gtfo-chat

[lost lynx]

Me when 4 pen max

[carmine violet]

how whold mines help your just thowing fome that freezes them like 20% of the time?

[graceful geode]

Which what I said is just to make you understand

[quaint ledge]

R2E1 with c-foam :D

[rugged mesa]

Mines are so super useful when I fuck up stelth and need a fast way to clear a room

[inner turret]

4 pen is exactly what he said the wave was

[graceful geode]

what difference being cracked at aiming does

[lost lynx]

Using foam on enemies is a waste

Unless it's a big scout

[rugged mesa]

I’ve never seen anyone flick in this game

Not once

[carmine violet]

thats why i dont use it

[lost lynx]

You want foam to reinforce doors and buy you time for alarms

Or do another things

[carmine violet]

i used it once like 3h in and never toched it since same with the mines

[quaint ledge]

You'll probably find the appeal of it after you encounter higher alarm doors

[rugged mesa]

Just on the ground it has minimal impact but it’s still useful

[mystic moss]

they make the game easier :D

[lost lynx]

Yeah R1 is very tame in a lot of aspects

You'll see in R2 and beyond

[carmine violet]

am in r2c1 i can tell

upto

[inner turret]

my extremist example is that no amount of being cracked at aiming will help u if u dont know that u have to do secondary before main in r5d1
and theres other levels like that too

[rugged mesa]

More enemies killed by mines because c foam stalls them at the door letting them stack up means less ammo from your gun is used

[inner turret]

if u do main first it turns from a D level into a F level lol

[graceful geode]

But that's just 0-1 knowledge

[lost lynx]

Pretty much R2C2+ is when the difficulty starts to feel

[graceful geode]

I tell you and that's it

[inner turret]

most knowledge is like that yea

[graceful geode]

1 guy knowing what to do in the map is really enough in most cases

[inner turret]

yea

[graceful geode]

you're gonna struggle way less in R2D2 with 3 people cracked at aiming

[inner turret]

but more people that know the better

[graceful geode]

rather than 3 players who know the map but they struggle

A LOT more

[rugged mesa]

Would you say it would ruin the experience for the others if one person just knew everything?

[graceful geode]

beyond the discussion we're having tbh

[quaint ledge]

Depends on the player

[inner turret]

as i said u dont need to aim if u know how to manipulate enemy pathing

[rugged mesa]

That’s fair. I’m just scared that I might ruin the game for my group if I do that

[graceful geode]

my point was always that aiming well carries you far more than any amount of game knowledge, which you can acquire in a week

[junior latch]

knowledge moment

[mystic moss]

me manipulating enemy pathing in a room with no doors

[carmine violet]

i have learnt in the last like 30m auto and shotgun turrets are bad and sniper and the berst are good bio is not just a crux giving it to bots now mines are useable and c fome still dont know how though

[inner turret]

yea u can, some scans are a lot easier if u stand in specific spots within the scan

[graceful geode]

Reactors, especially, are a big damn deal about aiming at least decently in most cases

[rugged mesa]

.

[quaint ledge]

You could always ask beforehand if they mind or not

[rugged mesa]

Yea imma do that next time thanks

[inner turret]

i think its more about knowing where to set up and hold

[carmine violet]

i shold probily go learn the game after learning how to play keyboard

[graceful geode]

but again that's 0-1 stuff

[junior latch]

why not at the same time

[rugged mesa]

What does 0-1 mean?

[graceful geode]

and not even THAT important unless you're resisting in weird places

[carmine violet]

i do really like the carbine and the hel rifle

[inner turret]

yea most knowledge is like that

[junior latch]

https://youtu.be/0pN3-km-t28?si=StQ8ok7VbhPE4bwU&t=51 (Its a specific clip that it jumps to regarding this)

[carmine violet]

those are what i mainly use

[graceful geode]

you either know the "best strategy" (or a good one, really) or you dont

[rugged mesa]

Ah ok ty

[inner turret]

knowing what enemies spawn where is also 0-1
knowing what weapon to bring to every level

[burnt flume]

and out there, somewhere, goat cries in pain

[inner turret]

u can say that about every piece of knowledge

[junior latch]

wat

[lost lynx]

Eva you are a bit late

Also ping pong for you

Hehe

[inner turret]

mines situation is that theres doors in the level i guess

[rugged mesa]

I just like the foam

[carmine violet]

you can c phome doors?????

[lost lynx]

OH MY GOD OA THAT CLUSTERFUCK

[lost lynx]

C foam, yes

[mystic moss]

waiting a bajillion years for my carbine to finish firing so I can shoot hel rifle and wait another bajillion years for shot delay

[lost lynx]

It will reinforce them

[fresh heron]

says the guy that had the 6 month old A2 password

[carmine violet]

and mine them?

[rose nova]

mee when thee description of the tool says "reinforce doors"

[lost lynx]

Read the password

Slowly

[fresh heron]

I got it, the 6 should be a 9 for better effect

[lost lynx]

You can mine anything, but mines usually work well with doors

[carmine violet]

i used it once 5 hours in same with mines then never used them again

[junior latch]

@carmine violet you should rly watch some guides (dw they are spoiler free)

your horizon is about to be expanded

[fresh heron]

not the self promo

[carmine violet]

yeah maybe a good idea

[rose nova]

im not talking usage just when u select it in the menu

[lost lynx]

SELF PROMO

[rugged mesa]

Free advertising?

[junior latch]

I SAID GUIDES
like scalers, hanis aswell

[quaint ledge]

Advertising god

[junior latch]

BRUH

[lost lynx]

mods, change his GPU for integrated graphics

[junior latch]

scaler has the alarm guide since im not making that one anymore

and terminal guide

and more

ill bonk all of you

[carmine violet]

let me try to learn to move well first

[rugged mesa]

Make a guide on making your prisoner look the most fashionable

[carmine violet]

on keyboard

[lost lynx]

Pick the lemon head

Profit?

[junior latch]

look like I do ingame
finish

[junior latch]

see
someone gets it

[graceful geode]

They say I look like a Spiderman Pajama

[fresh heron]

what about in game?

[graceful geode]

I meant ingame 🤣

[carmine violet]

the first thing new player mistakes is stuff like not using the bio god dam it

[rugged mesa]

Can’t wait for a GTFO fashion show

I wonder if there are costume mods

[quaint ledge]

Use reactor room as a runway

[rugged mesa]

red flashing lights would perfect it

[junior latch]

oh also btw
because people are claiming self promo

who here is interested in joining a lockout bingo tournament? We are still looking for 2 more teams (2 players per team)

[fresh heron]

doubles down

[rugged mesa]

What would lockout intale for GTFO

Like just missions?

[quaint ledge]

Go big or go home lol

[junior latch]

specific tasks, challenges

[rugged mesa]

So like do x level bulkhead/second

Or melee only etc

[junior latch]

can be

[carmine violet]

learning to use 1 2 3 4 and 5 to switch is so wired

[junior latch]

its typically aimed so you can do it fast

[lost lynx]

Ah yes

Fast

[carmine violet]

what is a bulkhead?

[rugged mesa]

Idk

[lost lynx]

A very very special door

[carmine violet]

oh

[lost lynx]

You haven't seen them yet

[carmine violet]

oooooooooo

[quaint ledge]

You'll get to them in due time

[burnt flume]

they're not that special

[carmine violet]

i want special door

[rugged mesa]

It’s a door that’s bulky and has a head

[carmine violet]

ok that makes sence

[burnt flume]

just fancier doors used later in the game when levels get a touch more complex

[junior latch]

for example some tasks/challenges for the last bingo (which was solo with 1 bot allowed) were:

kill an A tier with x/y weapons
kill a mother with only hel auto pistol
take 60% fall dmg in r6b2

[lost lynx]

We have boring door, chunky door, massive door

[carmine violet]

i dont know what that means

[burnt flume]

they're doors that look different basically

[rugged mesa]

Add where it’s just kill a mother melee only

[carmine violet]

ok

[burnt flume]

only present later in the game

[lost lynx]

4 bats

[junior latch]

was in duo before and was in full team lockout bingo

[lost lynx]

Easy stagger spam

[carmine violet]

so how can i use the number keys well its really wired

[rugged mesa]

Nah but melee mother w 4 spears

[junior latch]

2 bats if done rly well can do mother no birth

[junior latch]

you have your ring, middle and index finger on wasd

[carmine violet]

ok

[rugged mesa]

It’s like a piano

[lost lynx]

Actually there should be some images in Google about how to position your hand for games

[junior latch]

then, at least I do so, move a finger you feel good with to 1, 2, 3 or 4 depending on whats closest of those 3

[carmine violet]

that does not help at all

[junior latch]

most of the time its the middle finger

[burnt flume]

it's something that gets easier with time

[rugged mesa]

Just don’t do the mumbo jumbo one

[junior latch]

thumb is for spacebar -> jumping

you just gotta play with it a lot

most people have been playing wasd for games for 10+ years

I started with minecraft

in...

2012?

[rugged mesa]

Has any one unironically used scroll wheel for jump in this game?

[lost lynx]

What PC were you rocking back then

[carmine violet]

am thinking about it

[lost lynx]

I need to know

[junior latch]

a shitty ass laptop

[rugged mesa]

It’s like smth cs source players used to do

[junior latch]

I cant even tell you what kinda pc im using rn (which funnily enough is from 2014)

aside from my gpu

[lost lynx]

Poor GPU

[junior latch]

do

not

spacebar = jump

get used to the typical layout

it might be weird rn

but youll get used to it

[rugged mesa]

Never in GTFO

[carmine violet]

because my ring always goes for the 1 key even if am moving

[carmine violet]

crouch is mouse 5

[lost lynx]

If it's your first game get used to the common keys
99% of games use them

[burnt flume]

i used to use side mouse button for jump, but returned to using spacebar before picking up gtfo

[rugged mesa]

In games with bunny hoping maybe

[junior latch]

the question is why

whats the benefit

[rugged mesa]

The only games you should be attaching jump to scroll wheel are games with bunny hoping

[carmine violet]

less to remember

[lost lynx]

For GTFO the only "weird" bind is that i have the shove button to one of my side mouse buttons

But that's it

[junior latch]

the more you change the weirder it will be in the future

[carmine violet]

fine

[junior latch]

which has the benefit of reload canceling

[quaint ledge]

Try to stay to the default layout

That'll help with other FPS games in the future

[junior latch]

other first person games in general

[burnt flume]

again, my jump was on mouse 5 for years
holdover from when my spacebar broke in 2017 on a crappy keyboard and i had to work around that

[quaint ledge]

Thank you for clarifying

[rugged mesa]

Why is it that the games I actually enjoy playing cause unnecessary stress on me

[lost lynx]

The feeling of "fuck yeah I did it"

Also known as

Dopamine

[rugged mesa]

Tbf that mission survived music is PEAK

[junior latch]

more dopamine when more challenge

[carmine violet]

i think i got basic stealth but i dont think spear will work for me anymore

or at least for now

[junior latch]

I played through chants of sennaar a few days ago
obviously not a game like gtfo, but the feeling of solving a language is rly nice

[rugged mesa]

If any of yall watch spiff I’ve been playing peaks of yore and am on the final peak and I can’t wait to finish it for the dopamine spike

[junior latch]

have you checked the stealth video?

[carmine violet]

played that one all the time i think i got a like 15m tempest at one point while just playing

[junior latch]

also yea spear is
theres community tierlists (either check rayalots on reddit or the sleeper podcast in the guides channel/youtube) if you are interested in how good stuff is

[carmine violet]

but i love spear : (

[rugged mesa]

DAMN

That’s an insane time

[junior latch]

sadly the devs appearantly did not

[carmine violet]

i mean if am on contoler i play really well with it

[rugged mesa]

It takes me 20 minutes just to get to icicles

Oh wait if you’re new to keyboard and mouse did you play peaks of yore on controller?

[carmine violet]

yep

[junior latch]

spear is a lot more limiting than say the hammer (best melee)

[rugged mesa]

WHAT

WHY

WHYWHYWHY

[carmine violet]

i have free aim so it worked quite well

and the tempest wr is like 10m right now

last time i checked

[rugged mesa]

It’s like 8 now

[carmine violet]

oh

[rugged mesa]

No wait so you have a finger for movement on a joystick, one joystick for free aim, and shoulder is for each hand?

How do you switch to pickaxes?

[carmine violet]

index for right trigger and crampons and left middel thinger for left hand

[carmine violet]

left dpad

and right dpad

its quite hard

[rugged mesa]

That’s insane, I could never my hand could crumple from cramps

[carmine violet]

my left thumb if contol stick and pickaxe gettingout

i think it was 13m ine minnit behind workd record when i did it but my pc was unabile to handle recording the game

[rugged mesa]

Wait how do you jump

[carmine violet]

and then one day i got called i cheater for joking around with a cheater that was my friend so i trusted them

whoops

[rugged mesa]

Oof

[carmine violet]

they said they found a glitch

[rugged mesa]

It was a hack my guess

[carmine violet]

it was a bug with a old verson of a free cam mod

i think

but dont really care about that the games gone now it got rid of my wings again

never finished the dlc in the end

[rugged mesa]

I wanna play the dlc once im done with ST

And maybe get into speedrunning

[carmine violet]

i recomend it

[rugged mesa]

I’m not done w it yet but I think my time so far is ok

Like 20 minutes and I’m at 3000m

[carmine violet]

i think we shold stop this chat we are in the GTFO chat

[rugged mesa]

Yes true

[carmine violet]

nice chat though

i mainly play rain world now

[rugged mesa]

Hold on lemme dm you a link to the peaks discord

[carmine violet]

nope

thats where that happened

[rugged mesa]

Ah

Sorry

[carmine violet]

apparently one member just before the dlc asked for me to come back

a cople months after i left

i friend said to me

but eh the game is sour to me now

[rugged mesa]

Oof ok

Good chat tho

[carmine violet]

yeah

also if you have the spear out its right click to shove

[junior latch]

is so for any melee

but the "melee" (aka shove) button, typically on c

shoves even if you are on a weapon, tool etc (by quickswapping to melee)

[carmine violet]

hm

also the switching wepon thing is not working even out of combat

[junior latch]

?

wdym not working

[carmine violet]

my fingers no work

[junior latch]

and "switching weapon thing"

where are you resting your left hands ring, middle and index finger

[carmine violet]

ring on a middle on w and index on d

[junior latch]

does your middle finger reach up to "2 and 3"

can even use the index for 3

[carmine violet]

yes but it comprises all others

kind of

[junior latch]

I typically use ring/middle for 1
middle for 2
middle/index for 3
index for 4 (you rarely use 5 and 6 anyway in a hurry)

[junior latch]

what o.O

[carmine violet]

am dislexic bear with me

[rose nova]

do u have rings if not we will cut ur finger

[carmine violet]

am really trying

ok so when i reach to 2 my hand follows

and tilts

and it take 1-2 seconds to acctuly do anything and i cant do it while moving

[lost lynx]

It takes practice but at some point you'll start doing it by pure instinct

[carmine violet]

but on controler i made a system for everything i can use my pinkie mid run to crouch and to swich wepons i count

[junior latch]

you used a ton of time

for a system

which works "meh"

you obviously gotta spend time to readjust

dont be america being stubborn on imperical system xD

its a lot better to have the instant swaps

[carmine violet]

am british

but i am stobbon enough to spend 223h doing somthing without getting any help and i did do it and it was worth it

[junior latch]

wait are you right handed or left handed?

[carmine violet]

ambidextrous

[junior latch]

ah ok
because if you were fully lefthanded then typical keyboard use can get weird from what ive heard

[lost lynx]

Treat shadows just as normal enemies

[inner turret]

u can also just rebind ur keys

[lost lynx]

But use your flashlight

[carmine violet]

i mainly use my right hand anyway

[inner turret]

im mostly ok with normal shadows and even shadow scouts, but for some reason shadow giants are harder to see

ill just randomly kiss one by accident and get slapped to the ground

[carmine violet]

i mean maybe but what do you rebind them to

[pure belfry]

when is the wedding

[lost lynx]

Btw if you wake up shadows it will be fine

They are slower than normal enemies

You can outrun them easily

[junior latch]

the point is that they have not played mouse and keyboard before

[inner turret]

i have side mouse buttons that i use for melee and tool

oh i see

[junior latch]

recommending rebinding stuff just pushes issues into the future

hence we are telling them to just get used to it

[pure belfry]

I know people on lower end PCs basically cant see Shadows

[gaunt nacelle]

Wat lol

[inner turret]

then it will be a matter of getting used to it

[junior latch]

with typical binds

[carmine violet]

i have quite big hands this shold not be a issue

[hasty bobcat]

what's the discussion about today

[gaunt nacelle]

I only have crouch bounded to my side mouse buttons

[lost lynx]

Teaching someone how to use keyboard and mouse

[junior latch]

nothing important anymore
new player who only ever used controllers switching to mouse n keyboard

[hasty bobcat]

man

[inner turret]

im complete opposite

[hasty bobcat]

same

[inner turret]

i can only use kb/m

[lost lynx]

I know how to use both

[hasty bobcat]

i've heard people

[lost lynx]

I grew up with a PS3 mostly

[hasty bobcat]

talking about toggle/hold sprint

[gaunt nacelle]

Im kb/m until a car shows up

[carmine violet]

i mean i have played 70h with controller witch is calsing some issues

[pure belfry]

hey sky/EVA were crawling shadows in Rundown 001 a good idea

[hasty bobcat]

and when I said like I have hold sprint

[hasty bobcat]

man

i joined

[inner turret]

last time i tried to use a controller i kept getting lost just trying to turn my camera

[hasty bobcat]

post r8

this is not my alley

[lost lynx]

For normal games I hold
For movement shooters I like toggle more

[hasty bobcat]

also shadow crawlers

is just evil

if normal crawlers are already op

[junior latch]

neither of us started then
I played some og r1, but It didnt rly feel impactful

[burnt flume]

i tried playing some og r1a1 solo some months back and

[inner turret]

iv never had issue with crawlers.
i cant really imagine what shadow crawlers are like

[burnt flume]

oh my god

what a mistake

didn't even clear

[hasty bobcat]

main issue with crawlers is that their animation is faster

[lost lynx]

Is it that bad?

[hasty bobcat]

when they tongue u

[inner turret]

i do remember visibility was even worse before

[hasty bobcat]

so u get less time to react

[pure belfry]

i will post in #gtfo-media

[hasty bobcat]

but if you don't realise it you're not there yet 😔

[burnt flume]

the bigger threat was probably that shadows were fast until r4

[pure belfry]

how fast?

same as strikers?

[burnt flume]

think so, but can't exactly remember

og r2e1 shadow giants, nothing in this game can make you shit more bricks

[gaunt nacelle]

Damn couldn’t kite like I did in our R4C2 run

[pure belfry]

were those faster than current Giants

[lost lynx]

Fast shadows
Now that sounds scary

[burnt flume]

(i want to say) most definitely, they were fucking terrifying

[hasty bobcat]

I assume there was no rule

the 10 meter rule

[gaunt nacelle]

The humble 1 km rule

[pure belfry]

yeah I talked with a guy in VC last night that played back then, they had longer tongues than they do now

I didn't know they were faster too though

[gaunt nacelle]

Bro u telling me im playing the nerfed game?😭🙏

[burnt flume]

i'd need to boot up og r2e1 and check the side zone i guess

[pure belfry]

I am highly interested to see these OG shadow giants

[hasty bobcat]

my favorite goat line

is when they told me that if they were to pick a pub or og r4 sniper sentry

[junior latch]

you could kite better...

[hasty bobcat]

sniper sentry always wins

[burnt flume]

you could not play as to the wall as you can currently, easier to get pushed back by enemies

[junior latch]

no stamina = no stamina

[gaunt nacelle]

Im not good at the game though🤔

[pure belfry]

moth when he goes more than 5 minutes without taking fall damage

[hasty bobcat]

moth

u have no stam

[gaunt nacelle]

[hasty bobcat]

u don't need stam resets

[junior latch]

you hold w and shift

[hasty bobcat]

and u can jump and dash freely

[junior latch]

and can jump over everything

[hasty bobcat]

it's like cheats

[junior latch]

sliding also gave you actual speed
and dash was free

[gaunt nacelle]

OG? DAYM

[hasty bobcat]

yeah

[junior latch]

also enemies didnt slow you down

[hasty bobcat]

it's like those qol mod users

[burnt flume]

don't get momentum bugged!

[hasty bobcat]

true !

me when i'm blackhopping

smh

[gaunt nacelle]

The humble bugs

[junior latch]

oh no, I cant spam jump? crazy

[pure belfry]

the humble Population Bug in OG R5

[burnt flume]

that shit was so fuckin cool

you see 3 empty rooms, start getting scared, and then you get to see 30 enemies in one room and fucking fight for your life

[gaunt nacelle]

So yes I am unfortunate

[burnt flume]

https://www.twitch.tv/androgynygoat/clip/VainSpotlessWeaselAMPEnergy-ZrqZ8Pgj0eBztpgI

[gaunt nacelle]

The humble mine?

[burnt flume]

what if you don't slot mines

what if there is no door

what if it's before r5 and mines don't work well

[hasty bobcat]

man

og r5 wave clear is busted

[junior latch]

tbf what goat said is soso depending on when exactly

r1 and then r2/r3 have very different gun strength compared to rn especially since precision multis werent a thing yet (and other bugs existed)

r4 had hel revo and burst cannon for guns as good as top ones rn basically

r5 had same wave clear than we do rn. But boss clear was actually balanced

R6 was busted (hel gun, scatter release, sniper, hel revo etc)

r7 in og form was probably the most balanced the game has been overall ngl

og r1 guns feel like ass but can kill fast

[unreal crystal]

Og r5?

[hasty bobcat]

ye

.1

[unreal crystal]

Boss clear was fucking ass

[junior latch]

yea

[hasty bobcat]

shotgun !

[junior latch]

actually balanced

no scatter no burst cannon

[unreal crystal]

Yeah kinda just shotgun or sniper

[burnt flume]

you either roll with shotgun or spend 3 mags sniper

[unreal crystal]

but it was not fun

[gaunt nacelle]

I thought about playing OG but I think I’m good

[unreal crystal]

Shotgun probs was at least

[hasty bobcat]

was slug a thing

or na

[unreal crystal]

But I don’t think many ppl ran it

Slug was not

[hasty bobcat]

rip

[burnt flume]

slug is r8

fuckin new gen

[hasty bobcat]

MY

BAD

[burnt flume]

heh

[unreal crystal]

I think og r5’s weapon selection was just really lame

Outside of a few

[pure belfry]

what about OG R4 HAR being a primary weapon

[junior latch]

eeeh?

[burnt flume]

yeah none of the guns feel great to slot tbh

[junior latch]

ass

[unreal crystal]

that machinegun was really bad

In hindsight

[mystic moss]

og r5 just lacked good primaries

[junior latch]

its still rly bad

[junior latch]

but yea it was even worse

[burnt flume]

i mean DMR is cool, pistol feels a bit limp in spite of being so talked up

[unreal crystal]

And yeah

[burnt flume]

ya, truly

[mystic moss]

cause everyone was having withdrawal symptoms from r4 hel revo

[junior latch]

it didnt have anything S tier

but like, thats the point of balanced weaponry

[burnt flume]

you have DMR, DTR which doesn't 1h1b shooters, and pistol really

[junior latch]

dmr and pistol ya

[unreal crystal]

I can’t imagine coming off of r4 to go to pistol as your best primary

What a fall off

[burnt flume]

it's so sad

idk if i can ever slot pistol again

[mystic moss]

me watching khepri rate all the r5 weapons

[burnt flume]

how good is this weapon at holding a wave

as i run backwards

through 9 rooms

[unreal crystal]

My nightmare blunt rotation is 8 different khepri’s showing me how the different r5 guns hold waves

[burnt flume]

at the time it seemed fine, not enough knowledge or experience to realise it for what it was

in retrospect, awful

[junior latch]

Pistol is still fine

idk

sawed off, hel revo, hel shotgun arent balanced

stronger guns are obviously more fun

since killing is fun

[hasty bobcat]

saying hel revo isn't balanced is kinda crazy

[junior latch]

it isnt

lol

its overtuned

imagine why tru fucking nerfs it in VR

[pure belfry]

I did have the chance to try out VR hel revo

[junior latch]

its been rated as S tier since its been released

[burnt flume]

i read that as virtual reality instead of vanilla reloaded

[unreal crystal]

not anymore

[junior latch]

SAME

[unreal crystal]

it’s an A tier gun

[burnt flume]

S is for sawed off

and scattergun

and nothing else

[junior latch]

rating hel revo A tier is an awful take i will say

if its based on sawed off S tier then just push sawed off higher

[unreal crystal]

it quite literally does not matter if it’s S or A

[junior latch]

unless you have A tier guns pushed down aswell

[junior latch]

well yea
was just about to clarify

[unreal crystal]

because the other guns are all below A

[junior latch]

hel revo can be A tier if you want it to be the standard for A tier

but then your A tier =/= my A tier (in this example)

[burnt flume]

but the DMR solos...

[junior latch]

either way

Hel revo is clearly too good

[hasty bobcat]

idk I don't find hel revo to be that good

[junior latch]

fucking new gen

[unreal crystal]

self reporting your bad aim

[junior latch]

^

[hasty bobcat]

that

[unreal crystal]

Yikes…

[hasty bobcat]

is correct

but like

[burnt flume]

ay back off yeah?

[hasty bobcat]

I feel like the gun is just high ceiling

[unreal crystal]

in a world where hel shotty and sawed off dont exist what gun are you using

[burnt flume]

bullying new gens is my thing

[hasty bobcat]

that's other question !

[junior latch]

dont even have to remove both

just remove sawed off

like, even with sawed off hel revo is still in a good spot

and we all know sawed off is overtuned (4 mag was a GREAT idea)

[junior latch]

sry sry
bully more pls

[pure belfry]

it bugs me that both the sawed off and hel revo have more rounds in magazine than physically visible when reloading
sawed off has 3, hel revo has 6

[unreal crystal]

It’s a ceiling that is easily reached by those who put thousands of hours into the game

Even less than that

[junior latch]

just revert sawed off to 3

easy as that

[hasty bobcat]

yea but like

u need to play it a lot

[junior latch]

you dont need thousands of hours yea

hel revo can easily kick in at a few hundred

[junior latch]

which gun do you not need to do that?

[hasty bobcat]

i wanna say sawed off but you'll clown on me so

[junior latch]

.

[hasty bobcat]

it's like

you can get a lot of value from hel revo

[junior latch]

hel revo even works better with bodyshot aim than other weapons

since it has pen

its genuinely easier to get good value with it than with most mains

[hasty bobcat]

and like

[junior latch]

ray even made a reddit comment about this recently

[hasty bobcat]

even if u take into account other weapons being at the same level as hel revo for example

I feel like it's less effort

[pure belfry]

I can't remember exactly which run it was I watched but I distinctly recall a squad at the Class I Large Sustain Surge in R4E1 chuckling about how ridiculous the hel revo was, they were all using it

[junior latch]

theres no weapon thats on hel revo level aside from hel shotty

sawed off is above

everything else below

[hasty bobcat]

i know

[unreal crystal]

I say this because it’s obviously hel revo, the gun massively outclasses anything else which is why it’s considered very good

[hasty bobcat]

I said as example if weapons were buffed to be competetive to top 3 main

[junior latch]

hel revo without pen

is still an A tier main

its like dmr-ish

just think about that

[unreal crystal]

wdym

[hasty bobcat]

dmr

is not A tier main tho

[junior latch]

it is

lol

[mystic moss]

erm dtr is good too...

[hasty bobcat]

it's like

[junior latch]

dmr is good

[hasty bobcat]

u have an auto which is overtuned to be like hel revo

value wise

[unreal crystal]

that’s a completely different scenario then

[burnt flume]

DMR is great, carries me in my r8a1s

[junior latch]

so you are talking in hypotheticals

hell even in modded rundowns full autos when buffed HARD are typically worse to play than hel revo, hence hel revo being nerfed

[burnt flume]

if the choice is between no pen hel rev and DMR, I'd probably use DMR half the time instead of only when i don't feel like playing hel revo

[junior latch]

yea

[burnt flume]

or slot DTR but that's besides the point

Hel rev is ridiculously good

[junior latch]

dmr is slightly better than no pen hel revo

[hasty bobcat]

team i've never said

[burnt flume]

all you need to do is play 1 wave of r1c1 solo to see that

[hasty bobcat]

that it's bad

I just don't find it as great as everyone says

[junior latch]

dmr is litteraly 4th to 5th best main unless you hardcore value hel auto pistol

[hasty bobcat]

cuz you can call me being spoiled by sawed off and stuff

[junior latch]

its a tier below hel revo and co

[hasty bobcat]

and I agree

[unreal crystal]

ok but you haven’t really given a reason why, you’ve just said “if an auto weapon was buffed to be as good as hel revo, hel revo wouldn’t be that great”

[burnt flume]

maaaan i need to get dinner but all i have is stuff to make a lame ass fuckin sandwich

[hasty bobcat]

it's like

[unreal crystal]

which 1 is just a hypothetical and 2 that reasoning doesn’t even make a ton of sense

they’d be equal more or less

[hasty bobcat]

it's easier to reach max value from auto

instead of hel revo

[unreal crystal]

I disagree tbh

[burnt flume]

ciabatta

[junior latch]

no?

thats just wrong

[unreal crystal]

I think it’s easier to get max value out of semi autos

[junior latch]

you are more likely to miss shots

you are more likely to overshoot

[burnt flume]

semi auto is easier to get value out of because its easier to place every shot

[hasty bobcat]

team is it that hard to like hold left click into an enemy

[junior latch]

theres a reason tru has main weapons on insane theoretical efficencies. (because you never reach that shit)

[hasty bobcat]

and like if u play it enough to count damage

[burnt flume]

and (almost) every shot staggers so you have an arguably greater degree of forgiveness

[junior latch]

so you are putting out a lot less value by doing so

again

hel revo legit benefits more from bodyshots than any other non shotgun main

(well and hel auto pistol but that gun doesnt care)

[hasty bobcat]

mb should've played on client and shot full auto into all the heads

[junior latch]

but then you need better aim than hel revo still

[unreal crystal]

That is not what’s being argued either

[junior latch]

for similarish value at best
on an already heavily buffed auto

[ancient heart]

aim labs

[hasty bobcat]

team i'm lost

[junior latch]

yea

[hasty bobcat]

i forgor my point

[ancient heart]

I just got here

[junior latch]

you said hel revo isnt overtuned

(also that dmr isnt good)

or rather

that good

to be fair

[unreal crystal]

He said he doesn’t think hel revo is good or smth

[burnt flume]

great, you can take my place and argue my points, gl

[junior latch]

nono it started of me sayng hel revo is overtuned/too good

and sky said they dont feel like thats true

[hasty bobcat]

the only thing

i'd complain is max ammo prob

[junior latch]

on hel revo???

or dmr

[hasty bobcat]

yea

hel revo

[junior latch]

the fuck

[hasty bobcat]

it is too much

[junior latch]

oh

[hasty bobcat]

yea

[junior latch]

you mean too much

[hasty bobcat]

ye

[burnt flume]

lmao

[junior latch]

not too little

I mean, it has too much

for the value it provides

but like sky

holy shit

[hasty bobcat]

idk rest of the gun seems fine to me

[junior latch]

hel revo pen

nah

[carmine violet]

i think hel revolver from my cople hours of use its fine not overpowered

[hasty bobcat]

80 max would make sense

[junior latch]

you have a super skewed sense of balance then

[hasty bobcat]

and less per refill

[pure belfry]

I'm in the camp of Hel revo being slightly overtuned, but it's not as busted as sawed off

[burnt flume]

please play r1c1 solo and use hel rev and see how strong it is

[junior latch]

if hel revo = balanced

then your sense of balance is skewed upwards

[hasty bobcat]

i mean

it's not about hel revo being balanced

it's about all the other guns being dog

[junior latch]

other guns are noticeably weaker

the point is

[carmine violet]

really?

[junior latch]

burst rifle-ish

is where stuff is balanced

[carmine violet]

i though you needed head shots

[hasty bobcat]

idk this game does not make sense anymore

maybe for the stuff i'm into rn everything feels unbalanced

[junior latch]

headshots are nice
but hel revo has pen

pen = busted
hel revo is one of the best gun to go for bodyshots since youll easily get penetrating shots with it at the same time

[carmine violet]

i know pen=busted remember my opinon is with bots and 2 of then have slow weapons

[pure belfry]

you definitely don't always need headshots on hel revo, does fine with bodyshots against waves

[hasty bobcat]

mb team

I had some point but then I like lost it

so

my apolocheese

[junior latch]

the biggest "downside"

that hel revo has

[hasty bobcat]

[junior latch]

is its "small" mag and slow reload

[hasty bobcat]

naaa

[junior latch]

but then it also has a crazy reload cancel

[hasty bobcat]

it's good

[junior latch]

which kinda makes both not rly a thing

[carmine violet]

so i think only one shot is good like hel rifle

[junior latch]

hel rifle is a special weapon

not a main

[carmine violet]

i know i just use carbine mainly

[hasty bobcat]

kenny is this you

[carmine violet]

no i just like the weapon

[hasty bobcat]

aight

[carmine violet]

i dont know why i like it so much but its feels powerful and fun and thats all i really want

rain world yippee

i have about 600h

i love it

i have done some score running

[carmine violet]

40k msc hunter

yeah

[junior latch]

gotta grind your gtfo hours

hit 1k before end of the year

[carmine violet]

if i can get keyboard working for me

maybe

my pc stuggles to run this game am lowering to the lowest settings come on pc you got this

[inner turret]

took me about 300 to complete the game
unsure whether i want to keep replaying levels
maybe will look into modded rundowns

for now i may go back to vermintide and helldivers
i hekin love my 4p coop horde games

[carmine violet]

i wish i had things that were not bots and had looked up guides so 3 auto sentry and bio r1c1 with bots whold not have happened

[inner turret]

look at #how-to-matchmake

[hasty bobcat]

wait ure so right

[inner turret]

there r some nice people that frequent voice channels

[carmine violet]

well 70h into the game am switching from controller to keyboard

[junior latch]

hit 3k before end of the year

[junior latch]

yes
(modded, challenge runs (aka solo/duo, weird ones or speedrunning)

[carmine violet]

even though i dont really want to but i really should i dont want to bring down the team if i join/create one

[inner turret]

couple days ago i played with someone in vermintide that had 8k hours

like

wtf

thats like a full year

[hasty bobcat]

it's prob a quit mid summer angle

after we do duo gauntlet

[inner turret]

can look into other 4p coop horde games

theyr fun

vermintide is still the goat for me

[carmine violet]

my little sister is trying to say that the toilet thing is going to brake into our house what?

am just as confused

shes worryed about it

i dont understand

[burnt flume]

she got skibidi'd oh no

[carmine violet]

XD

[carmine violet]

NOOOOOOOOOO

i was forced to watch the first one never again

i never really looked at memes just picked up XD and bruh thats it

but cant help that anyway back to learning keyboard

whats a good level to do this on

learn keyboard because stealth is not enough and i dont thing my skill on key board is good enough for r1c1 i most likly wold need another person

i notested but i can deal with lag but i dont want it

[hoary crescent]

@hollow coyoteFATASS

join

mb for calling you fat

wtf

get home

half an hour

im asleep

itsl ike

9pkm

[carmine violet]

in sawed off shot gun we trust

[hoary crescent]

im old

[hasty bobcat]

FATASS

join

[hoary crescent]

what the fuck am i joining

[carmine violet]

i have never used this before

[hoary crescent]

ur full

[hasty bobcat]

mb for calling you fat

wtf

[hoary crescent]

ur a twink

shutup

[hasty bobcat]

get pregnant

???

[carmine violet]

what

??

[hasty bobcat]

not the super fish...

[pure belfry]

the humble borkencellgeofix, memoryleakfix, gluefix, and enemyanimationfix

[hoary crescent]

ye sure like

[carmine violet]

i mean if hel revolver is busted i may as well try it

[hoary crescent]

you have friend

other than gtfo peoplewarren

no one's falling for that

[inner turret]

hel revo is busted yea

especially with a main dmg booster

[pure belfry]

godlander was spamming hel revo last night can confirm

[inner turret]

it goes hard

it falls off a little if u get surrounded

[carmine violet]

without one?

[inner turret]

it doesnt have much control

[carmine violet]

thats why i have issues with it bots suck

[inner turret]

but as long as things are mostly aligned u can destroy hordes

nah u just gotta learn how to lead enemies into a line

[carmine violet]

i have lost hour long runs to a bot getting stuck in a wall in a alarm and i know now you can kick them

but still

[inner turret]

if u hit a headshot,
with main dmg booster: one tap kill on smalls
without any boosters: two tap kill on smalls
and it has pierce

3 tap body if u dont hit the head

[carmine violet]

i will not be hitting head shot while learing keyboard

[inner turret]

even if u dont hit heads its got decent ammo econ

but add in headshots + piercing and it can go through the roof

[carmine violet]

yeah it 1%=one shot right

[inner turret]

o i think u need more for hel revo. thats DMR ur thinking of

but a muted booster can still get there

[carmine violet]

no i have 60 shots and 60%

no booster

[inner turret]

oh

i thought u meant dmg to one shot a striker

idk i never paid attention to how many ammo% is a shot

but i just know im not constantly running out of ammo

[carmine violet]

and also i just realised you dont use a and d to often i think witch gives me a horrible idea

i think

[inner turret]

oh no

u should definitely use AD

strafing allows you to dodge shooters with ease while firing back

[carmine violet]

this is me learning key board and also 70h of controller in this game and this is my first shooter not a great combo

yep and no game knowege r1c1 3 auto turrets and bio with 3 bots

went bady

[pure belfry]

what do you do for terminal commands if youre on controller

[carmine violet]

hibrid

like i have to press key board ctrl to crouch

am trying to learn keyboard for the first time this is also my first shooter

does not help

like how do you hold w and press 1 2 and 3

and i dont even know how i will do 4 and 5

oh index

wait no i think i get it

[pure belfry]

man that is extremely cursed

[carmine violet]

ring is 1

[mellow hedge]

wtf am I hearing

[carmine violet]

middile is 2 and 3 and index is 4 and 5

[hasty bobcat]

get to the cheese spot

[carmine violet]

am trying to learn keyboard its worse

then contoler so far

but its aparrently better

[mellow hedge]

This is why schools should have mandatory computer classes

[carmine violet]

they did

[mellow hedge]

Keyboard is always better

[carmine violet]

i think i know how to do the numbers

[pure belfry]

this game was definitely not made with controllers in mind... you would need like a weapon wheel of terminal commands to have the speed

[carmine violet]

press right bumber realy fast

it only goes up one at a time

my only regret is no game knolege untill today i thoght mines c fome where worthless i used 3 auto turrets and bio with 3 bots for r1c1

that was a interesting time it was not to bad to be fair

just a quick 40h

now i have knowledge and am learning keyboard right now

so 1 and 2 are ring finger and 3 4 and 5 are index finger is that correct

and 6 but thats a pain

i think i might have it

[inner turret]

foam mines are pretty hekin good

[pure belfry]

uh I never press the number keys while playing GTFO

[inner turret]

huhh

[pure belfry]

I should say, practically never

[inner turret]

ok i usually dont ever use anything past 5 on numbers

too far

id rather bind them to some other key

theres plenty of keys you can rebind

[pure belfry]

middle finger is W/S
ring finger is A/Q/Z
pointer is D/E/R/F/G/C/V
pinky is Shift/CTRL/Tab
thumb is spacebar

[inner turret]

if you have a programmable keyboard i heavily suggest changing capslock to something more useful

pinky can go all of the left row, tab/caps/shift/ctrl

[pure belfry]

yeah fair enough

[inner turret]

i changed my capslock key to behave as numpad enter

so i can bind separately in games, and while coding or something i also find it mroe convienient

thumb can also do alt/space

my left alt is flashlight

[pure belfry]

I also have mouse 4 and mouse 5 in addition to typical LMB RMB and MMB

[inner turret]

RT/FG/CV keys are all very reachable with index finger too

Q is not really used in default i think, despite being prime real estate

[pure belfry]

I really try not to bind with C V if I can help it

Q is a common shooter game weapon wheel/heal binding

[inner turret]

i mean in gtfo default bindings

oh its melee by default

[carmine violet]

i think useing a pack on myself and others and turrets shold all be on e thoughts

[pure belfry]

yeah

[ancient heart]

i open discord and see sky calling some one a fatass and then sky gets called twink

W gtfo

[hasty bobcat]

average

[naive rover]

True

[carmine violet]

wave 7 no bio traker 3 sniper turrets 3 bots not bad

i suck at bio

[ancient heart]

forgot to mention the get pregnant part

[carmine violet]

first time using key board went well

now give a bot bio and key board r1c1 might happen

[hasty bobcat]

if you know you know

[ancient heart]

right...

[carmine violet]

also the hel revolver reload makes my adhd happy so am keeping it

but hel rifle might need to change 2 pen wepons kind of redundent

also i cant aim it the charge is no wired for me

any ideas for a special weapon i should use instead?

[ancient heart]

why'd you add that -_-

i saw you ham

[young moss]

hel rifle doesn't need headshots

[carmine violet]

cant land the shots

[ancient heart]

aim labs

[carmine violet]

the charge is wired learning keyboard for the first time

i can land them fine on controller

but 70h on contoler in this game so that makes sence

i dont know what these things even do XD

hel rifle stays i guess

[lost lynx]

There's aim trainers

You can check them out

So you test the mouse in a more relaxed environment

Look up Aim Labs in Steam

[hoary crescent]

man

why are you all so fat

[hasty bobcat]

wtf

[carmine violet]

no

i can aim

just needed to try again

6 tool refills turrets had no ammo

unless the first zone of the level sounds like a good idea so i think i have got waves of enemys down but now just normal alarms

but that will be tommow

[shut vapor]

[inner turret]

nah hel rifle hel revo loadout is goated

u can hold nightmare waves solo for a good amount of time

[hasty bobcat]

what level?

[burnt flume]

telling someone new to the game that the loadout is good for holding enemies only found in like 6 levels isn't

well it doesn't accomplish much because they'll not be playing those levels for months

[inner turret]

im telling that loadout is very good

which is simply true

u can also clear charger waves easy

[gaunt nacelle]

if you know how to line enemies up its good

[light basalt]

guys do anyojne want to play with me

[rose nova]

dont use that example lol

[rose nova]

u caan probs find people in the lfg

[pure belfry]

The tile is too small

[rose nova]

me when inside a cube

[inner turret]

well the important thing is that u can hold the line alone while everyone else reloads i guess

[inner turret]

alrigh then how about this example #gtfo-media message

[lost lynx]

bullpup/sniper fire loadout

[ancient heart]

last time i did that i got called bad -_-

i was watching insta reels just now and had GTFO open on steam lookin at my achievements and i swear i could hear a strikers scream

i gotta play a dif game

[shut vapor]

They know...

[noble rose]

hel shawty

[snow hare]

chat chat chat

look wtf i found from my old clips

https://www.mediafire.com/file/m7lli1zejjs3qwe/GTFO_2024-06-13_17-16-50.mp4/file

lmao wtf was that ??!

https://tenor.com/view/spongegar-funny-blink-spongebob-gif-7390773

huh ??!!

[gaunt nacelle]

embed fail hehe

[snow hare]

xDD

well ppoop

the thing is that the clip is what is carzy about it

[young moss]

put it in #gtfo-media and it might work

[snow hare]

well poop

[scenic night]

noone is ever going to open a mediafire link

i am sorry to say

[inner turret]

yea when i play games like these i cant actually watch gameplay of the games i play

cos ill hear stuff and instinctively react

one time i was putting a vermintide vid in the background and playing minecraft, i kept hearing assassin noises and was looking around everywhere in my minecraft house paranoid

[noble rose]

freaky

[ancient heart]

yea man soon as i heard it i dropped my phone on my desk and swung my mouse to the left

i was playing elden ring, so all i saw were baby crabs

[brittle canyon]

I opened it

[carmine violet]

I realized and am ok at it I think hard to tell

[gaunt nacelle]

As long as majority is 2+ ur doing fine, most people aren’t gonna hit a ” I’m running out of ammo” barrier, there’s plenty in most levels

[carmine violet]

I can tell am learning key board for the first time after 70h on controller on this game it’s quite hard

[gaunt nacelle]

Controller might not be as bad as people make it out to be if you use a keyboard for terms (I think you said you did that?)

But yea keyboard and mouse is defo beyter

Might be harder to learn if one isn’t used to it

You’ll get the hang of it tho

[hoary wasp]

anyone down to play and help me lol

Im on R1C1

[gusty burrow]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[gaunt nacelle]

.t r1c1

[foggy plank]

Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"

a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand

the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.

when you start looting after the shooting, you have quite a lot of resources around you to spend as the code person runs out and runs back. and on longer warm up times for the later codes, you have enough time to run forward and loot in previous areas.

when giants spawn having someone with a good weapon for bigs like hel rifle is useful (especially for hybrids) as well as saving tool by only having 2 sentries down for most waves, saving it for later waves or the waves with Hybrids (4, 6, 8).

this is definitely a 3 sentry + 1 bio tracker level, and when you learn all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is in the game
Autosentry is in the game.

if you have a bot, they are a boss with the biotracker so give them that, and if you have three bots god go with you.

[hoary wasp]

Thank you lmao

I will play later today again, if anyone down lmk.

[gaunt nacelle]

In like two hours I’m down

[hoary crescent]

NO! ! !

[gaunt nacelle]

YES! ! !

[sharp owl]

I must be the reason why

[gaunt nacelle]

Actually nvm going bed

[stark idol]

Real

[rotund condor]

Been watching tons of youtube vids. i think i am ready for any E level

[lost lynx]

Nope

I can guarantee you

You are not

[rotund condor]

i am quite good, some say, the best beginner

[mellow sparrow]

You sound like Trump lmao

[lost lynx]

Hm

Are you perhaps the choosen one?

[mellow sparrow]

The green ninja…

[rotund condor]

yep, now I need new pants, backpacks, torsos, and colors

[rugged mesa]

Ninjago was a pretty good show

And way more sexist on a second watching

[lost lynx]

re-watching shows i used to see as a kid made me realise that they were a lot more "heavy" than i remember

💀

[mellow sparrow]

I might have to rewatch it then

[lost lynx]

[mellow sparrow]

what’s it looking at me like that for.

[stark idol]

Throw ‘em into R4E1 without a scattergun or burst cannon

Enjoy!

[mellow sparrow]

What’s with the burst cannon anyways

[rugged mesa]

It bursts

[mellow sparrow]

Oh like me.

[rugged mesa]

Vile

[lost lynx]

busts*

[mellow sparrow]

But I’m talking about what’s its role because it seems kinda weirdly slotted in my opinion.

[rugged mesa]

Big damage

[lost lynx]

big clear and a bit of smol clear

boss killer too

[mellow sparrow]

Ah that’s why.

Because it’s outclassed by the existence of the scattergun

[lost lynx]

not really

[mellow sparrow]

From my experience I would say but I haven’t used it extensively

[rugged mesa]

It’s a fun weapon

[mellow sparrow]

It seems fun, and that’s what counts

[lost lynx]

good for team killing

[mellow sparrow]

TRUE.

[rugged mesa]

Nothing beats the sawed off for that imo

[mellow sparrow]

Humble scattergun

[rugged mesa]

I find it hard to accidentally shoot teammates with it