my only bot has scattergun
#gtfo-related-questions
neon plaza
dusky tiger
Getting especially lucky with the pellet spread with a buddy and seeing it die in 2 hits
Glorious
neon plaza
scattergun was busted even after nerf
dusky tiger
Sorta
Felt like I was shooting people with a nerd super soaker from any respectable distance
wooden osprey
scattergun was busted even after nerf
it was less effective
dusky tiger
I had to be hugging giants effectively
R6 sniper rifle was so damn good
So much ammo
neon plaza
I had to be hugging giants effectively
and I hug giants
neon plaza
maybe
dusky tiger
Meanwhile hybrid
neon plaza
but 20hp comes in clutch
dusky tiger
Tanks 2 scatter shots
Lives to tell the tale
R5 c1 should be interesting to play through again
Maybe I'll finally git gud like older players ;p
dusky tiger
R1 d1s ending was fairly intense
It was panic inducing
Comms just went
"Ayo the waves not ending,we've killed a fuck ton"
sees even more spawn
The whole squad panic runs to the evac zone
neon plaza
i got D1 done with less than 24 hours left in the rundown
i think
def within the last week
dusky tiger
I used uh non vanilla means to play r1 and r3
And r2 upto d tier
Not doing that with bots and limited stamina
neon plaza
stamina in general hits like a truck
dusky tiger
It would have been good for anti kiting if it worked
looks at the gtfo solo youtubers
dusky tiger
Or yknow just speed up enemy attack animations when they miss like everyone else says so
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
neon plaza
or like
dusky tiger
Sped up tank
neon plaza
just make enemies better
dusky tiger
Didnt strikers have a melee attack or sumthin
In older rundownsM
Like non tongue melee attack
neon plaza
maybe in beta, but not in R1+
dusky tiger
Ah
neon plaza
what if
enemy overhaul instead of new enemy per rundown?
make them smarter
bc they function rn
but if they had brains
or fix multiplayer issues
i like both ideas
dapper compass
R1 had crawling enemies right ?
I remember seeing solo reactor missions where they would spawncap with crawling enemies that were slow as fuck
or was it pre R1
not crawling, headless sorry
neon plaza
not crawling, headless sorry
i don't think they were in rng, but you could make them headless
dapper compass
Yeah they wouldn't spawn like that
neon plaza
you could have headless shooters
vital sierra
crawling enemy has since Alpha
headless shooter exist
and dismemberment enemy (only the head) exist in Alpha -> R1
dapper compass
yeah, I rewatched a solo C1 run by Spartan and it's pretty broken
icy cave
I saw 2 yesterday and I was like wtf. Completely forgot about it
neon gust
and dismemberment enemy (only the head) exist in Alpha -> R1
Wachu mean you killed the shooter and its shooting without its head!?!?!
dusky tiger
Speedy roof crawling enemies might be good
Sprinkle in some extra suffering why not
soft crater
ceiling crawling enemies that shoot at you
drowsy hawk
how many scans are in the charger scan before the first checkpoint in d1
distant citrus
how many scans are in the charger scan before the first checkpoint in d1
10 if you dont do the thing
5 if you do
drowsy hawk
what is the thing
distant citrus
after the checkpoint theres a stealth section where you can lower the class of the alarm
drowsy hawk
we cant even get to the checkpoint because the terminal alarm right before it
the one with charger waves
distant citrus
theres another checkpoint off to the left
distant citrus
behind that door there's some stealth, which can reduce the charger waves for the checkpoint later
drowsy hawk
we got like 9 scans done before we ran out of ammo and lost
distant citrus
theres a terminal you can use i think? my group just did the 10 waves of chargers
drowsy hawk
me and my group have failed it like 3 times now
distant citrus
just do the other checkpoint first
drowsy hawk
10 scans is rough without boosters
distant citrus
should be in the room with the scouts and the chargers and the shadows
drowsy hawk
yeah i know which door your talking about
i thought i checked that the first time i did it
i guess i didnt
distant citrus
you could also do the checkpoint and then try the 10 charger waves a few times
drowsy hawk
yeah
we just didnt realize the checkpoint was unlocked since there is the checkpoint behind the charger section
distant citrus
yeah its kinda confusing
wary linden
if you did the error alarm and running out of resource in the class X charger scan... idk what to say except you are clearly wasting stuff.. it gives you enough resources to do that class X with ease
drowsy hawk
we had full resource and some to spare
wary linden
you have just enough with no booster to do both class X in a row... so if you do error alarm you get more resources overall... for a single class X
drowsy hawk
its a matter of tool running out near the end of the scan and trying to survive the end of the wave
not everyone dedicates there lives to shooter games like you
wary linden
just don't ping as much if you use sniper sentry
or only deploy mid scan one sentry
counter the fact that it shoot too fast now
c-foam the ground a bit with grenades.. they aren't useful
drowsy hawk
its clearly not intended to do 10 scans
wary linden
huh no. they give player choice just like r6d1
r6d1 you could do something similar and skip the reactor and stealth section
drowsy hawk
yeah and you can do c1 with the fog up
just because its optional doesnt mean its intended
noble sierra
You can do both class X in a row? The resource is kinda too tight
wary linden
if it wasn't intended they would lock the door behind a subobjective tied to main
wary linden
You can do both class X in a row? The resource is kinda too tight
i did it once. was really fun and every shot matters
drowsy hawk
sure thing bud
mossy aurora
can you do a run doing both class X in a row without kiting at all and upload it? i want to see the ammo management
drowsy hawk
can you do a run doing both class X in a row without kiting at all and upload it...
that is what we where going to do if no one awnsered me
wary linden
can you do a run doing both class X in a row without kiting at all and upload it...
shadow class X you do end up kiting a bit but that's mainly because they spread out everywhere in the room.. but you don't long kite it.. you only regroup in a corner to bunch them all together to make scan easier.. you shouldn't shoot that much to begin with with that one. you only shoot when you are on scan and defend the scans by staggering
charger class X you stagger them and leave sentries do their work .. you don't kill most of them. if you know which are weak. you end them so sniper sentry doesn't waste a shot
but you do have enough resources to do both without any long kiting.. you stay in the room where the scans are for both
drowsy hawk
so abusing spawn mechanics is intended kek
wary linden
snatchers still spawns you know
you have to find a way to keep ammo to whale on those massive hp sponge
if you bring provision you can probably shoot the whole thing
but that is also player choice ๐
noble sierra
Fair, perhaps try it some other day
drowsy hawk
fuck that
wary linden
i did it prior to sniper sentry bio symbiosis. without snatcher cheese
now you probably need to deploy a sentry during the last part of charger class X (so save it for that last part)_
else it's gonna consume all the tool to fast
noble sierra
You can't do it prior to bio-symbiosis?
wary linden
no that's when i did it
now with bio-symbiosis, it consume ammo faster
so you probably need to save a sentry for the end of the 2nd class X
noble sierra
I mean bio-symbiosis with sniper sentry came out with R7
wary linden
not the ultra cracked sniper sentry shooting almost instantly
that was in a r7 patch
noble sierra
They later enhanced the sniper sentry, but not sure if it's really a buff when bio-symbiosis
wary linden
not really. it kills too much.. making it last less longer overall
it was way more consistant when it was shooting less stuff
noble sierra
Agree, only D2 benefits from it
Otherwise you usually want to balance your tool/ammo consumption
drowsy hawk
there needs to be a objective that says something about lowering the scan count for the alarm as a optional
noble sierra
There is
drowsy hawk
i am at that point atm and dont have one
drowsy hawk
i am and dont seem to have a option to reduce security
the checkpoint dont unlock until you open 193
what the fuck
noble sierra
I'm sure there's objective message when I played, but not gonna surprise it's not consistent considering how D1 is bugged/unfinished. Mind share a screenshot?
Oh, so you're not IN Z193
drowsy hawk
we are
wary linden
the 2nd optional sidezones with checkpoint opens once the bridge is open so either class X shadow is done or error and bridge open and done
drowsy hawk
there is optional disable security in zone 199 but we already did that
d1 is buggy af man
wary linden
always has been
north dawn
i'm finally getting back into GTFO and have some friends who got addicted to the challenge of the game, but we're sad we cant do previous rundown's for more content. will it ever be an option? it's a shame to have had worked on all that content just to delete it.
waxen jetty
theyre remaking them or smth but you can play old rundowns still
north dawn
fr fr? how?
north dawn
i can't think of any reasons why they'd hate people playing the content they spent hundreds of hours working on, but haps
some things in life will always remain a mystery
wary linden
i can't think of any reasons why they'd hate people playing the content they spe...
would you be proud of showing old bugs and stuff? etc
legit old rundowns are like a different game
north dawn
i've played the first rundown and this current one only. i legit find bugs and glitch spots on my own regardless of the game i play. it doesn't mean i cant have my group of friends and just have a good time brainstorming how to go about the next room of the mission, and feeling good because we've accomplished something together as a team. we sort of pretend it's like raid prog for ffxiv, lol
full sundial
One reason is to keep the already small community focused on one set of levels instead of being spread out amongst 7 rundowns of expeditions, making it even more difficult to find a match if there are that many options. Someone is looking to play rundown 2 expeditions, and will find a match a lot slower than if rundown 2 was the only option to play. Harder to matchmake and LFG, y'know? That's just one reason, but the devs announced they will bring back old rundowns in a future update, in a way that fits their vision. We'll see what they do.
icy cave
there is optional disable security in zone 199 but we already did that
Did you do the Error?
drowsy hawk
Did you do the Error?
we finished the map
icy cave
we finished the map
With ovl I hope
drowsy hawk
it was just really weird because the checkpoint to the stealth section didnt unlock till you went through the other security door
made it confusing
icy cave
it was just really weird because the checkpoint to the stealth section didnt unl...
Yeah it's always like that. Weird but that's normal
drowsy hawk
wasted a few hours because of that repeatedly failing the class x alarm
icy cave
wasted a few hours because of that repeatedly failing the class x alarm
The 2nd one you mean?
icy cave
Well you got it in the end ๐
drowsy hawk
not on overload tho
icy cave
not on overload tho
drop back in !
drowsy hawk
the bugs where to fucking abundant to the point the map was already unplayable at times
overload aint worth the effort
for the end section we also took around 30 minutes to draw a map with all terminal numbers, made that shit easy af
icy cave
overload aint worth the effort
It is not that special
dapper compass
if the stars align we might might get D1 fixed
dapper compass
for the end section we also took around 30 minutes to draw a map with all termin...
I do that everytime 
drowsy hawk
It is not that special
yeah but running weapons that where good for snatchers was fucking us when it came to ammo for 10 scans
icy cave
When frustration is down
drowsy hawk
we didnt realize we could do a class v instead of class x until after we decided to say fuck it on overload
icy cave
yeah but running weapons that where good for snatchers was fucking us when it ca...
We did the Error and sneaking and had ammo for days !
dapper compass
You don't need good weapons to deal with snatchers specifically tbh, they're not that dangerous as long as you have info on their position
icy cave
Yeah next time
dapper compass
one guy with snatcher dealing weapons is enough
dusky tiger
Not a single pub I've been in has gone through the dual class X alarms
Oh
I was looking at older messages
drowsy hawk
its basically impossible without extreme planning in advance to do it kek
or being good as shit at shooting
dusky tiger
Mfw I see 3 snatchers per 4 mins
But we're half way through the level so fuck it might aswell finish it
drowsy hawk
but yeah the bugs on d1 really kill the fun of the level
dusky tiger
I didnt mind the snatchers as much as the bugs
Everyone kept crashing and stuff
dusky tiger
I havent experienced the class x route fully
drowsy hawk
i havent either because the class x charger scan is so god damn hard
dusky tiger
When I was originally attempting it and was clueless I accidentally triggered the charger class x and got mad shit for it
It isnt terrible,kinda ammo draining but you can go to the tank or mother zone and get sum stuffs
If you dont wake em up that is
drowsy hawk
we didnt realize the checkpoint unlocks once you open the bridge so we wasted 4 hours redoing the map over and over again since we assumed that checkpoint door after the bridge was where we where supposed to go
no objective or anything pointed us to the other checkpoint door
dusky tiger
Every checkpoint that wasnt right at the reactor always caused the hosts game to crash
In my experience
Shit was wack
drowsy hawk
to add to the pain, the map takes several minutes to load for the drop sequence
dusky tiger
That too
I dunno if the game was more optimized in r5 or whatever
But whenever u redropped into a level it loaded faster
drowsy hawk
i am glad we did not do overload while running main blind
i dont think we would have finished tonight
dusky tiger
my singular completion is overload
Never again
I wish I was pre patch overload gang
But alas,pain
drowsy hawk
overload on that map makes me not wanna finish the rundown simply because the map is so damn broken
this shit was way to common
we saw that glitch around 8+ times today
dusky tiger
The way to mitigate multiple snatchers is to have everyone but the host DC and then host puts in the command
If you didnt know that
drowsy hawk
good to know
dusky tiger
Yea cuz apparently its desync that causes multiple snatchers to spawn
No players,no desync
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Might be annoying for the host to fight the snatcher for a bit
drowsy hawk
dont spoil whats in the levels but what should we do next, c2 eff, c3, or d2
which of those are the least difficult
dusky tiger
Its hellish but you get used to it
Main is ok
Overload is fine
Extreme makes it kinda annoying
If anything main and overload together are quite fun
drowsy hawk
its such a good melee skill check
icy cave
D2 is shortest will say that
drowsy hawk
me and my team are already becoming experts at killing charger scouts without foam
dusky tiger
Fuck
That's pretty neat
I havent managed to pull it off
flashbacks to 5 charger scouts going off in r6 d2
hel gun save me
drowsy hawk
its hard but its extremely doable
you need near perfect sync
its doable with 2 people but 3 or even 4 people make it waay easier
drowsy hawk
we stealth killed every charger scout in d1 and only set off 1 of them
dusky tiger
I think a fully charged hit adds like half a second before it screams
drowsy hawk
one of the player only has 20 hours aswell kek
dusky tiger
There were charger scouts in d1?
I genuinely cant remember
drowsy hawk
yeah
drowsy hawk
most of ours where after the key
drowsy hawk
we had a room with a charger scout and 2 normal scouts which was fun
dusky tiger
I just ran past them all the one time they key was in there
Lock melters are clutch when one of them is near a normal locked door
drowsy hawk
It is crazy how fast my friends have gotten good at this game
drowsy hawk
one of them picked it up and put 20 hours in
he is killing charger scouts with me in perfect sync
dusky tiger
Meanwhile I was being a bumbling dumbass trying to figure out the different enemy types in r5
I guess I've become too reliant on c-foam
drowsy hawk
It was funny we had another guy in vc who tried telling us to just foam the scouts
and we where like "we just got a checkpoint lets just melee them"
then we never foamed them unless forced
dusky tiger
Meanwhile I was being a bumbling dumbass trying to figure out the different enem...
When we first saw chargers and found out one hit to the front cant kill them,we just duod them
But one day someone accidentally hit em in the back and it one shot them
It was a fucking revelation
drowsy hawk
back shots where not one shotting for us
we needed two people with a back shot to kill
or 3 on the front
dusky tiger
I'm talkin regular chargers ;p
drowsy hawk
ooh that makes sense
dusky tiger
But yea
We felt really silly for a bit
But it was a big brain moment at the same time
Giant chargers were and still are a cancer
drowsy hawk
prob similar to how my team felt when we realized we didnt have to do a class x alarm
drowsy hawk
Giant chargers were and still are a cancer
i havent seen any as sleepers yet so im not to bothered
dusky tiger
mmm
dusky tiger
Meleeing them is the same as normal big chargers
Although they just leap forwards a bit when hit
drowsy hawk
we had like 9 chargers right in front of the entrance on our b3 run so it was literally impossible to stealth that area
dusky tiger
we just shot up that room tho
Normally shot it
In some cases i killed all the chargers near the door and stairs in stealth
Sent 1 guy to pick up the crate while the others are at the pre loaded hsu
Worked out fairly well
But normally we just shoot it
drowsy hawk
that b3 last section with overload took my team around 3-4 hours
the rest of the level took us around a hour and a half
drowsy hawk
we struggled so much with it for no fucking reason
dusky tiger
Honestly I've had my most deaths due to running out of ammo or not being able to kite in the 3rd extreme teleport
drowsy hawk
on the attempt we beat it we had tons of extra hp and resources
dusky tiger
we struggled so much with it for no fucking reason
Tbf having your firepower dumbed down to 2 from 3 hurts when the fog has chargers and regulars
also being shot by your own sniper sentry is fantastic
drowsy hawk
we just stopped running sniper for that reason
its fun but burst is usually more well rounded and less likely to end your run
dusky tiger
I ran a cursed setup of sniper and shotgun sentry
dusky tiger
its fun but burst is usually more well rounded and less likely to end your run
Double burst c2 ftw
Lasts so long
drowsy hawk
cfoam was the wrong call for d1
easily could have done the whole map without cfoam
and just used the nades
4 burst sentries or 3 burst and a biotracker would have been plenty
dusky tiger
I always had error in pubs so mines were handy
But ive ran 3 bursts for r6 Dx
God bless the bots and their sentries
Held the line
drowsy hawk
burst sentries are just so well rounded
dusky tiger
They are quite nice
drowsy hawk
its always a good option no matter the map basically
dusky tiger
I think the only time I preferred sniper over burst is e1 or d2
drowsy hawk
sniper and shotgun turrets run out of ammo so fast
and cfoam / mines are very niche usecase
id still say cfoam is the best choice for solo tho
dusky tiger
hey I use mines
drowsy hawk
i aint shitting on mines
dusky tiger
I know
drowsy hawk
when it comes to blood doors or instantly killing on a ton of smalls when a door breaks nothing compares
dusky tiger
I put the funny laser on door
I get paid
Simple nuff
I just found the name for the mine deployer to be really cool when I got the game
So I just mained it
;p
drowsy hawk
i found it really neat that mine lazers dont show up on thermals
drowsy hawk
basically ruin mines for anything but doors
dusky tiger
Thankfully its a poorly constructed joke
drowsy hawk
yeah but there is also a melee weapon that cant kill half the enemies in the game and in return you get a faster charge time
i can def see that being a feature in the future
dusky tiger
But
ok I swear to god I think I'm being retardedly dense today
but isn't that just the knife
dusky tiger
hmm
it's ok against chargers in stealth
considering I ran it for E1
Sledge best tho
Nothing beats a good ol smack from it
Ol' reliable
icy cave
knife is worthless against chargers, and basically any large enemy
What do I see??
Subtonix backing off knife???
drowsy hawk
every weapon has some drawback, but knife has such a obscene drawback its unrunable for later levels
dusky tiger
2 hits to back of normal chargers isnt terrible
drowsy hawk
Subtonix backing off knife???
its still the best weapon, its just sad that unless you want to stab a big for 15 minutes its not going to die
dusky tiger
It's a great normal sleeper wave clearer if you arent feeling like shooting too
icy cave
every weapon has some drawback, but knife has such a obscene drawback its unruna...
I am so proud of you ๐ฅฒ
drowsy hawk
It's a great normal sleeper wave clearer if you arent feeling like shooting too
i love it for invis sleepers
dusky tiger
shadows can burn
shadow giants running like big chargers
who then bonk the entire team
is so aids
drowsy hawk
sprinting through the secondary on b2 with knife killing sleeping shadows while everyone watched was fun as shit
missed 1 head out of 20-30
dusky tiger
nice
drowsy hawk
when it comes to clearing smalls its unparalleled
dusky tiger
bat over the knife for me if I have to choose besides the sledge
stagger is ridiculous
:p
drowsy hawk
but there is basically no smalls on anything c tier and up
icy cave
but there is basically no smalls on anything c tier and up
Hence sledge 4 life
dusky tiger
honestly it's still so good
drowsy hawk
sledge is disgusting
dusky tiger
drowsy hawk
it trivializes all the other melee
dusky tiger
Not
icy cave
it trivializes all the other melee
Today you became a man.
drowsy hawk
not today
dusky tiger
I thought some of the others ones are still viable
icy cave
Go and finish the rundown now
drowsy hawk
basically once i started doing maps after b3 overload
dusky tiger
It's a spear,throw it or something
drowsy hawk
you dont have a choice at that point
bat is viable but its basically a less consistant sledge
typically your better of just for sledge since its damage means you dont need the stun
dusky tiger
having the same stagger multi on a no charge hit with a bat as a fully charged sledge hit is quite nice
and it's pretty decent for fast clears
and one tapping locks when the need rarely arises
But yea,when in doubt
sledge
it can't go wrong
dapper compass
tbh locks are a non issue (except in stealth), you quickly get used to running around with charging your melee and constantly reset it
dusky tiger
^
dapper compass
and 40-45% charge of hammer is enough to break a lock
drowsy hawk
i play sledge because no other melee compares not because i like it that way
dusky tiger
it's saved me a couple of time which is surprisig
drowsy hawk
altho knifing scouts will always be fun as shit
icy cave
i play sledge because no other melee compares not because i like it that way
I don't ask of you to like it
dusky tiger
knife the watermelon
dapper compass
Always ready to bonk if something goes awry, always ready to open doors that have a breakable locks if you need to make some space
drowsy hawk
really tho my only complaint with sledge is how short the window is once your fully charged
dusky tiger
I'm gonna be so rusty when r8 arrives
drowsy hawk
with knife its like 20 seconds
dusky tiger
drowsy hawk
cant hold a sledge charge for shit
dusky tiger
which is good
dapper compass
really tho my only complaint with sledge is how short the window is once your fu...
which is why you reset it regularly with right click
dusky tiger
that would make the other weapons even more useless
drowsy hawk
def good
icy cave
cant hold a sledge charge for shit
It would be more OP
drowsy hawk
its the only thing that prevents sledge from making all the other weapons obsolete
hell its the only thing the sledge is bad at
dusky tiger
There's some stamina consumption apparently
but I think it's negligible?
didnt look it up in detail
drowsy hawk
but thats only when meleeing multiple bigs or sprinting while clearing rooms
otherwise stamina basically doesnt exist
dusky tiger
I've seen a knife party just go behind a giant and just stab it to death
it's so silly to watch
drowsy hawk
one bug that was pissing me off was a random enemy during one of the alarms would freeze in place and cause nonstop distress from the characters
it was basically crippling your stamina
since permanent heartrate increase
dapper compass
yeah happens a lot on D1
dusky tiger
I've had shit like that happen in r6 so much
enemy just chilling in the fucking walls or floor
dapper compass
I usually go back either after error or after the full room scan to clear the remaining while my team loose their way in the level
drowsy hawk
to make it worse, d1 has so much running in it
dusky tiger
like wtf is that
dusky tiger
I usually go back either after error or after the full room scan to clear the re...
god bless the bio tracker dude who helps find the ones that are stuck
dusky tiger
drowsy hawk
never again on that damned map
drowsy hawk
wont continue till next weekend
fun part about a 4 player game is finding the one day a week your group can play
dapper compass
god bless the bio tracker dude who helps find the ones that are stuck
Don't even need that, the only real issue is that SOMETIMES the enemy is somehow stuck underground near the door of the class 4 scan
drowsy hawk
Don't even need that, the only real issue is that SOMETIMES the enemy is somehow...
dont worry there is a good chance that chunk of map wont load in for someone and the whole area will be invisible
so he might be able to spot it
drowsy hawk
yeah and it doesnt matter since enemies also are not visible
we had 2 people have that bug on the same room
it was at the end of the error alarm
the big room that is right before the terminal room
that entire room was not loaded for 2 players
dapper compass
yeah there's a few room that does that
drowsy hawk
on the run we finished the entire room that has the 3 security doors was not loaded for me
dapper compass
my point is that the enemy still puts you in combat so you're stamina limited for the rest of the map cause you can't kill him
drowsy hawk
my point is that the enemy still puts you in combat so you're stamina limited fo...
just a reset on d1 tbh
drowsy hawk
would be for me if it was early enough
the alarm scan aint that bad once you know where the terminal is so its not that painful to reset
i would know, ive finished that scan 6 times today
dapper compass
distant citrus
Which rundown is nemesis?
distant citrus
tysm
fathom jolt
ok so tell me why am I so bad at killing snatchers? (how to kill)
steel valley
shoot the back for double damage
force them to run by staggering them during the grab or dodging it then dump your ammo
distant ice
head is armor, others nothing special about it
fathom jolt
gotcha no more shooting head. I think I see where I was going wrong
wary linden
white hit markers means armored
fathom jolt
ok ty
here is a harder question. Do the guns in gtfo act like real ones. when you shoot a real gun there is bullet drop but also up close your sights are not where the bullet will hit. so depending on where the gun is sighted in you have to aim lower or higher than where you want to shoot. Is this accurate or am I just experiencing the desync issue where the enemy is not where I see it?
midnight gazelle
There is bullet drop after a certain distance (depends on the gun), that close up thing shouldn't be happening
It's probably just desync
fathom jolt
gotcha thanks
minor fractal
There is bullet drop after a certain distance (depends on the gun), that close u...
@fathom jolt There is no bullet drop.
cobalt pollen
the complex is too cramped to find yourself in a scenario where it would compare to real life's long range where bullet drop would even matter
minor fractal
Bullets move in a straight line, but start to lose damage after a certain distance at a certain rate (depends on the weapon).
minor fractal
The tracer has bullet drop, but the tracer lies to you.
There's no travel time, either.
It's instantaneous.
fathom jolt
gotcha I mainly asked since I see this with pistols a lot. I sorta expect to miss a little with rifles. I want to assume it is the desync then. I have had issues lately where my sight is right on a target and it misses even on nonmoving targets. but either thanks all
spark lantern
if ur using sprint toggle are u able to dodge?
minor fractal
if ur using sprint toggle are u able to dodge?
Dodge is broken across the board.
It's considerably smaller than it's supposed to be.
spark lantern
Dodge is broken across the board.
oh is that why i cant dodge using sprint toggle but can with it off?
minor fractal
oh is that why i cant dodge using sprint toggle but can with it off?
If toggle does break it completely, that'd be a separate issue.
But first time I've heard of it.
Dodge is next to useless regardless.
soft crater
you might be aiming a tiny bit too high
Pistol only fires above it's sight reticle if you rapid fire it.
mighty vortex
What are the best automatic rifles to use in gtfo
dry pumice
What are the best automatic rifles to use in gtfo
Pretty much all of them, depending purely on your tastes
The basic AR is fairly decent - classic 30 ammo mag, managable recoil, yadi yada
Bullpup offers recoiless pin-point accuracy and decent effective range, but in return it suffers from one of the longest reloads in the game - meaning getting caught while reloading is a problem. But if you can keep enemies at medium to long range - it's actually a very catarctic experience.
Does burst fire counts as automatic rifle?... Because Carbine is fairly decent for close range combat. Hits hard, fast and reloads quickly too. Only downsides - x4 burst and low effective range.
SMG is a bullpup that traded long range efficiency for normal reload.
PDW is a meaner SMG for hipfire spam. Thermals as a bonus.
From specials - not much choice here, really...
Heavy AR is exactly what it says it is. Basically the basic main AR, but traded recoil and fire rate for extra kick. Hits hard, but recoil is kinda cringe, ammo runs out faster than you think it does.
And finally the LMG. Its probably the best weapons this rundown. Very good ammo economy for a special.
Hits hard, shoots fast, large mag...
Downsides: reloads forever, recoil and that silly build-up mechanic. But if you can learn to work around those - it's pretty much the best you can carry.
Also best weapons to give to bots.
mighty vortex
Very helpful thank you
stoic rivet
Do scout alert waves stack? Like, if you piss off three scouts in one room, will it spawn thrice the number of sleepers?
minor fractal
Do scout alert waves stack? Like, if you piss off three scouts in one room, will...
Stacks.
drowsy hawk
friend left for a minute and came back to us dead
we opened a room and 3 scouts where in it unknown to us
funniest shit ever
craggy pier
@shadow flower if r7 is sticking around, does that mean my opportunity to get all r7 cosmetics is sticking around as well?
shadow flower
That is a good question! Need to double-check. It's nothing we have taken into consideration
dry pumice
Call them normally because I have no idea what those are
agile oxide
precision rifle or sniper
dry pumice
Giants - only sniper
Everything else - precision
agile oxide
alright thanks
dry pumice
Sniper oneshots large guys with a single headshot, precision doesn't.
Sniper deals large damage across the board, precision only does so on headshots - bodyshots on it deal notably low damage.
You can pop the head but after that it takes like 5 bodyshots to finish the job.
agile oxide
and then do you recommend a heavy crowd control on the primary to kinda balance that
like machine gun or smg
assault riffle ^
icy cave
koning or drekker? for blasting giants and scouts
For scouts I would just recommend Hammer tbh
cobalt pollen
sniper if u need to delete high health enemies
dry pumice
The PR is very funny because it can fire in full auto
cobalt pollen
prifle if u dont want to overkill small enemies
dry pumice
We don't know why, but it can
agile oxide
and the thermal is nice for shadows
dry pumice
So CQC with it ain't too bad, but generally yeah - you want a good CQC main weapon once enemies breach your killzone
HEL shotgun makes for an interesting combo with it, but they both have long ass reloads and that can cause problems
I advise something like pistol, smg, carbine or pdw
agile oxide
yea im a fan of the pistol with its higher ammo capacity
and short reload
hows the hel revolver though? over pen rounds would make it good for larger groups right
dry pumice
It's completely legal as devs haven't nerfed it yet
dry pumice
It's just a dark spot in how game handles reloads
Animations are longer than what the actual reload is - you can cancel the animation by quick switching to another weapon and back and still get the ammo in
dry pumice
HEL rev is one of the more abhorrent examples. You can like halve it's reload time.
agile oxide
go back and forth?
dry pumice
Yeah.
agile oxide
okay okay
dry pumice
Generally I'm against it, but you do what you must
I'm but a humble reload animation enjoyer
agile oxide
lol
mm good question is why we havent had flammable weapons
especially in this green goddess of a rundown
dry pumice
Probably same reason we don't really have explosives besides mines
agile oxide
lets get a rust flame turret trap
dry pumice
It's too obvious and would probably become meta at the blink of an eye.
agile oxide
yea ;/
dry pumice
Devs already believe miner to be a mistake
agile oxide
i think to balance, if the flamed unit hits you, the flame transfers dealing damage
so its circumstantial
agile oxide
i actually havent played but ill check theirs
dry pumice
But kf enemies are slow as shit so you can get away with that
Sleepers are a little too quick to just wait for them to die.
agile oxide
yea true, maybe like not a flame thrower but something in that direction
something unique to the energy of gtfo
handicapped by the warden
lusty bramble
It took the warden a couple months to handicap the scattergun
dry pumice
I suggested drugged darts once and everyone down voted it
So yeah, we are men of hammer and brass.
dusky tiger
Mine deployer being a mistake seems kinda harsh
Sure they're quite effective when slapped onto a door
But I dunno
Dont seem that bronk
soft crater
It's the mere fact it can potentially kill an entire wave with a single mine
dusky tiger
Didnt they buff the mine dmg in r6 or sumthin
soft crater
Idk I only know old minedeployer was different but idk how it was different
dusky tiger
At this point I'm so used to carrying it around I dont know how I would play without it
Killing a wave just meant I get to keep more ammo for longer
soft crater
Me with any other tool and forgetting to use them because I'm typically mining doors
dusky tiger
I am typically switching between foam or mines
soft crater
Specifically sentries is the one I despise
dusky tiger
Mines deployed with underslung c-foam launcher
How 2 overpowered
soft crater
Having to pick up and Place down and reposition is such a hassle to me
dusky tiger
I got used to it real fast in r6
That rundown really made me appreciate burst sentries
soft crater
2 burst sentries are good
1 at best kills some / slows down/thins the swarms
Sniper however at least now with bio symbiosis can kill up to 57 smalls iirc
Still weirds me out that people would take 1 burst and 1 sniper and place them facing the same lane.
dry pumice
just to be sure
turbid horizon
Idk I only know old minedeployer was different but idk how it was different
More ammo less dmg
dry pumice
Imho they should make it a manual detonator
No more just mining doors and running away - you'll need to time it right somehow
And will provide some extra tactical choices besides door spam
soft crater
*just to be sure*
Pointless because sniper sentry wouldve one shot the common anyhow
dry pumice
Ammo nerf needed, ofc
soft crater
No more just mining doors and running away - you'll need to time it right someho...
Go put a mine under a scout then run away
weary mesa
Mines have always done the same amount of damage throughout every rundown
Before R5, mines were bugged and a single body of a sleeper could take the whole explosion
dry pumice
So, they were body blocked? Fascinating...
weary mesa
Basically
soft crater
Can mine kill a charger Scout?
No. You need 2 mines to kill a charger scout
dry pumice
Cute
turbid horizon
Just have 2 ppl do it
lusty bramble
50 dmg vs 60 hp
Mines do 35 + whatever precision multi the sleeper has
Unless they changed it
cobalt pollen
its 50
lusty bramble
I genuinely don't remember if that's true but I can check when I get the chance
soft crater
Precision multi isnt tied to the sleeper btw. That's tied to the specific weapons
Even then that's headshots.
soft crater
It goes both ways
Headshot body multi is different
Precision multi is a headshot base damage modifier for each weapon
Hence sniper having double the damage before the body multis
weary mesa
What
mossy aurora
Isn't there precision multi for both the enemy and weapon? Like shooters/scouts
weary mesa
Yes
soft crater
Headshot body multiplier and precision multi are 2 seperate multipliers
mossy aurora
Ah you're just calling what we're calling the sleeper precision multi as "headshot body multi"
soft crater
Ye
cobalt pollen
i just call it [body part] multiplier
ass multiplier
head multiplier
head ass multiplier
soft crater
Pretty much
Then again. Precision multi is mostly a balancing feature anyhow
Only 4 weapons atm that have beneficial precision multipliers
Over 1x
mossy aurora
All the precision multipliers are beneficial
Just because it has a precision multi less than 1.0 doesn't mean you don't do more damage hitting the head
soft crater
Well partly also because by the wiki. And sheets. Precision is mentioned primarily for weapons
soft crater
Just because it has a precision multi less than 1.0 doesn't mean you don't do mo...
I said that for precisions only. Not including the body multis
mossy aurora
It's kind of useless talking about the precision multi in a vacuum when it was designed/balanced with being calculated with the headshot multi, no?
soft crater
HAR would be able to 1headshot and 1 body shot strikers if the precision multi didnt decrease its base dmg
minor fractal
I usually just call them crit/WP multi vs. precision multi.
cobalt pollen
wwwwwwwwww
mossy aurora
Like saying DMR's precision multi isn't beneficial because it's 0.87 isn't accurate imo
soft crater
Like saying DMR's precision multi isn't beneficial because it's 0.87 isn't accur...
Like I said earlier. It's more of a Balancing feature
minor fractal
Well, it's not beneficial, but it benefits from crits.
soft crater
Headshot bodypart multi still exists yes
And I did say not beneficial in that it isnt over 1x
minor fractal
Kind of depends on context, as well.
From a numbers perspective, the precision multi is holding the weapon back.
mossy aurora
Does any other game use weapon damage mechanics with the multipliers like this
minor fractal
From a balancing perspective, the precision multi lets the devs increase its base damage to a higher value.
minor fractal
Does any other game use weapon damage mechanics with the multipliers like this
DRG arguably.
Base damage * WP multi * WP bonus
soft crater
Several games do
minor fractal
Gunfire Reborn has CritX as well.
soft crater
Gtfo ironically just has below 1x base dmg modifiers to headshots
Technically weakpoints
Tumors exist.
minor fractal
"Crit spots" I think was the common terminology back in the day (R1-R5).
soft crater
Mhm
minor fractal
It's a little more waffly now that the crit indicator appears for all damage bonuses.
noble sierra
B4B also uses similar "player weakspot damage" x "enemy weakspot multiplier"
GTFO's precision design is iffy to have precision multiplier < 1, it makes the lower bound of precision multiplier a variable of enemy weakspot multiplier but a intuitive constant
winged turtle
do Charger scouts always walk forward? regular scouts switch it up
noble sierra
Its pattern is mostly identical to all other scouts
winged turtle
pardon, are they always facing the direction they are walking? regs sometimes walk with their occiput 'going first'
noble sierra
Charger scout can also side walk
winged turtle
gratzi
molten mural
so in regards to the lfg channels, am I relegated to only playing in beginners or could I join any of them
grizzled widget
you can join any
but beginner is designed for newbies to play together or to be taught by veterans
molten mural
huh. okay
grizzled widget
the channel descriptions say.
molten mural
What does artifact heat mean
soft crater
how much booster progress you make for each artifact you pick up
if you press "O" it'll show you your progress on the right side
in-game of course
north dawn
can turrets shoot cfoam off door or damage door if facing it??
noble sierra
no n no
queen wasp
What does artifact heat mean
artifact heat * 0.15 is how much artifact progress you get for picking up one artifact
mossy aurora
CAN YOU RELOAD CANCEL WITH QUICK MELEE
do you mean the shove button?
by default hotkey C
noble sierra
If you mean shove then yes, and it's recommended if you want to keep shooting with the same weapon
obsidian surge
Anyone got tips for overload objective for c2?
From what I can see u need to clear that room before the fog gets too high?
Assuming that cause the levels fill with gas after the scan
icy cave
From what I can see u need to clear that room before the fog gets too high?
clear the room between set 3/4 and set 5/6
Then use cell 6 or 5 to open sec door. the class VI scan and last part of overload you'll have to do in fog
noble sierra
Anyone got tips for overload objective for c2?
The meta way to do it you'll have to do the class VI & Z303 in 100% infection
noble sierra
You can use fog repeller to keep 15 hp or over-healed yourself when emergency, to aggro the room or not is actually your choice, both would work
icy cave
Am I not supposed to aggro that room?
You can stealth or aggro the room
obsidian surge
Aites
But why do I do that room after the VI scan?
Only cause the error alarm in cells 3and 4?
noble sierra
Yes
obsidian surge
I c
Unless I save disinfection kits for the last scan
But bots will be bots
And shit human players as well
;-;
neon plaza
do different enemies take up a different amount of spawn cap?
idk how questions work but like: big enemies take up more than small ones?
wooden osprey
yes
wooden osprey
do different enemies take up a different amount of spawn cap?
idk how questions ...
they each have a diff number attached to them (forgot the exact numbers)
like back in R5 in C2 overload we would pull 6 giants from the sleeping giant rooms so we can kite them around the room
and they just eat up the cap
weary mesa
Yikes
neon plaza
they each have a diff number attached to them (forgot the exact numbers)
I need these numbers
I neeeeeeeeeed em
wooden osprey
easy answer: go to modding sever (:
median forge
Wait was it only 6 giants required to spawncap r5c2 overload?
When I did the terry fox walk around that room we had like 20
spark wolf
cap is 25 but waves have a minimum size for each group of enemies they spawn, if the minimum doesn't fit, nothing will spawn
and any wave other than the first wave has a timer that last for an infinite amount of time as long as x or more enemies are alerted
for a lot of cases you want the first wave to spawn so you can use a reduced cap
amber cobalt
have a question for the current rundown at level C1 how to stop the wave after open the room for GLP?
spark wolf
pick up the 9 glp
it will add more spawns for each zone you open
and each zone has 3 glp
amber cobalt
so after pick 9 glp it will auto stop the wave?
spark wolf
yes
amber cobalt
thank
molten mural
Is it possible to modify my weapons? Specifically the sights. I don't really like the neon aesthetic sights.
Also, are there settings to tone down how much fog there is? I played B1 last night and there was a huge part where having the flashlight on was detrimental bc I could not see anything lol
dapper compass
You can't customize sights sadly
Fog is part of the gameplay, you'll see in B2 that it is much, much more dense
it's not the most fun part I agree, but there are tools to work around the fog
dry pumice
Is it possible to modify my weapons? Specifically the sights. I don't really lik...
No and no.
Maybe using mods, but then you are not allowed to play in local LFG servers.
Funnily enough devs changed the colour of default pistol's sight from red to light green.
icy cave
Is it possible to modify my weapons? Specifically the sights. I don't really lik...
you better get used to fog. its only getting started
molten mural
Damn this sounds like a hard game. Okay, thank you all, I will struggle with B1 later again tonight
molten mural
it's not the most fun part I agree, but there are tools to work around the fog
Also could you elaborate with this? Like what tools (and do I have to find them like lock melters?)
dry pumice
There's an item called Fog Repeller
dapper compass
Fog Repellers, they're frequent or even abundant in fog heavy levels
there is also another thing that is much less frequent called a Fog Turbine
dry pumice
Looks like a fat roomba
dapper compass
And in some other case you might have map events that allow you to reduce fog
molten mural
okay do I find these or can I equip them instead of my sentry for example
dapper compass
And finally thermal sights, while having reduced visibility in fog, are still pretty useful in such situations
Nah sorry, I shouldn't have used the term "tools"
Altought biotracker is still valid in that regard
molten mural
got it thank you
icy cave
okay do I find these or can I equip them instead of my sentry for example
you find them around
icy cave
Looks like a fat roomba
and that is actually pretty accurate
soft crater
when new players encounter permaFogTurbine checkpoint bug
(This applies to all carry items for those who dont know. Not just turbines)
floral acorn
very cool when its a turbine backpack, free hands, running, shooting, cant open a door ๐
soft crater
very cool when its a turbine backpack, free hands, running, shooting, cant open ...
Sucks because they cant use anything outside of their own gear
neon plaza
if plant backpack... why get infected? if breath oxygen it makes, why get infected by air I don't use?
molten mural
Can I change the font in this game? The objectives are sometime hard to read when playing
wooden karma
you can increase the font size by a bit
rough beacon
I dont remember who I heard it from but I remember someone saying you cant kite anymore? is that true?
wooden osprey
I dont remember who I heard it from but I remember someone saying you cant kite ...
you can just not forever
and you have to be smarter
rough beacon
Ahh
neon plaza
you can just not forever
D1 shadow alarm tho ๐ณ
wooden osprey
i mean... i didn't play D1 alot
and i can't replay the level cause everyone wants to do it with overload
tacit zealot
Still can kite shadows by literally walking
Given you arenโt walking in straight line
wary linden
Still can kite shadows by literally walking
still can circle kite normal strikers by walking
solemn badge
Is it still possible for people to join in on your game mid-run if your lobby isn't full?
viscid wolf
kinda
naive lichen
is there any workaround for the d1 overload multiple snatcher bug?
soft crater
Kill all the snatchers
Host solo activates the Overload terminal and the rest have the code and join after the overload objective is activated
So Host kinda has to deal with 1 snatcher midst the rest joining back
naive lichen
ye we tried that, but were having issues with the bot. does a bot still activate multiple snatchers?
soft crater
No
naive lichen
ok tyty
wary linden
people not running 3 snatcher ovl is quite sad ๐ฆ
winged turtle
is it still possible to run the whole open but not use the overload in D1 so you can main and just do snatchers at the end?
wary linden
no
wary linden
adapt, improve, win
winged turtle
fair
wary linden
they also love crutches
vital sierra
i spend my time solo 2 snatchers just for them to use cheese after that
winged turtle
yes i do, favorite food is cheese crutches
wary linden
i spend my time solo dancing with all the snatchers and wave at the end of c1 while they panic and yell at me to come on the extraction scan
funny pubs
winged turtle
C1 doesn't end in a team scan though right? it just takes 25% longer if you tango and they scan
wary linden
no extraction scan is a team scan
vital sierra
but he has 3 other teammate in the scan
soft crater
is it still possible to run the whole open but not use the overload in D1 so you...
there's no bulkhead key inside the overload area anymore.
once you go to that area. you have to activate overload terminal command to proceed
otherwise the door towards main will never open
neon plaza
I hate fog
wise thicket
The person above me hates fog
molten mural
Somebody had a scanner in their game that allowed them to know like how many things there are. Is it a tool I can use? I'd love to use it.
vital sierra
it called bio tracker
soft crater
"According to the pinger. We're already dead." -Hackett
dapper compass
"I hope I'm seeing double, we got pings"
dry pumice
Somebody had a scanner in their game that allowed them to know like how many thi...
Bio Tracker Tool.
Can see enemies up to 30m away and pings those that are awake and moving.
Sniper and Shotgun sentries aim and shoot at pinged targets faster.
Biotracker does not require tool refill, making it easier to manage the other 3.
Theres never a reason to bring more than 1.
dry pumice
Oh and one more: bots are amazing with it. While they can't give you precise info on sleeping enemies - they ping the shit out of awake ones, doing so at twice the range and speed of un-boosted player.
wary linden
Bio Tracker Tool.
Can see enemies up to 30m away and pings those that are awake ...
disagree with that last one
there are reason to use more then one if your team is always splitting up and you need to know stuff from both teams
dry pumice
Haven't seen that happen once so far, so... It also implies you are left without either miner, Cfoam or a turret, which is not preferable unless the level just doesn't play well with one or the other.
Basically it's a lot of IFS and BUTS so, practically worthless.
latent obsidian
R6D3 and R7D2 are examples where it might be worth doing, though I still probably wouldn't
dry pumice
C1 
latent obsidian
Sniper sentries are just ridiculous atm
dry pumice
It's not that, some levels don't have enough doors
Mining random corners only gets you so far until devs make this crap a manual detonation.
wary linden
Bringing a mine deployer for 2 blood door is not worth
Just shoot. It s gonna take 10 more seconds then the mine
spark wolf
i need those 10s bro
wary linden
Haven't seen that happen once so far, so... It also implies you are left without...
R4e1ext speedruns uses 2 bios
Might change soon though if the new strat works for reactor
Else just playing the level normally and doing 2-2 split also benefit having 2 bios
tacit zealot
Taking two bio because the first bio guy sucks is incredibly based
wary linden
Pub bio are always the first one to be down
dapper compass
Which level this rundown do you think makes the best use of Mine Deployer ?
imo B2
crude sail
i agree
dapper compass
akctuali the first zone has a few doors
latent obsidian
Mines are decent on C1 too I think
neon plaza
really?
dapper compass
I guess for the escape, and to clear the first S scan wave, but I really prefer a triple sentry setup
floral acorn
mines 2xsnipersentry biotracker == c1 gold
dapper compass
B3 would be higher than C1 on the list
latent obsidian
It helped a lot when I duo'd it. Helped a lot for the S scan, can be used quite nicely in the glp section, and for the final escape section
neon plaza
5 sniper sentry is better imo
dapper compass
Duo context I'd take mine yeah, I agree with that
neon plaza
valid
dry pumice
C3 got some strong mining opportunities as well in the 2nd half
dapper compass
I guess, for PE definitely
cobalt pollen
the only need for mines in b3 is like
blood doors, pulling overload room chargers
never really used it outside those 2 mentioned purposes for b3
dry pumice
The first super cluster scan
dapper compass
I also use some for extract and in the room with secondary door
cobalt pollen
eh i didnt use it for the cluster scan
dapper compass
perma foam is better in this one tho
dapper compass
R7 challenge every level with 4 mine deployers
wary linden
legit... it won't change much
cause every level doesn't require 1 specific tool to complete this rundown
dry pumice
I don't know, D2 could be problematic without turrets...
wary linden
just shoot
if i could solo defend it with 1 burst sentry before sniper sentry buff... you can defend it with 3 players..
2 people defending and 1 errand boy also works without sentry ... witout being too challenging
dry pumice
Riiight
wary linden
i mean that solo defense was 2 erran boy while i was defending with the burst
dry pumice
Guns?
wary linden
hel rev, hcp
wary linden
duh
dry pumice
Right. Not happening.
wary linden
reload cancel is what makes you able to shoot even more
dry pumice
I know, still refuse
latent obsidian
You refuse to reload cancel? ๐
dry pumice
Yes.
latent obsidian
uh, why?
wary linden
also this is about a 1 person defense... if you have 3 defender you time your reloads and negate it if you are so stingy about reload cancel
rigid sinew
I know, still refuse
based
wary linden
so it's fucking hilarious that you jump to the "not possible"
dry pumice
Just don't like it. If game wanted me to reload in 1 second - it would give me 1 second reload animation. If it wanted me to speed it up - it would give me something like what Gears of War had where you press button at the right time.
...
Interestingly not many games have that one.
Kf2 offered you a perk that live halves reloading times, while using custom reload animations. That was cool.
Hm. When reloading HEL rev - does the character cocks the hammer?
wary linden
so what you want is to remove a skill check of player and instead freely give it away as a booster... sounds pretty lame
dry pumice
I believe not, right?
latent obsidian
Do you consider the reload cancel to be an exploit? Or does it ruin your immersion?
rigid sinew
calling reload cancelling skillful is quite an overstatement 
dry pumice
Both, actually. It's literally just messing with the game not being smart enough to catch up with the big brain player.
Which is proven by the fact that it changes from gun to gun, because some are more broken than others.
wary linden
heh. better when the player does it himself rather then it being given for free
dry pumice
"given the opportunity - the players will optimise the fun out of the game" - some game dev
wary linden
or the dev can just kill the fun altogether
some people like to do stuff faster then what devs wants originally. that is THEIR fun with the game.. who are you to judge that it's not fun
๐ค
dry pumice
Because it's literally cheating? Especially if it's something as important as a direct combat mechanic. Throwing such wrenches into the cogs of game balance is a dangerous thing.
I had these arguments before with dark souls estus cancelers before, and they couldn't convince me either. Thank lord for Blue Sentinel and its kicking features...
latent obsidian
Calling it cheating is a stretch. There are plenty of cheeses and exploits in this game and its up to each player how much of it they want to utilise. But calling it cheating for something that is common across so many games is too much
wary linden
if you consider something like that cheating.. then i have nothing to say to you about it. you clearly have an extreme point of view and nothing will ever change your mind
i would just waste my time
dapper compass
imo reload cancel is fine, it's like AA reset in lol
dry pumice
It's very small scale and it's true that the game technically allows it. It's still wrong. Games were meant to be played, not glitch your way to into the final boss room and cause a bug that makes him explode and trigger the credits.
latent obsidian
yes, that does seem like something comparable to animation cancelling 
fathom jolt
It's very small scale and it's true that the game *technically* allows it. It's ...
played how
dry pumice
The underlying principles are the same, the only thing thats different is scale. Kinda like comparing petty theft to mass murder or something.
fathom jolt
?
dry pumice
The game does allow you to do it, technically. Just press these specific buttons while standing in these exact coordinates and vuala.
And yet...
dry pumice
played how
However the game devs intended it to be played. They generally have a picture in their mind of how their product was meant to be experienced, with some leeway.
Otherwise they would've make a different game.
fathom jolt
reading through this comes down to. noobs will sneak 100% while I 100hrs in will run. I might be playing the game differently than when I first started but am I not still playing it?
the devs could patch it out
dry pumice
They definetely always could, yeah...
fathom jolt
combos is like mortal combat or street fighter was not originally an intended thing it was a bug that they kept in an made better
wary linden
Rocket jumping in teamfortress was a bug and look at it now
fathom jolt
i mean no one should feel bad for not using something but it can be a good skill for higher play
fathom jolt
So why not make it a mechanic?
I mean it is unintended but it is still there
dry pumice
As for running vs stealthing: you still play the game as was intended, for the most part. You just found that you can get away with more aggression than devs anticipated. Which, at worst, I can claim to be bad balance. But its still a fair game.
Like CAR SMG in titanfall 2. That gun was cringe stupid strong, but it is in the game as "intended".
You just lose honour points for equipping it.
dry pumice
I mean it is unintended but it is still there
That's what bothers me. They clearly gave HEL rev long reload to compensate for otherwise neat fire power, and players found a way to bypass that limitation. Bullpup can't do that, yet it has exactly the same issue that keeps it from being a good gun. Why the unfairness?
Warframe had similar issue once upon a time with Melee Coptering: performing a sliding melee attack would give your character a physical acceleration, with some melees having greater effect than others. Which is how Zoren Coptering was born, named after the melee that could do it the best. It was ridiculous - you could WOOSH good 40-50m in a blink of an eye.
What did the devs do? Removed / greatly nerfed the sliding attack acceleration and instead added a whole new separate mechanic that basically was meant to provide same utility, it's just that now your melee choice and was no longer limited to same 3 "accelerators".
frank cliff
Because it's literally cheating? Especially if it's something as important as a ...
If reload canceling is cheating then like people are cheating in practically every FPS game, it's a mechanic that shows up in so many different games that it's not a niche issue, plus if the devs wanted to really get rid of it they could certain guns don't have reload cancels.
noble sierra
What other fps game has reload cancel?
frank cliff
Apex, COD, Certain guns in valorant
dry pumice
Cs go maybe? With the pros flicking the AWP? Although I honestly don't know if it works - looks to be a placebo to me.
frank cliff
it's not a new thing
noble sierra
Animation cancel is pretty common in fighting/action/moba game yes, so I personally feels it's ok, but I'm also fine with this got removed
wary linden
valorant, call of duty, payday 2, mass effect to name a few
apex too
i never played these games but one quick google search gives you a bunch of games with reload cancel
frank cliff
I personally do not like how the devs keep trying to slow down the gameplay like yes at first people move slow for safety and to figure out the mechanics, but having a skill ceiling where you can move faster not always having to crouch I think is a good thing, and mechanics like reload canceling I think is a part of that