gtfo-related-questions

[wooden harness]

Nice! Thanks for the tip

[verbal zinc]

Make all clients disconnect before you type in the overload command. Let the snatcher spawn and then let your teammates join again. That way you only get one. Worked every time for me so far 🙂

[wooden harness]

Thanks for the advice! We will try it out

[cobalt pollen]

why were the difficulty names changed from high/extreme to main/secondary

like was there any reasoning behind that or is it just "its easier to understand"

[dry pumice]

I think its really just easier to understand, because frankly "EXTREME" is... Weird in game's context.
Like, what exactly warden implies with "extreme"?

Extreme difficulty? That's just meta shenanigans.

[dapper compass]

even High, you're told the game is rather hard but you don't really expect a game to go "Alright you have to do the High difficulty part at least"

Without any options below

[dry pumice]

"secondary objective" just makes miles more sense, because it's literally just that. Something warden wants you to do, but does not necessary requires if your squad is not up to it.

[craggy pier]

Main and secondary is nice n simpler

[dry pumice]

I'm still not sure about "OVERLOAD" though

What are we overloading exactly? Does it even has anything to do with us? Or is it a sector that is overloaded (with hostiles)? Still needs some work on that.

[cobalt pollen]

overloaded with unbridled rage of frustration

[craggy pier]

r6 layer names users 🤢

r4 and 5 layer name enjoyers 👍

[daring fog]

high extreme overload fit better

high risk -> extreme risk -> risk overload

[icy cave]

R4, R5 names had more weight. Also the repeating announcement on the bulk doors add some atmosphere

[craggy pier]

i don't know about you, but calling objs high and ex was pretty unique at first glance, the expedition screen and skull themselves implied the hierarchy

main and secondary are probably one of the most generic and boring names to call the difficulties

[daring fog]

if teh secondaries atleast changed the main somehow it would make sense

but the way they are atm? nope

[craggy pier]

r6 and 7 layers did so little in terms of both changing the dynamic of the level or being a seperate obj

look at r5c2pe, ex and ovl are both really well-designed objs that challenges players in time management and improvisation

r4d2pe, challenging players with map/tile knowledge and time management

r6d3pe was genuinely the only one that changes the dynamic of high and beyond

but they decided to nerf it because ????????????????????????

[spark wolf]

your mom

[craggy pier]

you're not wrong

they did nerf your mom's fog

:^)

[spark wolf]

layers still make most levels a lot longer then they need to be

optional

[daring fog]

yeah but duration aint any problem

[spark wolf]

but you gotta be the pussy to go stand in the main objective scan

[craggy pier]

as if it's bad thing when checkpoint users takes as much if not longer than r5 expeditions

lole

yea bro we need checkpoints because not all of us have the time to do it

I love civilized discussions

[dry pumice]

To be fair they are not meant to signify difficulty in lore. We have Letter+Number system for that.

It's literally:
Main - the objective warden actually needs done
Secondary - something warden wants to be done, but it's not critical / rudementary
Overload - a form of secondary objective that often results in confrontation with particularly nasty clusters of sleeper hive.

I don't care that they are generic - it's like saying that language itself is generic. These designations are instinctively simple to understand and are better just for that.

[craggy pier]

Really brings the community together

6 hour checkpoint expedition

[daring fog]

then stop making it non civilized lol

[craggy pier]

r6 players needing every little handholding possible known to mankind

sad

[craggy pier]

Not hands in unfortunately

[daring fog]

your 2 sentences where just that lol

[craggy pier]

where's the journalist mode like in the last of us 2

i think r8 players will need that

[dry pumice]

Ironically there isn't a single mainstream jornou review of GTFO

Not one that's famous anyway...

[spark wolf]

💀

[daring fog]

yeah cause they cant get past a tier

[craggy pier]

🗿

[cobalt pollen]

journalist trying to play the game logically challenge

impossible

[craggy pier]

i guess ign is not mainstream enough

even if they're a sack of poo poo

[tardy ingot]

before r6 it was litteraly

high, extreme and overload

as in danger level, high, extreme and overload

[daring fog]

yeah which actually makes sense

[dry pumice]

At which point one has to wonder: where's "low" and "medium" threat levels?

[daring fog]

no need for low and medium

[tardy ingot]

the main, secondary thing was most likely done cuz some new people were like „huh what is what, what should we do?“

[daring fog]

those are called real life

[cobalt pollen]

i dont think anything inside the complex would warrant a low and a medium

[craggy pier]

Extreme objective 😂

[tardy ingot]

theres no low and medium warnings lol
theres no low danger in the complex

medium danger level is also the same. Its warning you about a highe danger level

[craggy pier]

Just say secondary

[dapper compass]

my mom is an extreme objective

[spark wolf]

that one pumpkin in the garden environment is low threat

[craggy pier]

[spark wolf]

the chance of the pumpkin killing you is low but it is not 0

[daring fog]

medium are the trees

they can kill your pc but dont have to

[tardy ingot]

i mean extreme objective makes less sense than secondary objective

But extreme danger level makes a lot of sense

[craggy pier]

the real threat are the branches

[dry pumice]

"high" threat level being the default is somewhat counter-intuitive and is just the game trying to be a diva

[craggy pier]

cuz they block bullets

😔

[dry pumice]

Rating objectives as primaries and secondaries is how it's done, pure and simple

[daring fog]

and the doors even say THREAT LEVEL extreme THREAT LEVEL OVERLOAD @craggy pier

[tardy ingot]

i mean a hardcore/extreme game litteraly isnt based off „normal“

[daring fog]

so its threat and difficulty instead of objectives

[tardy ingot]

for casual games

[spark wolf]

yeh they renamed it cuz accessibility

[craggy pier]

Sure the threat but not the objective

[dry pumice]

...and actual militaries

[tardy ingot]

litterally, if this game was irl there would be no „medium/normal“ danger. It would start with high

[dry pumice]

Point me to a general who will present you with "EXTREME OBJECTIVE"

[tardy ingot]

In high danger situations? No

[dry pumice]

or "OVERLOAD OBJECTIVE"

[tardy ingot]

thats in lore lol

[dry pumice]

Well, the lore's shit then

[tardy ingot]

point to me a physics prof who will present you another dimension

well, the lores shit then

[dry pumice]

[tardy ingot]

what a take

[spark wolf]

irl lore is wild

[dry pumice]

The doors themselves make sense actually

Warning you of detected threat presence

But it make reduced sense for objective hierarchy

It's kinda weird to name the objective an "extreme objective" because its an objective inside an extreme zone

[tardy ingot]

yeah. And the threat levels make sense aswell

If theres no special threat detected it doesnt say shit.
If its high danger -> high
Extreme -> extreme
Overload -> too much for the system to handle

[dry pumice]

What if the zone you get dropped in is already extreme (which something devs could easily do, or something that should be possible in-world)

[tardy ingot]

you didnt read my part earlier did you?
I said secondary objective makes more sense. But high/extreme difficulty makes sense

[dry pumice]

The main objective then should become the extreme objective?

[tardy ingot]

i mean thats a point based on a level extremes being easier than d tier main/high

but that could be argued as in „the specific sector“

[craggy pier]

No need to say More than this

[tardy ingot]

And then youd always drop into a lower danger sector most likely

[dry pumice]

The holes we use to deploy are not intentional, they were made by some explosion or another. Us having access through them is quite lucky on our part. I can easily see warden having no other option than to deploy prisoners in a sector that has "overload" enemy presence.

Hell, current D2 could be argued to be that already. The sheer amount of shit that has to be murdered in that one...

[craggy pier]

Well main objective overload threat 🤔

[neon gust]

I rather die than call it a secondary objective

we doing EXTREME DIFFICULTY BABYYYY

GTFOOOOOO!!!!!

[craggy pier]

Biased

[neon gust]

Yes

I think you meant to say based

Cuz thats extreme

[craggy pier]

Yes

[craggy pier]

baseddragon

[turbid horizon]

anyone figure out the exact makeup of the D2 post insertion waves?

because I've seen a lot of different things after the same CP reset

[mossy aurora]

You will get both shadows and chargers, snatchers, and a 2nd mom or tank depending on which door you opened to get cell

[turbid horizon]

ok so that explains where those chargers came from

[mossy aurora]

What is FRP

Furry role play?

[turbid horizon]

and I assume they spawn at elevator

Fog Repulsion Power

[mossy aurora]

They can spawn anywhere ahead, behind, side zone in tank zone

Once you leave the zone that has the long bridge with the first blood door though that triggers a spawn in elevator

[turbid horizon]

I see, anti cheese measures exist

My friend and I were going to have me sacrifice myself, but we realized that something was happening

;-; I wanted to be a martyr

[turbid horizon]

so there

isnt supposed to be a third mom/dad?

[daring fog]

as long as they can no longer spawn on extract while you there its fine

[mossy aurora]

You can have someone be the martyr and kite the wave while someone else sits on extract , but the snatcher makes it more difficult than it was pre patch

Uhh I'm not sure if a 3rd mom/tank spawns of you take too long

[lapis grotto]

is the small circle a one shot or in range

[daring fog]

range

[mossy aurora]

But for sure if people go tank zone and see a 3rd tank, most of the time it's because the wave spawned in A in tank zone, the wave screamed in there and then it woke up the sleeping tank/tanks

[daring fog]

if you mean for melee

[turbid horizon]

k I was going off fireblade VOD but I realized that the third mom might've been that rogue wave in the patch notes

[mossy aurora]

Yeah they cleared it prepatch

[turbid horizon]

ok got it, ty!

[daring fog]

they dont have any oneshot indicators ingame atm

[past otter]

Does the sniper sentry still one-shot scouts without alarming other scouts in the room?

[turbid horizon]

OHKO yes, but it should alert other scouts

[past otter]

My bad, I meant if it's placed outside the room and shoots them from the outside of the room

Still the same deal tho?

[daring fog]

if its same as sniper as long as its the 2 room away rule it shouldnt alert. closer i havent tested

[turbid horizon]

I believe it depends how far away the other scouts are

[past otter]

scouts are the fkn worst

so far...

[turbid horizon]

heheheeh

[distant gate]

Scouts are the best

[lapis grotto]

are the shadow enemies in this rundown

[craggy pier]

B2
C3
D1
D2
E1

[distant gate]

spoilers

[craggy pier]

[soft crater]

Are there enemies in this rundown?

Yes

But are bugs fixed?

No

[drifting mauve]

classic exemple of a GTFO veteran ^

[mossy aurora]

classic exemple of a GTFO newbie ^

[vital hawk]

how do you deal with the mothers or the tanks in d2? during the constant alarm at the start

[viscid wolf]

shoot em

have a sniper or two

and choose tank side

[vital hawk]

thanks

i wasnt sure if you had to brute force it or there was something else to do

[cunning plank]

How do precision modifiers and weak spots interact with each other?

[viscid wolf]

its all multiplicative

u multiply them together

weak point is head so u just take any damage modifiers time each other

striker occiput with sniper is 40 (base) * 2 (back) * 3 (head) * 2 (pm) for 480 damage

u still get headshot bonus so always aim for head if u can either way

@cunning plank hope this answers!

[cunning plank]

do tank/mother pustules count as weakspots?

[viscid wolf]

they do

[cunning plank]

So you could 4 shot a tank with a sniper?

[turbid horizon]

nah each tumor has a damage cap

i think its 150

[drifting mauve]

What the

[mossy aurora]

👑 👑

[past mesa]

True but the tumor doesn’t have a stagger dmg cap

[soft crater]

Iirc its 7 shots from a sniper

[turbid moss]

Guys, we have reloaded the first D1 checkpoint and we have soft locked the game it seems? We have 1 fps, the checkpoint scan is there, the door keeps opening, the sounds are bugged and its always server syncing. Is this fixable somehow?

Overload btw

we had 1 snatcher at the other end of the map before saving, can that be the problem?

[distant ice]

sounds more like networking got screwed

[turbid moss]

We had to end that run as noone could get back so we can maybe rescue the game by reloading again....

Also I don't think its networking, the game started eating up all of the resources of my pc and it did for the clients as well

they crashed because of it

[noble sierra]

Sounds like daily D1 experience

[turbid moss]

is it common?

[distant ice]

That in particular maybe not so much but D1 is known to be the worst level

General performance, memory leaks, checkpoint bs, pouncer count bs and so on

[noble sierra]

Not really that common, but you're the third one I've heard of.

I personally encountered once, stuck after a checkpoint, broken image/sounds, have to reopen the game.

And I believe you can see several people post the bugged images in #gtfo-media

[soft crater]

I'd say it's pretty common

Particularly runs that attempt to do it with Overload

[turbid moss]

Ah man we were so eager to do overload and finally got to the checkpoint and this happens

[soft crater]

Overload has to be done at the very beginning

Otherwise you lock yourself into main only

Overload essentially makes main path in a way. "More Fun"

Other people just say it's buggy asf

[turbid moss]

What do you mean by that?

Only the 2nd checkpoint can be reloaded safely then?

[past mesa]

All the checkpoints can be reloaded but there are some issues with the d1 checkpoint soft locking games

[turbid moss]

Okay well we'll reconsider doing overload next time then...

[soft crater]

D1. The bulkhead control at the beginning. Is the only time you can opt for overload. If you choose main. You're now locked out of overload

There is only 1 bulkhead key

Even if you choose overload. It's fixed in that you cannot progress further until the overload obj command on the terminal is sent.

[turbid moss]

Yeah yeah I know that

[brisk cliff]

someone remind me what peewee means

[proper summit]

will there ever be any sort of anti-cheat or report system?

[soft crater]

difficult considering GTFO doesn't even track steam's recently played with players

[proper summit]

damn, i ended up with a griefer on my first game back in a while and figured i should ask

[soft crater]

best bet is to just leave those games

someone willing to grief ain't worth the time

[noble sierra]

You can DM @uneven gulch to report with video evidence.

[vital hawk]

is E1 harder than d2?

[open fossil]

At the very least it's longer than D2. Assuming you're doing it normally

[viscid wolf]

E1 is much harder than D2

tho both are much easier than their respective tier

[minor fractal]

Yes imo.

E1 has more actually hard shit.

D2 is balls-to-the-wall, but that's an aesthetic more than anything, and it's especially not that hard to carry on.

Teammates just have to be non-brain-dead defenders.

Not that hard.

[vital hawk]

i see

thanks

[iron fractal]

Besides gameplay mechanics, any reason for the security door scan craziness? Any lore behind them and why they require the scan systems to open?

[dapper compass]

My best guest as to why you need scans is that everything is on lockdown and you need bioscans to make sure the person operating the door is a fully functional human and not a mutated sleeper.
For the part of why would the scans go around in the room in all sorts of crazy way, I don't think there is any explanation but I'm fine with "it's gameplay"
If my explanation of bioscanning holds up, I'm still wondering if the complex was designed like that to ensure only personnel of X classification could operate them or if ever security door was built retro-actively after the sleepers outbreak

[cobalt pollen]

probably scan malfunction lol

[dry pumice]

Yeah, scan malfunction is really the only explanation we can go with

It did went on for years without any maintenance

But even then, what kind of malfunction is that?

[cobalt pollen]

my assumption is either warden wants to torment you or something fucked up so bad not even warden can do anything about it without fucking it up even more

[daring fog]

e1 harder then d2? not really

only difficulty with e1 is snatcher bugs and desynchs

[hard nexus]

when is Dauda getting Nice voice line?

[soft crater]

They all have the lines

The lines sometimes bug out though

[dapper nimbus]

They don't know how to program voice lines

[turbid moss]

Guys any tips on being successful on D2? Got to the apex door where we died because of the enemy count lol

[mossy aurora]

[turbid moss]

Yeah well I've got that far lmao

[mossy aurora]

did you put in the terminal command for the checkpoint to activate

[turbid moss]

nah because we got overwhelmed, I also don't know what it does

I mean like we tried to clear them first a bit cause it could be an alarm I don't know

1st time getting to the apex

[mossy aurora]

don't put in the command until all 4 people are in that room, it will give you a 140 second break, but if someone leaves the room then you get punishment waves starting

[turbid moss]

is it worth putting in while getting run over by 6 chargers, 2 mothers and at least 186 sleepers tho?

[mossy aurora]

yes, put it in, then wait to finish the checkpoint scan until all the enemies are on top of you so you can softlock yourselves

[turbid moss]

lmao

ok I'll keep that in mind lol

[mossy aurora]

if you bring a sniper or two, the tank side might be easier for you guys

[turbid moss]

Yeah thats what I was about to ask

[mossy aurora]

the left side has mom and will spawn a mom for the defending people, right side has tank

[turbid moss]

when getting the cells, can we choose tank or mother?

to spawn in waves?

[turbid moss]

nvm

you answered it already

[mossy aurora]

both sides will have a cell or two in them so yeah you can choose

[turbid moss]

yeah but if we don't choose mother, no mother will spawn right?

[mossy aurora]

correct

[turbid moss]

makes sense

Okay well we'll try again I guess

[mossy aurora]

[soft crater]

[stoic breach]

Pubs always tank side. Reliable team always mom side.

[ruby wasp]

I open both

[tribal nimbus]

i Have a question for c1. fog or no fog

[north palm]

Removable fog

[stoic breach]

Fog is more fun. No fog is much easier to do.

[ruby wasp]

Yup

Hence why R5B2 PE was the best level

xd

[dry pumice]

No fog, fuck fog

I like seeing

[icy cave]

F that level to the deepest circle of hell

[ruby wasp]

It's hilarious how R5B2 PE could've been much better if the error alarm always spawned behind us in overload

[shrewd dirge]

fog is overhated
infection is neutral
spitters are underhated

[cunning plank]

If you play without bots, does that decrease the amount of enemies that spawn?

[stark spade]

no

[jaunty bear]

@cunning plank there are no difficulty adjustments no matter how little or many people you play with

[obsidian depot]

how 2 doorbug?

[opal moat]

[stoic breach]

No

[glad portal]

Do you only get cosmetic items for each first mission completion or is it just completely random?

[cobalt pollen]

check apparel acquisition on the right side in rundown menu

you only get what it says

[glad portal]

ah

Thanks

[fierce nebula]

apparel is half random and half depends on the mission

it's impossible to collect every apparel

[dry pumice]

I played with a guy who got the glass backpack as his first random reward for A1

Meanwhile i've beaten the whole rundown and got only crap

mostly different kinds of twink shirts

The only good thing i got are the pants with protective kneecaps

[young socket]

in act 1 and the terminal ping isnt showing us where the item we need, its acr_a02

is this a bug or am i being stupid?

[jaunty bear]

youre probably being stupid

take a screenshot

[young socket]

trying but it wont let me paste it into chat

[jaunty bear]

send to me directly

[dry pumice]

Are you trying to insert the thingy into the thingy or trying to execute the command for mr Schaeffer?

[dapper compass]

try query instead of ping

ping is local Zone only

unless you're in the last room

[young socket]

insert the thingy into the thingy, first game in what i want to say was atleast 8 months so i forgot we had objective item, since we gave it to a bot to carry all map

fixed ^^, was just a complete derp lol

[dapper compass]

good luck on the rest !

[young socket]

at this rate will probably need it XD - ran off without the item got to extraction and was like we gotta readd the objectives

[dry pumice]

Yeah, you really should

Always found them to be utterly forgettable

[dapper compass]

give the baby a little spin and walk them back home

[dry pumice]

There's something about it... You just kinda forget WTF you're doing between 30 minutes stealth secions and 3 minute scans

It's like "wow i killed like 200 monsters... Why did i do that again?"

and then you spend next 3 minutes trying to decipher Warden's worthless objective stacks

[dapper compass]

tbh the objective stack is much better than before

when you query a key it shows up for example

don't even need to stay at the terminal, it updates before the command even finishes

[turbid horizon]

ok so in D2, the first split zone, do you have to go to a certain zone, or is it choice? Just looked at my terminal in a bot run (normally my friend is running terminal) and it said I had to get from 213

just curious bc we wanted to pick 212, but I ran the level like 3 seperate times and didn't get a single run with 212

[topaz anvil]

Is that the zone to the right as you enter the room

[desert falcon]

First pick is set by the password location. Getting 212 3 times is just luck based

[turbid horizon]

man ;-;

is the second split also luck based?

[topaz anvil]

What's stopping you from exploring 212

[topaz anvil]

no, cells spawn in both

[turbid horizon]

nothing really, just was trying to see how far I could get with bots and ik they can't handle chargers

[topaz anvil]

😔

[turbid horizon]

yeah the Bob's just killed all three bots

instantly

and I was on sniper reload

sooooo

[wary linden]

2nd split of D2 has 3 cells. 1 in each zone guaranteed.. but one zone will have 2 cells... that zone being choosen randomly

but the most fun you will have in that level is by opening all doors anyway to begin with 🙂

[turbid horizon]

hehe well we haven't even cleared it yet

[topaz anvil]

so basically the rest of the level is ||[REDACTED]||

[turbid horizon]

no we know the entire level

we got extract to like 54%

but then dad

[topaz anvil]

L

[turbid horizon]

that was only with 2/4 of our players, so I definitely think we can beat it

and also before we knew ab the thing thaat triggers if you leave bridge room

[topaz anvil]

People say D2 is E tier or whatever i don't remember, but it really isn't that bad kek

[turbid horizon]

short but difficult

[topaz anvil]

It's the same difficulty as D1

[turbid horizon]

honestly my group struggled the most with C1 so far

[topaz anvil]

C1 is actually F tier

[turbid horizon]

not on our first run

but when we were trying to get our 4th through, we just got such a bad seed for the last 2 zones

like SO MANY sleepers right behind the subzone doors

came back at it another day and 1st tried it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[topaz anvil]

Just a mentality issue

[turbid horizon]

same kinda thing happened with D1

we took like 5 CP restarts at the last CP with our 3 stack, and finally limped to finish, figuring out level and such

meanwhile, we came back with our new 4th, and screwed up so much at the beginning, then beat it with no cp 1st try

4 players vs 3p 1 bot is such a difference

[topaz anvil]

Man I want to rejoice with the old no cp days

E1 no cp is a good start but it's not enough

[turbid horizon]

I still stand by the fact that they're really nice for groups who can beat the levels but don't have enough time to redo an entire level over and over

also nice for learning/practicing certain parts of a level

[topaz anvil]

C1, C2 have too many checkpoi8nts

[turbid horizon]

I think R6D1 definitely had too many, and I agree that certain levels do

C2 I also agree

I think the story levels having 1-2 more than average is a good thing

C1 has what, 3?

no wait it only has 2

I think that's fine, if you survive the first S1 scan, I think getting a CP is ok

B3 I thought had a good spread as well, the one checkpoint is in a nice spot in the level

[topaz anvil]

C1 only needs a checkpoint just before the Climax and I say that begrudgingly because I am not a fan of checkpoints before major events

[turbid horizon]

I mean, I think it's fine because it's following the GLP rush, so it's securing your position of having got the GLPs

same mentality for the zone 13 cp, follows the S1 scan

[topaz anvil]

naw Zone 13 cp is completely ott

[turbid horizon]

huh, I think for the length of the level, it works

[topaz anvil]

"You survived set waves of large enemies visible for hundreds of metres for 60 seconds, good job, take this checkpoint"

[turbid horizon]

Ok but also for a newer player, they've also survived Zone 23

which will not be kind to them by any means

[topaz anvil]

Bold of you to assume a new player would even realise 23 exists

[turbid horizon]

for a more experienced player, yeah the CP doesn't mean much, but newer players might need

[turbid horizon]

well at that point it's just a matter of whether they were paying attention in EVAL

[topaz anvil]

no, we get plenty of messages saying that the fog is too much on C1

It's not even a new player problem

people just don't read

[turbid horizon]

couldn't be me :3

[cobalt pollen]

z23 has been my second nature at this point

lowering fog is optional but doing so rewards you with more visibility

[turbid horizon]

If they are paying attention though, they've cleared both a difficult zone and a S1 alarm, which can be difficult w/o the right weapons

[topaz anvil]

If you've done that without the right weapons, you are going to not have a lot of fun with the rest of the level, even with cps

[turbid horizon]

yeah

[topaz anvil]

I think personally we need less checkpoints overall, and there should be stages in each tier where no checkpoints exist

as a test for that tier

[turbid horizon]

one thing I do wish I had seen was the Tier lock system

[wary linden]

also rewards you with more resources

[turbid horizon]

saw something about it on the R4 wiki page, where certain tiers would be locked behind certain amounts of main, secondary, Overload, PE

looks cool ngl

[topaz anvil]

That was in R5 too

[wary linden]

it served to weed out people who were not ready for lower tiers

[turbid horizon]

I figured

[wary linden]

the rundowns could have been more brutal with this system in place still

[dry pumice]

Nah, this is fine, they'll be weeded out by death

[wary linden]

r5E1 was hard to unlock because so many people had issues with the C tier of that rundown. they were just not ready for an E tier if they couldn't do a C tier entirely

[turbid horizon]

I've heard about R5 in general just being difficult

[wary linden]

it's not really

it just challenge players on stuff the majority didn't want to do

[topaz anvil]

R5B2

[wary linden]

C1 was forced stealth in respawn rooms... that most people sucked at stealth so they died... C2PE most people didn't know how to coordinate for overload or how to kill moms/tanks efficiently in time... + being an endurance test

[weary mesa]

All the rundowns without stamina and enemy slowdown were pretty easy

[wary linden]

you were forced to complete at least one of those (or both D tier) to unlock E1

[turbid horizon]

Ic

[wary linden]

and D1 was the most punishing level of that rundown

[topaz anvil]

Kinda want to see R4E1 with stamina and just see how newer teams throw themselves at ti

it

[wary linden]

C3 and D2 were pretty chill... C3 challenged players by only giving you 4 uses of ammo on the main path but having to do multiple alarms back to back.. you needed to understand how tools worked

[weary mesa]

Only bad part would be the beginning that’s about it

[wary linden]

D2 was just a reactor with a twist

[topaz anvil]

Thats the part I want to see

[wary linden]

the enemy density would need to be lowered in the 1st few zones... mainly cause you can't kill with melee as fast as back then

[weary mesa]

Huh

[wary linden]

you had enough ammo for 6 tanks

[turbid horizon]

luckily I've watched gameplay of these levels so I've got something to go off of

[wary linden]

if you were shooting the sleepers.. you'd had enough for 5 tanks

[topaz anvil]

You also had burst cannon + burst cancel

[wary linden]

heh.. you can beat the level without that weapon

[weary mesa]

And 5* pen hel revo

[wary linden]

hel rev is the most busted weapon in r4

[weary mesa]

But again it’s fine without those

[topaz anvil]

You also had a pretty busted sniper sen

[weary mesa]

Sniper was fine for tank

Just took a little longer

[wary linden]

try going in with 2 people running revolvers

🙂

[weary mesa]

We did

Was fine

[topaz anvil]

m8 I ran shotgun

[weary mesa]

Extreme was cowboy hour

[wary linden]

it's much more fun then to rely on BC

[topaz anvil]

Please find me a random lobby that didn't bring bc

[weary mesa]

Actually have to aim

[wary linden]

find some friends

[topaz anvil]

I have friends

;c

[wary linden]

there you go. a lobby!

[topaz anvil]

well yeah, when you have a static that are familiar with how to play, BC isn't your first thought. What I'm trying to say is that random pubs will almost certainly have a BC in it

[wary linden]

i mean i don't know any of your friends. if they make a pub... it is a random pub. 🤔

[topaz anvil]

and they'd likely take a busted weapon to compensate for not knowing how capable you are

[wary linden]

seems like they have no trust in people

[topaz anvil]

Trust is earned and built, it's not just there

I can trust my teammates to carry because I suck balls

but I can't trust a random to do the same

[wary linden]

heh

all i say in pubs is " don't worry about it" with what i bring... just a difference in mentality i guess

i play for fun. not to sweat every run

[cobalt pollen]

i love shenanigan runs

[topaz anvil]

I'm fine with losing due to skill issues, but I don't join pubs to sweat or play for fun entirely, I join because they want help with a completion

[wary linden]

sounds closer to sweating then playing for fun. since you need to focus more when helping people reach their completion

else you ain't really helping them 😛

[topaz anvil]

My message got blocked because it had the f word in it

;c

I'm not playing to "mess" around (as that would be for fun), but I'm not gonna go full 13 year old, gamer chair sweat mode, bhopping and screaming at my teammates to get up and help and micromanage

[turbid horizon]

oh has anyone found a good use for Shotgun Sentry yet?

[viscid wolf]

[turbid horizon]

I discovered on D2 it actually is ok if it's on a ledge pointing down

[viscid wolf]

I dont think theres a use for anything other than sniper

[turbid horizon]

i mean burst is nice for clearing too

[viscid wolf]

sniper can do it twice as fast and much more efficiently

they overbuffed it too much with bio

[wary linden]

you might want to reconsider that... there is one scenario where burst will always be better... and it's against hordes of babies

[daring fog]

nothing beats mine deployer against babies

[wary linden]

if you have a door

[viscid wolf]

are they any levels with hordes of babies

[wary linden]

you need a door for that

[daring fog]

no need for doors

[viscid wolf]

other than c2ext

[daring fog]

just mine the wall you run towards

might be seen as suicide but the babies also die

[dry pumice]

I believe not, that's literally the only level that has them

Although i believe there are mothers in both D2 and E1...

And 2 more in D1?

But pretty much all of them are optional / stealthable

[daring fog]

you can easily make e1 moms up its just a respawn room and will 99% of the time lose your run

[cobalt pollen]

you can just avoid d1 mother

if you dont plan on lowering class x charger alarm

[craggy pier]

don't even need a door

just circle a bit then mine the floor

:^)

[spark wolf]

melee E1 mom to death
leave the zone
melee E1 mom to death
leave the zone
..

[turbid horizon]

If you had 8 IIX syringes…

Wait a minute

Ok hold on I need to do some math

Ok so a IIX spear should do 204.75 dmg to a tumor bc it has the precision multi

[weary mesa]

don't matter

Sacs have a max damage cap

[turbid horizon]

wait tumors are 5x

Exactly

Ok an IIX spear will one shot a tumor

Without much damage falloff

So if you had 4 IIX stored nearby

I think you could do it?

YUP

if you managed to store 4 IIX syringes right next to boss birther and had another 4, and your entire team had spears, you could melee kill a pMom

It would do 4 more damage than necessary

[weary mesa]

oh Pmom

[turbid horizon]

Because tumor

Yeah

For regular mom, hammers would do

Actually you almost wouldn’t need IIX

Spear would do 113.75, and tumor damage cap is 126 for regular birther

Ok so full charge plus small charge should finish a single tumor

Or a tiny melee booster

Wow ok this is funny

I want to try now

[blazing heath]

Is it possible for the player to put down a mine and then the person with the mine deployer to pick it up?

[dry pumice]

nope

[dapper compass]

Only mine deployer mines can be picked up (by any mine deployer users I think which means you can trade mines between each other if you ever run two lmao)

[dry pumice]

consumable mines are one use and then they are set forever

[dry pumice]

oh really?

[dapper compass]

I'm not 100% sure

but I don't think the game will do that kind of checks

[blazing heath]

Cool thanks

[dry pumice]

4 mine deployer strats lmao

[soft crater]

No

[craggy pier]

what are the snatcher's critical spots

[soft crater]

front and back (the fleshy bits when it opens up)

[craggy pier]

front seems to do normal dmg

[steel valley]

front is vulnerable but not weak

it has no crit point

[craggy pier]

and what exactly is back

[steel valley]

only the standard back multiplier

positional damage bonus

be behind the snatcher

back damage is never tied to a hitbox, only orientation of the player and enemy

[soft crater]

back damage is tied to the skill level of the player's gaming chair

[craggy pier]

ive been getting inconsistent gray markers

[noble sierra]

Snatcher's armor hurtbox is annoying, yes.

[craggy pier]

mine is cheap like 120$

[soft crater]

still 115$ more than mine

[craggy pier]

[soft crater]

props up my folding chair

gamer mode tho

leans forward

[zenith blaze]

Yo.. door 93 not found in B1, so stuck at door 95. ..... Did I miss something..?

[dry pumice]

Excuse me?

Ho... What is your current objective? (top left text)

[zenith blaze]

find the item in area 93 for to unlock door 95..

[dry pumice]

Collection case?

Are you in a large super open room with lots of bridges?

[topaz anvil]

You are in the large ass room right

[zenith blaze]

yes collection case .. and y

[dry pumice]

Zone 93 is on the exact opposite side from door to zone 95, if i understand correctly

But it needs a generator to open

[topaz anvil]

What side do you enter from (N/S/E/W)

Is it South

[dry pumice]

The cell for the generator is in zone 94 (its a door on the opposite side from were you initially came)

[noble sierra]

South side it is. The security door is hidden to a stairs going downward.

[zenith blaze]

I put the generator, does the door open automatically after putting the generator?

[topaz anvil]

So you go North for cell, then East for the collection case, and then West for the rest of the level

[topaz anvil]

No there is an alarm attached

[noble sierra]

No, the cell in east side, Z93 in south side

[topaz anvil]

That moment i meant what side do you enter the large hub room and you say South

[zenith blaze]

I did all the doors, only the 95 remains....

[noble sierra]

I'm answering south to the one wondering where is Z93

[topaz anvil]

Bruh

[minor fractal]

What is on the opposite side from z95?

Is that door open?

[zenith blaze]

yes all are open

[minor fractal]

Okay, where is the collection case?

[noble sierra]

Then go into Z93, use a terminal to ping collection_case

[zenith blaze]

lol...in area 93 which I can't find....and I'm playing with the screen on lol...

[minor fractal]

Ping it

go to that spot

It will tell you the area it's in on terminal as well

[noble sierra]

Z93 is in the south side of Z92.

Z92 is the big room, Z95 in its north, Z94 east with a cell, Z93 in south requires a cell

[zenith blaze]

I'm no longer in the game, tired of going around in circles...generator put, missing collection case...

[minor fractal]

Use the terminal

[noble sierra]

Take a break then, GTFO has a deep learning curve

[zenith blaze]

terminal used....

[noble sierra]

Try again later, better with help from #lfg-beginners

[zenith blaze]

can we find a door with the terminal

?

[noble sierra]

Yes

[dry pumice]

I believe so actually

you can actually query and ping them like any other item

its just there's usually no reason to

[zenith blaze]

ah...i didn't know....but i opened all the doors and i didn't see a 93...i'll try again later thx..

[polar flare]

Q: is R7 too dark or something was wrong? because i cant see anything at all without light

[craggy pier]

averagely dark

[polar flare]

but in R5, i could see a little bit without any light

as long as i get closer with that, but R7, i cant even see the ground without light

[craggy pier]

my gtfo experience starts with R6 🤔

[polar flare]

rip

so uh, could u see sleepers without get so close with them?

[craggy pier]

in the dark no

but i got good ears so i could locate em when its dark

[polar flare]

nice

[small scarab]

new to the game. my buddy and i are trying to play A1 from the beginning and we both ready up but we can not start the game.

[open fossil]

Host needs to Initiate cage drop after everyone is ready. If that ain't working then I don't know

[small scarab]

ok

how do i invite a friend?

how do i even add a friend

[dry pumice]

I had a bug when i first played, something happened with lightin

it looked all wrong and darkness was blinding

other than that it seems to be normal

[noble sierra]

GTFO simply integrates Steam's social function. You can invite via Steam's invite, also if your steam friend opens the game, he/she can see the game you hosted.

[small scarab]

well when ever we click and hold initiate cage drop it doesnt do anything

[small scarab]

do you and your friends have to be on the same server. my buddy is in korea

[craggy pier]

if host is too far from you it wont be fun

latency slaps like a b*tch

[small scarab]

i want my money back. we cant even start a game together

[noble sierra]

Refund then

[fierce nebula]

GTFO doesn't have dedicated servers
it all relies on one player hosting from their own PC

[lament spade]

whats the tool loadout for d1 OL?

[viscid wolf]

sniper sniper bio cfoam/mine

I find cfoam a bit better

[lament spade]

thank you

[viscid wolf]

good luck

[gusty wedge]

what does the extra cfoam portion booster do, i feel like it takes the same amount of cfoam to foam a door

[noble sierra]

Full charge -> 12 ammo for c-foam.
With 100% c-foam portion, full charge costs only 6 ammo.
But you always need 9 to foam a door.

[gusty wedge]

so i'll need to use 9 foam blobs but it will take less percent of tool?

[mossy aurora]

yes

[ivory forge]

does anyone else get motion sickness when playing?

[craggy pier]

sick armour hurtbox

[glad portal]

I have been having desynch issues in a1, anyone got an idea why that might be?

[craggy pier]

i suggest bio mine 2 sniper sentry cfoam not needed at all cuz you need ammo for sentry

[dapper compass]

3 sniper sentries can work too if you plan to tackle the class X charger alarm (which I recommend)

[craggy pier]

without bio sure

but a burst also can help

[dapper compass]

no I meant with bio

but for the early waves you don't want to scan them too much to avoid the double shot bug where it waste ammo

i guess one burst can help

[craggy pier]

burst pick n place when needed

to help stagger when chargers get overwhelming

[dapper compass]

Ah this is something I simply do not understand, High Caliber Pistol go brrrr

[craggy pier]

well i did it with bots so they dont shoot right away for some reason

they also like to shove large amounts of enemies instead of shooting

so i have to do stuff myself

[dapper compass]

oh yeah bots are a different story ofc

[verbal zinc]

Yes I had to lower my FOV to 40 and now it’s much better

[shadow flower]

I think you forgot a 1 before 40

[verbal zinc]

oops

[ivory forge]

Yeah I popped mine up to like 100, feels a lot better now

[polar flare]

normal means could see something right?

[dry pumice]

Somewhat. Basically my lighting was very borked - everything looked very unnatural, like a poorly made alpha version.
B1 was basically pitch dark for most of the level.

[polar flare]

i see

thanks bro

[dapper compass]

That happens when you change graphic settings while being in game, usually, fixes after a restart

[dry pumice]

Yep, that seemed to be the case for me.

That being said, people do claim that R7 seems to be darker than R6.

I'm not sure. Can't quite remember R6 anymore, but A1 was somewhat dark.

[dapper compass]

I remember A1 being dark too, but I couldn't play R6 much and during B1 I had the lighting bug too

[spark wolf]

lights have been buggy for me forever

sometimes i'll enter a new zone and it will just take multiple seconds for the lights to work

[turbid horizon]

R6 A1 had a couple really dark rooms in 78

[spark wolf]

and R6A1 was indeed dark

it was dark for every combat situation

[dapper compass]

that happens to me a lot during D1, the level is kinda heavy on my computer

[turbid horizon]

Oh god yeah the class III was very dark

[spark wolf]

this A1 it's just the 2nd alarm thats dark

[turbid horizon]

Yeah, idk which A1 I liked more

I do like the run back to extract with the child

[noble sierra]

True, back in R1A1 when I realized I have to run all the way back with constant waves I shit my pants

[verbal zinc]

It's just a large level with a lot of things going on.

[soft crater]

Me wanting a better pc to play GTFO for Higher frame rate and graphic quality bugs

[mossy aurora]

If they're going for class X reduction, aren't there multiple charger scouts in that side?

[craggy pier]

He said he's going for overload so the chances of a snatcher slipping in and alerting the scouts is high

[mossy aurora]

🤯

[soft crater]

Just pray tanks dont spawn in the hall way

Or Moms are all in the last room

[noble sierra]

There's actually enough resource even if you alert multiple scouts and/or mothers/tanks, besides having 1/2 players holding the snatcher while the rest stealth in to fetch the key/get the terminal is also quite manageable. For some teams aren't comfortable with charger class X going to Z204 could have a better chance.

[neon gust]

Snatchers cant scream

🐸 🐸 🐸

And if overload works properly you have like 4 min in between snatchera

Wich its more than ample time to clear a room or two

[craggy pier]

fr?

[wary linden]

Depends of the quality of the pub :p

[neon gust]

If in gonna start, thinking abiut the quality of a pub or teammates then guides are gonna be 10000 hours long

You either do or dont

BUt mY tEam CaNt

Dont care

[neon gust]

On god on god

🐸 🐸 🐸

[craggy pier]

i'll take your word for it

[neon gust]

Bussin bussin

[wary linden]

But think about all the video you could make by splitting that 10000 hours guide into parts ;)

[neon gust]

Youll catch me dead on a dumbster before i do that

Ok so heres the first room for novices, intermediate players and experience ones

Jesus christ

😫 😫 hell.no

[wary linden]

You forgot the "i just bought the game and jumped into a random pub lobby" category

[neon gust]

"Can my friend join my match even tho he doesnt have the level???"

6 hour match

[wary linden]

You forget to include the hours of checkpoint resets

[neon gust]

Nah 6 hours was the first room

[mossy aurora]

No 🧢 ?

[young socket]

did they make this rundown a little easier? feels like a1/b1 liast rundown (when i started) was alot harder ?

[distant ice]

Or you just got better at the game

[tacit zealot]

i reckon both are harder

r7

[neon gust]

Fr fr

[dry pumice]

Hmmmm. A1 feels about on the same level, but might actually be harder because the final alarm is in your face and in your way, unlike last time where it was behind you and could only catch up when you are already entranched at extraction point.

B1, despite technically having same enemy composition, feels much harder due to chaotic nature of gardens' map structure and that one scan with enemies spawning 1 room away because fuck you. And the T-scan, of course.

[cobalt pollen]

i feel like r6a1 was harder than r7a1

[viscid wolf]

both are harder imo

[dry pumice]

IMHO R6A1 it could be an illusion due to the fact that it used a more opressive and CQC tileset of drilling sites while R7A1 uses more welcoming labs tileset.

It's more open, harder to get lost. Just feels more welcoming.

But the final error alarm of R7's is objectively harder than R6's just because it's in your face and not behind you. I also think there's more Big Boys around. R6 had like 2, while R7's has like 4?

[turbid horizon]

R6A1 felt harder in terms of layout, but overall I think R7A1 is probably harder simply because of the nature of the extraction

like for a new player, that extract could go very wrong

[mossy aurora]

Ong?

[spark wolf]

R3 the HARDEST rundown spawned a wave of HYBRIDS when you took the baby out of the machine on A1

[soft crater]

B1 currently got nerfed too. :/

Used to have more scouts and they actually spawned 2 rooms away in that alarm before collection case. They spawn 1 room away now

[spark wolf]

new players fuck up the scouts so the question is if it's harder to fight all scout waves this time

[soft crater]

R6 had a lot more diminished alarms too iirc

[spark wolf]

and the answer even after reduced scout numbers is yes

bad rooms to fight in

[soft crater]

Running C3 and waking scouts.
Me and my friends: man how did we lose WITH ammo???

[spark wolf]

and B1 has the new environment too which is still poopy

[soft crater]

(Our usual set up is 3 of us and 1 bot as a side note)

[spark wolf]

decreased fps its also extra difficulty

[soft crater]

Need better gaming chair for better frames

The one I'm looking for comes with a built in 3090

[spark wolf]

if i lock my fps to 60 i can't solo A1 anymore

[soft crater]

Rip

[spark wolf]

and 60 isn't even bad

i played on 30fps in R1 and R2

[soft crater]

I want 120 frames so I can see bugs with higher frames

[spark wolf]

[icy cave]

R6A1 was way easier than R7's

[young socket]

i understand the alarm is in your face for a1 but it just felt like not much spawned at all during the alarm ? going through a1 i just felt like there were less threats overall and at the end we sat in extraction zone and didnt even see a single thing while it ticked up. b1 map was certainly awful cant argue with that 😄 - i suppose in the end its like @distant ice said and maybe i got better but that might be wishful thinking 😄

[dry pumice]

I liked R6's A1 because it was technically the first GTFO level i ever played. My initial introduction. In retrospect i can't quite remember what was truly problematic about it...

R7A1 has the potential to spawn enemies right in your face from the start.
R6A1 had enemies only spawn behind the scan doors. The first large cave was always completely empty.
Here R6 held back. Although it did made for an amazing atmospheric introduction. Looking at the entrance to that cave was spooky.

Then we have the first alarm.
R7 currently spawns first alarm behind a door that can be reinforced / mined.
R6 spawned them from a security door behind and so the waves could only be stopped with firepower or tactically placed C-Foam.
Sleepers also used the badly lit mining trenches to their advantage to approach you from cover and shooters could take potshots while hiding in the dark.
So here R6's alarm was actually harder. Always remember it to be kinda annoying if sleepers ever managed to breach into the cave.

Then a couple of rooms... Yadi yada, same stuff, although i think R7's has more large guys.

Then the 2nd alarm. Hmm.
R7's has a single entrance that sleepers always use (i don't know what could possibly cause them to use the other one). Don't actually remember if the wave had big guys or not...
R6's had like 3 doors and enemies seemed to attack them at random, so it was harder to prepare for this one. I believe there was always a large guy or 2 as well. The room was also next to pitch dark, so that could cause problems as well, if they ever broke in.
Point for R6?...

Then we get the finale, which as already stated: R6's pushes from behind and you usually meet it already entranched at extraction point.
R7's manages to send like 3x3 squads at you from upfront (and mind you - one guy is busy carrying the objective) before becoming a back-problem again.
To be fair, R6's finale was more agressive, from what i remember. Lots more enemies.

No, only cosmetic unlocks.

[ruby wasp]

In retrospect i can't quite remember what was truly problematic about it...

1. The rundown itself being optimized like hot garbage
2. It being the easiest A1, so easy that it should've been a tutorial level rather than a tier A level

[neon gust]

Fr fr

[neon gust]

You didnt like the 20 min of story everytime you play a level

[ruby wasp]

Ah yes, the story

the thing that occured mid scan

no subtitles

[soft crater]

Iirc. R6A1's Alarms are Diminished ones. Meaning it isnt full waves that spawn

[dry pumice]

So is R7's

[soft crater]

R7A1 they arent diminished lol

Go check it

[dry pumice]

Really? I played it like 2 days, i swear they were

class 3 diminshed or someshit

or was that B1....

[soft crater]

I know the class 2 ones arent

[dry pumice]

i mean, it's class 2 so...

[soft crater]

I'd have to check the class 3 again

[soft crater]

The thing is the first alarm in R6A1 was a class 2 diminished vs R7 first alarm being a class 2 full wave

[dry pumice]

But i do think now that R6A1 alarms were harder for no other reason than just having a more annoying environment. Multiple doors, those trenches, pitch darkness there and there

And my memory might be shit on this, but the final wave seemed to be... More real, can i say? Those bastards REALLY wanted to break in

[soft crater]

I can see mining environment being harder/darker I suppose

[dry pumice]

I remember them piling up on the entrance like mad

[soft crater]

And yeah R6A1 final wave is harder than R7A1 waves

[dry pumice]

So i guess the question is what is harder: a real wave, but you get to setup defenses, or the half-assed wave but it's in your face while you try to just walk through

The latter feels more psy-opsy if anything

[soft crater]

R7A1 waves are like 3-4 at a time versus R6A1 extraction waves are like diminished swarms/or full coming at you

Some beginners I recall not being able to hold off those waves

(I had afk in extraction scan these times)

[dry pumice]

I failed R6A1 like 3 times with bots

Couldn't get my head around the security scan leading to the artifact

They would break in and just eat the bots alive

Then again, i did gave them random ass weapons...

[soft crater]

Beginner / no tutorial/knowledge essentially

[mossy aurora]

Doesn't diminished mean that they start out not as full waves but ramp up to them?

Didn't r6b1 have diminished alarms

[craggy pier]

yes cell door was class 3 diminished

[minor fractal]

Is it being piss easy that big of a deal, tho?

It's A1.

[ruby wasp]

Depends on the purpose of A1

If you see it as a tutorial level, then eval shouldn't exist anymore

If it is not, then A1 being THIS easy doesn't make sense

[dry pumice]

What's your propostion? Drop dimished alarms? Make them a little bit longer?

[open fossil]

But Eval is basically Tutorial for a single person, while A1 could be viewed more as a tutorial for a group. Don't see any real problem with it being on the easier side, while being at least somewhat challenging to a completely new group

[steel valley]

^^

[craggy pier]

well A tier levels shouldnt be long nor short, they should give players a taste of what they'll expect for the rest of the rundown

[minor fractal]

I don't see why you wouldn't just do that with A2.

A1 is just a playground, and it does fine at that job.

The EVAL is very much not a playground.

[craggy pier]

eval only shows players the basics

[open fossil]

Expecting the first level to be overly challenging is honestly just strange? But all that aside, i'm pretty sure new groups still struggled with R7A1 anyways

believe it or not this game might actually be somewhat difficult to those that don't know how to perfectly dodge every single attack sent their way by side stepping, or perma-foaming doors, and everything else

[dry pumice]

This reminds me that for 2 rundowns in a row we only have one A-tier mission

[ruby wasp]

Because EVAL exists and is supposed to serve that purpose of being a tutorial level

[minor fractal]

Okay? But what do you want them to do with the A1 space?

Also, again, A1 isn't really a tutorial.

It's a playground.

It's the base game w/ all of its mechanics, but with very little challenge.

[open fossil]

playground for a new group of players to kinda just... experience the game for the first time

[dry pumice]

That does seem to be the concept, yeah

A = easy
B = normal
C = hard
D = very hard
E = ?

[minor fractal]

Like, what about old A1s is distinctly better than this A1 or R6's A1?

[open fossil]

Like tool choice doesn't matter much in A1, but every tool can be put to use atleast somewhat in A1. Doors to foam and mine, somewhat decent sightlines. Bio is always useful

And you can argue the difficulty of the B C D E levels this rundown, saying how previous rundown levels were harder and such, but I don't know why you'd want to die on the hill that is wanting A1 to be hard

[dry pumice]

Again, if they want "easy, but not actually easy level" - they can always just add A2

But it seems that B have taken over that role pretty much completely

[ruby wasp]

Use it as a level that's neither a tutorial nor a very hard one

[minor fractal]

So... literally what it is?

[ruby wasp]

Something new players can consider to be hard yet to be the easiest of each rundown

[minor fractal]

-Not a tutorial.
-Not very hard

[open fossil]

is.. that not what it is?

[dry pumice]

Which again - what do we do about this A1 for example to make it "harder"? Removed diminished alarms as a concept, add some extra rooms and sub-objectives?

[ruby wasp]

R6A1 & R7A1 aren't

[mossy aurora]

Bbc error

[minor fractal]

Yeah, you because you know how to play the game.

[ruby wasp]

Even R4A1 which was easy is still harder than these

Did you check R5A1 ?

[dry pumice]

And why was that exactly?

What did it do specifically?

[minor fractal]

Yeah, and R5A1 was a big mistake.

Horrible A1

[dry pumice]

More enemies? Bigger enemies?

[minor fractal]

Every other room is fucking packed in R5A1.

[ruby wasp]

Even with 1000+h anyone can see it's the hardest A1 level

[open fossil]

R7A1 doesn't teach you anything. It's not a tutorial in anyway, as the game doesn't instruct you on what to do at all. Nor is it particularly challenging

Sounds like it fits your wants to me?

[ruby wasp]

More enemies, more doors to handle during alarms, an optional objective for those that want even more challenge

[steel valley]

• prenerf had respawns for the whole second half

[dry pumice]

But at that point it sounds like a B tier mission

[ruby wasp]

Yet it's not B-tier

[mossy aurora]

Bbc error ..

[dry pumice]

Also from what i understood R5 was like a "goodbye" rundown to the beta players

[ruby wasp]

R5B1 high 😳

[minor fractal]

Funky, I think it says a lot about GTFO as a game when new players are still dying on A1 in both R6 and R7.

The level doesn't need to be very hard to feel challenging.

Because GTFO is a very unintuitive game.

[dry pumice]

Again, i failed R6A1 like 3 times

[steel valley]

r5 was the booster intro rundown and despite them saying it wasn't balanced around them i'm pretty certain that was the intention

[dry pumice]

two with bots and one with actual players

[steel valley]

all the levels were cranked up a tier

[minor fractal]

That's why it should be pretty easy.

[ruby wasp]

Then either i'm a goddamn genius for finding R4A1 easy the first time i did it or something is wrong with the game

And i hardly believe i'm a genius

[minor fractal]

You absolutely need some agency to get through A-tier comfortably first time playing.

Specifically if you're not w/ a carry.

[ruby wasp]

No carry, only some friends that were trying the game with me

Anyway

[dry pumice]

Again, what do we do with this A1 to make is slightly harder, but not B-harder?

Remove diminished, throw extra 2 sleepers per room?

Maybe double amount of large boys?

[ruby wasp]

Use what defines B-tier levels, nerf each of the points, there goes your A-tier level

[dry pumice]

What's the problem with it, figner-pin-pointed?

Hm

From 2 rundown i've experienced - B-tier (especially B1) seems to have 3 definining features:

• first scout encounter
• first fog encounter
• aprox +20 minutes to beat

[ruby wasp]

I mentioned them before ?

lack of enemies, lack of doors to handle during alarms

i.e enemies all come from the same door

[dry pumice]

So uh... A single scout in A1, a single room with a fog and uh... 10 minutes of extra gameplay?

[steel valley]

scouts were in a1s for a while

[ruby wasp]

So there is little to no management

[steel valley]

r2 had two and r1 could have like 3 if you were unlucky

[minor fractal]

Multiple doors is usually a bad thing. Makes it harder to understand the spawn mechanics.

[steel valley]

3 had one as well

[ruby wasp]

That's why retrying & checkpoints exist

[minor fractal]

Never seen 3 in R1, don't think it's possible.

[steel valley]

could be memory

[open fossil]

Having A Tier be more introduction levels hardly seems like a bad thing. If R7 had an A2 that was harder than A1, and maybe featured a secondary objective to introduce bulkheads early on would be something

[steel valley]

i remember having 2 in the third room and i think i had one in another zone but it's been two years

[ruby wasp]

If the average beginner used its brain properly, it'd at least try to understand why the enemies are trying to hit a door in particular rather than the others

[dry pumice]

Nah

THey hit door

That's bad

Brace for impact?...

[jagged shore]

can someone explain some numbers to me:
knife does 2 damage base
normal striker has 6x occi multi (12)
knife does x2 damage to sleeping lads (24)
so why doesn't a tap hit with the knife to the occi kill?

[ruby wasp]

Because funny

[minor fractal]

Sleeper multi might be 1x at min charge.

Or you're fucking up the angle.

[ruby wasp]

I think there is the same issue with hammer ?

R5 & below you could one tap strikers

[jagged shore]

definitely hitting from behind
from front head doesn't explode, from back it does

[steel valley]

someone told me that precision multiplier scales like the charge damage

idk if that's true but could be it

[mossy aurora]

For spear the precision multi scales with charge percentage for sure

[jagged shore]

precision multi is 1x for tap on the knife so shouldn't matter

sleeping thing might though

[minor fractal]

"LightSleeperMulti": 1.0,
Back damage is not a binary, it climbs linearly based on angle between 112.5 degrees and 22.5 degrees.

[open fossil]

gotta be right behind em basically

[mossy aurora]

Your occi multi isn't 6x if precision is 1x with no charge

[minor fractal]

It is, though?

[jagged shore]

that makes sense then
i was definitely right behind them i assure you

[mossy aurora]

It's still 6x with no charge?

[minor fractal]

Yes.

2 * 3 * 1 is still 6

1x isn't a penalty.

[mossy aurora]

Wait what's the 2 and 3 for

[jagged shore]

back and head

[minor fractal]

2x back damage 3x head damage.

On strikers specifically.

[viscid wolf]

[mossy aurora]

Oh I was saying the 3x could be 3x only at full charge

Like isn't spear like that

[minor fractal]

?

No.

Again

1x isn't a penalty

1x w/ 3x is still 3x

[mossy aurora]

Someone told me spear precision scales with charge which is why it doesn't no tap a shooter head

[open fossil]

though honestly if you're using the knife, why not go for a full charge on your swings anyways, take's like less than a second to full charge or something

[minor fractal]

It does scale with charge

RyK

[jagged shore]

this wasn't cause i had issues in an actual run or anything, just thought about the numbers and loaded up a1 to try it out

[open fossil]

knife has a 2x on sleeping enemies

[mossy aurora]

Isn't precision multi head multi or does it multi the head multi

[minor fractal]

1x 👏 is 👏 not 👏 a 👏 penalty

[jagged shore]

was purely curious

[viscid wolf]

👏

[jagged shore]

it's on top of the head multi

[mossy aurora]

I thought head multi and precision multi are the same thing

[minor fractal]

Head crit * precision multi

[viscid wolf]

meme

[minor fractal]

No

absolutely not

[jagged shore]

precision is weapon based

[mossy aurora]

Ah

[viscid wolf]

review

[jagged shore]

head is enemy based

so they stack

[minor fractal]

Hammer has 1x precision multi as well

always

and it still gets head bonus

[open fossil]

Yes, a single no charge knife swing to the occiput should kill a sleeping striker, but keep in mind the second the sleeper is in an active, awake state, it will not 1 tap

[minor fractal]

Weapons w/ sub-1 precision also don't lose damage on head shot.

[jagged shore]

ty for this though that makes it make sense

[minor fractal]

They still get more damage

[mossy aurora]

What about precision multis with tumors

[minor fractal]

Works exactly the same as every other crit.

Just w/ the extra over-damage rules.

[mossy aurora]

So if a weapon does 20 damage but has a precision multi of .5 how much damage does it do

[minor fractal]

10 * the crit multi.

IOW 20 * 0.5 * crit

[mossy aurora]

Is crit weapon dependent or body part dependent

[viscid wolf]

u have to hit head

[minor fractal]

Body part/enemy dependent.

[mossy aurora]

For tumors

Is it 2x

[minor fractal]

It's in EnemyBalancingDataBlock

It depends

[steel valley]

ray do you know why the client scattergun could overdamage tumors?

[minor fractal]

Iirc Tank is 3x and Birther is 5x.

[mossy aurora]

[minor fractal]

I don't know the specifics, but it's related to pellet weapons. If I had to guess, it's only stopping the damage once, and then every other pellet that hits that tumor still goes through. It might also be the case that it sees that each individual pellet doesn't do enough damage to overdamage, so it lets all of them through even though they collectively are doing significant overdamage.

W/e it is, though, it's definitely something specific to client not checking something that host can.

Probably a similar issue as w/ burst weapons being able to get extra head shots before client is being told that the head is destroyed.

[steel valley]

i was thinking something similar, just didn't really make sense to me since the tumors should damage cap, even if extra pellets are connecting

[minor fractal]

It depends on how it's coded.

Lots of annoying interactions like that.

Pump shotgun is a great baby killer on host, but terrible on client.

Because one baby can eat all of the pellets on client.

But on host it will always blow-through.

(for head shots)

Although now that I think about it, doesn't the blow-through happen on client? So not sure why that interaction feels clunky.

[steel valley]

might be inconsistent with ping

you know dead bodies blocking shots and that

[minor fractal]

Probably.

More net code issues 😔

[noble sierra]

Basically we won't have a weapon precision multi smaller than 0.67 though.

[minor fractal]

It does actually have a failsafe.

It prevents itself from losing damage, so it'll just default to body shot damage on crit if it goes under that.

(not that I expect them to allow for that interaction).

[steel valley]

oh also randomly going back on the subject of knife not occi killing i'm pretty sure the stealth bonus scales with charge

i got clean hits and they didn't die

[minor fractal]

Yeah, it starts at 1x

[mossy aurora]

Snatcher doesn't have precision multi right? Only back?

[minor fractal]

It does, but I have no idea what its crit spot is, if it even has one.

On release we thought it was the tentacles while shooting over it, but I have no idea anymore.

Hard to tell when crit makers are slight back damage or not.

It's either 2x or that's just a default and it's not used.

[open fossil]

well now I gotta boot up the game to check

[craggy pier]

machine gun or heavy ar for crowd control?

im thinking of the benefit of heavy ar since of its versatility

im trying to duo as much as possible

?

[wary linden]

the machine gun is probably better in every situation...

[turbid horizon]

I prefer MG, but try both and see how they feel to you

[minor fractal]

HAR is just a bit slow, and MG has more damage overall.