#gtfo-chat
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As far as I’m aware there is no plugin that removes/doesn’t foam if it’s in too close proximity to a ladder
Ladder, Glue, and Foam dont turn up anything other than GlueFix, GlueEfficiency, and DoorEnemyFix
just don’t bring foam 
the humble cfoam grenade lurking in the locker
the humble your mother lurking in the locker
i’m at that stage where i just see past most bugs/exploits/flaws without any thought bc im so used to them
i’m at the stage where I am considering checking out Quixotic
oh nice
the only times I use these kinda bugs/exploits is for speeds (or pacifist if necessary) or when testing shit
in vanilla its just oof
you say it like it’s a bad thing lol
it looks interesting
plus it mandates some of the most critical bugfixes of all
snatcherbugfix and respawnsackbarcodefix
Did a vanilla run yesterday
moment i got grabbed by snatcher as client I was bugged
started counting it out past 10 and went “yep I miss snatcherbugfix already”
am aiming to make it run the fix quicker whenever i get around to it
I haven’t yet had the variant where it screws up your camera but I am to understand that one is rare
the infinite grabbed and thus not being able to see anything else on my screen is what’s happened to me multiple times
sames
imagine getting snatched 
was helping people get the Guardian Angel achievement
not too bad then, can just continue standing still and let your team chase after you
Yeah I just kinda sat there
If there is a Snatcher prone to grabbing me it’s probably the one(s) in R8C1 Overload
When I get around to R7D1 Overload without using checkpoints I might end up getting grabbed at least once there as well (depending on Terminal luck)
this is why i hate driving lol
ngl I'm surprised that more creatures don't try to snatch u
i feel like giants could just pick you up and rip you in half
I didn't go faster afterwards so they decided to cut me up at the last second at a set of lights
"you didnt break the law and this upsets me to no end"
like fuck off
I'm very depressed now. I mildly inconvenienced an almighty audi driver
How can i repent
Have you seen their hands
They are just blobs
tbh good point, forgor about that
very silly creatures
i wish big shooter would rip me in half
Silly lil goobers
ong
i wish it would crush my mask with those jusicy thies
fuck yeah homie
i swear im not like this about any other character in video games
must be the air in the complex
You got the good stuff
gup
oh boy! I can't wait for Greate
holy bingle
I need my HV gears and IV conveyors
i despise r2d2 with a burning passion 🥰 🥰🥰
me when i need to craft a uhv shaft for my uhv water wheel
UHV waterwheel goes hard, 512,000 SU
going to fucking lose it
in r4b2 overload solo because it's next on the list
clear class 6 and class 4 and blood door and clear out both zones and fully loot*
get free zone
4 osips spawn in double mom zone and i just die 45 minutes in
dam
Get GTFO'd
this is why you check
Skill issue
Fuck i need a big sippie
big sippie of what
Molten ice
Perhaps carbonated
Anybody knows when is the next discount on the game?
steam usually does a summer sale around end of june to july
next discount will likely be around that time
hop on gtfo
🗣️
liquid ||gl||ass
🗣️ making sure all of my battery goes to rendering some shitty glass shader
my beloved tim cook once again cooking up a design to cook my already cooked battery life
Apparently, scouts that get primed in doors and go off when the door is opened, happens every time it respawns in a respawn room. We got fucked in R7E1, and had the same charger scout go off like 5 times when we entered the respawn zone.
scout bomb my beloved
imma ask this out of morbid curiosity, what are the hardest levels hands down in this game?
R8E2
R2E1, R8E2, R7E1, R4E1 and R5E1
I think i see a pattern
Maybe there is one
lmao i see it too
R8E1 is a C tier prolly right?
r1c1, r2d2, r2e1, r4c3, r4d2, r5c2, r5d1, r7c3, r8b4, r8d2
vozy is correct
I’d say yes from a ”I’m seeing this for first time/am new” perspective
i fail to understand
idk i unironically think r8d2 extreme scan route is harder than r2e1
i don't think that's an all that hot take
If you do secondary
from an lfg perspective, r4c3/r4d2 pe might be harder than r4e1 simply cause you're more likely to get better players for r4e1 to help you trivialize the content
like no experienced player wants to replay r4c3 pe
yeah i agree 8d2 secondary is harder than 2e1 secondary
R4d2 can be trivialized by one good player imo
i'd say you're kinda set for most e-tiers cause the better players naturally select those levels so you're more likely to get the first clear as opposed to the harder c/d tiers
You are so funny
idk i'm not pro so i'll take your word
I'm dying from laugher
Still havent gotten my r8d2 clear...
this guy doesn't know about the r2e1 secondary
pub harder pub
Ur not a pro pub like me
shut up pub do you know how many r4e1 clears i have
121
erm it's more like 57
gotta do the fun route
im finna catch up
i got 1 clear everyday for the past 9 days
i pubbed 20 clears and in hindsight i gained nothing from it
It gives me enjoyment, because i like r4e1
Yeaaah sorry i will play cell skip 12 hours a day
based
literally why does everyone do this
"everyone" 2 people
one day i will find duo for r4e1 ❤️
lakana and you ig
if we're just playing for clear we can go like right now
Nah im in bed rn procastinating sleep
don't forget to alarm cancel the class iii + data sphere error
Tmrw cell skip :p
i am unfortunately planning to do this
Lame ahh
welcome to like
2/3rds of all solos
yeah its kinda unfort
going long is just filler episodes
duo gtfo% when
Im not sure if im good enough yet
doesn't matter really
you get to pick either role
if you code hunt you can take as long as you want really
I ❤️ hunting
if you reactor hold i can probably get like 16 minutes total
i die like ~60% of solo hold attempts
i die like 100% of all solo hold attempts
Where you hold is a very big variable i think
Holding in the ramp in B is my favorite
Wdym
I did not know this
you stand in reactor = enemies spawn close
stand in connector = enemies spawn far
if you suspect you are getting pushed just step into connector and you get huge breathing room
Ive seen people do otherwise
having enemies spawn close is also good bc you dont have to worry about getting swarmed when plugging
Truuuue
r4e1 grind when
currently
😭
not even low spec gaming can save my ass
Bro that mod makes my shit run worse
r4d2 pe is doable in matchmaking so its not that bad
Anything is doable in matchmaking if you get lucky
yeah no one wants to play that shit
4c3pe bot with bio unironically better than a player
we were doing ok until friend joined
idk its a cool level, i think in my experience every matchmaking "god" who claimed to win 8d2 sec ez so far started class 9 and insta wiped
maybe if any one of them considered class 7 it wouldnt be so bad
Its not worth it
what is
Doing anything below class 9
why
cuz being infected for later parts is very bad and hard to avoid
Would rather: instawipe and spend 15 minutes or spend an hour and die to flyer alarm
is that during the standing and moving scans
the hard part is class 9 tbh
Ya
standing and moving scans are just
thats like the easiest part
can you shoot flyers
team am i delusional or can you not shove while running
you can
i think u can
ig i was still in the air then
ass we can
Idk whats that one scan thats hard
i dont remember, i think there is a sec scan on extract
secondary is hard
everything else is kinda tedious
I mean maybe im wrong
but that moving standing scan with flyers was the easiest part in my experience
Go try to do class 7 to see if it works out
i mean i usually talk to the team
be like which class and what strat are u sure we wont wipe
but tbh usually things end either in the tank room or as soon as we open secondary
its a miracle if either of them went fine
pubs
worse, matchmaking players
honestly its not even worth the time to clear 8d2, its so fucking lame
i know but we dont have men for mods
so my mate called it until another mate gets free, and i returned to vanilla mm
end of june we get back to gtfo mods
get 100 e2 clears before d2
get 100 4b3 clears
all solo
im 1/5 there
im more likely to get 100 4e1 clears
Is that a compliment for gtfo
or a nail in the coffin for pd3?
idk
prior to this day for 2 weeks payday 3 had more players
by like 200
matchmaking is fucking dead, holy shit
actually dead game
dead game
hmm payday 3
i played pd3 on release and disliked how small and short levels were
i want my 3 day 1h long missions and big levels
and i already have gtfo and vermintide for that
also felt its more stealth oriented, and i hate stealth
maybe i should give it another try, but ehh
$100 well spent :)
Don't, just gonna feel like you've wasted your time even downloading that game again 
u right, i should download pd2 to remember the slop and jank
friggin 2.7k hours in pd2 TwT granted it was in 2014-2017 era. i tried to get back into it in 2021, but got addicted to vermintide instead, which was a much better experience overall
Played a bunch of both those games
pd2 (2.7k) vermintide 2 (2.1k) and gtfo (1.1k) are my most played games
At least we share the same time in VT2, but I have 4k hours in pd2, and way less in gtfo 
then kf2 (624h of being a medic main and solo carrying 6p boss fights xd)
i would have 5k in pd2 easily if i didnt get heavily depressed and my social anxiety making it impossible to play with people (+all my pd2 friends boycotted the game in 2016 TwT)
and vt2 i have everything done in vanilla and got burned out on modded
granted was the case with gtfo as well xd
okay thats a lie, i still need to grind like 300 deeds and stupid achieves. and why play deeds if i could just play modded. i miss weaves tho, was a very funny jank experience. chaos wastes r fun but most enjoyable with a stable group)
)
Payday 3 from Payday 2 felt like the developers somehow got their stats resetted and had to re-learn everything
I'm going to laugh like a madman if Wheel of Fate wins and the map is like R5B4
Almost as If it were Made by completely different people 
That was the joke but the point is still somehow valid
would they even need to relearn everything?
I honestly have No Idea who are they hiring at Starbreeze
Maybe If its interns then it might make Sense for them to learn it
only 72minutes to go
4p tutorial WR soon™️
hi new
hi
new? thats an interesting name
im procrastinating working on assignments and preparing for exams
so im busy sadly :<
hi im procrastinating working on assignments and preparing for exams
I am also thinking about buying this Game. I Heard the Game is Buggy, is it really worth it?
bugs are tasty
It sucks? I Love yummy slop
based
hello
sky when do you sleep
just got my 3— and I'm happy
sleep is for sleepers
I don't
is your sleep schedule like 7am-
any pingers
sorry im only a penguin
any wheel of f*rtune
wheel of torture
get off of discord and do ur studies wtf
nauuuur
lazy people smh
Do studies in discord 
Get on CS2
do discord in studies
lf3 r4c3PE speeds
I Play only wingman. Being ganked by 5 men is scary
no
whose alt are you
Just someone less active
ive been sleepyhead since like 2018 or earlier TwT
bro I'm here for a year
who are you
and ive been active in russian gtfo server not this one
im here for 3 years
you have screenshot with gon1arch i met thst guy on gunfire like years ago before I bought gtfo
crazy lore
actually on my friendlist before I knew he played gtfo
мои соболезнования
Поздравляю вас
ive still had fun and met cool people and got to play though the whole of EA with a stable group
No, i eat only Bratwurst with Mayonnaise
hmm yummies
My practical exams are literally in 2 weeks. Pray for my downfall pls
congrats. which subject?
I hope you get a good grade so I can get free dental care
philosophy
smash my teeth like you smash your sleepers
im in electronics engineering. i cant do documentation even if my life depended on it.
Hot
same
look at all these smart people
im a brainless creature tho TwT
I can tell
me mememe meme
No thoughts. head empty
no thoughts. no head?
brb solo meleeing a hybrid right next to tank in r6d3 respawn zone then leaving like nothing ever happened
hold on my coc's level 12 tesla finished
@latent palm i finally Got it. Will you give the head tonight?
I need to put another builder to slave away
After i maxed TH9 i realised that the Game is Dogshit
i think u have an extra "the" in there

Yay
Lets goo gang
Not Just a head. THE head
Finally lock out 3 will be ours
Just don’t document
Simple as that
profs are mad at me for delaying it as is TwT each semester i say ill start to do everything early. each semester i speedrun during last couple weeks.
what is TwT
crying face
😭 imagine this but with owo twist
im too old
i thought of it eons ago and i cant stop writing it ever since
like in 2016 or something
In 2016 I was a zygote
They always say to delay, deny, depose
So just keep delaying
Keep it pushing
dont let them force u to document anything
make the designs unnecessary convoluted and complex to make it impossible for anyone else to understand
rube goldberg machine woah
Connect the parallel plates of the capacitors, make the transistors out of germanium
i hate ee
Take the circuit and connect it to C4
epic embed fail
Embed fail, laugh at this user
Turn yourself into seafood sleepyhead
for that id need to anywhere near a sea. but i am a snack
which desktop or window manager are u using?
i used to be addicted to i3wm but now got bullied into using hyprland and i love it
wayland is so good as a protocol
Not a snack.
What ever the default for xfce is🤷♂️
classic, one of my favorites
Im waiting for the nvidea gpu drivers to not uninstall the boot drive
Hello I am lfg!
.t lfg
Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.
If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.
Refund while u have the chance
Too late!
immediately play samdown
im so sorry
.t lfg
Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.
If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.
mates, having trouble on R2C2. some people to teamup with me?
the r2c2 wall 😔
Are you the John Pub lfg?
i believe (in anyone not using spear)
who
holy shit it's jack
Holy shit it's Vozy
holy shit John LFG
I could fuck up a mango rn ngl
mangos are actually so fucking peak
scout named mango
Fax
You get it
Replace mango with some blackberries and now we talkin
The phone?
Mango? those who know
MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO MANGO
YUHHHH
The fruit
heya, wanted to ask, is there any chance we can kill tank quick ?
What do you mean?
Client Scattergunning the tank from my anecdotal experience, at worst, leaves it with so little hp it's dead in the next 5 seconds.
How quick is your quick? One Tap quick?
With mines you can instakill them
I guess you can still somehow kill it with 7 mines? I didnt try since years
Yeah it still works
isnt it like, 7 mines in theory, like 9 in practice?
IMHO it's safer to scattergun it
Depends on the distance
I mean under a minute ig
And most cost effective tbh
i'm pretty sure scatter kills it in 3 shots if you land all the pellets
it is far too inconsistent to kill a tank with mines imo, better to just have people grab its attention and the person with scatter or burst cannon get them from behind
but i dont think theres a weapon that can kill it without reloading
how about sniper ?
not enough bullets in the mag
Again
current loadout usually Van Auken and Konning
bring scattergun
Its capped to Deal Like 1/10 of the health per shot
do we need 1 or 2 people for that ?
In a scenario where you've 4 actual players
i remember scattergun also has little ammo like sniper
and they deal actual damage, it's faster than that
i mean i agree with you, we're on the same page. scattergun is basically the most consistant option
usually I'm full stacking, but they often brought either precision rifle or machinegun instead
What's the full context here?
for scattergun
4 people, you and 3 bots?
as in 4 real people
u need 1 scatter
i see
for any encounter in the game
4 people and 3 Bots
mom is a 2 shot tank is a 3 shot
One guy goes behind (Scattergun man) and pops a cap in his ass (pardon my French)
pmom is 5
The rest eventually shoot
what's a p mom
you dont ever really need more than one scatter gun in any level
IF it survives the two scattergun shells, it'll be dead soon anyway
big mom
R3D1 beeg mom
wait ain't that a normal mom ?
I remember dealing with mom on R3
on 2 rundown iirc
theres a mom and a big mom
r3 has both, the big mom is the one in r3d1, second to last room
the small one is the one that spawns after the error in d1
I thought it was the same mom, since it only spawns those little strikers
and also has significantly more HP
It Has Double the health
ye
dang
missed some details
but anyway thanks for the help guys
i'm off to kill a tank
gl
in the ass (pardon muh french)
does the sniper also share the client side tumor weirdness?

good luck, try to get people to surround it
If you really dont want to scattergun it
Take His Lunch Money (all His Red artifacts)
in the simplest chance possible, my homie being a dumbass and we tried to knife it like we did with the mom
is it
doable ?
or it's just suicide kill
u can melee yes
but it's not really efficient so
Everything is. The question is how dedicated are you
used only to clip farm !
my mission is to kill immortal sire
^ literally just have 2 ppl with scatter and neither needs to reload
this one is sleeping too so they can sneak up behind and then instakill
that's how dedicated I am
is it r4c1 moment
Good luck. You Deal 0 damage due to Armor

in the same way that its possible for you to beat shaq at basketball. it'll probably be more effort than it'd be worth, a massive time drain, and your body would likely give up before shaq
but yeah you can certainly melee the pmom
taxing but kinda stupid indeed
tbf all of our ammo was 80%+ both main and special
when we're dealing with pmom
ye then just blast
I See you have been trying to Knife an awake BBC
I dunno what we're thinking back then
ill get the achivement one day
but until then i'll be a proud and consistant drain on my team's resources
my man is on grand mission I see
lol no, i play on client with my group, so i just scatter those 'distinguished individuals'
also burst cannon is a perfectly sufficient mid-range option for tanks. i think it takes like 8? bursts to kill it, but obviously it takes longer given that the tank won't be super jazzed about it
scatter is my baby though
Not the scattergun main :(
lemme do some math
You need 129 bullets
Being worth Almost 2 Ammo packs
Assuming Tank is a good Boy and doesnt move
If you really want to waste ammo just use machine pis to kill tank
that's literally half the vertua's reserve
so that's like, 11 seconds of continual sustained fire. add the (2) reloads you need, so 19, add the chargeup, so 20 seconds
its fine it kills the tank in 20 seconds*
Provided the tank doesn't turn around or move
assuming the tank is turned away from you, doesn't move, you have perfect spray control and also that whatever tumor shinanigans doesn't result in wasted damage
Very reliable
Just mag dump into His face
Average Meth enjoyer
This is what 21 seconds of meth looks like. Don't do math kids
anyways the veruta is a top tier special
i can't believe we're immortalizing this slander and not the "STRICTLY no speedrunning, no mute, speak american, have over 100 hours" dude
you diefy false idols. sheep, all of you
Hey if you want a good weapon you take AR
I hate all these Hange 🫃 wannabe players hoarding all the medipacks
, not contributing until 3 downed trying to long kite thinking they are so cool having watched a single professor scalar 🐉 tutorial on r2e1.
Like come on, you think you free-weekend players 🤑 can handle GTFO? That's cute. Do you know how many hours I have in cod zombies 🤦 ? Like you think you're hot shit because you've played Samdown, T3-E3? Get real!
You're just a wannabe speedrunner 🧠 who couldn't even handle Heat Havoc if your life depended on it.
Nah, Hange would win 🔥 , face it, you're out of your league.
Go back to Fortnite, stop joining Rose's 🌹 lobbies thinking your hot shit, let the real Gamers (Voxy, Hange) handle this.
You're nothing but a pub-tier
player pretending to hang with the big dogs. Go back to door bugging your clears.
Don't @me, git gud.
🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️
where's hange now
New name
where's
busy playing nightreign
juuzou suzuya
rip
Looking for 3 individuals, no more no less!
Language: American if possible
Before joining me on this expedition, I will need to set some rules as group leader:
STRICTLY no speedrunning of any kind. This means we play as a TEAM. I don't want to see my teammates running off into rooms of enemies all on thier own, YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE. This also includes planning out where we want to go and what we are doing. Just because you MIGHT know what we are meant to do in the level, doesn't mean you are 100% correct. We will use terminals and check our surroundings to plan our next move accordingly, being fully prepared for what's to come.
STRICTLY no mute players. I know some people don't like to use their microphone, but this is a HARDCORE team game. There is NO WAY we will survive if someone can't use their microphone. If you are one of those people who don't like to speak in this game, then this team is a bit too advanced for you.
If I believe that certain tool loadouts are good for this specific level, please, listen to what I am saying. I have over 100 hours in this game and i'm fairly certain I know what I'm doing. If you think any differently, that's fine, but don't be surprised when we die because of your stupidity in not listening to me. Also, I WILL laugh at you for it.
This game is HARDCORE and I'm looking for a HARDCORE team. If you don't fit that category then as the great one said, "hit the road".
You don’t get it. The Scout isn’t just some freak in the dark — she’s perfection. Long, lithe, and lethal. Every time I hear that slow, sensual croak echo through the mist, my body tenses in ways I can't explain. The way her tendrils reach out, like she's feeling for me in the air, desperate to touch, to connect. I don't fear her — I crave her.
I crouch in the dark, breathing heavy, pulse pounding, crawling toward her like I’m chasing a dream I’m not supposed to have. I watch her sway, back arched, her body pulsing with light, glowing like forbidden fruit in a sea of death. She moans — not in pain, but in need. A warning? No. A tease. A promise.
And when I slip up — when I step just a little too loud — she screams. God, that scream. It's not just rage. It's passion. It's release. It’s her telling the whole damn complex that I belong to her now.
So yeah, you can take your Bio Trackers and your sniper rifles. I don’t need ‘em. The Scout and I? We have an understanding. I wake her up, she ruins me, and for one brief, shining moment… we’re the only two beings that matter.
I will be posting this in DoW lfg channels
unironically my group has a bit where we're all super 'attracted' to scouts (because the other word i used was blocked)
1984
anyways im saving that copypasta on my computer because when the future water wars result in the total destruction of the internet i want some lasting, living memory of that dude. i'll carve it onto stone
he's my hero
@gaunt nacelle
Pluh
Your Freak is getting acknowledged
oh, a fellow connoisseur ~
Someone say scout?

#bot-commands message
HelGun had a fun experience of being nerfed
I remember it shooting super-fast compared to now
from 0.1 chargeup to 0.3 chargeup
Dont remember the numbers but the chargeup was way less
the gun is already crazy good, jesus
When i First saw it i thought it was Like the OG Helrevo Animations Mod. After i read the description i dropped it tho lmao
xd
Like HEL Rev, it's good if you can hit your shots
Stuff like HEL Rifle you can aim at center of mass and be okay because it onetaps most shit and the "good" comes from the crazy pen.
Gun good If you dont Miss?
i think the helgun is way more forgiving than the helrevo tbh
I mean by this logic MachinePistol is crazy good
I know hitting heads with HEL Gun is easier than hitting heads perfectly and never waste a bullet with MP
but you get what I mean
If we go by that logic (I know you just meant to do a joke, dont worry), any gun is already insane as demostrated by better bots
you can give those fuckers at 100% aim anything
they're gonna shred waves
veruta goes crazy
Honestly i dont get people who cant controll its recoil
The gun is still Dogshit tho
At that Point i would rather Just Take HAR
I mean it's also a Main vs a Special so it's unfair
Sleepo overslept HAR getting turned into a special
Nah I was there for OG R4
when it was basically AR but with range from what I remember
and a Main instead of a Special
Was it? I dont remember it being in OG R4. But i guess i Just have terrible memory
I'm sure it was there, consider I started playing with OG R4 Ext
the machine pistol just kinda suffers from having other weapons in its slot that competes with what it does with far less fuss about it. i am kinda interest to see like, what someone could do with it if they got CRAZY good with it though
MP is overhated w/ burst pistol tbh
It at least lets you kind of dump damage, which is more than most autos let you do.
i can see that, yeah. i think like most games, perception is kinda warped by like. the crazy bonkers weapons that it makes the lower end of the weapon scale look bad in comparison when like. they're perfectly fine and usable. like the "bad" weapons in this game are actually just like. mediocre
Idk if I agree w/ that.
MP is still bad
and a lot of the mid-tier weapons, there's no reason to use them.
yeah but it isnt like, "actively throwing your run" bad
It's just, I think most people think of MP as one of the worst autos, when it's probably one of the best (in Main)
Ehhh
I love machine pis
People that play bad guns will more often than not fail to do anything on many levels.
And its really fun falloff
(hey that's me)
And that can be pretty annoying for the players that are actually doing stuff depending on the content.
Honestly, i feel Like MP is suffering at mid to Long Ranges when other full Autos at least give you the Option to choose your distance
If someone is in my face i would Love MP over Bullpup or AR
Most auto falloffs are so mediocre that idk if it matters.
i dunno, i think thats more correlation than causation. people that aren't familiar with the meta, and WHY things are meta are going to be like, catagorically less familiar with the game as a whole. bad players aren't bad because they use bad guns, they're bad because they don't have the experience and knowledge in a game that VERY HEAVILY asks for both
In some content, sure
I mean hel auto has worse falloff
But if you're in like, the last few levels of the game
or the hardest few levels of the game
Not so much the falloff but the spread and stability
At some point, taking bad guns just means you're not trying to learn how to play at all
Which I personally think is rude.
Like i hate aiming with MP, it Just Covers half of your Screen
I don't think it's too much of a problem once you get used to it
hel auto has a lot of use tbh
because damage isn't its forte
it's a gun to hold down waves of chargers while the rest of the team does damage
and it has, as such, a very low "you need to aim this good to use it well" line
where all you need is to pepper-spray enemies carefully to maximize their time
but people mag dump
thinking it's an auto designed to do damage
I mean people mag dump a lot on earlier rundowns
And usually end up with no ammo
And no idea why
which is weird most days when it happens
Also machine pis is actually good for taking aggro if you really need to
you see, i'd argue that's like, a parallel discussion to the subject of the guns themselves though. like, the guns are tools to be used during the level. the hardest levels, the most strict content, asks that certain tools be used in the service of its completion. i'd argue that the guns are more of a flagbearer for that type of inflexability, but the inflexibility is a flaw of the player, not the tool
it kinda be the same as like, saying "I like shotgun sentry. I'm a shotgun sentry main, and I'm going to bring it on every level, agnostic of whether this is useful to me, the team, or anyone on the planet."
the shotgun sentry HAPPENS to be complete ass, but the flaw and fault is really on the player for not being flexable with their thinking and strategy
By all means 52 DPS is very good, you Just need to know when its actually worth going for it
It is a separate issue, but they're closely related imo
People play MG because they think MG is hot shit
If what you mean is "game has too little variety in challanges to guarantee a more or less equal spot for all the weapons it has" then yeah I kinda agree
you absolute mag dump autopistol when you're having to play for yourself, when you're playing for your team you'll play more conservatively and for stagger
...
well, yeah
but I wasn't thinking of the context being me alone 🤣
i think you hit on the point more eloquently than i did, but i don't nessissarily know that if there were particularly difficult levels that heavily advantaged the less favored weapons that they'd really be looked at much more fondly than they would be
like, say that machine pistol, for whatever reason, was a bonkers weapon in the back half of r8
i dont really think it would change the perception of that weapon beyond it being more favored as a niche pickup
Best Thing i Could think of is R7D2 with it having nigh unlimited Ammo, favouring guns that might have great damage Output but are very Ammo hungry
i think the contrapostive to this is helauto pistol. like, this is basically unverifiable, but I dont think community perception of that gun would be as good if surge alarms didn't exist to really make it shine
eh
high stagger, overpen, low damage really only excels as a support weapon where you're not nessissarily interested in killing everything in front of you immediately
surges genuinely work better with guns that can kill
i'll have to defer to your expertise on the subject
its basically just a stagger that sends the enemy back to a spawn point
hel shotgun
hel shotgun does both killing and stagger
hel auto pistol still is good in a surge because it allows 1 player to give the team breathing room
but if stagger was the most important on a surge, then hel auto would be better than hel shotty for it
i don’t like hel shotty’s downtime but it’s fun here and there
Problem is that If they are in your face you dont want them to Keep Dancing. More will come and eventually you wont be able to Split the Attention on all of them
yeah ill concede that a lot of my views are kinda colored by the fact i mainly play with a static group of people
you will most of the time tbh
i think sleepo had the most salient point here that level design doesn't do the lower tier guns many favors though, but I'm struggling to really come up with a counter example of like. "This gun would shine in X, Y, Z circumstances" besides what maliefic outlined w/ r7d2
for the most part, the good guns are good because they cover a pretty wide range of needs and uses
or they're exceptional at their use
(which i realize isn't like. a radical or new point)
Level Design. Whats the Point of having Low end damage falloff weapons If 90% of all tiles are bowels trenches and corridors
There are absolutely some great lines
my group has started playing r6 and oh my god the waterways are such a breath of fresh air
and sewage
while an interesting thought experiment, it's hard to properly immerse into because of how the game itself functions
even where there's factors that would help lift the worse guns, the good guns are that much better that they'd still fall short
Hello Tgb
i think the most varied, like, completely unstructured moments of r6 ||where you're running around the alt dimension and your only objective is to survive, and you're basically on a tiny CoD map|| is a sort of window into a world where most players would struggle to hold a meaningful defensive position, and it really seems like run and gun is the intended way of living through it
i think missions where players can't really hold a meaningful defensive position at all would shift certain guns in and out of preference, although i think things like sawed off would still be really crazy
oh! and the long bridge from that r4 mission? B3? but beyond that, yeah, i think youre right in that its kind of an untenable thought experiment given how structured the game usually is
who wants to play barotrauma
Consider that there rly isnt many combat scenarios to cover
There is typical waves, close range and line focused
- is the most open
- is a niche for some guns (or rather they can do more there than usual)
- is just pen guns
I got pinged talking about fruit and I had to scroll through someone’s SMUT about the scout
There just aren't "niche uses" for the vast majority of the game, though.
you're 100% right
PR and Sniper are the main standouts there, but most weapons that are good in specific situations are good in those situations because they are just good in general.
I think the only noteable one is close range waveclear
Where combat shotgun (an already decent to good gun) shines hard
And something as meh as veruta at least looks decent
isn't answer is just scatter tho
scatter is broken and does pretty well in close range waveclear due to burst
but you dont have good uptime
u have sawed off !!
you could also have sawed off with combat shotgun
So not rly an argument
or hel shotgun
CS strikes me as more a weapon that is power-crept, but doesn't see play because stronger options do the same things.
yea but like sawed off solves the uptime thingy majingy
nah
Sawed off itself is the good uptime gun
Same as Carbine
it doesnt suddenly leadto scatter having good uptime
idk i've never had a time where 4 sawed off and 2 scatter is not enough
Just open r6d2 blood door with the mom abd room still alive :^ )
80 babies without the birth

u just kill on ladder
Idk if CS is doing much there tbh
Covers noticeably better
climb?
i think what kinda surprises me the most going into more difficult levels is how much ammo usually isnt a problem. like, ammo economy wise
ideal is scatter tries to kill as much as possible
Then sawed off/hel shotty/combat shotty (or host HAR kek) kill the other 50+
hello I would like a 6 use ammo for my baby clear scatter
with "too little variety in challanges" this is what I meant btw
Ammo is rareoy scarce yea
Theres levels where its mildly scarce (you should stealth and not mess up and it punishes non ideal play(
And theres a few where its actually scarce (and then theres r7c3 start)
u get me
and then there's r4d1 where there's so much of the damn stuff that it feels like the level didn't generate properly
No?
oops, all ammo
people rly gotta start doing more gun only runs
An interesting question for number-crunchers, what percentages of the enemies that spawn in all the game (including alarms and sleeping enemies, consider an average time, whatever) is the normal, plain striker?
its actually crazy btw how you can kill the whole first 4 zones in r6d2 PLUS the class 10 s alarm with 6 uses of ammo plus starting ammo
(If you foam and mine the giant alarm before)
Because I think that's what I'm shooting at for the vast majority of the time
due to alarm length hard to tell
Give me a guess
You could think about encounter amounts for alarms
but for stealth its actually calculatable
idk man like 80%
since we know rough enemy amounts
yeah that's the high ceiling of what I'm thinking
I'm thinking around 50% at least but it's just speculation on my part
say 1/10 enemies is a giant, 1/100 is a boss? 1/5ish is a shooter?
I would love to see a tierlist based upon how much ammo scarcity is a factor
like 60%? maybe 70%
With alarms its likely higher
Reminder that in r1,2 and 3 theres a total of 5 levels where they arent in every alarm and stealth room
Its easily above 80% id assume with alarms
either way, a pretty firm supermajority
Point is, with enemies being for a good part the same (striker but big, striker and the invisibility cloak of Schaeffer), the only variable is where you fight (fog, distance) and little more IMHO
So the... what, 12 main weapons we have are never going to have the same spotlight no matter what numbers you juggle around IMHO
fog, light, distance, amount, diversity
i dunno, i think striker but big is a relevant force multiplier that changes how effective lots of guns are
but yeah, for the most part you're fighting small strikers
where tf is a giant alarm or class 10 s
am I high
oh u prob meant r5d2
ya
Class 10 alarms😨
My team can't even beat r2c2 bro😭 🙏
how did your best attempt go
Died on the first alarm door😭

One of the first choke points for newer players, you will clear it eventually, this lvl is training field before real hard lvls with error alarms 
I can get on in 4 hours give or take
some complete weapons
I need people with skill sorry 😔
You where asking for tools bro🤷♂️
Your just autistic :troll face:
You shuld let me in tho, i probably can't even play the level you want to😭
can you play at 40 frames
I get like 60+ im pretty sure
not here you wont 
Where is here bro💀 you takeing me to the woods of 30 fps😭 🙏
Im taking you outside
You can't do this to me🤢
just dont mind the gun in my hand
I still have the everything proof shield from my arguments from first grade
the first alarm is honestly one of the more chaotic parts of the level. they come from the north and from the south stairs and it's honestly kind of inconvenient to hold. the level opens up quite a bit after the following zone
Aids fog :(
beginners having to step into infectious fog for one zettasecond
Bro i can't see in aids fog and it herta my eyes irl, shit does damage in real life😭 🙏
im coding minecraft

🤣
fog turbine for the win
Fog should just be removed becaus all it does is hurt my eyes tbh
cconsole for the win 🙃
Tell me more
you dont need it for legit runs 
Wdym
it is mod
you can teleport with it, give yourself infinite ammo,hp etc, remove fog and bunch of other stuff
it is useful for some strat tests
Im guessing runs don't count with it
you can tweak mode setting, so runs with mods will count towards completition achievements
How?
Me playing in a lobby 🤷♂️
This is solo trials now
Ye the game gives other people good luck when i play the game, i get all the bad luck
always getting a fucking ammo in a hack lock
1 use ammo*
i dont like shadows :c
shadow scout
big flyer scouts 
too many shadow tank/hybrid flashbacks?
ong
shadow hybrids my beloved but like i hate fighting invisible enemies
there are very few that i find fun
if only there was some way to see them
crawling shadow tank scout
How do you even deal with the invis enemies? Pray the bot keeps scan up?
Ok but what if my eyesight sucks and i srill can't see them? Am i cooked?
yup
:(
Fighting shadows in fully lit rooms is so annoying
Simple solution: Light test.
Actualy smart wth
dont wake sleepers
try out a variety of weapons to see what works
watch guides
specifically D4rkeva
after that you watch #guides-and-reviews message
but also understand that some weapons are simply better than others so if you're struggling that can be a deciding factor
stealth guide @graceful geode
but before that i'd throw yourself in blind for a couple runs for the heck of it
play and try every gun for the fun of it to get a feel
then maybe check whats good if needed
alright, thanks yall
do i get this game even if i dont have friends that wanna play
is discord lfg any good
i think its fun even with only bots, but people in the discord will absolutely join you
Hiiii eva
hi
Lost r2c1 today
u suck
I want to hang myself
R2Cnone

did you die to the one room with the shitload of sleepers?
oh damn, that sucks
@silver spade
watch yo tone
@near stag this is ur fault that i ragebait easy
Hello everyone! Can you please tell me what is the most difficult mission in GTFO?
r1a1
Thx
nah but id say like r8e2, r2e1, idk
i personally suck ass, so everything is difficult for me
r8e2
blame it on your team
im my team lmfao
solo?
plus dauda but i despawned him so he wouldnt interfere with my kiting
hackett better but ok
i aggroed like 3 too few giants and hybrids spawned in
which went about as one might expect
hate those bastards
long kiting 💀
Riddle me this, why do I suck at gtfo
Cuz someone spawns 6 tanks :3
too much shirtless hackett
Hard to play with one hand
Too little shirtless Woods
my fault g
Whenever Hackett says hands off cocks he’s referring to me
we got pings
Does Hel Rifle one shots charger scout in the front?
yes (for chargers not charger scouts)
we need to find a big scout
the FRONT? NO???
tank scout when
I think the game is just rigged against me. I always spawn with 0 ammo and then big alarms happen
whoops, meant for chargers... you need back for charger scouts
patrol tank
what did it do in practice
patrol is they walk around but still have regular steath rules
so they wake from walking
sprinting
etc
and dont have pulsing or anything so theyre just kinda unplayable
gotcha so that would need its own stealth rules
Could reduce their detection range by a lot
Make sure you take 2 cold showers and wake up at 4am and start a podcast
#neverstopgambling 🗣️
HAAANK, HAAANK, DONT SHOOT THE C SCOUT IN THE FRONT!!! HAAANNK
why are you awake at this hour
wtf
why are you still awake

no. i dont kiss minors
Damn
Frfr we into either 30+ year old women or men 18 and up
hello again
Greetings

they gonna hoard all those free money for themselves after all
typical mods
Free money 
Where's my free 50$ steam credit 
MOOOOOOOOOODS





