between grapple hook or no grapple hook thats kinda no brainer

[weary mesa]

Certified kiter

[neon gust]

lemme coom on the parasites

and succ em off

[azure parcel]

Whats the difference between R1 and R7

[craggy pier]

r1 is the introduction to the game as its the easiest and newbie friendly

[icy cave]

first chapter, chapter 7

see it like that

[lost flame]

r7 has more levels, longer levels, checkpoints, more variety in map layout and enemies and probably a thing or two more

oh yeah like frog repeller said before, r7 is also harder

but not in the way that R1D1 is easier than R7A1

[icy cave]

and not by a small margin

[fierce nebula]

least sus GTFO player

[rain patio]

About how long does R7D1 take?

[craggy pier]

if doing main only and reducing the alarm about 1hour+

if overload 1.5+

[rain patio]

Any fart fog or normal fog?

[craggy pier]

normal fog

[rain patio]

Thanks

Trying to see if I can squeeze D1 in before dinner

[craggy pier]

np

if its the first time then maybe takes more time

[fierce nebula]

thought you were someone else cause your pfp lmao

[rain patio]

lol

[craggy pier]

as long as you not doing overload u can take a pause if your teammates are fine with it

[rain patio]

Problem is I'm trying to do Overload

[craggy pier]

i wouldnt recommend if you dont know the level

[rain patio]

So if you do only one objective at a time i.e. main, secondary, do you get one apparel item each time?

I need the drip

[craggy pier]

yes but secondary and overload milestones were removed

only mission clears

r2 should have plenty of drip

[rain patio]

But say you do it with secondary one time and overload another time, do you get new apparel?

[craggy pier]

yes

but not currently

[rain patio]

Ah alright. So it's worth just doing all the objectives in one run?

[craggy pier]

if you wanna get the prisoner efficiency badge yes

flex type of deal

[rain patio]

Cool beans, I only have C3 PE left

[craggy pier]

c3pe gon be fun

[rain patio]

Like fun fun or getting rammed in the butt fun?

[craggy pier]

rammed in the butt fun

[rain patio]

[craggy pier]

its quite the experience

[rain patio]

I'll save that for tomorrow then, I got work tomorrow and I usually have quite a few drinks if it's rammed in the butt levels

Is D2 also a rammed in the butt?

[craggy pier]

no d2 is short fun shooty shooty bang bang

[rain patio]

I'll probably do that after dinner then, I don't think I'm ready for E1

Especially with the invincible fuck

[craggy pier]

e1 is fun minus baby sitting

[rain patio]

How do you even deal with that?

[craggy pier]

baby sit him for a while

make sure he's nicely fed and tucked in

[rain patio]

So just have one guy kite him while the rest do the mission?

[craggy pier]

yes

he will be gone before the reactor part so you can do that in peace

but he returns toward the end for the pickle

[weary mesa]

You can do the first part fast and not have anyone deal with the immortal until you have to set up for commence_scan

[median forge]

You know what I’d be okay if your character had a medal displayed on them for every PE/rundown you’ve beat

Optional of course

In case the drip is horrendous

[craggy pier]

i do want pe badge

[rain patio]

I remember D1 now

Overload is so painful

[craggy pier]

yeah thats why you wanna have enough time or at least competent teammates

or bots if you wanna quadruple the pain

[rain patio]

Yeah I'm gonna try again after din din

We also had the 3 snatcher on the run so it was very bad anyway

[craggy pier]

good times await

[rain patio]

Has anybody ever managed to kill Pablo? I know he has around 1 billion health

[craggy pier]

if cheats maybe 😏

[craggy pier]

How do I get a bot to switch a medpack for a tool kit pack?

they wont

meds are high priority

they all have meds

and its a 4 use

big rip

oof

[winged turtle]

don't worry, as soon as someone goes to 78% health, a bot a will stop shooting and start using a medpack on you. causing a chain reaction of not-enough-people-shooting into less people shooting 😃

bot can * be good

but they are not good

[buoyant skiff]

How/Where do you find reactor start up code/s for R1C1?

[vital sierra]

there is a big text in the middle of your screen saying the code is: ....

[buoyant skiff]

bruh

thank

you

[craggy pier]

Is a black square slowly filling up your screen a feature?

[turbid horizon]

no it's a bug, you just have to wait

[craggy pier]

How long?

[turbid horizon]

it should go away in at most 10 minutes

longest I've ever seen

[craggy pier]

Alright thanks.

[winged turtle]

and in my 200 hours, I've gotten it five-ish times, and they last about three minutes on average

[pearl badger]

it never occurred to me

[winged turtle]

jelly

[fierce nebula]

wish I had eyes

[shadow gull]

Wondering waht people are confused about with the lore of GTFO and want it explained I wanted to make a new video but im confused as to what i want to make it about.

[fierce nebula]

have the title be "a comprehensive look at the GTFO lore"
then the thumbnail with you pogging while a striker twerks their phat booty

[shadow gull]

yes but what is the topic of teh video?

[violet jungle]

what the fuck

[shadow gull]

true

[void aurora]

where do i get the room code if i want to host a game

[violet jungle]

if you host a game in the lobby it should give you a prompt to copy the lobby id
if ur in a game already it should be in settings

[vital sierra]

#how-to-matchmake

[fierce nebula]

it would be the left of the lobby screen

or right

I haven't played since R1

[icy cave]

On the right of the lobby. Red box says : copy lobby ID

[fierce nebula]

when is GTFO getting ray tracing

[lost flame]

Yes.

[icy cave]

I did not know @minor fractal was that much involved with the devs 🤔

[willow dragon]

He broke in and stole their specs for the revolver

[swift patrol]

Hey all, is there any lore for me to know proir to starting R7?

[wary linden]

Technically yes. Does it matter much NO

The 2 men screaming in your ears have had some references in the past but Schafer has been talking to "us" since r4

And it aint much

[fierce nebula]

it wouldn't affect gameplay at all
and yeah it's not like the lore is deep anyway

[winged turtle]

The current lore level is a proximately dark souls 1, and therefore is completely optional, and completely missable

[craggy pier]

cant have it unless you dig for it

[swift patrol]

ty <3

[winged turtle]

"Was it you who rang the reactor of awakening?"

pMom is just Gwynevere

cmv

[craggy pier]

wat

[winged turtle]

what other monster in GTFO has those
C U R V E S

[dry pumice]

Humanity is dead.
We are brainwashed convicts following orders of a hacked / hijacked AI that does Lord knows what with no obvious end goal.
Mr Schaeffer was like us, but broke his programming and is now actively trying to "overthrow" the Warden.

[craggy pier]

yes

[swift patrol]

[fierce nebula]

we aren't even convicts anymore
more like imprisoned heros

[bleak osprey]

Can you ping artifacts in the terminal?

[craggy pier]

no but you can ping with middle mouse

[dry pumice]

Nope, they don't even show up on the room LIST commands. They can only be found manually.
Long Range Flashlight is great for it, something about it causes artifacts to flare up very well and you can't miss em.

[bleak osprey]

Ah alright. Thank you!!!

[violet jungle]

no one is truly a hero

[fierce nebula]

I'm 14 and this is deep

[winged turtle]

hey hey people who solo w/ bots is this a good enough load out for all three? @craggy pier @neon gust
Load out recs:
Bots: Hel Rev, Mach Gun, Hammer, turrets

[neon gust]

I dont solo with bots

Give them all ar and whatever mg of your choosing

1 bot biotracker

You good to go

[craggy pier]

give them machineguns and pdw and for tools bio and sniper sentries and you get mine for yourself

[winged turtle]

so, if you want to lab stealth scout attempts R7B1 is your man.

you stealth kill the first zone (Zone88), you do an alarm for one of the locked zones (Zone_89 & Zone_90) and WithOut Opening That Door, you do the second alarm door as well. BEFORE you open any Security doors, and after both alarms, you go to the console and "List Key" and then you "Query Key_color_123" to find out which of the two security doors you open.
You then open the security door that has the key in it and you stealth into that room. Without killing the scout you get the key. then you push forward into Zone_91. This zone will have three rooms and one scout total. Kill the scout if you have to but leaving it untouched is good for practice with this loop. The security door is to Zone_92, once you get there, you have a check point.
Once you finish that check point scan you can stealth attempt 2-3 scouts in a row behind you. If you botch it, and wipe, you just get sent back to the checkpoint. If you succeed, you can just shoot the bots and take fall damage to reset to checkpoint and try again!

Set up takes me a little less than 10 minutes, and then I can get 3 scout attempts within 5 minutes without reload screens.

Load out recs:
PC: Any, Any, Hammer, Bio
Bots: PDW, Mach Gun, Hammer, turrets

[craggy pier]

ar and bullpup works well but they perform best with pdw

[winged turtle]

okay, how do we feel about this write up? i am looking for punch ups

[craggy pier]

thats good

[winged turtle]

changed bots from Ar to PDW

cool, copypasta created

[craggy pier]

you trying to solo with bots?

[winged turtle]

no no, just give aspiring players a guide for practicing and demystifying Scouts

[craggy pier]

you shouldnt tell them to avoid scouts then

they need to learn to take em out

[winged turtle]

right right, this is a guide to hit a check point, and have 2-3 you can run at in a row. wipe, then jump right back into it

[craggy pier]

ah i see

well they also need to get used to the restarting from 0 taste

[winged turtle]

but also they need enough confidence and comfort with the game that a full wipe makes them realize how close they are, instead of how far they have to go

imho

[craggy pier]

fair enough

my views are different cuz i main bots 🤷‍♂️

so i got to be good or go home

[winged turtle]

and learning is a third option that i recommend to as many folks as i can 😅

[craggy pier]

they'll get there

one way or another

[winged turtle]

🤣 not if they go home

[craggy pier]

🤣

[spark lantern]

Does the sniper only one shot giants if you hit them in the back of the head?

[craggy pier]

it 2 shots them regardless of where it hits

[jagged shore]

wait sniper? or sniper sentry

[craggy pier]

oh

he prolly meant the kooning

🤐

[jagged shore]

if you mean the gun, headshot from any direction works
if sniper sentry, then doesn't matter, sentries don't have back damage iirc

[tardy ingot]

Köning

[craggy pier]

Im never good with names 😅

[fierce nebula]

kooming*

[honest lion]

Can I ask, does bio scan speed stack between players? say everyone have 10% bio scan speed booster. Does it add up to 40%?

[quasi cypress]

Hey guys I'm really new to the game.
I've been using thermal weapons because it seems to make a lot of sense for stealth, but I also often find myself using a bioscanner, so I'm wondering if it's really worth it to even have a thermal weapon if I can already track enemies with ease?

[icy cave]

Thermals are a fun plus. Both thermals and bio are not necessary per se. It just makes your life easier. Later on it will be more helpfull tho

[wooden nest]

i can't change my weapons in the lobby, this a bug?

[silver fable]

yes, that's probably a bug

can't tell you that I'm familiar with this particular bug though

I'd just restart game I guess

not sure what other options you have

[silver fable]

pdw is independently a pretty strong main, so it's not like bringing the thermal main is gimping you too much in other capabilities

though hel revolver and carbine are widely regarded as the strongest mains

precision rifle is a pretty weak special after the mag capacity nerf

experienced players get good at seeing ||shadows || and dealing with fog in various ways even without thermals (they were new to rundown 7 so obviously we can do without), and that does widen your options for guns

it's good to be in a habit of bringing bio, and it does lessen the advantage of thermals

the other tools are very strong (with the exception of shotgun sentry), but keeping multiple tools (especially multiple sentries) fed can chew through tool refill, and the bio information is often very useful in combat

[icy cave]

Potential spoiler tho

[silver fable]

was under the impression that gtfo-related-questions was a spoilers-allowed zone

but sure, I'll spoiler-tag

[icy cave]

Dunno m8 was just saying

[silver fable]

fair

[near blade]

anyone got extreme game lag at R7B3

like most lv got 150-160fps that lv like 30fps below and really high latency

[fierce nebula]

dude you have you spoiler your messages

[near blade]

what need to spoiler tag

[tardy ingot]

wat

[near blade]

wait sr wrong sever

[quasi cypress]

Wait so is carbine/Hel revolver better than bullpup?

Cause I decided to just use no thermals anyway and I found Bullpup/Sniper worked extremely well.

Honestly made the game feel extremely easy

I like bio scanner the most, since I think it's easily the most useful. Makes for easy stealth segments, and if I screw up and upset the entire hoard I noticed I can tag every single enemy that's coming which is unspeakably nice because you can see where everything is and how many. Radar through walls is a GOD SEND.

Anyway I've been equipping my bots with the machine gun turrets and the C-Foam launcher for the delay/kill combo

[tardy ingot]

way way way better

bullpup and hel revo have the same base reload speed (well nearly, 2.4 sec to 2.3) but hel revo reload can be shortened by over a second pretty much.
theres also other stuff that goes into it. But dw too much, bullpup might be "the worst" main but its still completely useable and if you like it thats perfectly fine

[quasi cypress]

I mean I'll certainly give it a shot since I dont know much about the guns

[tardy ingot]

also yes bio tracker is rly rly strong
the bots technically cheat when pinging, but you lose out on the stealth a bit.
(btw if you use cfoam id always take mines to cfoam doors and mine them).

[quasi cypress]

(no pun intended)

[tardy ingot]

just try out all the guns

the specials are more "special" and depend on the situtation. but mains are mostly pretty similar (with some starker differences in like hel shotgun and dmr or so etc)

[quasi cypress]

Another thing, is there a recommended order to play the levels in?

Like should I do ALL of rundown 1 then 7 or just do it based on depth across both zones?

[tardy ingot]

not "rly"

[quasi cypress]

Gotcha

I think next I'll get this uh

[tardy ingot]

id recommend training -> A levels -> B levels etc (at least when all rundowns are out)
but its up to you
difficulty increases from A to E, but R1 is way easier than R7 (and the other rundowns also vary)

[quasi cypress]

R1B1 out of the way because its gonna be a pain

[tardy ingot]

so R1 is definetly easier once you are done with like R7A1, B1 and maybe B2

[quasi cypress]

also, is Sledgehammer the best melee?

Cause at first I liked the spear for the utility

[tardy ingot]

yes

[quasi cypress]

but I realize you can act like a Halo Juggernaut with the sledge hammer when out of ammo

its definitely risky but the sprint+hammer is nutty and wracks up kills like crazy

[tardy ingot]

all melees are useable
but hammer is king (and jack of all trades aswell)

Knife is better vs smalls, bat is a mix of hammer and knife (with 1-2 unique things) and spear is ... well long range i guess?

[sage belfry]

all melee have their own pros and cons

[tardy ingot]

yeah. tho in the end Hammer just has by far the most pros and least cons

[quasi cypress]

it also looks cool af

[sage belfry]

unless you're a speedrunner just running full speed at every room.

[tardy ingot]

its very simple tho since the hammer was the OG tool (the others were introduced 1 year ago) and the game was balanced around it

i mean speedrunners unironically consider knife and bat at times

[quasi cypress]

Oh man I really gotta see some speedruns of levels I've beaten

[tardy ingot]

spear not so much LOL

[sage belfry]

thats what im sayin.

[tardy ingot]

theres stuff on speedrun com

[icy cave]

There is Hammer and nothing else

not worth it

[quasi cypress]

I'll bonk with pride

[sage belfry]

there's plenty on youtube also

[tardy ingot]

which levels have you beaten Wallow?

[quasi cypress]

HAH only like training and the 2 beginner levels of rundowns 1 and 7

[tardy ingot]

so R7A1 and R1A1?

[quasi cypress]

ye

I'm expecting this game to beat the snot out of me

so I'm trying to learn as much as I can

[icy cave]

R7 will

R1 not so much

[tardy ingot]

then id recommend the 4man R1A1 run by lee_quid and the R7A1 runs (solo/duo/4man, whichever you wanna choose to watch) by definetly not me

definetly wont be advertising my own runs @quasi cypress
but unironically theres some sick R1A1 runs already

its insane how quick that level goes by

[quasi cypress]

how fast?

[tardy ingot]

waiting for R4 and R5

2:34

[quasi cypress]

cause me and my friend took an hour and 18 minutes to get through it (were both noobs)

bruh

[icy cave]

Compared to r4 and r5, R7 is just training

[icy cave]

16 min solo with bots

And That was no speedrun

[quasi cypress]

currently I'm soloing cause I want to learn just enough to be competent before running with a team

after that I wanna run with some teams because that's usually the fastest way to learn in any co-op game

[tardy ingot]

im mean its a good attidude? but dont worry about "ruining runs"

[quasi cypress]

just observe other players and try not to piss them off

[tardy ingot]

if you wanna check out some guides (at some point) id recommend Professor Scaler on youtube

and well speedruns can also be kinda neat for some levels

[quasi cypress]

funny you mentioned that

nvm cant post pics

anyway im subbed to them

maybe a tad off topic but I'm just so impressed with this game so far

shooters aren't usually my thing, with exception to games like doom/ultrakill

but MAN this game has me really hooked

[tardy ingot]

have fun then

[quasi cypress]

oh uh

is hel rev + sniper a good combo?

I just really like sniper cause it puts the big guys down quick

[tardy ingot]

hel revo is always good pretty much
Sniper rn is very niche

but if you wanna kill big guys its fine

definetly better than giving bots one

[quasi cypress]

I should probably lookn up the intended purposes of specials tbh

[tardy ingot]

most are very easy to understand

if you want a special to kill bigs its either
Sniper (very specific)
Choke mod shotgun (small mag high range shotgun)
pumpshotty (all rounder, same dmg als choke but needs to be closer)
and technically high cal... (tho this one got nerfed in that regard as it now needs an extra hit)

[brisk niche]

So the only rundowns are R1 and R7 right?

[tardy ingot]

right now yes

[brisk niche]

Ah cool

[tardy ingot]

there will be ALT R2-R6 aswell as R8 at some point this and next year

[brisk niche]

Just completed all of R1 and was like huh no R2

Done half of R7 aswell

[tardy ingot]

R1 is also by far the easiest rundown

what have you done of R7?

[brisk niche]

Only haven’t done C2-C3 D1-D2 and chaos which I’m guessing are harder

[tardy ingot]

have you done the optionals on B2 and B3

[brisk niche]

Yeah

Wasn’t too bad

[tardy ingot]

but yeah the difficulty picks up in R7

howd you like B3PE?

[brisk niche]

Is that the fog and shadows

[tardy ingot]

R4 and R5 will be another step up... but til then its gonna be a rather long til stil

nah thats B2 secondary

B3PE is B3 main + secondary + overload in 1 run

overload adds chargers to the full infectious fog at the end of the level

[brisk niche]

Oh I didn’t do PE yet on B3

Didn’t wanna risk dying

[tardy ingot]

oh yeah then have fun with that B3PE is quite a bit harder than C1

[thorny creek]

Dying is part of the experience

[tardy ingot]

[brisk niche]

I’ve died plenty already

Got game week ish ago

[silver fable]

why are you bringing sniper?

not a rhetorical question, but a lot of newer players seem to think they need sniper for scouts

sniper's main purpose is to 1shot bigs, and it's also good into some boss enemies

[brisk niche]

Chokes my go to

[silver fable]

if there isn't an extreme amount of big killing going on, then something like choke or pump shotgun might be more suitable, depending on the level

not as hard a commitment as sniper

regarding bullpup, it's sort of a main that feels very cushy for new players, because mains in gtfo are kinda designed to be a bit flimsy

and bullpup feels like it gets around all of that -- large mag, high fire rate, long range, etc

it's held back by a horrible reload

which matters a lot for mains, because they're all kinda specced to be nimble, good uptime, low impact guns

(though hel revo and carbine are pushing against that "low impact" aspect for sure)

and bullpup's impact isn't really out-of-place next to other specials, so you're going to feel the reload a lot when you need to do a lot of killing

dmr and hel revo both have reloads that are almost as long as the bullpup's, but they both also have reload cancels (swap weapons when the numbers change to cancel the rest of the animation), which cut a lot of time off the reload

[stark niche]

I'v read a bit of the chat and saw ya'll talking about guns
i still dont know which special to take.. i stick to the precision rifle coz the thermal is absolutely bonkers for a beginner. i loved the high cal pistol, the sniper was nice during R1C1(i think..||the generator one||) ||to kill off the big boys in the distance.||
as a main i love the revolver coz its just so nice. ran almost every mission with it, feels amazing, but i cant decide on the special yet. shotguns are not really my thing, neither are machineguns, i think a revolver might be nice but not sure if being a gunslinger with two revos is bad, coz i wont be able to deal with a lot of enemies fast enough i think.

also me and my friends find that c-foam is extremely good, coz it slows and even stuns the enemies, which is super cool and helpful. usually we go for a tracker, burst turret and a c-foam (also, a lil' question about sniper and shotgun turrets: what exactly are biotracked enemies? the ones who got pinged by the tracker, right? makes sense, but i still wanna know for sure)

[silver fable]

shotguns are not really my thing, neither are machineguns
lol, the veruta machine gun is currently the most overtuned main

[icy cave]

If you take foam take mines

[silver fable]

and choke shotty is probably the best ranged "power" weapon

[icy cave]

the combo foam + mines on doors is the most OP in the game

[silver fable]

and pump shotty is the best up-close waveclear/power weapon

[stark niche]

sounds about right

[icy cave]

As for weapons even if some are meta. grab whatever you like

[silver fable]

the revolver (i.e. the special slot revolver) is very good too right now

[stark niche]

we once foamed a door and didnt think the extract will take a lot of time, so we got zerg rushed to death after the door broke T_T

[silver fable]

marksman waveclear focused gun

[icy cave]

Mine on it would have killed pretty much everything

[silver fable]

i think a revolver might be nice but not sure if being a gunslinger with two revos is bad, coz i wont be able to deal with a lot of enemies fast enough i think
the revolver is very good at dealing with large hordes of smaller enemies, so I wouldn't worry about that

[stark niche]

yeah, we definitely should try it sometime!

[silver fable]

it's less good against high-HP enemies like chargers and giants

[icy cave]

Just don't use mines in the open. Just doors

[stark niche]

gotcha

[silver fable]

i loved the high cal pistol, the sniper was nice during R1C1
You have basically the right idea about situations where the sniper is good by the looks of it, but often there won't be enough bigs to justify it and you'll be better off with the choke shotty. Think of it as a less-extreme ranged weapon than the sniper, that still has a lot of range and that can solve a lot of the same problems, whilst still letting you hit smalls without burning through all your ammo.
The high cal is in a strange place after recent balance changes. Previously you'd want to think about whether you wanted the same amount of power but more waveclear (pump shotty), the same amount of power but more range (choke shotty), or something which split the difference between those two options (high cal). They pushed high cal out of that power category with a damage reduction, so now it's wanting to be compared to waveclear weapons (revolver, machine guns, heavy assault rifle), but imo it doesn't have the uptime for that kind of job. Use it if you like it, but I'd consider revolver or one of the auto specials.

[stark niche]

as far as i gather info from here, there are currently only 2 playable rundowns? the alt:r1 and r7? how often do new ones appear? we already almost completed the r1 and i doubt it'll take us more then a week (we dont really play often, just once per 2 days or so, but for like 2-3-4 hours) to complete the R7, which makes me think that we might run out of missions until new ones come out?

[silver fable]

the decision to bring back old rundowns was recent

previously only the latest rundown would be available, and it would be removed after some time (think several months) and replaced with a new rundown

10 chambers made the decision to bring back all the rundowns

[icy cave]

Don't use R1 to measure the difficulty of the game

R7 will take you more than a week

R1 is WAY more easier

[silver fable]

as of now we have rundown 1 back, but they should be bringing them back one after the other, on the order of weeks apart, until r1-r6 are back

[stark niche]

yeah i found myself feeling really bad every time i shot anything but a big one with my sniper, and felt even worse when i had like 10% on my main and 100% on sniper due to the lack of big boys

[icy cave]

And then we finally get R8

[silver fable]

then r8 sometime after that, which they basically confirmed in a press release will be the last rundown and the end of the game

[silver fable]

yeah a sign that something like choke shotty might be an appropriate step down

but experiment, take what makes sense for the level

[craggy pier]

might have to snipe the smalls

[stark niche]

ok, makes sense, just talking about my own experience until now. i really hope it will be challenging!

[icy cave]

You have to. ammo balance is important

[craggy pier]

or you could sit at 0% primary whole game

[icy cave]

You'll have secondaries, overloads. way more enemies. It is not comparable

[stark niche]

looking forward to getting killed over and over again haha

[icy cave]

It will start easy tho, so not to much worry

[icy cave]

It will be good training for when R4 and R5 come back. Those are the peak

[icy cave]

Just to give you an idea. The whole of rundown 1 is easier than R7C1.

And thus also easier than R7B3PE

[tardy ingot]

and r7c1 is the 4th easiest mission of rundwon 7

[icy cave]

👆

[stark niche]

it took us 15 hours and we still have to go for the last one.. the r1d1 i think
☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

[stark niche]

my god

[icy cave]

Took me 2 hr 20 minutes 😅😅

But not comparable ofc

[latent obsidian]

I reckon I probably cleared R1 in about 50 minutes

[stark niche]

we are goin REALLY slow and stealthy
also died a couple of times. the... r1c2 (i think?) took us nearly 2 hours....

[icy cave]

R1C1 for 30 min and rest in 20. it adds up 😏

[tardy ingot]

i cleared it in 10 sec

When i decided to look at my og rundown completion screenshot

[icy cave]

😂

[tardy ingot]

dw about it
You get quicker as you get more confident and experienced

[icy cave]

As it should be starting out

[tardy ingot]

altho, i must sadly inform you guys. Unless you use boosters you cant clear r1c1 in under 20 min

[icy cave]

Just enjoy R1D1 and then prepare for R7 fun 😃

[tardy ingot]

we managed a 20:36 but at most we can prob go to 20:20

[stark niche]

yet we got only 1 agressive one and i got like +hacking skills ☠️

[icy cave]

Not doable I think even if you immediatly validate codes. And ewww boosters ....

[tardy ingot]

its def possible sub 20 with bioscan boosters and some black hops

[icy cave]

I have not used boosters since R5. I'm fine Thank you 😅

Also I don't do speedruns

[tardy ingot]

without boosters 20:36 was neat tho, aiming for sub 20:30

Also it makes the level unironically more exciting (well for everyone but the terminal person)

[icy cave]

Yeah he's just pumching dem codes in

[tardy ingot]

[stark niche]

how did u approach r1c1 tho? we had a bad time running out of ammo and tool refills and running all the way back for some 2uses ones
we were using 4 sentries so it ate thru the tool refills really fast

[tardy ingot]

Normal way or speedrun way?

[icy cave]

1st if you had any shotgun sentry. blame it, dump it, never look back

[latent obsidian]

speedruns are fun but my team cba for them

[stark niche]

4 burst sentries 👌

[stark niche]

i actually wanna hear both:D

[tardy ingot]

Easiest way is 3 sentries (2 sniper, 1 burst) and a bio tracker. The bio makes the sniper sentrys shoot a tad quicker and preserve ammo

you loot up fully in the spawn room (max out ammo/tool and grab the biggest ammo and tool each)

hold the first 5-6 waves in the bridge room. (Start out with only burst sentry the 1st and 2nd wave). Once bridge zone is fully looted, you have around 1 min down time between waves.

Thats when you run to the zone right before spawn and grab some packs there

[icy cave]

2 sniper, 1 burst, 1 bio 👌

[icy cave]

Nowadays have a hard time to even start up the game 😔

[stark niche]

i kinda felt like sniper turret.. doesnt really shoot that much??? like it almost never uses any ammo so i decided to go for the burst one

[latent obsidian]

sad times

[icy cave]

That is what the bio is for

[stark niche]

we'll try that, for sure

[icy cave]

Not really, WH III is a lot of fun. It scratches that genocide itch

inb4 comment about a game joke gets deleted

[tardy ingot]

speedrun way is
Run. Smash left small door, run some more (dont loot, no time)
repeat til at reactor. Start reactor
Hold 1st wave, immediatly punch in code. Loot while down time is going on

1 terminal guy empties his ammo in the first 2 waves, doesnt get refilled
3 defenders push up after 5th wave and hold right next to spawn where they loot up between waves

At 7th wave terminal guy can run to them to place the sentry and back without wasting time

You punch in the last code and the 3 people run to the extract before it spawns to have 3 people on it immediatly

I can upload and send you the video if you want (will take some time tho)

[tardy ingot]

Every shot it does kills a non giant enemy. And 2 shots giants if it headshots 1

burst needs minimum 3 burst usually, more for any big

sniper with bio shoots quicker and only used ammo 70% of the time

[stark niche]

oh, wait, i wondered but we never checked. where do the monsters spawn? is it like a set distance, lets say, 200 meters from the players or something? coz we were defending right in the reactor room

[stark niche]

hmm interesting

[tardy ingot]

for the reactor they spawn 2 rooms away in spawn direction. Unless you sit on spawn theyll always spawn in that direction 2 rooms away

they generally spawn 2 rooms away

with some exceptions

[stark niche]

oh... ok, well, better to find out late than never

we kinda thought they just spawned in one exact room somewhere and thought we needed to be at the reactor not to get zerged as soon as the wave starts

[icy cave]

Pretty much every alarm. Uplinks as well but forced to the same zone. So if the zone only has one more room, they will spawn only that one room away. (But uplinks is something for later)

The rest is, exceptions not considered, always 2 rooms away

[stark niche]

ok, thanks for the info!

oh btw, do we even need to check the auto generated logs? i feel like the one time i wont check them there will be something interesting, but i keep seeing literally the same text over and over again and i feel tired of typing it over and over again

[tardy ingot]

i mean.. not rly

if you are a lore freak check maaaybe

[latent obsidian]

If you look at a terminal it says how many logs are on it

[tardy ingot]

to be honest r6 and r7 have wwaaaaay more lore than alt r1

[latent obsidian]

If it ever says there are 2 or more it is worth chcking for lore

[stark niche]

yeah, i definitely am. guess i'll continue doing that

[tardy ingot]

alt r2 to r5 may get some extra lore to be fair

the auto logs dont rly have "hard lore". just some data stuff

[stark niche]

yeah, figured that already. but even if there's only 1 log i usually still read it for some god knows what reason

[latent obsidian]

Ah, well that one log is always the same

so no need to read that each time

[tardy ingot]

if you rly wanna go deep you should probably go over a lot of the auto generated screens in some levels

lots of them are copied but some specific levels have somewhat unique ones

r6d1 comes to mind

[stark niche]

well, if i understand it correctly, cant really play r6 right now xd

[tardy ingot]

yeah was just going over the thought

those 2 rundowns have a majority of easily accessable lore

[craggy pier]

weellllllll some ppl did it within 24 hrs

[icy cave]

Yes And I did it within a week. I was looking from the perspective of new players

[craggy pier]

you never know, they might be cracked

[icy cave]

They might, if they prove me wrong good on them for real

[craggy pier]

or they could get carried by badger playing on 3 accounts at once

[stark niche]

lmao

[icy cave]

Apparently he has a full team. all new

[stark niche]

we have a team of 3, and yep, all new

[icy cave]

So I took that info to make the assesment

[icy cave]

Ah in that case the badger theory can hold up

[craggy pier]

your friends are all badger

[icy cave]

R7 in a day WASSUP

[icy cave]

He would totally scream at his other alt account for fucking up 😂

[stark niche]

naaah

ya know, if u bash ur head for a long time, eventually, the wall will crumble
that's the principle we're going for (sorta? i dunno just came up with this lmao)

we will get punished a lot, we will die a lot, but we'll get better and do everything on our own. that's the best way to experience a game like that in my opinion

[latent obsidian]

I totally agree

Thats how my squad had it back in R1 and I'm so glad of it

[icy cave]

Good mentality

you'll get there, I know it

[craggy pier]

good mentality but don't be afraid to reach out for help whenever you need it

[tardy ingot]

just... dont spam the checkpoints once you get to them in R7

[craggy pier]

8 hr c1

[stark niche]

0_o

[tardy ingot]

legit watched multiple 4-10 hour R6C1 attempts (not even runs)

[icy cave]

Ah yes plz if you wipe 3 times it's time to start over obviously something is not working at that point

[craggy pier]

u mean 7?

[tardy ingot]

no, havent watched that many people grind that level over 3 hours

[icy cave]

no R6C1 as well

[tardy ingot]

most give up for some reason

[craggy pier]

bruh...

[tardy ingot]

on r6c1 they grinded way more

since it was easier and simpler

[craggy pier]

how

[icy cave]

I've seen a 10 hour R7C1 tho

[craggy pier]

wdym they grinded it

they tried to beat it but couldnt?

[icy cave]

The last room

[craggy pier]

lol

just shoot good

[icy cave]

literally did the spiral stair case for 5 hour straight

[tardy ingot]

@craggy pier yep, "try" -> death -> "try" (not change much or anything) -> death - repeat

[icy cave]

over and over

[tardy ingot]

the giant room/scout zone and the spiral

both took some parties multiple hours of attempts

many of these parties also were mad at the game for taking to long (figures lol)

[craggy pier]

lol

[stark niche]

wait, can u change loadouts on checkpoints? coz if not, i dont see how that might work

[icy cave]

That level was a comfy 40 minutes (R7C1 as well) when I see teams take that much time it hurts

[stark niche]

just pray to the RNGesus?

[craggy pier]

no

[tardy ingot]

changing strategy is what i mean @stark niche

like where you position sentrys can matter a lot

r6c1 was a very very sentry reliant level. as in sentrys made it piss easy when positioned well

[icy cave]

You can't change loadouts. But people literally do that: pray and bash their heads for HOURS

[stark niche]

i mean, the team with the same loadout cant change their strategy drastically, afaik
altho, yeah, im new to the game so i can be mistaken

[tardy ingot]

people wasted too many ressources, didnt actually prepare for the last alarm or placed them awfully

[craggy pier]

my first r7c1 clear was like 1.5-2 hrs cos we died a few times

[stark niche]

lmao

[tardy ingot]

oh you can for sure
especially if you have no clue about strats yet

[stark niche]

ok, makes sense

[tardy ingot]

id argue absolute first clears take like 1-2 hours (outside of early levels)
if youve cleared a level and take over 1 1/2 hours then you play very very slow

[icy cave]

It's just sometimes it's better to just start over. meaby you'll have more resources cause you spend less, more health etc etc. different loadout.

[tardy ingot]

also because you (hopefully) figured out how to beat something youll be better prepared and not take 1 hour for a segment but only 15 min

[stark niche]

almost every mission in R1 took us 0:40-1:20 except for r1c2 which took a wopping 1:51 and the r1d1 which we havent tried yet
OOF

[tardy ingot]

i had people legit argue with me that getting to the first checkpoint in r6c1 takes over 45 min

... i can get there solo in 15

[stark niche]

yeah that's what comes to my mind

[icy cave]

R1D1 was 19 min. Curious to hear about your times later when done.

[tardy ingot]

dw those are normalish times (tho r1 is a bit smaller)
probably playing very safe on c2?

i mean DjDNA you probably wouldnt take 19 min if you were fully blind no?

[icy cave]

True we took 40 blind

[tardy ingot]

oh yeah. also restarting and changing tools (and guns/melee) can MASSIVELY change how a level plays

[craggy pier]

R1D1 is short as fuck, don't take any side zones, shoot straight and don't alert scouts, plenty of resources

[icy cave]

on OG R1

[tardy ingot]

so many people doing r6c1 with mines and cfoam, 2 auto sentries

[stark niche]

actually we were really "efficient" there, but yeah, we did bash almost every ||spiked guy(?) (no idea what's their gimmick yet)|| with 3 hammers at the same time

[tardy ingot]

...

[craggy pier]

do the 4 sentry strat

[icy cave]

chargers

[tardy ingot]

you wanna know? its not overtly special

[icy cave]

one hit on the spine with the hammer

[stark niche]

actually. question.
does the difficulty increase the more people are in a party or is it literally easier to play as a full-party?

[tardy ingot]

difficulty stays the same

[icy cave]

easier with full party. no scaling at all if less

[stark niche]

sure, i would like to. the only thing i noticed is that their faces are really human-like. ||well with some spiked coming out of them||

[tardy ingot]

Chargers, 50% more hp than the normal strikers. they dont have a head crit spot so shooting there doesnt change anything.

they move quicker and do slightly more dmg. they also a chain of 3 small melee attacks if in range

[stark niche]

yeah, another question. we sorta think that's this is the case, but: does backstabs deal more dmg? sometimes i onshot in the head, sometimes dont. i mostly do when im attacking from behind, but might be just a coincidence

[tardy ingot]

yep. up to 2x depending on the angle where you are behind them. usually its just 2 times the dmg if you are straight behind an enemy
be careful tho, it doesnt matter if you hit the back of the head or smth, you need to be behind them orientation wise. so if they bend over and you hit the back its not 2x dmg

[stark niche]

OH
well
that sorta sucks and is amazing at the same time.. we tried to find a 4th friend who was willing to pay and play, but mostly we hear "the game looks like KillingFloor2 but 5 times more expensive" and i cant prove them wrong

[craggy pier]

LOL

[tardy ingot]

tell anyone who thinks that, that they havent actually looked at it

[icy cave]

The gimmick for chargers is that you want to do a charged shot on the spine. cause they have no head crit spot. normal strikers etc I would just go for head

[tardy ingot]

its way more of a Left4Dead but focused on stealth and tactics.

[icy cave]

Way more teamwork oriented tho

[stark niche]

strikers are the ones who have a mouth thru all their head, right?
guessing the ranged attackers are called spitters or something lol

[tardy ingot]

the no scaling on difficulty is also pretty neat if you want to do solo/duo runs (without bots) since it becomes a cool challenge

[tardy ingot]

strikers and shooters

[icy cave]

shooters

[tardy ingot]

spitters... are smth else, dw youll see them soon enough

well maybe

[icy cave]

spitters come later 👀

[stark niche]

ok, thanks.
does it stack with the head hit? or can we just break their ribs from behind?

[stark niche]

oh no

[icy cave]

R7 nit a lot of them tho

[tardy ingot]

it does. this leads to the hammer and bat being able to tap kill a shooter on the back of the head

[stark niche]

that's what i told them. still guys think that the price is somewhat too high:((

[tardy ingot]

so you need way less charge (or do way more dmg) to the back of the head

[tardy ingot]

this is "understandable". its a niche game

but theres a fuck ton of content

like, with all the rundowns youll easily have 200 hours of content

if not more

[icy cave]

More

[tardy ingot]

i mean im 1.3k hours in

[stark niche]

damn

[icy cave]

It takes new players like 50 hours to finish R7 I think

meaby even more

[stark niche]

OOF

[tardy ingot]

tho ive also done a ton of solo/duo and speedruns

[stark niche]

yeah i'll keep yall informed on our progress lmao

[tardy ingot]

without help more

[craggy pier]

gtfo question- who wants to play deep rock with me?

[stark niche]

more than 50 hours ☠️

[icy cave]

Without help meaby like 100

[stark niche]

ROCK AND STONE BRUDDA

[tardy ingot]

R6 the usual time for no help first clear (no extension) was 100 hours

[icy cave]

Still R7 has the easiest E tier to date

[tardy ingot]

so id say 100+ without help is definetly there

[craggy pier]

ROCK AND STONE