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#gtfo-chat
pine root
hasty bobcat
its time
pine root
it was fucking awful
hoary crescent
lmaoo
hasty bobcat
@brittle schooner go get practice
brittle schooner
did u managed 2 get 1 win
hoary crescent
i already got a sub 30 clear
pine root
did u managed 2 get 1 win
yeah not as solo carry tho
hearty flare
do you have mommy issues memory issues and spelling issues or do you have mommy memory and spelling issues
hoary crescent
you need practice
fringe garden
mya
pine root
do you have mommy issues memory issues and spelling issues or do you have mommy ...
both the non comma
brittle schooner
yeah not as solo carry tho
fair enuf
pine root
and comma version
hearty flare
amazing
hasty bobcat
it'd never be
brittle schooner
ive seen pubbing for r5e1 for a few days
hasty bobcat
right
brittle schooner
the new discord UI is fucking with me
pine root
yeah
hoary crescent
i hate it
hasty bobcat
i hate it
hearty flare
the new discord UI is fucking with me
im getting deja vu with this message
pine root
but the best play for r5e1 for skill prog is 100%
hoary crescent
absolutely DISGUSTING
hearty flare
am i hallucinating
hearty flare
does lack of sleep cause hallucinations
hoary crescent
that's why the people playing cs with me were getting so mcuh better then!1
fringe garden
jish is this projection that you sack for timesave constantly
pine root
jish is this projection that you sack for timesave constantly
yeah
fringe garden
based
brittle schooner
i hate it
what pissing me of the most is that 1st person in VC isnt properly aligned, there is an extra space now for absouletly no reason, and i keep thinking someone with one of those invisible pfps is in the vc
pine root
but if you dont you might be 30 seconds ahead every run into giant
but you wont be able to clear at least fast
the back half of the run is nasty
you need to pratice it and the best way is for all runs to go deep
brittle schooner
<@758600435908083722> go get practice
also i dont need practice trust :clueless:
hasty bobcat
also i dont need practice trust :clueless:
i saw that in our r4e1 ytd
pine root
LOL hate to say guys everyone needs pratice.
hasty bobcat
^
pine root
your skills be come dull if you dont
brittle schooner
i saw that in our r4e1 ytd
what r4e1 runs
hasty bobcat
what r4e1 runs
the ones where u died on code 3
fringe garden
not hani
brittle schooner
LOL hate to say guys everyone needs pratice.
im just jking im well aware
fringe garden
hani needs to touch grass
hasty bobcat
hani needs to touch grass
not before the macro guide
fringe garden
truu
brittle schooner
the ones where u died on code 3
nah idk what u talking about
hoary crescent
i stopped playing for a week or so sometime ago
hoary crescent
came back and i sucked ass
hasty bobcat
what level
rn?
pine root
yes
hasty bobcat
pubbing
hoary crescent
muted cell skip?
hasty bobcat
no
fringe garden
if it's cs im joining
hoary crescent
wow
brittle schooner
lol
hasty bobcat
i would play
pine root
we can out vote
hoary crescent
this guy HATES cell skip
fringe garden
wtf it's cs im joining
burnt flume
honestly i don't remember getting any clears on r5e1 because that level banes me
burnt flume
i don't remember playing with steve
hoary crescent
it was me and the other 2 people first cell skip you just kinda carried
viral cliff
I got a general question, which vanilla level would you classify as Detroit?
mellow hedge
@mellow plume YOU FUCKING
daring ginkgo
😂
mellow plume
xd
mellow hedge
WHERES THE VOD
mellow plume
in your dreams
hearty flare
crazy replay mod
mellow plume
ill post it on my yt later
mellow hedge
confirmed hacked
mellow hedge
ill post it on my yt later
did u frame limit
burnt flume
i clocked you in 2 minutes
daring ginkgo
insane clear
mellow plume
did u frame limit
nope didnt do any of that
mellow hedge
nope didnt do any of that
what for surge?
mellow plume
i clocked you in 2 minutes
😔
mellow hedge
just gamed out?
burnt flume
"oh shit this guy is good"
"oh they're on low fov and use mouse 5 interact it's hani isn't it"
and then the mechanical play
mellow plume
just to get the right one
mellow hedge
just to get the right one
actually games out
mellow hedge
and your music
ngl i thought about this
fringe garden
what did hani do
mellow hedge
didnt think hani would do this tho
mellow hedge
what did hani do
solo r4e1 no cheese no long kite
burnt flume
i thought you were feigning frosty
shut vapor
solo r4e1 no cheese no long kite
fringe garden
solo r4e1 no cheese no long kite
this is crazy wtf
mellow hedge
this is crazy wtf
yeah lmao
it was seeded obv
with perfect boosters
still crazy tho
pseudo sedge
hani insane run
but i swear
jish needs to teach u how to fuck up tanks with a door
gotta make a tutorial for that JISH WHERE
mellow hedge
tgb ur stupid
mellow hedge
@mellow plume tgb was flaming you for bosses
pseudo sedge
dude
mellow hedge
does it kill mom zone
yes
fringe garden
partial pull?
mellow hedge
partial pull?
idk i didnt see that part
mellow hedge
that tank should have died
ask hani why he did what he did
proper iron
no
fringe garden
yeye ill watch the run when hani uploads
pseudo sedge
btw i thought it wasnt hani
daring ginkgo
that moment on wave 4/6 on reactor with 18hp was dangerous, i thought run was over
burnt flume
all the tells were there in gameplay
mellow hedge
the only reason i didnt say hani bc i didnt think hani would do that lmao
pseudo sedge
i didnt even know hani plays on lower than 120
mellow hedge
yeah he does
hasty bobcat
bye jish !!
brittle schooner
^
burnt flume
there's a few people who play on lower than 120
ray, voxy, i guess also frosty but nobody knows that guy
fringe garden
chill
mellow hedge
damn
hoary crescent
140 or nothing
burnt flume
ya, chill too
brittle schooner
im 110 gaming
fresh heron
55 is pain
brittle schooner
ive tried 120 before and its like, idk just a lil TOO much for me if that makes sense, i tend 2 have trouble telling how close enemies are
sacred briar
it’s okay to be wrong
fringe garden
i went to 120 and never looked back
wraith marsh
90 is good enough
hasty bobcat
ngl
wraith marsh
though I do feel it for shoot res and audio culling a decent bit
hasty bobcat
i feel like it's just preference
junior latch
i feel like it's just preference
Between 80 and 120 yea
fringe garden
if audio culling and shot res weren't things i'd say so too but it's just a disadvantage
mellow hedge
tf is audio culling
fringe garden
what sounds you hear is based on fov
hasty bobcat
gotta get that super wide screen
wraith marsh
mainly matters for giants
fresh heron
lower is trolling
I stand by beating the whole game on 55 and realizing why my pov was awful when switching to 110 after that
hasty bobcat
I stand by beating the whole game on 55 and realizing why my pov was awful when ...
i trust u were trolling
fresh heron
was just the largest 450 hour troll sesh
hoary crescent
nivoe beat the whole game with 55 too
hasty bobcat
yes !!
hoary crescent
he got about 900 or 1k with 55
hasty bobcat
i'm sorry for his loss
hoary crescent
i told him some days ago to play with more, asked him why he never did
cause he just didnt bother to change it
not even once.
wraith marsh
this game is so weird to me in this sense
bc the world of gaming im coming from like
you boot games
IMMEDIATELY change FOV
wraith marsh
before playing
hoary crescent
my childhood was arena shooters like quake and unreal
fringe garden
before playing
^
mellow hedge
my childhood was arena shooters like quake and unreal
quake is a wild pull
wraith marsh
90 is not low
hoary crescent
i'm old frosty
hoary crescent
still
cant you tell something is wrong with default fov
like i felt motion sickness watching nivoe play with 55
fresh heron
it feels so slow
hoary crescent
its not that
daring ginkgo
seems fine
hoary crescent
your pov is just like
hoary crescent
so bad
wraith marsh
which IS incredibly low
hoary crescent
like watching other people play and coming back to your own default fov don't you feel motion sickness fluster lmao
worthy flicker
I launched the game, went into the tutorial, saw the fov and went "what the fuck is this" then immediately changed it
hoary crescent
LMAO
fresh heron
55 just limits you from seeing hardly anything other then what is directly in front of you
hoary crescent
literally everyon'e sthought process should be that
shut vapor
55 just limits you from seeing hardly anything other then what is directly in fr...
Fake news
hoary crescent
^
wraith marsh
its in the same vein as ppl playing this as their first shooter
worthy flicker
Fov under 90 in a FPS game is wild to me
mellow hedge
base fov should be like 75
hoary crescent
yeah
worthy flicker
The base fov for unity is iirc 60 so someone lowered that shit to 55
hoary crescent
at least higher than what it is
fringe garden
ok but can we talk about how they measure it in vertical fov instead of horizonetal like every other game ever
shut vapor
It's called being quirky
hoary crescent
that's so confusing to me ngl
worthy flicker
GTFO is a weird game man
mellow hedge
must be a swedish thing 
hoary crescent
i just crank it up to max and play
wraith marsh
ok but can we talk about how they measure it in vertical fov instead of horizone...
exactly
their max fov
is also REALLY high
compared to other games
fringe garden
because it's not seeing more vertically that matters when changing fov in this game either
worthy flicker
Gtfo really let's you do whatever tf you want with the fov for better or worse
You can have this game be tunnel vision or fish bowl if you so desire
fringe garden
is also REALLY high
yeah but it's nice to have the option tbh
wraith marsh
have you guys seen clips of manually editing the settings file
to get more fov
you can get 180
worthy flicker
I imagine it just looks fucked
mellow hedge
4d fov
wraith marsh
its rly funny
worthy flicker
Like going through hyperspace
fringe garden
is doing that allowed in speeds
hoary crescent
have you guys seen clips of manually editing the settings file
i play with 140 not 120
wraith marsh
I honestly dont know if its allowed
mellow hedge
is doing that allowed in speeds
probably not?
wraith marsh
probably not
mellow hedge
its editing game files
wraith marsh
let me see if i can find it
formal fossil
how tough is the game solo?
hoary crescent
someone told me mac used to play with higher than 120
fringe garden
how tough is the game solo?
very rough
wraith marsh
hoary crescent
lmao
worthy flicker
how tough is the game solo?
It is not advised
There is a dude here who iirc has done almost everything solo with bots?
hoary crescent
darksaid
daring ginkgo
almost everything
junior latch
but nobody told me anything lmao
if you dont get an answer
its better to assume that its not
worthy flicker
almost everything
Are you named in the vein of Darkseid, outta curiosity?
daring ginkgo
i could finally try r8b4 on those weekends AND i have 3 week vacation after this, time to grind last lvls 
mellow hedge
well hani just did r4e1 solo no cheese no long kite so lmao
shit is looking crazy atm
fringe garden
r7e1 left
mellow hedge
and e2
junior latch
and technically r6cx
worthy flicker
I thought some levels were just straight up impossible solo?
mellow hedge
^
formal fossil
what about with no bots?
junior latch
I thought some levels were just straight up impossible solo?
it has always been "impossible"
worthy flicker
it has always been "impossible"
Not proven to be, assumed to be then?
fringe garden
I thought some levels were just straight up impossible solo?
nop, not with boosters
mellow hedge
nop, not with boosters
e2 hasnt been proven to be doable
daring ginkgo
Are you named in the vein of Darkseid, outta curiosity?
no , it was character from Twisted metal 1 on PS1 and i know i got his name wrong but i just stuck with it 
junior latch
as in you could potentially do it by uber long kiting or the likes
what hani did is hella impressive
seeded (and perfect boosters) are warping stuff tho. (tho I can understand both for sake of sanity)
fringe garden
e2 hasnt been proven to be doable
alarm has been cleared,
reactor has been cleared
mellow hedge
e2 has been proven
when?
worthy flicker
no , it was character from Twisted metal 1 on PS1 and i know i got his name wron...
Tbh I never played the old TMs, I always read your name like DCs big bad
wraith marsh
its been segmented
wraith marsh
me ray and tru all beat first nm6 with diff loadouts
(sniper sentry and foam both work)
mellow hedge
damn so i guess its not that hard lmao
wraith marsh
me and tru both beat reactor with sniper sentry and foam
and ray I think also did but I Forget
you can cancel second nm6
and the rest is fine
mellow hedge
but is the time there?
mellow hedge
ray has also done the stealth alone obv
yeah i have as well
junior latch
tbf stealth alone is rly not the issue
mellow hedge
stealth is easy
wraith marsh
ye thats why I didnt mention it
lunar island
How would everybody feel about a GTFO Versus mode, with one team playing as KSOs and the other team as timed attack waves from spawn, playing as giants, chargers, hybrids, and occasionally a tank or mother, then swapping with a total score at the end for how far each team got?
modern coral
The stealth is hard because of time
junior latch
thats what frosty asked for ye
modern coral
But it's not the main thing stopping progress, it's just not free.
wraith marsh
ray you did reactor with BC right
tidal surge
sub 15 is crazy lol.
wraith marsh
or was that tru
mellow hedge
are we counting stoppin nightmare surge in this e2 solo?
hoary crescent
sub 15 is crazy lol.
easy wym we can do it in one session
wraith marsh
are we counting stoppin nightmare surge in this e2 solo?
you could ig
modern coral
I think it's possible, just excessively annoying
mellow hedge
is there a pov of reactor anywhere?
wraith marsh
lemme find it
mellow hedge
and nm6?
tidal surge
easy wym we can do it in one session
depends on fogrepeller's performance
hoary crescent
💀
mellow hedge
r7e1 lmao
daring ginkgo
why r6cx is hard for solo? because of last part with no room to long kite?
junior latch
last part hasnt been done legit from what I remember
wraith marsh
r8e2 is not happening
junior latch
partially due to the tile kinda borking
fringe garden
i can see e2 seeded happening
wraith marsh
reactor is like
not consistent
and beginning is HARD
with first nm6 being fucked without foam
modern coral
R8E2 is a matter of grinding it, but nobody is, so...
junior latch
stuff doesnt need to be consistent to be cleared
just needs grinding then .^ )
wraith marsh
guess what the hardest part of reactor is btw
mellow hedge
first code idk
mellow hedge
why not wave 3
mellow hedge
i mean
modern coral
There isn't a clear best loadout, either.
mellow hedge
what has nm6 been done with
modern coral
Sniper Sentry is very helpful, but HEL Rifle / HEL Gun are much worse for stealth/bosses.
modern coral
BC is awesome for bosses, but you need foam.
modern coral
did first nm6 ever get done with BC
I thought Tru did
wraith marsh
I cant find any of trus videos fsr
mellow hedge
i kinda doubt the bc clear ngl
mellow hedge
ooh fair
modern coral
You spend BC ammo to spend BC ammo
mellow hedge
makes sense
mellow hedge
yeah without foam its just fucked
wraith marsh
its very rng
wraith marsh
I dont think so but idk
modern coral
Bioscan speed is def the play w/ a wave clear loadout, I think.
mellow hedge
foam spawns and ammo in room
yur
mellow hedge
Bioscan speed is def the play w/ a wave clear loadout, I think.
Bioscan speed is just like needed
modern coral
Both because it's been shown that it's competitive w/ provision
wraith marsh
I ran bio muted, supply bold/aggressive
modern coral
But also because it saves you so much time
mellow hedge
the scans are ridiculously slow
wraith marsh
bc conditions sucks
modern coral
and wave clear struggles w/ time a lot more
wraith marsh
I also tried main damage sawed off
modern coral
than if you take BC
vast zinc
prob cause noby wake up scoot every room
modern coral
HEL Gun stealth is miserable
modern coral
I think I played a tiny bit of it and it felt just okay on waves
Marginally better than BC
modern coral
I think to the extent that you can push for wave clear w/ sniper sentry, that will give you the most consistent clears.
mellow hedge
thoughts on leaving code 1 asleep
what benefit is there?
junior latch
not having to clear it
wraith marsh
clearing it is a bit spooky
wraith marsh
could clear after reactor
wraith marsh
would matter less if a good tank spot was found
modern coral
@wraith marsh I thought I considered it, but I don't remember why I decided against it.
wraith marsh
rn the spot is either fucking around in pillars
or right outside the bulkhead door
and both are mid af
theres the good tile in hub zone but its pretty far away
and takes a while to get setup in
fringe garden
i think frosty has a point, if you can set seed to roll bottom tumours every time sawed off scatter might just be the play
mellow hedge
i think frosty has a point, if you can set seed to roll bottom tumours every tim...
yeah this was my point
wraith marsh
the thing is
mellow hedge
kraken doesnt matter if its seeded
wraith marsh
you kind of dont want scatter
fringe garden
where would you not want scatter
wraith marsh
nuggies spot cant make super good use of it for code 3
brute forcing the first 2 tanks in reactor would be fine cuz of pillars
mellow hedge
nuggies spot cant make super good use of it for code 3
doors?
wraith marsh
but the waves are a bit spooky
fringe garden
with pillars scatter waveclear surely is as good as bc
burnt flume
which is the nuggies spot? second code zone in the tiered area?
modern coral
It would primarily be for stealth and waves a little, but BC is only a bit worse for either, and is better for reactor.
burnt flume
ya, right spot then
wraith marsh
its only good if you play it like solo
every player can just play selfishly there
so its easy
btw ray
I was informed the funny mine thing
with undamaged doors got patched a while ago
fringe garden
It would primarily be for stealth and waves a little, but BC is only a bit worse...
i don't think bc is just a bit worse for nm6 i think it's a lot worse, but i haven't tested
modern coral
i don't think bc is just a bit worse for nm6 i think it's a lot worse, but i hav...
As a solo, you don't really get to dump your ammo in the same way due to range.
So Scatter is losing some of its value where BC you can full burst single nightmares from far away
wraith marsh
every single gun goes to sawed off when enemies get close
modern coral
And the latter is doing a bit more over the course of the alarm.
wraith marsh
the waves are typically too oppressive to reload and then catch up on wave
even on hel gun
modern coral
Scatter is forcing you to wait for enemies to be on you
But that means you're forced into a situation where you can't reload
fringe garden
im not convinced that's the case, the s scans are so big you have space to play with but i need to test it
modern coral
So every 2 Scatters, you're becoming mono-sawed off for a long period.
modern coral
The actual advantage Scatter has is that the two shots are very strong
But just having range can kind of match that
fringe garden
team is there a way to drop into a level without having it unlocked using cconsole
i haven't cleared d2 but want to test in e2
wraith marsh
idk
fringe garden
i should just finish r8 shouldn't i
mellow hedge
i haven't cleared d2 but want to test in e2
clear d2 in cconsole or smth
mellow hedge
i should just finish r8 shouldn't i
yes
fringe garden
clear d2 in cconsole or smth
frosty i'd have to
clear c1-d2
mellow hedge
r8 has banger levels
fringe garden
im not cheating all my r8 clears idk
junior latch
just play then?
mellow hedge
im not cheating all my r8 clears idk
do you want me to host one rq and host migrate
junior latch
legit doesnt rly have a dud for first time playthrough
fringe garden
do you want me to host one rq and host migrate
ye sure
modern coral
team is there a way to drop into a level without having it unlocked using cconso...
You could try installing the GTFO modding API
I believe it's responsible for a lot of modded rundown functionality, including disabling clears + unlocking all levels.
fringe garden
ill try that later, frosty threw a lobby to me for now
shut vapor
Fellas who's trying out that Hjartdal rundown 
worthy flicker
Bros gonna unlock Fus Ro Dah in GTFO
shut vapor
Nvm one of the levels has a goofy aaah 10 minute solo scan 💀
sacred briar
epic afk gameplay
formal fossil
the smg feels like it tickles monsters
fringe garden
yeah it is not very powerful
worthy flicker
Pls we gotta take steps here
formal fossil
theres only 8 missions?
junior latch
83*
hasty bobcat
yes
worthy flicker
Yeah there's only 8
junior latch
8 rundowns
a rundown is a campaign
formal fossil
8 rundowns
a rundown is a campaign
is there multiple mission in each campaign or just one long dungeon run?
junior latch
you can see this when you click into a rundown to host a level
each rundown has its own set of missions. totaling to 83
formal fossil
OHHHHHHH
hasty bobcat
dungeon run........
formal fossil
okay, was spooked there was little content
junior latch
dungeon run........
if each rundowns levels were mandatory to be done in 1 session
then that would be fucked for most
ngl
formal fossil
dungeon run........
i did do alot of running, twas dungeony looking
hasty bobcat
if each rundowns levels were mandatory to be done in 1 session
then that would b...
it's so fucked
junior latch
R6 even main only is easily a 4+ hour endeavour
R1 and R3 suddenly become the most liked rundowns
hasty bobcat
R6 even main only is easily a 4+ hour endeavour
eva u gotta remember
junior latch
since they take 2 hours tops
hasty bobcat
that r6d1 is a 2 hour level as itself !!
formal fossil
time to solo all of it
hasty bobcat
can it @ jade
junior latch
dont
trying some of the early level solo with bots (and after that maybe pure solo) to get some practice in can be good
but this game isnt balanced around solo
at all
fringe garden
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formal fossil
none of my friends wanted to buy the game
junior latch
none of my friends wanted to buy the game
tell them L bozo
but yea
theres a system to find people on this server
formal fossil
i can hop in vc in like 20 minutes
hasty bobcat
eva guide them !!
worthy flicker
R6 even main only is easily a 4+ hour endeavour
If I was a teenager I could pull this shit still
formal fossil
bots auto join?
fringe garden
i don't think bc is just a bit worse for nm6 i think it's a lot worse, but i hav...
ngl the main problem with scatter
is not that it doesn\t kill, nor is it range, or ammo
junior latch
bots auto join?
you can have them stay or force them out
fringe garden
it\s that it\s just not great cc into nightmares since their hitboxes are so big
made it to last S scan with sawed off scatter sniper turret so i think it can clear but it\s rough getting the cc
formal fossil
so buckland sawed off what else should i run
fringe garden
the value is much less consistent than vs normal smalls
hasty bobcat
so buckland sawed off what else should i run
hel gun
formal fossil
maybe im stupid but i dont see a hel gun
hasty bobcat
chill u gotta remember my scatter on a walk the dog level
formal fossil
and what melee tool should i go
hasty bobcat
that shit was fire
thick temple
maybe im stupid but i dont see a hel gun
omneco exp1 in special
wraith marsh
yeah but thats not nightmares
hasty bobcat
what if back damage !!
wraith marsh
its solo
hasty bobcat
yeah i'm just goofing
worthy flicker
You guys ever look at the bipod on the hel rifle and think about how goofy that mf thing is?
wraith marsh
scatter damage ac tually starts seeming a bit more balanced for wave clear on nightmares
which is rly funny
weapon powercreep vs enemy powercreep
hasty bobcat
fr !!
mystic moss
i have an unfounded theory that they overturned scattergun so the bug hunters could clear r8e2
wraith marsh
id believe it
fringe garden
if i roll far spawns every time i think it\s ez with scatter ngl
fringe garden
but close spawns are really rough
formal fossil
boosters are all consumables
hasty bobcat
yes
fringe garden
sky i have been actively testing this for a while now
hasty bobcat
i do not believe scatter clears
fringe garden
i live off of doing things out of spite
hasty bobcat
how much did u get on last scan
fringe garden
like 35
hasty bobcat
and did u die cuz u got overwhelmed or run out of ammo
fringe garden
overwhelmed
fringe garden
i think i had hit max rampup already atp though so i just needed to game out
wraith marsh
what are your res assumptions rn
fringe garden
start everything 100, hold 3am
wraith marsh
kk
fringe garden
eg optimal
wraith marsh
thats correct yea
formal fossil
is there any loot on the floor
fringe garden
2am gets through 2nd to last s scan
formal fossil
or is it only orange containers
brittle schooner
is there any loot on the floor
there are consumables sometimes
fringe garden
im also not running any bold booster, just muted bioscan and aggressive supply
brittle schooner
but why tho
hasty bobcat
its agressive bioscan ngl
wraith marsh
should try special damage scatter
modern coral
It's good, tho
hasty bobcat
isn't agressive is health
fringe garden
aggressive doesn\t have conditions iirc
modern coral
Aggressive is health
hasty bobcat
ye
brittle schooner
50 health i think?
hasty bobcat
yeye
modern coral
Bold is human prox, and so is unusable
formal fossil
does my flashlight run out?
hasty bobcat
no
shut vapor
Only real ones remember bioscan on hacking tool
modern coral
Still in the horror game stage
shut vapor
does my flashlight run out?
You'll wish it did when you accidentally leave it on
brittle schooner
i don\t have these boosters that are being suggested
unfortunate
hasty bobcat
scatter is just not optimal for the rest of the level
i mean sure it deals with bosses
but ure just running out of time on kraken
unless u get 5 close tumors
fringe garden
nah you\re cancelling surge
modern coral
You run out of ammo ngl
brittle schooner
rng rollin
hasty bobcat
You run out of ammo ngl
^
modern coral
But again
fringe garden
and we\re discussing seeded to have close tumours every time anyways
formal fossil
should i clear out rooms
wraith marsh
this is where the supp aggressive comes in...
hasty bobcat
LMAO
hasty bobcat
should i clear out rooms
yes
brittle schooner
and we\re discussing seeded to have close tumours every time anyways
can u even seed that?
formal fossil
or is stealth a real option
modern coral
Stealth = clearing rooms
hasty bobcat
can u even seed that?
tumors are seeded iirc
modern coral
Not mutually exclusive
fringe garden
betweem hel rifle and hel gun i think it\s hel gun 100% of the time, at least for nm6
hasty bobcat
hel gun is sus
wraith marsh
I massively prefer hel rifle for nightmares
the reload does suck ass tho
but like
junior latch
i have an unfounded theory that they overturned scattergun so the bug hunters co...
I can say 100% no to this
wraith marsh
hel gun reload just doesnt get you much on the scan
shut vapor
unfounded? it's the hidden truth
junior latch
reminder that people nobody used it before I screamed how busted the gun was
shut vapor
don't believe this misinformation spreader 
wraith marsh
in bug hunter?
hasty bobcat
yee prob
modern coral
You can do health
wraith marsh
health doesnt exist for damage boosters does it?
fringe garden
i think hel gun > hel rifle because it guarantees pen gets value. non bubble pen just doesn't matter with hel rifle really
wraith marsh
i think hel gun > hel rifle because it guarantees pen gets value. non bubble pen...
that is not correct
fringe garden
why
wraith marsh
its not too bad to get them, you get stagger
sawed off damage spreading finishes
only needs 2 pellets of 8
modern coral
I think it's also the HEL Gun playstyle, where if you miss it on the first target, you aim for it on new targets
wraith marsh
^
its the same concept
you can also do tumor + body
mix and match
hel rifle is also just much better for the scans you get longer sightlines on
some ppl argued for hel gun tumor stagger being more available but I dont rly think its a good talking point
burnt flume
I think it's also the HEL Gun playstyle, where if you miss it on the first targe...
this is what troubles me with playing hel rifle, it plays so much differently in having to take things a touch slower and place your shots better
fringe garden
gtfo waveclear is just 3 in a row with hel rifle
wraith marsh
id win connect 4
hasty bobcat
trust i'd always candy crush 3 nightmares in a row
hasty bobcat
id win connect 4
TRUE
wraith marsh
striker bogo deal
shut vapor
tru is typing an essay
hasty bobcat
some ppl argued for hel gun tumor stagger being more available but I dont rly th...
i don't think u actually shoot tumors on hel gun
i mean u do it if u can
but like hitting the whole clip is much harder than with hel rifle
wraith marsh
trus a hel gun enjoyer for nightmares
gusty burrow
I do not believe so. I think sub-20 is a good goal for a team such as Eva/Frosty/Kenny/tgb, in that I think they have the experience to get it in a reasonable amount of time.
(It is a week long competition, you should be able to get it in a day - otherwise you make the barrier organisational constraints)
But I don't think the competition should be just for their team and my team. We already like speedrunning. I want it to be for random teams I've never seen before. That's why I lean towards 25 as the goal.
wraith marsh
insert wojak
gusty burrow
trus a hel gun enjoyer for nightmares
Lol no
wraith marsh
you arent??
gusty burrow
I think BC is just like clearly best and I have no idea why you are all still getting to that conclusion
junior latch
I do not believe so. I think sub-20 is a good goal for a team such as Eva/Frosty...
hell depending on when it is we might not even get 1 day to run
wraith marsh
I thought you liked hel gun over rifle for them
junior latch
we last ran last weekend and next time with us 4 will be after my bday next week...
gusty burrow
no I mean in general tru
Oh, nah HEL Rifle better
wraith marsh
wtf
gusty burrow
One shots are the strongest thing in the game
fringe garden
maybe im just bad
gusty burrow
If you miss tumor you kill with main
junior latch
the best shit is that ill do a 12h stream leading up to it
gaunt nacelle
in sweden its a must to get one
wraith marsh
I love scheduling!!
gaunt nacelle
chat this is a malefic moment (joking)
wraith marsh
theres nothing to respond to there
gaunt nacelle
yes
junior latch
theres nothing to respond to there
I dont know whether thats good or bad 
wraith marsh
its informative statements
it is correct for met o send a confirmation I read it but theres nothing to continue
and im already chatting here so idk
modern coral
For a time lower than 25, 22 is much more reasonable than 20.
wraith marsh
im still fine with 25 but I wanna see the team thats trying its' opinion after actually getting sub 25
shut vapor
go for 30 so I can get it too 😉
junior latch
I feel like sub 25 is rly not bad
modern coral
It's not, but it's a large skill prog requirement possibly.
gaunt nacelle
wat level is it?
junior latch
r5e1
junior latch
we lack perspective
tbf I actually only have done 2 cell skips
gaunt nacelle
bruh ima have to speedrun the first E level i do 😭
burnt flume
if i had more time to play and a team i'd be happy to throw my perspective down after a few runs
junior latch
with neither being a speedrun my pb is 28 min
wraith marsh
when we do a pub carry sub 30 is around where it ends up
most ppl said their first cell skip was around 50
we tested with zed yesterday
junior latch
iirc my first was 33? or 34
wraith marsh
and 22 is about where it ended up for trying to be fast
and obv wr is 16
so the bars are fuckin EVERYWHERE
fringe garden
well tbf wr was different strat so there\s timeloss just there
modern coral
I don't mind 22 simply because we could release guides to help people w/ routing
burnt flume
if i look at an old and awful cell skip clear it was 45m
wraith marsh
yeah I wouldnt mind making guides and practice maps
modern coral
and it is something you could just grind
junior latch
tbf its less a speedrun comp in that sense
cell skip is still a cool thing for people to do (especially in a faster manner). But the goal is gonna be very different from r3d1
junior latch
sub 11
approachable but challenging time that beats WR
sub 16 (tho likely couldve been 14 or 15) for just playing the level at a speedrun-ish pace
burnt flume
R5E1 time is surely harder and more challenging at baseline, as well as having a more optimised record
gusty burrow
Re: BC for R8E2 solo (specifically NM6)
You kill 7 per mag by just single bursting (easiest thing in the world), 8 with a single brush. This occurs over a ~6.4 second shoot+reload cycle. That's 1.25 nightmares/sec.
Meanwhile HEL Rifle, lets assume you hit pen double kill on 3/5, so you also kill 8. This happens over a ~5.7 shoot+reload cycle. So you're doing only doing 10% better. While having to hit multiple double pen kills and ignoring the fact that you would typically be shooting slower to wait for pen lineups.
Like you actually need to hit 5/5 double kills for HEL Rifle to even be clearly better.
And you don't deal with the hybrids
BC actually has a reload that you can squeeze in, it has crazy access to stagger, does way better in all the stealth leading up to that
fringe garden
i believe the argument against bc isn\t that a gun is better than bc but that it allows not bringing foam which massively improves rest of level
wraith marsh
this does make it sound appealing
but I Feel like BC average is not what you rly care about on the alarms
modern coral
I think you want better than 2-lines on pen weaps, and chances are you will get them.
gusty burrow
BC average is what actually happens, you burst burst burst without stopping
I mean someone can check Chill clear to see what the pen average is
gusty burrow
You're killing the same number of enemies over a comparable time period
Wtf do you mean by burst
junior latch
3 pen etc
wraith marsh
(and you just swap to sawed off)
I think BC is correct
and im not going to actually do the level ever
gusty burrow
I was also doing this with the idea of foaming 2nd NM6
wraith marsh
and you just swap to sawed off anyways
gusty burrow
(No cancel)
wraith marsh
so who cares the diff when theres a big chunk of nightmares
gusty burrow
So foam was just assumed
gaunt nacelle
with doorbug can people solo solo the game?
gaunt nacelle
fair enough
gusty burrow
with doorbug can people solo solo the game?
Can people beat the game... when there are no enemies...?
gaunt nacelle
Can people beat the game... when there are no enemies...?
bru im new allow it
and idk about doorbug that much
junior latch
I dont see how you can get burst cannon emptied and reloaded in under 7 seconds unless im missunderstanding you?
gusty burrow
how did you get the bc and hel rifle numbers
I have time to empty clip and reload cancel on my spread sheet
Reload cancel??
junior latch
me spam shooting and stopping on reload cancel gives me 9 seconds minimum for bc
meanwhile its about 6-6 1/2 for hel rifle
even if I start from when first bullet is actually fired to just emptied its nearly 7 seconds for burst cannon
gusty burrow
I might have an error in my formula, but I'll have to check it in a few hours
junior latch
yea no worries
wraith marsh
does it have shot delay for the burst in there
junior latch
I was just a bit confused by the numbers as they didnt seem "quite" to what Id expect
and I went and dropped in
modern coral
4.9s is just charge-ups
junior latch
but yea
I dont think hel rifle is somehow insanely far ahead due to that
its just potentially a bigger difference than was stated
wraith marsh
the diff doesnt end up mattering too much yea
the fact that its comparable is already enough
gusty burrow
idk, if I ignore numbers I can just say I cleared twice in a row with foam BC with a 95% on last scan fail before that which included a serious misplay
And I don't think Chill ever got close to that consistency with sentry hel rifle
Even though Chill is substantially better at waveclear than me
(But I like not ignoring numbers)
wraith marsh
yeah no foam is better for scan
modern coral
I think this was a forcing sentry thing, and personally I think giants w/ BC can be a bit miserable
wraith marsh
ig that hasnt been established very well here
gusty burrow
I think reactor just has a lot of room for strats
gusty burrow
I think this was a forcing sentry thing, and personally I think giants w/ BC can...
This is somewhere where strats pop off, if you fight them at corners you can isolate one at a time pretty well
wraith marsh
reactor hold is funner 😎
gusty burrow
is it just me or bc into nightmares
You have TWENTY BULLETS
wraith marsh
it just feels bad because BC is normally "bad" into smalls
but for nightmares its fine
cuz theyre chunky af
gusty burrow
That's 10 kills! Matches HEL Rifle double pen every shot!
hasty bobcat
nah like
i don't think u get double shot on nightmare all the time
and third on 2nd one
wraith marsh
thats not being assumed here
hasty bobcat
it doesn't one shot into weakpoint?
gusty burrow
8 for free, hit one singular brush!
hasty bobcat
8 is fair
wraith marsh
think about it like this
gusty burrow
Mag size and reload is disproportionately impactful in solo
wraith marsh
there is no brainpower required
modern coral
We're talking dumping the full burst per NM
gusty burrow
And BC has bith
junior latch
or be cringe and get that mod that makes it basically have pen
wraith marsh
you are just mag dumping BC into single nightmares
fringe garden
brushing into nightmares seem fine their hitboxes are stupid
wraith marsh
as opposed to tryharding with a hel weapon
the effort required for similar performance in an average environment is small
hasty bobcat
maybe i haven't played enough bc into nightmares
we were doing e2 duo with bc
and chad said it was weird
modern coral
It is werid if you're trying to be optimal, or you care about ammo
wraith marsh
this is supply booster run yea
modern coral
But for boosted solo, you just want to shoot the enemies at every conceivable opportunity
hasty bobcat
nah like
we were having troubles shooting nightmares
with hel gun/bc
which felt weird
gusty burrow
That is weird. That combo is cracked for them
hasty bobcat
yeah ik
hasty bobcat
idr what happened to that run honestly
but it ended on 2nd class 6
w/o boosters or anything
hasty bobcat
That is weird. That combo is cracked for them
I also thought that
modern coral
I should make a vid about the greedy playstyle
It's maximizing DPS, I think
hasty bobcat
but like
modern coral
which is just never a thing in this game for ordinary teamplay
hasty bobcat
we came to conclusion that it's just hard sometimes cuz u don't have aoe cc (scatter)
wraith marsh
greedy playstyle and how to play sawed off
modern coral
Or at least it's something you do in small bursts
wraith marsh
(basically a solo guide)
hanis already started touching on it with the reload canceling in micro guide
fringe garden
greedy playstyle and how to play sawed off
the sawed off guide will go crazy
wraith marsh
sawed off can actually have good play, surprisingly
gusty burrow
we came to conclusion that it's just hard sometimes cuz u don't have aoe cc (sc...
I mean getting to 2nd class 6 is a pretty good run. Easy to die on 2nd class 6 if enemies just roll at you in a clump
fringe garden
well more like it can actually have bad play
hasty bobcat
I mean getting to 2nd class 6 is a pretty good run. Easy to die on 2nd class 6 i...
it kinda felt like we just missed a lot in the moment
but it's like aight happens
wraith marsh
prolly didnt step off scan either
gusty burrow
Also repectfully @fringe garden I do not think a loadout getting to last scan is particularly good evidence of strenth. The hard part is fighting the final fully ramped wave on last scan. You can mess up and die before that but the thing that is hard no matter what is fighting that wave.
hasty bobcat
prolly didnt step off scan either
we did
junior latch
btw can anyone let me know if we ever find a way to reliably fall through the floor again?
hasty bobcat
it was late tho
i should prolly reclear e2 duo
just for the sake of recording
if u bring scatter it's really not that bad
fringe garden
Also repectfully <@1235338914017972384> I do not think a loadout getting to last...
that's fair
pretty sure the wave fully ramps before that scan but i haven't checked and it also depends on boosters so idfk
also it wasn't meant as a "this is a good loadout to clear" but as a "this is really good for other stuff and can clear"
gusty burrow
As in I do not think getting to last scan is evidence that it can clear
fringe garden
sky seeded tumours
fringe garden
no but considering the amount of seeds surely it exists
fringe garden
As in I do not think getting to last scan is evidence that it *can* clear
maybe correct
wraith marsh
the e2 solo brainrot
fringe garden
no because i don't want to e2 solo
hasty bobcat
the e2 solo brainrot
^^^^^
gusty burrow
Seeded would actually be so easy
hasty bobcat
yeah
gusty burrow
Just put every boss off path
fringe garden
mushroomseed
hasty bobcat
or u just roll till u get a good one
fringe garden
idk if you can make a seed but you can force specific seeds so just check until you find something you think is good enough
junior latch
I feel like kraken tumors arent seed based
you can likely force it if you want if you mod it through
plush gate
crazy
analog flicker
raven hamlet
split gustBOT
fresh heron
mb, didnt know it started though the chat, was just trying to join in vc
robust dawn
?
violet breach
managed to do r1a1 solo no bots
i know for most of you that must be easy as hell
but its my first mission
: D
honest parrot
nice job
violet breach
now i can sleep properly
fresh heron
not the best but have some assistance if you're playing alone
honest parrot
They aren't bricks like pd2 bots
But they aren't stupid either
They do help
violet breach
i dont have friends with this game so im going to have to do it solo
gonna try bots this next run
honest parrot
Neither do most of us
fresh heron
could always make an lfg, usally always people to join
honest parrot
We usually lfg for most of the runs we do
If soloing becomes too hard do try to fall back to it
violet breach
yeah but im just in r1 and everybody has to much experience for that
honest parrot
Cause burning out bcs you're soloing a coop game is never a good thing
fresh heron
youd be suprised
good amount of people here bought it recently and are just getting started on it
honest parrot
I mean idiot sherpas like me might have a lot of experience
And we might yap a lot
violet breach
Cause burning out bcs you're soloing a coop game is never a good thing
i did it fifth try i think
didnt burnt out
i love the game
the first four y advanced like 2 sectors max trying weapons