gtfo-chat

[gaunt nacelle]

If there’s even support for it

[pliant talon]

But other than that

[gaunt nacelle]

He could be one of the people that don’t use terminals

[pliant talon]

Most likely yeah

[gaunt nacelle]

Idk, thinking it would be like any other PvE game (I haven’t played any other PvE game)

[pliant talon]

He’s more familiar with controller, and with higher sensitivity I think the combat would be easier for him

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea maybe

I only play racing games with controller so idk

[lost lynx]

it is

but the game has no controller support

and it sucks

[pliant talon]

Awww

Bummer

[fringe garden]

i think gtfo might be ok if you're running gyro + flick stick

[whole smelt]

how long does one match usally last??

[fringe garden]

between 15 and 120 minutes

[lost lynx]

for newbies it can be 1 hour to 1 hour and a half

[fringe garden]

depends on what mission you're doing

[lost lynx]

on average

[lost lynx]

sometimes 2

[gaunt nacelle]

The 180 mins I’ve had standing in the corner

[gaunt nacelle]

^ r6b2 secondary

[fringe garden]

if clear time is above 2 hours it's either a blind clear, very slow/inexperienced players, or a run that features kiting

[gaunt nacelle]

(I’m very slow usually)

[fringe garden]

you're with bots it's different then because it's practically solo in terms of the tasks you have to do yourself

[gaunt nacelle]

Fair enough

And I had to hop into a call to see that processing uplink codes doesn’t require me at the terminal

[whole smelt]

yeah im new when its donme downloading how long does it take to find a group?

[fringe garden]

just for a game probably 5-15 minutes

[lost lynx]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[fringe garden]

permanent group who knows

[hasty bobcat]

so far haven't had one in 1600 hours

thoughts

[fringe garden]

sky when are we putting together the 4man speed team

[gaunt nacelle]

Isn’t Eva frosty and co the 4man speed team?

[fringe garden]

ah yes, there can only be one speed team at a time

[gaunt nacelle]

I meant the speed team

[hasty bobcat]

whenever u finish the game

bet

[junior latch]

Realistically the squad shifts then and again
the biggest constant has been me

Kenny is the og og but was inactive for stretches, frosty and tgb are "new" (started speeds around a year ago) and also were not permanently active during that time

[gaunt nacelle]

Fair enough

[hasty bobcat]

and we still need a 4th

[junior latch]

The names I spam speedran with earlier on were bread and void

[fringe garden]

bet
lfg r4c3 r5b2 r5b3 r5d1 r6c2 r6c3 r7b3 r7c2 r7c3 r7e1 r8b2-d2

[hasty bobcat]

they're both gonezo 😔

[junior latch]

a few bangers
a few gimmicky ones

[hasty bobcat]

idm playing c3

all the c3's actually

7e1 is also fine

[fringe garden]

part of the reason i haven't cleared is that pubbing any of these kinda suck

[junior latch]

a few definetly arent clean pub lobbies

but r6c2, r8b2, c1, d1, e1, a2, b3?

[fringe garden]

r6c2 secondary murders pubs in my experience

[junior latch]

run scatter

kill mom

and error

tell them to just shoot scouts

and push

you move 1 item

they move 1-2

[fringe garden]

the r8 stuff is pubbable probably you're right

[hasty bobcat]

u can pub up to b4

in r8

[fringe garden]

you have such faith in the pubs it's heartwarming

[junior latch]

R6C2 with pubs is rly just "do pubs know how bio and shooting scouts work"

ive pubbed the level a lot in og r6c2

considering I liked it a lot

[junior latch]

B4 is such a gamble

[fringe garden]

ngl i might just solo b4

[junior latch]

you either hope 3 pubs can hold the wave
or that they can find static spawns 💀

[fringe garden]

kiting seems less painful than pubbing

[junior latch]

just duo ngl

[hasty bobcat]

u can solo hold as long as u have ammo

but u don't actually need to

[junior latch]

with current waves yea

[hasty bobcat]

since only one person leaves for stuff

[junior latch]

just do speed strat

[hasty bobcat]

gt

fr

[fringe garden]

we'll see what happens i might kinda be pulling back together static rn and ig what i have uncleared is top of priority list

[brittle schooner]

challenge impossible for both

[fringe garden]

nah you safe it
get 2 hel auto sentries to hold and pubs to catch leaks

[junior latch]

honestly a few of those are rly fun to minmax (imo)

like all levels past R5 (outside of R7E1 first half and R8D1) are pretty fun in there

[fringe garden]

what i have seen and know about r7b3 i don't really like

but c2 and c3 seem fun

[hasty bobcat]

r7b3 is dog

water

0/10 would never play it again

[tacit shoal]

best non hel wave clear????

[hasty bobcat]

bc

[junior latch]

lol

no

[brittle schooner]

assuming sentries are placed in a half decent position and actually have ammo in them maybe

[lost lynx]

sniper

[hasty bobcat]

if u can brush

yeah

[tacit shoal]

💀

[brittle schooner]

isnt it sawed off

[junior latch]

what enemy type?

[tacit shoal]

R4E1

[fringe garden]

i hate that you might be right

[hasty bobcat]

i thought we talk about specials

[junior latch]

as a team it has the power, but the mag size can be limiting

[fringe garden]

sawed off beats the specials anyways

[hasty bobcat]

^

[fringe garden]

pr is pretty good waveclear

[brittle schooner]

well i wasnt sure if it was just specials or in general

[tacit shoal]

honestly yeah

[junior latch]

probably revo LOL (PR can also go hard)

and well sawed off is op in general and op in r4e1

[wraith marsh]

The mag size is not limiting lol

[junior latch]

why no hel weapons tho?

[tacit shoal]

i cant find a good line up for reactor

[hasty bobcat]

huh

[tacit shoal]

they split

[hasty bobcat]

sherlock they split in 2 lines

[junior latch]

chill when fighting 10 enemies and he cant move
"shoots sawed off more than 4 times somehow"

[fringe garden]

sawed off + hel rifle/hel gun/burst cannon/pr/revo and you're fine

[junior latch]

Its 100% limiting, doesnt mean sawed off isnt insane

[hasty bobcat]

where is my hel autopp and cs hold

[tacit shoal]

🪦

[junior latch]

but a singular sawed off performes worse as waveclear vs an instant horde
this isnt rly an arguemnt to be had either

[wraith marsh]

That is such a terrible argument

[fringe garden]

use sentry on one side and hold other side. with bio you can just catch those that get past sentry, don't really have to divide attention if you hold a bit back as well

[brittle schooner]

this is your issue

why instant horde?

who said that

[tacit shoal]

thanks zlawg 🙏

i will try this

[wraith marsh]

You can reload during staggers just fine

[hasty bobcat]

the only problem is when u fail ur hold and u go back in reactor

[junior latch]

it was to show that it can be limiting

when someone tried saying its not limiting

[hasty bobcat]

but u put urself in that situation !!

[tacit shoal]

im a d1 hold failer 😔

[pseudo sedge]

(no HEL) waveclear for r4e1 probably sawed off, revo... maybe combat but it's a little awkard into shadows + double shotgun aint great

[fringe garden]

can't handle the pressure from holding in reactor smh

[hasty bobcat]

honestly it's probably pr

[junior latch]

sawed off / revo for fluidity

sawed off / PR goes hard for no bio tho

[tacit shoal]

i thougt about revo or combat shotgun

[hearty flare]

euggghhh shadows are weird to fight when there's a bunch we just lost r1d1 😭

[junior latch]

combat shotgun is probably the best small wave clear option after hel, but its limited by its range

[brittle schooner]

this is a niche situation, also even againt a hoard, i would rather have sawed off than most specials if we arent including hel weapons lol

[tacit shoal]

pdw ❤️

[fringe garden]

if you're hitting the headshots pr means you get to hold in reactor and have flexibility in reloads which is nice

[junior latch]

combat shotgun

that was the entire point

[wraith marsh]

Hel shotgun clears

[fringe garden]

pr is also just better into hybrids than revo

[pseudo sedge]

if u cant hit heads is mg the play tho?

[junior latch]

MG does perform better after the first 4 shots
then MG drops into an abyss after the mag is empty

[fringe garden]

i'd rather see them take like
shotgun
than mg

[junior latch]

yea

[pseudo sedge]

it feels like if u can abuse MG you should be able to hit heads with revo or just deal with combat's range

[fringe garden]

looking at r4e1 duos the main problem with no hel weapons is ammo during error
having pen just saves soo much ammo during 2nd alarm and to an extent first alarm too

[junior latch]

its still just insane

that hel weapons have basically the same ammo econ without pen

as non hel

and then they also get other advantages

like hel gun higher dmg than revo
hel rifle range

[brittle schooner]

high cal's falloff makes me depressed

[junior latch]

💀

[brittle schooner]

amount of times i leave chargers at 1hp

[hasty bobcat]

^^^^^^

[tacit shoal]

bring back the old one 🙏

[hasty bobcat]

8m fall off goes hard

[fringe garden]

hel shotgun + high cal synergy into chargers goes so hard

[junior latch]

I always wonder what would happen if you nerf hel rifle ammo and mag and nerf hel gun dmg (below 15)

makes charger and nightmares more threatening and opens up revo, choke and high cal way more

[hasty bobcat]

average weapon discussion

[wraith marsh]

hel gun 14 damage is still very much the best wave clear choice

already been tried

hel rifle is unironically balanced

[fringe garden]

hel gun damage nerf wouldn't matter much tbh. sure it's now shit (relatively to before) into chargers but against small you lose 2 body shot kill on shooter and that's it

[wraith marsh]

ammo nerf is all it needs

[tacit shoal]

mag size reduce

[honest parrot]

i just want my revolver buff

[fringe garden]

revo doesn't need a buff revo is good

[junior latch]

yes
but its no longer best wave clear and top tier charger clear

[wraith marsh]

revo needs a lot of buffs

[brittle schooner]

wat

[junior latch]

worse into nightmares, chargers, giants etc

[brittle schooner]

yes its the best wave clear but its no longer the best wave clear

[junior latch]

AND

at the same time

[hasty bobcat]

can we have pen 2 in vanilla

on god

🙏

[wraith marsh]

so what, hel rifle is now better?

even tho ppl already consider that sometimes

[junior latch]

I see people still dont read stuff

I litteraly said to nerf it aswell

LOL

[fringe garden]

for it to matter into nightmares it has to be nerfed below 14.25dmg

[wraith marsh]

you didnt mention breakpoint nerfs

[brittle schooner]

ill take 15 dmg over 2 pen

[hasty bobcat]

why tho

[brittle schooner]

2 pen is better but i want my charger 2 shot

[fringe garden]

i'll take good flashlight over 15 damage or 2pen

[brittle schooner]

thats it rlly xd

[hasty bobcat]

u can stagger 2 chargers

with 1 shot

[junior latch]

? I dont think you nerf hel rifle below 30 dmg
did you actually not read what I said 💀

[hasty bobcat]

that's such a based take honestly

[brittle schooner]

i know but i just dont really like that i need 3 shots 2 kill a charger with revo

[wraith marsh]

eva why are you like this

hboly fuck

[junior latch]

removing 15 dmg entirely opens up more distinct choices for guns (if you nerf hel rifle down aswell)

[wraith marsh]

change how you type on the internet PLEASE

jesus christ

[junior latch]

.

I tend to try and read every single message of people who Im in a discussion with

[hasty bobcat]

u can quick swap to main

[junior latch]

flashlight balance is so dogshit for no reason and idk why

[wraith marsh]

I cannot speak for others but personally I Have played with the balance you are mentioning and hel gun does still just clear

[brittle schooner]

well i try 2 do that usually in the rare situation where i run revo, but again, me wanting 15 dmg is just cause i prefer it

[wraith marsh]

hel gun is the uptime wave clear option

[junior latch]

Id expect it to still clear ngl

its less about making hel gun awful (tho you could fine tune there too I guess?)

And more about a different weapon approach if you actually split wave clear and charger+ clear

tho yes
if you leave hel rifle untouched it just becomes stupidly broken in comparision

(if hel gun doesnt 2 tap chargers)

[pseudo sedge]

-1 bullet in mag for hel rifle and shit is fine with hel gun at 14 dmg

[junior latch]

"fine" idk

[pseudo sedge]

just full lean into the hel rifle no uptime

[junior latch]

I feel like hel rifle having only 8/refill or so would also be fine

[pseudo sedge]

with -1 bullet or nah? cause it feels like both it would be balanced at a similar level to other secondaries

[junior latch]

the question is rly, at which point does hel gun get eclipsed by revo if hel gun is below 15 dmg and you dont buff revo

[junior latch]

with both I think for pubs its similar
but hel rifle would still have noticeably higher peaks

[wraith marsh]

we are currently having trouble making revo pickable over hel gun with 16 damage revo 14 damage hel gun

[fringe garden]

give revo good flashlight

[wraith marsh]

that change has been made

[junior latch]

give revo better range

[fringe garden]

revo range is fine

if you headshot a small it kills

[pseudo sedge]

the 'lazy' way to do it imo would be giving it pen... but without giving pen... ehhhh

[wraith marsh]

I suggested range equal to hel gun

[junior latch]

not if you want to use it as charger kill

[junior latch]

that wouldve been my thought yea

[wraith marsh]

exactly

its HARD

[junior latch]

pen buffs just suck

[wraith marsh]

hel gun just has too much going for it

[pseudo sedge]

the problem is the gun is too similar to hel gun with the only diff being pen

[junior latch]

the only 2 pen buffs I found good

were auto pistol and auto sentry

[pseudo sedge]

so you basically have to restructure the idea of the gun itself to make it pickable over hel gun

[junior latch]

because those were already gimped by low dmg

[pseudo sedge]

(without giving pen) and u cant "just buff" because there are no more breakpoints other than 20dmg which is too broken anyway.

so that gun is generally.. deserving of a mini rework at least

[wraith marsh]

the buff I like is giving it low recoil

but the recoil is such a unique part of revo

[fringe garden]

16 dmg revo with base game falloff 2shots chargers at 15m or less maybe it needs a buff but not a big one i don't think

[hasty bobcat]

give it hel rifle range !

it'll go hard i swear

[fringe garden]

ok call me crazy a buffed recoil revo has more skill expression than hel gun

[wraith marsh]

disagree

but it opens up a lot

[hasty bobcat]

idk recoil was never that big of a deal ngl

like only thing is u can't shoot too fast

[fringe garden]

yeah

literally limiting how skilled you can be with gun

[hasty bobcat]

nah

it gives u enough space

with current recoil

[fringe garden]

idk i have reviewed clips of me playing and missing flicks because of recoil

and im not even good

[hasty bobcat]

honestly u shouldn't put urself in a situation where you'd need to flick in the first place

[fringe garden]

i mean yes

but if i can hit those shots and save my bad positioning game should allow me

[junior latch]

ngl a 16 dmg revo with better flashlight is likely already a bit too strong in vanilla in regards to balance

[wraith marsh]

and hel gun is still better nerfed

[fringe garden]

chill
what about
16 dmg revo with like 0.9x - 1.25 precision multi
boss clear

[hasty bobcat]

ur crazy

[wraith marsh]

its just very problematic

[wraith marsh]

were giving it bad tumor multi

[hasty bobcat]

me when i one shot nightmares with revo

[junior latch]

I think having 3 gun groups (small waveclear, chargers, giants) would work best

[pseudo sedge]

imagine revo but reload cancel is 0.1s

[fringe garden]

making revo better at waveclear than hel gun seems like a fools errand so trying something else seems reasonable

[junior latch]

you dont want overlap if you can avoid it

[hasty bobcat]

team if there would be r9

do u think they'd still buff meta guns

[junior latch]

you can make hel gun worse unless you hit the good pen scenario if you nerf ammo and dmg

[hasty bobcat]

since no one plays them

[fringe garden]

yes

[junior latch]

hmm

I think burst cannon might be buffed

I dont think hel rifle or gun would

and scatter neither

but sniper would likely never be buffed

[hasty bobcat]

hel gun would i think ngl

[fringe garden]

r9 ar nerf would go so hard

[junior latch]

hel gun just got a buff

[hasty bobcat]

i hear A LOT of ppl like really complaining about it

[junior latch]

doubt theyd buff it 3 times in a row

after it got nerfed twice

[hasty bobcat]

nah they'll just give .1 back

trust

[hasty bobcat]

i thought it's already in the ground

[fringe garden]

it is

[hasty bobcat]

actually wait

it's below the ground

[junior latch]

I think AR is in a weird spot for them

its 100% weak

but its also high pickrate

[hasty bobcat]

they must be confused

[junior latch]

considering they buffed smg (was in a similar position pre buffs) id expect a small dmg buff

[fringe garden]

idk the fundamental problem is making autos pickable to begin with

[junior latch]

honestly the pickrate balance looks scarily accurate if you look back to og r6 to now changes

[hearty flare]

💀 i just picked it up

[junior latch]

why

(it is one of the huger beginner bait weapons)

[fringe garden]

i think the single time i slotted ar was for that tank kill clip i posten in media

[junior latch]

these guns also typically stay on people (bullpup aswell) if the players dont bother to check how good guns are and dont dwelve into the community

[junior latch]

What is my lowest pickrate weapon ever 💀 (ignoring R8 additions)

[fringe garden]

idk there are guns ive never dropped in with

[junior latch]

Id guess its heavy smg main (likely even played it less than R8 additions ngl)

but im unsure what special is below short rifle if at all

[honest parrot]

HAR?

[junior latch]

you likely dont have 3.4k hours, didnt playtest and didnt drop in as a newbie to test every gun cuz stupid

i spammed HAR in og r6

probably around 200 hours at least on it

[honest parrot]

Was it good back then?

[junior latch]

it was smooth af

not great

but smooth as hell

[fringe garden]

nah but i regret not playing in og

[hearty flare]

me I'm beginner ong

[fringe garden]

well, i didn't know about game until spiff so i couldn't have

[hasty bobcat]

^

[hearty flare]

i have no ide what I could even use as a main, i thought the rifle might work but circumstantially I suck at it 😂😂

[hearty flare]

same I couldn't play non alt 😔

[gaunt nacelle]

Sawed off and hel rifle🥰

[tall hawk]

aw hell naw

[hearty flare]

crazy

doesn't sawed off require you to be up close and personal

[junior latch]

semi

you dont wanna shoot it at medium-high range

but it can consistently kill at 8m easily

and most of the time enemies get into that range anway

[gaunt nacelle]

I use the bots or hel rifle for that

[junior latch]

yea

[gaunt nacelle]

Smol shooters you can usually one tap when they get closeish

Also Eva if you got one sentry to go r6bx with which would you chose (shotgun trust)

[junior latch]

why only 1 sentry

ditch the foam

[gaunt nacelle]

Cfoam and mines

[junior latch]

dont take foam

[hearty flare]

4 sentry gang

💪

[junior latch]

especially with bots

[gaunt nacelle]

Ok what two would you take?

[junior latch]

having bio (and mines) >>>>>

[gaunt nacelle]

Ah yes very good against shadows

[junior latch]

In a 4 man id likely run foam for secondary. But with bots thats a bit scuffed

if you dont run secondary I honestly wouldnt even take mines

[gaunt nacelle]

I’m going for secondary

[junior latch]

but for your situations

[hearty flare]

wait what

[gaunt nacelle]

I’m gonna yanno 100% the levels if I can

[hearty flare]

fr???

😭 😭 WE SHOULD'VE

oh wait

we do have 3 sents one bio

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea they just mow them down even without bio

[junior latch]

bio, mines and then you can either go

2 hel auto (demolishes both small door alarms, but is tool expensive)
1 hel auto, 1 burst
2 burst (most conservative tool wise)

[hearty flare]

absolutely gorgeous

[fringe garden]

take bio on yourself and a bot and 2 sentries and kite secondary trust

[hearty flare]

thanks man

hopefully we clear this one

[hearty flare]

we;re a 4 man rn

[junior latch]

never drop bio rly

[hearty flare]

yea

[junior latch]

and mines become rly strong past Rundown 1

[gaunt nacelle]

I’ve only gotten to the second password part so i don’t remember smol door alarm I think (nvm I remember one)

[hearty flare]

but i remember i think watching either yours or someone else's video saying not to get too used to the biotracker as a crutch 😂

[fringe garden]

r7d2 is like the only level where you have the tool to sustain 4 tools anyways

[junior latch]

1st alarm yea

[junior latch]

eh theres a few

its just never worth

[gaunt nacelle]

Ima take one auto one burst

[fringe garden]

that's more about passing it around team so you don't get reliant on it to gather info about surroundings

[gaunt nacelle]

Eva does it matter if I run mines on me or bot?

[modern coral]

I think you're overrating how much the buff changes.

[gaunt nacelle]

Actually ima run mines on me

[junior latch]

the point is that you dont want to OVER rely on it

this means especially being able to stealth without it without slowing to a crawl or waking up stuff cuz of a case of blindness
the other small part is not being overtly reliant on its pings for combat, since there might be cases where enemies arent pinged and you dont wanna suddenly become a bronze csgo player aim wise

[sacred briar]

brings no bio to pull up to r7d2. roll the shadow zone for the password

[junior latch]

I think revo gains a lot

And too strong in vanilla balance is below S tier for most tierlists lol

[compact folio]

I already have that aim with pings though

[junior latch]

slightly better on you yea

[gaunt nacelle]

Yea it’s quicker for the blood doors

[modern coral]

I don't think B-tier is a good balance target, if that's what you mean.

[hearty flare]

ah

fair enough

[junior latch]

low A tier is imo

mid/low

[modern coral]

Then 16 dmg revo would be fine

[junior latch]

combat shotty imo is a good case of slightly too strong

it does not need 22 1/2 per refill

no surprise revo would be fine, we have giga busted guns in the game rn

but those 3 of those 4 are game warping already

[graceful geode]

It trades the insane ammo efficiency for not being able to onetap strikers unless you get all pellets

Like, CS is very good

[junior latch]

so I prefer looking at the gun balance in a more moderate way

[graceful geode]

I dont think I'd change anything about it however

[junior latch]

one tapping strikers isnt hard to get consistently
and even 2 tapping its still supplied with tons of ammo

[modern coral]

I don't think you've explained how 16 damage revo is supposed to be overtuned or in some way bad for other guns.

[graceful geode]

I'd also advise towards looking to weapons as tools rather than "gun X too strong" and trying to give every gun a role they can cover, provided that there's gonna be jack of all trades no matter what balance you try to do

[pastel dagger]

look at burst pistol mr sleepo

look at short rifle

[junior latch]

16 dmg revo has similar charger efficiency to high cal but more range, better reload and fire speed (which would be the premier charger option if revo doesnt have those buffs)

[graceful geode]

The game has too many guns

and too little type of enemies

That's the sad truth I think

[modern coral]

I think you're mistaken if 16 damage makes Revo really good charger clear.

[pastel dagger]

but u know whats the happy truth

[junior latch]

yea
that was kinda the theory behind the thought question of removing hel gun as prime charger clear

[pastel dagger]

im about to go to bed

[junior latch]

which special is better than 16 dmg revo

[modern coral]

Having half the kills per mag and needing to reload at all, regardless of how quickly, are both very bad for Revo.

[graceful geode]

Nice, Sleep is good.

[pastel dagger]

i dont wanna sleep

but ive done it again, its fukken almost 6am

[modern coral]

HCP and CS I would say are still better than 16 dmg revo.

Pen weaps obviously, also

[junior latch]

HCP has about half the range

Combat shotgun lives of stagger

pen weapons are removed in this case

considering those are insane obviously

(especially with both having stupidly good breakpoints)

[modern coral]

I don't think this range point is very meaingful, ngl.

[junior latch]

it is

[modern coral]

If I'm holding on R4D1, HCP is easily just better than Revo

[junior latch]

try fighting chargers with no pen hel rifle and hig hcal

[modern coral]

I have played R4D1 on HCP already

[junior latch]

R4D1 is super high range especialyl tho lol

[modern coral]

and on 16 Revo

[junior latch]

you just get more kills before high cal can even start shooting

[modern coral]

Yes, it is super high range, and the range doesn't matter

HCP is better

It's just more stable

[junior latch]

ray when shooting high cal at 10+ meters

oh it didnt die

[modern coral]

And when a charger doesn't die

You just kind of finish it

It's at 2 health, it's not scary anymore

[junior latch]

revo shoots way faster, at higher range
and reloads inbetween 1 1/2 high cal shots

revo uptime is insane

[modern coral]

I don't think you've played very much Revo if you think the reload is enough to make it suddenly very good at giants or chargers at 16

[junior latch]

Reminder that this isnt a "revo would be S tier" take

but a "if we would have balanced vanilla gtfo choices, based on my opinion of balance" then 16 dmg revo with improved flashlight would exceed that by a bit

[modern coral]

In practice, it remains very weak for those target types.

[junior latch]

also I dont think it would get massively better into giants

better tho still

[unreal crystal]

Isnt this a similar vein to 25 dmg high cal

[junior latch]

yea
which was noticeably worse into chargers

[unreal crystal]

Where the solution was just shoot them with hel revo first

[junior latch]

than 30 dmg high cal

[unreal crystal]

it’d be same kinda deal is my point

[junior latch]

ya

[unreal crystal]

you just finish low hp charger if you shoot it from too far

I think hcp is probs better than revo for it

but I’d have to play it

Vs 16 damage revo

[fringe garden]

idk the thing high cal has going for it is that it kills the chargers when you shoot them while 16dmg revo doesn't

[worthy flicker]

doesnt hel revo only have like 2m of range on hcp before fall off?

[junior latch]

doesnt matter

you only need like 2 dmg if out of range for current high cal

and only needed 5-7 for new old high cal

[worthy flicker]

i can understand the argument that range and uptime revo has would exceed the value of the one shot hcp has if you arent consistently one shotting with hcp tbh

[junior latch]

high cal 100% would be better in range for this hypothetical

but high cal range is limiting vs chargers

[modern coral]

It's a mix of factors. If you really want to shoot early, you can just kind of do that on HCP, and follow-up w/ even something like MP.

[worthy flicker]

once high cal isnt one shotting wouldnt the preemptive reload and ammo econ hurt it? or are we looking at this outside ammo econ totally

[modern coral]

And then when they're actually close, you're one-tapping anyway

[worthy flicker]

thats logical, i figured this was in a vacuum tbh

[modern coral]

Vs. Revo, where if they do actually get close to you you're not clearing any faster.

[junior latch]

what usually semi ignored in cases of "you can just main tap" is that with revo you could also use a good main to kill

[worthy flicker]

like the whole dmr+auto set up with your homie

[junior latch]

lets say you run hel revo and revo

you can get revo 2 pen shots and then 2 kills on revo

[worthy flicker]

lets say youre a cowboy

[junior latch]

(this was also smth I mathed out on 25 dmg high cal)

[fringe garden]

ah yes, the "every special is good because sawed off covers its weakenessess" argument

[gaunt nacelle]

eva i should mine for the 184 alarm right?

[unreal crystal]

no sawed off is bad because it has no range

[junior latch]

I honestly cant tell you which zone alarm 184 is

which alarm in order is that

[unreal crystal]

I don’t think you ever bring sawed off into the argument cause it’s dumb anyway

[gaunt nacelle]

second

[worthy flicker]

no, sawed off is bad cause it has 4 shots and 3 tubes

[junior latch]

yea just mine 2nd

[unreal crystal]

Gun is a little overtuned

[gaunt nacelle]

aight

[modern coral]

But if I play sawed-off, I can't kill shooters across the room 😰

[fringe garden]

that's why you play scatter

[hasty bobcat]

me when i play 2 sawed offs

[worthy flicker]

gtfo akimbo mod when

[junior latch]

I prefer my hel auto scatter

31 mag

76 dmg

[gaunt nacelle]

id unironically play 2 sawed off if i could

[junior latch]

1 1/2 pen

[worthy flicker]

just quick swap between them?

ig you wouldnt even have to

[junior latch]

holy fuck scatter dmg is just obscene

reminder

scattergun gets more dmg per refill than a 100% revolver

[worthy flicker]

i wonder who on the dev team enjoys shotguns as much as they do tbh

[fringe garden]

i think an ammo stash mod would be interesting
every ammopack contains 1 ammo use per gun in the game (some maybe share)
and obv way less ammo packs in expeditions then

[junior latch]

thats (sadly) not how it works

[worthy flicker]

i know not every shotgun is good but the ones that are good are stupidly good

[junior latch]

if you remove all full autos

then shotguns dont stand out crazily anymore

[fringe garden]

then the average retention rate would double

[hasty bobcat]

what would be the worst shotgun

slug?

[junior latch]

choke mod

[hasty bobcat]

oh

[junior latch]

slug has niches

[hasty bobcat]

yeah fr

[junior latch]

choke mod is mega rolecrept

[hasty bobcat]

forgot that exists

ngl I have no idea when I would ever take choke

[junior latch]

remove scatter, hel gun and hel rifle

[fringe garden]

slug needs a small ammo buff and small damage buff and it's a good choice i think

[junior latch]

and it becomes competetive

also remove burst cannon

and its top 3 boss clear

top 2 charger clear

top 2 giant clear

[hasty bobcat]

eva i don't think removing half of specials is a good thing

[fringe garden]

give it like 8.5 per ammo and 24dmg and it's nice

[worthy flicker]

i mean sure, without people using bullpup sawed off wouldnt look so crazy ig. but scattergun is still this like, tool of annihilation among specials thats generally only limited in encounters by range, no?

[junior latch]

nah nah
sawed off and scatter are stupidly busted

I was moreso talking about slug, shotgun, combat and choke mod

[worthy flicker]

i mean

i think combat shotty is still qualifiably good

[junior latch]

the first 2 are busted cuz they got buffed for bad reasons

[hasty bobcat]

i can see using any of first threes

choke is just

[junior latch]

combat is a bit too much

[hasty bobcat]

it has no place literally

[junior latch]

tbf removing the top 4 weapons makes the weapon balance spread a lot better

[fringe garden]

versatility in a game where you get to take 4 specials isn't very valuable

[worthy flicker]

i think the shotguns are overall decent and i think the shotguns that standout are quite literally some of the craziest guns in game, is what i meant

id sell a small portion of my soul for slug to be like, truly good tho lmao

[hasty bobcat]

it's not bad ngl

[worthy flicker]

its not the worst thing ever

[hasty bobcat]

nah not even that

[junior latch]

idk why its range is so wack for bodyshots

then also worst ammo econ

[hasty bobcat]

i don't take it much literally cuz of ammo

but when i do it's fun

[worthy flicker]

i think its fun

but i dont think its worth bringing in any like, serious capacity over something else

i feel that way about many guns in GTFO tho

[junior latch]

its the best anti flyer main

[worthy flicker]

i did know that actually

[junior latch]

and uuuh is a niche but sometimes huge anti striker/shooter option

also scout takedown

lol

[unreal crystal]

It’s a quick swap weapon

[worthy flicker]

i know its a cardinal sin to compare mains and specials but id rather take a different main and run HCP if i wanted to use something in the vein of Slug

i would unironically run DTR/HCP every single level if i felt like i was reasonably capable of it tho

[azure creek]

Im going for the achievement of only pistols and revolvers is machine pistol and HCP a good pair for this?

[fringe garden]

hcp is good
machine pistol not really

[modern coral]

MP is fun at least

[azure creek]

I thought it was good

[modern coral]

and kind of underrated

It's not good, lol.

But if you did it w/ MP, you'd be based

[hearty lily]

Whats the difficulty like for r2d2 it dosent sound super awful, just a tiny bit awful

[hoary crescent]

-5/10

[hasty bobcat]

i can't solo it

[hearty lily]

ah balls

[fringe garden]

sky you can easily solo it

[hoary crescent]

no how do you deal with dying of boredom

that's impossible

[fringe garden]

if i teach you the strats you need less than 5 attempts

[hearty lily]

Well hopefully people will join when i do that one

[fringe garden]

if 1 is r6a1 and 10 is e2 r2d2 is maybe a 6

getting a team for r2d2 isn't hard usually

[hasty bobcat]

maybe i should learn to kite and not actually shooting everything i see

[fringe garden]

eh you can do it no (long) kiting with a little luck

but long kiting it is a lot easier

[hearty lily]

Hopefully lol

[hasty bobcat]

i got swarmed on code 7

[fringe garden]

yeah because you have bad strats probably

[hasty bobcat]

i was just holding in A

of that side room

das it

[fringe garden]

yeah hold B

[hasty bobcat]

if I hold b they come 5 minutes after

[wraith marsh]

A works

except for 10

[hasty bobcat]

A is rough ngl

[fringe garden]

nah you start in reactor for first 2 enemy waves and then you can retreat to B and it's fine

when 2nd wave has close spawned you just run into B and it's super fine usually

[fringe garden]

i don't think you ever want to be playing 196A solo ngl
you just have way to little space for the firepower you have solo

193A is much better

[wraith marsh]

its definitely not easiest but it made spawns work perfectly

and its doable

[fringe garden]

i just don't see why you'd ever pick it over 193A though

[wraith marsh]

better sightline

it is a scary corner tho yea

193 has room to run

[fringe garden]

maybe with hel gun 196 is comfier

[wraith marsh]

I kinda want to try it again with hel gun instead of rifle but

I think itll just end with me crashing out over code 10 again

[fringe garden]

iirc you said there just isn't time and firepower enough solo to kill wave 10 in time

[wraith marsh]

yea

[fringe garden]

how tight is it

[wraith marsh]

its probably doable but its like rly rng

[fringe garden]

is there a burst cannon angle

[wraith marsh]

I messed around with it a lot and I had 1 singular run where I cleared the instant code time ended

so I Cant say its impossible but its cooked

burst cannon should work

[fringe garden]

ok im going to try it can't wait to crash out over it

[wraith marsh]

you have to stay in reactor for as long as possible and cant do a B hold

[fringe garden]

yeah for sure

[wraith marsh]

so gl

[fringe garden]

i will try 193A a bit but holding downstairs i think it has advantages over 196a even if it is way harder

[wraith marsh]

it just sucks cuz you have to do the entire rest of the level just to throw yourself at wave 10

[fringe garden]

nah im just going to cconsole myself to wave 10

[shut vapor]

which level?

R2D1?

[fringe garden]

and then checkpoint like before wave 10

r2d2

[wraith marsh]

r2d2 yea

[shut vapor]

I always get em mixed up

Whats on wave 10

[fringe garden]

many enemies

[shut vapor]

😔

[wraith marsh]

the amount of enemies that spawn is more than any other wave on the level

by a lot

[fringe garden]

do you remember wave timings and what they contain

[azure creek]

What's the diff of r2

Just got there

[wraith marsh]

I dont but i Could go check

[fringe garden]

i just care about when the hybrids are queued and when the waves in general are queued

[shut vapor]

r2 is harder than r1 and will take longer

[wraith marsh]

0, 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5

[azure creek]

Crap

I'm gonna have to spend more time soloing now

[shut vapor]

just don't solo it

[wraith marsh]

24 striker, 3 hybrids, 24 striker, 3 giants, 24 strikers, 3 hybrids

[fringe garden]

there is no way it\s only 6 hybrids

maybe i misremember

[shut vapor]

thats quite a lot

[wraith marsh]

I think they can spawn in the regular wave b ut I dont remember

[hoary crescent]

6 sounds about right

[wraith marsh]

nvm they cant

[fringe garden]

alr ty

[wraith marsh]

the main difference is the addition of 24 strikers to the previous wave

[fringe garden]

i haven\t solod either wave or tried to before

i just always kite wave 9 and 10

[wraith marsh]

yeah thats fair

9 is already pretty hard

24 more enemies is just brutal on top of it

like the spawn timings arent even bad

[fringe garden]

hel rifle 1 mags the strikers trust

[wraith marsh]

they just all queue up

[fringe garden]

yeah it\s just a game of can you kill fast enough

[azure creek]

Friendless

[hoary crescent]

#lfg-beginners

[daring ginkgo]

you true soloing?

[azure creek]

Yes

Like actually soloing

[wraith marsh]

2:20 ish to kill 72 strikers, 6 hybrids, 3 giants

[azure creek]

I'm trying to see how far I can push my suicidal solo behavior

[daring ginkgo]

r2 will probably stop you

[azure creek]

Probably

I barely got past r1

Also why TF is r1c2 harder than r1d1????

Like wth

[fringe garden]

difficulty true solo and difficulty in 4man are way different

how the scale shifts when solo is just different between levels

significantly so

[daring ginkgo]

lvl tiers not always show correct difficulties

c tier can be harder then d etc

sometimes

[azure creek]

That reactor was so much easier than finding 10 partial decoders

[gaunt nacelle]

r2c2 is gonna be wose than r2d1 probably, both will suck

[wraith marsh]

I swear different solo players rank r1c1-d1 vastly differently its very funny

[azure creek]

Wdym?

[wraith marsh]

which one ppl find the most difficult varies a lot by person ive seen

[azure creek]

Rlly?

[brittle schooner]

thats crazy

[fringe garden]

alr i had 32 smalls left after plug time ran out 1st attempt

[wraith marsh]

average

[fringe garden]

going to do some other stuff but seems doable

[wraith marsh]

just a couple

I had an epic run where I held one of the corners of the rafters in reactor

but it was not recreatable when I tried more

[brittle schooner]

is it just people not knowing how 2 deal with shadows? i mean i cant rlly think of anything on r1d1 that would make it harder than c1

[wraith marsh]

I think its normally the alarms on d1

I think c2 is normally underrated

[fringe garden]

it\s heavily spawn rng dependent in my experience of soloing r4d1

[wraith marsh]

yea

but it was SO epic when it worked

3 way hold by yourself goes so hard

[brittle schooner]

hmm, i mean i feel like if you can deal with the waves of c1 solo, you should be able 2 deal with d1 alarms no? or am i missin smthin, i havent done r1d1 solo ever so i dont have experience on it tbh

[fringe garden]

attempt 3 8 smalls left at timer run out

this shit is hard

like really hard

[wraith marsh]

but its like

so close to doable

thats why its crash out worthy

[fringe garden]

im even cheating over here playing fullbright to hit easy pen

[wraith marsh]

and like

doing it in an actual run is just cooked

[fringe garden]

yeah because you have to clear wave 9 first

and then be in shape and prepped in time for wave 10

[nimble flower]

russian go play in team 522

[fringe garden]

how were you playing sentry chill

[wraith marsh]

I tried a bunch of different ones I Forget what ended up working best

[fringe garden]

if holding N/S maybe it's worth having sentry thin wave opposite side of hold

[wraith marsh]

I think it was mainly just the normal front bridge sentry

cuz it guarantees kills

[fringe garden]

mm

[wraith marsh]

I couldnt find a good way to guarantee sentry will be able to shoot hybrids

cuz they spawn rng direction

[fringe garden]

yeah only way would be having sentry with you

[wraith marsh]

the other one I tried a lot was hold in reactor till hybrids get there and then push back to 196A with sentry pre placed in there

but I dont think thats particularly good

the push back is too early

are you doing BC?

if so it matters a lot less cuz you just kill the hybrids

lowkey you maybe take burst sentry with BC

[fringe garden]

i\ve been running sniper sentry hel rifle since im most comfortable with that

but maybe burst sentry bc is the play

[wraith marsh]

kk, thought maybe you were cuz you mentioned it

[fringe garden]

ok bc feels kinda good

kinda gotta god mode into the striker waves (i didn't even realise they were so big when playing hel rifle pen op)

but the hybrids do just die

which is nice

[signal rock]

is there a unstuck button?

[lost lynx]

No

[tawny leaf]

donno bout you but alt+f4 solves my issues pretty often

[honest parrot]

Nah host disconnecting only works half the time

the safety net for dcing host isn't that good that you'll always be able to dc and get out of a weird spot

[tacit shoal]

mod for it

[magic escarp]

still not recovering from having been gotten with this on Battlefield Heroes as a kid

[lost lynx]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

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[fair tiger]

Is it a glitch if enemies stop spawning when reaching the apex door in R8E1?

[lost lynx]

nope

[fair tiger]

So can you go back and do secondary then?

[junior latch]

Just do secondary immediatly

[fair tiger]

Also is it a glitch in R6C3 if I respawn from checkpoint after doing overload and no tanks spawn?

[junior latch]

Yes

[lost lynx]

checkpoints break this game

[junior latch]

Checkpoints can often break the game

[lost lynx]

its somewhat common

[fair tiger]

I know you should do secondary immediately on R8E1 but is it possible to do secondary in R8E1 after the enemies stop spawning or no?

[rose nova]

it closes off i believe

it goes into lockdown

[fair tiger]

Also yes I know I have had my fair share of game breaking checkpoints especially on R7C3 overload

[lost lynx]

no cheesing for you

:3

[rose nova]

no cheese only secondary

is not that hard tbh it's more enemies only but if ur running away good u shouldn't notice much

apart from the flyers

[fair tiger]

I play with bots so I was wondering if there was another way to do secondary, can't get bots to actually follow me in time, they keep staying back and dying to hordes

[rose nova]

oh

no yeah bots is sort of main only unless ur goated

[lost lynx]

kick them
solo the level 😎

[junior latch]

its not that bad ngl

[fair tiger]

Lol I ain't no T-nenpi lol

[rose nova]

no but it's still bad with the multiple snatchers

cuz they just bline u

[junior latch]

Reminder that bots dont care about shadow gimmick

[rose nova]

maybs my skill issue

[junior latch]

snatchers are the 1 part thats scary yes

[gaunt nacelle]

Wait bots shoot shadows even when not biod?

[rose nova]

they do also fare a bit to the bbc gimmick too kdmskd

and the charger one

[rose nova]

yeah

they not sentries

bots do see them

[gaunt nacelle]

Huh

[lost lynx]

i mean

[junior latch]

Chargers nah

BBCs are too rare

[lost lynx]

a normal person can see them

even without a flashlight

[fair tiger]

TBH only trouble I am having is before snatchers because bots won't keep up in time and even when they do I can't do mines + cfoam with them and 3 sentries and bio is a hard loadout for the level

[rose nova]

idk i feel like i got the bbc spawns like clocked in which is one at the snatcher spawn, one in the room before that, and one two on the ending

[gaunt nacelle]

It’s hard enough for it to be justifiable that they wouldn’t shoot but that’s interesting

[rose nova]

which on the ending are devastating tbh

[fair tiger]

Is R8D1 harder than R8E1 main? I have way more trouble on D1 with bots than E1 cuz of chargers

[rose nova]

also that foam isn't rlly much of an option

unless ur quick with the menu

[rose nova]

nah

D1 is only hard cuz of the first tank

but all the chargers are stealth

there's only one instance of alarmed chargers and it's a V that's easy to funnel or mine

also i hesitate to say this but E1 might be easier than D1 in general

[fair tiger]

First tank easy, but you can't stealth giant charges with bots so I clear as much as possible then shoot but bots go down almost immediately and all it takes is 1 giant charger and its game after 90 min run

[rose nova]

gotta have the big guns for the bbc

i did the level with a burst cannon i think?

nowadays i would probs go scattergun

or hel rifle even

[fair tiger]

I did with choke mode shotty but scatter might not be bad

[lost lynx]

GTFO players when they hear the word BBC

[rose nova]

"even" as if it was a big deal

[rose nova]

yeah scattergun u delete the tank way easier

u can just have ur main for the rest of the alarm parts

[fair tiger]

maybe but with 3 bots running scatter makes alarms hard

[rose nova]

and scattergun loops to being good at the ending again

[rose nova]

don't give the bots- that

give the bots a burst cannon or a machinegun dkmskd

the scatterguns for u

[lost lynx]

no wonder you are struggling

[rose nova]

[fair tiger]

sorry my comment was confusing, its hard for me to run scatter with 3 bots on the team

[rose nova]

ohhh

[fair tiger]

not me giving bots scatterguns lol

[rose nova]

i meaaaan as long as u use ur main for the V, the rest of the alarms aren't much of a hassle

the III is very easy to foam

and theee zone alarm is, like the easiest one of the level

literally just funnel on the door

and it is easy they trickle in very slowly

[fair tiger]

Nah yeah full team scan easy, only hard part is slow clearing big room 2 times once with fog

Also I got a glitch and I recorded it too running 3 bots and the first tank spawned on the lifted platforms enemies can spawn and get stuck on

I left the tank there the whole match and won without fighting it lol

[rose nova]

tbh the second time u come back to that tile, there's about one if not two bbcs, so u can perfectly pull that by meleeing a scout and then shootin the other

[rose nova]

qwq where's that luck for me

[fair tiger]

Tbh first tank isn't diff at all

I just camp it around the circle in the room with the high-low ground and camp it shooting above its back until it dies

[junior latch]

You can tho?

[rose nova]

no but wouldve save me a hassle when i tried to take cool screenshots

kdmskd

[junior latch]

Get behind, get a limb break and charge again

Bots will get a limb break themselves most of the time and its basically dead

[fair tiger]

How you silent clear bbc's solo?

[rose nova]

i just like held it in the little platform in the... east?

[rose nova]

pfrerably u don't

bots just get annihilated

[shut vapor]

ill skissue

[fair tiger]

Nah bots are way to unpredictable to have it be likely

[rose nova]

tbh just- better to do it solo than with bots straight up but then it's a hassle of turnin em off and back on and reset their stats eh

it's like, 6 in the entire level not counting the ending spawn

i would not bother

[fair tiger]

usually it goes like me melee giant charger leg, all 3 bots run in and charge melee, BBC annihilates them, I tank whole room solo

[junior latch]

If the bbcs gets to hit before you hit a 2nd time then you need to hit again

[rose nova]

if only bots did like
that

[fair tiger]

I haven't tried much but from what I have tried I can't reliably melee a giant charger a second time before it either melee's bots or screams, but maybe its possible, even still you need 4 max charged spears to its back to kill which is really difficult if possible

[rose nova]

it's 3 hammers if that helps, tho bots just use a predetermined damage value

[fringe garden]

hammer.

[rose nova]

i think it's like, 14 dmg a bot? or 16?

[fair tiger]

U sure its only 3 charged hammers to a giant charger's back to kill cuz its 4 max charged spears for me

[fringe garden]

yeah and spear deals less damage

20*2*3 = 120

[rose nova]

spears deals 17.5 damage x 2 back damage

[fair tiger]

Back isn't considered precision multi is it, only head right?

[fringe garden]

17.5*2*3 = less than 120

[rose nova]

yeah

back is just back

[fair tiger]

so against chargers hammer does more damage, but also you have to get closer

[rose nova]

i mean close or not, u need to stagger it anyways

otherwise u just, fuck up one way or the other

[fair tiger]

I stick with spear, just cuz over my 1000+ hours I always main spear so

[rose nova]

so the range doesn't matter

that's gonna hey

hurt

[junior latch]

hammer is sadly just the best choice

And spear usually the worst

💀

Oh well and bot melee weapons dont matter

Since theirs is unique

[lost lynx]

bots are too op

nerf them

[fair tiger]

Another question, on the wiki it says 1 person can solo melee a nightmare scout while its c-foamed, but I tried with spear and can barely pop 1 tumor in time, is this bullcrap or am I tripping?

Tryna do R8A2 secondary with 3 bots and struggling with nightmare scout room

[junior latch]

tbf that level is easier if you just let them scream

maybe foam and kill one or two

Since you only need spawn cap of scout waves

[fair tiger]

You can melee kill a nightmare scout solo?

I've tried and can't seem to get it

[lost lynx]

foam, hit him twice, foam again, hit again

to prevent any funnies

[fair tiger]

Ahh double foam I was wondering if that was the way to go

[junior latch]

or just foam one
Shoot other
Shoot foamed one

Rush scan

tho tbh

that part might be easier without bots

[lost lynx]

its honestly the best strat even with a team
someone with the foam out in case they are taking too long

[rose nova]

yeah without bots sounds way easier

as long as u have some foam

me when running parts with bots

[fair tiger]

idk running through nightmare striker hordes sound like fun when on 20% hp man

[lost lynx]

believe in yourself

and pray

[fair tiger]

Lol idk I think tbh that I can just handle it with bots

[lost lynx]

double foam would be the way to go then

[rose nova]

there's no tools so you should, carey a big med entering the sec

not like u need to shoot much anyways and the bots can just hold ammo

it's just a V

u can get there then kick them

[fair tiger]

I tried just a couple of times from checkpoint and figured best strat was leave queen birther and first room with nightmare scout and 2 giants, do alarm, kill tank without bots present, then clear nightmare scout room. Only thing is it eats my ammo so I have to grind through at least 2 of the main shadow or blood door rooms for ammo to do it

Guess imma just farm until I get it right lol

U crazy if you think I don't need to carry ammo into secondary

Killing tank, and alarm, and waves spawned by nightmare scouts all together is more than 200% ammo on both guns for me normally

[rose nova]

u can probs do the tank with the bots, even if they go down

cuz even if they all die u still can revive and get their ammo

[fair tiger]

Yeah but if I take them off they can keep their health for final run or to help me with nightmare scout waves

[rose nova]

for final run they are more of a hassle cuz they will just hinder the full team scan when one goes down

really the strat there is trying to evade the shit

[fair tiger]

Idk I just don't think I can do both full team scans with so many nightmare strikers man

especially cuz by that point I'm guaranteed to have 20% health

I'm finna try both when I get there lol I'm just dropping back into R8A2 so

Wish me luck

[rose nova]

u create a lot of distance if u do ur route right plus u have one door to close and foam

oh shi

good luck

[junior latch]

If you have any foam (even just 9 blobs) you will be fine

especially if you safe both small doors

[fair tiger]

Thanks for the help. Lets see if it works lol!

Also quick question, do you play the game much anymore or no? I know you beaten every level and played lots so you quit the main game and doing modded or?

[lost lynx]

gtfo is bad

[gaunt nacelle]

gtfo is ba

[tacit shoal]

gtfo is b

[sharp siren]

Gtfo in b tier

[tacit shoal]

bro broke the chain

[rose nova]

good

[junior latch]

I still play, just not as frequently or casually anymore

Its mostly speedruns, challenge runs (pacifist currently) and the rare casual play here and there

But im still active with the game

[azure creek]

holy shit r2d2 was hard

i hated that

that reactor took years off my life

i had to spend literal hours clearing everything beforehand

then noting down every terminal

wth man

didnt help that i was playing it with only 1 other person either

[gaunt nacelle]

I think it’s the longest reactor in the game

R3A3 will take less years off ur life

[azure creek]

aw hell nah

another one????

how many of these are there??????

ik r8 has like 1 or 2

r2d2 reactor was already painful enough

heh

r2d2

star wars

lol

im losing my mind

[gaunt nacelle]

Uhm

[gaunt nacelle]

About that

…

You’ll be fine

[lost lynx]

A lot

R2D2 is around top 30 hardest level in the game

So

Get ready

[gaunt nacelle]

Tbh most code hunting stuff is better to do with more people

Bruh my username too long

[honest parrot]

R3A3 usually is the easier one

[lost lynx]

A3 should have been the intro to reactors

Not R1C1

[gaunt nacelle]

I cant do that one even 😔

[rose nova]

like why

by being harder in every way possible?

[lost lynx]

By at least teaching code hunt

And being more fun

[gaunt nacelle]

R3A3 with a more lenient time maybe yes

[rose nova]

me when the new player tries to do r2e1

r3c1 shouldve been the intro to error alarms

and chargers

[lost lynx]

💀

[rose nova]

🐟

fish u, shame

[lost lynx]

🫃 ?

[hollow owl]

r2d1 has got to be the most painful level in the game

it's not even hard, just really annoying

[lost lynx]

Not even close

[rose nova]

i mean, painful when slow

[lost lynx]

R5D1 is way way worse

[rose nova]

when u play it fast its kinda fun

[rose nova]

i think by r5d1 u know what ur doing good enough for it to not be, awful
its bad but its not awful

[lost lynx]

Yeah true

But R2D1 is not as bad as R5D1

Or annoying

NO ONE likes R5D1

[rose nova]

skill issue me when i go to the funny log room cuz fun

:D

[lost lynx]

"fun"

[gaunt nacelle]

Why do you think I have it in my name lol

[rose nova]

is r6bx really that good to be there

i think its a fine level but theres way better r6 stuff

[lost lynx]

Its a cool level

[gaunt nacelle]

First code hunt I like

[lost lynx]

The bucket

[rose nova]

r6d4 sweeps

[lost lynx]

It's the bucket slendo

[mellow hedge]

R6D3 also sweeps

[lost lynx]

The bucket makes BX the best level in the game

[gaunt nacelle]

Also I haven’t gone that far so it’ll prolly change