gtfo-related-questions

[white kettle]

Anyone know if the room-wide scan during C1 ends in an continuous error alarm? Or do the waves stop spawning?

[noble sierra]

Continuous

[fair fulcrum]

are the 4 legged monsters - that take me away - the so called snatchers?

[daring fog]

yes

[noble sierra]

Offically pouncer/snatcher. But you can call it whatever you want.

[topaz anvil]

imagine calling it a pouncer

[harsh tendon]

I call him Swiper

[topaz anvil]

Swiper no swiping

[dry pumice]

Yeah, it's exceptionally cringe because they literally do no pouncing.
L4D hunter actually pounces, this thing just walks up to you, grabs you, and goes home.

So that name really makes no sense and we should stop calling it that.

[distant ice]

the devs called it pouncer and the devs are the only single source of truth we can have in this game

naming logic aside it's simply rational to call them that

[dry pumice]

Not when they are literally wrong by definition of a word.

[weary mesa]

The word do work

You just think it’s tied to jumping

[dry pumice]

Is it not?

Let me rev up google

[craggy pier]

it pounces because as you can see

when it does the attack animation, it jumps up

[dry pumice]

It doesn't, it just stands up

That's the animation they leaked during r6

He stands up to get a clear stomach shot

[craggy pier]

there's an action where he springs up to grab you

so

it's a pounce, technically

[dry pumice]

To spring or swoop with intent to seize someone or something: a cat that pounced on a mouse; watched the falcon pounce on the baby rabbit

Technically counts, but I can't describe his animation as springing or swooping

[weary mesa]

call it what you want I'm just saying to works

[vivid kayak]

Tentacle dogs

[dry pumice]

And I'm saying it's cringe

[weary mesa]

He do be jerry

[dry pumice]

Then again this game's naming conventions were always pathetic

[minor fractal]

Pouncer is only popular because the anti-snatcher crowd legitimately doesn't have any other names they can get to catch on.

[distant ice]

literally only call it that because i interact with code more than i do with the community kekw

so joke's on you

[weary mesa]

snatcher is cringe then, that's not the ingame name of it

[dry pumice]

Data mining doesn't count

[distant ice]

honestly who tf cares what we think

devs called it pouncer, pouncer is a legit name, gg wp

don't like it, add it to the dictionary

or go to 10cc and rename it

[minor fractal]

Imagine calling a charger a "bullrush"

Smh

[dry pumice]

Kek

[distant ice]

if it'll make you complain about it

i'll call them bullrush anytime

[vivid kayak]

BBCs

[dry pumice]

One day they should add like a codex update and finally give enemies proper nicknames

Personally I vote to rename shooters to sporeheads

[distant ice]

yes clearly that's what devs should focus on instead of all the other things that need fixing

[dry pumice]

Never stoped any of them before...

[distant ice]

stopped what

they've never renamed an enemy

as far as we know anyway

[dry pumice]

I was talking generally

Never stoped any devs from working on new cute stuff instead of improving what's already there

[distant ice]

so you're saying that it's even less likely that devs would rename them

[dry pumice]

I'm not saying rename

Technically many enemies do not have an officially acknowledged name

[distant ice]

depending on how you define that, either none or all have it

[dry pumice]

The only ones the game uses are "the sleepers" - which basically applies to all of them - and "Big boys" which specifies the threat level, but still not much helpful

[rigid sinew]

bad thing be bad
me go brrrr essentially

[dry pumice]

Everything else seems to have been created purely by the community and exists purely as a meme (scientific definition), which explains the unimaginative naming conventions

And even then

[drifting mauve]

Artek

[dry pumice]

Why tf are we calling them strikers

They literally never strike

They bite

[drifting mauve]

What’s the scientific definition of meme wtf

[distant ice]

it's Artek himself

[dry pumice]

Concepts and ideas behaving like pathogens - spreading and "infecting" individuals

[drifting mauve]

oh shit, didn’t know that

Alright thx

[dry pumice]

For example the childrens' games like tag and hide and seek exist purely as memes. There is no book that explains the rules, children just explain them to each other with words only.

[topaz anvil]

You have lost the game.

[distant ice]

seem to be losing it a lot recently

[topaz anvil]

I sacrificed my own runtime just for this

so thats kinda disappointing

[distant ice]

well you lost the moment you remembered it

[topaz anvil]

Exactly

So I went to spread the frustration

I think my longest was like 9 months

[dry pumice]

Wtf are you talking about

[neon gust]

Watch out guys the GIANT_BULLRUSH

🐸

GIANT_RAPID_FIRE_SHOOTER!

😩

[dry pumice]

Watch out, it's the Ass_Buster

Placeholder names are placeholder for a reason.

[soft crater]

Ah shit. Daddies coming.

wut

[mossy aurora]

The noob....

[daring fog]

dont forget squidward

[fallen goblet]

Hey guys, me and my friend just bought GTFO today. Any specific tips for anything to know before I get started tonight?

[ruby wasp]

.t tutorial

[uneven gulch]

New to the game? Check out these guides

GTFO isn't a game where you'll find a classic "press space to jump" tutorial, instead, we tried to make the first map A1 as self-explanatory as possible. A quadrant in The Complex has also been secured for Evaluation of new players. We also collaborated with the community creator Professor Scaler. He made one guide for A1, and one that touches more on the different systems in the game.

A1 Guide
https://youtu.be/x2ppSAewh7k

Beginner guide to GTFO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdMxvQ0Jiv8

[ruby wasp]

this should help you

[fallen goblet]

Thank you! Looking forward to getting into it

[spare lintel]

hey! is there a way to invite friends to a game?

[open fossil]

Should be able to directly invite em via steam overlay, but you can also provide them your lobby code. If they Copy it onto their clipboard a new button will appear on the rundown screen saying something like "Join via Lobby Code"

[spare lintel]

i might be missing it but is there a private lobby option? im only seeing matchmaking that goes into public

[open fossil]

Select the level you want to run with your team, and then "Host Lobby"

[spare lintel]

thank you!

[open fossil]

no worries mate

[azure parcel]

Is there any level which has infection in it?

[ruby wasp]

Several of them

The list : ||B3, C2 & E1||

For the last one it's a false issue

Rather it prevents you from going back to loot

[daring fog]

any news on if we get any bug fixes before r7.5?

[distant ice]

It's still mid vacation

[daring fog]

so nothing before 7.5 gotcha

[distant ice]

I hate extensions

[daring fog]

id rather have real bug fixes

but since we dont get them i hope for a bug that causes the game to deinstall itself or corrupts it so they actually have to work ^^

[minor fractal]

Well, no, we don't know rn.

There were some major bugfix patches post-vacation in R6, so pretty likely.

...surely

[distant ice]

Post vacation bug fixes are just the perfect warmup after 4-6 weeks of vacation when you've forgotten wtf you were doing

[daring fog]

nothing much going by how most bugs from the last bug fix patch notes can still be met

[soft crater]

[neon gust]

Their vacation ends in a week afaik

So we gotta wait

[distant ice]

from what i remember they don't really start doing anything until like mid-august

[floral pecan]

took a break from a while, how is the game looking? Apparently there is a new rundown

[lethal pendant]

Rundown 7

[floral pecan]

still got that C2 helper from the previous rundown, lemme change that

oh sweet it is the new one. Any major changes?

Hell yea there is an E level

[drifting mauve]

goodluck my dude

new weapons are cool

[viscid wolf]

@floral pecan oh hi it's been a while

[latent obsidian]

Hey man welcome back 🙂

[daring fog]

its less than they hyped it for

[soft crater]

[floral acorn]

wb :)

[floral pecan]

It has been a while indeed, appreciated

[floral acorn]

well i believe u gonna love c2 this time around, mighty juicy fun

[floral pecan]

i am interested in that E1 a lot, never played a E level so far

the worse i've had was probably one of the first D levels where you mostly died from fall damage and it was dark af

mostly cause everyone was new to be fair, but it was a blast

[weary mesa]

Deeper

good level for it's time

[ebon moss]

Do I just join a voice chat or how does this work, playing with people wise

[distant ice]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[floral pecan]

yup, sounds familiar

[rugged lance]

What is the best loadouts to run with

[viscid wolf]

hel revolver is the only main weapon in the game

[granite onyx]

Ok so, how many enemies are supposed to spawn periodically with the D1 Overload? Is it 1, 2, or 4? Since I've had all 3 happen at this point, and it isn't based off player count because I've had 1 with 2 and 2 with 1 on multiple occasions.

[north palm]

3

||I think technically it's supposed to be 1, really.||

[craggy pier]

use anything that isn't precision rifle :^)

[past mesa]

1 is the intend number, if you want to get 1 to sapwn just have everyone but the host leave right before the command after that everyone can join back and it will only be one

[spark wolf]

then how do i get more than 1 solo

[past mesa]

you have ??

[spark wolf]

yes

[past mesa]

i dont know man i have done this 20 times now it works everytime ?

have you gotten 4 or just 1-2

[spark wolf]

4

[past mesa]

werid now i have to do more testing give me a sec

[granite onyx]

Yeah, I've had 2 spawn when I was alone, before

[spark wolf]

did it happen to be your first run since launching the game every single time

[past mesa]

ofc you have to relauch gtfo every game unless your spaming one level

[spark wolf]

you say that like it's normal

[past mesa]

maybe...

[silver fable]

solo solo, or solo with bots?

(I don't know if it makes a difference, but it'd be a thing to test I guess)

[spark wolf]

i dont remember

i dont think i had bots

i had also played with actual players before it

without restarting the game

[neon gust]

Theres no way the amount its randomize

Does the datablock says something about it?

[minor fractal]

Acc. to datablocks waves are supposed to be 1 at a time.

The usual multiple wave bug is definitely latency, haven't heard of the solo bug.

Might be multiple issues.

Repeat of the multiple birthers in R3D1?

[neon gust]

You think the objective trigger sometimes bugs and triggers multiple times?

Resulting in more snatchers spawning

[minor fractal]

Something like that for solo play, yeah.

[spark wolf]

and the scout thing happens a lot more for me solo too

where the scout alert gets stuck in an error loop and breaks all enemy ai

[compact wind]

does smg one shot babies in the head?

[silver fable]

no

this is why I hate auto mains into birthings

I end up having to land shots on headless babies

[compact wind]

does the assault rifle do it

[silver fable]

no

pretty sure all the auto mains create live headless babies

all the auto specials should 1shot babies to the head though

[north palm]

Take Hel Shotty. Hold down trigger until Birthing Animation complete.

[fair fulcrum]

it can not
source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit#gid=381478729

[compact wind]

what catagory is the baby under in that doc

[north palm]

Baby Srteiker

[fair fulcrum]

idk about baby striker I thought you meant normal small enemies

and I don't see them in the chart

[north palm]

SCroll dowb

[fair fulcrum]

yeah but like, they aren't put next to the damage stats

[north palm]

No. Cause they aren't weapons. They're a seperate table.

[fair fulcrum]

I mean they aren't in the "shots to kill" part

[north palm]

Ah, I see. Also no, just because they're such a niche enemy

And, fairly fragile at that, with 5 total hitpoints

most weapons 2shot them.

[compact wind]

wait so if baby strikers have 5 hp, and assault rifle does 4.38 dmg, wouldnt a headshot kill a baby with assault?

[north palm]

Yes. But the Assault Rifle doesn't do 4.38, that's the pistol

[fair fulcrum]

if you shoot them from behind, 1 headshot

[north palm]

the AR does 2.19

[fair fulcrum]

aka occiput or however it is spelt

[compact wind]

oh i was looking at ff dmg

[fair fulcrum]

heavy ar one shots them

[compact wind]

so only pistols can

[fair fulcrum]

for c2, would it be better to do the overload asap or after the room wide scan for the final zone?

[north palm]

Most guns can. Only the SMG, Bullpup, PDW, AR and Carbine can't.

[latent obsidian]

after the final zone would be easier

[north palm]

though, the Carbine still kills them with a full burst anyways, so... YMMV.

[fair fulcrum]

and what do you suggest, checkpoint after or before clearing the overload room?

[silver fable]

during cells 3/4 (with error, less fog if you're quick) or during 5/6 (no error, full fog)

pick your poison

[latent obsidian]

haven't really considered that before. I hit the checkpoint after clearing overload though

[fair fulcrum]

full fog sounds better
with error we wiped every time

[silver fable]

error is the harder of the two

[north palm]

Just remember, there's no disinfect station on that level

[fair fulcrum]

yea ik

on another note, when does the secondary appear? it says there is one

[silver fable]

full fog is manageable with repellers and meds

[north palm]

so hope you have infinity repellers, or are okay with 15 health for the rest of the map

[latent obsidian]

Getting close on the C1 duos now btw @silver fable

We just had a run where we died at the security scan on the way to extract

[silver fable]

after main

[fair fulcrum]

I see

[silver fable]

nice

[latent obsidian]

we practiced the final section a lot but we still aren't that consistent on it

But we'll get it soon

[silver fable]

what worked for me is pulling first room when the first wave after scan complete dies down

as opposed to just throwing yourself in there and hoping to get through

[latent obsidian]

oh idk things are getting like hell in that room

[silver fable]

methodical, rather than scrambly

[latent obsidian]

we peg it as soon as we can and mine cfoam behind us

seeing as we have those tools it makes the extract run quite a bit easier

but holding til the door opens harder

[silver fable]

whatever works for you, I guess

[latent obsidian]

Yeah... that loss stung a bit because we normally don't wipe on the run to the extract

but hey, its a really good level of challenge for a duo run

[silver fable]

I usually find that scrambles to extract that you'd do as a 4man don't work as a 2man

similar situation in d2

all the 4man teams just run from mainframe room to extract

but it's actually reasonable to slow push

and works better for the duo

[latent obsidian]

I'd probably agree if we didn't have mines

[silver fable]

probably more consistent for 4man too, but people freak out

[latent obsidian]

but getting on the other side of the door to the enemies is just too good to pass up

[silver fable]

keep in mind spawns can come in ahead

and there are snatchers who mess it up

and there's res in the rooms

finding the ammo in the first zone post-scan was clutch for us

and even for a slower push you can still buy space with mines when you get through the door

[latent obsidian]

idk, maybe its a skill issue but the situation in the scan room at the end is not really tenable

We cannot continue to hold there

[fair fulcrum]

what's a way to counter snatchers?

[silver fable]

learn to stagger them

[fair fulcrum]

besides hiding behind obstacles

how

[silver fable]

choke shotty and deagle are good at staggering them

I'd aim the first shot at the bit of exposed chest you can see when they're running at you

I believe the head is armored

[fair fulcrum]

what if I am not holding either gun that is good for staggering?

like for example I got a sniper and a hel revo

[silver fable]

land your sniper hit first, quickswap to hel revo when it rears up to snatch?

but also maybe you don't need a sniper

sniper's pretty niche in r7

[fair fulcrum]

why do you all say niche to bad stuff? 😅

[silver fable]

sniper's not bad

[fair fulcrum]

niche is like, just a little better than average

but not a solid thing

from my understanding

[silver fable]

they've just designed the levels in r7 in such a way that sniper isn't as useful as it would be in r6

niche means not broadly useful

specialized

good in some situations, but not in most

it's not a simple gradation between "good" and "bad"

you'll get a lot of work out of sniper in e1, fwiw

[silver fable]

extract? I would guess that you're permafoaming for as long as possible

[latent obsidian]

no the containment scan

we are on the verge of getting overrun towards the end

so the best option for us has to been to run behind the first door we can find and cfoam mine it

Most times after that point its been fine

[silver fable]

ah

would probably be easier with sentries

[latent obsidian]

but there was a giant, we shot and alerted the next room so we couldn't easily foam mine it

the room we were moving into, that is

[silver fable]

barring that, put out a lot of foam to slow the waves

[latent obsidian]

yeah we put a lot of foam down at the start of containment scan

but the greedy snatchers gobble up a lot of it

but we're getting more consistent

[silver fable]

if you can make sentries work on the S scan at the beginning, you'll probably have an easier time on the arena scan and escape sequence

[latent obsidian]

perhaps

But if people haven't done it this way before would be cool to do it in a new way 😎

[silver fable]

sure, if making those tools work for it has become a quest for you then go for it

I don't really have any other ideas to get it the rest of the way through, though

[latent obsidian]

its okay, we aren't stuck

[silver fable]

good luck nevertheless

[latent obsidian]

we've been seeing improvement each time

just letting you know we're getting close seeing as we talked about it before 😉

I mean we've done it with checkpoints

[silver fable]

👍

[latent obsidian]

But just getting a checkpointless run is the thing

[vital sierra]

checkpointless is the true gtfo experience

[tardy ingot]

honestly while checkpoints are fine as a help

Its insane to me how some people use them as a crutch or even play only for them

who cares about getting better and adapting when you have brickwall takedown gear (your head) and a checkpoint…

[icy cave]

Why get better at a game, that is an insane concept 😅

[tardy ingot]

just activate god mode and let others know how shit they are for actually trying

thats how you know you made it far

[icy cave]

I prefer taking 8 hours to finish a level by re using a CP o er and over and then go whine that the game is too hard

[silver fable]

sorry, to my knowledge there's no leveling-up or mechanical progression system in gtfo, you must be mistaken about this getting better bit

[tardy ingot]

8 hours? What are you? A speedrunner?!
Always these elitists

[spark wolf]

i think it shoots a little too fast for this actually

can pace it better manually so the mag lasts longer

was the same with combat shotgun before

[topaz anvil]

Especially when they use those damn cheese strats... Like dude

[lean heron]

My group is insisting that The Baby can take damage. Is this actually true, or are they being overly cautious?

[polar mica]

not true

[lean heron]

I was right then, awesome

[polar mica]

Shoot it in front of them

With a sniper, high cal or something

[lean heron]

Look, that's a waste of Precision Rifle ammo

[polar mica]

Sniper

Not prescision rifle

extra wow effect

[lean heron]

Look, they refuse to use Bioscanner and flashlights, so I need some way to see enemies during alarms

[polar mica]

what the fuck

[lean heron]

The thermal scope is stupid useful--thank you, though! The information will be very useful, and I will be rubbing it in their faces

[polar mica]

why no bio tracker?

and ESPECIALLY

why the fuck no flashlights

[lean heron]

They're insane, and think that the scanner is low-skill

[polar mica]

oml

[lean heron]

and they say that the flashlights don't help

[polar mica]

well you bring the bio tracker to rub it in

and shoot the baby in front of them

[lean heron]

Asserting dominance, yes. Perfect.

[eternal bridge]

It’s very helpful for someone who can’t hear

[lean heron]

Damn, that didn't even occur to me

[eternal bridge]

Yup. I’m one of the very few or only deaf player here

[eternal bridge]

Thermal weapons are basically the ONLY weapon that allows me to stealth against shadows

R6 shadows was fucking hell for me

[lean heron]

Those were terrible, yeah. Only time the boys I run with would use flashlights

[eternal bridge]

Well… for me they’re hell cuz I can’t hear them when it comes to needing to stealth… Biotracker does NOTHING but tell me where they are but not their state

This run… I’ll admit… I went maniac on stealth killing ALOT of shadows out of revenge

Even unnecessary shadows

[lean heron]

Yeah, the idiots just hard breached every room

the idiots that I ran with, that is

[eternal bridge]

It’s like “oh thermal!…gasp! I can see them!! goes manical on spearing each and every single shadow in b2

[lean heron]

Spear? KNIFE is the way to go : )

[eternal bridge]

Even the shadows in c3 were not saved from my manicial revenge

And in D1… let’s just say that my shadow revenge was quenched from singlehandily killinh every single shadow during that first X alarm…

Just literal “hahahahahaha!!! Die die die you Fs!”

“This is for all the hell you gave me in R6!”

[lean heron]

heheheh, I get that sentiment

[eternal bridge]

XD

But seriously… shadows are the WORST enemy you will encounter when doing Soundless runs…

Everything else can be dear with because there’s a visual attachment to them

Shadows… fuck me! Glow sticks don’t work… they’re very sensitive to flashlights… and they’re invisible

[lean heron]

Just gross, yeah. It's good for a difficulty curve, but they must be hell for accessibility. How would you balance that? Besides always having access to thermals

[eternal bridge]

Well… I spent AWHILE to find my groove

I would say at least a FULL week of gameplay

As for accessibility… for the most part it was good until audio logs. So happy to see that R7 have ingame transcripts for audio logs

Also to play the game without sounds, you gotta use your eyes and various things

[blazing heath]

I've been working on a spreadsheet with all the weapons but it seems like I missed a few even though I went to the wiki.

Does anyone happen to have the stats for all the weapons in the game currently? thanks

[silver fable]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit#gid=381478729

This doesn't have everything. Maybe if you jump on the modding server you'll get more data.

.t modding

[uneven gulch]

GTFO doesn't officially support mods and we don't allow them to be played in public lobbies or voice channels on this server, and lengthy discussions should also be avoided (mentioning them is perfectly fine). However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exist and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to join the independent modding community Discord server. https://discord.gg/rRMPtv4FAh (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[blazing heath]

many thanks! this is amazing and just what I was looking for

[silver fable]

credit to ereggia on reddit for the sheet, btw

https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/vh3t14/rundown_7_weapon_stats_spreadsheet/

[blazing heath]

cool beans

[viscid wolf]

egg

[neon gust]

I tought you were playing with clowns, not the entire circus

[past musk]

Does pulling out the hacker tool speed up security scans?

[vital sierra]

[daring fog]

not anymore

[daring fog]

so half of what i meet when i match here on this discord

[ember marlin]

anybody know how i can gain access to older rundowns?

my friends and i want to play r4 again so bad

[soft crater]

It never did. Even then. It was specific to a booster that is not obtainable anymore

It's the same bs like people telling you spinning in circles and crouch spamming makes it go faster

[daring fog]

it did with the booster

as you said yourself so ... why destory yourself 3 sentences later?

[floral pecan]

yes, i'll DM it to you @ember marlin

[daring fog]

we are not allowed to talk about that here sadly

[soft crater]

Yes but people were saying the hacking tool sped up your bioscan speed way before boosters even existed.

And again. That specific booster is not obtainable anymore

[noble sierra]

The booster existed because of the rumor.

[daring fog]

yeah the rumor we spread

[soft crater]

Too many rumors

[daring fog]

and far too many people believed them

same as the patch notes

[floral pecan]

anyone has an up to date data sheet?

[viscid wolf]

yes

too lazy to send it tho

[lean heron]

Wait, the booster that increases scan speed can't be collected anymore?

O h .
I totally didn't waste those. Not at all.

[viscid wolf]

no u can still get them

just not with the hacking tool eq anymore

[lean heron]

I get the strangest feeling that not everyone here agrees with that statement. . .

[soft crater]

Dusk is correct

[craggy pier]

so basically r5 had these weird conditions, like bioscan speed when you're in glowstick proximity or if you're holding hacking tool

r6 changed it

muted with no conditions attached
bold with you being in human prox
agg with you needing to be 50 hp or above

and maybe some other condition, i forgor

[soft crater]

Wheres muh above 40% hp

[shrewd dirge]

i want more weird ass boosters

[cobalt pollen]

conditions are listed in the wiki

but i remember some from the top of my head like

enemy prox., human prox., >50% hp

[floral pecan]

Jokes on you, i got my DATA

Jesus that sniper is efficient

[bold atlas]

for D1, is it good to bring a mine deployer?

or a cfoam?

considering that two sniper sentries and one bio tracker will be brought as the other three

[silver fable]

third sentry might actually be better

but I guess mines have some use during error

with third sentry you can have a sentry pointed at each entrance to the hub room during terminals

[bold atlas]

ah true

so three sniper sentries?

[silver fable]

sure

maybe don't deploy them all at once in most parts

since with bio they'll eat a lot of tool

actually I'll check how much tool there is in the level, gimme a sec

10 uses for terminals section, so you can probably run them close to dry before that

maybe only deploy 2 for the class 4 alarm in the error section

that sort of thing

basically watch your tool supply as you go

that said, it's not hard to just kinda shoot the waves in the terminal section

it's so weird, I'm having a hard time imagining actually needing more than like 2 tools for d1

[vital sierra]

if you play D1 without overload

2 sentries is enough

[floral pecan]

Just by answering "yes or no", are there new enemies aside the one i found in ||C1|| ?

[distant ice]

Well yes but actually no

[floral pecan]

Oh i think i get it. Thank you

[silver fable]

even with, bio + 1 sentry is probably fine

barring the current broken state of d1 overload

[icy cave]

Yes but dissapointment Inc.

[floral pecan]

Also heavy AR and hel rev still seem to be the top guns for the most part? From what i can tell

[latent obsidian]

Machine gun is pretty favoured this rundown

Hel rev is still very good, yes

[vital sierra]

i like the heavy ar

but you need to be slow with it

[silver fable]

HAR got some nasty recoil added

not a lot of people seem to think it was a good change

me included

[latent obsidian]

Hey fnr got the C1 duo last night 🙂

C2PE next project

[silver fable]

congrats

c3pe duo is fun 🙂

*c2pe

[vital sierra]

we shouldn't go for laser beam recoil kind of gun

[silver fable]

c3pe duo is also fun, but probably the hardest duo in the rundown

[vital sierra]

nerf the recoil of the machine gun would justify the buff

[silver fable]

I think they should've probably just hit the ammo on HAR

let it be the exacting honorary semi of the autos

[vital sierra]

with the recoil nerf, you just shoot slower rather spam HAR

last rundown everyone spam HAR because it was better than MG

[silver fable]

MG the mistake was probably the damage buff

basically buffs ttk, damage per mag, and ammo efficiency at the same time

I think people overstate how gross the buffs were though

the gun is ass solo/duo

[vital sierra]

you haven't seen the teammate i have

[craggy pier]

Guns should be balanced around solo/duo?

[vital sierra]

basically solo the wave with MG

[silver fable]

nah, and I agree that it's a bit too good

[floral pecan]

Oh it did? Fair honestly, that gun is amazing

Pretty sure everything is balanced for 4 "normal" players @craggy pier

[craggy pier]

I was being sarcastic

[floral pecan]

Ah, gotcha

[silver fable]

I'm not a fan of nerfing the gun by making it feel like crap

[floral pecan]

It is much better than any other secondary as far as stats go. Only revolver and machine gun get close

[vital sierra]

the gun should be good in their own way rather than One for All

[floral pecan]

That ^

Heavy ar is just good everywhere

The only thing it can't do is kill scouts, i guess

And can't kill giants as efficently as a sniper can

[vital sierra]

HAR has damage, stumble and ammo

[floral pecan]

The efficiency per bullet is insane as well

I need to check the new recoil

[silver fable]

the only thing I found really suss about HAR was its economy into bigs

basically on par with the shotguns

[floral pecan]

Most guns have around like 2 efficiency vs big guys

Aside sniper

Sorry, secondaries

[silver fable]

I know

but I don't think that's a good thing

[floral pecan]

Well, normally you just go poke em in the back

If you can

But that makes the sniper actually usefull

Which is why i really like shotty. You can stun them and go poke em behind

[silver fable]

my view is that if you hit the bullet cost for the HAR, then you make people use that smooth, accurate-firing play to try to maximize the efficiency of their waveclear

while also making it less viable as makeshift support gun that can focus down giants from afar

also allows MG to kinda have more uniqueness as the messy overspill special

[floral pecan]

The data never tells the whole story for sure. Like i was all happy with my DMR yesterday and i could not line up shots, which just made us die cause you needed something to shred hordes, not place your shots

And dmr on bodyshots is quite bad

[silver fable]

sure, but that's true for most guns

[floral pecan]

Sort of, some are better suited for when you need to spray away

Pistol is a good example

Staggers like crazy

[silver fable]

I don't expect people to reach peak efficiency with HAR very often, but nor do I expect them to get there often with shotguns or whatever else

[floral pecan]

I tend to keep extremely high efficiency IF i got enough LoS with DMR, but i mean that is not a surprise, it is what it does

But as soon as that LoS is gone.. it becomes more problematic

[fair fulcrum]

does the IIX syringe work for one hit, or for a certain time window?

[midnight mortar]

hello anybody here?

what are the codes that you are supposed to input in the 4 Terminal Phase of D1 near extract

[distant ice]

both
8 seconds iirc and one hit

[distant gate]

ini tab to start on main Terminal
ver tab on designated Terminal
con tab on main Terminal

[ruby wasp]

Time window

8s iirc

or probably 5 🤔

[midnight mortar]

Thanks a bunch man.. ❤️

[fair fulcrum]

I see, that explains why I wouldn't 1 hit a giant in the back of the head after killing a charger scout 😅

another question
I'm on C3, and there seem to be a lot of c-foam mines. Shall I use them for taking down enemies, or spare as much as I can and only use it on charger scouts?

[past mesa]

You should use the c foam there is only 8 charger scouts

[fair fulcrum]

👌 appreciate it

[dawn beacon]

Heya, new player here, can I kill scouts with a knife on one hit?

[tacit zealot]

only on the back of the head. it is easier if you jump before you hit them

you cannot kill charger scout with knife

[dawn beacon]

Thanks!^^

[mossy aurora]

Devs back from vacation yet?

[rigid sinew]

[silver fable]

There are enough products, use them to prevent your c3 from turning into this:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1515808088?t=3h46m27s

[gilded jolt]

can high caliber pistol one shot charger scouts?

[tender pasture]

the small ones?

[mossy aurora]

yes from the back, cant be off too far at an angle, and within 8m

[gilded jolt]

ok thx

[limber girder]

is it better to go B1 -> C1 or B1 -> B2, as a function of difficulty?

[neon mason]

B2 I find more difficult then C1

[limber girder]

i sort of figured that was the design loop

down the core 1s would be less difficult than going right to the 2s and 3s

"less" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there

[neon mason]

D1 can be pretty bad

[limber girder]

is it worse than c2?

[neon mason]

It is about par

[limber girder]

that tracks

that deep in the RD those should have some parity

it took me and a buddy 4 days to clear B1 with 2 bots

I cleared it Saturday, but we haven't been able to clear it together until just now

[neon mason]

When you get into C's you will probably need 4ppl

[limber girder]

yeah, i was trying to not invade someone who knows wtf to do without first putting in some work

at least if Hackett ruins everything, it's my fault

[neon mason]

People here are pretty good about not spoiling things, just have to ask them not too

[limber girder]

i'm not totally against help, just don't want a speedrun

[neon mason]

This game can be very difficult, but we all struggle at one point

Just ask if you can lead with them offering advice.

people are pretty chill, co-op games are like that.

[limber girder]

lol, my buddy is not chill

he hates when the bots shoot him

[rigid sinew]

I mean, there is #lfg-beginners for that

[neon mason]

Don't think the bots do damage anymore

[rigid sinew]

or you can just ask for people who haven't run the level

[rigid sinew]

they should

[limber girder]

it doesn't matter if i tell him that the bots aren't trying to shoot him, he runs in front of them anyway

[neon mason]

I never noticed it, though I use my bot as lambs

[limber girder]

they definitely will shoot you if you run across their LoF

[neon mason]

Sounds like your friend needs to cool it.

[limber girder]

hehe, he's very competitive

i'm trying to coax him to practice self-restraint in this game, it's not a shootem up

[neon mason]

Well, let him fall so he can't get up.

[limber girder]

that's happened 🙂

[neon mason]

RIP

[limber girder]

we made it tonight through B1 in about an hour, so he got to see how much difference it makes to try and stealth kill as much as possible.

[neon mason]

It helps to stealth, but you should learn agro.

=Then "speed stealth"

[limber girder]

you're talking about the heart beats/pink pulse

[silver fable]

I'd say b2 is easier

I'd say the only thing in b tier that's harder than c1 is b3 overload

[neon mason]

Hmm, I struggled with B2.. C1 was easy

[silver fable]

strange

[neon mason]

I don't know

[icy nacelle]

B2's only "hard" because it's loooong.

[silver fable]

b2 has what I'm pretty sure are objectively less stacked alarms

[icy nacelle]

You're potentially more subject to mistakes when you've been playing it for a lot longer.

[silver fable]

also b2 doesn't push you through packed sleeper zones with errors going

[neon mason]

Don't know why. Might of been that I was pulling a 24 hr day

[icy nacelle]

Ye that sounds like the reason to me.

[neon mason]

xD

[icy nacelle]

Difficulty-wise B2 Is really quite chill.

[silver fable]

b2 is the definition of "some stuff that happened I guess"

[icy nacelle]

"Some stuff happened but I couldn't see most of it through the fog".

[neon mason]

Fog can be.. annoying

[icy nacelle]

Eh, only the spicy fog IMO.

[silver fable]

I guess you learn to manage fog with experience

[rigid sinew]

parkour

[silver fable]

like, experienced players are just as bad at fighting in full fog as noobs

they just know how to not take fights like that

[neon mason]

Can hit what you can't see

[rigid sinew]

unironically the way to avoid fog in levels were it rises is speedrunning

[icy nacelle]

Spicy fog is just annoying because it's like moths to a flame with my mates.

They can't not go into the goddamn fog.

[silver fable]

I'd say c2pe and c3pe are among the hardest things in r7

d1 is easier

d2 also easier

[viscid wolf]

C2PE intended is the hardest ovl by far

[icy nacelle]

Literally the other week doing B3 PE, and one of my buds went into the fog to open a box with fog repellers in them, when there were plenty behind us outside of the fog.

[silver fable]

probably by design, d1 and d2 are marked as story levels

[limber girder]

i may go back and work on the other A stuff before going too far into B

[viscid wolf]

I would rank B3PE second hardest over C3PE

[neon mason]

D1, just have to get lucky on the terminal roles

[limber girder]

i'm in no rush to do all of RD7, just finally9 getting into the game and getting a feel for it

[icy nacelle]

I honestly did not find B3 P3 That bad, other than fighting my idiot mates.

[icy nacelle]

D1, just have to get lucky that the level actually works as intended.

[silver fable]

I don't think b3pe comes close to c3pe in difficulty

[viscid wolf]

oh yeah full level wise C3PE

[silver fable]

b3pe is also only peak difficulty at extract, and I think c3pe is both difficult for far longer, and more difficult at peak

[neon mason]

Didn't really have anything serious. Had a weird frame issue, but that cleared pretty fast.

[icy nacelle]

My first run on it was clean. The second run (when we were experimenting with the OVL) all three of us had the issue of the game locking up for a few seconds when a sentry got deployed.

[limber girder]

so, when you talk aggro, are you pretty much free to attack certain enemies standing up, as long as you're not flashlighting others, as long as the one you're attacking isn't in the "alert" state or pulsing pink

I know you can rush sometimes, just not sure the timing of that

[jaunty bear]

theres a chance that the one closest to them will wake up from your melee kill

but only one

[limber girder]

we usually do coordinated strikes

or, at least try

[jaunty bear]

just something to keep in mind

you have time to kill it too

[neon mason]

I think there is a chance of 1 waking within 8 meter bubble with Line of Sight

[jaunty bear]

yea its now easier than before to deal with it

[limber girder]

so, if there are 3 nearby, does it pick the closest, or can it be any of the 3?

and we're talking clustered, not just "nearish"

[neon mason]

any

[jaunty bear]

any three within line of sight

yes

[limber girder]

the worst room we just got was 2 big dudes and 5 sleepers

all crammed around the 95 door

[jaunty bear]

i cant wait for you to see D1’s stealth optional section then lmao

[limber girder]

first time was clean, 2nd time was a mess

oh, it'll be "optional" for me, lol

[neon mason]

Knife can be helpful for crowds. Though I like the bat for the stun

[limber girder]

i prefer to creep

i like spear, hammer, knife, hammer

[jaunty bear]

thats a good ethos sometimes

[limber girder]

guess i need to add the hammer into themix

[jaunty bear]

some rooms you ‘really should not’ kill anything or wake anything

[neon mason]

^

[icy nacelle]

Legit my team gave up on that on our D1 Attempt. Partially because we were running on a timer before one of our guys had to leave but mostly because stealthing is probably their weakest part, especially once you involve scouts and stuff.

[limber girder]

yeah, i'm getting better about learning B1 for what I can skip completely

[jaunty bear]

i am a fuckin nut for those, i love doing them

its gets my adrenaline so high

[icy nacelle]

We're outright just not bothering with that when we do OVL And just going straight for the ||Class X||.

[limber girder]

scouts are bad for me

I haven't figured out a good approach that's consistent yet

[jaunty bear]

scouts are friend

[icy nacelle]

See I'm a mix, on one hand I do want to do stuff like that.

[limber girder]

i don't get touched by the tentacles, but I can't whack em

[jaunty bear]

want a scout tip?

[neon mason]

Solo a match and practice

[limber girder]

ofc

[icy nacelle]

On the other hand I absolutely do not trust my mates to handle a loud situation, and I'm not interested in getting the blame for it (I already get enough of that when it's not my fault ).

[jaunty bear]

walk into the feelers and melee jump its head / aim higher than normally

im not joking

[limber girder]

yeah, i solo'd with bots when I cleared B1 the first time... took me 2 hours cuz I was doing everything super cautious

[jaunty bear]

just dont miss

you have a small window to kill it after touching feelers

[neon mason]

You have like 1 second after a feeler touches you to kill the scout

[jaunty bear]

yes

[limber girder]

you get more time if you're following the feelers back, yeah?

cuz if you disturb it without feelers, it screams right away

[jaunty bear]

do not run into the feelers at all btw

it will retract faster

[limber girder]

oh, you mean follow them back as they're retracted

[icy nacelle]

Here's my scout tip since my mates still refuse to acknowledge it: so long as there are no normal enemies around, you can move freely around the scout (keep in mind that sprinting and walking will make it put feelers out earlier, +what Prof said above).

[jaunty bear]

move into them as they are deployed

yes

its a serious tactic

[icy nacelle]

Don't treat it as a normal sleeper and slowly crouch walk around it or stop moving unless there are other sleepers around.

[jaunty bear]

but you need to be 100% in your confidence

otherwise dont try it

[limber girder]

i've walked under them to position for a strike

and then borked the strike and missed

[jaunty bear]

you will want to stand up there

[icy nacelle]

Make sure you're aiming high, especially with the hammer as it arcs downwards.

[jaunty bear]

aim higher than you think, always

[limber girder]

yeah, that's what i gotta do

i usually hit the shoulder

then it all goes to hell

[icy nacelle]

It has to pop the head, aim too low and you'll just hit the upper chest and that doesn't kill it.

[jaunty bear]

one day i hope for updated scout models

[limber girder]

i'm super impressed with the lighting and sound, and how much you can get done in nearly total darkness

[jaunty bear]

indeed

[limber girder]

i played this game waaayyyyy too high the other night after an edible

[neon mason]

Game is very well done, just an Indi Dev team.. Can't get thye AAA coverage

[limber girder]

reviews on steam are helping to clinch sales like mine

[jaunty bear]

good

[neon mason]

Game is challenging, but addictive \

[limber girder]

yes

[jaunty bear]

now do D2

[neon mason]

Nah, solo E1

[icy nacelle]

D2 Is fantastic.

[limber girder]

i love the gunplay, sounds and environment, strategic choices

[jaunty bear]

i would sooner kill myself

[neon mason]

xD.

[jaunty bear]

id have stress the entire fucking mission lol

as soon as i get there its instant stress

[icy nacelle]

Meanwhile me literally telling my team to ignore E1 Until we do the other stuff.

[neon mason]

I don't know if it would be possible

[icy nacelle]

I do not have faith in them.

[jaunty bear]

i think someone already didnit

did it

[icy nacelle]

I think a couple have.

[neon mason]

Really? How many years did they lose in life?

[viscid wolf]

tnenpi said it took him 8 attempts

[icy nacelle]

Honestly I imagine if they're soloing a lot of stuff, the stress of it has probably gone at that point.

Outside of certain close situations.

[jaunty bear]

tnepi is just built different

in a good way mind you

[viscid wolf]

the problem with soloing, is that every level (except R4E1) has a very set solution on how to solve it. You can infinitely kite sleepers if you understand the basic mechanics. But once you learn that much about the game, every level becomes easy (except R4E1) and boring (except R4E1)

[neon mason]

R4E1? Started playing R5

[topaz anvil]

R4E1 solo is also boring wym

[icy nacelle]

started back in R1
basically made no progress until R5 (admittedly didn't touch R2) when we finally had a 3rd player
making actual progress in R6/R7

[neon mason]

Game is growing in popularity each Rundown. Wish it had more life later in the RD though

[dire glen]

hey does it work to use c foam on tank

[viscid wolf]

rip

[neon mason]

Kaina stalls about 2 months after update

[viscid wolf]

R4 was god rundown

[icy nacelle]

I think it works to foam a Tank but like, the duration is too short for the cost, no?

[viscid wolf]

I think it needs like 40 blobs

its not worth it basically

[neon mason]

Not worth

C Foam gernade is 1 hit though

If all bulbs hit

[viscid wolf]

it is?

I'm pretty sure it requires a trip mine

[neon mason]

Never really used the trip mines

[icy nacelle]

Besides C3 You don't often get many to my knowledge.

[neon mason]

C3 was fun

[jaunty bear]

”yes” but thats a massive fucking waste lol

you need a lot of foam

and it doesnt last long

[dire glen]

yup one tank in final

[neon mason]

Honestly. just run the tank around a glass wall

[dire glen]

and we get destoryed🙃

[icy nacelle]

I'm referring to the tripmines specifically.

The tank at the end of C3 Spawns after it hits 0 IIRC And shouldn't really reach you until the end of the scan,

[vital sierra]

2 grenade

[neon mason]

IS it?

[jaunty bear]

its 2

[vital sierra]

you can only do 1 grenade if you have all c foam portion booster

[neon mason]

Hmm

[vital sierra]

R5C2 moment i think

[viscid wolf]

I focused on running away from the babies at 95

[neon mason]

Maybe? I didn't really foam them this time. I just shot them

[icy nacelle]

at the end of C3 You could also just position someone to the side (walkway) to draw the tank's aggro.

[topaz anvil]

R5C2 overload prenerf 😍

[vital sierra]

"what happened if i c foam the tank and we just kill it really fast"

1 c foam grenade and the tank still moving

[soft crater]

[warped hamlet]

Can anyone tell me the "practical" as in beyond bragging rights of completing certain levels and objectives in this game? Now I understand that cosmetics drop on completed runs based on a pool, is that 3/4 pools with a main/secondary/overload/PE pool spread or are there unique pools to certain levels like an E1 pool, and is there special rewards for say completing every main/everything in a rundown?

[woeful kiln]

all the rewards are explained on the rundown screen if you click on the little cosmetic thing

random reward will give you a well random reward

and some rewards will give you a specific reward

[warped hamlet]

thanks man, that helps a lot with the fixed rewards. I thought there were random rewards as well that drop at a low % chance as well though, is this not true?

[rigid sinew]

nope

random is truly random

[warped hamlet]

ok, and the random drops are like old rundown gear, like something say from rundown 4 has 0.5% chance of appearing when I finish any given run kinda thing?

[warped hamlet]

in essence?

[rigid sinew]

yep

[silver fable]

apparel as reward for completing expeditions started in r6

my understanding is that there is one big pool of apparel that is drawn from when awarding you a random apparel item

r7 added things to that pool

[cobalt pollen]

you still get random cosmetics that were added in r6 yes

except limited time ones

like the tigris

[rigid sinew]

and level completion rewards

[distant ice]

...both of which aren't random

[warped hamlet]

cool, thanks for the answers, so fixed rewards for doing the hard stuff in the current rundown first time and a large pool of "common" stuff you might get whenever a run is done

[distant ice]

Noting just in case, you won't get any more cosmetics for completing same levels

[warped hamlet]

aside from the general random pool right? I get if you are doing the fixed 4 overload to get the fancy backpack, it's the 4 different overloads, but the random drops are a small percentage that only ever rolls the first time you ever complete a run right? With my luck I'd never get anything from the random pool 😄

like you make it sound like you only get anything ever the first time but with the random pool is what you get random but you absolutely will get something on first completion but never again? Is that it?

[cobalt pollen]

lets put it like this

you get 1 cosmetic per stage

so you cannot redo the same stage and get a new cosmetic

and theres separate category where it requires you to do X objectives for Y times

[warped hamlet]

ok I think I got it, so you can get:
item for 4 overload, item for 4 secondaries, item for 10 main
item for first time completion of stage
all of this theoretically you could get on first clear of a stage but the last part is only once on first clears

[cobalt pollen]

im not sure if i got it right my brain isn’t functioning properly at the moment

[warped hamlet]

if say you has a PE stage as your last stage for some reasons and did it PE first time

[cobalt pollen]

check up with another person

[warped hamlet]

kk

but the important thing is the general pool is pulled for a random item on your first clear of a given stage

[silver fable]

the only things you can get awarded apparel for in r7 are the goals listed under the "ALL UNLOCKS" menu on the rundown screen

if there's a specific reward listed next to the goal, you always get that item for completing the goal

if there's a question mark listed next to the goal, you get a random item drawn from the pool

you cannot do a goal twice

the only levels that grant apparel for specifically completing them are the ones that have goals listed in that menu

i.e. a1, b1, c1, d1, d2

and you will not be awarded any apparel for completing any of them a second time

[warped hamlet]

ahh, so that's what the ? ones mean, I was starting to think that's what it is. So that means if you complete everything you might not get that backpack you really wanted. I kinda like that as it gives certain items a rare mystique as not everyone has them

[silver fable]

indeed, you won't get every item in the pool from completing the rundown

there are still people out there who have finished everything but are pining for the hood

[jaunty bear]

I WANT MY HOO-

[silver fable]

at least this time you can't miss out on pants, since I believe one of the guaranteed awards is pants

[cobalt pollen]

why do people want the hood

i find it mad ugly

[warped hamlet]

helmet/shirt/backpack, no pants

also which hood?

I want that shirt myself, backpack is nice but doing all 4 overloads sounds like it'd kill me

[cobalt pollen]

c2 overload is by far the most pain in the ass overload ive ever done so far

[warped hamlet]

I was sooooooo close on that one a few nights ago

[austere bronze]

whats so bad about c2 overload?

my team wiped on the charger scouts and bbcs a couple times, but i didnt think too much of it

[warped hamlet]

I also don't want to do D1 just because I spend like 5 hours doing D1 and I have ptsd about that error alarm in the beginning

[cobalt pollen]

well you see the problem

you had a team

i had bots

[warped hamlet]

oof

[austere bronze]

bigbrain

do the bots go down to flyers

or are they actually able to dodge the shots

[cobalt pollen]

no but they refuse to pick up the fucking cell on the ground so i had to make 2 trips

i had a shit ton of luck with the close calls

never again

[austere bronze]

i thought the flyer alarm in fog would end up being a problem

pretty much having to do it at max infection

and dying to the shots

surprisingly wasnt as bad as i thought

[cobalt pollen]

whats even more annoying is the glowing things (forgot the name) that you didnt shoot out

[austere bronze]

aha spitters

fun time

[cobalt pollen]

i fucking disgust the sounds they make

[austere bronze]

i was having a heart attack trying to stealth that zone with all the bbcs and spitters where the cell is

[cobalt pollen]

turns out you have to do the alarm to get the cell

because its in the next zone

[silver fable]

❤️ c2pe

[warped hamlet]

ughhh, I was so close myself there too, I've had such bad luck lately, almost but not quite getting B3, C2, C3, and E1, and C3 wasn't even overload

[austere bronze]

i just need c3pe and e1 now

still dont know c3 at all lmao

[warped hamlet]

walk through a massive area bonking people and using c-mines, then get ammo and try to as slowly as possible move back along a track filled with resources for a whopping 20 minutes, that's all.... aside from doing another room full of guys during that 20 min if you're doing overload

[cobalt pollen]

you have nothing in c3

you can use artifacts that give you starting resources if you want

but if the runs ruined then you lose it

[warped hamlet]

yup we had a DC in a run where a guy brought starting ammo to make the secondary a little easier

dude was upset when we had to restart

[errant sequoia]

in R7D1 last terminal sequence, what's the right command for the second terminal? I know the game shows 'confirm_timed_sequence'. But in this video " https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxcUU4k2BINauC1DvMN_dE6uZFumdktE5m" the person type 'confirm_timed_connect [terminal num]' instead of '~sequence'. Are they both right? Or is there something wrong with my understanding?

[silver fable]

the confirm command shouldn't require arguments

every time I've done it I've just typed con<tab> and it worked

[errant sequoia]

Yes. But press [tap] makes 'confirm_timed_connect' not 'confirm_timed_sequence'... is the game lying?

[spark wolf]

it does lie

[cobalt pollen]

its supposed to be connect instead of sequence

its a typo that was never fixed

i got confused on my first D1 too

[unique sage]

How to kill those tall guy?

[vital sierra]

shoot it, hammer it

[unique sage]

From the back?

It have to be the hammer ?

[vital sierra]

you can use any, but hammer is all rounded

back damage is x2

back of the head is x6

[unique sage]

Ah.

[vital sierra]

you also have to position yourself at the back as well to get full "back damage"

[daring fog]

which tall guys even?

[vital sierra]

big striker i think

[daring fog]

he didnt specify

[vital sierra]

he's new

[daring fog]

as if i could tell with the stupid roles

[vital sierra]

he did say he's new a couple days ago

[noble sierra]

If you assume it's giant striker...why'd you say back of the head is x6?

[vital sierra]

isn't it x3 for headshot?

[distant ice]

Kek no

1.5

[vital sierra]

oh, that was the FF one

that was used before datamined info

#gtfo-chat message

people still use that info

[neon gust]

Thank you ray

[distant ice]

Wat

Ff doesn't suddenly make it a 3x mult

[vital sierra]

then ask the person that has been saying that for the last 6 rundowns then

i don't really care about the multi anymore

shoot or hammer, result = enemy die

profit

[distant ice]

Who's that said person

[vital sierra]

idk

it's kinda late to correct that

[minor fractal]

x3*

[vital sierra]

but you said it was x6

in like 2 years ago

#gtfo-speed-running message

[minor fractal]

On strikers.

[vital sierra]

[minor fractal]

Aren't we talking about big dudes?

[vital sierra]

ye

[minor fractal]

Big dude head multi is 1.5x, striker head multi is 3x.

[vital sierra]

oh ok then

[minor fractal]

So they're pretty different, lmao.

[vital sierra]

they are more resistance

[soft crater]

3 hammers to back and giant dead.

However I still remember playing B2 Ext with new players and they brought knife/Bat/Spear

[daring fog]

only map you need hammers is c3 ^^

[chrome pelican]

absolutely new here, are sleeps attracted by the sound of opening and closign doors?

[distant gate]

[soft crater]

Key word is new players so they weren't exactly proficient on how to effectively use the melee weapons / stealth

Idk how many times I told one guy he cannot tap or slowly move when they begin glowing/pulsing

[daring fog]

had that on here in d levels already so....

[topaz anvil]

Gtfo requires restraint from wanting to move away or behind cover art inopportune times

[latent obsidian]

When the dude next to you is glowing and the scout starts walking over

[topaz anvil]

Thats when you say fuck it, shoot the scout, and go on with your day

[tardy ingot]

when you carry machine gun

[topaz anvil]

Just shoot the scout

[vital sierra]

any gun can kill scout if you shoot it enough

[minor fractal]

The easiest method for killing the scout is to wake it up first. This removes its invulnerability and lets you kill it just as if it were an ordinary shooter.

[daring fog]

which levels have toxic fog again?

[north palm]

Yes.

[minor fractal]

B3, C2, and E1.

[dry pumice]

Uh B3, C2 and that's really it

E1 had some, but I didn't even noticed

[daring fog]

3rd code room

iirc

[dry pumice]

Something about preventing players from going back to get the loot they forgot

[minor fractal]

^ This and a hazard for 3rd code.

Very minor all-around tbh.

[dry pumice]

B3 and C2 sucked all the rest of it

Rundown worth of gas just concentrated in those 2 levels

[daring fog]

somone who never uses number emotes

[tardy ingot]

tell me you never saw older rundown fog levels without telling me that you never saw older rundown fog levels

b3 fog is barely noticeable. it can impact 1 alarm slightly, 1 majorly

• overload clear entrance and extract run
  (And maaaybe for a secondary datacube)

C2 is also very on and off. And when quick is not rly there strongly

[dry pumice]

R6 had it fairly spread out. It was almost everywhere, but usually either at crouch height or for 1 painful room or something like that

C2 and D2 were especially bad I believe...

[minor fractal]

R2D1 tho.

[tardy ingot]

r6 also was very tame with it

[minor fractal]

R6D2 was baby fog.

[dry pumice]

How many fog turbines did we had this rundown? One?

[minor fractal]

Two.

[tardy ingot]

r2d1 is a true fog level. Actually great idea wise, if only it didnt spam spitters and bigs lol

[dry pumice]

One in B3 and?

[minor fractal]

Tbh, spitters and bigs have grown on me.

Punished you for fog diving.

[tardy ingot]

spitters for punishing fog diving or bigs for pulling rooms would be great

both with lowish ammo kinda sucks

if 1 thing was changed id have enjoyed it a lot more

[minor fractal]

We didn't appreciate it at the time, but the reason fog diving was so popular was because the community was plagued by skill issue.

[tardy ingot]

but this is the thing
R6 had 1 situation where you couldnt deal with fog cleanly. R6D4 teleporting you into it

everywhere else you had a million fog repeller or fog turbines

R7 is pretty much the same

[minor fractal]

It's a lot more engaging if you're actually using fog repellers to 4-man clear rooms.

[dry pumice]

I often use fog repellers as glow sticks

Frankly they work even better

[tardy ingot]

thats a new thing
Foggies werent rly bright back then iirc

[minor fractal]

Wouldn't it be the other way around?

Both with low ammo = you shouldn't fog dive.

[tardy ingot]

it means the quickest way is to pull and melee

hella boring

[minor fractal]

Wouldn't that be even more the case if you removed one or both?

Smalls are easier to kite, no spitters = very safe to venture in full fog.

[tardy ingot]

take out spitters and you have to fog dive with bigs while having low ammo. So you can stealth but need to be careful

[minor fractal]

I think the point, though, is that spitters encourage you to use fog reps and to send more than one person in.

The entire reason that spitters were so annoying was because people weren't doing that, they were opting for the worse strat because PuGs just can't handle it.

The best strat, which requires more coordination to pull off, is to send all 4 people in and use fog reps to keep the route clear.

Means you can see spitters and you have more people lighting them, and also means you can kill everything in stealth on the way if you need to.

[craggy pier]

complains about spitters
but sends one person to pull then he dies midway because 15% hp and 100 inf

sounds about right

[tardy ingot]

i mean you are pulling rooms
Not chilling in full fog without a repeller afk

also my issue was mostly that whenever we went as 4 wed usually semi pull the room anyway due to the amount of bigs

and then why not just fully pull

[minor fractal]

Absolutely a skill issue.

Just sync.

[tardy ingot]

6 giants in a big room is not something you clear quickly AND get out through another big room

[tardy ingot]

time

Fog repeller run out

[minor fractal]

Syncing does not take that long.

And you have at least 12 reps to start, plus whatever stacks you find inside.

[tardy ingot]

3 dimensional rooms with multiple enemys

[craggy pier]

idk about you, but 110 seconds should be enough to idk

clear a room

[tardy ingot]

110 seconds?

its 70

if im not wrong

[craggy pier]

still enough

[tardy ingot]

1 min 10

[distant ice]

🤔 well i never timed it but sync feels like maybe 10 seconds if once starts pulsing

[tardy ingot]

you greatly overestimate the timeframe to kill big rooms

[distant ice]

and usually they do start pulsing

[minor fractal]

I've literally done it w/ the clear-heavy strat.

It's not that bad.

You legitimately have tons of reps.

[distant ice]

depends on whether client or host does it seemingly

[tardy ingot]

I mean i agree that its doable with a full veteran team (i was playing with people who dont quick melee giants with bad visibility)

but imagine you dont find fog repellers after rooms wakes

suddenly stuck 2 rooms deep in full fog

great

[craggy pier]

pew pew

[minor fractal]

You def shouldn't run out of reps after 2 rooms unless the early rooms are terrible.

And if they are, then the later rooms will be much easier on average.

[distant ice]

pew pewed* from fog 20 meters away kekw

[tardy ingot]

thats what i mean tho

late rooms terrible = yikes if smth goes wrong

Then why not just pull