im just gonna run logless with the medals mod and get the record there
#gtfo-chat
hoary crescent
burnt flume
yes i am aware
mellow hedge
ya res makes a big difference on that map
but i also dont really enjoy the map logless
its why i never really ran it before
it'd be cool to see the logless time go down
i find it very impressive
burnt flume
i have admitted, several times as i recall, that if you're pushing for WR you kinda just need the information to get yourself consistent runs
hoary crescent
yeah res is nice to have on the way
hoary crescent
but i also dont really enjoy the map logless
fair 👍
mellow hedge
yeah res is nice to have on the way
yeah i just run the level cause i like to go fast and i like the shooting part of the level
rolling res sucks bad
i just wanna shoot
gaunt nacelle
i just wanna shoot
Solo reactor hold moment
burnt flume
the only time i've used the tool it's been limited in scope, with someone else on the team using it in tandem (and pushing the usage more than me), and only for
a. Keys + Cell in R4E1
b. Keys in R5C2
no res, no consumables, no everything, hating every moment of it
burnt flume
just because someone does something does not mean they either want to, nor find it enjoyable
burnt flume
jesus fucking christ man YES I CHOOSE NOT TO USE IT
i choose to denounce it
and i choose not to enjoy any second of it
mellow hedge
No need to get hostile
burnt flume
you said about free will 5 minutes and didn't listen to a word
hoary crescent
only thing that triggered me on your run frosty ngl was when you have to pull charger alarm
burnt flume
if i wished to get hostile, i'd rip you a new one
hoary crescent
and before doing it you hack a lock below the alarm door cause i assume you know there's ammo
mellow hedge
if i wished to get hostile, i'd rip you a new one
Very mature
hoary crescent
but you don't pull door before hacking it lol
mellow hedge
but you don't pull door before hacking it lol
lmao i wasnt really going full speed
hoary crescent
or it was a break lock idk
mellow hedge
goofy ahh decision
hoary crescent
but yeah res logging is crazy but it ain't for me
mellow hedge
also idk if you have tested but is pulling with hel rifle faster or sneaking
hoary crescent
i assume it depends on path everytime
and if you get scout wave in or out
can't really rng that
burnt flume
yea i can't remember what the exact sentiment was but it was probably something like "if path is free sneaking is faster but pulling is consistent and still fast"
earnest forge
How about you all get off that slippery slope of a topic ?
gaunt nacelle
Soooo uhhhh quite windy today wasn't it?
earnest forge
From what I have been reading for the last 10 minutes or so, you could agree to disagree and move on
burnt flume
not as windy as it was yesterday
mellow hedge
Ch0 this is with all due respect, but every other time this has been brought up there has been crazy hostility and attacks and nothing has been done. Its very tiring seeing this keep happening and nothing being done
fresh heron
Soooo uhhhh quite windy today wasn't it?
Legitimately yes but thats bc tornado season approaches
hasty bobcat
so if i run rogless do i have to query key?
na
modern coral
You just need speedruncore, no?
earnest forge
Ch0 this is with all due respect, but every other time this has been brought up ...
Sure, but both sides can decide to call it off at any point :(
hasty bobcat
u can high roll for it
gaunt nacelle
not as windy as it was yesterday
Maybe I'm getting ur yesterday's storm today then
mellow hedge
so if i run rogless do i have to query key?
You gotta import speedrunning core as a local mod in r2mm/TS
hasty bobcat
why is it not on mod managers btw
hoary crescent
You gotta import speedrunning core as a local mod in r2mm/TS
wait
gaunt nacelle
why is it not on mod managers btw
They wanna look at the code
hoary crescent
is it not medals mod?
mellow hedge
You gotta import speedrunning core as a local mod in r2mm/TS
Theres a guide for this on src btw
earnest forge
In my own opinion, everyone is welcome to enjoy the game the way they want
gaunt nacelle
is it not medals mod?
No separate
burnt flume
idk something about the source code needing to be kept secret
mellow hedge
is it not medals mod?
No they are seperate
hoary crescent
bruh
earnest forge
But you should not judge each other for their choice on the matter
hasty bobcat
They wanna look at the code
wdym
mellow hedge
In my own opinion, everyone is welcome to enjoy the game the way they want
I have not enjoyed being attacked for 8 months
slow cedar
hello chat
mellow hedge
LITERALLY nothing we can do about it btw
gaunt nacelle
And like
mellow hedge
No moth
burnt flume
at the point it's at, i'll just do my run, chill, and not upload it
mellow hedge
Thunderstore doesnt accept obfuscated mods anymore
hasty bobcat
oh so it just like
mellow hedge
And they made us wait 2 months just to say that
hoary crescent
ah it was pretty easy cool
gaunt nacelle
Ye
mellow hedge
When we started on the mods they allowed obfuscated code so mods like cconsole were allowed, but when we uploaded they changed their policies to no mods with obfuscation were allowed, so we had no choice but to put it on github
The code can not be public because that would defeat the whole purpose of the mod
mellow hedge
i did something wrong i think
hoary crescent
yeah i followed that
hoary crescent
lemme create a new profile
gaunt nacelle
Someone did complain about server like 10 mins ago
Too
So like
Ok 30 mins ago
Anyways
mellow hedge
see why i think the barrier to entry is silly and cannot be assed?
The barrier is as simple as can possibly be btw
its about 3 button presses
and theres a whole guide
burnt flume
you underestimate people's ability to be lazy
mellow hedge
Sounds like a them problem
pseudo sedge
if people are unwilling to read 2 sentences and press 3 buttons it ain't our fault for not "providing an easy experience"
or a "silly barrier entry"
mellow hedge
The barrier for logs is higher btw
burnt flume
The barrier for logs is higher btw
compare the old logless to the new logless when you're looking at barriers for entry
gaunt nacelle
Depends who you are ksksksk
pine root
Wait why is your code obfuscated in the first place?
gaunt nacelle
Wait why is your code obfuscated in the first place?
The algorithm for encoding the log file needs to be hiden
gaunt nacelle
Meow
hoary crescent
Wait why is your code obfuscated in the first place?
so people can't log i guess
pseudo sedge
Wait why is your code obfuscated in the first place?
because otherwise it is insanely easy to modify the game and make it undetectable
gaunt nacelle
Which level
wind crescent
terara
burnt flume
yes that is the other thing i stated earlier
burnt flume
i do not want your program encrypting parts of my pc
pseudo sedge
i do not want your program encrypting parts of my pc
????
burnt flume
downloading an exe is bad enough
pine root
LOL
burnt flume
is it irrational? who cares, it still happens anyway
pseudo sedge
brother every single steam game does that including GTFO
gaunt nacelle
ill buy it for u
I don't like those types of games
wind crescent
I don't like those types of games
u stinky
wind crescent
but im cool
i bought my psu and its killed my budget for 2 months
that and bfs present
kill me
gaunt nacelle
You may be swag but I'm not rich enough to provide it
mellow hedge
compare the old logless to the new logless when you're looking at barriers for e...
If you want people who can just use logs then sure
mellow hedge
Because you could easily just read the log file without any verification
This was literally said in sky's stream before
burnt flume
yes frosty i am aware of how it used to be to the point where i remember the conversation eva had with bobo
wind crescent
You may be swag but I'm not rich enough to provide it
;~;
mellow hedge
Your point is useless then
pseudo sedge
at this point i would like to say: if someone comes up with a method to solve this problem with open source I would 100% do it
however
good luck
wind crescent
yall argue with goat idk why they just like arguing for the arguement sake
mellow hedge
Its not like we want it to be this way lmao
wind crescent
just /ignore and move on fam
mellow hedge
We would have is on TS if we could
gaunt nacelle
at this point i would like to say: if someone comes up with a method to solve th...
Surely the ssh encryption thing that defo isn't an entirely different thing that almost got hacked that one time
burnt flume
i just want to boot the game and play
burnt flume
and if that invalidates the run, whatever
runic anvil
play how you want to play :3
mellow hedge
Makes no sense
gaunt nacelle
Anyways team you will find me grinding away at r2d2 because I tricked myself that I'd get better, but unfortunately my loadout carries me and bots carry even harder than hel gun sawed off
mystic moss
what if you like did r2d2 bots with like less bots
burnt flume
whatever, i'm just gonna get dinner
mellow hedge
Anyways team you will find me grinding away at r2d2 because I tricked myself tha...
pub
gaunt nacelle
what if you like did r2d2 bots with like less bots
Im too bad
runic anvil
Im too bad
try with one bot
mellow hedge
voxy ur pfp still changes even on pc between replies and actual messages
runic anvil
on bio
mellow hedge
this shit is so weird
gaunt nacelle
try with one bot
I can't even get consistent with 3
mystic moss
that's so wack cause server profile should just show my server profile instead of main
sigh
gaunt nacelle
Idk for me vozy has been the same
mellow hedge
goofy ahh pfp
burnt flume
i think your discord is just broken
runic anvil
thank god
mystic moss
WOOOO LET'S GO
runic anvil
get things back to normal
fresh heron
They're back!
burnt flume
mrbeezd
mellow hedge
<@&408548765599793173>
mellow hedge
is this a tgb reference
pseudo sedge
ayo that's some nice tgb behaviour
terse meadow
is this part of the speedrunning 😛
mellow hedge
yes!
gaunt nacelle
ayo that's some nice tgb behaviour
Copying the goats
wraith marsh
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
burnt flume
nothing (new) ever happens...
gaunt nacelle
moth do the r2d2 duo
Carried by my duo
slow bay
Carried by my duo
Nah you gotta do it with @steady terrace
That way you actually have a challenge
Playong duo with wilt is harder than solo
gaunt nacelle
Nah you gotta do it with <@896645698420895744>
That way you actually have a ch...
Lowkey sometimes I think wilt is better than you
gaunt nacelle
i played sniper while my duo used machine gun
Carried by loadout taken to new extremes
slow bay
Brother what
When i play with you, im giga held back by your desyncing
Cant do shit when nothing i see is real
gaunt nacelle
Now if I did a tier list (an actual one) who would I place above 🤔🤔🤔🤔
gaunt nacelle
When i play with you, im giga held back by your desyncing
All of your mods is desyncing the lobby pub
gaunt nacelle
And I'm returning said thing back
slow bay
And me having mods wouldnt desync other people if you are host lol
gaunt nacelle
Spam host host can't send packets out to others
Schrimple
Or host doesn't get others packets
gaunt nacelle
I mean I've ran mods before with ghostly that was desyncing everyone so
barren oak
I know we had MGpasta, but maybe we should have a slug shotgun slander
gaunt nacelle
Literally like a "this shit isn't normal" => relaunch without said mod => its fine now
slow bay
I know we had MGpasta, but maybe we should have a slug shotgun slander
Fuck the slug shotgun
gaunt nacelle
I know we had MGpasta, but maybe we should have a slug shotgun slander
Will not stand for this slander
Slug is goated
slow bay
No
gaunt nacelle
Slug sniper specially
slow bay
Its dogshit
gaunt nacelle
Its dogshit
Just can't use it properly
slow bay
I just dont like either
mystic moss
slug provides more value than ar lool
slow bay
gaunt nacelle
Literally one of the best in r6d1 speeds iirc
slow bay
Just can't use it properly
Its a hel rifle without pen, but it does less damage
gaunt nacelle
Its a hel rifle without pen, but it does less damage
And hel rifle is a special
wise crypt
Its a hel rifle without pen, but it does less damage
whart for the kraken?
gaunt nacelle
Sawed off is a scatter without dmg
modern coral
Wtf is this comparison
mellow hedge
I know we had MGpasta, but maybe we should have a slug shotgun slander
slug is goated
barren oak
For me it's like high cal
runic anvil
slug is good
barren oak
but less dmg and less recoil
runic anvil
its not meta obvs but its a strong main
mellow hedge
just give slug better fall off and its actually viable
barren oak
I tried it in a modded rundown and it's not that bad
runic anvil
its like having a weaker revo in mainslot
gaunt nacelle
I tried it in a modded rundown and it's not that bad
They often change the values
mellow hedge
I tried it in a modded rundown and it's not that bad
yeah bc it gets buffed
graceful geode
Sawed off is a scatter without dmg
ammopack is, ultimately, a reverse medikit
fathom yacht
this one dude I watch on yt runs slug shotty + shotty and makes it looks insanely fun
mellow hedge
that korean dude?
fathom yacht
yea
modern coral
Tbh most of the slug weaknesses are issues w/ weapon feel
graceful geode
If there's one thing aimbot BB showed is that any weapon looks OP if you're a beast at aiming
barren oak
I watch it solmetimes and my eyes get a bit dizzy
modern coral
Once you're used to it, it has a lot going for it
wraith marsh
this one dude I watch on yt runs slug shotty + shotty and makes it looks insanel...
thats cuz it is fun
gaunt nacelle
I should mod my game to run slug slug
barren oak
bro double-pumped my eyes so bad
wraith marsh
quickswap in general is very funny
mystic moss
modded double pump is pretty meta
graceful geode
I've tried sluggy and it's fun to use but I cant aim well so it's in the category of guns I'd never personally take
mystic moss
the ultimate flex loadout
mellow hedge
i keep failing reload on shotty in PE cause the HUD updates a little bit later than slug
slow bay
I should mod my game to run slug slug
Nah, double bullpup
graceful geode
I take hel rev because I find it fun, but I get depression whenever I see Voxy/Fireblade/Paranormal using it because I cant aim for shit compared to that, and it's a big portion of the gun imho
barren oak
I have better feeling to reload cancel slug shotgun than choke mod shotgun
barren oak
the choke mod reload animation looks really weird
mystic moss
I take hel rev because I find it fun, but I get depression whenever I see Voxy/F...
hel revo has this secret magic power of making you depressed when you miss with it unlike any other gun
slow bay
Me reload cancelling my hel rifle is so much just muscle memory that i do it whenever i run other specials, and thus ruin reload on some
barren oak
have to look at the ammo count to cancel
mystic moss
it's quite the phenomenon
modern coral
This is why autos are so popular
You can miss like half your shots and just not notice
graceful geode
I'd say a good balance for that is Carbine, even if it isn't technically auto
I feel its forgiving enough to allow me to aim for body and be okay with it
How bad does Rifle get assuming you mostly bodyshot?
pretty bad?
modern coral
Tricks auto players into playing a semi
P bad
I don't think Rifle is very good rn in general
thin nymph
does the scouts feelers stop cfoam grenades?
fathom yacht
I take hel rev because I find it fun, but I get depression whenever I see Voxy/F...
watching fireblade's burst pistol short rifle clear on the first samdown level after getting destroyed by it was a humbling experience
idr if those weapons got rebalanced in samdown
I think they're the same
modern coral
Since the video was posted or compared to vanilla?
fathom yacht
compared to vanilla
modern coral
Samdown Burst Pistol and SR are both buffed
hoary crescent
omg logless world record wow!
modern coral
at least in current patch
fathom yacht
ah cool
near stag
Short rifle is more playable in samdown i think
1taps strikers on headshot
Pretty good
fathom yacht
that's what the rundown specific text means right?
modern coral
It's still bad in Samdown, but that's just because it's modded and you desperately need pen.
graceful geode
does the scouts feelers stop cfoam grenades?
I'm pretty sure they're intangible
modern coral
Also, Samdown Revo
thin nymph
mellow hedge
omg logless world record wow!
i thought sky had a sub 30 
wraith marsh
LMAO
modern coral
Although usually when that happens it's one blob that absorbs all of the other blobs
But if they caught foam blobs, you'd expect c-foam launcher to be affected
hoary crescent
i thought sky had a sub 30 <:hmmm:820908652650954793>
it's not submitted idk
thin nymph
🥀
hoary crescent
wait you're so right
burnt flume
WR or SRC approved?
hoary crescent
i can't be arsed to submit shit with all the things you need to do
back to the slay the spire 2 mines
pine root
Don’t worry it is going on my excel document of real runs
hoary crescent
thank you
pine root
Right up there with r1c1 hitless
mellow hedge
it's not submitted idk
i found the thing
wraith marsh
about that
pine root
Fake screen shot
pine root
ai
mellow hedge
i can't be arsed to submit shit with all the things you need to do
you submit it like a normal run
we do all the verifying stuff
hoary crescent
only claude ty
pine root
perfect thanks frosty
hoary crescent
thoughts on doing a 4man slay the spire 2 run
mellow hedge
all in a days work
pine root
thoughts on doing a 4man slay the spire 2 run
I crashed out at my friend the other day
Invited me to play slay the spire
This fucker made the run take 2 and a half hours
Holy shit
hoary crescent
LOL
mellow hedge
HOW
hoary crescent
nah that's a valid crashout
pine root
HE READS EVERYTHING
hoary crescent
most i've taken multiplayer is an hour and 10 max
gaunt nacelle
Does anyone snow the mod to run double slug?
pine root
Then told me I play fast which I do but legit I am done all my turns before you have read your cards
Omg
wraith marsh
this is what the timer was for in the first mod
mellow hedge
gtfr
hoary crescent
i see malefic already playing it
pine root
this is what the timer was for in the first mod
I agree
hoary crescent
just need 2 more
pine root
timer is good
mellow hedge
hani has been playing with fwosh and silent
pine root
Maybe I am just bad
hoary crescent
most likely
pine root
But one felt free
hoary crescent
did you a20h on every char?
pine root
na only 10 on everyone but silent
hoary crescent
oh then yeah
burnt flume
thoughts on doing a 4man slay the spire 2 run
YES I'M IN
pine root
Oh sly is cool effect
burnt flume
master planner
burnt flume
it counts as playing the card so it breaks pocketwatch 
sullen finch
@grok can you ai generate a wr e2 solo for me thanks
hoary crescent
it counts as playing the card so it breaks pocketwatch <:sob:1190125355713962074...
oh i didnt know that
burnt flume
it is in the keyword and i found it out the hard way
pine root
thrash muffled hand and a few powers that gave me 2 energy every turn
hoary crescent
but yeah silent is just omega busted
burnt flume
survivor on tactician, play 2 other cards, wonder where my +3 draw is
mellow hedge
i saw one relic where it just allows you to remove 2 cards and get max hp at a campfire
burnt flume
cleaver
hoary crescent
i think jorbs posted an a10 1 max hp run some days ago
burnt flume
so fuckin busted
pine root
but yeah silent is just omega busted
I dislike the silets deck so much
hoary crescent
really
pine root
I am big Timmy I just want to hit people hard
hoary crescent
LOL
pine root
One attack no combo big number
hoary crescent
found the clad player
hoary crescent
burnt flume
hmm is it clad or does regent want to throw his chair into the ring with sovereign blade
mellow hedge
clad the goat
hoary crescent
blade is just bad at high ascension
pine root
Regent requires to much reading
hoary crescent
you're just forced to play star bullshit
modern coral
From what I've heard, the card balance is a little wack rn
mellow hedge
exactly
hoary crescent
well it's to be expected
burnt flume
child of the stars 
hoary crescent
it is early access
modern coral
and so most characters have just one archetype which is busted
and every other archetype is meh or shit
burnt flume
there's a funny bug with transform
hoary crescent
early access sts1 had reptomancer as a hallway fight lmao
burnt flume
where you can select your entire deck whilst in the menu
so transform whatever you want
pine root
early access sts1 had reptomancer as a hallway fight lmao
What is that guy again
burnt flume
early access sts1 had reptomancer as a hallway fight lmao
sts2 has a repto adjacent enemy in act 3 hallways
hoary crescent
on act 3
hoary crescent
ye
hoary crescent
sts2 has a repto adjacent enemy in act 3 hallways
yeah that guy is a bit annoying
most annoying hallway fight is probably the guy taht mhas a debuff where
every card you lose dex and str i think?
that should not be a hallway fight lmao
hoary crescent
yeah
hoary crescent
it justmeans its good design
hoary crescent
Is thennecormacwr guy good?
i believe so, haven't gotten much playtime with him
only got to a4
pine root
i feel like i hate all the enemies in the game
All enemies are scary in this game
burnt flume
they do not scare me anymore
hoary crescent
doom is meh
pine root
The boss that makes it so I draw less or take damage and I get to choose
hoary crescent
souls are just busted
pine root
OO scary
burnt flume
i mean i'm only playing on A0 right now while i get all the unlocks (although i might console all the unlocks in)
burnt flume
The boss that makes it so I draw less or take damage and I get to choose
knowledge demon woaaaaaah
pine root
Terrifying enemy
hoary crescent
bosses are also either really strong or wack
the fuckin act 1 guy with the tail that's a stinger
hoary crescent
that guy can go fuck itself
burnt flume
every fucking run
pine root
the fuckin act 1 guy with the tail that's a stinger
Yeah
burnt flume
and i hate it
hoary crescent
test subject is really annoying yeah
pine root
Test subject is also crazy
burnt flume
what if it was gremlin nob then book of stabbing then nemesis
pine root
Best fight I have done
hoary crescent
it's very intersting game so far
hopefully i find another game soon enough i dont wanna play too much ea
hoary crescent
i mean card deck builder would be nice i played a lot of them
only ones im misng is like
monster train
and uhh
pine root
i mean card deck builder would be nice i played a lot of them
Heard of Hellcard?
hoary crescent
never heard
barren oak
Bal..... nvm
hoary crescent
ah i dont like pvp card games
pine root
never heard
Hellcard is like diablo if it where a deck builder
hoary crescent
hmm
wise crypt
you should play pluto
hoary crescent
oh theres coop
wise crypt
it's like sts adjacent
pine root
It is tricky and supposed to be muipleplayer always but you can play 3 decks at once if you want
Solo
wise crypt
it's like if sts met fear and hunger
hoary crescent
it's new-ish right?
fringe garden
at this point i would like to say: if someone comes up with a method to solve th...
solution: have the logless mod just
make the game not generate any logs
/make the logs not contain any information regardimg level gen
(could still contain players sec door opens etc etc)
i don't see any issues with this, it fully prevents the log from being read and does so in a way that doesn't need obfuscation to work
pseudo sedge
that is nowhere near what is required sadly
basically
if you make a mod for logless or medals mod or anything else
there is no way to ensure that ONLY allowed mods are being loaded, as a matter of fact it is trivially easy to make a mod to cheat.
what obfuscation does is make it harder to create that mod to the point where it would be easier to cheat in the vanilla game using other methods
this is why speedruncore exists sadly
fringe garden
a mod preventing cheating and a mod preventing reading of logs are different things
modern coral
^
burnt flume
is there anything fundamentally wrong with surrendering an entire play session for verification and/or an honour system
modern coral
This was apparently not a concern prior
pseudo sedge
a mod preventing cheating and a mod preventing reading of logs are different thi...
yes, and for logless u need both, otherwise cheating is insanely easy to the point where someone could do it without even noticing
modern coral
Not sure why so many requirements are on logless but not logged
pseudo sedge
Not sure why so many requirements are on logless but not logged
read the prior statement again please
bepinex makes it super easy to cheat if allowed
fringe garden
yes, and for logless u need both, otherwise cheating is insanely easy to the poi...
for logless you are modifying the log file to not contain the session seed
any other information you want to put there put it there
modern coral
You could just use BepInEx anyway, I'm not seeing the point
burnt flume
so is there not a solution where you can just play the vanilla game and send the entire play session or something else
or does everything need to be bad faith interpretations
pseudo sedge
You could just use BepInEx anyway, I'm not seeing the point
if someone uses accurate crosshair and logless mod, how do u tell that the game version has been modified?
burnt flume
and what cheating do you think would happen with mods
fringe garden
i accept the argument that you need an obfuscated mod to prevent cheating
but if so it needs to be required for every category.
modern coral
if someone uses accurate crosshair and logless mod, how do u tell that the game ...
If someone uses accurate crosshair + superlogger, how do you tell?
pseudo sedge
i accept the argument that you need an obfuscated mod to prevent cheating
but i...
no because it is possible using a log file to tell that a user is not using modded
(one of the reasons why u get asked for logs)
modern coral
Presumably you could edit the modding API to not give a sign, no?
fringe garden
no because it is possible using a log file to tell that a user is not using modd...
yes and my proposed solution to logless features the log file with all the information you need there for verification
just without sessionseed
pseudo sedge
yes and my proposed solution to logless features the log file with all the infor...
that info required for verification requires obfuscation
pseudo sedge
Presumably you could edit the modding API to not give a sign, no?
yes, but that would require rewriting a good portion of bepinex
modern coral
And are all players req. to submit logs rn in logless?
Because if not, it would still be easy to cheat as client
modern coral
kk
fringe garden
that info required for verification requires obfuscation
ie it needs ro be encrypted so that you can tell it was legitimately generated ie the encryption needs to be obfuscated?
pseudo sedge
And are all players req. to submit logs rn in logless?
i've asked the same question and the answer I got was "verifiers can ask the logs at any moment from any player if anything seems suspicious", tho you might wanna ask eva to make sure i am not doing hearsay
modern coral
ie it needs ro be encrypted so that you can tell it was legitimately generated i...
Presumably it's so the modlist or analagous functionality isn't bypassed.
pseudo sedge
ie it needs ro be encrypted so that you can tell it was legitimately generated i...
basically the security mod encrypts the logs and also some keys that are used for verification later. You can see in generated log files "Game Hash" and "Level Hash" I think it is called. Those hashes are then fed into a program that tells verifiers which mods were loaded from the approved ones and if there are any modifications done to GTFO or mods or a mod that is not approved is installed
fringe garden
´so like
what prevents me from just
running a level legitimately
and replacing my hashes in a cheated run
with those legitimate hashes from an earlier log
well you don't have to answer for obvious reasons but you get the point
pseudo sedge
´so like
what prevents me from just
running a level legitimately
and replacing...
this has been a concern and has been solved
cannot say how to as this is why the obfuscation exists
fringe garden
yeye
pseudo sedge
the log encryption is decryptable immediately after the level end to make sure that verifiers have access to the log file and i've asked in the past to make the code for decrypting that open source since I don't think it would be a security issue but i've been met with silence ngl
fringe garden
i haven't been keeping track
is there a reason speedruncore ISN'T required for logs category for cheat prevention
pseudo sedge
no because it is possible using a log file to tell that a user is not using modd...
. this is the main reason
fringe garden
well the same is the case for logless
what's preventing a manufactured log file in the logs category
hoary crescent
me
fringe garden
so you're admitting that it is doable and that you don't have a system to prevent it (despite actually having a system that is only required for logless)
fringe garden
nothing god is dead
wraith marsh
guys what other games are there to play
you know what im gonna say
hoary crescent
dont say it
pseudo sedge
so you're admitting that it is doable and that you don't have a system to preven...
any category is cheatable in, the only guarantee the security mod does is that it is harder to cheat when you have it on than a vanilla version
modern coral
Hunt: Showdown
modern coral
Yes.
hoary crescent
something not that trythard?
wraith marsh
hop on pf
hoary crescent
ok buddy
wraith marsh
this is not what I was referring to earlier
hoary crescent
i'm not playing terraria
wraith marsh
so were just lying
runic anvil
slime rancher 2 :3
hoary crescent
is it good
runic anvil
yes
dark wasp
Project Zomboid
fringe garden
any category is cheatable in, the only guarantee the security mod does is that i...
i don't disagree but you're avoiding the question
you have a system that makes cheating more difficult
but you're only forcing it to be ran in one of the categories.
as far as i can tell there is no reason for this other than hipocracy if cheating is actually a concern to begin with.
pseudo sedge
as far as i can tell there is no reason for this other than hipocracy if cheatin...
only one of the categories needs this
also
please go talk to eva
reminder that I am not a verifier or a mod, i just coded a part of that mod
i can explain the technical aspect of things but not decisions of verifiers
fringe garden
that's fair
i just don't believe that it is easier to cheat in logless than in logs, apart from the cheating method of secretly reading logs (which the mod adresses)
pseudo sedge
and all i can say is that the mod makes sure that mods can be loaded using bepinex and it ensures verifiers can check only loaded mods are allowed. This makes it more secure than vanilla which is the base minimum required for mods to be allowed
logless requires a mod to ensure it is ran logless and thus this mod is required for this category
pseudo sedge
i just don't believe that it is easier to cheat in logless than in logs, apart f...
it is easier, we know this, but reminder that vanilla is pretty ok too
aka logs is already pretty secure from my understanding and from what i've been told by eva
i've not looked into this specifically because i don't really wanna know anyway or care for it since i am not a verifier
fringe garden
fair
gaunt nacelle
had a lot of free time during this run
sand torrent
Santonian construction team v2
paper pagoda
sup all
just installed the game yesterday and i might look forward to playing soon
once i get throught all the tutorials first
gaunt nacelle
Santonian construction team v2
ban them for being french
marsh bridge
Shove her
spring olive
good idea
idle ermine
he doesn't know
unreal crystal
wraith marsh
roblox phantom forces
sand torrent
ban them for being french
fr*nch racism 😔
frosty bone
doing r8b4 and not having the vent commands show up on any of the terminals during the scans before the first checkpoint.. am i missing something?
rose nova
doing r8b4 and not having the vent commands show up on any of the terminals duri...
no, terminal commands to lowwer fog arent in every terminal
only in the first alarm DURING the scan
the rest of the terminals r empty
frosty bone
so this part of the wiki is wrong then? just making sure im not gaslighting myself
rose nova
so this part of the wiki is wrong then? just making sure im not gaslighting myse...
during the T-scan, 3 terminals in the zone will have the commands
the second tscan, which is after the first checkpoint
pure belfry
so this part of the wiki is wrong then? just making sure im not gaslighting myse...
This is fandom wiki; use the wiki.gg version. I overhauled this exact page to be far less confusing
[[R8B4]]
crude vergeBOT
frosty bone
This is fandom wiki; use the wiki.gg version. I overhauled this exact page to be...
this is sooo much clearer, tyvm
rose nova
i have never ever noticed the speed diff witn that scan
pure belfry
🙏
granite shoal
Hi, im new to the game. Any group I can join to 4 man squad the runs? I have a mic. 😁
rose nova
Hi, im new to the game. Any group I can join to 4 man squad the runs? I have a m...
hello! u can check the LFG channels to join and share lobbies, the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920
just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you havent be sure to do the tutorial first [on the top left] and start on rundown 1/6 since they are the simplest/easiests ones
stuck fractal
@tacit shoal whats the situation
tacit shoal
we are genuinely fine bro
tall hawk
<@638111188613332992> whats the situation
gang?
sudden pawn
<@638111188613332992> whats the situation
willow spade
Boi
modern coral
doing r8b4 and not having the vent commands show up on any of the terminals duri...
Are you sure?
Should be left, right, back right
steady terrace
sudden pawn
Are you sure?
slow bay
@random nexus ayyyyy you finally carried wilt through something
slow bay
i have never ever noticed the speed diff witn that scan
Pretty much only scales to 2 people
sudden pawn
@tacit shoal pub
steady terrace
<@556501747321798657> ayyyyy you finally carried wilt through something
guh
mystic moss
@tacit shoal bup
sudden pawn
@tacit shoal gup
stuck fractal
gup
tall hawk
hey they locked in
wraith marsh
shouldve waited 3 seconds smh
stuck fractal
wait ur right
stuck fractal
mystic moss
goat r8e2 duo clear count: 0
2cool4e2
alpine dome
That fog had me geeking the whole way through
burnt flume
all my duos with zed FAILED
alpine dome
Still beat it
burnt flume
nahhhhhhhhhhh e2 cooler than 4e1
it's like comparing coldplay (r8e2) with the beatles (r4e1)
like yea one is widely popular nowadays and the other is old but like
can't beat a good classic
stuck fractal
well e2 duo felt a bit more fun than 4e1 duo but both are pretty ragebait
duo cell skip tomorrow to complete the aura trifecta
burnt flume
well, the beatles are still popular but ya, you get me
they're not around playing arena tours because the band is long gone, and not all of them are still with us
stuck fractal
the beatles ARE better than coldplay
cold play is eevil hypnosis music made by big record label
burnt flume
yes just like r4e1 is better than r8e2 but if i tell a young person that, they'll look disgusted and think i'm crazy
stuck fractal
well going by just duo clears r8e2 is i think more fun but for full team r4e1 is really fun and i like it morew
so like idk how to compare this
like idk i have 3 clears of 4e1 and 2 clears of 8e2
burnt flume
i have like [152,150] on E1 and idk maybe 15 on E2
tacit shoal
yes just like r4e1 is better than r8e2 but if i tell a young person that, they'l...
like maybe be you cant tell me the first error is not just ragebait
stuck fractal
i dont like 4e1 duo cuz its tank bait until the surge and then the surge is fine
then reactor is boring when its slow
and then shadow zone is so boring but youre nervous because its your first duo clear
burnt flume
og r4e1 duo made me into the player that i am
stuck fractal
but its fun to just blow everything up in teams
like much more fun than full team e2 i think
burnt flume
you know that first class 3 s? what if it took TWO AND A HALF MINUTES
stuck fractal
sounds like needless bullshit
burnt flume
and tank AI was scarier
no scatter, no sawed off, but hel rev burst cannon with both guns in the strongest state they've ever been
stuck fractal
i mean burst cannon was 5 shots then yes
burnt flume
ye
stuck fractal
or am i forgfetting what they changed about burst cannon
yeah ok liek that should still blow tanks da fuq up
even then it still seems like a do you have a big door near you check
burnt flume
5 burst, 20 mag, 70 total, 20 damage
stuck fractal
like holy shit i need to go back in time and experience that
stuck fractal
possibly but its 12 am so im off in like 2 or 3 hours
and tomorrow is cell skip duo
like my weekends are entirely packed with playing with syntav
burnt flume
fine maybe i'll just find an old vid of it
stuck fractal
i mean like . if you want to play during the week im down
burnt flume
uh sure probably
stuck fractal
syntav is just an evil ankle biter and cant get on during the week
stuck fractal
like im starting to get it
mystic moss
they'll end up a gtfo player
stuck fractal
dude played 900 hours over the summer
sudden pawn
r6d2 is easy
shut imp
@wise crypt will u plan to do 7c1 soon
wise crypt
ah
stuck fractal
did u shoot or cancel second nm6?
cancelled we just wanted clear
running it back with shooting after cs duo
hasty bobcat
oge
stuck fractal
with hel rifle its def doable but we were nervous
stuck fractal
the beginning to passing first nm6
shut imp
Ah i see
stuck fractal
like if you make it to reactor and play good its okay
its pretty safe if you dont choke or get too cocky
shut imp
True code 1 and code 2 wasn't too bad
stuck fractal
wave 3 is just hel rifle lines
shut imp
And u cancel surge error and alarm code 3 same time it's free until kraken
stuck fractal
no we fought wave 3
shut imp
3 tanks tho
fathom yacht
cancelled we just wanted clear
unbelievable
fathom yacht
tsk tsk
stuck fractal
why dont YOU take a crack at it!
stuck fractal
surely
he does get to keep scatter and bio
solo clearing a b and d of 492 actually looks fun
fathom yacht
did you carry the mup all the way
shut imp
They cancel
stuck fractal
no thats why you cancel
shut imp
Ig tp
stuck fractal
it teleports mwp to you
fathom yacht
............
stuck fractal
we played so many runs since we decided if im using hel rifle we arent cancelling and we kept dying to first nm6
i play hel rifle and we cancel once and we win :p
fathom yacht
did you cancel the full timer or just the nm6
hasty bobcat
genuinely the only hard thing in duo atp is second nm6
stuck fractal
did you cancel the full timer or just the nm6
just nm6
fathom yacht
nice
hasty bobcat
because first nm6 went through a lot of adjustments so it's just not tight anymore
stuck fractal
first nm6 is do we have ammo?: if yes, win. if no, lose
like just did we play 493 good
hasty bobcat
you don't even need that much
shut imp
Foams
hasty bobcat
if u have hel rifle 6 uses total is enough
stuck fractal
yeah we normally have 5 or 6
well no i just lied
it depends where our ammo in 492 is ig
hasty bobcat
you get 2 + 3 + 3 + 2
total
and if you're clearing you should just be getting all of it
stuck fractal
first 2 gets burned on scatter
1 on hel rifle 2 on scatter
carry
burn (if absolutely needed)
stuck fractal
first 2 gets burned on scatter
1 on hel rifle 2 on scatter
carry
burn (if absolu...
like we use ammo more than we should but like it works
i think we had 4 uses in slot in this nm6 clear
3 into me one into scatter
i ended with like nothing and syntav ended with enough to atleast kill A
but there was ammo in A so it was fine
stuck fractal
yeah thats like about what we did
well like
no i just lied again
ive cxonfused myself
im pulling up the file
ok genuinely how did we win
we had a 3 use and tool
i was 53/64
oh syntav was 89/81
hasty bobcat
yeah that's still fine
stuck fractal
i think we just got lucky with our last few waves spawning south
hasty bobcat
we usually burn everything and start full + 3 use
like remember we play sniper
not hel rifle
hasty bobcat
ye that's correct
stuck fractal
sniper with a ton of ammo seems so fun, i played sniper today and we died at like 96 on last scan due to ammo
stuck fractal
ye when we get a bit better at the game we are def running scatter sniper
like i love sniper
my favorite special im just not good enuff to make it work
for duo
stray kiln
my friend got stuck here. We dunno if he can get un stuck
stuck fractal
like im sorry I couldn't help
4a3 is above my pay grade. gg
also. sorry if I was kind of a dick in the vc . I apologize
steady terrace
4a3 is above my pay grade. gg
you're fine, scout wave low-key fucked us there
mellow hedge
Balls
stuck fractal
sup frosty
mellow hedge
Hello
stuck fractal
frosty we did the thing
steady terrace
also. sorry if I was kind of a dick in the vc . I apologize
dw, not sure about the others but I didn't think so. everything you were annoyed at was kinda valid
stuck fractal
I wasnt even annoyed actually I was just like talking with my brain off
which isnt good
mellow hedge
frosty we did the thing
I saw
stuck fractal
that one friend with eyes
steady terrace
which isnt good
ah, it was lowkey fine. dw
sullen valve
hello, I’m new, maybe someone want play? I have microphone.
And we have Russians on server ?
sudden pawn
I believe so ye
stuck fractal
ok that was just having fun tho
sullen valve
hello, I’m new, maybe someone want play? I have microphone.
Who want, u can write me in private messages
shut imp
Dm me for crypto scams
stray kiln
update, mission failed cuz bro was stuck lmao
shut imp
@steady terrace you should try r6a1 solo
It's by far easist true solo a tier for speed
Pure skills
stuck fractal
its pretty fun for an a tier
shut imp
Also an aim lab
stuck fractal
i got 2 e2 clears
shut imp
4 person speeeds on it are also good
A tiers mostly duo sounds better
stuck fractal
duo is like okay
quad is fun cuz u just take hel auto's and place them in ai spots
shut imp
Duo r2a1
mellow hedge
It's by far easist true solo a tier for speed
R5A1 is prolly easier
mellow hedge
For the speed?
mellow hedge
How does one manage this
sudden pawn
tism
mellow hedge
Anyway r5a1 solo speedrun is lowkey pretty good
sudden pawn
w takina mention
shut imp
R3a1 mine deployer spam
mellow hedge
R5A1 has very low rng
Ur only rolling cell
You can ping ammo on terminal
It depends what Strat you do as well tho
Mines is the fastest
Prolly
shy epoch
<@663492537037619220> OMG I LOVE THE STROKES
w
sudden pawn
solo slop is so boring
stuck fractal
How does one manage this
i burst cannon my teammates, and when told to stop, i die to fall damage
steady terrace
<@896645698420895744> you should try r6a1 solo
I die to R1A1 so probably no
steady terrace
r1a1 like isnt too easy unless you died before the ending
I died to c4 scan
steady terrace
what tool did you have
foam
stuck fractal
like you just loot and find c nade and mines
hasty bobcat
because u put 4 tool in the bag and you just find an e mine
and you never have to fight anything
steady terrace
I then died to b1 like 4 times to c2 scan bc im a pub, like genuinely
stuck fractal
i like shooting my guns too much 😔
hasty bobcat
same
steady terrace
like burst sentry makes 1a1 actually kinda fun
I almost cleared with burst sentry first time i tried a1 solo, but died to poor stealth in hsu zone + runback
stuck fractal
i just stealthed A and pulled both rooms for room divider since thats where my hsu was
like u have enough ammo to just play a door and shoot
steady terrace
I survived the stealth but had no med and was too impatient to find it, so I died to runback
stuck fractal
jajajajaja
steady terrace
but you have a checkpoint !
I just didnt bother, was annoyed
hasty bobcat
rip
calm marsh
are there a lot of players just got the game yesterday and matchmaking is dead
calm marsh
ok thanks
lucid tinsel
i found if you set chinese as your second language its pretty quick getting a match in MM
calm marsh
im just trying to get real players on mm to get the feel of the game
stuck fractal
lfg beginners is where its at
sudden pawn
your teammates will be AI generated on mm
stuck fractal
instead of bot dauda its jist dauda
lucid tinsel
beginners are more fun to play with than career players
sudden pawn
like me mhm
lucid tinsel
so true oomfie
lucid tinsel
clear em all
stuck fractal
CLEAR EM ALL 2026
sudden pawn
I hate syntav and sniff and love my r1 pubs
ik you hate me
stuck fractal
yes bro
bro chose a paycheck and securing his future over sitting in vc and watching me and syntav make pub history
lucid tinsel
if u haven't solo clear'd r7e2 in less than 30 minutes - face it - you're new
stuck fractal
r7e2 holy
lucid tinsel
check the faq it says right on there
stuck fractal
imagine how dog shit thatd be
steady terrace
if u haven't solo clear'd r7e2 in less than 30 minutes - face it - you're new
I must be extra new, I haven't even cleared r7a1 solo 🥀
stuck fractal
r7a1 is a fun solo
except like
the 2 big rooms of the walk back
cuz u ahve to drop baby so much
stuck fractal
no i love pubs
steady terrace
she hates me cause I dont go fast
must hate me more, Im slow irl and in game
sudden pawn
more hate.......
stuck fractal
im lying im sorry
sudden pawn
mellow hedge
loving the support ❤️
steady terrace
Hate is High in gtfo chat today
sudden pawn
loving the support ❤️
good job dumbass 💝
stuck fractal
thanks for liking my sgit bro
me and syntav genuinely spent like 5 minutes wondering what to comment
mellow hedge
syntavs fat round chungus ass didnt even comment
stuck fractal
stuck fractal
syntavs fat round chungus ass didnt even comment
syntav is leexplosiveostrich
steady terrace
my full legal name is just kinda on the internet bc of my school so...
fathom yacht
@stuck fractal we basically did 1st surge to the end
with like 3 downs on last surge
GG
stuck fractal
ok like jist play from beginning
fathom yacht
tomorrow