fathom jolt
That is fair. (your last few posts)@dry pumice Has the devs ever talked about their stance on this (not)mechanic?
I am pretty sure this will sit in the rocket jump category. it will be a valid mechanic until the devs remove it or nerf it. didnt they nerf the training of enemies? that is in many horde games but I think you can do it as much now.
frank cliff
That is fair. (your last few posts)<@377548062119297025> Has the devs ever talk...
They have not specifically talked about it to my knowledge, but they have implemented and updated a lot of guns since the first rundown some that can be reload canceled and some that cannot be
noble sierra
I don't think reload cancel has much relations to fast pace gaming. Like more FPS game without reload cancel can still be fast pace.
fathom jolt
They have not specifically talked about it to my knowledge, but they have implem...
did any of the updates specifically target the reloads?
frank cliff
I don't think reload cancel has much relations to fast pace gaming. Like more FP...
I disagree, it's minor but it has an impact on how fast you can clear enemies from a room waking up, after alarms and durring errors
noble sierra
It has impact on GTFO for sure, because in GTFO reload cancel is huge difference
wary linden
I mean it is also huge in any pvp fps
noble sierra
What I want to say you can still have fun/fast pace of GTFO gameplay even if reload cancel removed
frank cliff
did any of the updates specifically target the reloads?
They have made changed the speed of some guns reload like the sawed off and DMR. if that's what you're asking
frank cliff
Why?
dry pumice
Like fine, save your 0,2 of a second, I don't care and I don't lose much by not doing it
noble sierra
Like the PVP FPS I've played has no reload cancel and it won't make me feel slow.
dry pumice
But were talking about reloading times almost being halved
You don't think that a major game balance disruption?
noble sierra
They have made changed the speed of some guns reload like the sawed off and DMR....
Yep, they might have to compensate if the devs decide to remove reload cancel
dapper compass
Mine Deployer cancelling, now that's a thing we can talk about
fathom jolt
~~Mine Deployer cancelling, now that's a thing we can talk about~~
lmao omg yes
noble sierra
Mine canceling is a difficult trick I can't consistent execute, though
frank cliff
Not that it's particularly hard to do, but like again what is the issue of it existing like it's a skill to help shoot better?
dapper compass
I mean i didn't even know there was cancelling, all I know is that mine is slow as shit unless you're trying to pick up something (your own mine, a fog turbine, probably locker resources)
noble sierra
Not that it's particularly hard to do, but like again what is the issue of it ex...
It's not an issue for me, but it's not a fun/exciting mechanics anyway
fathom jolt
the canceling only helps in higher skill play so even if it cuts it down in half how many of us can actually use it? I get it 30% of the time but that is when I am thinking of trying it like at the end of a wave. but like someone else said you can alternate reloads with your team and even if you didnt have the mechanic you wouldn't notice it if you had a good team
noble sierra
In GTFO reload cancel exists and is huge, so I used it. But in games like Overwatch/Battlefield, there's no reload cancel and I still have fun and there's plenty of "high skill" tricks that's presented in the game other than just click a button
frank cliff
the canceling only helps in higher skill play so even if it cuts it down in half...
That's the point of having high skill items and mechanics, like look at the revolver, it is a high skill weapon if you hit say 60% of your headshots on small it is one of the most ammo efficient guns in the rundown, now imagine someone who can only hit 10% of their headshots, should the revolver be buffed because that one person can't aim or should they work on aiming better to make better use of the revolver?
wary linden
Overwatch also has it apparantly
frank cliff
That same logic works here reload canceling is not that hard, it can take some time to get perfect, but I believe anyone can do it if they spend at most 10 minutes actually trying with the guns they want to use, and you should be rewarded for trying to develop a skill in a game
fathom jolt
That's the point of having high skill items and mechanics, like look at the revo...
mechanics just like reload canceling. my point was it is a valid mechanic whether intended or not
frank cliff
In GTFO reload cancel exists and is huge, so I used it. But in games like Overwa...
You're talking about reload canceling as if it's the biggest factor in how good you are as a player. You 100% don't need to do it to be good at the game, but if you do it can only help. There are much bigger things you can do that take less effort for the amount of difficulty they remove from the game
dry pumice
... like the entire mine deployer.
noble sierra
You're talking about reload canceling as if it's the biggest factor in how good ...
I'm not saying it's the biggest factor but I generally agree the rest
fathom jolt
God, this game needs some *polish*
the not being able to drop stuff is killing me
slowly
noble sierra
I'm saying that reload cancel, just like perma-foam/circle kiting/long kiting, asks the player do so little and gives too much benefit
frank cliff
those things are not on the same level
reload canceling means nothing if you can't aim, it only assists in shooting better, while circle kiting and perma foaming are like no brain ways to just ignore enemies
noble sierra
They are not the same level, I do use some extreme examples, but if there's a spectrum, my point is reload cancel also too towards on the cheap side
molten mural
what's reload canceling 
frank cliff
what's reload canceling <:nkoLurk:959879733645033553>
It's just a way to cancel the reload animation to be ale to shoot quicker after you hit the reload button
frank cliff
They are not the same level, I do use some extreme examples, but if there's a sp...
I disagree I don't think reload canceling itself is very hard to do, but I think that the upside it gives you doesn't matter unless you actually have the skill to shoot. Reload canceling if you can't aim means nothing
frank cliff
ooh how do I do that
theres probs videos on youtube about it
noble sierra
I disagree I don't think reload canceling itself is very hard to do, but I think...
That's fine, we can keep our disagreements.
weary mesa
With the amount of stagger that weapons do now you really don't need to aim to save yourself
dry pumice
or is it weapon specific
You just switch weapon the second your ammo count goes up. Sometimes the switch animation finishes faster than the actual reload animation.
And yes, it is weapon specific. I know that HEL revolver and PDW greatly benefit from this little exploit while with Bullpup you might as well just let the reload animation finish.
spark wolf
it is still much more fun to play the game without feeling the need to do some dumbass swap after your reload
you cant defend that shit
its stupid af
if there's an actual mechanic to speed up your reload sure
skilled
memorize how long it takes to reload
so much skill
distant ice
triggered
wary linden
you can go back to kiting wesley
spark wolf
burst cancel was a skill!!
frank cliff
Yeah it’s not hard to do but it’s not busted like circle kiting
mossy aurora
Did anyone play high level halo? Wasn't there like melee animation cancel in halo 3
Or being able to double burst with the br
waxen jetty
I dont think wesley understands that guns with additional mechanics are much more fun than the ones without
spark wolf
i think after 4k+ hours i probably do
it is in fact very freeing to use a weapon like the hel shotgun
wary linden
3k of those hours are you kiting though
frank cliff
Because my favorite part about rundown 4 was jumping into any level and everyone taking burst cannon hel revo 🙂
spark wolf
why u think macro burst cancel
waxen jetty
judging by the way he hates reload cancel i cant even imagine him using other guns with their extra mechanics
spark wolf
cuz its not fun to do that shit
what are you talking about dude
come defend the extra mechanics properly instead of just trying to attack how i play the game
waxen jetty
ok you dont like burst cannon right
spark wolf
you're enjoying yourself swapping weapons at the end of your reload?
frank cliff
ok you dont like burst cannon right
Bro the problem with burst cannon wasn’t the extra mechanics it’s that it was busted af omegalul
waxen jetty
but wesley is complaining about macro
on the burst cannon
and cancelling in general
spark wolf
no
i said i used a macro for it cuz i got tired of doing it
cuz it wasn't fun to do
just like the reloads
they aren't good "mechanics" in any way
wary linden
so you are just lazy got it
spark wolf
i didn't have fun doing it
come up with actual shit instead of making assumptions about me
dry pumice
On day of 14.09.2022...I agreed with Wesley.
waxen jetty
if you get lazy burst cancelling then you would get bored of others guns even faster?
dry pumice
Nature finds a way.
waxen jetty
cause those guns are literally click and point / hold down m1
waxen jetty
right so having something like the burst cannon is a blessing
because you do more than just hold down mouse 1
soft crater
I dont think wesley understands that guns with additional mechanics are much mor...
I have to say that doesnt make them more fun but more satisfying to pull off. But even then that doesnt make the gun fun
spark wolf
as a minigame for your hacks sure
not as a main way of combat
especially not without being properly supported
dry pumice
We do have ugly round aim reticlus
Just point a times area in it
Press R when in the blue for super reload
waxen jetty
ok even if we exclude burst cannon
its much more fun to align enemies with your hel gun
than just shoot them
spark wolf
sure
waxen jetty
because it adds another layer of flavor to the gun
spark wolf
properly supported 👍
soft crater
Hel gun is pretty braindead strong imo
soft crater
Just have RoF timing and recoil control
waxen jetty
devs only support the things people dont bitch about
and since no one wanted to learn burst cancelling they cried about it
spark wolf
i think you're a little blinded
soft crater
you're technically wrong but you do you. Jool
waxen jetty
people cried about hammer kiting
spark wolf
you're just not willing to accept that
waxen jetty
now theres stamina
spark wolf
HI ROBERT
swift lodge
Can I please add more rules for what is acceptable or not so that I can boost my own ego????
spark wolf
im not trying to boost my ego robert
i admitted to using a macro for burst cancelling
soft crater
You must have substantial hours to be viable kekw
swift lodge
I can't stand that other players are starting to do it and now it's just annoying because it's CHEESE
spark wolf
you're delusional af robert
the reload thing people have done forever
burst cancel i was thought by bug hunters
what you said makes no sense
swift lodge
When I was kiting in r3 and r4 I was PRO. now that people started doing it late R4, it was not part of a " skill" category so now it is lame
spark wolf
never said anything like that
swift lodge
I just need everything to match my own standards can everyone please validate my point pls pls pls pls
LOL
spark wolf
go back to japan robert
swift lodge
That was like so long ago I said that and you actually still remember
That really got to you huh
spark wolf
typical robert reaction to just change the topic
yeh sure it really got to me like all those other things you think get to me
Clueless
swift lodge
LOL this is coming from a guy who writes " go back to Japan " when it wasn't even remotely close to that
I'm just so convinced thank you Wesliiiiiey
Wait there's no I in your name anymore
spark wolf
cuz you were rambling about random shit again
waxen jetty
sounded to me like he described wesley
soft crater
soft crater
Jool ur just based ngl.
spark wolf
soft crater
cobalt pollen
soft crater
Should also say Robert. It isnt hard to just search someone's messages
Within a server
spark wolf
it is indeed as simple as from: robert in: media
because from him they are indeed common
there's also funny enough no question about it
unless anything you find about me
for my cases its always it looks like ...
believe whatever the fuck you want, im sure he'll find another way to play this out so i look like the weird one for pointing out his foolishness
wary linden
I mean. You did it for R6C3 main back then. When the conversation was about opening secondary in the event that people had not grab the resources from the start so they could have access to resources later on the level.
You kept coming back to "they should just play the level slower"
wary linden
And you never acknowledge it even though jt was valid
spark wolf
i was convinced people would have a better time by just taking it more chill
wary linden
You only accepted YOUR way.
spark wolf
maybe it seemed that way
either way that's not really what robert means
robert means me downplaying what others do
wary linden
It's shifting the goal towarf your way is the "correct" way. So yeah it does count
spark wolf
i dont think providing what i think is good advice would fall under that
wary linden
Except that you denied the other way
spark wolf
yeh
because i saw it fail constantly
it was a really hard map for people
and the rushing made it much worse on them from everything i saw
wary linden
Except that this is still shifting the goal from the original situation that was taken into account
To make your point look better and the other one look bad
spark wolf
if you really think i get an ego boost when someone were to accept my advice
you guys are on some serious shit lol
you can agree with my way or disagree with it
i didn't call any players bad
or myself a better player
it's not really the same thing
wary linden
I aint talking about your ego here. Only you are between us
wary linden
Is Robert here rn?
spark wolf
ok if you're not talking about that
i understood your point about the R6C3 thing
and i can see how you could have thought about it that way
i'll tone it down more in the future
craggy pier
is this cheating
I reload cancelled
is this also cheating, i shot before the entire animation played out
supple gust
🍿
dry pumice
https://streamable.com/cfutrp
I don't know. How did you do it? If you just press LMB and it just shoots before animations ends - that's not.
For rest i need details on what exactly is happening.
rigid sinew
cheat deez nuts
craggy pier
he doesn't know how to reload cancel in kf2
also the skills (tactical reload etc) is just elite reload, not relevant to the topic whatsoever
dry pumice
he doesn't know how to reload cancel in kf2
Yep. I always let the reloads finish. Simple as. Literally no one has ever brought it up in the game, nor have i ever observed it while spectating (although this could be because i always spectated in 3rd person for convinience).
craggy pier
even in third person you can see it
i can show you
also it's because devs tried to remove it during beta 1 treacherous skies, community got mad, devs caved in and therefore you can do it again
dry pumice
No need to show me, i'm not that invested into the topic and i condemn the practice either way until it is an actual mechanic with UI.
wise zinc
do cfoam portion boosters apply to grenades/trip mines
wise zinc
okay ty
craggy pier
well it's a genuine feature in kf2 like it or not
turbid horizon
do cfoam portion boosters apply to grenades/trip mines
Also it won’t matter as much because all of the cfoam would be used in one go anyways
dry pumice
https://streamable.com/ky6t5b
well it's a genuine feature in kf2 like it or not
Oh jesus christ, 10 seconds and onward is just ridiculous
Again, you didn't explain - do you just press LMB really fast or there something else going on? Because i don't see you weapon switching at all.
craggy pier
it's the same with gtfo
dry pumice
So a weapon switch causing the animation to cancel early... But the weapon animation doesn't cancel at all. In fact its continuous, the weapon doesn't even twitch - it just looks like its an intended function.
It looks very natural, almost like its intended to be that way. Which, from what you said, seems to be the case.
soft crater
do cfoam portion boosters apply to grenades/trip mines
Cfoam portion iirc works on charged shots of Cfoam for max efficiency of the booster
neon gust
To make your point look better and the other one look bad
They both have the brain power of a sea cucumber
Robert its a dumbass baiting people and wes its a dumbass for falling for it
I know robert your homie but both these people are dumbasses
neon gust
My point its, theyre both reta rd s shit talking to eachother for years now
neon gust
ok. but my example wasn't about the two of them bickering
Thats what i got from the convo tk be honest
And i like to call them dumbasses
Win win for me
neon gust
10/10 would ban again for baiting in ums
waxen jetty
wow guys he really showed them!
soft crater
icy cave
10/10 would ban again for baiting in ums
hmmm now he talks like IGN as well
neon gust
hmmm now he talks like IGN as well
10/10 too much djdna
icy cave
10/10 too much djdna
Love you too man
shell tiger
Hi! For C2 PE, could the northern generator be charged with the power cells from the east side?
Example progression:
noble sierra
Hi! For C2 PE, could the northern generator be charged with the power cells from...
Yes, there's no "matching" between generators & cells, any cell can put in any generator
icy cave
"just plug it in"
tepid sand
plug n play
obsidian surge
tips for clearing D1 final sequence?
only managed to make it to 3/4 scans
b4 we got done in by the tank
cobalt pollen
clear wave, and sandwich the tank
use cover
have one side bait the tank and the other shoot the tumors
switch role when tank changes aggro
icy cave
only managed to make it to 3/4 scans
Pretty much what sats said. put in the code, so that the waves stop. Then deal with the tank on your own tempo
dry pumice
D1 has a tank?....
obsidian surge
A but diffcult to do the sandwich thing cause I'm playing duos with bots. And let's say my team isn't very bright xD
obsidian surge
D1 has a tank?....
I mean there is 3 one at the end and 2 in zone 206(?)
dry pumice
Other guy should order one of the bots to follow him, should be good enough
obsidian surge
True
I think we just had a bad resource spawn
And that the scout infested area in zones 200+ really chewed up all we had
Also what is the timing for killing charger scouts?
Like u can't kill them solo if they aren't cfoamed
So how can a 2 man kill it?
dry pumice
Resources are always the same, just different spots.
Later levels will not let you get away with scout wake ups - you really should avoid that, or at least mine the doors from which the wave will come.
Were they normal or black scouts? The former can be oneshoted with a single hammer / spear to the head, the latter... 2 hammer users can easily kill it in time before Cfoam wears off. Just remember that they don't take headshot damage, and your primary source of DPS on them is hitting them from the back.
Also: they can be oneshoted by being shot to the back as well. Pump, choker and high cal can all do it. And sniper, of course.
dapper compass
You can kill them solo if foamed, but you have to be fast, you have about just enough time to do 2 fully charged Hammer/Spear hit in the back, bat and knife won't do it
Also resource pack have a set number of spawns in each area, the only random element is how they are split up within the zone and their position
obsidian surge
Cause it's zones 209? That has like 6-7 scouts in there
dapper compass
the only thing you can have bad rng on is getting things like cfoam grenades
obsidian surge
Or should I skip that and do the final sigma alram scan?
dapper compass
If you're able to go for the Class X charger alarm go for it, it's faster and it doesn't consume that much resource to be honest, if the Error alarm part went well
obsidian surge
U mean the one to zone 199?
Like once I lower the security for that one once?
Cause I have been trying to clear the class X scan
dapper compass
I don't remember the zones numbers except the ending
obsidian surge
But can cause there are too many shadows for the number of bullets
dapper compass
I never deal with the Class X shadow alarm, if that's what you're talking about
the Error alarm way is easier and will reward a lot of resources
dapper compass
If you plan to do error then class X charger alarm in the red bridge room, 3 snipers and bio is what I go for
if you wanna sneak to reduce the alarm to class V, by going through all the scout and the mom/tank rooms, take a cfoam launcher
also know that there can be 1-3 cfoam grenade after you're done with the error alarm + the disable security scan, in the zone all the way to the east
obsidian surge
Hmm
Cause I have always tried lowering it to the lowest
And differences between the lowest and charger alarms?
Is that class X charger alarm a error alarm?
dapper compass
Class X isn't an Error alarm
Basically you have 2 class X:
-the first one, being the Shadow class X, which, if you go the Error alarm route, can be completely removed
-the second, the Charger class X, situated in the red bridge room, which can be reduced to a Class V alarm if you go sneaking beyond the checkpoint door on the west
my route is Error then X Charger
obsidian surge
Are there like lesser chargers in the class V one compared to the class X?
dapper compass
The alarm is simply shorter, significantly shorter
obsidian surge
Or will it feel like the zone wide scan after error + disable alarms in east zone
dapper compass
Also the class X tends to spawn a high density of Chargers and Big Chargers near the end, it might just be bias on my end tho
cobalt pollen
class V charger just doesnt put you far from the terminal
dapper compass
Oh that too, I forgot
obsidian surge
Oooooo
cobalt pollen
if you do class X you have to run to the other side to do scans
so you cant really place and forget sentries like class V
gusty ember
Hello. I am new to GTFO. (~15h in game). Me and my friend jsut ended C1 and i wanted to know how hard are D1 and E1, and how much attemps should we expect?
verbal zinc
One or two
latent obsidian
Who are the 3rd and 4th players? bots or people from the server/matchmaking?
gusty ember
ah, sorry, missed "s", we are playing as 4 players
latent obsidian
are you all new?
gusty ember
2 of us totally new. And other 2 players played first few missions in previous rundown (They tryed game with their group, but the group broke up quickly)
latent obsidian
Well D1 lets you choose the path to take, there are a few different ways how to handle it. If you do what I'd consider the "correct" path then I don't think its any harder than C1. E1 you'll probably struggle with a lot more and need to retry many times. Even if you have a good plan things can still go wrong quite easily
dapper compass
D1 will challenge you a bit more, E1 is a different story, for new players, it will be hard, and you cannot unlock it until you finish all 9 missions before (you don't need secondary objectives)
I'd recommend doing everything prior to E1
gusty ember
We like the challenge in the game, just wanted to know is it gonna be a nice challenge or oppressive challenge
latent obsidian
Its possible you would consider the difficulty on E1 "oppressive" if you are new
Especially due to the nature of some of it
gusty ember
And what means "Beat" a rundown? Complete all main missions, or complete all missions, secondary missions and complete it with higher difficulty?
latent obsidian
Theres no real definition for it. I might say "Beat" is clearing all the levels and "Completing" is clearing all the objectives
but thats just me
dry pumice
I say getting all cosmetic unlock milestones is enough
Which is beating all objectives one way or another.
latent obsidian
Prisoner efficiency isn't required though
dry pumice
PE is just bragging rights, you don't have to do it.
gusty ember
And just one more question. At the end of the mission C1 there is a evacuation circle. We stayed there as 4 players and completed the mission. But can mission be completed even if other players are downed somwhere else?
latent obsidian
Yes, it can
gusty ember
But "deceased" means nothing at the end?
latent obsidian
Its just for flavour, it doesn't matter at all
People commonly shoot each other at extraction for memes
gusty ember
Thank you for help
icy cave
PE is just bragging rights, you don't have to do it.
If you don't PE you have not completed the rundown. Hence the little 0
dry pumice
Eh, without a physical reward I don't particularly care. Its a cute bonus if my squad pulls it off by accident or otherwise, but nothing I'll lose sleep over.
An apparel, however, even if just for collection purposes...
icy cave
Eh, without a physical reward I don't particularly care. Its a cute bonus if my ...
I agree we need specific apparel rewards for PE completions. BUT the 0 on your screen indicates something has not been completed.
dry pumice
What's optional is optional.
Seen the room, shot the enemies, beat the objective.
1+1 still 2
grizzled widget
We heed a cosmetic like lugubrious but for a TRUE 100%ing of a rundown. PEs and all.
icy cave
without going into if for you it is important or not. There is a thing to do
soft crater
I still want Melee weapon cosmetics for X amount of PE clears a rundown
icy cave
We heed a cosmetic like lugubrious but for a TRUE 100%ing of a rundown. PEs and ...
well a cosmetic for every PE would be nice
grizzled widget
well a cosmetic for every PE would be nice
Closest rn is overload vi rn, and that's only all overloads.
icy cave
Cause Artek has a point, a bit of incentive would not hurt
dry pumice
On the other hand I just know I will burn myself on the grind
grizzled widget
Every pe you get to choose a rundown exclusive primary weapon to keep forever?
icy cave
On the other hand I just know I will burn myself on the grind
you already PE'd this rundown, you're not far away from the point where you just might aswell go for PE every time
wary linden
Pe is the only way after a certain amount of skill is reaches
Cause everything else just feels bare bone.
soft crater
Depends how since some PEs have various methods to do them like C2
icy cave
Cause everything else just feels bare bone.
That is also a thing. Main only is ez af
wary linden
You Do the same shit. You just decide if you want to Do a fun way or a boring way
Or you can be a madlad and Do the chaotic way 🙂
soft crater
You Do the same shit. You just decide if you want to Do a fun way or a boring wa...
Regardless difficulty is different
Experienced players like us will find the more difficult way fun ofc
icy cave
That is also a thing. Main only is ez af
But it was already in R4. Main only was nothing special, but the PE's was where the Meat of the rundown was
icy cave
Regardless difficulty is different
Experienced players like us will find the mo...
Hence why he said: after a certain amount of skill is reached
grizzled widget
The rundown specific weapons will be added back in one of two ways.
1)just added to stay for good, removing the rundown specific tag.
2)set to rotate on a timer
wary linden
Or just limited per rundown
Nothing stops them to just limit which guns you can use in a rundown
wary linden
It all depends if they see it part of the difficulty to restrict the Weapons to a rundown
grizzled widget
(R5 is NOT THE ARBALIST, it's a bastard-child with the veruta)
wary linden
R7 would be a joke with Helgun
grizzled widget
R7 would be a joke with Helgun
Maybe you can only pick a limited number of rundown specific weapons and can switch them monthly?
If some of them are that unbalanced
wary linden
Now that would be boring
grizzled widget
So is someone only ever using one gun
grizzled widget
And I'm sure you wouldn't want a nerf so hard it cracks the mantle
soft crater
And New players Will regret There choices
They either regret their choices or use meta guns think they're trash
I always tell some newbies sniper has low ammo. And that you'll basically need to be ammo efficient with their main weapon
Newbie:Nah I'll be fine.
The newbie throughout the mission: I need ammo
That or they body shot with the sniper
swift lodge
Are you suggesting that goku is a NOOB????
dry pumice
They gave lmg +10 ammo, but didn't extend the same courtesy to Bullpup smh
dry pumice
Well, that's the usual criticism of it. Downtime is not justified by whatever that gun offers.
Maybe if it could fire a little longer it would justify the painful reload.
soft crater
shrugs
The other use is that it's a Full auto with 15m range
Compared to the alternative AR with 10m range
dry pumice
15m DPS is such a niche thing though
soft crater
15m DPS is such a niche thing though
Most full guns dont have that kind of range before damage falloff
Full auto*
MG veruta is 12m iirc
wary linden
You have longer range, no recoil, 40 in the clip which is the current highest for primary. Only topped by machinepistol and autopistol that deal less dmg or basically no dmg respectively.
Your only downside is your reload
soft crater
And i guess precision counts full auto 30m kek
dry pumice
Heh
wary linden
If you can't use the weapons properly then that is a you problem. If they start buffing shit because people don't understand how to use the guns then we will see someone come and say they can't use hel revolver and it should be buffed
dry pumice
I don't know, it just feels like you're better off with something ol reliable like PDW. Lacks in range, but range is generally something hard to come by in this game, on average. Lots of being ambushed around corners and such.
And I've seen a decent amount of people around here calling BP a noob trap and what not just because they believe the reload shits all over whatever that gun has.
wary linden
We also know this will hapoened cause it already happened with hel gun. It was memed as bad and look at it now. The most busted guns and people are all using it when it is there
dry pumice
For whatever reason they believe low downtime is where its at.
Except for lmg, but I guess the defense is that it's a special?
wary linden
That is only because bullpup doesn't excel when shit hit the fan
Mg is suppose to be a weapon for crowd control
You are suppose to stagger the enemies and get kills here and there
dry pumice
True. And shit tends to hit the fan more often that one would hope.
wary linden
True. And shit tends to hit the fan more often that one would hope.
Skill issue
dry pumice
So it's a lot of risk for little gain.
Why risk wiping on horde gone bad when you can just hip fire mcfart it with PDW
wary linden
Pdw doesn't kill long range
Bullpup can
Pdw force you into a closer combat situation. You need a fast reload for that
wary linden
It's like comparing precision riffle with revolver
dry pumice
We can compensate PDW with a long range special, like precision.
Bullpup doesn't really have a perfect buddy weapon for reliable quick reload CQC.
wary linden
And you can compensate bullpup with a gun like MG or revolver
dry pumice
Pumpy is about as good as it gets.
wary linden
Or a shotgun
dry pumice
Just gotta kill it before you run out of 8 rounds.
fair mauve
Damn don't do my shotgun dirty like that Shadow
fair mauve
🙃
dry pumice
I don't think revolver is a good buddy for BP, that thing is medium range head remover. CQC-ing with that thing is painful.
fair mauve
Hip fire better?
dry pumice
Lmg is a good suggestion, but now you have two guns with a million years reload.
icy cave
Lmg is a good suggestion, but now you have two guns with a million years reload.
works on C1
dry pumice
So you better clear the stage or else
icy cave
timing
frank cliff
So you better clear the stage or else
Then clear the stage
dry pumice
Both shotguns seems to be a better fit.
wary linden
Revolver has a very fast reload and can delete horde extremely fast
dry pumice
Can it now? Every time I use I just cringe at my own sharpshooting skills. High risk high reward weapons are just not my thing...
wary linden
I run revolver for fun in D2. The map were you fight constantly. Recently been going back to other guns and i miss how fast i can clear shit with that gun
dry pumice
Ironically BP is a perfect fit for my preferences, but dear lord I feel dirty for using it.
frank cliff
I don’t see why shotgun doesn’t work you’re talking like you have to clear an entire wave by yourself with only your secondary, shouldn’t you have killed some with the bullpup and shouldn’t you have teammates to help you clear the rest?
frank cliff
Then there’s your perfect secondary 🙂
dry pumice
I wouldn't say "perfect", but definetely "good enough".
wary linden
Lol
Everything right now can be summed up to : i have skill issue and weapon balance should be centered around my skill issue
frank cliff
I wouldn't say "perfect", but definetely "good enough".
The only perfect gun pairing in this game is hel gun and a 6 use ammo sooooooo sounds like you’re nitpicking
craggy pier
Can we buff revolver to do 20 dmg because of my skill issue
dry pumice
The only perfect gun pairing in this game is hel gun and a 6 use ammo sooooooo s...
Eh. Basically. Maybe if choker had 2 rounds more or pumpy was about 20% more accurate... Or if HCP didnt had hip fire spread size of America... But other than that its fine by me.
wary linden
Just add reload cancel to the gun :)
frank cliff
Eh. Basically. Maybe if choker had 2 rounds more or pumpy was about 20% more acc...
Get closer to the enemy and you won’t miss
dry pumice
Can we also buff bullpup to do 0.5 second reloads
You're joking, but I unironically seen people argue that Bullpup is shit because it doesn't have a strong RC
craggy pier
How dare you abuse something that wasn't removed for 2+ years :((
dry pumice
Yes.
drifting mauve
dry pumice
Except hipfire
But the circles does lie...
In reality it's like twice more accurate for some reason
drifting mauve
the circles lie...
wary linden
Why are you using hip fire with hcp to Begin with
frank cliff
It really sounds like you want a laser that you don’t have to reload can point at an enemy at any range and kill them
dry pumice
No no, that's fine. Now you're just strawmaning me.
I simply believe that all things considered Bullpup's reload doesn't seem to be justified...
Usually guns that reload too slowly are either stupid powerful or can shoot for a long time. Like the LMG, that we have. But BP is neither... Hits like smg, shoots like smg... Got three times the range, I'll give it that but I don't know. Feels off.
And yet LMG, which was fine, received +10 bullets because why not, but BP got cucked. I just can't get into 10c logic to understand why.
wary linden
Mg vs Har
Har dominanted last rundown between the 2. They don't understand Fully why so they nerfed it this rundown and buffed Mg
That is all
People were only swearing by Har last rundown
dry pumice
Hm. Yeah, as someone who saw hot HAR action in R6 I can see that.
wary linden
When mg was doing the same thing. It was just harder to control
wary linden
Now mg is just a straight upgrade to Har. So you don't hear about har
dry pumice
Did.
wary linden
No people just can't deal with charge Up time
dry pumice
That is a legit concern, yeah.
wary linden
Look at Them now using the mg though compare to har
dry pumice
I should give HAR another chance some time soon. Just to make sure.
soft crater
MG has better efficiency than HAR imo
Ammo*
And to be fair. Using HAR efficiently is just a skill issue
This rundown at least
dry pumice
With HAR bullets always go away faster than you would expect.
Something that was happening to me in R6. I would use it and then be horrified how quickly my ammo% was going down, even though I wasn't exactly going ham with it.
soft crater
HAR is just a slightly beefier Pistol in the end with bigger mag size
Or maybe Rifle but I didnt use the Rifle much
dry pumice
Yeah, rifle. They have same mag size and even reload animation.
HAR just shoots slower, but harder.
frank cliff
Both of those are primaries and semi auto so I would say they’re pretty different…
soft crater
Rifle and pistol yeah
craggy pier
Both of those are primaries and semi auto so I would say they’re pretty differen...
Sawn off shotgun and combat shotgun does similar damage
clearly the same gun
soft crater
Both of those are primaries and semi auto so I would say they’re pretty differen...
Also. HAR is full auto but efficiently used it's basically semi auto
spark wolf
they made the combat shotgun a primary too so clearly same gun
craggy pier
Also. PR is full auto but efficiently used it's basically semi auto
dry pumice
I'm honestly baffled why it even has full auto as a function
The recoil on that thing is monstrous, why would you ever...
Point blank giant removal in a panic?
spark wolf
to kill the KRAKEN
dry pumice
The one that didn't live to see it?
wary linden
I miss old Har the r4 one was funny. Pretty bad but funny
frank cliff
they made the combat shotgun a primary too so clearly same gun
Fair
dry pumice
Yeah... It was a very lazy gun, all things considered.
wary linden
People don't remember the time in r4 when it was a primary
neon gust
People don't remember the time in r4 when it was a primary
Good
Something must remain burried- nasus from the videogame hit league of legends
wary linden
It was a funny gun
sour hatch
hey guys how to farm booster u juste need to collect them ?
wooden osprey
hey guys how to farm booster u juste need to collect them ?
yes
from artifacts
just look around in the levels you see them all around
winged turtle
you can scour the first zone or two in A1 pretty fast,
then you return to lobby, and you should keep your booster progress from that iirc
static turret
Any updates to recommended bot load out since rundown 7 released?
dry pumice
Any updates to recommended bot load out since rundown 7 released?
Nope, still same concept. No high risk / high reward weaponry. Something that got lots of ammo to burn and bots can spam violently. So pretty much PDW / Carbine + Machine Gun
halcyon cosmos
is the event to get the the paramilitary looking armor set still going on and if so, could i repeat the same mission multiple times?
grizzled widget
nope, ended the 6th.
distant citrus
What does sleeper meat taste like
winged turtle
tanned long pig
distant citrus
hm
supple robin
is there a way to practice the ||bio section of the last reactor code from e1||? I have cleared already but want to practice for the future. getting one attempt every hour or so at the expense of 3 other players time doesn't feel good.
wary linden
no checkpoint in E tier
what is the bio section you struggle in general?
stealth during code 4?
supple robin
i was wondering if there was a mod like scout playground. but yeah i dont see how you can reliably stealth it with ||random room spawns and scouts, and do you just pull every room on the way back when the tank spawns||?
wary linden
at that point you are suppose to know how to stealth properly fast enough through rooms
so just practice stealth movement in other mission. go into a level that is packed and learn how to properly move between enemies
what you can get away with and stuff
you don't need to be practicing the E1 part exactly. you can find similar parts in other levels too
supple robin
flashlight syncing makes each mobs next alert state occur at the same time right?
wary linden
yes, but you can also use movement to do that
supple robin
honestly movement seems better
flashlight will randomly not work
also pulsing seems to happen sometimes even when i think i dont do anything to bring them from glowing to pulsing
wary linden
you can also keep in mind to check what is the fastest path to take when you are on your way to the reactor and have no stress timer. like this you know what to expect when you have to go back for the code
supple robin
feel like syncing was easier when i played last in rundown 2
wary linden
i wouldn'T say much changed about it
soft crater
light sync-ing movement iirc hasn't really been touched
aside from that you get a slowed down affect walking through them now and hammer light taps can't oneshot strikers in the occi anymore
weary mesa
Only thing that I know that has change is that alerts from one room can cause long range alert to a different subzone/room or zone
Used to stop a door and sound barriers
weary mesa
No not that
When you kill and another has a the rng chance to wake up, that can now happen past doors and sound barriers
soft crater
that shouldn't happen btw
maybe in unique tiles
but otherwise it is not intentional or some weird bug/desync bug
wary linden
it makes more sense though. why have an invisible wall that stops that if the door is open
soft crater
if the doors are open then yes.
soft crater
theres many patchnotes but an idea of when in R6?
soft crater
hm
shrugs more sense anyhow but the general stealth hasn't changed aside from that
most players don't really take advantage of conjoined areas without a door anyhow
or security doors that cannot be closed
neon gust
Bug fix section
No
weary mesa
What did he mean by this
brittle mural
No
weary mesa
ok
worn flax
how do you inv friends?
distant citrus
you have to be friends on steam
then start a lobby
and shift+tab and right click on their name
u should be able to inv to lobby
minor fractal
how do you inv friends?
Can also send them the lobby code. When you open a lobby, red button in top right. See #how-to-matchmake
verbal zinc
How do you kill the big guys?
dapper compass
light hammer tap between the cheeks, they gets so flustered they leave
spark wolf
How do you kill the big guys?
cfoam them and then shoot them with the sniper
soft crater
Cfoam teammates when
winged turtle
based
weary mesa
based
counter permafoaming by permafoaming the permafoamer
mb didn't mean to reply
omegalul
wary linden
legit c-foam should only reduce the amount of dmg the door receive in a % way so the door would always take some dmg until it blows up, c-foam or not .. not act as a full shield until none is left
then you would keep the re c-foam a thing but remove permafoam
dapper compass
When will we have greasy doors where c-foam slips down to the floor
weary mesa
When we get Cooking in the Complex with Calle
wanton rampart
Are there rewards for completing PE ? or can i do Secondary and Overload separately and still get all rewards ?
craggy pier
Are there rewards for completing PE ? or can i do Secondary and Overload separat...
yes u can do them separately PE's only reward is the completion number on ur rundown screen
wanton rampart
Is this kind of message appropriate in the lfg channel or do i have to put only one obejective ?
LF3 B3(SECONDARY and/or OVERLOAD)
icy cave
Is this kind of message appropriate in the lfg channel or do i have to put only ...
Up to you to decide what you want to play. Most people will prefer to go for PE or only main.
north dawn
do you lose the booster you used after you complete a mission? do you save it if you exit early?
cobalt pollen
you lose your booster after certain amount of time when starting the mission
after spawning in, wait until you see the first "server sync" on bottom right, thats when the booster is officially registered as used
upper cobalt
I have all the minimum requirements to play this game except for a cpu, I have a i5-2400 and I see that GTFO requires a i5-2500k
Could I still run the game with 60fps? Is there a way to see how my PC will react to GTFO (I dont own it yet)
icy cave
do you lose the booster you used after you complete a mission? do you save it if...
It is gone, does not matter if you win or lose
dusky tiger
There is a short period of time when u start the level
Whenever its saying syncing lobby or whatever
Or maybe that's old info
floral acorn
should still be 30 seconds of remorse window, once serversync comes up and goes away, boosters commited..
winged turtle
but treating boosters like anything other candy is a path of ruin and heart break
i started using them just to waste them. if its a meme, it can't betray me
icy cave
i started using them just to waste them. if its a meme, it can't betray me
I never use them. They are insignificant.
Somehow people think that boosters are vital, it's insane.
wise zinc
how many meters is "is close to enemy" and "enemy distance"
dapper compass
if you put your cursor on the condition I think it tells you
enemy distance is 20m
ally distance is 7 or 8
and I think close to enemy is about 5 or 7
craggy pier
Hey guys I just got this game and I'm on the first level, it's telling me to find a terminal but I can't find it at all
icy cave
Hey guys I just got this game and I'm on the first level, it's telling me to fin...
Go to Z44
icy cave
Zone 44
icy cave
There is only one other big blue door in that room
And it says on the doors to which zones the door leads
icy cave
there are like 3 rooms
the big room where scheffer started speaking
There is two big blue doors
one is locked
the other one is not
and has a Z44 on the left corner of it
craggy pier
I dont have audio on for voices
craggy pier
bruh
icy cave
bruh
there is only two of them. And the area is super small. Can't be that hard m8
🙄 from the spawn: head straight ahead, open door, turn left, bingo
craggy pier
I already figured it out
now im just trying to get a KEY_WHITE_95
but none of the computers accept it or whatever
it says zone 47
But I only have 43-45
dry pumice
look closer on the doors - they should say where they lead also
something like
ZONE 43
Leads to zones 44a, 44b, 45, 47....
DRC - Door Reading Comprehension
icy cave
But I only have 43-45
You are not searching very well, there are two more doors in that big room. One to Z46 and one to Z47
If the key for you is in Z47 that's the way to go
small escarp
quick question about one of the boosters. the MUTED DEX - SGU-SR says "EFFECTS: SR SENTRY DAMAGE"
what does SR stand for?
does it work for all sentries?
dusky tiger
Iirc SR stands for short range
small escarp
ahh gotcha
small escarp
Iirc SR stands for short range
@dusky tiger so it can be applied to any sentry basically
minor fractal
<@638147917684670485> so it can be applied to any sentry basically
Yes.
dusky tiger
sorry about not replying
but yea what rayalot said
small escarp
@minor fractal @dusky tiger gotcha, thanks! :)
dusky tiger
go git em
craggy pier
hey guys
"Clear any four expeditions to complete the set of a backpack, vest, and pants. A red palette is also available as the fourth reward if the green only makes your teammates startled and trigger happy."
ive completed everything
can i still get these camos
north dawn
are you able to rejoin a game session if someone dc's
cobalt pollen
if you have the lobby code, yes
go to settings, look at left side, click on copy lobby id to clipboard
orchid bramble
What is the best weapon for crowd control? Im currently using the Assault rifle and the Sniper, but i feel like the assault rifle doesn't do enough damage. Any suggestions?
cobalt pollen
machinegun special
orchid bramble
how bout a alternative for the assault
cobalt pollen
pdw, carbine, smg, bullpup
never treat main as a weapon to kill
you're just burning ammo by doing that
orchid bramble
so should i change the snier out?
i thought it was good in terms of killing chargers and bigs
cobalt pollen
it only 1 shots at the back of the head
and it'd be better off using it for mobs with higher health pool
wary linden
got it thx
Sniper headshot kills Giants and hybrids if hit in the head. Chargers have no head weakness multiplier so it is meh. Bosses enemy are also dealt quickly with a good sniper.
As for primary. There are some primaries that kill with great success. They just have low clip and less ammo overall. Hel rev, DMR, Pistol if used well within its limitation are some of them
Weapons with high crowd control in special slot would be like revolver, machine gun, Har, pump shotgun, precision rifle (long range crowd control as the slow reload is not good for close combat) and hcp (Jack of all trade so not the most ammo efficient)
jagged shore
for the survive sections in the other dimension or whatever, like for b3 secondary, can you succeed if someone is downed?
gentle oracle
yes
tranquil arch
there is also an extremely easy cheese spot for those sections
pulsar herald
Imagine using cheese spot
neon plaza
imagine not utilizing your environment
wary linden
Imagine using your environment to reach areas where you know the AI can't attack you
calm flax
Can someone rank the levels from easiest to hardest (separating Main, Secondary, Overload, and PE)?
dapper compass
A1, B1, B2, C1, B3/D1, C2, D2, C3, E1 for me, just generally
dry pumice
Can someone rank the levels from easiest to hardest (separating Main, Secondary,...
After thinking about it long and hard I think it's pretty much self-explanatory. It's exactly the same order as the game gives them.
Only "maybes" is that there's an argument to be made that E1 could easier than D main, and that I find C3 secondary and overload easier than those of C2.
The main of C3 is worse than C2 by a mile, so I can't say which PE is worse.
calm flax
After thinking about it long and hard I think it's pretty much self-explanatory....
I suppose I was more curious about how the PEs stack up
Is C3 PE comparable to say, E1?
dry pumice
No, I think E1 is easier. Probably. I got carried through it, so it felt like a very hard B level to me, and so my opinion on it is not very objective.
There's 2-3 gimmick solutions that basically completely counter that level.
wooden osprey
E1 is easy if you get all the right cards
calm flax
No, I think E1 is easier. Probably. I got carried through it, so it felt like a ...
So I know numbers are usually small increment of difficulty and letters are big increment, do PE usually make a level much harder?
I know B2 secondary felt so much more exhausting than B2 main
wooden osprey
So I know numbers are usually small increment of difficulty and letters are big ...
yes
thats their objective
other than C2
C2 extreme*
C2 extreme is connected to main
so its not that hard
dry pumice
B2 secondary is exhausting only because its 2000 rooms of stealth through shadows
wooden osprey
unless you are really really bad at killing moms
dry pumice
There are more fun secondaries. Quicker too.
calm flax
And what would you guys say the longest level in R7 is
cobalt pollen
c2 feels longest to me
dry pumice
Definetely either C2 PE or C3 PE
calm flax
Not counting checkpoint reloads?
Assuming you just one shot it ye
cobalt pollen
c3pe doesnt feel as long as c2pe tbh
dry pumice
To be fair C3 main objective is mandatory 50 minutes either way.
calm flax
D1 looks like it could be really short if you did the back to back pain scans
hardy grotto
c2 really drags on
cobalt pollen
you have 2 timers back to back
vital sierra
50 minutes is already good enough\
dry pumice
Stealth
vital sierra
back then we have about 3 - 5 hours a level
calm flax
30....?
cobalt pollen
20 minutes
calm flax
Wtf
cobalt pollen
not 30
cobalt pollen
door just gradually unlocks as the timer progresses
dry pumice
Heh. My average level playthrough is 70-80 minutes
vital sierra
at best, 2 hours
dapper compass
idk E1 is mostly hard due to how easy can people strain resources and how, if no cheese involved, a single fuckup can kill the run right away or remove such a huge amount of resources that your failure is guaranteed down the line
cobalt pollen
c3 is just long because of back to back timers that lock doors
e1 is hard if you just have bad teammates
just boils down to how dumb your teammates are and how good they can manage resources
calm flax
Lol
neon plaza
I mag dump the unkillable creature just to prove a point
dry pumice
Lul
neon plaza
I mean I beat it so something worked
wooden osprey
the first time i saw the immortal i laughed so hard
didn't even try to shoot it tbh was just laughing at it sliding around
and looking like a floppy tank
neon plaza
it looks undercooked and poisoned
dry pumice
It looks like a heart from certain angles
wooden osprey
i rather have greg than the immortal right now
dry pumice
I think we just need more of them
neon plaza
unkillable giant charger when?
hardy grotto
unkillable giant charger would be highly comical
wooden osprey
unkillable giant charger when?
mod support
neon plaza
*mod support*
shhhhh I know abt it already
cobalt pollen
charger tank
wooden osprey
i mean greg is a unkillable giant charger
cobalt pollen
charger tank that can snatch people and scream for waves
soft crater
Immortal Baby*
Fast Unkillable lil shit that'll keep annoying you unlike the stupid ai Pablo
neon plaza
immortal snatcher with increased aggro?
cobalt pollen
shadow snatcher
soft crater
Snatcher but it has no limit on how many of us it can grab
dry pumice
shadow snatcher
Remove invincible areas and it'll be alright
neon plaza
add more invincible areas
soft crater
Remove invincible areas and it'll be alright
Make it unpingable by the bio tracker and we Gucci
cobalt pollen
immortal snatcher
dry pumice
That'll be horrible
neon plaza
immortal snatcher
I feel like I said something fairly similar, but good idea
wary linden
back then we have about 3 - 5 hours a level
No level last that long even in older rundowns... People just were bad back then similar to how there is people that takes 4-5 hours for an r7 level. If you would replay them now you'd probably finish them in an hour and half max
wooden osprey
No level last that long even in older rundowns... People just were bad back then...
well guess we find out when older rundowns become DLCs
neon plaza
but how much per rundown?
if I have to pay I probably won't buy them
cos I'm broke
af
24/7
icy cave
No level last that long even in older rundowns... People just were bad back then...
R5D1ex would like to have a word with you
craggy pier
4-5 hours 😂
icy cave
4-5 hours 😂
It happens m8. we had a a team that spent 7 hours on C1 then came here to complain
wary linden
R5D1ex would like to have a word with you
r5d1 extreme takes less time then r5c2pe
what are you even on about
icy cave
r5d1 extreme takes less time then r5c2pe
R5C2PE is also longer than 1.5 hr
wary linden
you can do it in an hour and half
a reactor that last around 30 min, and main isn't that long
overload is 5 min
it can takes 2 hours sure if you are taking your time
but it can be done in less time
people were taking 3 hours in r4c2pe... yet the level can be done in less then 50 min
craggy pier
I have done r5c2pe in 1 hour 20 something mins with a trio
Sounds to me, you made a trip back to extreme to get more resources because 16-20 uses/12-15 uses of ammo + 4/5med is somehow not enough for 1 shadow alarm, 1 class 5 and 2 surges
Plus don't forget you have at least 7 cfoam and mines at your disposal even after using let's say 4 of each on ex + ovl
wary linden
People really just don't remember how bad they were back then.
soft crater
wary linden
Nothing clown about it. People have more experience now then they had back then. If you didnt improve with that time then you have an issue as a player :P
mossy aurora
Don't you think experience in R6 and R7 is not nearly as educational/valuable as in R4 or R5 though?
craggy pier
Can the new monster type be slowed with foam
icy cave
Can the new monster type be slowed with foam
Nope, but it can be slowed with bullets 😏
craggy pier
Thanks we are really struggling with C1 trying to come up with a strategy.
scarlet prairie
Just gotta shoot them. They'll stagger and run away. If they're the issue, your group isn't giving them the respect they deserve.
craggy pier
We are not that good so we're looking for advantages haha thanks though
wooden osprey
We are not that good so we're looking for advantages haha thanks though
Very very good tip on snatchers: put a mine on the ground if you have any and stand behind it
when the snatcher comes and you are behind the mine it will automatically stagger cause mine does enough stagger damage
ps: dont stand directly on or close to the mine just make sure snatcher goes over it
scarlet prairie
I'm curious how that'd be helpful on C1. That sounds like a strat for later encounters, where you're not glued to a scan point.
wooden osprey
or grab a shotgun and 1v1 the mf
craggy pier
remember you just need to do 40 damage to stagger, 5 hel revolver shots is enough
2 hel revolver + 1 shotgun/choke mod/high caliber
1 sniper
I can show you simple snatcher takedowns/staggers
dry pumice
Snatchers are at their weakest right as they are about to attack, as they open up their fleshy stomach.
Get your hardest hitting weapon and shoot him in the gutters.
pseudo kettle
Is there an Xbox port?
dry pumice
No.
wooden osprey
pump shotgun best shotgun
also it can run and shoot at the same time most of the times
so its great for chasing
wooden osprey
I think clips are stronger than hollow words
we all should fallow your example on this tbh
wary linden
Don't you think experience in R6 and R7 is not nearly as educational/valuable as...
idk. pubs were overusing kiting back then for everything.. they never were force to learn shit except run in circle. that was what pubs were teaching other pubs. R6-7 actually force people to think a bit.. even though some of it's content is a tad easier.
wary linden
you were still force to adapt your gameplay overall in these past rundowns
rigid sinew
Don't you think experience in R6 and R7 is not nearly as educational/valuable as...
Would argue it's now more educational since you can learn a lot more way faster due to the player base evolving in general, but in return that makes is sort of less valuable I guess
rough beacon
How do scouts react to sleepers around them waking up? Because I know they will scream I just don't exactly understand the mechanic that causes them to
Is it the sleeper accidentally entering its feelers? Or the sleeper screaming?
spark wolf
if the scout is very close to it, it will alert the scout
the same way that it would alert another sleeper
rigid sinew
can confirm by accident 
rough beacon
Like how far?
rough beacon
Ahh okay
mossy aurora
Would argue it's now more educational since you can learn a lot more way faster ...
You probably can learn the basics a lot faster than back then, but if you're trying to get as close to the ceiling as possible I think the levels you have to work with now aren't as helpful
turbid horizon
If you’re within it’s tentacle range, generally watch out, because if something wakes up it’ll be hard to get to
rigid sinew
in general, all hard alerts will wake up a scout except for running
turbid horizon
And jump iirc or is jump not hard alert
spark wolf
boss enemy introduction this rundown 
rigid sinew
You probably can learn the basics a lot faster than back then, but if you're try...
meh, can't really argue on that since I play more modded than I play vanilla
rough beacon
Alright thanks so much
rigid sinew
And jump iirc or is jump not hard alert
only if it's in sprint state
and it's falling rather than jumping
turbid horizon
Oh so bhop
spark wolf
nothing about movement wakes up the scout on its own
rigid sinew
only if it's in sprint state
I'm stupid and I forgot to remark that I'm referring that only sprint and falling on sprint state count as hard alerts in general
rigid sinew
wary linden
You probably can learn the basics a lot faster than back then, but if you're try...
if people were not cheesing everything. they would learn
rigid sinew
based
wary linden
but it can also stink a lot
neon plaza
that's true
turbid horizon
🤨
winged turtle
everything in moderation
neon plaza
I don't have a great sense of smell so I don't really pick it up
wary linden
gotta love phones
vital sierra
No level last that long even in older rundowns... People just were bad back then...
rundown 4, C2, main and extreme
that map is long and it took experience people at least 1 hour to beat main
wary linden
ok.. but i have a pub r4C2PE that lasted 50 min
and that wasn't even the fastest one i did
i joined during the r4extenstion time period.. so i had a lot less knowledge too back then and was way worst at the game... yet somehow it was still possible to achieve
🤷
just split the team in all of the zones for main. the map goes 4 times faster 🙂
dusky tiger
Here's hoping the experience from half of r5 and entirety of r6 and r7 allow me to perform somewhat well
In the older ones
wary linden
stamina doesn't change much
tranquil arch
it really does
proper kiting becomes possible
and you can also bunnyhop rooms still
wary linden
you never NEEDED to kite in old rundowns.. everything is possible without kiting. people will just have to actually adapt and learn now instead of relying on kiting
mossy aurora
stamina didnt remove bhop, those were different changes
wary linden
stamina also didn'T remove kiting 😛
it change legit nothing to people who learned how to use it properly
mossy aurora
eh it depends on what type of kiting though, you cant circle kite a group of 20 sleeprs while your team finishes the scans anymore type of kiting
wary linden
that is not true
you can still do it by walking and feeding a bit of sprint here and there
mossy aurora
i would like to see a clip of it
wary linden
people just can't be braindead anymore
dusky tiger
Infinite stamina was convenient if anything
It's like I could run back to evac
Reasonable considering the workout these bois get everyday
Or every drop
soft crater
stamina complaints but more like if they add checkpoints/More supplies to fit the current
:/
dusky tiger
Make checkpoint restarts randomize everything
Box locations etc
That would fix most of the issues with them
But apparently that's really hard so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
let's not forget the bugs
vital sierra
That would fix most of the issues with them
or create more problem
dusky tiger
Not if done well I guess
I just like checkpoints cuz it saves time
I can see how it makes the game easier but I'll take convenience over minor loss of challenge nowadays
vital sierra
same with not randomize everything
wary linden
"saves time"
dusky tiger
Dunno about you
But it has for the group of friends played with
vital sierra
the argument of "If done right" is very bad
wary linden
A lot of people are too stuborn to reset when they should and will make the level last longer instead by failing multiple times in a row
dusky tiger
Or devs
vital sierra
well, you can put that on everything
Cyberpunk 2077 would have been better, if done right
dusky tiger
A lot of people are too stuborn to reset when they should and will make the leve...
Eh
Havent encountered that yet besides my first c3 pe run
vital sierra
"This feature would be great, if done right"
wary linden
Eh
Havent encountered that yet besides my first c3 pe run
There is also the toxic mentality of "let's wipe guys!" To reset checkpoint because 1 thing went wrong
dusky tiger
There is also the toxic mentality of "let's wipe guys!" To reset checkpoint beca...
pls not again
vital sierra
you don't know if a feature it's "done right"
wary linden
People would rather wipe instead of trying to salvage a run is sad. Feels like part of the charm of the game is lost
dusky tiger
I have encountered that with a few people
But then tend to leave once they realize noones gonna reset over a minor mistake
Makes our job easier
vital sierra
People would rather wipe instead of trying to salvage a run is sad. Feels like p...
they ruin the game themself, not like it's the devs fault
but @dusky tiger suggestion into play
dusky tiger
Hm?
wary linden
There are some who will shoot the team or force a wipe in other ways
vital sierra
what if checkpoint randomize everything
well, people either wouldn't use checkpoint
or they just leave
since it's not an "advantage" anymore
dusky tiger
I would like think having have the level done and being able to respawn there
vital sierra
anything that's good for the player, they consider it good
anything that's NOT good for the player, they will dislike it
dusky tiger
Especially if the previous bit is lengthy or extremely difficult would be a reward in it of its itself
vital sierra
"why would either use checkpoint if everything gonna randomize?"
neon gust
How about you checkpoint some bitches
vital sierra
How about you checkpoint some bitches
no
dusky tiger
dies of death
neon gust
thats what i thought
