gtfo-chat

[junior latch]

#guides-and-reviews message
check this discord channel

[lost lynx]

You don't even know how alarms work and you want to solo

[junior latch]

your questions will be answered and your curiosity sated with the guides in there

[slim quarry]

listen.

[lost lynx]

You have a long path ahead

[junior latch]

I honestly doubt r1c1 was solod ngl

[slim quarry]

i did r1a1 solo

[rare wren]

With bots

[real monolith]

R1A1 is the first and easiest level in the entire game

[slim quarry]

so it just make sense that

[lost lynx]

Bots*

[burnt flume]

right 3 dead 4, living ceiling 6

[slim quarry]

i would do atleast alright

[brittle schooner]

its not

[lost lynx]

R7A1 is

[real monolith]

One of the easiest

[rare wren]

Can confirm

[real monolith]

Is that the full name

[burnt flume]

it is 2 different games

[rare wren]

When me and a friend tried for a free weekend we failed on R1A1 but did R7A1

[burnt flume]

i think people are also fond of shallow sand terrestrial

[real monolith]

Sounds dope

Thanks goat my goat

[slim quarry]

what does prisoner efficiency mean

[junior latch]

I know

But reminder. The weaponry to bots, the tool loadout question. The lack of knowledge

[lost lynx]

All objectives completed

R4 and beyond have optional objectives

[slim quarry]

ah right

yeah just having a look around

[rare wren]

@burnt flume I googled Right 3 Dead 4 before realising it was a joke

[junior latch]

Excuse me its healing ceiling 1/2

(also rhymes goated game)

[rare wren]

Then I googled Living Cieling 6

[junior latch]

Its healing ceiling 1/2

goat just had a small hiccup

[real monolith]

Oh ok

I cant find anything on google

[burnt flume]

hormone imbalance is bad for the brain

[real monolith]

Any steam links

[rare wren]

I'm not googling that one I'm not that dumb @junior latch

[lost lynx]

🤨

[slim quarry]

can u guys tell me why good people dont stealth as much when they go into new rooms

it looks like a diff breed from my perspective

also any tips on the terminal other then query and ping? its so complicated

[upbeat yacht]

most of the times it's still stealthing, it's just faster

[slim quarry]

really

for me they are bunny hopping+looking left and right none stop+ spamming flasshlight+ rushing in alone and generally spam ping with terminal

those are the type i see

[brittle schooner]

its usually "fast stealth" once you understand how stuff like long range aggro works and make full use of occi and back multiplier you can stealth significantly faster

[slim quarry]

oh

how does it actually work

[brittle schooner]

but also most lvls often have alot of ammo so you can just shoot, many times just shooting the room is better

[slim quarry]

since when u "fast stealth" ur gonna get 1 stealth kill but

often it will cost everyone to be aggro

so

does it depend on situation wise or is it just like that

[upbeat yacht]

there are ways to manipulate or know which enemy is going to "randomly" wake up, if any

mainly i'd say it's a matter of knowing how to use lines of sight and long range aggro to your advantage

[slim quarry]

i see

is the range of the monsters big if ur running?

[upbeat yacht]

i don't know the exact meters, it's not super big

it's easy to test out to get a feeling of it

[slim quarry]

because i see people crouching when their close sprint and kill and instantly stand stil

[upbeat yacht]

also running is not really required most of the times, and can be detrimental if you are not sure about what you are doing while stealthing

[slim quarry]

i see

but is it actually useful to avoid enemies

like

the tutorial

because

ive never seen anyone do that

[upbeat yacht]

because we are animals and killing them is fun

[slim quarry]

thats true aswell 😭

[upbeat yacht]

there are missions where that is not an option though, or at least it's not the good one 🙂

[slim quarry]

i see

i guess after that mission they evolved into whatever it is

can u ping loot with terminal?

because idk how to do so

[brittle schooner]

Its a bit complicated but ill try to give an explanation: basically when an enemy long range aggros, only that enemy will wake up, in addition, killing that enemy (the one who woke up from long range aggro) will not trigger more long range aggros (do note however, that enemies can still wake up from other ways).

Long range aggro will happen if: An enemy is within LOS, is glowing/heart beating, within a certain distance from you, and you kill or hit an enemy. (Do note that fulfilling these conditions only gives a high chance of long range aggro occuring, not a garunteed one)

With this in mind you can force long range aggro so that only the enemy that you want to wake up can wake up.

[slim quarry]

waittttt whattt

[brittle schooner]

there is alot more when it comes to lil interactions when fast stealthing but i'd be here writing all day xD

[slim quarry]

thats kinda crazy

theirs a chance for long range aggro?

[upbeat yacht]

there are really good guides on both terminals and advanced stealthing on youtube if you want to check them out

[slim quarry]

ig i learn smt new everyday

[slim quarry]

i see

alr

then

tysm

im kinda a newbie and been harstucking so it helps alot lmao

[upbeat yacht]

there is always something new to learn about this game

[slim quarry]

rightttt??? i learn so much everytime i play

its crazy

[brittle schooner]

this game is a massive knowledge check xd

[burnt flume]

i rage every month when we find out something new and stupid

[slim quarry]

gtfo feels like an iq test sometimes i swear T_T

[rose nova]

me learning that strikers have a x3 head not an x2:

:O

[rose nova]

more than an iq test just an experimental test, aaaan observation skill test

it justs asks u to look

[brittle schooner]

i still cant believe giant hs multi is 1.5

[rose nova]

see how much ur doing and how

[brittle schooner]

i thought it was 2 for the longest time

[rose nova]

it really is hilarious how they made the sniper so perfect for giant enemies

like it is always exactly the values it needs to be

[slim quarry]

thats true but i dont have enough game sense to do this alone somehow lmao

[rose nova]

i mean sometimes is as simple as "i wanna know how much damage gun does" and dropping to a random level to test

or trying to see what the funny numbers on the alarm means and trying to find patterns

[slim quarry]

true but

[rose nova]

of course some stuff is way harder- like the aggroes

but thats why we here :D

to help

[slim quarry]

the terminal takes alot of knowledge for me

[slim quarry]

i really appreciate it

[rose nova]

that- terminals get a lot of people stuck, its fine
usually its either ask about important commands, or just drop into a level and be at one for 10 15 mins to learn it

it is very very useful to get to know it

[slim quarry]

really gotta have good muscle memory for my keyboard for that

[rose nova]

pro gamer tip i think that if u write "Help" on it u can get some good tips about it

[slim quarry]

ivee been learning about if u type q and press tab it can automatically type the whole word for you

its a pretty neat feature for mid combat

(doesnt have to be q just an example)

[noble rose]

just put the fries in the bag

[slim quarry]

i wish

[noble rose]

🫂 come gamble w me

[slim quarry]

just a yapper

what do u gamble

[noble rose]

i play bj mostly

[slim quarry]

excuse me

[noble rose]

i dont really gamble

[slim quarry]

what

whats bj

[noble rose]

but yea i play roulette frfr

black jack

[slim quarry]

ohhhh

alr good

uh

roulette

the russian roulette?

or

[noble rose]

💀

bro going to the casino to play w his life

[slim quarry]

bro im fainted idk what im doing

[noble rose]

its the one hwere u bet on where the ball lands

aka throwing money away

[slim quarry]

ohhh that one

always bet on black

[noble rose]

real

nah dont gamble kids

really bad !

i gamble bc i can control myself

[slim quarry]

sadly im not a kid

[noble rose]

i can quit anytime

pls help me

[real monolith]

Gambling is dope youre just brainwashed

[slim quarry]

i gamble to fulfill my cheerful needs

[noble rose]

real

u only lose 100%, u always win 10000%

[slim quarry]

99% of gamblers quit before winning big ahhh

[noble rose]

touche

[rose nova]

i gamble u i can control myself
DAMMIT IT

[noble rose]

👍

go big or go home

taking out another mortgage tonight 🙏

not buying a house, putting it all on black

[wanton flame]

hey guys looking at installing some quality of life mods. does anyone know what site i should go to

[honest parrot]

The modded server

[burnt flume]

most people use the r2modman app which pulls from thunderstore
but make sure you're using actual qol mods and not cheat mods

[honest parrot]

#hc-modded message

It'll tell you what to do
And yeah what goat said

[burnt flume]

i will make fun of how small your bits are if i find you in my lobby using cheat mods

[honest parrot]

'Yeah guys I only have qol mods'
As you go around with a 200% damage buff on mg, infinite med pack and just melt everything

[wanton flame]

i was mainly hunting for the stackable holdables

[burnt flume]

oh fucks sake, glad I'm in bed

[real monolith]

Valid

[plush gate]

infinite mag pr r2e1

[gusty cradle]

You know, this is the only game I know where people absolutely panic when they get a large amount of resources.

[rose nova]

:3

the funny dark rooms

everyone panics on the same level teehee

[gusty cradle]

Vibes

[trim heath]

dark rooms are fine

I just hate fog

[candid elbow]

Real

[daring ginkgo]

dark room + thick fog + red lights is 💀

[wraith marsh]

@mellow hedge I think scatter is probably still better but sniper is good for a consistency pick

(also just have both)

[mellow hedge]

yeha

being able to kill big flyers is so nice

[wraith marsh]

how many big flyers showed up to work

[mellow hedge]

like 3 or smth

[wraith marsh]

dayum

productive day for them

[mellow hedge]

actually

we had another run before that had like 5

[wraith marsh]

jesus

[mellow hedge]

i was gonna kms

i didnt have sniper then

[wraith marsh]

im guessing that decided the swap lol

[mellow hedge]

but also we went for a 1 3 2

on terms

cause going 1 2 3 is kinda fucked

[wraith marsh]

fair

I dont quite remember enough of the level to discern but

every single time it makes me sad sniper got nerfed

wouldnt be such a struggle to make it fit into a run if it was in the previous state man

[mellow hedge]

pre nerf sniper would be so good

[burnt flume]

was thinking it may be fun to have old sniper in r4e1 runs but it's objectively worse than slotting 2 scatters 1 BC so you wouldn't do it

[mellow hedge]

and you just take pr now dont you

wait nvm

thats duos

im tripping

[wraith marsh]

thats the based no cfoam route

😎

if you were insane at sniping shadow giants sniper would be better, especially pre nerf

wouldve liked to force it for a few runs but r4e1 is zzzzzzzz

[mellow hedge]

sounds like a skill issue

[wraith marsh]

I never got to try it so we'll never know

cant be a skill issue if I dont find out

big brain

ego strats

[honest parrot]

that does not sound good at all

[magic escarp]

THAT IS SO REAL

[burnt flume]

would it? my rationalisations lead me to think scatter would be better than sniper in most sections
better for first tank kill
worse for hybrids/giants on 1st and 2nd scan
probably equivalent when pushing cells
better for big chargers(?) (if that even matters)
also feel it'd be better for reactor, with blood door and charger pull

for high then yeah, i can see a perfectly accurate sniper outperforming scatter, not sure if it'd impact boss kill at the end that much

sniper vs BC, that might be a bit closer but im not ever sure I'd want to play sawed off sniper for a speedrun lol

[low idol]

is it possible to matchmake?

been trying for 30min cant find anyone

[honest parrot]

Depends on what you're looking for and where you are

[low idol]

i started playing

[honest parrot]

Matchmake exists and is alive, but since we're out of sale and asia is getting ready for their mondays, you'll probably see less people around

If it gets too slow you can try to lfg here

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[honest parrot]

it's strange though most times matchmaking will just toss you to extremely hard levels if you don't get a match within 15 or so minutes

[low idol]

i didnt do any mission yet

but its giving me r5-6

[honest parrot]

Doesn't matter

[worthy flicker]

Tbh it's much easier to find lobbies in the discord

[honest parrot]

This game does that

Its matchmaking is cracked like that

[worthy flicker]

The matchmaker throws you anywhere iirc

Really likes R8 too

[honest parrot]

So you are actually getting lobbies, you just aren't getting the levels you want?

Is that what's happening?

[low idol]

if i matchmake from the rundowns screen it will matchmake any rundown? and if i matchmake from specific rundown it will only matchmake that one?

[honest parrot]

No

How it work is you choose what mission type you prefer and usually it just puts you in random ones anyways

[worthy flicker]

The matchmaker does whatever the fuck it wants

[honest parrot]

@pastel dagger can tell you more but that's basically the jist of it

If you want to do specific levels lfg is much better

Like doing missions from R1

The matchmaking system is better for random play imo

[pastel dagger]

i just choose any difficulty, english, i use voice, then communicate what level we wanna do

[worthy flicker]

I tried matchmaking a few times, asked about it in here, and was told to never use it again lmao

[honest parrot]

Host can change level if I remember right

[pastel dagger]

please dont be the "any level is fine" guy because u will get thrown at hard levels

be ready to matchmake several times because you or any other player can get kicked to main menu while looking for players

if you are 3 guys and cant be fucked put a bot with biotracker

[honest parrot]

that or cheaters
They aren't rampant but they are there

[pastel dagger]

at times u will encounter cheaters, do what u will, if we are close to extraction i send it, if not i quit and matchmake again

u could install archive to "ban" cheaters from entering your lobby, doesnt always work that way though, though it will highlight "banned" people

it doesnt ban them from being in your lobby it bans them from your mm pool i think

but they can mm into you

[honest parrot]

@low idol You got all that?

[pastel dagger]

figure out the ui so u can help other hosts realise they are hosts and if they are a clueless host depending on level chosen you can either hold on to your butt or leave and matchmake into same team lmao

or

its gonna be fine

overall have to figure out who the host is and communicate what everyone would rather do so host can change the level, and if they dont have the level unlocked then compromise somehow

also just hop on r.e.p.o instead

[low idol]

yes, also is there any way to upgrade ?

[honest parrot]

upgrade?

There's no leveling in this game, boosters are buffs that you pick up but they run out

[worthy flicker]

You can cosmetically upgrade if you beat levels

[low idol]

had 2 matches in a row where sound was bugged for whole team

[low idol]

like new weapons

[lost lynx]

You have everything unlocked at the start

[honest parrot]

Game's done, and all the weapons are unlocked

[lost lynx]

Theres no attachments or upgrades for weapons

[honest parrot]

Yeah maddox died so none of that

[lunar island]

this game only has one method of progression.

not getting your face caved in by the horde

[lost lynx]

We could have a foam sentry

:(

[lunar island]

I STILL WISH WE HAD THE MAPPER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSYJckIfi8
(0:29)

it is like a more badass bio-tracker

[lost lynx]

Omg like a lidar scanner

[mellow hedge]

Hmm

I played something recently with that

Something called hide and seek

[lunar island]

thats exactly what it is

[mellow hedge]

Teehee

[near stag]

foam tripmine deployer would be fun to play with

[fringe garden]

scattergun is good enough, we don't need a second miniboss invalidator

[slow gyro]

anyone help me r7b3 pls

[honest parrot]

Lfg in the chats for that, some of the NA/EU folks should be up for it rn

[junior latch]

@fringe garden the point is that if you intentionally go melee with sniper you are kinda trolling (its like playing high range high ground with scatter)

hence me saying the same thing with sniper is realistically just staying at high range and chillin

[fringe garden]

ehhh i guess

[daring ginkgo]

first attempt on r8b4, that cluster scans on sec is work of devil

[rose nova]

:D

[daring ginkgo]

soo, i watched video guide of this lvl

wtf is this, i am cooked 😂

[fringe garden]

nah you win these

[daring ginkgo]

only 4 lvls left and i can feel, that each one will be a big wall

all difficulty from r8 first half transported and added into second half

[hasty bobcat]

c2 is free

d2 is a bit scary

e2 is really bad

[tidal jay]

Me, getting cooked by R5C2:

Hammer can oneshot a shadow scout right?

[hasty bobcat]

yes to head

[tidal jay]

Anywhere?

[fringe garden]

e2 probably needs him to run burst cannon
scatter would be good but idt bots can do anything against ||kraken||

[fringe garden]

if you've finished reactor just full shoot the shadow zones tbh

secondary contains a LOT of ammo

[tidal jay]

I'm dying to mom in wave 6

We always get a delayed wave so it's mom + wave

Yesterday I was told to avoid that I need to defend inside reactor

I've yet to try that, I will later today

[fringe garden]

when is later (in how many hours?)

[daring ginkgo]

where you defending? if it is inside tank room yeah, wave take ages to come

[tidal jay]

In like... maybe 1-2?

[tidal jay]

Tank room, yes

[daring ginkgo]

i tried it once, it sucks

i stayed in reactor room after

[fringe garden]

alright then i can't join and help out sorry

[tidal jay]

Oh it's ok haha, no worries

[fringe garden]

otherwise i'll be back in like 8ish hours and could join

[tidal jay]

I'll probably throw attempts at this all day honestly

So if you see the invite in LFG NA, you're always welcome

No better day than Sunday to give it all I can

[daring ginkgo]

on r8b4 after doing sec, error spawn 3 basic or nm strikers?

[hasty bobcat]

3 nm strikers

it gets worse once u open main door

[junior latch]

D2 is unironically free for Darksaid if he plays the optimized bot strats

[hasty bobcat]

prolly ye

forgor that they actually think 😔

[junior latch]

the sec error is 3 nightmare strikers

the main error gets stacked on top of that, (2 giants, but also a wave of smalls)
be happy that its OMEGA nerfed in the current version

release R8B4 main error was legit one of the hardest parts of vanilla

[daring ginkgo]

i heard about it, what it was before nerf?

[junior latch]

so the error ramps up

before it started at a higher value (enemies spawned)
it ramped up faster
and it ramped up higher

you basically had a surge

very quickly

[rose nova]

depending on the time it might be nerfed

oops

i come in late

[pseudo sedge]

giga schizo before nerf, it didnt even felt good or something, it was just required to have hel rifles/hel gun

[junior latch]

nah you could beat it with machine guns aswell lol

[daring ginkgo]

[junior latch]

but yea pre nerf R8B4 was legit

like top 6 hardest level

and 99% of the difficulty was the ending

[daring ginkgo]

casual b tier xd

[pseudo sedge]

fun fact: i finished r8e2 before r8b4 secondary

[junior latch]

second half of R8 isnt the shown tiers basically

[rose nova]

oh how i wish r8c2 punished u in the ending with not as many resources ksmdkm

it wouldve made it so much MUCH harder

much more of a punishment for waking up every single room

[junior latch]

R8C2 is basically a stealth focused level for lots of it

[junior latch]

it already does this well enough ngl

consider that R8C2 is pretty long

[rose nova]

not rlly cuz no matter what u do, even if ur 000 by the end the ||charger room|| fills u for the end

[daring ginkgo]

well, it was my first attempt anyway on r8b4, so it was nonwhere near optimal, now after watching video guide i will prepare accordingly on tomorrow tries

[junior latch]

the charger room isnt the last area

lol

theres still like 2 things after it pretty much

[junior latch]

👍

[daring ginkgo]

i laughed at myself on T alarm before checkpoint with fog

[junior latch]

once you start R8D2, hit me up if you need advice

[rose nova]

||it is? the actual ending is not a new zone so the charger room by definition is the last area u discover||

[rose nova]

:D

[daring ginkgo]

"1/3 complete", do two more for reducing fog, yeah, fck this 😂

fog diving all the way

[rose nova]

dark gonna swallow fog like crazy and just bank on the bots

[junior latch]

oh you mean that charger zone

thats not bad tho?

R8C2 is a pretty clear D tier level

[junior latch]

no?

dont fog dive

its super easy to lower the fog

also a slight bit of meta knowledge

you can make that whole part super free

[daring ginkgo]

on second travelling alarm with terminals all over place?

[junior latch]

yes

you definetly dont want to go into the fog

you can completely spawn most of the spawns if you avoid the first trigger (its a lot of work solo tho)

[daring ginkgo]

why not

there are 4 use disinfect pack in next zone

[junior latch]

capped infection
you will die

to the waves

its so much

so so much easier

if you just lower the fog

[rose nova]

||so what i mean is, it doesnt matter if u actually wake up rooms at all cuz if u get to the charger zone with 60% ammo or 00 ammo, it has enough resources so it doesnt matter as u only have the ending left. if it had like a little less resources the punishment for not being stealth would shoot through the roof||

[junior latch]

it takes like 60 seconds max and the waves are nothing if you do it at the start

[daring ginkgo]

🤔

[hasty bobcat]

it does not have enough...

[daring ginkgo]

okay, i will try

[hasty bobcat]

shadow zone has more stuff

after

[rose nova]

thats true the actual alarm is like normal waves of strikers and couple hybrids

[rose nova]

||wdym, shadow zones barren of resources, and next is the charger zone||

also careful with the spoils

[daring ginkgo]

||it was funny, when Shaeffer yells at me, that i am traitor, i was like wtf, i didnt do anything yet||

[rose nova]

yeah its a lil weird the way its set up kmsdk

makes me think it got changed

[hasty bobcat]

??

shadow zone is literally last zone before mri

[rose nova]

lol no?
||blood door which goes into shadow zone, then charger zone, then ending||

[hasty bobcat]

oh u mean that

it's still shadow zone in my book

[rose nova]

uh well skill issue

[hasty bobcat]

okay white name

[rose nova]

ok red piss name

[hasty bobcat]

i'm on period

[mellow hedge]

That shit is 100% a charger zone

[tidal jay]

Can a tank be staggered by bullets, or only by bursting their tumors?

[rose nova]

bullets

but it takes a while

every enemy has stagger hp apart from like, the enemies than dont stagger which is like one

the funny squid

[hasty bobcat]

ik it's fully chargers i just call that side shadows in general

[calm sedge]

does anyone happen to have the r8a2 seco code

[rose nova]

https://andocas.com/gtfo/r8a2/

[calm sedge]

ty

[daring ginkgo]

should i reset on r8b4 until i get cell in zone 167? cell in zone 168 seems so much harder tbh, further from main door, 2 rooms instead of 1 inside, bigger space

[pseudo sedge]

cell in 167 is faaaaar easier to play

[daring ginkgo]

yeah, i just trying to do a route with cconsole and god mode and man, this double error is so brutal

feels like r7c3 warden protocol

i can already see, that getting first cell will be very hard

[pseudo sedge]

also u can see which cell is before u even drop into the level by opening the logs and searching for "zone ZONE"

[daring ginkgo]

Is it showing room too?

[pseudo sedge]

the cells in 165 and 167 are set always in the same spots

[daring ginkgo]

Really? Unexpected

[pseudo sedge]

checked it now, so is 168

[daring ginkgo]

Huh, same room same spot, is it only lvl with this feature?

[junior latch]

the crazy part is that its just multiple times more fucked solo

[pseudo sedge]

there might be another level with this feature... basically there is a setting in the datablocks which allows the zone to randomize cell spawn locations and for this level it is turned off

[junior latch]

cuz you cant defend outside, you actually have to push back into them to move 1st cell

[junior latch]

wdym checked it now

[junior latch]

its just set spawns

not that uncommon

[daring ginkgo]

Huh, well, i should utilize it, thx

[pseudo sedge]

checked logs, and it says that they forgot to turn on the funny setting xd

[daring ginkgo]

Bad thing is, cell in zone 165 is so far away

[junior latch]

since it ramps you could potentially deal with the brunt of that wave by having 2 sentries outside the door and then placing a mine on the big door (so the ones chasing die while you grab cell)

then push back out slowly

[pseudo sedge]

09:41:56.995 - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TryGetZoneFunctionDistribution returning FALSE!! We need more pre-allocated distribution data of function BigPickupItem in dim Reality in layer MainLayer zone ZONE168! You need to instruct the zone to spawn more of function BigPickupItem to be able to use the pre-allocated randomization.

[daring ginkgo]

I am thinking of using all different tools on this lvl

Or mine, bio, 2 sentries

[junior latch]

idk if cfoam is that good with bots

without bots its def the play

since you can just permafoam the big cluster

[daring ginkgo]

I think it will help with final part of main

Place mine, cfoam door, run

[junior latch]

honestly R8B4 might be the hardest of the next 3 levels for you ngl

[pseudo sedge]

quad foam and just find the funny ladder, turn fps to 20 and profit

[junior latch]

R8E2 is gonna be funny tho

[daring ginkgo]

Also class 5

[junior latch]

the waves just insta spawn again basically

[junior latch]

sentries deal with that perfectly fine

I dont think you should take foam ngl

[daring ginkgo]

🤔 i will try all tools first, then return to 2 sentries, if i will feel it is not enough

I can cfoam floor on surge alarm

To stall

[brittle schooner]

huh

[daring ginkgo]

Will use copious amount of tool but

[muted cypress]

I’ve done it with 3 sniper sentries 1 bio

I bring scatter and saw off

[daring ginkgo]

You cleared it with bots?

[muted cypress]

Yes with betterbots without aimbot

[daring ginkgo]

Ah betterbots

I think mine deployer is too good for this lvl

To skip it

[muted cypress]

Even with normal bots you still reap the benefits of bots bio ping and sniper sentry synergy

[daring ginkgo]

Yeah, i am always using sniper turrets

[junior latch]

honestly im interested in whether bots can trigger the trigger box for the 2nd t-scan

[daring ginkgo]

Isnt it just progress % trigger? No matter who stay on scan

[junior latch]

cuz if they dont its rly free to cheese it

nop

theres a trigger box very close to the start

if you trigger it a 2nd one spawns further down

and so on

if you dont trigger the first one

you dont get snatcher, hybrids or flyers

[daring ginkgo]

🤔

[junior latch]

We do it in the R8B4 speedrun

considering their usual interaction I think bots cant trigger it (which is good) but its good to check anyway

[daring ginkgo]

I am curious now, i can see it on video, right? Like there are a line, that you cant cross or something?

[junior latch]

also scan only scales up to 2 players

issue with bots is that you obviously will have 4 players in scan xD

[tiny shadow]

came to mind to ask from this, why in some levels like r6c1 do the bots randomly decide to go on a hike in the middle of the traveling scan?

[junior latch]

in a way yea

you can see from my/frosty perspective where he cant cross roughly
and from mine where me and Kenny cant cross on the other side of the trigger (also a fun parcour to get to the other half quickly, tho theres a faster and safer way)

[junior latch]

[daring ginkgo]

Ok, cool, time to check this video

[tiny shadow]

is it a bug on just that level or is it just bots being bots

[junior latch]

@daring ginkgo if you were wanting to use the strat youd probably

start alarm. Move it so you can touch and move it from the other side without triggering the trigger box
lower the fog on all 3 terminals

move around and come to the scan from the backside, skipping all trigger boxes

[fleet kettle]

is it r8b4? if so why skip all tho xd?

[junior latch]

hm?

r8b4 yes

you skip all by skipping the first

[fleet kettle]

yes

[daring ginkgo]

Bots working fine on T scans

Only bot with bio a bit fcked by this, if T scan is full team scan

He havent time to ping enemies

You can leave scan for brief moment, so bot will ping enemies

[rose nova]

the bot fucking off to run away its a bug but idk why it happens

[tiny shadow]

i thought it was a bug

[rose nova]

the bot fucking off running away its a bug

[daring ginkgo]

Wtf is this moment on 4:52, you start flying 😂

[pseudo sedge]

invisible wall moment goes hard

[daring ginkgo]

Fr

Okay, i got where is this trigger, will try tomorrow

[junior latch]

gl

[daring ginkgo]

Also 1m thing, after i complete sec i can lower fog? According to wiki i should put command on zone 155 which is pretty bad? Like who will go into almost beginning of lvl just for this🤔

[mystic moss]

you're gonna conserve a lot of health with it tbh

[fleet kettle]

you don't have to go to start of the level tho

you can save one command in 2nd t-scan travel room

[daring ginkgo]

You mean i should do 2/3 terminals for lowering fog on 2nd t scan room, put command on 3rd but do not activate it, then complete t scan while eating fog, do sec, come back to t scan room and use 3rd terminal?

[rose nova]

in a 4 player run it is like very easy, one player gets ligma'd and the others just hold while waiting feeding waves

3 bots wekk uh uh yes

[muted cypress]

Bots dont get infection so theres that

[daring ginkgo]

Well, it can actually be pretty good idea

[junior latch]

honestly you can just run to spawn if you rly want to
its only the secondary error of a few nightmares

you probably use up 1 max 2 ammo packs for it

but yea also not getting infection on bots

[daring ginkgo]

Bots supremacy

So many ways to optimize on this lvl

[wraith marsh]

itd be replacing BC, and you was a generalized you as I was considering this for myself more than anything (I play the BC role on no foam strat)

[burnt flume]

oh ya i didn't think you were talking to me about being insane at hitting heads

[wraith marsh]

yeye

itd be cool bc BC doesnt rly have anything cool to do in that run

best it does is shoot shadow scouts

which we have PR for

[burnt flume]

mhm

[bitter rampart]

Hey guys, new here but I've had this game and have been trying to finish all rundown solo since release. Does anyone think it's remotely possible to beat an E tier mission with just bots? I've gotten kinda close with R2E1 once but I don't think it's possible and haven't found any videos of it

[modern coral]

All of them besides R7E1 are very much doable

[burnt flume]

It's possible for a lot of levels

[modern coral]

R7E1 is very tricky if you aren't removing and re-adding bots

and the gameplay is generally degenerate compared to other E-tiers w/ bots

[burnt flume]

Badger has an old video of r2e1 with bots, RAJGema has a clear with bots, and so do I

[modern coral]

R7D1, R7E1, and R8C1 are the three that pose unique challenges for 3 bot runs

[burnt flume]

Idk if RAJ has the vod uploaded anywhere or if its being saved for a mega-edit, but i have my vod unlisted on youtube for r2e1

[rose nova]

its doable but why would u apart from personal challenge

[burnt flume]

Likewise RAJ and I have done r4e1 main only with bots

[bitter rampart]

I love challenges

[burnt flume]

R4E1 with secondary is handily possible, you simply need to play that

[bitter rampart]

So what do you mean by degenerate?

[modern coral]

Your bots will be perma-down for a lot of the level, and you have to maneuver them such that they don't get stuck targetting Pablo

[sharp owl]

I mean I personally enjoy playing solo if I’m not playing duos

[sharp owl]

Never trying r7d1 with bots again

Shits fucked

[worthy flicker]

I'm ngl I like A levels solo

Kinda peaceful stroll around garganta

[sharp owl]

6 minute clears my beloved

I wonder if I come back to gtfo if I should try getting 1000 r1a1 clears

That would be

Interesting to say the least

[worthy flicker]

I'm ngl

I feel like 100 would have effectively the same wow factor

[junior latch]

100 is pretty common

theres lots of people around that on a few levels

the highest clear number I remember is around 400 or so with R7D2s

[worthy flicker]

I'm sure but that level of commitment for R1A1?

It's not even fun

[sharp owl]

Its gtfo

[junior latch]

tbh if you rly wanted to you could do 1 R1A1 every 5 minutes

[sharp owl]

Is it ever fun

[sharp owl]

“Hey we gotta leave in 5 minutes”

“Alright lemme just do a r1a1 clear rq”

I mean if it was god optimized it would still be like 5000 minutes, not including loading times, gtfo bs and fatigue

[junior latch]

the 5 min include load for this

but yea fatigue

[sharp owl]

Also implying I play in a squad and not solo

I wouldn’t wish this

Upon my worst enemy

[junior latch]

could do 3 bots

but 1000 solo bot clears

[sharp owl]

Actually

[junior latch]

are mentally sickening

[sharp owl]

Eh

I’ve done worse

I’ve played war thunder

Realistically, the only reason It’s mentally sickening is because you most likely have better things to do

And also because humans were not built to stare at a screen imputing the same thing for hours on end

Maybe I’ll start tomorrow

[junior latch]

@unreal crystal 100% r6c3 or 100% full game

[unreal crystal]

I think 100% full game is more degen

Was that 100% r6c3?

Or was it just main

[junior latch]

just main

100% r6c3 33:31 is rough since you cant sprint ever...

we walked the whole level beth

no shove

no charged melee

no jump

no dash

[unreal crystal]

its pretty degen

[junior latch]

yea

[unreal crystal]

I think I’d lose my mind

[junior latch]

you gotta see the R5B4 (we tried it there too, didnt matter tho) ending

youd go crazy

[unreal crystal]

I shove a ton as well

So like

[junior latch]

I had my fingers off that shit

[unreal crystal]

The amount of shit I’d have to unbind

[junior latch]

kenny, tgb n co unbinded stuff

crazy 1 second time save
(it was mostly to get kennys clear xD)

[burnt flume]

mental conditioning

hypnotherapy

[pine root]

Can it matter

For the r7c3

Surely it doesn’t work

[mellow hedge]

it would only start to matter when you do the main bit 100% perfect

but maybe

[junior latch]

realistically any time you secure with perfect stam at the end (you gotta start walking once the error starts) i likely miniscule compared to the beginning and uplink

R8E1 on the other hand can in theory have a mild change (but also only very small as its a short run)

[rare wren]

Does anyone have ant tips for soloing?

I'm eating shit on the first alarm of R1A1

[high orchid]

what guns are you using?

[modern coral]

Very strat-heavy

I would just c-foam

and play multi-target guns

[rare wren]

@high orchid Either Carbine and CS or Hel Revo

@modern coral I am using C-Foam

[modern coral]

How are you dying, then?

After scans?

[rare wren]

Yeah

Just too many enemies

[modern coral]

Foam floor

And spam your guns more, you probs just want to full mag dump and reload CS for stability

You also have the option to run out

past the enemies

And get some space

[rare wren]

Is it worth running into the next room through the door?

[high orchid]

past the sec door, I would say no

[modern coral]

No, lol.

Go back

You can run past enemies

It is a very important skill that many players lack, unironically

A lot of players either fail to or don't even attempt to just run past enemies.

[rare wren]

I was trying to stay in cover yeah

[modern coral]

This is not a cover shooter, you just run out of the spot where enemies hitscan you

and stagger anything big

[fringe crag]

hi, any tips on how to pass level r2e1? I've been trying for several days but I always end up dying at the end

[modern coral]

What is "the end"?

[fringe crag]

on the penultimate alarm

[neon fulcrum]

Shoot for ya dear life, c-foam disposable trip mine, or kite

[modern coral]

Are you funelling small far door?

Very good funnel

Or do you mean fog scan?

[fringe crag]

im dying in fog scan

[modern coral]

Static 4, pubs, 3 bots?

[junior latch]

If its just to beat it

Foam yea

If you wanna get better at the game, sentry is probably the play ngl. Its how you get to shoot the alarm yourself

[fringe crag]

2 players 2 bots

[gusty burrow]

Take 3 sentries + bio and just use all 3 sentries facing the door

(Triple burst probably best)

You can do the extra blood door resource zone to stock up on tool to get all 3 sentries to full

There isn't a crazy amount of tool after that, so probably only aim to refill two sentries before the alarm after the fog one

[rare wren]

Could you clarify the last bit?

[pine root]

Just shoot better

Foam
Is a crutch but you can just shoot the alarm

[rare wren]

Is biotracker useless?

[pine root]

R1a1 isn’t the best solo level

[pine root]

In solo it can be weak

[gusty burrow]

Real quick can we clarify true solo or solo with bots

[rare wren]

True solo

For reference my main group is on R2E1 RN and I'm at like 75 hours

[gusty burrow]

Soloing the level with foam is going to test/train your ability to deal with a whole bunch of enemies at once and kill them with no time pressure. Basically just your ability to kite/survive while chipping away at a cluster of enemies.

[rare wren]

Is there a better one in the first two?

[fringe crag]

but doesn't not wearing c-foam make it much more difficult?

[rare wren]

Would there be a better way to practice general skill?

[gusty burrow]

Soloing the level with sentry is going to test/train your ability to prio scans, manage reloads, shoot with much more time pressure etc

[rare wren]

So take sentry

[modern coral]

R1B1 (do alarm path), R1B2, R6B1 all good sentry levels.

[gusty burrow]

For improving general skill, yeah its a bit better

[rare wren]

Alarm path?

[modern coral]

West is giants, north is scouts, east is alarms

[gusty burrow]

No.

Foam (assuming you're ladder foaming) cheeses one very easy alarm while making the final two alarms require very difficult strat adjustments.

You can just place 2 sentries on the alarm that is typically ladderfoamed and you'll fight like 6 enemies. After that sentries make the final two alarms very straightforward - you just place sentries facing a door.

[rare wren]

Why specifically alarms?

[pine root]

Because stealth is easy

Shooting is hard

Alarms you practice shooting

[gusty burrow]

Foam is a bad bait on R2E1 because it makes the easy part easier and makes the hard part harder, so you'll get dumpstered repeatedly during the actual hard parts of the level.

[rare wren]

Gotcha

[pine root]

I love foaming the ladder tho

[rare wren]

How far should you be before trying soloes?

[pine root]

You can start whenever

[fringe crag]

ok, I will try, thank you very much for the advice.

[rare wren]

Right, thanks

Are alarms generally all shootable?

[modern coral]

Yes

[rare wren]

And this is kinda just the best way to improve?

[modern coral]

Probably not, but in solo yes

Solo can be a good way to improve, but is not 1:1 for the rest of the game

[rare wren]

What's the best way to improve at the rest?

Like at team play

[mellow hedge]

Play in pubs probably

Or with people

[rare wren]

So literally just play the game

[modern coral]

Play good loadouts to learn them, etc.

Replay content that emphasizes a skill set you want to work on

i.e. reactors if you want lots of wave combat

[flat scarab]

I get carried for entire r7 r8 rundown with some friends, still couldn't beat c, d levels with random dudes

is this normal? still feel the game is tough

[mellow hedge]

If you got carried then yeah it’ll probably feel hard when you aren’t getting carried

[flat scarab]

the chad with small knife and big shotgun melt everything and run so fast

feels like they can run fast and shoot, need to learn some glitches

[mellow hedge]

Sus

Among us in real life

Sus

Sus

[fringe garden]

ehhhh the slide and shoot isn't really something you think of without hearing about it

if you're running around with knife and scatter and you're good killing everything fast makes sense if

[sand delta]

im having struggle to complete r1c1 soloing with bots

[honest parrot]

Are you holding the right spot

And what guns do your bots have

Those will determine your success more than anything

[noble rose]

oh jeepers creepers

im sorry for ur suffering

blud even reacted to his own message

[sand delta]

im usually holding in the reactor or on the bridge

[sand delta]

Hel shotgun, high calipor pistol, blade, and hel auto sentry

this is the setup for my bot

[mellow hedge]

hel shotgun is dookie on the bots

i would recommend main burst rifle

and specials either burst cannon or veruta machine gun

and take either 3 burst sentries and a bio or 2 burst sentries, a sniper sentry and bio

and make sure you give one of the bots bio

[sand delta]

bet bet ill try this out rq, thankyou

[daring ginkgo]

My time to shine with r1c1 copypasta, yay

Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"

a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand

the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.

when you start looting after the shooting, you have quite a lot of resources around you to spend as the code person runs out and runs back. and on longer warm up times for the later codes, you have enough time to run forward and loot in previous areas.

when giants spawn having someone with a good weapon for bigs like hel rifle is useful (especially for hybrids) as well as saving tool by only having 2 sentries down for most waves, saving it for later waves or the waves with Hybrids (4, 6, 8).

this is definitely a 3 sentry + 1 bio tracker level, and when you learn all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is in the game
Autosentry is in the game.

if you have a bot, they are a boss with the biotracker so give them that, and if you have three bots god go with you.

Also my personal advice, if you are new, do r1c1 with real people through lfg, or at least 2 players 2 bots

[blissful dome]

LMAO

[floral oak]

Just use 4 cfoams

Why you ask? yes

[urban dew]

I just got soft locked in a level and im host

Any ideas how how to fix we just did 3 err alarms on R8B3

[daring ginkgo]

What happened?

[honest parrot]

Leave and rejoin

Well either they got stuck somewhere or something weird happened

@urban dew You ok now?

[urban dew]

No

[honest parrot]

Rejoin the lobby, someone else will be host and you might get set back by a few minutes

But better than not being able to do team scans

If you need more help I'll be in HSU for a little while

[mellow hedge]

What happened?

[urban dew]

there is these huge pipe things that soft lock you if you fall behind it

[mellow hedge]

send ss

[urban dew]

its in a corner

[mellow hedge]

send ss in media

[urban dew]

join HSU

im streaming

[near stag]

Try spamming the crouch Button, Sometimes you can shimmy your way Out of it unless you are stuck between two shelfes

Otherwise there is a mod "freethyself" to unstuck yourself

[urban dew]

im stuck in a corner of two walls

Freethyself worked though so we good

[mellow hedge]

huge

[urban dew]

And we died anyways and checkpoint got deleted I think

[mellow hedge]

checkpoints are quite fucked with host migration especially

[honest parrot]

Sorry there weren't much better solutions avaliable

[silver spade]

your only option is to get better and not use checkpoints

[honest parrot]

Nah he tried some parkor and got stuck

[silver spade]

🐟

[honest parrot]

And he was host so we had to bank on host migration saving him since he didn't have freethyself

He got it in the end as you can tell

[hasty bobcat]

u should've just reseted

[mellow hedge]

HUGEEEE

MINE

<@&408548765599793173>

[vestal kernel]

Ty

[burnt flume]

I had a dream a few days ago

that i was forcefully made moderator in this server by tru

like what the hell man i never asked for that responsibility

[vestal kernel]

The final gtfo run-down

You must now mod the discord for a year

[rose nova]

i dont think ive dreamt with the discord server but i have dreamt several times with gtfo

[honest parrot]

I've dreamt about missing a hammer on a scout once

I think I hit the ceiling

[rose nova]

i dreamt about encountering sleepers outside

[sharp owl]

I didn’t think the gtfo brainrot could spread that far

[rose nova]

it can always go further

[shut vapor]

I want to dream about becoming dauda

[sharp owl]

Don’t you dream about greg tech

[shut vapor]

don't need to

[rose nova]

dauda my beloved

[daring ginkgo]

Hacknett>dauda>bishop

[shut vapor]

[sharp owl]

Wow no fucking woods? Smh blocked gg

[daring ginkgo]

Woods on another lvl

[shut vapor]

of trash

[real monolith]

I have wood

Hate

[sharp owl]

time to start 1000 r1a1 runs

[worthy flicker]

Godspeed

[daring ginkgo]

leave those poor sleepers alone pls

[sharp owl]

no.

@junior latch whats the wr for r1a1?

@mellow hedge got HSU right behind the terminal and keycard infront of it

[mellow hedge]

runs on speedrun.com cant use bots

[sharp owl]

not set seed

nah doing

[mellow hedge]

d hsu?

[sharp owl]

1000 r1a1 runs

[sharp owl]

I believe so

[mellow hedge]

send log file

its a 33% chance for d hsu

b hsu is what you want

but its a 1.27% chance

[sharp owl]

lwait no

[mellow hedge]

and you want front b

[sharp owl]

lemme

find my log

[mellow hedge]

so its 0.635%

[sharp owl]

wait

I might need to check

[mellow hedge]

hmm?

it should just be the latest log

after you closed the game

[sharp owl]

I wasnt runnin vanilla

[mellow hedge]

doersnt matter

i just wanna check key

[sharp owl]

holy

alr

[mellow hedge]

also wr for r1a1 solo is 4:56

[sharp owl]

DAMN

shit where di I find my most recent file

[mellow hedge]

C:\Users\YOURNAME\AppData\LocalLow\10 Chambers Collective\GTFO

[sharp owl]

I know that

[mellow hedge]

when you closed the game that the session you did the run in is in itll make a file

so sort by date modified and itll be the time you closed the game

[sharp owl]

alright

it should be something like GTFO.2025.X.X right

[mellow hedge]

yeah

[sharp owl]

Thats weird then

The last file I have is from 2024

[mellow hedge]

did you sort by date modified

[sharp owl]

I did

My player.log

was modified

but

[mellow hedge]

send ss in dms

[sharp owl]

alr

[junior latch]

They can

[mellow hedge]

huh

damn

[junior latch]

They just count as players

[mellow hedge]

i did NOT know that

[junior latch]

So never worth

[mellow hedge]

also verify my run

[hasty bobcat]

huge 4 man 5 minute run

[junior latch]

Which

[mellow hedge]

solo

[junior latch]

It wasnt even on the board 7 hours ago

ask tru

[mellow hedge]

😔

i just submitted it

lazy verifiers smh

[junior latch]

Can we ban this guy?

[hasty bobcat]

when do we get gtfo 100% verify eva

[sharp owl]

Ping key_green_10

[junior latch]

2035

[hasty bobcat]

figured

[fossil horizon]

Oi I can't believe Eva torn apart NDA and told everyone the release year of DoW

[stark idol]

Okay light orange name tag

[daring ginkgo]

it actually worked, bots didnt activated first trigger

[daring ginkgo]

this is not worked

[gaunt nacelle]

Smth smth wrong terminal smth smth move to zone 184957298585

[stark idol]

Something something cry about it

[daring ginkgo]

nvm, if you activate 3rd terminal and leave mid progress and THEN come back after doing sec it worked and reducing fog lvl

[sharp owl]

something something I hate this game

[gaunt nacelle]

Smth smth this game is torture to solo

[daring ginkgo]

@tiny shadow about r6d3

since you play duo it should be easy with strat i used for pe clear

it includes some kind of cheese, but hey, it is following game rules in some way xd

[tiny shadow]

i dont know enough about this games cheese starts yet 💀

[mellow hedge]

why

would you cheese ur clear

[tiny shadow]

i mean i wouldnt

exactly why i dont know how

[mellow hedge]

what cheese?

[daring ginkgo]

just hear me out okay

[brittle schooner]

im assuming alarm cancel

[mellow hedge]

thats not really cheese

i do that in normal clears anyway

and speeds

[brittle schooner]

depends on what u qualify as cheese ig

[daring ginkgo]

first thing you do is do first part of main obj and deactivate first error, then you do reactor

then 15 min timer starts until endless surge, meanwhile you go into overload sector, clear enemies and w8 until 9 min mark

then you do ov objective, run to terminal where you deactivate second error and w8 until timer reach 0 and endless surge starts and deactivate both error from OV and endless surge from main

then you can do sec obj freely without time limit

[mellow hedge]

that is very wacky

never thought about doing it like that ngl

[daring ginkgo]

i still dont know how to specifiy "cheese" termin in gtfo

[mellow hedge]

personally i think that things like door bug and shit are cheese

[tiny shadow]

bruh how the hell do you guys find these types of things

[mellow hedge]

and cheese spots

like where you cant get hit

[daring ginkgo]

i did this because:

• i dont want to do reactor with fog
• i dont want to have time limit on sec

sec with fog but without time limit is fine

[mellow hedge]

it would happen eventually

you should see the glitched r8e2 speedrun

[vernal nebula]

The amount of cheese I saw when pubbing for my first R2E1 clear... lmao

[tiny shadow]

i heard shortly from a spiff e2 vod of kenny mentioning something about sentry clipping (?)

[mellow hedge]

idk what you mean

[daring ginkgo]

i found out it on r5e1, when someone in chat said, that i can deactivate both door alarm and 2nd error with same command

[daring ginkgo]

this

[mellow hedge]

there was a thing in og r1 where you could put sentries through doors

[tiny shadow]

idk, i have no idea how you guys do things

[brittle schooner]

i think we had this discussion before but IDR if u were a part of it, ill ask anyways, what about ladder foam, do u think is cheese or nah

[mellow hedge]

its like semi cheese

you can cheese levels with it

but its not like it makes every level with a ladder trivial

and sometimes its just worth not doing it

[fleet kettle]

But does partially the same as Perma foaming door. Although on door you spend less foam overall

[tiny shadow]

nice

[daring ginkgo]

then i start experimenting on r6d3 and managed to create this strat

[mellow hedge]

yeah deactivate commands just deactivate any error

[brittle schooner]

u see this is where i feel like defining cheese is wonky

[burnt flume]

ladder foam is a time-limited doorbug

[tiny shadow]

ooooohhh i see

whack

[burnt flume]

any alarm you mean

i mean hell, r2c1 you try and uplink cancel the scout wave from spawning...

[mellow hedge]

alarms are just errors you finish with scans

[upbeat yacht]

the way i see it, ladders were never meant to be used in conjunction with foam, doors were

[burnt flume]

ladder foam is time limited doorbug

[mellow hedge]

the main thing with ladder foam is you dont have to be there for it to work unlike permafoaming

[burnt flume]

no way they wanted you to use a menial amount of cfoam and cap fps and be free from enemies for 5 minutes lmao

[brittle schooner]

at that point i'd argue its the same with alarm cancelling

[mellow hedge]

they made ladderfoam a lot less effective WITHOUT frame limiting

[brittle schooner]

im pretty sure that is not intended

[mellow hedge]

i believe in r8

[brittle schooner]

so why do people consider one cheese and the other not

[mellow hedge]

I mean in our interview one of the devs said oopsie to the r7d1 room scan cancel lol

[upbeat yacht]

i think it's because alarm cancels are limited due to their nature, compared to the much more present ladders

[burnt flume]

alarm cancelling is more like finding a novel application for how something internally works and the application of which often requires some strange routing, while ladder foam is more along the lines of completely invalidating something with barely any effort and requiring no sacrifice

[brittle schooner]

i think i remember people talkin about that but what was exactly said?

[mellow hedge]

"yeah my bad"

[daring ginkgo]

i feel like alarm cancel on r6d3 ( specifically surge cancel ) is a semi-cheese, cause you cancelling one of the gimmick of lvl, something like that

it is not breaking lvl like doorbug but make things much easier

[mellow hedge]

you can cancel the surge on e2 as well

the thing is its pretty much never worth it lol

[mellow hedge]

should ladderfoam be banned in glitchless then?

because you cant really ban frame limiting you have to ban ladderfoam

the frame limiting isnt the issue its the ladderfoam

[brittle schooner]

hmm i mean i do agree with the strange routing being needed sometimes, but if something is more diffcult to do i dont think it makes at any less of a cheese tho no? for example if the timing for doorbug was alot more frame perfect, would u still consider it a cheese or no?

[daring ginkgo]

what is frame limiting?

i mean how it will affect game if you lower you fps?

[mellow hedge]

cap ur fps in settings

it basically makes ladderfoam 100% consistent

it can also be used in things like huge baby waves and they just cant hit you

downside is you play on 20fps lol

[daring ginkgo]

[mellow hedge]

also only host has to do it

[mellow hedge]

doorbug is a way bigger cheese than anything like that tho

you get rid of enemies for the whole level except for room enemies

[brittle schooner]

frame limiting on multiplier games is so broken lul

can do some wack shit with it

[brittle schooner]

alarm cancel on r8e2, you are essentially deleting what is arguablly the hardest part of the lvl

doorbug is still more broken tho ofc

[mellow hedge]

doorbug means you dont fight any alarms or reactor

or scout waves

[burnt flume]

considering that jumping more than once after picking up a heavy object is technically banned, yeah sure i don't see why not, it's in character i guess?

idk im gonna go cook dinner

[mellow hedge]

even more broken on e2 cause tp gets rid of queued waves lol

[mellow hedge]

ladderfoaming doesnt make you faster

also its only used in one level

so could just fight another tank

i think it would cause a bit of outrage tho

[burnt flume]

or swap to 3 sentry strat

[mellow hedge]

ngl idk what 3 sentry strat it

and idk what it does

[junior latch]

those are exploits

[mellow hedge]

all exploits are cheese but not all cheese are exploits

[junior latch]

its at minimum cheese

[mellow hedge]

chicken egg egg chicken

[wraith marsh]

youll see soon

it does skip the second tank still

ladder foam getting banned would be based as hell but unnecessary I think

[burnt flume]

yea even w/o ladder foam you probably still cap fps and close doors

[mellow hedge]

I think this should not be allowed

in glitchless

[burnt flume]

ok fine then we'll go back to not capping fps and having ladder foam work anyway, albeit less consistently

or swap over to 3 sentries and have PR hold reactor

and just play without fps

or turn in game settings up, or have whatever open in the background

[mellow hedge]

it will actually be so sad if it turns into that

ngl

[burnt flume]

It's what TC did, have someone with worse fps host and open 100 chrome tabs

at least for og

as above, so below

[wraith marsh]

There's no way you guys do that

[mellow hedge]

i hope not LMAO

[junior latch]

this doesnt even remotely do enough tbf

[junior latch]

already been decided by a community vote before that its kept in glitchless aswell
(adding that I was the one putting it in to be voted to be moved or not)

[mellow hedge]

cringe smh

[junior latch]

thats disgusting

[wraith marsh]

They rly were fake elitists the whole time God damb

[mellow hedge]

TRUE

[gaunt nacelle]

wait what does this do?

[burnt flume]

nothing that you need to worry about

[gaunt nacelle]

fair enough