gtfo-chat

[gaunt nacelle]

Patience

[mellow hedge]

Realistically you shouldn’t use spear as a crutch and just take hammer

[honest parrot]

Actually in you guys experience
Do pubs like using spear

[junior latch]

Spears general pickrate is quite high

[pseudo sedge]

Funnily enough not always: some speed is good because it genuinely makes the game less of a time commitment to play. This allows u to learn more since u are getting to harder parts faster.

[mellow hedge]

Also you want to not be slows stealthing in some levels

Like r4e1 reactor

[honest parrot]

Yeah
But most of the pubs around seem to enjoy hammer/knife more than spear in general imo

Or at least from my observations

[mellow hedge]

Beginner pubs use spear

People grow out of it

[gaunt nacelle]

(yea ik but still like you can clear majority of rooms with slow stealth)

[pseudo sedge]

I would say generally it is a good idea to know at least how to do a moderate speed stealth. Aka no crouching/very little crouching and still able to clear enemies in stealth.

[gaunt nacelle]

allow my crouch lol

[honest parrot]

Most pubs can sometimes do a little of that

Though some of them run on instinct

And fail miserably

[mellow hedge]

Can but it’s still worse

[gaunt nacelle]

[honest parrot]

Some might even be playing on controller

And have spirit bound to toggle

[pseudo sedge]

You can probably clear the entire game crouched slow stealth. (Maybe depends a little on what is considered slow stealth on some levels (r7e1, r8e2, r2e1) but that's about it

[honest parrot]

(also stick drift)

(Very fun for gtfo)

[gaunt nacelle]

its not bad id say, defo not ass

[gaunt nacelle]

i think code hunting levels shouldnt be slow stealth

[mellow hedge]

You should learn to stealth faster

[junior latch]

No

(Crouching is fine if done sparingly)

[gaunt nacelle]

i swear controller for GTFO would be trash lol

[honest parrot]

Not really?
If you get used to gyro aimming

It's actually pretty fine

[merry egret]

impossible for terminals lol

[honest parrot]

Nah it can work

[junior latch]

Controller movement is also worse

less snappy gameplay

[honest parrot]

Just needs... incredible binds

[gaunt nacelle]

me proceeds to wake up the funni resource room in R3C1(?)

[honest parrot]

Like really faqing stupid binds

[junior latch]

Youd basically be a low level average player at best

[junior latch]

1. why go there
2. dont go there
3. shoot it up (unironically)

[gaunt nacelle]

💀 yea i skipped R3 cuz i cba doing R3C1 with bots at my current level

[gaunt nacelle]

yea, if playing with people might not be that bad

[honest parrot]

As one of the few people who actually tried to play with controller,
messing with the binds is more frustrating than anything else tbh

But yeah
Whenever someone just starts out with controller on this game things usually turn bad real fast

[gaunt nacelle]

"where is this HSU?"

[honest parrot]

"Let me just ping it real quick..."

"Oh wait how do I bring up the steam input keyboard?"

[gaunt nacelle]

"how do i type"

[honest parrot]

"Did I bind it to my touchpad?"

"Let me see..."

[gaunt nacelle]

💀

[honest parrot]

"Oh never mind I have it on combo"

"It's START + R2"

[gaunt nacelle]

opens up steam cuz they cant remember it

[honest parrot]

(Cue accidentally discharging their firearm as they try to type on a console)

[gaunt nacelle]

wakes up room

[merry egret]

ded

[gaunt nacelle]

proceeds to die as steam keyboard thingy opens up and blocks movement

[honest parrot]

Usually by the time you actually get good on controller

You probs would've been much better on keyboard

Unless you're crazy and playing on a steam deck

(Sorry to the two pubs I've seen do that)

[gaunt nacelle]

i think you can LEARN how to use a keyboard and then get good at GTFO before being good with controller

[honest parrot]

The funniest thing is when you try setting up steam input
And the normal input method is just not very good

[merry egret]

yall ever see the controller companion app on steam?

[honest parrot]

wut

[gaunt nacelle]

ive used it when controlling pc from bed

[merry egret]

imagine trying to type with that monstrosity 💀

[gaunt nacelle]

💀

[merry egret]

dead before you even started

[naive rover]

I use to use spear until R4B2. I was the guy holding the constant alarm the whole time so I was forced out of spear mechanically.

[naive rover]

I grew up playing consoles most of my life and this was one of my first keyboard and mouse games. I can safely say that even back then when I was complete dog shit at mouse aiming that controller feels very weird/wrong in this game.

And I totally still play Halo and Helldivers 2 with controller on my PC. GTFO is just a keyboard game.

[gaunt nacelle]

(used*) (mb)

[pure belfry]

I did always wonder why it’s the spear with the movement penalty and not the sledgehammer

Spears are lightweight and hunting spears are even meant to be thrown as javelins or as lances, a sledgehammer is often several times heavier

[honest parrot]

Well I believe spear used to be very, very good

[pure belfry]

Lingering hitboxes era i bet

[honest parrot]

Sometime before R8 I think?
They changed a lot of things since then

[mellow hedge]

spear has always been shit

[honest parrot]

Really?

Didn't they like
Nerf it even more

[mellow hedge]

they buffed it in r8

and its still bad af

[pure belfry]

Do you think it’d be OP if no move penalty

[gaunt nacelle]

Yes

ATP it’s a long ranged knife no?

[brittle schooner]

no

[junior latch]

They buff nerfed it

Charge takes 0.1 sec longer now

[junior latch]

No
It still has a pretty bad dmg breakpoint for strikers, c-scouts, bbcs and the like

[mellow hedge]

na

id still use hammer

[junior latch]

It was good for about 1 or 2 patches in og rundown 6

[brittle schooner]

it still has terrible thresholds, and hammer would still be better, that said no move penalty would certainly be helpful

[junior latch]

Because it had a massively long lingering hitbox that allowed hitting multiple enemies

You could kill 7 enemies in 1 attack

that got fixed

And spear wasnt good ever after

[pure belfry]

Now that explains it

The most I think that can happen now is a sleeping double hit occasionally

[junior latch]

Spear likely suffers from the same issue bullpup, AR and sniper suffer from

[gaunt nacelle]

You can do that with hammer too

[junior latch]

being popular among players (especially new/„bad“ ones)

[junior latch]

Which all melees can do

[pure belfry]

yeah… sad spear times

It’s definitely popular on newer players who don’t like getting too close

[junior latch]

which is pretty funny

Cuz aside from giant strikers no enemy that you meet rly punishes getting close

and for those they

1. often still go into range anyway

2. hammer outranges them too

[gaunt nacelle]

scouts

[clever sorrel]

Not new to the game, but I'd like to complete the whole game from R1 to R8 if I can

[brittle schooner]

only spear (as meele) can kill scouts is almost as common as only sniper can kill scouts from my experience

big reason why newer players like spear i think

[junior latch]

Not knowing stats and breakpoints makes some things kinda unintuitive

[pure belfry]

That’s why we watch D4RKEVA video guides

I’ve shown the stealth vid to several folks who really needed it

[junior latch]

Always happy to hear that it helped people

Considering thats the sole reason I made it

[honest parrot]

Solo or with pubs?

[clever sorrel]

Im quite sane, so with a group

[honest parrot]

Well good luck then

[pure belfry]

Long range aggro is the absolute most common catch for newer players

[boreal yew]

Spear was good in only one patch when you can wiggle your mouse then a mother dies.

[pure belfry]

Man that makes me wish I’d known about GTFO during that era, that’s so funny

[gaunt nacelle]

Does someone have a clip of this?

[boreal yew]

Likely a clip in somewhere of gtfo-media, good luck finding it

[junior latch]

This shouldnt have actually worked btw

Since you could hit every enemy only once

[pure belfry]

Did a tumor count as a different enemy in this instance maybe?

[junior latch]

it doesnt in the case for pen either

but in the case for mom
Thats legit 3 1/2 years ago so I might not remember whether that was or wasnt a thing correctly

og r6 was funny

Scatter with 192 dmg also had „pen“ (that luckily didnt work“ and a higher ammo cap

[honest parrot]

man i wish i was around then

[junior latch]

well eh

We had orientation bug (horrible) and right after sniper melee

2 bugs that made the game ROUGH to play

there was also a time in r6 extension where flyers did double dmg

Made r6cx funny

[pure belfry]

One of the main groups I play with despises R6CX, but I love that level

Double flyer damage would be really nasty though

That sequence is already intense enough once the big flyers start spawning in, and I believe if you go top uplink, middle uplink, then bottom, without the StairsFix the ground sleepers all get bugged pathing getting stuck below you and then flood the path to 3rd uplink

[gaunt nacelle]

Orientation bug?

[boreal yew]

A bug that you can't back hit an enemy if the enemy is facing 2 specific directions

[near stag]

Ngl i Wish they kept it in and Just renamed and remodeled the spear to be a Hallebarde

[junior latch]

made charger scout kills basically a gamble unless you had scatter

same for charger melee kills being safe 1 shots or not

[boreal yew]

Made no one wants to melee
BBC

[gaunt nacelle]

Oh

[gaunt nacelle]

Fair enough ig

[junior latch]

Probably the 2nd worst globally applicable bug this game ever had

followed right after by the worst one

[gaunt nacelle]

Rn to kill charger scouts is it back lower head?

[boreal yew]

Just back with 2 people

[junior latch]

what

[junior latch]

Hammer can back and anywhere

[pure belfry]

wow orientation bug sounds like a nightmare

[gusty burrow]

Hammer can't do this: https://youtu.be/j-I8ILiSYVk

[gaunt nacelle]

Bacisly can you one tap a charger scout right now with a back to the head hit

[pure belfry]

Charger lineage as a whole has no occiput I believe it’s just their back

[junior latch]

With melee (hammer cuz others suck) its 1 full back hit + anywhere

An iix anywhere

A 30 dmg weapon full back dmg
Sniper most of back dmg

Scatter/bc anywhere

Choke/sawed off spammed from front

[junior latch]

I know which video that is

I had it in my recommended again a while ago xD

[gaunt nacelle]

So you can’t do charger scouts alone without foam or a gun

[junior latch]

iix

[pure belfry]

When I started GTFO before I knew about wiki I thought that Chargers had the same body armor as Tanks and Mothers do from the front on their heads and shoulders lol

[junior latch]

(Or boosters )

[gaunt nacelle]

Why spear da goat (joooooking)

[gaunt nacelle]

Oh yea rite

[mellow hedge]

Im not

[junior latch]

Hey if you break down which melee is the best vs what

Then spear is likely 2nd place

[honest parrot]

I mean spear is the best when you have to melee tank

[near stag]

I think i have Seen some Clips of Cscouts stumbling for Long Time after a limb Break, but i dont think it gives enough time to Charge another hit

[mellow hedge]

and megamom

[honest parrot]

God not the megamom

[mellow hedge]

and kraken

[near stag]

It makes melee BBCs much easier ig

[analog flicker]

Last time I pubbed. I was hearing "knife and Spear are the best"

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea don’t think you could get another hit in but maybe switch to gun to be ammo efficient

[honest parrot]

would the bubbles even register melee damage if you fly out there and melee it

[mellow hedge]

we have killed kraken melee only

[near stag]

Why wouldnt it

[honest parrot]

nice

[gaunt nacelle]

Funi icl

[honest parrot]

idk gtfo spagetti code

[gaunt nacelle]

Wasn’t that kraken kill with spears?

[mellow hedge]

yea

[gaunt nacelle]

See spears goated

[analog flicker]

Have yall 4 speared Nightmare Scout?

[junior latch]

Baby: depends. Bat/knife prob
Striker: hammer/knife
shooter: knife
Charger: hammer
Big striker: hammer (spear)
Chicken: spear
Hybrid: spear
Scout: hammer
Shadow: hammer
Shadow giant: hammer
Charger scout: hammer
Giant charger: hammer
Nightmare: hammer (spear)
Nightmare shooter: hammer (spear)
Nightmare baby: knife
Flyer: spear (hammer)
Big flyer: (all suck, spear least bad)
Kraken: spear
Mom: bat (spear)
Tank: spear
Pmom: knife
Mega mom: spear
Potato: hammer
Zoomer scout: anything but knife tbh (might be spear)
Shadow scout: hammer
Nightmare scout: (lol) spear (stealth) bat (active)
Pablo: none

Hammer: 12 (+1)
spear: 9 (+4)
bat: 3
knife: 5

[gaunt nacelle]

Goated spear moment

Have that knife and bat users

[junior latch]

https://youtu.be/KxfozBtUS6Y?si=VwZGlWkMTc8W2e3C

[honest parrot]

Oh it's that bug

Neat

[near stag]

Yk only now have i realised that nightmares have a limb health above their normal health value

Maybe they were nerfed during development

43 health nightmares would be such a pain

[burnt flume]

or maybe that's so the tumour persists until death

that would make sense

rather than having a nigh unstaggerable enemy whose frontal crit spot is gone

[gusty burrow]

Hard disagree on shadow giant and big charger, spear is very good for those, unironically matchups where range is a very big deal. (Also IMO spear is slightly better than hammer vs giants but there's a lot of nuance there)

[near stag]

Sounds about right, Just weird that the value is above and Not the same

[junior latch]

Big charger: agree to disagree. Hammer has better breakpoints here and actually has chances to soft stagger to help if a limb break fails. You can also follow the bbc easier in their animation.

Spear rly only has the range, but god. Bbcs are fast if they want to be

Shadow giants: if you rly take your time for the occi, sure. Otherwise clobbering with hammers is braindead and requires less skill and setup

For giants: yea. I value the speed/mobility of hammer more here personally. Especially since 1 spear + 3 hammers is better than say 3 spears and 1 hammer

(To say the obvious tho, the list above was hastily written up)

[gaunt nacelle]

As a human u need to be 100% perfect and make no mistakes

[mellow hedge]

from behind like half

[burnt flume]

It's closer to 2/3rds

[junior latch]

2/3rds for 7,5 base dmg?

ah well „closer“

could be anything between 58% and up

fair

[burnt flume]

i've always tried to have more than half charge because bad things have happened when i went in with only half charge

[gusty burrow]

64.2%, but you can charge to 75% fairly easily during a hard stagger

[burnt flume]

also @junior latch if you're taking me for runs today lmk so i can be ready

[gusty burrow]

Ye, 89% for front

[junior latch]

Idea would be evening

Since im in uni until like 5

[graceful geode]

tru since you're here I want to ask something you very probably know

[raw shard]

what are you guys running

[sacred briar]

pablo: hug

[gusty burrow]

What's up?

[graceful geode]

The way the game calculates back multi is mostly client-sided, right? Because one thing I noticed is that even when I've a certain lag (noticeable by opening doors or by how fast I get hit from a striker) the back always applies correctly.

[gusty burrow]

Ye. 100% client-side

[graceful geode]

Thanks

[burnt flume]

#gtfo-chat message i don't think anything has been decided yet (not even if I'll be joining for runs), but this convo lists some of the levels

[raw shard]

R5D1 speedruns sounds awful, count me in if you need 1

[burnt flume]

finally, a full eu speedrun team

[junior latch]

We just did R4C3 yesterday

[burnt flume]

let's erase frosty from the annals of gtfo history

[junior latch]

if that level wasnt somewhat rng impacted (and didnt have a fucking spitter audio bug issue) it would be a great speed lvl

[raw shard]

I honestly would like to join more speedrun stuff tbh

[burnt flume]

seems more dynamic/fun than a lot of levels

get to deal with some fucked up stuff

[junior latch]

R4C3 or R5D1?

[burnt flume]

R5D1

[junior latch]

R5D1 is likely rough

But theres a lot of time that can be safed for sure

It will likely just be routing and seeing how hard it can be pushed at first

[burnt flume]

R4C3 high only seemed pretty boring

[raw shard]

Depends if you're doing D1 100% or any%

[junior latch]

Nobody will run 100% of that

Urgh

[raw shard]

[burnt flume]

honestly, i think that'd be a lot of fun because you're great to be around

[junior latch]

r4c3 main is actually pretty fun. Hub zone entrance is a quick chaotic moment

not super special
But it being sub 10 min is cool

[burnt flume]

it'd probably be more interesting if you forced 4 player extract

because then it gets chaotic and funny

[raw shard]

I wish more levels had team extracts

[junior latch]

@raw shard general goal (for me especially) rn is to get the total composite time of any% runs to be under 17 hours

The levels goat send are all ones that have/had massive time to be gained for sure

[pseudo sedge]

you mean if all people would be forced to wait on extract?

[raw shard]

That's where team scans make sense

[raw shard]

I'd be down to join for stuff for sure

[junior latch]

For basic game it would be rough but can be interesting

In speeds it sucks

[raw shard]

Less teams scans on doors, more team scans on extracts

[junior latch]

Brandon gonna join and see the lobby on r1a1

[burnt flume]

this is asking for 84 stab wounds

[raw shard]

Please don't subject me to that

[hasty bobcat]

what's going on

[junior latch]

One for each gtfo level huh

[junior latch]

Turn on a movie

And chill

[pseudo sedge]

I think for r4c3 it wouldn't even make much of a difference if extract was team scan... For example in our record aside from more ammo it is basically the same

[burnt flume]

minus each one you don't have wr on

[junior latch]

so like… 13?

14?

idk honestly

[burnt flume]

beats me

[junior latch]

actually no

[burnt flume]

gonna go shower (again)

[raw shard]

If the drop sequence didn't take like 2 minutes I would be fine grinding something small like R1A1

[junior latch]

i had 69% of the records

not 69 records

[junior latch]

(Reminder that we reset after 5 seconds in r1a1)

in drop

cuz fuck that levels rng

[raw shard]

Purely because the drop sequence takes so long it's just so ass

[junior latch]

1/9000 for wr seed

and r1a1 drop is actually quite shrt

can be like 30 seconds

[raw shard]

It's long enough for it to not feel worth it

[junior latch]

but we wont run that for normal sessions anyhow

its rly just a grind for seed thing

[raw shard]

[junior latch]

if I add semi prio runs it looks smth like this:

R2B3
R2C1
R2C2
R2D2
R3B1
R3C1
R4B3
R4E1
R5B3
R5C1
R5D1
R6D1
R7B2
R7C3
R7D2
R8B3
R8C2

[raw shard]

Honestly R5C1 sounds kinda fun

[junior latch]

And then theres a few 100% runs that are on the non high prio list too like
R5A2PE
R6C2sec

[junior latch]

We dont have the maps for it for now tho

[raw shard]

Just run it w/o, can't be that bad right

[junior latch]

25% gamble on uplinks
Then you also need cell in your uplink zone

[raw shard]

someone surely has time to query that while the stealth scans are being done, it's obviously not peak efficiency but I can't see you losing that much time

[sacred briar]

r6d1 reactor/fog skip?

[junior latch]

And cycle skip

[raw shard]

Hotboxing moment

[junior latch]

it does add up
plus spending like 3 minutes just to reset would… not be that fun

[pseudo sedge]

tbf making terminal maps is pretty free

[junior latch]

highest likelyhood for todays evening are:
R2D2 (sub 35 aim)
R5B3
R5D1 (testruns)

[pseudo sedge]

the cell map is a little more annoying but i think we could pull it off without it

[sacred briar]

wdym by map

like just png

[junior latch]

Speedrunning uses logs to find spawn locations of important key items/objectives

weve got maps for like 90% of those at this point

[junior latch]

Ya

[hasty bobcat]

how do u even do mapping

do u just reset forever and check boxes

cuz it sounds miserable

[raw shard]

there are markers for boxes

[sacred briar]

oh like you watch the console to see where things spawn?

[raw shard]

no it's an external script

[junior latch]

no?

[junior latch]

Thats how it started

Theres ways to spawn all things at once for say keys and cells now

[hasty bobcat]

ohhhhhh

how do u tell that they are a specific id tho

or can u spawn them like once at a time

[junior latch]

theres scripts like tgbs logger that automatically read the log file

But for a few things (and people like me who just do it this way anyway) you need to read it manually

[pseudo sedge]

I think as of now the only thing that the logger tool doesn't track is generators

[junior latch]

The game has a log file that updates in realtime which has certain pieces of info we use

[sacred briar]

ohh

[mellow hedge]

Each box spawn has a specific ID and we map those ID's

and then the logs say which box ID they key is in

[raw shard]

I thought that's what we were talking about my bad

[honest parrot]

I'm curious, is there anything the logs don't track?

[burnt flume]

@junior latch if i was going to map r5c1 what would i be looking for? looks like each zone only has 1 term so it's cells only yea?

[pseudo sedge]

cell spawns

[honest parrot]

That's an awfully strange thing to not keep track of
Just cell spawns?

[mellow hedge]

big pickupable

not just cells

[honest parrot]

ok

[mellow hedge]

also stuff like hsu and terms and stuff only says the area

not the exact location

[burnt flume]

huh strange the logs are being funny to me

uplink term in 117, it states terminal spawned in 116

i had the same terminal spawn in a previous load in and it said 117

strange

[junior latch]

Youd look for the area: of the terminal (works the same as hsus)

Then put that on a map for the room

And well, cell spawns (but that needs you to find all cell spawn locations and put them on a map (this is just for knowledge sake, not to be checked with logs)

[burnt flume]

aside from extreme, every zone is 1 term it seems

so knowing the area isn't as helpful but i'm still collecting it

[mellow hedge]

yeah every zone has a static term

idk how to spawn all cells but kenny does

[burnt flume]

same here

[rose nova]

guys i think the word 🍇 is banned or why is it not lettin me post that i wanna go for 🍇 juice

im trying to post a poll dammit

[burnt flume]

is it

are you not able to have

damn

you really can't

[graceful geode]

What was that game where "white man" was censored

[gaunt nacelle]

bruh you really cant eat some berries

[rose nova]

:[ my boing de uva

is forbidden

i wanted to post a poll asking if i should go for uva juice or chocolate milk

but there wasnt chocolate milk so im sad now

[graceful geode]

juice is perhaps healthier

[rose nova]

i meannn yeah but i had juice for a bit now too

i kinda wanted that sweetness i do not tend to have choccy milk very often

[rose nova]

how the fuck do u even think of an error of tanks when tanks were just introduced in r4

evil

[slender flare]

CHAT

WE DID IT

WE DID IT

[fringe garden]

cool congrats

(you made it significantly more difficult than it had to be)

[slender flare]

Wdym

the killing mothers wasn't actually hard

[fringe garden]

not role splitting reactor, playing mg

[slender flare]

I love my baby

Plus I don't trust myself while holding

[fringe garden]

oh you had boosters and such

[rose nova]

gamin :D

[fringe garden]

checks out

[burnt flume]

demented clear ngl

[slender flare]

I only had meele dmg

That's all

And some infection res

[pseudo sedge]

Mg with killing moms is considerably easier as a duo tho no?

[slender flare]

No gun damage booster

[final coyote]

anyone doing R2E1?

[slender flare]

It was so intense though i have to say

[fringe garden]

ye but what did partner have

[slender flare]

i was killing the babies, holding the wave

[slender flare]

only muted booster

[rose nova]

if people can beat e2 with an mg u can beat r4e1 with an mg

[slender flare]

for main damage to oneshot with dmr

[pseudo sedge]

ok that's kinda vile

[slender flare]

I know what i have to do

[fringe garden]

ok that's where the ammo comes from

[pseudo sedge]

wat

[slender flare]

??

[pseudo sedge]

there's so much ammo in r4e1

[burnt flume]

there's plenty of ammo anyway

[slender flare]

Yeah

[fringe garden]

error section ammo in duos is kinda tight in my experience

[pseudo sedge]

one shot dmr does not improve ammo, it's just 14 kills per mag

[slender flare]

we had like a ton of ammo anyway in the secondary

[pseudo sedge]

nah

duo speedrun maybe

normal duo it is free

since u can grab ammos

[slender flare]

I mean we did the main in like 20 minutes

[pseudo sedge]

scatter doesn't even matter

[slender flare]

this was our 50th try so

[burnt flume]

eh i was playing with sky (sawed off/hel gun, hel rev/burst cannon) and we were plenty on ammo, a tiny bit tight at parts but it is fine by all means

[slender flare]

we did get a hang of main but secondary was an issue

[fringe garden]

when i was running duo speeds with ray we had to get every ammo (save for 2use in starting zone and maybe 2use in surge zone) to not just die

[slender flare]

I mean we got every ammo

in main

[pseudo sedge]

ahhhh... that's... weird....

[slender flare]

We definietly had no issue from secondary onwards

[burnt flume]

i guess i could ask beth and hani about their experience with ammo in the speeds

[pseudo sedge]

when i did duo speeds with yourmomgosky we were pretty chill as long as we got 6 uses of ammo

tight but it was playable

granted we did go a little slower from beth&hani

[fringe garden]

were you hitting every one cycle

[slender flare]

Here we were grabbing all ammo and stuff from main

but still did it

starting from secondary we really didn't have to

because you know, reactor ammo

[burnt flume]

looks like beth and hani skipped first zone ammo in their pb

[fringe garden]

ye that's about as much as you can get away with

[slender flare]

But still so happy we beat it even if in a cursed way

[fringe garden]

like i just do not believe you consistently managed, in duos, the entire error section with 6 uses of ammo

[pseudo sedge]

hel revo, hel gun for me, and i dont remember what sky had on main but secondary he had scattergun

for tools we had mine + bio

[slender flare]

For us it was managable, he just had to solo the tank and it was all fine

[burnt flume]

sky had pdw i think if it was like

10 months ago

[slender flare]

as long as we grabbed any ammo really

[burnt flume]

bad sky

our current sky (good sky) only plays sawed off

[pseudo sedge]

it was either pdw or hel revo

i really dont remember

[stiff trail]

It's ridiculous how much ammo I managed to save when use scattergun. I tried using Choke, and we kept running out of ammo nearing the surge.

[slender flare]

Yeah

[burnt flume]

yeah choke mod is a bad gun

[pseudo sedge]

i remember our biggest issue was tank kills since sky was also on like 7 fps

[burnt flume]

scattergun is an overpowered gun

there's a slight difference between the ammo of the 2

[slender flare]

he just really hated scatter

but then we took it anyway

[fringe garden]

do you have a recording of a run that does it

[pseudo sedge]

nope

[burnt flume]

so you're telling me

[pseudo sedge]

so in the first section we basically only used ammo for tank kill

[burnt flume]

you were killing

all 4 moms

with dmr choke mod and sawed off machinegun

[slender flare]

Yes.

[pseudo sedge]

in the 2nd section only I was shooting while sky was shooting to maybe balance and in 3rd alarm we were actually tight on ammo

[slender flare]

He did it solo too once

Somehow

[pseudo sedge]

but rooms were cleared mostly melee

tanks were pretty ok ammo wise, loosing hp was our issue

[slender flare]

@stiff trail what did you have when you went 1 v 4 mothers

[burnt flume]

deranged

[slender flare]

Choke?

We are absolutely crazy

Wait

He says he had scatter/helshotgun

My bad

but still

we kept getting the best results while killing mothers and going together

[burnt flume]

ah that's a much better loadout vs moms

[slender flare]

so we just went hell yeah let's do that

[pseudo sedge]

i was about to say it feels a little weird how u would be able to pull of choke mod mom killed clear and not normal duo r4e1 clear

[slender flare]

Yeah i misremembered

So many tries, it keeps getting mixed what guns we used

I think i had hel revo and hel gun then

I never held worse in my life

[burnt flume]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2287711748

[stiff trail]

That one time I was experimenting whether I could pull the mothers one by one. I pulled 2 moms each without alerting the room, had to sync with the defender about whether the wave make a scream or not, so the mother doesn't scream and wake the rest. The last 2 was close to each other, I just foam 1, scatter the non foamed and killed the last one

[slender flare]

Oh so that's how you did it

[mellow hedge]

its bc its used a lot in place of a word pertaining to an unconsensual crime

[slender flare]

yeah i remember you asking me about the screaming

I was holding in a cursed spot back then too

Goddam door

why does it keep breaking

[junior latch]

an extra 7,5 kills per refill is pretty big lol

"just 14" when thats more than the average special and litteraly double the mains efficiency is crazy good on ammo

(whether the ammo diff matters is smth else)

[pseudo sedge]

should have been more specific: in r4e1 secondary the ammo improvement from one shot dmr is not that big, even in the error portion. The massive advantage is the fact that u just kill so fast from borderline any range.

[mellow hedge]

im wondering

[pseudo sedge]

i remember doing r4e1 solo defense with dmr with booster and it was crazy

[slender flare]

i was defending the first 3 waves actually

[mellow hedge]

would it be quicker to do 2 in for duo speeds

[slender flare]

then we went duo wave 4 onwards

[pine root]

What is the booster

for the r4e1 duo

[slender flare]

Frenchman was mostly looking for codes while i was defending

Which one?

[pine root]

Both

[fringe garden]

idt so because it requires killing moms

[slender flare]

I had meele damage, and infection res

[fringe garden]

like the main advantage would be cell carry starting faster right

[slender flare]

Cholesterol had a bit of main damage

[mellow hedge]

it would make code 4 quicker right

[fringe garden]

but it won't be because you have to fight through waves

[mellow hedge]

yeah fair

[pine root]

Based boosters

[mellow hedge]

ig not faster

[slender flare]

we actually got code for wave 4 and just went to look for code 5 immadietly

[pine root]

No

and yes

[slender flare]

It was only 12% infection res

[pseudo sedge]

so first code the exact same, 2njd code the exact same, 3rd code no since u need to run back + kill moms so setup more annoying, 4th code is faster but not by much, 5th code would be faster, 6th no since run back

[slender flare]

So not much i took it as a meme

[mellow hedge]

yes cause clear faster no cause reactor enemites yeah

[pseudo sedge]

if this was glitched 2 in is faster, but glitchless probably not

[pine root]

No remember code 4 you want cell and code

Cell will be walking through reactor wave enemies

For best cell

[mellow hedge]

just game out

[pine root]

And you will miss the plug

[mellow hedge]

dont get hit

[slender flare]

I mean it sort of was, I was getting cover from cholesterol, had to sometimes drop to help kill a wave

[pine root]

for one cycle

Might as well just not

[mellow hedge]

but like rn cycle is a couple cycles slower right?

[fringe garden]

the missing plug probably doesn't matter

[mellow hedge]

also in an ideal world right

[pine root]

It doesn’t

[mellow hedge]

surely you can do code 6

and you plug while running out of reactor

[slender flare]

We actually forgot the password for out wave at some point and had to repeat a wave 2 times while we were thinking what the hell did we do wrong

[pine root]

But missing the plug on code 3 which is likely for 2 in

[mellow hedge]

like the most cooked strat ever

[pine root]

Or missing code 4 blood door

[mellow hedge]

but its still faster

[pine root]

You save zero time

remember where your player is

When blood door unlocks

At reactor

This is without even considering time Los on mom kill

[mellow hedge]

yeah true

like you run back and code 4 rooms are already clear

and with good rng you just sneak

and dont have to fight anything for cell

[pseudo sedge]

like you could maybe be faster with 2 in if u have all 4 moms right in front of door and u insta oneshot all of them

and even then it is a maybe

because realistically you probably die/loose too much time cause of how unstable reactor becomes

[mellow hedge]

all 4 moms in front of door

and they die in like 10 seconds lmao

[slender flare]

The closest we got to that was when we had two in front of the door and one downstairs

[mellow hedge]

cause if you have both go in you just play double scatter

[slender flare]

Safe to say we died

[fringe garden]

the actual timesave in the duo that hasn't been implemented is the double sawed off scatter

[slender flare]

Isn't host scatter kinda bad

[fringe garden]

still best gun in game

[pine root]

It’s fine

[slender flare]

Valid

[pseudo sedge]

what are tools currently for duo?

[fringe garden]

sentry bio

[slender flare]

Yeah we took that too

[pseudo sedge]

i wonder if mines is better than bio

[fringe garden]

no because it forces pr

[slender flare]

There's not that many doors to mine

[mellow hedge]

the only reason that would be slower theoretically is shadow zone

[slender flare]

Ones that the wave would go through for example

[mellow hedge]

it makes reactor and boos fight faster

[stiff trail]

How me and her did it each wave was

1. Just normal defend
2. Look for code and kill mother, we did not plug the code in to prevent door to next zone in mother room to open. Scatter 1 mom -> Me and Dymus foam 1 mom each -> Dymus kill baby -> clear the moms
3. We switch between each other to defend the wave for code, we defend inside the mother room
4. Lucky found explo mine, open the door and defend in room B. Bringing the cell is the most dangerous thing in this secondary imo
5. Open charger door, defend on the walkway inside 2nd code room
6. Carry a crap load of ammo, we saved 5 uses of ammo for that

[pseudo sedge]

error is easier also with mines

[slender flare]

Oh yeah step 2 i was also holdign the wave somehow

[fringe garden]

pr is not better than hel gun into bosses in terms of dps

[mellow hedge]

mine tank off

thats the strat

[fringe garden]

fair

i love the 40 minute run that dies because rng

[pseudo sedge]

PR literally has better firerate + more dmg into bosses

[mellow hedge]

btw isnt a big time save gambling 4 ammo in first zone so you can insta second alarm?

and then gambling 6 ammo lmaooooo

[fringe garden]

doesn't matter because tank/pmom still dies if you magdump all the guns in duo

[pseudo sedge]

one PR mag puts 500 dmg into tank

[mellow hedge]

@slender flare https://youtu.be/MeaVA8tEzWo

[fringe garden]

yeah and?

[mellow hedge]

guys

you mine tank

[burnt flume]

spreadsheet warriors...

[mellow hedge]

if you dont mine tank you dont take mines

[pseudo sedge]

hel gun is 351 dmg, PR is literally better at boss dps than hel gun

[fossil horizon]

If only they didn't nerf pr mag we could just one mag mothers, ahhh

[pseudo sedge]

if u reload then the story changes

but u have 1 scatter

[slender flare]

i'll check it out later, wait is it like R8E2 but you do all of the scans

[pseudo sedge]

so u at most have to do about 200 dmg to a tank indeed

[slender flare]

in the level

or something

[fringe garden]

you magdump hel gun faster than you magdump pr

[burnt flume]

yes and either way you're not killing tank before scatter reloads and shoots again

[fringe garden]

and you just need to shoot one mag to kill

[mellow hedge]

you dont skip the second class 6 alarm which is the hardest/most rng part of the level

[fringe garden]

so hel gun > pr here

[junior latch]

you cant say "hel gun has better dps into bosses than PR" and then ignore it right after

[pseudo sedge]

no, because hel gun does less damage PER bullet than PR

[mellow hedge]

you arent killing tank BEFORE MINES KILL IT

[pseudo sedge]

and PR has better firerate THAN hel gun

so in what world

does hel gun have more dps into a tank

[burnt flume]

yes frosty if you're mining final tank then you don't mind much

[mellow hedge]

guys you know what has good dps into tank

MINES

[pseudo sedge]

and PR also has 1 more bullet in the mag

[slender flare]

Never did that in R8E2, I suppose we could try to do it duo someday

we shall see

[burnt flume]

if you're not using mines than PR is not going to be a significant upgrade over hel gun

[mellow hedge]

i would recommend alarm skipping first then trying that

[slender flare]

The question is how lol

[slender flare]

Frenchman is asking which class 6

the pmom?

[mellow hedge]

yes

after reactor you pull that then instantly step into the first corrupted scan in first code room and itll disable the alarm

[slender flare]

I actually did both of class 6 when i first went to that level (tha was full team)

[slender flare]

Wait you can even do that

[mellow hedge]

you can also disable the nightmare surge if you want

[burnt flume]

and remember

even if you're running PR

you're still losing time in shadow zones

to not having bio

[fringe garden]

yes i made a wrong statement because in practice hel gun is just as fast, if not faster
call me crazy but you're not full autoing pr and actually hitting unlike hel gun which has manageable recoil

[slender flare]

Nah

[mellow hedge]

yeah its just like how much do you lose

i actually dont think you lose as much as you think

[slender flare]

@stiff trail didn't you do that once

[mellow hedge]

bc the rooms are so small

[slender flare]

with Pr

[burnt flume]

and are you playing for the high roll of all high rolls

[mellow hedge]

and you also have PR to see shit

[burnt flume]

or are you playing for the consistency strat high roll

[fringe garden]

i think the LRF tech kinda offsets bio

[mellow hedge]

rooms are pretty consistent

and the room that you could wake scouts you just mine behind you

[pseudo sedge]

the one reason why i see lack of bio being not viable is indeed shadow zone

[mellow hedge]

i dont think its that bad

[mellow hedge]

yeah this was the idea

scatter holds that

[fringe garden]

with mines for tank

[pseudo sedge]

but for bosskill i'd take PR, the only advantage of hel gun is pen in the 2nd alarm*

[mellow hedge]

but tru and I got super unlucky in reactor and never got to test

[fringe garden]

you also only need 1 cfoam trip

so the LRF isn't even giving up anything

[mellow hedge]

yeah

mannnnnn i wanna try that

[fringe garden]

fuck it do you wanna try that like right now

[mellow hedge]

maybe ill see if tru wants to run more

yeah sure

lemme just tell my gf

[fringe garden]

do you want to scatter or pr

[burnt flume]

but what if

speeds with eva and goat

what the fuck even is happening this evening

[mellow hedge]

scatter please lmao

no joke PR is my worst weapon

[pseudo sedge]

arent we runnign speeds in a bit>>?>

[mellow hedge]

also you probably dont wanna play on aussie host

[junior latch]

technically theres plans to speedruns yea

im just editing while people are chatting rn

[mellow hedge]

like an hour i think idk

[fringe garden]

i dont but you dont want to play on eu ping

[burnt flume]

frosty is used to it

[fringe garden]

so im offering pr in exchange for good ping

[mellow hedge]

i have played on it for over 2k hours

[burnt flume]

putting him on host is putting him out of his misery

[junior latch]

gotta get my analysis video done so Im not thinking about it tmrw

[mellow hedge]

also i like scatter more

[burnt flume]

or rather

it's putting him in a new and stressful situation

[junior latch]

thats litteraly what he does all the time

[pseudo sedge]

frosty will never escape the eu ping

[mellow hedge]

uplink levels

i cant wait

[pseudo sedge]

what if i dm savi to teach me his ways

[mellow hedge]

tgb you dont type fast enough

[fringe garden]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1360297780609945820

[burnt flume]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[junior latch]

nah

no duo channel

we gotta spectate

ban this guy

[fringe garden]

fine

what channel

how many spectators

2?

3?

[junior latch]

general-03

[burnt flume]

uhhh neonate because eva says something about frosty being a child

[pseudo sedge]

18 spectators goes crazy

[junior latch]

already has people in it

[burnt flume]

wait fuck someone's already in there

[fringe garden]

hsu it is

[junior latch]

@pseudo sedge

[pseudo sedge]

?

[hasty bobcat]

those r4e1 speedrunners in my lobby

unacceptable

[torpid otter]

any german here?

[honest parrot]

@junior latch Are you german?
I genuinely forgot

[burnt flume]

nah he's belgian

[unreal crystal]

he’s French

[burnt flume]

no no no

he's belgian so he gets confused for german and french

[junior latch]

yes

[wraith marsh]

Scatter with lrf does kinda just solo shadow zone

That is correct

Pr best scout killer as well

[mellow hedge]

i genuinely think that shadow zone is slightly slower

rooms are small so its like ur gonna see the shadow giants and shit

[wraith marsh]

Slower in what way

With what

[fringe garden]

i still think the actual timesave is in playing double scatter

[wraith marsh]

Yea prolly

I don't believe in mines

[fringe garden]

the mines are good for what

blood door
error
tank kill at end

if you force LRF the blood door gain is irrelevant

(since you can just take ctrip)

error you can always clear anyways

tank kill at end is better with mines but double scatter still obliterates it and is better into pmom

[wraith marsh]

You can do ctrip strats with double scatter yea

So mines is not better

[fringe garden]

you do ctrip strats regardless of weapons

it's just that scatter offsets the loss from not instant tank pretty easily

[wraith marsh]

No like

The 4man strat works

You can go in

[fringe garden]

that seems VERY unstable but maybe you're right

[unreal crystal]

You could without double scatter tho

[fringe garden]

can host + client scatter really delete pmom fast enough

well the answer is yes

[wraith marsh]

Correct

[fringe garden]

sawed off x2 + hel gun/rifle + client scatter all magdumped kills pmom

[wraith marsh]

It's way less scary on double scatter

[unreal crystal]

it changes how I play it tho

yea

[unreal crystal]

U focus tank first tbh

[wraith marsh]

You always reload scatter too

More dps

[unreal crystal]

at least that was the idea with hel gun

but double scatter pmom might be better

Hard to say

[fringe garden]

double scatter tank is more consistent probably

it has less health so you kill easier

[wraith marsh]

If only I could host shit

[unreal crystal]

Should’ve gotten better Internet

[delicate scarab]

hi guys im kinda new to this game im strugeling a bit on r1c1 can somebody help me and my friend out ?:D

[fringe garden]

if no one takes you up i can jump in in maybe 20 minutes

[slender flare]

#how-to-matchmake you can try this out

No way this time mods won't take it from me

my 50 dollars

[shut vapor]

I'm going to gamescom confirmed!!

[mellow hedge]

probably

[shut vapor]

Haters beware 😎

[hearty lily]

Ok im doin pressure right

What in gods name am i looking at

[slender flare]

R4C1?

[hearty lily]

r3b2

[rose nova]

the funny

[slender flare]

Oh mommy

[hearty lily]

Do i smack it with me mallet

[slender flare]

Just give her a gentle pat

[slender flare]

Find out

:)

[rose nova]

fuck around n find out

[hearty lily]

Lord i know this thing aint gonna die in one hit

[slender flare]

Yup it won't

[rose nova]

ermm skill issue?

[fringe garden]

not enough melee dmg booster clearly

[slender flare]

Yeah

skill issue

[hearty lily]

Ah of course a bloody door in the same room

[rose nova]

:D

[hearty lily]

Hmm

Gonna scatter gun it maybe and then fuck it we ball

Its gonna spawn mfs aint it

[slender flare]

it's a mommy after all

but where are the kids

[hearty lily]

Im gonna assume in this nasty ahh goop

Wheres this things crit spot, i saw its literal face its that it

[slender flare]

You can only shoot the blobs

there is no crit spot as far as i'm aware

[rose nova]

the "fuck around and find out" turned into "ok ill tell u" real fast

[slender flare]

I'm sorry i'm just too excited to tak about the enemies 😭

[hearty lily]

Im gonna shoot it

[slender flare]

am i doign a bad job

[hearty lily]

Ill update after i die or survive

[rose nova]

i mean no but part of the fun is dying

oops that ones not it

[slender flare]

I mean yeah

[hearty lily]

Oh its dead

[slender flare]

but it also depends when really

[rose nova]

see

[slender flare]

You know i wonder would R4E1 funni error be possible if it spawned a mom

instead of the usual

[hearty lily]

It scrum

[slender flare]

go get it

beat the crap out of it

[hearty lily]

Aint there an achievement for killing it before it does that

Two scatter shots did it, and a bonk from bishop i think

[slender flare]

how do i say it

Yesn't?

You can read the achievemnt again

[hearty lily]

Wait is this an alarm bloody door

Aw hell

[hasty bobcat]

it'll be easier

much easier

[slender flare]

Really?

I imagine it would be worse

[hasty bobcat]

yeah

u just

scatter it??

[fringe garden]

naw

[slender flare]

I mean same with the usual

Just 3-4 scatter shots to the back

[fringe garden]

mom doesn't deal damage to you and also takes no ammo to kill

[hasty bobcat]

tank actually requires brain cells

[slender flare]

Valid

[hasty bobcat]

well

more like a door

but u get me

[hearty lily]

Jesse i need more tool refill jesse

Yo mr white i listed zone there aint none here

Theres a tank??

[hasty bobcat]

which level

[hearty lily]

Not talkin bout my level but u said tank

[hasty bobcat]

there's indeed a tank in r4e1 yes

[hearty lily]

Uh oh

[short ferry]

there are many...

[hearty lily]

Take the l4d route

[hasty bobcat]

there's infinite amount

plus one

[short ferry]

ive been banging my head against r4e1 with bots this morning.

managed to beat the tank error alarm once

[hasty bobcat]

u don't want to do that

reactor just cooks u

unless ur hanimoon

but ure not

[short ferry]

shshshsh

i can handle a four mother room trust

[slender flare]

Kill them

trust me you definietly won;t die

[honest parrot]

I mean you can sorta kinda live through it

Using forbidden techniques

[slender flare]

🤨

Hmmm

[hearty lily]

All done

Oh i got that achievement i was talking about too sick

Took me a bit, positive people can do it in half the time tho

Next, R3C1

"Alpha"

[slender flare]

Are you an alpha /j

[hearty lily]

Awooo

I think for rundown 4 I'ma only do the primarys and after the rundown or the entirety of the game, I go back and do all the side stuff?

[slender flare]

you can do all of the objectives in one go

As in main,secondary, overload

that's what prisoners efficiency is

You don't have to and can go only main but you can also do all 3 or 2

in one run

[hearty lily]

Oh ye i knows i just imagine it takes quite a bit of time

AH shite, i forgot about the achievement for r2e1

[final coyote]

Crimson you here

can't rejoin

anyone doing r2e1?

[mellow hedge]

na

[hasty bobcat]

na

[wraith marsh]

na

[gaunt nacelle]

na

[hoary crescent]

na

[honest parrot]

Normally I would, but my stomach is about to puke itself onto this very, very nice carpet

So no

or

na

[hasty bobcat]

na

[naive rover]

I can, from experience, say that bashing your face against PE for every level is kind of exhausting.

Also some levels on PE are insanely harder than others for like no reason at all.

[hearty lily]

And its just like, side objectives right?

[naive rover]

Yes but some of them are crazy. In levels that have Overload and Sec, usually the Secondary objective is pretty easy but it adds some weird modifier that changes the rest of the level. Overloads seem to have crazy long objectives with tough enemies or lots of enemies compared to normal.

From my experience so far in R4 and R5.

[hearty lily]

Maybe once im ready u can help me go back to em

[naive rover]

Most of the Mains in R4 are baby mode easy.

[hearty lily]

Assumin u dont die going through them heh

[naive rover]

True.

Yeah let me know sometime I guess. I’m always happy to play.

Do you have a group still or do you solo bots?

[hearty lily]

No group just been doin solo, ill matchmake if the levels real hard though

[naive rover]

Damn

[hearty lily]

My two friends that do have the game dont wanna play it really

Or as often as i am

[naive rover]

How much have you completed doing solo bots?

[hearty lily]

Couple levels here n there, current on r3 though

[naive rover]

You stuck on anything yet? Or making good progress?

[hearty lily]

Good progress so far, I'm getting to the lower levels of 3 though

Sure thems gonna give me some trouble

[naive rover]

I think Alpha is the only one that's kinda hard. Took my team 6 tries but honestly if you just move fast at the end it's probably easy sauce.

Pretty sure the vets love Bianhua. But it was also part of one of Lord Soy's speed competitions.

[fringe garden]

r3d1 was beloved before the comp and chosen for the comp specifically because of it pretty much

[naive rover]

That makes sense.

I was not sure how to word that.

[bold pivot]

Hey, is this game fun for a solo player? Like I wanna just jump into it

[silver spade]

no

[naive rover]

No it's insanely difficult and doing solo bots is playing an overly frustrated babysitter sim.

[silver spade]

Yup, please find a different game if you want a solo experience.

[sacred briar]

there are solo modded rundowns. but u kinda need to have experience playing the game, which means you have to play the game (with some other ppl)

“entry level job, 5 years experience” type situation

[silver spade]

L

[noble rose]

solo trials fr

I mean just play lfg and ignore ur teammates

👹👹

[silver spade]

So Rayalot?

R2C2 incident

[burnt flume]

to be honest

in pubs it's often the correct play

[silver spade]

You gotta be selfish

Sorry, but I don't wanna take 10 minutes to kill 5 enemies in 1 room.

I prefer the fast play style. I like stelf, but slow stealth is fucking boring.

[noble rose]

yea fr

[silver spade]

Slow stelf is a fucking skill issue handicap.

[noble rose]

i mean for beginners sure

[burnt flume]

very much so

[noble rose]

but for average players i agree

[burnt flume]

for beginners, slow stealth is having 3 enemies in the same room

[noble rose]

🤪 "i love crouching thru the entire level"

[silver spade]

[lost lynx]

I really don't understand some people

"Coop game"
Guys
Can i play solo

"is the solo experience fun?"
"Is solo good?"

[silver spade]

Yeah, get roasted.

[sacred briar]

it’s like asking if split fiction or it takes two solo is fun

[pure belfry]

Everybody starts somewhere, and this is game already has a reputation of being far too difficult/hardcore for the wider audience to even conceive a thought of touching it

Bots were not added to GTFO until Rundown 6, and their capabilities leave them very much so as an asset that can get you partway only in terms of full sector clears past a point, with precious few of the world’s best GTFO players in this very server managing to pull things off nothing short of world class gameplay

In summary: it was always meant as a co-op experience, with no downscaling in the amount or health of enemies. Bots were added later on, and solo has its limits to where only a few people can pull it off on the hardest missions

[sacred briar]

• “i don’t have friends, or they don’t have time to play.” or “i don’t want to pub.”
• “the ui is off putting.” or “i can’t/don’t want to commit time to learn the mechanics and story.”
• hardware or network issue, or other bugs
• “i got carried to r2e1.”

in my experience

[stark idol]

• “Game garbage because no sex mod”

[sacred briar]

that’s why i stopped playing tbh

[noble rose]

and no gambling

😔

[pure belfry]

random crit mod but the crits can have <1.0x multipliers

[trim sail]

"I'll do whatever i want. I"ll use carbine in every levels even though the level is full of nightmare enemies which are super resistance and can't be easily staggered."

[pure belfry]

"will I kill this Scout guys"

[silver spade]

Hey! Get back on Samdown.

[trim sail]

sheesh

gotta run

[silver spade]

😠

[trim sail]

i was not here

[mystic moss]

f1 clear when

[trim sail]

when i start using wemod

[analog flicker]

[burnt flume]

uhhh whenever you play it again

[trim sail]

and sam brings back scatter gun

[silver spade]

Was never in to begin with, nor will it ever be.

[trim sail]

no worries

i have mini scattergun

sawed off

💀

[trim sail]

wait

how do you know i was playing f1 ?

[mystic moss]

i stalk hani

[sacred briar]

carbine is still good against nightmares wdym

[trim sail]

good luck with spraying the entire mag just to stagger a nightmare

[stark idol]

“Man, I wish there was an utterly unplayable and horrible GTFO mod pack that just made me wanna die just by looking at it”
The scattergun-less Samdown:

[sacred briar]

i wonder how many samdown would drop a tier with the knife

[stark idol]

Bro wait what, you just changed your profile picture within like the last 5 minutes

But real

[sacred briar]

? have done nothing but okay

[lost lynx]

The "i don't want to pub and i don't have friends" is a classic

[stark idol]

Bro am I going insane?

I think I am chat

[lost lynx]

Nero

You need your meds

[stark idol]

Yes :)

Bruh

I do

[hollow tartan]

What is going on right now

[stark idol]

Can you pass ‘em over? I don’t wanna reach over there to grab ‘em

[stark idol]

I’m having a casual psychotic break

[sacred briar]

wtf you’re orange

[hollow tartan]

Cause i'm cool

😎

[trim sail]

😳

[sacred briar]

i wish i was cool

[pure belfry]

The GTFO LOUD pack, every SFX is at least as loud as pablo footsteps

[tepid adder]

i gotta question about mods. is increasing max ammo capacity considered a cheat or a QoL?

[noble rose]

💀

type shi we buffing the sniper ourselves

[noble rose]

considered a cheat most likely

[tepid adder]

😇

just curious lmao

[lost lynx]

That is

Cheating

💀

[hollow tartan]

Cheat. straight to jail

[pure belfry]

that’d be cheating, yes

wouldnt that also change bullet cost for that gun?

[stark idol]

If Ten Chambers won’t do it, I will

[lost lynx]

By increasing max ammo you are basically throwing away half of the resource management

[noble rose]

fr

[hollow tartan]

Cheats? IN MY RUNDOWN?!?!?!

[noble rose]

i cheated on ur mom