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#gtfo-chat
sharp condor
mellow hedge
She’s in love with the concept
pure belfry
did you find the softlock
pure belfry
yeah it's in that room
vapid solstice
haven't found any softlocks yet
gaunt nacelle
Bridge
mellow hedge
I’ve actually never encountered that soft lock in a real game
gaunt nacelle
Only in games from temu
pure belfry
yeah if you hug the left side of bridge on the way in (right side on the way out) you can avoid it but it is indeed just in the middle of the floor at the base of the bridge stairs on the side closer to Z286
first softlock I personally encountered in-game
junior latch
oh boy...
theres so many
most of them are just not as stupidly in the open such as that one
hide and seek rly showed a ton more aswell
vapid solstice
5d2 doesn't seem that bad though, just error alarm kinda while code hunt with respawn room
wicked solstice
not the R5D2 one….
gaunt nacelle
hide and seek rly showed a ton more aswell
Me getting stuck in the same spot same object 3 times in a row :3
runic anvil
5d2 doesn't seem that bad though, just error alarm kinda while code hunt with re...
its a fun fucking level
junior latch
2nd into 3rd code 1 cycle is pretty crazy to go for (tho more realistic is 2 cycle into 4 cycle)
wicked solstice
remember when you could just fall out of the map in R8C1
wait nvm you still can
I forgot
rose nova
i managed to fall out of r8b2 last time i did :D i thought i couldnt anymore
pure belfry
remember when you could just fall out of the map in R8C1
what about falling out of the map in R5C2
wicked solstice
Simply because Ovl and Main have the same tile
rose nova
also on my first completikn of e2 i just casually fell on the end and i giggled nervously but panicking
wicked solstice
But it’s actually two separate copies of essentially the same tile
So there were two spots you could fall out of the map in both tiles
And they fixed one spot in one tile and the other in the other tile
so now each tile has a unique spot you can fall into the void
wicked solstice
what about falling out of the map in R5C2
never seen that one
what tile
Reactor i assume
wicked solstice
ah
pure belfry
In Main
The wall is like a meter off where it should be so those two holes in the floor can be fallen through
pure belfry
There’s a cell spawn about 5 meters away from this
wicked solstice
there was a weird issue with R4B3 on release as well
wicked solstice
There’s a cell spawn about 5 meters away from this
Was that the levell where cell could spawn out of bounds?
Or wait
I think that’s R4C3
pure belfry
That’s R4C3 and I have yet to have that happen to me but I want confirmation before I add it to wiki
pure belfry
Yeah idk if its fixed in current version or not
gaunt nacelle
<@682619614517395761> where my gn hug
I shall hug and cuddle you till you sleep
slow bay
come put my blanket on for me
sleek pelican
come put my blanket on for me
warm basalt
109775241665065506
slow bay
109775241665065506
warm basalt
thanks
slow bay
Also recommend putting which level you are playing
And if you want to create a vc, include which one you are in
To make a vc, just join https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1176227735501275247
runic anvil
I perished
happens to the best of us
runic anvil
he's just chill like that
also congrats on r4c1
r4c2 is uh
something
r4c3 was fun though
stev do you know what the word pabulum means
because its an accurate level title
hasty bobcat
i want to know
runic anvil
i want to know
it means bland or insipid entertainment
they knew their level sucked 😭
pastel sky
stev do you know what the word pabulum means
Yeah?
runic anvil
I alr know R4C2 is gon be a dogshit level
oh it is
probably my least favorite level in r4
runic anvil
A casual 3 hour mission
well
my fake duo clear of the level took 2h30m
if that tells you anything
pastel sky
my fake duo clear of the level took 2h30m
And duo runs
Alredy go slower than quad
So its gon be like a 2 hour bullshit
Is it a perma alarm mission tho?
Cuz its alr so fat
runic anvil
So its gon be like a 2 hour bullshit
we also knew all the level gimmicks ahead of time
runic anvil
Is it a perma alarm mission tho?
not exactly
pastel sky
we also knew all the level gimmicks ahead of time
Just put the mother in the pocket idk
pastel sky
theres an extract alarm
That is fine mostly
Just like not enemies spawning out of no where in alredy fat mission
runic anvil
there is i think one singular mom
maybe more if you take a diff route than i did but idk
pastel sky
If its 2 hour mission then its 100% reactor
runic anvil
If its 2 hour mission then its 100% reactor
noppers
actually let me rephrase the 2 hour mission bit: if you do prisoner efficiency its a 2 hour mission
pastel sky
Overload boutta have a XX class scan
sudden pawn
I alr know R4C2 is gon be a dogshit level
runic anvil
Overload boutta have a XX class scan
nope
sullen finch
Overload boutta have a XX class scan
nope! thats in r8
sudden pawn
overload an secondary be a drag
runic anvil
secondary does have your favorite two things in the game stev
sudden pawn
and so does overload no?
runic anvil
and so does overload no?
oh yeah, sec and ovl combined have like 3-4 of stev's fav things in gtfo
pastel sky
secondary does have your favorite two things in the game stev
Like two actual favourite things
Or the two things that make me wanna end
runic anvil
Like two actual favourite things
lets go with that 🥰
sudden pawn
its a mechanic
pastel sky
Where you meet the epic scout
sudden pawn
mot a enemy
pastel sky
its a mechanic
So it is a perma alarm huh
sudden pawn
no
runic anvil
do you actually want to know the fun combination of things itll throw at you?
runic anvil
4 of your fav
sudden pawn
it is a alarm of sorts ill give you a hint
sudden pawn
pastel sky
4 of your fav
4 of the same thing or 4 diff funnies
sudden pawn
4 of same
pastel sky
4 funny moment alarms oh man
runic anvil
4 of the same thing or 4 diff funnies
four diff and four the same
sudden pawn
the same being back to back basically
pastel sky
R2E1 is a mission we alredy have fucking 0 fun at
pastel sky
it is fun trust
We are so geeked bro
My friends cant stfu for once while playing this mission with shadow enemies only
Makes stealthing so much more cancer and time consuming on like alredy hour and half least mission
sudden pawn
ok well its ENTIRELY up to who your playing with to make it any fun at all especially r5e1 XD
pastel sky
My friends I have ton of fun with
Except this mission is anti fun
Cuz why would you ever be able to like actually kill enemies yk
Whne you cannot see a single one
And in alarms if you kill one they jst respawn like nothing happened
Definitely makes this much more fun
runic anvil
surges are pretty exciting
shadow zones i agree though
they can be a pain in the ass
pastel sky
surges are pretty exciting
Its jst like
sudden pawn
I really like surges an errors with competent friends that can have fun
pastel sky
"time to hold m1 in one direction minigame!"
Cuz every enemy is jst same
If it was like
sudden pawn
like r5e1 errors were super fun for me since my squad was full of vets that im friends with😭
pastel sky
Shooter surge it would be like unbeatable but it would be fun dodging it
pastel sky
like r5e1 errors were super fun for me since my squad was full of vets that im f...
Is there an E tier without an error alarm
sudden pawn
mother surge when?
sudden pawn
Is there an E tier without an error alarm
actually don't think there is
pretty sure they all do
pastel sky
mother surge when?
Surge but instead of spawning gorillion lickatungs
It spawns a P mother
And if you kill her she insta respawns
sudden pawn
spawn cap of jus pmoms
pastel sky
How big is enemy weight really
sudden pawn
spawn cap of purely bbys only
sudden pawn
in this case they all equal a striker
naive rover
they can be a pain in the ass
Mine pull if level permits?
sudden pawn
I mean "technically" you can count r4c1 as a boss fight with a alarm
sudden pawn
ye
sleek pelican
Would
pastel sky
Then you find out Tanks are very normal enemies 🥲
I hate how
Every epic enemy in this game
Isnt technically a boss cuz it appears more
pastel sky
jus scatter
Surely that will work fine and dandy
naive rover
I mean the majority of the people in here would say it is fine and dandy.
rose nova
or are dark soulls not boss enemies cuz they become common ones later on
sudden pawn
I mean the majority of the people in here would say it *is* fine and dandy.
the barrel stuff 2 man technique
naive rover
or are dark soulls not boss enemies cuz they become common ones later on
I think that’s what he was trying to say.
pastel sky
I think that’s what he was trying to say.
Yup
rose nova
I think that’s what he was trying to say.
but tanks never quite get to that ksks
sudden pawn
Pablo is epic
rose nova
an error alarm of a boss enemy wDYMM
u dont even fight that many ksmdkms
its like 3 to 4 in there
pastel sky
Yeah its not that epik when you have an annoying guy trying to chase you now for 25th time trying to do R4E1
Instead they would fit much more in idk
Boss arenas
Like R3D1 with P mother which has a cool ass room just to fight her
tropic drift
does this mean i have soloed r1c1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwW11HJ_bzw
rose nova
Yeah its not that epik when you have an annoying guy trying to chase you now for...
well thats on u for trying r4e1 first and foremost ksdmdkm
trying to do the 3rd or 2nd hardest lvl in the gam
ever
sudden pawn
is it actually??
pastel sky
R4 and R5 are dogshit
pastel sky
no you're just bad
No I mean they aint that much fun than R3 lowkey
pastel sky
Or hell R2
pastel sky
r4e1 an r5e1 are the 2 best lvls in the game<:innocentlyswag:905668560918040586>
Surely they are
runic anvil
Surely they are
r4e1 was legitimately really fun
sudden pawn
im being fr no sarcasm unironically xd
r5d2 is also really fun
really cool mechanically
r6cx is also dope
pastel sky
R6 is the like really cool looking rundown
I still haven't reached R6D1 and cannot wait to get to it
sudden pawn
r7c2 also has one of the best ending sequences in the game in my opinion
pastel sky
I am like
Still clearing R4 and R5
They prob get way worse even before KDS deep and downstairs
topaz spruce
русские есть?
sudden pawn
the more ya know
pastel sky
русские есть?
pastel sky
tbh kinda yes, maybe not the bst ever but
I mean they are supposed to be best designed levels
As they are the endings of the rundowns
midnight bear
ok so, on one hand, I died on the last alarm of r1c2 yet again,
on the other hand, ive made it there every time regardless of loadout for my last 5 attempts
sudden pawn
ok so, on one hand, I died on the last alarm of r1c2 yet again,
simply don't nxt time
midnight bear
so this solo IS happening
midnight bear
damn why didnt I think of that
pastel sky
And we tryna clear other shi
sudden pawn
well r2e1 is like one of the hardest ones if your team isn't locked
very heavy team cooperation
midnight bear
im still stuck on r2e1 too so big mood, extract kills us every time lol
pastel sky
well r2e1 is like one of the hardest ones if your team isn't locked
3rd surge PB
rose nova
As they are the endings of the rundowns
they are the peak of the rundown, rhat reflect the quality of the rundown itself tbh
r5 maybe overdrawn bur still VERY cinematic
r4s is good but defo improva-ble?
midnight bear
its so brutal. you guys got this
pastel sky
its so brutal. you guys got this
We fully stopped doing R2E1 attempts unless all 4 of us are playing
So we don't have to
Ever retry these fucking scitzo missions if we evne beat without all people
And the best way to learn is having everybody in
Especially dealing with surges is insanely tough without buffed bio
sudden pawn
r2e1 is the real skill check of you as a team not a individual
pastel sky
r2e1 is the real skill check of you as a team not a individual
I do know that
I like that design and also hate it at the same time
Cuz of course 4 of us when we combine all our IQ we are so geeked out we get beaten by a guy playing solo
sudden pawn
jus gotta lock in twin🥀💔
pastel sky
plus like 100 on e1 and probs more
80 hour record by now
sudden pawn
plus like 100 on e1 and probs more
really? how many hrs do you have slendo
never asked
wait im slow xd
but still I am curious regardless
sudden pawn
ye i never really understood that but beats me🤷♂️
hasty bobcat
(one)
pastel sky
Have fun doing this other bullshit mission
pastel sky
(one)
How tf do you know exactly what am I talking abt
I lit jst said it
Holy sleeper agent
hasty bobcat
im in ur walls
junior latch
R2E1 isnt at the start of the game in the normal sense anyway
R2D2 shouldnt rly go above 80 minutes ye @hasty bobcat
like that would need you to repeat waves or be afk before start to even get close to 2 hours
hasty bobcat
ye
pastel sky
unless u loot reactor for 40 minutes
I did ss we did do it at 120 minute mark
Like the 1st time clear we were PLEADING for our lives
hasty bobcat
that means you started reactor after 40 minutes
pastel sky
Like edging all of the timer
hasty bobcat
which is basically afk
pastel sky
that means you started reactor after 40 minutes
Prob don't remember rn
sudden pawn
R2D2 shouldnt rly go above 80 minutes ye <@415225476131323915>
isn't r2d2 like max a hr long if your putting in an finding codes at decent times
I don't remember exactly how long it is
junior latch
isn't r2d2 like max a hr long if your putting in an finding codes at decent time...
eeh
more like 70 for a normal clear if you know the level
but you can get below an hour if you push a bit
level is long
tropic drift
what level do i go for after soloing r1c1
sudden pawn
eeh
more like 70 for a normal clear if you know the level
aahhh okie I don't really remember it being too long compared to other reactors so wasnt sure if I was tripping or not xd
runic anvil
what level do i go for after soloing r1c1
r8e2 🥰
junior latch
aahhh okie I don't really remember it being too long compared to other reactors ...
Its one of the longest levels in the game (30+ min speedrun) overall
only behind r8e2 and the warden protocols
rose nova
really? how many hrs do you have slendo
immm 1.1k
but extremely debuffed
out of havinga junk setup to play
rose nova
ye i never really understood that but beats me🤷♂️
rundowns worked very differently
ehem
"During GTFO's time in Early Access, Rundowns were released sequentially and only available to players for a set period of time. The release of a new Rundown would replace the existing Rundown, and previous content would be inaccessible. The earliest test Rundowns were very small and were retired after a couple of weeks, whereas later Rundowns were maintained for several months.
In October 2022, GTFO introduced the Rundown selection menu and progressively reintroduced the six retired Rundowns as ALT Rundowns (those with the ALT:// designation.) For instance, ALT://Rundown 1.0 is an updated and re-released version of now-unavailable Rundown 001. GTFO's final campaign consists of the six ALT Rundowns, Rundown 7.0, and Rundown 8.0."
sudden pawn
ah I c I c
if only I got the game when I played during its free weekend back in like 2020
ggs
rose nova
thats why each rundown just sort of exists on their own lil world, with a contained difficulty and quirk
:3
sudden pawn
Its one of the longest levels in the game (30+ min speedrun) overall
only behin...
I feel like reactors just be like that sometimes unfortunately xd
tropic drift
is it easier than c2?
tropic drift
solo solo
rose nova
eva help idk solo
junior latch
if only I got the game when I played during its free weekend back in like 2020
I dont recall if og r6 had a free weekend
But the one I know of is og r7 in 2022
sudden pawn
xd
junior latch
eva help idk solo
Depends on how anyhow
sudden pawn
I dont recall if og r6 had a free weekend
But the one I know of is og r7 in 202...
I don't remember exactly when it was but all ik it was a LONG time ago like back when I jus got out of hs I think or like early community college years
junior latch
Like theres 83 levels
Just do whatever
rose nova
ah
tropic drift
alr
sudden pawn
I was still a fps head so didn't like gtfo when I tried it now I love it XD
tropic drift
😭
rose nova
:D
tropic drift
havent even unlocked any e missions my group is too slow
rose nova
ok but fr i guess d1 is harder than c2 at points cuz the alarms are a bit bigger but also arent chargers
so idk how good ur at combat
tropic drift
hmm
rose nova
but if ur good on steallth u got 40% of it
done
andthe ending i believe isnt too bad?
tropic drift
does being good at stealth include stealthing giants
rose nova
bits but u can also just shoot them at the end
tropic drift
oh cool
rose nova
the important rooms onlyhave from 2 to 4
and the rest u dont haveto wake up
its res rooms
tropic drift
ok yeah that doesnt sound too bad
junior latch
actually being good at stealth? Yes
tropic drift
the alarms im pretty scared of though
junior latch
Soloing giants isnt super mandatory but if you are good at it its included
More necessary is the skill to duo giants reliably
rose nova
well but this is a solo
tropic drift
alr yeah
rose nova
rose nova
the alarms im pretty scared of though
nah u got it surely
tropic drift
class 5 alarm...
rose nova
x2 :D
lost lynx
class 5 alarm...
rose nova
good luck !
steep blaze
ok but fr i guess d1 is harder than c2 at points cuz the alarms are a bit ...
the class 4 apex alarm in R1C2 is pretty highkey the hardest single alarm in the rundown without any context or anything else influencing difficulty
R1D1's can be a bit harder in the context of the resource pressure of not wanting to open the side zones in 69 and 70 to have the class 5's be more streamlined, and they can very rarely spawn hybrids (or at least one of them can)
rose nova
the class 4 apex alarm in R1C2 is pretty highkey the hardest single alarm in the...
both can
uhh yeah i think id b willing to say the IV's harder
just cuz r1d1s have onee way spawns
steep blaze
yeah, the class 4 is both chargers and forced 2 way spawns
that class 4 killed me and my fresh team about 3 or 4 times when we were just starting before we got the clear
(R1C1 killed us more because most of us are/were skill issue at FPS)
rose nova
it beat my ass like 15 times :D bot runs pain
steep blaze
yeah bots are hell
its a very real phenomenon wherethe game feels just, unbearably hard at times and leaves you wondering how you'll beat future levels if they only get harder
and then you come back to a level 1-2 months later after progressing more and its just like "how did i ever struggle at this wtf"
knowledge and skill progression is so insanely evident over time
rose nova
this games just very
its the thing where u either know a fuck ton and u can win with thatbeing bad at the fps, or be goated at fps and win without knowing anything
and so it kinda, balances u out
steep blaze
i do think both have a hard limit on how much they can help you
being good at both is really important
i still havent beaten a level duo with bots because i just need to work on my aim more
i have full knowledge of the level, ive played it over a dozen times but i just cant make it to the end cuz i suck
rose nova
what levels have u tried? cuz tbh i did 3 bots for a while being terrible at shooting
but good weapon choices and good tools plus good stealth tbh kinda carry
steep blaze
im all the way like 80-90% through the game, only have the hardest levels left
the levels i practiced on solo w/ bots were ones where i could practice on my game sense and strats
R2B1 has a really good alarm, R2B3 has a series of alarms and stealth that help to refine the basics
and then some harder later levels like R6D2 Main to try and push what i can and cant do with bots to put practice to the real test
rose nova
ok so ur probs better than me KDMSKD
steep blaze
i likely am, but i dont dare to forget where i came from
rose nova
california :O
steep blaze
i still remember what its like back then
when me and 3 other real people were getting hard walled by R1B2's extraction error because we just sucked ass
rose nova
iii
idk i did like r1 r2 r3 r4 r5s A B and sometirms C and D tiers bots
so its
hard to remember KMKDNSKD
steep blaze
thats a good start yeah
rose nova
i was very not touching lfg until i had like mostly C or D tiers
steep blaze
R5's b tiers are really hard with bots
steep blaze
ive only beaten 2 e tiers
R2E1 and R4E1 Main
i prolly could have more if i had regulars to play with
but im still happy with the ones i have cleared
none of the E tiers are easy
even with 4 people that are willing to try and learn and throw themselves at a level for 20+ attempts
rose nova
none of the E tiers are easy
r8s :3
steep blaze
a more mild skill group i was with netted me my R2E1 clear and it legit took us over 25 attempts
i mean
yeah but i dont count that one
rose nova
ksksks
yeah i just kinda gotten lucky going for lfgs on my e tiers
steep blaze
plus secondary makes R8E1 actually moderately challenging
rose nova
i probs wouldve have gtfo 100% 6 months agk if i didnt play... jank
rose nova
plus secondary makes R8E1 actually moderately challenging
eh
not like it changes a lot
a flyer wave and 2 3 snatchers
steep blaze
it doesnt, its just harder enemies and more enemies
but on a resource starved early half of the level, it adds up
also giant chargers
rose nova
3 foams strategy
steep blaze
my team runs 1 mine 2 sentry 1 bio
actually no its 1 of each
prolly could do foam strats but i dont like foam strats
rose nova
foam just makes it too simple :b
foam lot of doors gives u quite the time to loot
and at the end floor foam
:3
steep blaze
yeah that sounds about right
steep blaze
its at least an exploit that takes resources to do
unlike other exploits like silent shooting
runic anvil
eeh
rose nova
its at least an exploit that takes resources to do
doesnt make it better kdmskd
runic anvil
ladderfoam still yucky
steep blaze
it def doesnt make it better
its pretty gross yeah
i just think silent shots are even more disgusting lol
rose nova
i sometiles do it on accident ngl
steep blaze
accident is fine, especially if you shoot again immediately afterwards
its not too uncommon to accidentally silent shot from time to time if ping is shaky iirc
hasty bobcat
unlike other exploits like silent shooting
wdym it takes ammo
keen vortex
game is hard and now i miss it
pine root
oh, yeah im dumb
Right idea
Replace silent shooting with door bugging, early drop /stuck jump
runic anvil
@gaunt nacelle is this wr pace
real monolith
maybe 2
glad prairie
R2D2..... DONE!
mint dawn
e1 gonna be rough but i believe
Do it without c-foam ladder
runic anvil
Do it without c-foam ladder
i dont ladderfoam
runic anvil
2 sentries and a dream
three sentries plus bio is how we do it
mint dawn
three sentries plus bio is how we do it
Oh right I forgot it’s only 1 blood door
So 1 scatter gun = gg
mint dawn
three sentries plus bio is how we do it
I don’t think I’ve done it successfully yet with 3 sentries
I got to the last “hard” scan with sleepo
gaunt nacelle
<@682619614517395761> is this wr pace
Sub 20 ez
gaunt nacelle
Lowkey if yall didn’t do checkpoint it would’ve been wr
runic anvil
Lowkey if yall didn’t do checkpoint it would’ve been wr
it wouldve been world record if we hadnt died 2-3 times to extract & cluster alarm
sullen finch
and class 3
gaunt nacelle
I swear there isn’t cluster in R6A1
sullen finch
she is stupid
gaunt nacelle
She is
gaunt nacelle
Anyways if yall are seriously thinking of running it I wouldn’t run it to get a top time cuz it’s scan rng dependent but I can give some help with routes
frozen lion
none of the E tiers are easy
r8e1 is hella easy
steep blaze
scrolling even 2 or 3 messages further wouldve prevented the need to send that message
im very aware its the exception
split marlin
scrolling even 2 or 3 messages further wouldve prevented the need to send that m...
r8e1 is hella easy
runic anvil
scrolling even 2 or 3 messages further wouldve prevented the need to send that m...
r8e1 is hella easy
granite cairn
Are we really gonna bully this poor fella with spam?
gaunt nacelle
scrolling even 2 or 3 messages further wouldve prevented the need to send that m...
r8e1 is hella easy
slow bay
r8e1 is hella easy
For an "e tier" its insanely easy
gaunt nacelle
For an "e tier" its insanely easy
r8e1 is hella easy
slow bay
I consider it a c tier
gaunt nacelle
R1C1 is harder
granite cairn
R1C1 is harder
Ok now youre overexatterating
gaunt nacelle
Ok now youre overexatterating
Surely I’m not
mellow hedge
moth misinfo
sudden pawn
fake news moth ggs
steep blaze
Are we really gonna bully this poor fella with spam?
Eh, I expected it, It’s why I went to bed after, because I knew there would be nothing worth reading
mellow hedge
Eh, I expected it, It’s why I went to bed after, because I knew there would be n...
dw bro they're just trolling
steep blaze
Yeah
gaunt nacelle
Eh, I expected it, It’s why I went to bed after, because I knew there would be n...
I just be trolling like usual
gaunt nacelle
fake news moth ggs
Average moth movement tbh
pseudo sedge
spring olive
SO MANY BOTS
slow bay
what mod is that lol
i know there is a mod that allows up to 8, but i havent seen one that allows at least 18
fossil horizon
what mod is that lol
i know there is a mod that allows up to 8, but i havent se...
it's same mod, you just configure it
slow bay
ahhh i see
mellow hedge
vapid solstice
@slow bay @gaunt nacelle when https://i.timo.beer/lF1RAf1MUbP8.png
slow bay
now until 5 hours from now
vapid solstice
I should be free in like 90 mins from now
gaunt nacelle
<@530301699131179009> <@682619614517395761> when https://i.timo.beer/lF1RAf1MUbP...
Does sawed off count?
vapid solstice
idk probably?
gaunt nacelle
I can in like 4 hours…
mellow hedge
Does sawed off count?
sawed off "shotgun"
gaunt nacelle
sawed off "shotgun"
It’s a pistol in my mind
mellow hedge
dafuq
vapid solstice
I can in like 4 hours…
look at this guy
slow bay
I can in like 4 hours…
thats like when i stop lol
granite cairn
It’s a pistol in my mind
Stuped
gaunt nacelle
thats like when i stop lol
😔
steep blaze
dafuq
the worst part is that internally, its not far off of a pistol lol
-its grouped alongside the other pistols instead of other shotguns in the archetype datablock
-it does use pistol equip animations
-the model used seems to be scaled off of pistol proportions ingame
it does have shotgun reload animations, and it is a shotgun in terms of how the weapon functions, it does count as a shotgun for close quarters, but its funnily like almost as much pistol as it is shotgun internally
near stag
the worst part is that internally, its not far off of a pistol lol
-its grouped ...
-its Not grouped with pistols
-it is a one handed weapon so of course it would be equipped and Held Like other onehanded sideatms
rose mason
the worst part is that internally, its not far off of a pistol lol
-its grouped ...
your first argument indicates that the hel shotgun resembles also a pistol because it is grouped with pistols? and your 3rd arguments: the sawed off shotgun was a full shotgun which was sawed off, that's because it is smaller like a pistol, or am I misunderstanding something? 🤔
steep blaze
-its Not grouped with pistols
-it is a one handed weapon so of course it would ...
orange is pistols, gray is sawed off
and below the sawed off is the bullpups
in-game its ordered to be next to the shotguns correctly
but in the json, it is with the pistols
rose mason
but in the json, it is with the pistols
I haven't known that 🤔
steep blaze
your first argument indicates that the hel shotgun resembles also a pistol becau...
i said nothing about the hel shotgun, and it is both grouped alongside other shotguns and uses shotgun animations and everything
for comparison of where the sawed off is listed, comparatively:
sawed off is the gray tick at the bottom, the shotguns are the same as shown in the hel shotgun example
steep blaze
-its Not grouped with pistols
-it is a one handed weapon so of course it would ...
but fair enough about the animation being shared, i do think pistols are the only 1 handed equip animation in the games files, as far as ive seen
the model being as small as a pistol's ingame is very interesting, but it may just be a result of making the weapon 1-handed
it being lumped alongside the pistols in the archetype data is very funny though
rose mason
sawed off is the gray tick at the bottom, the shotguns are the same as shown in ...
I misunderstood what you meant with grouped, that's because I talked about the hel shotgun, but now I understand what you mean
steep blaze
I misunderstood what you meant with grouped, that's because I talked about the h...
i wasnt clear enough about what i meant, so ill apologize for that
near stag
but in the json, it is with the pistols
I See what you mean now. Yes the ingame Spaghetti Code is truly a GTFO staple
In the Datablock for the Alarms everything is also very unorganised
steep blaze
im not certain its spaghetti, all of the weapons are pretty neatly categorized, rifles, smg, shotgun, pistols, machineguns
theres spaghetti with in it all though
near stag
Yeah a remnant of a 10 man Team expanding to a bigger crew
steep blaze
primary weapons are IDed as 108, secondaries are 109, special shotguns are 110, and main shotguns are 156 for some fucking reason
the devs were very disorganized
but in terms of organizing the weapons into respective archetypes, its generally very organized
so the sawed-off being next to the pistols feels less like a mistake than other things
rifles are lumped with other rifles, smgs with smgs (though what counts as an SMG is fucked up), etc
both the carbine and short rifle are internally called SMG_Burst and SMG_Semi, respectively
why they did this instead of making them rifles is beyond me, given that they extended the slots available for other weapon archetypes just fine, like shotguns and revolvers
wicked solstice
so the sawed-off being next to the pistols feels less like a mistake than other ...
hear me out - sawed off is a bunch of pistols taped together
wicked solstice
Exactly
steep blaze
speaking of:
the revo is noticably bigger than the sawed off
its so funny
in first person, the model for the sawed looks pretty appropriately sized
but you look at it from an outside point of view and its not really much bigger than the machine pistol
gaunt nacelle
but in the json, it is with the pistols
@mellow hedge see cunt
Pistol = weapons which is usually used with one hand
mellow hedge
SHUT UP
wicked solstice
no wait they have a point
steep blaze
Pistol = weapons which is usually used with one hand
a knife is a pistol by this logic
i am onboard with this logic
lost lynx
"A pistol is a type of short firearm that is designed to be held and fired with one hand and features a barrel with an integral firing chamber. The term "pistol" can refer broadly to any handgun, but it technically describes a firearm with a chamber built directly into the barrel, distinguishing it from other handguns like revolvers. "
placid field
"A pistol is a type of short firearm that is designed to be held and fired with ...
so that means a pistol is a type of gun?
lost lynx
how about you drink some BEER
No
placid field
how about you drink some BEER
what if they're too young
mellow hedge
i dont know you if you arent at least 18
placid field
i dont know you if you arent at least 18
i'm 6 to 7 years old, so can i drink some beer?
mellow hedge
i'm 6 to 7 years old, so can i drink some beer?
placid field
https://tenor.com/view/laugh-gif-27676969
nice plants, but answer me, stay on topic
mellow hedge
mellow hedge
thank you
runic anvil
of course :3
graceful geode
why they did this instead of making them rifles is beyond me, given that they ex...
Maybe these kind of inconsistencies stem from the scrapped plans to have customizable weapons.
wicked solstice
probably
steep blaze
Maybe these kind of inconsistencies stem from the scrapped plans to have customi...
Sounds fairly probable yeah
graceful geode
Keep also in mind that they changed stuff around in previous rundowns
For example, Heavy Assault Rifle was a completely different weapon (Main slot and AR with some extra range I think)
It only got reworked into being a Special at OG R6 I think
steep blaze
It also used to have a smaller magazine, 25 I think if it was unchanged
Because fun fact, there’s 2 heavy auto rifles in there
One of them is the HAR we have today
The other is a main weapon, same damage, but 25 mag
mellow hedge
fortnite smg
steep blaze
So instead of swapping the HAR to special
Which would’ve taken like
2-3 minutes
They just made a new HAR by copy-pasting everything, and slightly rebalanced it
mellow hedge
all that work and the weapon is still ass 😔
steep blaze
I don’t think it’s ass but it is pretty underwhelming in terms of ammo and how hard it kicks
That’s a very personal opinion tho
mellow hedge
Yeah I mean compared to other specials, it is quite bad
mellow hedge
Its down there with arbalest
graceful geode
The problem I have with it is that the recoil is SO shitty you kinda want to single tap and at that point it feels like a 30-mag pistol
mellow hedge
yeah
graceful geode
I'd love for it to be good because it FEELS good
mellow hedge
the recoil used to be goated
steep blaze
I think the HAR is like 2x better than the arbalist
graceful geode
The whole feeling of HAR is enjoyable
wicked solstice
man and HAR recoil used to be even worse
mellow hedge
HAR isnt horrible
mellow hedge
like, arbalist, choke and short rifle etc are all worse
wicked solstice
nah not muh boy choke
mellow hedge
choke is just so outclassed
wicked solstice
but it fun
mellow hedge
choke could be so fun
wicked solstice
it is fun
mellow hedge
yeaeh its fun
steep blaze
Choke is pretty solid burst damage but that reload is fuckingn painful, and it’s a little low on ammo
wicked solstice
it used to be even lower lmao
mellow hedge
whenever i play it im like "man i could just have hel rifle"
wicked solstice
Remember when ALTR6 had such good balance patches
and then R8 came in and went “naaahhh”
graceful geode
The problem is always the same: the game has a limited amount of problems and some solutions are just overwhelming. Scattergun gives you all the Burst damage you need and thus most of the weapons are underwhelming in comparison.
mellow hedge
The problem is always the same: the game has a limited amount of problems and so...
^
wicked solstice
yeah
steep blaze
Yeah
mellow hedge
Like choke used to be one of the best weapons in the ggame
and then other weapons got added lol
same with HAR
wicked solstice
still like what i did with my arby where i slowed it down and gave it really heavy damage per shot
split marlin
The problem is always the same: the game has a limited amount of problems and so...
its quite sad that we have like 86 lvls in the game and we couldnt have more enemy variety
wicked solstice
i love em both but i gotta say i think Veruta is pretty much better
split marlin
even nightmare are just combination of old gimmicks
graceful geode
its quite sad that we have like 86 lvls in the game and we couldnt have more ene...
Rather than that, for how much it's true, MOST of the variety is too much backloaded: R8 has a lot of unique enemies, even taking out the unique ones in R8A2.
wicked solstice
sigh
mellow hedge
its quite sad that we have like 86 lvls in the game and we couldnt have more ene...
ngl i think its just they use so many enemies just on their own and not mixed
look at r8c2
they enemy variety in some parts is great
wicked solstice
C2 is fun
graceful geode
Rundown 2 has only 2 maps with shadows, R2C1 and R2E1
wicked solstice
yeah i like enemy mixed variety
split marlin
yeah for some reasons they really do not want to mix enemy types
wicked solstice
yeah for some reasons they really do not want to mix enemy types
“Some reason” looks at heat bug
mellow hedge
r7d2 goes hard with the enemy variety
wicked solstice
YES
and yknow why?
Because they spawn like 10 overlapping alarms
Btw that level is supposed to spawn chickens
but it doesn’t
mellow hedge
i've seen them
steep blaze
“Some reason” looks at heat bug
My friend looking at wave spawns could not stop laughing at the unused rare spawns in R5 waves
mellow hedge
its just rare
junior latch
like, arbalist, choke and short rifle etc are all worse
idk why you put choke there
its genuinely not an awful gun in of itself, just massively rolecrept
arbalist and it on the same step is crazy since arbalist would need like 3 buffs to even be deserved being called rolecrept
mellow hedge
also funny that r7d2 has some of the most fucked level gen
wicked solstice
My friend looking at wave spawns could not stop laughing at the unused rare spaw...
We love 30 chargers 1 shooter waves
steep blaze
There’s TANKS coded into some of the R5 alarms
wicked solstice
yeah
mellow hedge
idk why you put choke there
its genuinely not an awful gun in of itself, just ma...
i wasnt saying they are the same i was just saying what guns i think are worse than HAR
junior latch
hence I dont think choke is worse than HAR
wicked solstice
Also the Boss role is bugged and cannot spawn because of heat bug
mellow hedge
yeah i mean just preference
steep blaze
Yeah choke is better than HAR
junior latch
choke actually does things, sliiiiiightly subpar. And it actually does a good bunch of things
mellow hedge
wait eva have you seen curbis fucking sweeping the solo speed boards with HAR
kinda sick
junior latch
HAR is purely waveclear aimed but is struck with a nasty recoil for no reason
yea I dont think HAR is that awful either
arbalist is easily the worst "general" weapon
with sniper being the worst specialist
steep blaze
I think HAR does have really good ammo efficiency which does matter in more casual settings, but when playing fast, not super relevant
junior latch
short rifle is also down there for 99% of play
junior latch
I think HAR does have really good ammo efficiency which does matter in more casu...
well... har actually isnt that great on ammo (mix of genuinely meh ammo, full auto and the recoil)
mellow hedge
short rifle can kill a charger scout so best weapon
steep blaze
The 5 damage breakpoint is really good tho
junior latch
yes
if you give HAR its og r6 recoil and reload back
then buff its ammo a bit
then youd have a balanced weapon
but alas
mellow hedge
i might start pubbing and using a bunch of different weapons
and then make my oown ranking
steep blaze
I moreso went with ammo and recoil, I don’t think it’s reload speed is a problem, it’s still faster than the other auto weapons in special
mellow hedge
wait @junior latch have we done a speedrun tier list?
junior latch
I have done one for any% and 100%
steep blaze
I don’t think so
runic anvil
short rifle can kill a charger scout so best weapon
sr is my fav bad weapon :3
steep blaze
Ah
mellow hedge
I have done one for any% and 100%
when
junior latch
on my discord...
mellow hedge
was i there?
lost lynx
wait <@201710902070870016> have we done a speedrun tier list?
You guys are addicted to tier lists
mellow hedge
hmm
steep blaze
So it just wasn’t uploaded to YT, cause I did enjoy watching those other tier lists
junior latch
in my discord...
junior latch
the channel called "gtfo chat and media"
well the next one planned was the checkpoint tierlist @wraith stratus
speedrun tierlist feels too niche for that imo
since its based on how well the speedruns play in enjoyment terms
ive posted those here aswell before lol
wraith stratus
junior latch
you deserve it 
junior latch
anyhow, regarding weapon tierlists theres always the "what is supposed to be the balanced point"
steep blaze
speedrun tierlist feels too niche for that imo
Well it’s a niche your channel is all about, tbf
junior latch
for me thats burst rifle for mains
and shotgun for specials
steep blaze
Yeah
Though I did want to see the shotgun have a touch more ammo
R8 got it almost right
mellow hedge
they buffed it in r8 lol
runic anvil
for me thats burst rifle for mains
and shotgun for specials
isnt shotgun’s ammo econ dogshit though
steep blaze
Yeah they did
junior latch
shotguns ammo econ is fine, even moreso after the buff
mellow hedge
hel gun ammo buff go crazy
junior latch
8,18 was what it had before
with the potential to get 2 kills in a shot
steep blaze
That hel gun buff was fucking insane
junior latch
10 is absolutely solid refill for kills
shotguns "issue" if any is that it isnt regularly efficient into chargers
hel gun buff was -> 🤡
junior latch
eh I guess we might do a speedrun tierlist after my thesis if you want to frosty
mellow hedge
shore
wicked solstice
Scatter buff 💀
junior latch
i dont think it would be hard to find the people who speedrun for that
junior latch
for a serious run I still need R7E1 and R8E2
ive got one "huh lets check this out" for R8E2
mellow hedge
i havent ran r2b2, r2b4, r2d1, r3b1, r4b2, r5a2, r5b1, r5b2, r7b1, r7c1, r7d1, r8d1
all full man and seriously
junior latch
I do think we could actually push for sub 16
which is crazy btw
like if we get 30 seconds of enough levels
and a few 1-2 minute ones from R5C1/D1 and such
mellow hedge
we need to run r7b1 btw
junior latch
then we could actually hit that
steep blaze
R2B4 is probably one of the most boring levels in GTFO casually, and I imagine speedrunning it doesn’t help much
mellow hedge
after we finish with r7e1
junior latch
R2B4 speedrun is solid
junior latch
you only rly roll a 50/50 to check the run
probably 1/10 runs has best turbine spawn, then you gamba for some scans
steep blaze
Oh yeah I’m not saying worst, just boring, like not offensively bad but just no fun to play
junior latch
but if you just wanna run a fast R2B4 you can actually run both zones. Have some decent strats around where to drop turbine for 2nd and 3rd alarm
plus its fast
rng and being forced to play slow for bad reasons are typically issues
or autoscrollers
steep blaze
Yeah
steep blaze
Warden protocol moment
junior latch
here this is what I did a few months ago or smth
R5C3 id say is probably basic maybe decent
R7C2 is good
R7E1 is good
steep blaze
I fucking love R6D2 man
mellow hedge
r6d2 speed is so fun
steep blaze
R6D2 is one of my favorite levels in the game even casually
junior latch
only bad part is the cluster foaming (but thats still ok)
mellow hedge
i actually get to do something there lol
steep blaze
It’s a great testing ground for weapons, it has so many routes you can play
placid field
all of them are in the GTFO tier
junior latch
R6D2 is one of my favorite levels in the game even casually
ive got a tierlist for my (personal) enjoyment and design perspective and it ranks quite high there ya
steep blaze
From what I’ve seen the avg looks about 7m?
pseudo sedge
<@243468652375048193> prob has it somewhere
what do u need?
junior latch
how long is a normal speedrun
@pseudo sedge
mellow hedge
(literally can give the responsibility to someone else)
pseudo sedge
any% average is 11:58
steep blaze
Oh wow
junior latch
autosrollers be like
placid field
any% average is 11:58
i actually didn't expect that!
steep blaze
Oh yeah warden protocols dragging up the average lol
junior latch
runs ranged from 2:36 to 41:xx in glitchless any%
pseudo sedge
junior latch
i thought it would be 20-30 mins
you should check out some speedruns (of levels youve cleared so you dont get spoiled)
steep blaze
They play so fast it’s actually crazy
junior latch
youll see why
we dont even use glitches for these times
fastest time glitched is 18 seconds on a level
placid field
you should check out some speedruns (of levels youve cleared so you dont get spo...
i've only cleared r1a1 😎
pseudo sedge
heheh
junior latch
i've only cleared r1a1 😎
dw thats a <3 min video then 
pseudo sedge
me when out of bounds + freeze bug
placid field
ok i'm hungry imma go eat bye byeb yeb yebe ybey bye
junior latch
ya you and tgb should roll for r1a1s again for saturday
pseudo sedge
i will
mellow hedge
perchance
pseudo sedge
but dont get ur hopes up
steep blaze
TFW key and God hsu spot secured and then the class 4 rng hits
junior latch
ya
you know
the best seed is (one non perfect execution)
only 10 seconds faster than current wr
steep blaze
Fantastic
pseudo sedge
literally second last was the only one with no hack and good scans
junior latch
getting a 2:35 or better is basically just rolling for insane scans on top of a top 3 (non A-key) key and best hsu
graceful geode
insane scans made me think of scan lines being ink blots
junior latch
meanwhile the champion medal is placed at a more approachable 3 minutes
steep blaze
If every scan rng resulted in ink blots patterns I don’t think I could survive the R3B2 class V at the start
That alarm is already hell even with average rng
steep blaze
Now that I think about it yeah why didn’t my team just take 2 sentries to that
junior latch
mines, 2 sentries and bio
steep blaze
Foam isn’t good on that level anyways
junior latch
works everytime
steep blaze
Yep
graceful geode
The joke was something like insane--->madness--->rorschach blot--->ink blots
mellow hedge
yeah i have no idea what that is
graceful geode
No it's my sense of humor that is weird, dont worry
junior latch
now the big question (for those that dont know)
how would your order (in terms of time, from shortest to longest) the rundowns for their any% runs (all times added together)
so if you say R8 is shorter than R1 it would be
R8<R1
hasty bobcat
r6 has to be the longest right
placid field
"we GF, then we FO.. we are GTFO!!!"
graceful geode
now the big question (for those that dont know)
how would your order (in terms o...
I have no idea so I'm not gonna try to answer but you might wanna say if it's glitchless or glitched?
junior latch
by level count its R6/R5>R8/R4>R7/R2>R3>R1 btw (for context from most to least)
steep blaze
I assume glitchless
graceful geode
To give a better idea
junior latch
I have no idea so I'm not gonna try to answer but you might wanna say if it's gl...
any% glitchless
glitched isnt even fully done 
junior latch
and for those who know?
well frosty could just answer with prior knowledge
placid field
well frosty could just answer with prior knowledge
oh ok
i hated that
i regert that
ew
junior latch
actually let me reformat that
steep blaze
Lol
junior latch
The answer (for when you guessed)
||R1||<||R3||<||R2||<||R4||<||R7||<||R5||<||R6||<||R8|| from shortest to longest
placid field
The answer (for when you guessed)
||R1||<||R3||<||R2||<||R4||<||R7||<||R5||<||R6...
ok but which is the hardest
junior latch
R8/R5
near stag
The answer (for when you guessed)
||R1||<||R3||<||R2||<||R4||<||R7||<||R5||<||R6...
|| GTFO 1 < GTFO 3 < GTFO 2 ||
steep blaze
The answer (for when you guessed)
||R1||<||R3||<||R2||<||R4||<||R7||<||R5||<||R6...
I’m surprised that still the shortest, even with the reactor
placid field
|| GTFO 1 < GTFO 3 < GTFO 2 ||
THERE ARE OTHER GTFOS?
mellow hedge
I’m surprised that still the shortest, even with the reactor
only 6 levels
placid field
wait @near stag are you unbanned
junior latch
I’m surprised that still the shortest, even with the reactor
the reactor is 40% of the whole rundowns time
near stag
wait <@546465943530897428> are you unbanned
No i am not
steep blaze
I would’ve figured ||R3|| would be shorter due to similar amount of leveled but generally shorter
placid field
No i am not
oh ok
steep blaze
And that rundowns reactor isn’t as long as the shortest
junior latch
I would’ve figured ||R3|| would be shorter due to similar amount of leveled but ...
its actually about 10 minutes longer-ish
steep blaze
Weird
junior latch
its own reactor is also only like 5 minutes faster
steep blaze
But good to know
junior latch
and the shortest has 2 of the fastest levels in the game
steep blaze
I guess A1 and D1 is a big difference maker between them
junior latch
its moreso the average overall
steep blaze
Ahh alright
junior latch
R3A2 is roughly R1B1 (R1B1 is faster by a bit)
R1A1 is massively short
R1B2, C2 and D1 reflect R3A1, B1 and B2/C1 (but theres 1 more level here)
R3A3 is shorter than R1C1 by about a bit less than R3A1
junior latch
r6 has to be the longest right
me when R8
mellow hedge
r8 is only like 4 mins longer than r6 i think
hasty bobcat
should optimise more !
junior latch
its not much anymore ya
mellow hedge
Idk what the theo best is tho
steep blaze
R8E2 really inflated the time by quite a bit more than I thought
junior latch
but tbf R6 can also be optimized a bit more
mellow hedge
r6cx only had one run done lol
steep blaze
Oh lol
But that’s the one with the parkour to scale the tower faster and hit the trigger at the end early right?
junior latch
R6CX and D4 each have good time to gain
mellow hedge
we should rerun r6d4
junior latch
R8 has B1, B4, C2, D1 and E2
junior latch
frosty whenever we talk about speedruns
- "we should speed XYZ"
me "im busy til thesis end"
mellow hedge
just dont do the thesis 5head
steep blaze
If spitterbug didn’t exist and if loading different dimensions wasn’t so brutal on memory stuff I’d like R6D4 more
junior latch
frosty where is R5A1 solo sub 8
steep blaze
I crashed right before the surge(-like) error on what would’ve been my first clear of D4
So painful
graceful geode
I crashed right before the surge(-like) error on what would’ve been my first cle...
use gluefix mod
steep blaze
Unfortunately I was still a very slow player until partway through R7
steep blaze
use gluefix mod
That level is what made me start playing with bug fix mods
Lol
EnemyAnimationFix is a godsend
junior latch
me when I recommend fix mods to people (I dont actually use em myself)
"would you kind stranger be interested in trying this medal mod per chance"
lost lynx
No
junior latch
fix mods are genuinely goated tho
junior latch
are so good
steep blaze
DMRReloadFix