gtfo-related-questions

[craggy pier]

any random expeditions or specific ones for new apparel

[rigid sinew]

random

you can even do the same one mult times

[craggy pier]

a1 it is

[soft crater]

[hazy stone]

why does artifact heat go down?

[turbid horizon]

Lorewise or game wise?

[hazy stone]

both actually

[turbid horizon]

Lore, ask frosty

Game, it depends on how many you pick up in missions

The more you pick up in a mission, the more that missions heat goes down and the more other missions heat goes up

There’s a formula and I don’t remember what it is

[hazy stone]

what does heat even do

[turbid horizon]

At 100% heat, 1 artifact = 0.15 booster progress

20% heat, 1 artifact = 0.03 booster progress

[dry pumice]

In short it reduces efficiency of farming boosters by reducing the efficacy of artifact pick ups. The amount of artifacts you can find stays roughtly the same, but they they will yield less booster progress as you replay same mission over and over again.

It's a mechanic to prevent grinding same level for boosters and it encourages switching between levels.

[turbid horizon]

cries in R6B2

[hazy stone]

also really struggling with C1 what do

[dry pumice]

which part

there's like 4 major bits where people die, in my experience

[hazy stone]

ok so my squad JUST BARELY managed to get past the first purple security and then we ran out of ammo and we got rushed by giants and died

[neon plaza]

2 sniper sentries?

[hazy stone]

we had a total of 3 people, i had bio tracker, other friend had mines, friend had burst, bot had burst

[neon plaza]

yeah try like 2 sniper sentries and mines

much better at killing things imo

like a sniper

but automated

[dry pumice]

wait explain that again

did you died on long purple scan?

Like, got finished off after it was finished?

[hazy stone]

yes

[dry pumice]

or did you died later?

[hazy stone]

we ran out of ammo

[dry pumice]

Oh, that's unlucky.

Kekus.

So... Yeah, this map is big boy heavy. You people need a dedicated giant killer.

By which i mean a Sniper Rifle user.

[hazy stone]

we had one4

and we ran out of ammo.

[neon plaza]

sniper sentries are good too :)

[dry pumice]

Outside the zone there are 2 doors enemies often use to come

You can mine and cfoam them to delay them until you hit like 30% scan?

Cfoam person can also cfoam approaching routes to slow down the onslaught

Sentires are helpful, but i really struggle to find a good spot for them where they can aim freely

Biggest help here are + bioscan speed booster

If you entire team stacks up some - you can get it over with before shit gets real bad

Either that or yeah just bring crap ton of sniper sentires and put them down everywhere

[neon plaza]

has there ever been a rundown tool that's both a rundown specific and not a sentry?

[dry pumice]

I dont think so, no

biotracker, cfoam and mine deployer are a permanent stay

[icy cave]

nope

[dry pumice]

and there are no other tools besides sentries AFAIK

[rigid sinew]

mapper
trailer specific

[neon plaza]

True true

pls make new tools 10cc

[rigid sinew]

scout dakimakura tool

[dry pumice]

we once had a giant discussion on potential new tools

it went nowhere

90% were bad ideas, 10% of good ideas were designated as bad by veterans

so basically there are no good ideas

[icy cave]

mine the two doors outside. place the two sentries in a good angle. pew pew more. win

[dry pumice]

So enjoy your 10 variations of turrets for every life situation

[icy cave]

no need to be salty about it

[dry pumice]

Ironically that's no salt, i just couldn't word that joke any other way

[rigid sinew]

game design is unironically hard? who would have thought!

[dry pumice]

ikr

[rigid sinew]

[icy cave]

you know what would be a good tool. A little drone you can deploy and ride around to scout out the zones.

/s

[dry pumice]

Unless that drone can detonate or something i don't think that's of any help

[rigid sinew]

recon tools sound like a good idea until you realize that killing stuff is easy as hell lol

[dry pumice]

not only that, every tool we do have thus far helps with killing stuff one way or another

[icy cave]

information. But it was sarcasm as it would be way too powerfull and it was a stab at R6 siege/ extinction

[dry pumice]

Kek. Is the drone a meme in R6?

[icy cave]

its basically a drive around wallhack

that everyone has

[dry pumice]

I can see how that's useful in PvP, but i don't see much use in GTFO for it

just git gud at stealth you know?

[hazy stone]

burst sentries or snipers

[dry pumice]

best it can do make sniper interactions easier

[dry pumice]

Sniper >>> Burst

[icy cave]

two snipers

[dry pumice]

there's no choice at the moment until they nerf it

[rigid sinew]

sus sentry

[icy cave]

or one sniper/one burst

[hazy stone]

alright

what would be better for solo

[dry pumice]

true solo or bot solo

[hazy stone]

can i even do this shit solo

bot solo

[icy cave]

if you failed with 3, don't solo

[rigid sinew]

bio tracker + sniper sentry

[hazy stone]

too bad im doing it anyway

[dry pumice]

technically you can, but it's gonna be brutal

[icy cave]

it has been done

[hazy stone]

imma throw myself at the wall until i do it

[dry pumice]

give bots carbine + machine gun to maximise their combat efficiency and then just pray

[icy cave]

everything has been soloed

[rigid sinew]

carbine

[hazy stone]

even her...

[dry pumice]

Unfortuantely there's a bit later into the level that requires doing something that bots cant do

[rigid sinew]

just give them hel rev

[icy cave]

my last C1 run was 36 minutes. Keep a timer so you know if it takes too long

[dry pumice]

hel doesn't seem to be working on bots

there's no penetration from what i observed in R6C3

[rigid sinew]

it's not about the pen

[dry pumice]

burst rifle used to be best, but it got rundown'd

[hazy stone]

[rigid sinew]

it just happens to be stupid efficient lol

or pistol I guess

[hazy stone]

ok i need to know how much you play this game

this is my first rundown ever

so

[icy cave]

it was with 4 players ofc. but thats the ballpark for a good run

[dry pumice]

average good run or "GOGOGOGOGOGOG" run?

because in reality that level takes good 80 minutes on average

[icy cave]

no we even waited around for someone to drop in (started as 3)

[dry pumice]

well, maybe 60

[icy cave]

40 is very achievable if going for it

we did lower fog as well

[hazy stone]

ok so should i give bots biotracker btw or is that a bad idea

[dry pumice]

have you searched for every bit of resource as well?

[dry pumice]

super good idea

[icy cave]

give one of them bio yes

[dry pumice]

always have Bishop have biotracker

[icy cave]

non stop since a year

[dry pumice]

Bots have it buffed by a mile

They will constantly ping anything that moves

They do it at higher range and can reapply it more often than a player can

[turbid horizon]

Only one disadvantage

[hazy stone]

do different bots have like affect on the gadget they use?

[dry pumice]

no

[icy cave]

no

[dry pumice]

but bishop takes the 4th player slot

so when you can't quite assemble the full squad - bishop is the back up man

[turbid horizon]

They won’t reping until the current ping completely disappears

[turbid horizon]

[hazy stone]

so i should be rocking a mine deployer?

[dry pumice]

hmmmm

the tool bots have the most issue with is cfoam

[icy cave]

yeah

[dry pumice]

they do NOT understand shooting angles with that thing

[icy cave]

he brings two sentries instad of foam

thats pretty ok

[dry pumice]

miner it is then

[hazy stone]

what guns should i be using also

[turbid horizon]

Whatever you feel works best for you

[icy cave]

for the S scan the Machine gun is OP

[turbid horizon]

Honestly

[dry pumice]

literally

[icy cave]

on the giant waves

[dry pumice]

but in case you're wondering

[hazy stone]

ive just been using the malatack and the sniper

[dry pumice]

the most popular weapons are HEL Revolver and Choke Mode Shotgun

[turbid horizon]

I think every gun has a use

[dry pumice]

almost every gun

[turbid horizon]

?

[icy cave]

Ah and also ditch your current melee and take hammer. thank me later

[hazy stone]

i always rock hammer

so

hammer chads for the win

[icy cave]

I'm proud of you

[dry pumice]

Choker is basically superior HCP and whatever differences are there are just not practical really

[hazy stone]

hammer is fucking awesome

why would you use anything else

[dry pumice]

i just like poking things

makes me feel safe

[hazy stone]

yo... thats not as swag as the hammer

i love running with the hammer

[icy cave]

ok you win a C1 run tomorrow when you will inevitably wipe with the bots tonight

[icy cave]

it is about running and charging tho

[turbid horizon]

I think HCP has the far superior reload

I’m not dissing Choke at all, I use it a lot

But HCP has a banger reload time

[dry pumice]

Haven't noticed much of a difference honestly

[turbid horizon]

Even sniper has a use tbh

[dry pumice]

Of course it does

It fucking oneshot snipers

[turbid horizon]

We’ve been taking it less bc of nerf

[dry pumice]

I constantly have to be the dedicated giant remover

[turbid horizon]

brUh

Sniper oneshot sniper real

[hazy stone]

should i give bots machine guns

[dapper compass]

HCP broken

[dry pumice]

Yes

[turbid horizon]

YES

[hazy stone]

WORD

[dry pumice]

Bots operate best with high recoil, high fire rate weapons that have generous ammo supply

[turbid horizon]

mine are all still on burst rifle

[dry pumice]

NO SHOTGUNS. NO HANDGUNS.

[turbid horizon]

And MG

[dry pumice]

They will miss every fucking shot

[turbid horizon]

They can handle regular shotty

But MG is better

[dry pumice]

The picture of hackett missing a choker shot at 4m range back at R6C1 is forever burned into my brain

[hazy stone]

alright i am going to fucking lose this run

thank you for the advice

[turbid horizon]

My crew did randomized loadout missions in R6

And I had one run of C1

Where for bishop

[icy cave]

enjoy wiping !

[turbid horizon]

I rolled sawed-off/scattergun

Bishop nailed me in the back so many times

[hazy stone]

wiping my ass?

born2shit

forced2wipe

[shrewd dirge]

i am trash man

[hazy stone]

what

[icy cave]

No no it actually makes sense

[soft crater]

Who said they were forced2wipe

[hazy stone]

another question doe, can scouts hear at all?

[shrewd dirge]

'yes'

gunfire/screams set them off

any other noises cause them to tendril early.

light will also cause them to tendril early.

[mossy aurora]

hitting the wall or floor with melee near them will also set them off

[soft crater]

I touch them with the soft gentle touch of a Sledge hammer

[hazy stone]

how do you clear a room with 2 scouts without setting it off

[soft crater]

Melee kill

Or if 2 teammates have guns that can kill scouts they have to do it simultaneously

[hazy stone]

should you avoid stealth killing sleepers if other sleepers nearby are scanning

[dry pumice]

Yes. Do it right at the end of their stretching animation

[hazy stone]

i meant like so lets say your approaching one sleeper who is not scanning, and then before you swing a different sleeper next to you starts scanning, will they become alerted by the scream?

[dry pumice]

I need px discord for thos

There we go, proper fucking keyboard.

Okay, uh... I'm not super versed in this.
There is about a 2m range where sleepers just always wake up when something is killed near them.
When "stretching" (glowing and shit) that range extends to like 5? Maybe more.
There is however also a RANDOM CHANCE that any sleeper within 15m range and in direct line of sight of victim will wake up, or someshit like that. I don't know if its true, but i've seen it happen.

The standart procedure for stealth kills is to synchronise all sleepers with a flashlight and then kill one of them right as the others fall aslepp.

This prevents the random wake up bullshit, somehow.

[floral acorn]

mostly. long ramge aggros do still happen, sometimes the flashy syncs seem to work but 2 sec later someone still gurgles or begins to

uncrouch walk charge bonk, with luck the waker wont scream before trying to close in and lick

[mossy aurora]

proximity aggro range doesnt change if glowing or not to my understanding of it

[floral acorn]

i still stand by theory where the animations and glows bug out, like seeing a glow only in the last 1 second of the full stretching thing.. or an enemy is seemingly sleeping but the game thinks its already begun the stretches

like sometimes turn mouse and see an enemy fast forward thru the last moves of the throbbing animation when u know he's done already, heard the <whoomp> etc

ah well its not the end of the world, just prepare, listen to aggro sounds after every kill, react if so

[mossy aurora]

i think that has to do with host/client desync shenaningans

[floral acorn]

any luck its only half the room or if bots, noone else (even screamed)

[mossy aurora]

its glowing on host's end but not on client

[floral acorn]

that too yes

alltho 97% host i get the remote stuff daily, i dont mind per se.. just take the off chance into account on every single kill, usually <this is fine meme>

[minor fractal]

Double glow, probably.

If you shine for too long they will glow twice.

Might also just be one that was missed.

[turbid horizon]

yeah I've noticed this, seems to happen a lot more with shadows too

[dry pumice]

Can confirm shadows

[turbid horizon]

but that could just be due to me taking longer to process that they're there

[dry pumice]

Very weird behavior

[minor fractal]

I've noticed the shadow thing too, but tbh I think it's legitimately a mental trick.

That feedback is delayed, so it feels like they're hyper-sensitive.

[floral acorn]

LRF on a scout for 2 minutes and she will do 5-6 feels back to back to normalise 🙂 .. sometimes smalls same thing, even throb a bit every time too 🙂

[grizzled widget]

which is the one where you go to destination? b3 or c3

i know you go in c2 but i'm talking about during a secondary

[dry pumice]

b3

c3 secondary is shadows

[tawny tiger]

I just recieved an article of clothing for completing D2 (I had already completed all levels and PE on the rundown)

it came with this message

"surplus apparel provided for improved expedition sector clearance"

can I receive more clothing for completing levels, even after finishing all prisoner apparel requisition?

[dry pumice]

There is currently an "event" where you get 4 free apperls, +1 per any level completion

including just doing A1 4 times

it will last ~2 weeks

[tawny tiger]

so I just keep running levels, and I'll get 4 more than the regular apparel requisition?

[dry pumice]

yep

[tawny tiger]

is there a link to this event?

in the patch notes I assume

[dry pumice]

@tawny tiger #social-feed message

[tawny tiger]

thank you

[lusty bramble]

"A red palette is also available as the fourth reward if the green only makes your teammates startled and trigger happy. "

what does this mean??

[dry pumice]

i think its a joke about how green camo makes people invisible

[soft crater]

given most camouflage is green / tan forest/desert

also Red is the opposite color of Green

[lusty bramble]

what?

[soft crater]

[lusty bramble]

are you really paying $10 a month to post an emoji

[soft crater]

yes

well technically I have classic Nitro

[dim agate]

Anybody else not getting the new mask?

[cobalt pollen]

there is no new mask

the new cosmetics are 1 palette and 1 in each slot excluding mask

[frail lotus]

anybody have any tips on the end of c1?

we keep getting stuck on the last chunk with the guys that run around with tentacles

[cobalt pollen]

get a gun that hits really hard

mines also help

first snatcher will always come from the apex door so you can mine that to make it retreat prematurely

[soft crater]

this is false btw

[cobalt pollen]

its always the apex door for me

[soft crater]

he does not always come from the apex door

honestly idk why the left door even exists

everything spawns apex door or the right side

[wary linden]

False

I have seen spawns on the left side... They are just uncommon but they do spawn there from time to time

[minor fractal]

^

[wary linden]

I saw like 2 spawns there in 20+ clears

XD

Anyway. You can hear Them spawning... If they Do spawn left.. just move your sentry

[weary mesa]

We’ll never know if E1 commence scan actually has a different spawn location

Most people just permacheese the door

[stoic breach]

:?

[icy cave]

Ugh filthy casuals

[cobalt pollen]

which scan is that again

[mossy aurora]

arena scan before teleport

[cobalt pollen]

so far its only one door isnt it

aside from the main entrance itself

[gentle tendon]

How would one cheese a security door?

[neon plaza]

foam the door enemies spawn at so no more spawn

[cobalt pollen]

security doors

not regular doors

[neon plaza]

oh uh

put your sentry inside of it in R1

[soft crater]

Wake the room inside

Melee the woken enemies through the door

[daring fog]

whats the reason why the "new" cosmetics are just reskins of existing cosmetics?

[icy cave]

Ez

[daring fog]

Cause they cant code and design gotcha

[daring fog]

i mean heck how did sniper melee partial fix break d1 overload scouts again? or atleast made it worse

[icy cave]

1. we don't know it is the fix.
2. they break stuff at random with every patch

[fierce nebula]

they should just scrap the game at this point

[soft crater]

Imean gamescom event so eh

[soft crater]

Not to mention patchnotes never include "ALL OF THE CHANGES"

Despite being told otherwise. I just cant trust that shite

[daring fog]

we never had real bug fixes to be fair

[soft crater]

You mean features?

And then Actual Features ARE BUGS

[daring fog]

how to even make a PARTIAL version of a 1 liner fix?

[icy cave]

no the one liner is the partial fix. the complete fix requires rewriting some base code

[daring fog]

yet the 1 liner mod fixes stuff and the partial does nothing

[icy cave]

what they did was to implement the mod. it is the same thing. In other words the mod is just a partial fix.

[cobalt pollen]

so u prefer with or without the fix

[icy cave]

with obv

[daring fog]

i dont see it working at all yet

just got another loss cause of sniper melee

same with enemies still being able to spawn on players directly

[viscid wolf]

sniper melee doesn't exist

thats ping

[daring fog]

ping and stupid package management is not the same thing

[viscid wolf]

also spawning on players isnt a bug

thats a side effect of being too far from your teammates

[daring fog]

we were 1 room from each other

you mongrel

[viscid wolf]

sniper melee was never a packet loss issue anyway

[daring fog]

fucking stop expecting stuff

[viscid wolf]

u must be mistaken

[daring fog]

dude your blocked

sorry not talking with a idiotic wall

[viscid wolf]

[daring fog]

zone a and b

are 1 room from each other

if you cant even understand that what you doing here?

[viscid wolf]

kids these days

[daring fog]

zone 210 a and 210 b are 2 rooms or more away

gotcha

gotcha

[viscid wolf]

either you have to be a room where enemies cannot possibly spawn anywhere else

or be in a specific alarm where enemies spawn 1 room away

[cobalt pollen]

why so aggressive

[daring fog]

d2

[viscid wolf]

you're telling me the code doesn't work right now

which is honestly a bit comedic

[daring fog]

cause some fanboy tries to be intelligent

[wary linden]

🍿

[daring fog]

havent seen anyone where the fix actually worked so far

[viscid wolf]

do you know why sniper melee exists

if u don't then I suggest u stop complaining

thank u

[daring fog]

right back at you

[viscid wolf]

its not a packet loss issue

[wary linden]

It's the same shit as the mod. The mod was not perfect to begin with.

Even the creator said so

[daring fog]

ping by itself cant cause this hard of a fuck up

even more so a 30 ms difference

[wary linden]

Paquet loss can

[daring fog]

yeah

but that other one says it isnt package loss

[viscid wolf]

and packet loss =/= sniper melee

no I said it wasn't sniper melee

please back read

[cobalt pollen]

just watch the sniper melee explanation video to solve the crisis

boom

now you know

[daring fog]

i watched the code work

can only say what it did

and i dont expect a working fix before we see most of the bugs from r1 to now getting fixed

or just getting game breaking bugs on the list of fixes instead of stuff that never worked either way

[wooden osprey]

in what level?

[terse glade]

Are there any tier lists on loadouts? ^^

[cobalt pollen]

each has their own purposes

[terse glade]

Sure thing. but there must still be some weps that are stronger than others ^^

[rigid sinew]

hel shotgun and precision rifle

[jaunty bear]

there kind of is a tier list

iirc

[distant ice]

tier lists made by random individuals

[cobalt pollen]

hel shotgun and prifle best loadout

[icy cave]

its fixed for me. @minor fractal said it was improved for him a lot as well. overall in the community it was well received. It does still happen at high ping tho. sooo... dunno what to tell you

[icy cave]

best weapon loadouts will vary depending on level

[minor fractal]

?

[icy cave]

sorry for ping but you were the most vocal about sniper melee.

[minor fractal]

Yeah, I know, I'm ?ing them.

[floral acorn]

fixed for me. night and day difference when NA host EU client. night and day difference when lan host + client.

[daring fog]

of those i played with i havent seen anyone

still standing on that point of mine

[minor fractal]

Praising the mod while condemning the vanilla implementation of that same mod is some wild shit.

While also raving about a bunch of BS unrelated to the fix.

[daring fog]

just stating the differences from what i can tell from experimantation

[minor fractal]

You're calling upon an anecdotal experience of bugs that are not new at all and blaming the fix on them.

Maybe a little bit unhinged.

[daring fog]

yeah right blaming sniper melee on sniper melee is being unhinged

[minor fractal]

What do you think sniper melee is?

[daring fog]

the thing in said video you referenced

which by the way isnt a full explanation going by how the devs state its not full fix

[icy cave]

that has been fixed. plain and simple

[minor fractal]

I haven't referenced any videos, personally.

The devs don't consider it a full fix.

[icy cave]

you mentioned one in the past. by mccad I think

[minor fractal]

I personally wouldn't complain if they didn't do anything else.

[minor fractal]

Not in this conversation.

[daring fog]

i just hope to see it work for me once

[minor fractal]

What does "work for me" mean here?

[daring fog]

not actually still getting it with a 30 ms difference to host

[icy cave]

It has been stated that it would still be noticeable at high pings

[daring fog]

or even to someone on the same connection

[minor fractal]

Right, and what is "still getting it"?

Fast tongues, inch-jumping on position update, etc.?

[daring fog]

melee hitting 5 meters from where you are

[minor fractal]

Is it only happening for melee attacks?

Because that might just be the normal melee hitbox and teleporting that's been around since the beginning.

[daring fog]

which suppossedly was fixed already

[minor fractal]

?

[daring fog]

quite some time ago

[minor fractal]

Since when?

[daring fog]

would need to find where it was stated to be fixed

[viscid wolf]

you're still going?

I just finished watching jaws in class and man is still stubborn

[minor fractal]

That shit hasn't been touched since R1 to my memory.

Although admittedly I remember chargers being much worse in R1 than later rundowns.

[daring fog]

i can only say they still the same as they were during r4 xD

teleporting worse then a player with 600 ping

[minor fractal]

W8, if this is the same as from R4, then what the fuck does this have to do with sniper melee?

[daring fog]

for your chargers

[minor fractal]

What does this have to do with sniper melee?

Do you think sniper melee was a thing in R4?

[daring fog]

you mentioned them

[icy cave]

sniper melee was introduced with R6.5 when fixing the jittering

[daring fog]

i responded to your mention

[minor fractal]

Right, but why are we talking about this.

We're talking about this because you're complaining sniper melee is still pretty prevalent on melee attacks.

So, is it prevalent, or is it about what it was in R4?

[daring fog]

sniper melee =/= chargers

[distant ice]

that melee bs doesn't get you hit 5m from the enemy, it's just the enemy teleporting around between attacks

[daring fog]

chargers are an entire different problem

[minor fractal]

Chargers

have a melee attack

You might have heard.

The thing you're complaining about in relation to sniper melee.

[daring fog]

i dont complain about chargers in relation to sniper melee

[minor fractal]

Then what are you complaining about in relation to sniper melee?

[tiny tundra]

Chargers would be able to sniper melee you tho on account of them having... Melee...

[daring fog]

normal sleepers and normal bigs

[minor fractal]

So are you talking about melee attacks or tongues?

[terse glade]

haha thanks I'll try this out

[minor fractal]

I find it kind of funny that chargers aren't a go-to when they were probably the best example of how unplayable sniper melee could make the game.

[tiny tundra]

First time I witnessed sniper melee was last rundown's D2 so they're what I think of first lol

[minor fractal]

The most capable of corner-tonguing, actually have a melee attack to hit you with, being a fast af enemy gives them literal cross-map range...

Not first for me, but I have so many memories of D2 Secondary being a miserable experience.

[floral acorn]

scaler "worst enemy is desync" vid january 27 or 28.. bbc does him in, "... what? excuse me?"

[minor fractal]

There was genuinely not a single good place to hold enemies coming from the bulkhead.

You get flanked, allow leaks, or take a guaranteed 18 damage from every single charger.

Maybe funnel left door, but even then if you mess up slightly you completely lose control of the situation.

[dusky tiger]

Me being punched by a giant charger 10 meters away

[wooden osprey]

cause ppl would say oh thats always been there since the start

[neon gust]

Y'all clowns

the official bandaid fix work just fine

[wooden osprey]

also back in the R6.5 days we couldn't say oh sniper melee is because of code and this is why it exists

[neon gust]

just wait for r8 or whatever for full fix

[minor fractal]

^

[wooden osprey]

we had to push the awareness with strikers

[neon gust]

the official fix its actually quite good, for what it does

its just nitpicky at this point

[wooden osprey]

all it took was sacrificing d0c Red

[neon gust]

its "fix", game its playable again unless the host internet its so caca that you might as well just switch him for someone else

[floral acorn]

i would dare say the buffer that was put in place still helps w jitter today

[neon gust]

they finally took my advice :]

I might as well become a consultor for 10cc

I dont miss baby

Now that sniper melee got "fixed", now we just need symbiosis rework

and shotgun sentry fix

[noble sierra]

We need a lot more than that, but yeah, appreciated to the sniper melee. Huge improvement.

[wary linden]

you mean symbiosis removed from sniper sentry 😛
also why not gave shotgun sentry back dmg back?... it would make it more unique since it would be a sentry worth placing away from you ... it's not like it is gonna down you from across the room ;p

[soft crater]

Give auto sentry Symbiosis

[neon gust]

Cuz its still aims at the head like a dumbo

[soft crater]

[neon gust]

you might as well fix it by actually fixing its targetting system

and aim center mass

[minor fractal]

Does it actually OHKO consistently w/ ShotgunSentryFix?

[wary linden]

It would still be weak

[neon gust]

also all sentries still try to shoot the head from chargers afaik

[stoic breach]

Can confirm

[minor fractal]

Oh, w8 it's a 15 damage sentry, right?

[neon gust]

oversight moment

[neon gust]

ye

buff it to 20.01

we good

[minor fractal]

It really needs 30 damage, like literally every shotgun.

imo.

[neon gust]

you do 20.00 and we get decimal

30.01

dont forget that 0.1

[soft crater]

29.98

[neon gust]

really important

[soft crater]

[minor fractal]

😔

[neon gust]

we dont want an r4 shotgun moment

on the shotgun sentry

gotta have that 0.1

[soft crater]

Wheres muh 0.1 extra dmg smh

[rose imp]

i would just give it 80 ammo instead

[stoic breach]

60 worthless ammo :/, 20 collective useful.

[soft crater]

That would be better but it wouldnt get a damage buff if that happens

[soft crater]

Warden tax*

[neon gust]

fix its targetting system
buff its damage
revert the rate of fire buff

you fix shotgun sentry

[soft crater]

60 shots imo would be more likely than 80 if they increased the ammo

[soft crater]

Just make it a scatter gun sentry kek.

[rose imp]

it would be funny if it had 80 ammo

it'll just become the better auto sentry where it can stagger multiple sleepers at once

[soft crater]

Except it has damage

[rose imp]

and still does good enough dmg to finish it with a few shots of your mains/specials

[soft crater]

Auto sentry meanwhile doing less than 1 dmg per shot

[neon gust]

because its a stagger sentry

[wooden osprey]

why does no one understand that?

[neon gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tRIjRVcHcQ

[wary linden]

Because it shoots at things... So it must be a killing machine right :p

Though tbh as a stagger machine rn compare to the current sentries we have... It is pointless

[minor fractal]

I don't think that was the point, though.

The point was that shotgun sentry, if it gets overbuffed, would be a stagger sentry that has really good damage.

[neon gust]

you wanna fix auto sentry, make it penetrate so it actually stagger more than 1 enemy at a time

[minor fractal]

I'd just uber-buff auto sentry's ammo.

[neon gust]

you have 798

[minor fractal]

It can have really good damage, but it'll take a while to get it out.

[wary linden]

Auto sentry would need more ammo and potentially higher fire rate with larger cone to be up to the level of effectiveness to compete as a viable option compare to other sentries

[neon gust]

it literally las 1min and a couple of seconds

dont quite remember

longer that the other sentries

[minor fractal]

Fair enough.

I'm just not sure how to make stagger good, really.

[neon gust]

most alarms are already 2 min

so it last you quite a decent chunk of an class 5 and onwards alarm

[wary linden]

Hel auto sentry would start a trend of hel sentries :p

[neon gust]

not like it matters

we already have broken ass hel weaponry on the primary slot

[minor fractal]

It's really good on weapons, but on a sentry it's next to worthless.

[wary linden]

We already have broken guns in general

[neon gust]

they already threw balancing out the window with weapons since r5

so why even bother

might as well do auto sentry pen since its stagger value its good

surges be damned

[wary linden]

Then we will get hel autopistol 🤣

[neon gust]

we already have hel combat shotgun in the primary

[soft crater]

Inb4 Hel MachineGun

[neon gust]

so not too far from reality

[wary linden]

Autopistol is the gun version of auto sentry... So it would be funny if they bring them back like this at the same time

[soft crater]

It's funny that I actually prefer Machine pistol > Smg

And then we have PDW that shoots like a Machine pistol but with Similar damage to AR

[neon plaza]

it could be about dmg drop-off values or something, but idk that much about behind the scenes anymore

[rose imp]

my original point was changing the shotgun sentry into the genuine hybrid sentry between sniper and auto sentry, instead of just being the inbred brother of sniper sentry

where it does good stagger, hitting multiple enemies with uno shot and if sleeper no die, it will die in a few shots of your mains/specials

i do not know why auto sentry is discussed because it is its own league

where it's just plain bad even if it's given the perfect scenario, situation and circumstance

they can make auto sentry good by simply making it penetrate or switch targets every few shots instead of burning all boolet on a singular sleeper

but that would make the auto sentry a genuine good option and 10cc cannot allow that

[rigid sinew]

this man gets it

[rose imp]

the current pure stagger support sentry does not work well in getfo because the opportunity cost of having that pure stagger sentry is the tool consumed and potential kills a genuine killing sentry can do

[wary linden]

It would fix the main issue of auto sentry vs 1 giant

[neon gust]

You do realize stagger prevents spawns right

[rose imp]

it is not a good support sentry because stagger does not work infinitely, you will eventually get overrun

unlike cfoam

[neon gust]

literally the game design that way

[rose imp]

which is why cfoam is also a bad tool

it's boring

[wary linden]

This man does not know how c-foam is the most versatile tool in the whole game lol

[rose imp]

it is

but it's boring

[neon gust]

can tell

[rose imp]

it takes out a lot of fun in the game

it takes out the fun of actually counting down for charger scout, it takes out the fun of killing waves

[wary linden]

Then by your logic. EVERY TOOL is bad

[rose imp]

they still haven't done anything with sleepers banging two doors so you can literally finish the r6d2ex uplinks without seeing anything

no i love sniper sentry

it helps thining out the herd

[neon gust]

it kills the whole wave now

[wary linden]

But it kill the whole wave for you lmao

[rose imp]

yea but r7 does not exist for me

[neon gust]

badger badger is that you

[icy cave]

it literally does what you said other tools do which makes them bad

[rose imp]

i do not know who that is

[neon gust]

A good man

[rose imp]

ok but cfoam does not thin out the herd

[wary linden]

An american hero

[rose imp]

neither does the r5/6 auto sentry

[icy cave]

it is a fresh new account so who knows

[rigid sinew]

ironically the most optimal technical way to handle enemies is to not kill them

[wary linden]

Ir does by preventing more spawn reducing ammo consumption

[rigid sinew]

kiting is proof of that

[rose imp]

ok but preventing spawns is boring and i have enough ammo for everything

[icy cave]

no it does better

[rigid sinew]

cope rundown 6 player

[rose imp]

r7 has enough ammo for everything so idk what you mean

[neon gust]

all rundowns have ammo for everything

trust me

[wary linden]

Every rundown has too much ammo. R6-r7 just have more then pre 1.0

[rose imp]

unless you purposefully wake up 3 moms in r7e1

and 3 scouts

then maybe you will have ammo problems

also if you do both class Xs in d1

i guess

[wary linden]

Lol no

You have enough ammo for both

Even to deal with snatchers

[rose imp]

depends if you're getting scans that forces you to push forward during charger class x

those ones are kinda sad

[wary linden]

Lmao no. That is the easy class X

[rose imp]

but idk i didn't have ammo problems

talking more about the majority

but that's merely an abstract concept

but i didn't shoot a lot during the shadow class x

we only really shot snatcher and ones that were actually blocking the way

[soft crater]

People who have ammo problems are ones not being ammo efficient realistically

So it is skill issue

Then again being able to stealth/melee effectively counteracts needing to use ammo as well

[neon plaza]

C3 moment

[soft crater]

Wym C3

That level a lot of ammo

[neon plaza]

mb got the levels mixed up

D2 moment

[worthy siren]

what do you mean D2 has more ammo than any other level

[neon plaza]

idk what ur talking abt

[worthy siren]

what rundown are you in rn?

[soft crater]

Who goin tell em

[viscid wolf]

[neon plaza]

ur cute

[viscid wolf]

eh?

[minor solstice]

Hello, I'm currently playing with my friend and when i respawned to a checkpoint, I'm holding a "collection case" mission item that I previously used to open a door

I'm not actually able to drop this case at all

Tried reconnecting and i'm still holding the case

[noble sierra]

Checkpoint heavy item issue, see #known-issues
You can try to leave the lobby, "enable a bot", suicide respawn from checkpoint, then join back the lobby to have a temp fix

[minor solstice]

Ok thanks!

[minor solstice]

Sorry for the ping, but to clarify, are these the steps:

1. Bugged player carry heavy item leaves the game
2. Lobby host adds a bot
3. Lobby host continues game and suicides to respawn to check point
4. Bugged player reconnect

Are these the steps that you're describing

[noble sierra]

Yes

[minor solstice]

Thanks!

It worked!

Actually kept the game on overnight just to not lose progress

Saved us!

[viscid wolf]

yay

[rough moss]

What is the server enemy desync that people have described? I'm unsure what it will mean when playing multiplayer as my friends haven't gotten the game yet.

[viscid wolf]

dont worry it got fixed recently!

ur safe

lots of other bugs to be worried of tho

[craggy pier]

was it fixed or "fixed"

[minor fractal]

Fixed.

[craggy pier]

[rose imp]

is snatcher a functional enemy yet

[dry pumice]

Clarify "functional"

[rose imp]

not straffing randomly, no stuck in tummy, no perma tentacle on face because it straffed mid attack animation, decent interaction with ladders

[tepid sand]

Nah, you'll still get tentacle animation stuck on screen or teleported and dropped off into void snatcher dimension

[rose imp]

cool rundown 7 is still genuine dogshit

[tepid sand]

Can fix tentacle animation by leaving and rejoining

Works sometimes

[dry pumice]

Eh, those fuckers are only present for the most boring of the levels, maybe bare C1.

I got snatched by them like.... 5 times total? Haven't experienced a single bug, thankfully

[tepid sand]

You'll see them in D1 Overload, D2, E1 and they aren't boring

C3 as well

[dry pumice]

don't care much for D1 and E1, but D2... Don't they only spawn if you take too long or something? Haven't seen them once there

[tepid sand]

They always spawn after checkpoint

before tank

or mother

sometimes after, but mainly after checkpoint

[dry pumice]

Hm. Never seen one

[tardy ingot]

C1 is litteraly in contention to be the most boring snatcher level (with E1, tho mostly due to its first half being snoozy)

D2, D1, C3 are all fun lol

[rose imp]

maybe you got carried so hard, you didn't even have the chance to see them

[dry pumice]

but i really enjoy the GLP hunt

[dry pumice]

One of those was a botched attempt where we couldnt survive after 10 checkpoint restarts

[tepid sand]

glp is boring

[dry pumice]

Made it to extraction point like 4 times? Not a single snatcher. Just children.

[tepid sand]

no tank/mother?

[dry pumice]

like 3 mothers, 1 of which was the big one and 1 really liked spawning right next to extraction point

we just couldnt grind through a fucking sea of children

[icy cave]

They only spawned after patch. before they didn't

[spark wolf]

i think its more simple

we skip the respawn at checkpoint last time and it still work

the bugged dude left, i added a bot, kicked the bot, bugged dude came back and wasn't bugged anymore

not sure if you have to kick the bot

maybe you can skip that too

[grave mantle]

hey guys, one noob question, how many sleepers can a single player manage with a hammer without one of them yelling? 3 or 4 max right?

[dry pumice]

Like, if they wake up at once? I'd say 4 at most, 1st one being the one whose death woke up the other 3.
I think you have enough time to maybe half-charge oneshot another 2 and then stunlock the 3rd, but even then I imagine it being a very close cut.

[hazy stone]

Are the difficulties of levels made easier if you have bots? Or is it always the same

[grave mantle]

yeah like all of them grouped, i think you dont have much time for the second half charge tho

[floral acorn]

always the same regardless of # of players or bots, alltho playing true-solo a teamscan takes 4 times longer to complete 🙂

[craggy pier]

didnt know about that last bit

[dry pumice]

Yeah, I think so too... So only take on clusters of 3 at a time. 4 and more will require assistance.
Or dagger...

[icy cave]

Always the same. The game is balanced for 4 players. playing with less than that will automatically make the game harder. It is doable, but at what price

[dry pumice]

Easier resource destribution

Always full ammo and all

[icy cave]

Yes and half competent bots that burn all the health immediatly. Miss half their shots, are terrible at mêlee, don't banter. sigh

It is doable, but you are kinda handicapping yourself

[dry pumice]

I meant like if the bot is removed completely

[icy cave]

In that case: even less banter, you are the only target so you also need to use more ammo, one tool etc etc etc

Again doable, but....

Saying that any of those is as easy as playing 4 man team is being delusional. (I know you did not say that)

[dry pumice]

Agreed, although I really like Bishop the Biotracker.

[icy cave]

Agreed

[cobalt pollen]

ability to pick preferred characters when

[dry pumice]

Don't make me tap the sign

[soft crater]

Canonically Hackett has Bio iirc

[hazy stone]

The ultimate question, how do we GTFO…

Anyway so how long does it take for new run downs to happen

[topaz anvil]

A while

[icy cave]

Around 6 months

[hazy stone]

That’s actually really solid ngl

Thank fuck

[topaz anvil]

Naw it too long

[icy cave]

Way too long you mean

[hazy stone]

For me, it’s solid cause I suck ass

So

For now

At least

[topaz anvil]

3 months is a reasonable length

[icy cave]

What you do is your business. I want my rundowns

[hazy stone]

But I feel like a pro rn I just learned how to melee kill scouts 👍

[icy cave]

He is learning

[cobalt pollen]

you want rundowns i want money

(im poor)

[icy cave]

Next step is you come here and say: where new rundown

[hazy stone]

I work a lot and I go to uni so I don’t always have time

But I’ll IMPROVE

[icy cave]

I'll tell you a secret: work

[hazy stone]

i want to get to the point where I can solo levels

[icy cave]

Watch T-nenpi on how to learn that. Good luck it's lonely out there

[hazy stone]

I almost got to 40% in the s class scan with bots practicing c1 yesterday

[dry pumice]

Kek

It means you died on first wave

[icy cave]

That's the start 😅

The level goes on

[hazy stone]

My squad and I keep getting filtered on the s class scan

So

[dry pumice]

Soloing pretty much exclusively require various kinds of cheese and mechanic abuse

[icy cave]

I gave you the way !

[hazy stone]

For solo I thought I was doing okay

[hazy stone]

Ah we didn’t play yesterday, I was using your tips tho

[dry pumice]

True solo* specifically

[hazy stone]

It was way better

[icy cave]

Pew pew faster !

[hazy stone]

My friends insist on using the spear

[icy cave]

Ah ok so the clear will happen

[dry pumice]

Spear is fine

[hazy stone]

How do I convince them that hammer is the way to go…

[icy cave]

Cut him out of your life

[hazy stone]

LOL

[cobalt pollen]

start speaking numbers and nerd until he is convinced

[dry pumice]

Spear literally deals same damage as hammer with minor differences

[hazy stone]

Wait what fr?

[cobalt pollen]

yes

[icy cave]

Sprinting and charging is NOT a minor difference

[hazy stone]

I just like the hammer cuz mobility allows me to dodge stuff

[dry pumice]

Yes, that too

Hammer and charge sprinting allows for aggressive rushing

[icy cave]

Mobility guys. mobility

[hazy stone]

ADHD mode activated

[icy cave]

It also saves you if cornered by scout

[dry pumice]

Spear works better with defensive posture - letting enemies come to you instead then you just stab them in the face

That's how I play anywah

[icy cave]

sigh one day

[dry pumice]

I tried using hammer yesterday and was disgusted by range

Suddenly enemies weren't getting killed by how I used to swing

I was just swinging at the air

[icy cave]

Practice makes perfect Artek

Once you master Hammer, the rest is irrelevant

[dry pumice]

I'll continue being spear hipster I suppose

[icy cave]

Fine

[cobalt pollen]

hipster!!!!

[icy cave]

when everyone is stubborn what more is there to say 😅

[cobalt pollen]

me when i hammer slide

[icy cave]

Anyways we'll hear how the next try finishes

[dry pumice]

I want to use the bat too, I really like how it looks

But every time I do I feel like something's wrong...

But I can't remember what

Biters randomly don't die from headshots, weird shit like that

[icy cave]

Poor lost soul 😭

[dry pumice]

Likewise, I hate how the hammer looks

It's so painfully generic

A fucking square with couple of bolts

What happened to the old weird ones?

They looked so cool

[icy cave]

That we actually agree on. I want the old ones back

[dry pumice]

[icy cave]

Meaby cosmetic wise?

Cause they down this path now, so it has to be something like that

[rigid sinew]

Wrong take
opinion invalidated

[dry pumice]

The problem is they'll have to develop a weapon skin system which is currently missing

Otherwise it won't be skins you unlock, but entire weapons

[rigid sinew]

ah

[dry pumice]

It needs new UI and everything

[rigid sinew]

makes sense I guess

[icy cave]

They can add it to the apparel

[dry pumice]

Like a separate "melee" tab?

What if they add skins for others?

Is it apparel for one currently equipped?

[icy cave]

They did skins for the clothing They can do one for the melee's

[rigid sinew]

i think something of that kind might be possible using some of lockout 2's code

[dry pumice]

Or is it a tab for every single weapon?

They'll have to solve this eventually

It needs a new better UI, one that will work in the long run

And then later can be adapted for firearms as well

[icy cave]

They added the skins in R6. Before They weren't there. So surely They can do the same for weapon skins

[dry pumice]

Hoping, hoping

[icy cave]

And ofc better UI would be great

[dry pumice]

What game had the best gear UI hmmmm....

[cobalt pollen]

gun customization

[icy cave]

ooof

[dry pumice]

Xcom 2 I guess?

[hazy stone]

I’m literally at work rn and I’m wiki-ing the hell out of this

[icy cave]

Way to much stuff to remember them all

[icy cave]

wiki ing C1?

[icy cave]

Played enemy within, not 2

[dry pumice]

Well it's either xcom 2 or warframe, those they use now are fairly flexible in application.

[hazy stone]

Also my friends and I looked at the recent patch notes and discovered something called “the snatcher” but I’m not gonna look that up because we wanna find out what it is

[icy cave]

Haven't played warframe as well

[icy cave]

Then do not wiki C1 !

[dry pumice]

200+ weapons

Can customise colours

Some have unique premium skins

Very intuitive too

[hazy stone]

Oh fuck

I wasn’t doing that

I’m just looking at like weapons and stuff

[dry pumice]

Ah

[icy cave]

Ah k then you good

[dry pumice]

Expect mid range shenanigans and rapid breaches

[hazy stone]

I believe in hammer supremacy

[dry pumice]

Nothing PDW / carbine coupled with choker can't solve

[hazy stone]

I didn’t know that sliding actually helps you dodge

[craggy pier]

I see most people using hammer

[dry pumice]

I just jump when they bite

[hazy stone]

Is the malatack assault rifle primary good?

[dry pumice]

Sometimes it works

[hazy stone]

I keep using that

[icy cave]

HeL revo

[hazy stone]

And it services me

[icy cave]

MG

[dry pumice]

Which one? The default rundown unspecific?

Eh, it's decent.

Perfect all rounder on all fronts.

So basic it makes me sick

[rigid sinew]

PUBG

[icy cave]

GET OUT

[dry pumice]

Oh right, those games exist too...

[dry pumice]

The special heavy one is good, but I can't stand the recoil anymore

Plus i got burned out using it constantly in r6

I play as tactical gunslinger these days

Default + high cal pistols

Such a funny combo

[icy cave]

Anything is viable really

Except the sawed off

[craggy pier]

HC the goat

[dry pumice]

Just use the gun you don't miss with

[craggy pier]

real

[icy cave]

Basically

[rigid sinew]

Sawed off my beloved

it's truly a weapon of weapons

[icy cave]

Ofc you liked it 😅

[craggy pier]

I guarantee majority of C1 cp usage is cos people cant aim

[icy cave]

Some have been stuck on that level for 1 week at least 😅

I get learning a new level but that is just too much

[craggy pier]

just remember, it's never your fault, always blame your team

[dry pumice]

I replayed a day ago

It's a very fun level when you just play it for the sake of it

And it tests a lot of different skills

[craggy pier]

it tests being good at aiming

[dry pumice]

Scouts in crowded rooms
Good wave preparation
Battle of attrition
Big boy massacre
Multitasking during error alarm
Breach'n'push

Pretty much had wipes on every step one way or the other

[soft crater]

[soft crater]

Quite a lot of people who used it in R6 mainly find it rough to use it in R7

I actually like this change. Being able to use HevyAR with that recoil feels more satisfying

[icy cave]

It teaches teamwork

[soft crater]

While also Main AR is alright. But that's all it is

[icy cave]

And that is good

[rose imp]

it's funny how the recoil change doesn't really alter how you use it

mm yes recoil is increased

[dry pumice]

It did though

[rose imp]

but you tap fire anyways

so

[dry pumice]

Do you?

[rose imp]

i do

[soft crater]

People who full auto's struggle

[dry pumice]

I tried to and almost vomited

It just kicks you right in the metaphorical face

[rose imp]

i can consistently get 7 kills per mag

[soft crater]

Hipfire or aiming?

[dry pumice]

The entire thing goes into my face and dases me

[rose imp]

both

[dry pumice]

Where am I aiming? Where do bullets go? Fuck if I know

[soft crater]

Hipfire is much easier than Aiming

[rose imp]

unless tap firing is a difficult concept to grasp

[dry pumice]

It seems you're supposed to burst fire it now

[rose imp]

then sure

[soft crater]

It's a RoF/Recoil control thing to get used to

Some people register tap firing tapping pretty fast

Also take into account the ranges you're doing this and what you're able to control

[rose imp]

i just shoot enemies

[dry pumice]

Yeah, like you would tap an average pistol

[rose imp]

they die

[dry pumice]

Modern warfare USP

[rose imp]

i don't need the overly complicated analysis

sounds like a cope if anything

[soft crater]

Many players don't just feel it like that so eh

[rose imp]

cope

[neon plaza]

short controlled burst moment

[dry pumice]

Just make It burst fire

[soft crater]

Short controlled burst honestly isnt that great imo

[dry pumice]

Like L4D2 scar

I'll take it

[soft crater]

Unless I commit to the full auto per striker

[neon plaza]

yeah but like I'm bad and can't fire individual bullets from a bullpup soo...
1-3 bullets per fire for me

[soft crater]

Imean bullpup has seemingly no recoil

[neon plaza]

yeah

it nice

[soft crater]

The point is for HAR that has plenty of recoil to cause skill issue

[neon plaza]

I'm just skill issue

but also I beat the easy rundown so I'm cool with it

[icy cave]

Remove skill

[neon plaza]

amen

[icy cave]

R1, R6 or R7?

[misty prairie]

just melee everything lol

no need to shoot

[soft crater]

Imo MG/HAR are in the seemingly same catagory to me in terms of use. Just different Rates of fire

[misty prairie]

i want r2 owo

[soft crater]

GTFO Alpha type Recoil

[grizzled widget]

i want the old mg

[soft crater]

[misty prairie]

I WANT GAVEL

[soft crater]

Arbalist?

[neon plaza]

all 3

[grizzled widget]

the OLD mg. r1 arbalist.

before the neutering in r5

[soft crater]

Drum mag Arbalist

[icy cave]

Then go get it 👀

[soft crater]

I c

[misty prairie]

Gavel gavel gavel gavel

[misty prairie]

where is my loved one...

[neon plaza]

pretty sure those are like th only 3 I've fully complete

I'm got most of the other ones close to done

[icy cave]

Those are the easiest

[soft crater]

[misty prairie]

that is a maul and everyone knows that maul is a choice of a sinner

[icy cave]

Well R3 might be easier than R7

[neon plaza]

just as I said

[grizzled widget]

#maulmen

[misty prairie]

r3 is babys first r2

[grizzled widget]

we have a sith lord on our side, what do you have?

#darth maul

[icy cave]

R3 was mommy intro

[rose imp]

depends on how you see it

[misty prairie]

just give me 12 r4e1's in r8 owo

[icy cave]

Technically there were momma samples in R2 yes

Just not mother herself

[rose imp]

no i meant difficulty

i do not care about lore

[icy cave]

Difficulty wise from easiest to hardest I would say: R1, R3/R6, R7, R2, R4, R5

[misty prairie]

i feel a need for more huge areas that this rundown doesnt seem to have too many of

[dry pumice]

Does it?

[misty prairie]

they are very vertical in terms of shitton of ladders that bedazzle my 10 iq brain

[grizzled widget]

lore is 90% of the game since r6

[dry pumice]

I swear there's a large ass room every level

[misty prairie]

i think c2 was great in terms of scale

[rose imp]

i don't need to be lectured and gatekept thanks

[grizzled widget]

its not gatekeeping, its facts

[icy cave]

I am just glad they brought back the R5C1 bridge

[grizzled widget]

we have significantly more logs per-level than anytime in the past

and logs that force-play during doors and scans

[misty prairie]

yeah, but it looses it's grandeur after you realise you can explore all of it

no huge open areas to leave your imagination wondering, idk