gtfo-chat

[stark idol]

(Or like 3 and a biotracker, or do something else, I can’t stop you)

[mellow hedge]

r1a1 with mines and cfoam is like the easiest shit ever

[stark idol]

Real

R8A1 is also pretty easy

That first class II isn’t real, a little baby scan

[junior latch]

I always remember r8a1 as horrible for it

Then i remember that the challenge run I did on it was only tools

and that explains the rest

[unreal crystal]

They should’ve added a ladder tool

So you can place a ladder for the strikers to path down

And then your friend can cfoam it

[mellow hedge]

TRUE

[real monolith]

They should've added gp-31 ultimatum

Generational wave clearer

[silver spade]

SHUT UP

God damn ladder abusers

[quasi pine]

[quasi pine]

clever use of game mechanics

[thorn monolith]

Thanks for the tips, tho I asked if you can do it solo or will it not count as achievement. Most likely not since it doesn't say alone. Also I'm sorry, I should've been more specific with my question.

[compact folio]

. though bots don't work

You can do it solo without bots

[slender flare]

Suddenly all of the levels got easier

[tidal jay]

Killing mom

Ah how can I explain this

We don't struggle "killing mom" as she's easy to kill

The room is just so big, and she's so fast

We didn't bring Cfoam, so she was running around like crazy

[honest parrot]

Either wait for her to scream and start birthing, take hel shotty/ hel pis and help with baby clear while you scatter her at the back

[tidal jay]

So much so we had to eat a second wave and fight a second mother, which ended up killing us

[honest parrot]

Or just have someone ignore everything and focus on mom specifically

[tidal jay]

I did, I tried, I was the scattergun

But I couldn't get close to her

[honest parrot]

Did she run away from you?

[tidal jay]

It must've been skill issue on my behalf, but there was another scattergun who couldn't get shots in either in time

[tidal jay]

Yup, always

[honest parrot]

If you find that difficult attempt to manipulate her into the open
She only births once she has line of sight on someone

[tidal jay]

It was the most frustrating mother encounter I've had

[honest parrot]

And since she can have los really far on that map you'll have to try and get her to a good spot in order to kill her proper

Then again, it's R5c2
It sucks half the time anyways

[tidal jay]

We camped the Tank room and waited for her to approach but she just never did

So we had to run out to get her, soon as we did babies came along and we took lots of damage

Again, we killed her

But with like 30 seconds on the clock

So second mother was on her way

[honest parrot]

If it's reactor mom just wait for her to show up

[tidal jay]

Yeah that one

We haven't gotten to overload yet

Does she have LoS through the floor grills?

Like

Can we stand on that platform in the middle and hide?

Or does she see us through the grill?

[honest parrot]

Probably not

r5c2 pe is bound to be painful anyways

So don't worry about it

[tidal jay]

I'll attempt again tomorrow, I'm not gonna let this thing beat me

But damn was that frustrating

[honest parrot]

If you think that was frustrating wait till you see overload

[tidal jay]

I am not excited...

[vernal nebula]

Try defending in the reactor zone instead for the last wave (or more if possible), Secondary is very buggy for this map if you don’t.

[honest parrot]

Can you even defend any other parts consistently?

[fringe garden]

in r5c2 reactor dealing with late spawns is easy since codes don't require teamscans. holding in tank room is fine, just have 1 person grab code asap while rest deals with stragglers

[vernal nebula]

I think the issues are at it's worst on the last wave, earlier waves typically only have a small handful of stragglers or just 1 at most.

[junior latch]

honestly just get somewhat close and rush her
2 players can easily delete the babies while you kill her with scatter
save time and you probably fight babies anyway

[graceful geode]

If you are going for PE I'd really advice you to do Overload BEFORE Secondary since Overload is way harder than the reactor

I mean unless you cheese the Overload by running away

[junior latch]

honestly doing secondary first leaves you with more ressources

[graceful geode]

or whatever the trick was

[junior latch]

its easier to do sec first
but in og people did overload first since it was the most likely wipe point

[graceful geode]

Eh I never died at Overload for low res

I usually got bonked by BBCs or fucked up some other way

[honest parrot]

It's sort of a tie on stuff

[nova swallow]

Any suggestions for a level with an early tank for the achievement?

[junior latch]

early awake or you want an asleep one

[tidal jay]

R4E1 has the earliest tank I can think of, but it's awake

[graceful geode]

R8B1's tank sleeps and is free

[junior latch]

depends on how deep you are in the game too

R8D2 is the fastest tank thats asleep

[nova swallow]

ye awake is fine

[junior latch]

R4E1

you even get to retry every 4 min

[tidal jay]

Yeah R4E1 mf just runs at you

And it's error

[graceful geode]

I mean R4E1 is certanly fastest

[nova swallow]

Yup thanks to all of you

[tidal jay]

God I still have R4E1 Ptsd

What a level

[nova swallow]

Also need the achievement with a quick mother kill. Where to do that?

[junior latch]

R6D4

R3B2

[graceful geode]

R6D4 is the closest I can think in terms of how quick to get to it

But it's behind a blood door

[junior latch]

R6D4 is fastest generally

[graceful geode]

and has an error

[junior latch]

R8E2 can be faster in theory

easiest is def R3B2 tho

[graceful geode]

Yeah

[junior latch]

you get there in like 10 min tops

and then shes asleep

[burnt flume]

a great level indeed

[graceful geode]

R3B2's 2 alarm away but it's like 3 sleepers with it and a giant room

[nova swallow]

Alright thanks again

[fringe garden]

people are forgetting about r6d2

[honest parrot]

(why)

[fringe garden]

ig it isn't sleeping in r6d2

[vernal nebula]

There are sleeping mothers in that level

[junior latch]

oh wait I said R6D4 twice

mb

R6D2 is fastest generally

is what I meant to say

[fringe garden]

alr ✅

[tidal jay]

A good 2 months stuck there

I know R4E1 like I know my house

(Layout)

Not the bugs or that sorta stuff

[honest parrot]

Is R4E1 that bad
usually when i do it I simply forget about what happens

[tidal jay]

No

It's not that bad of a level

But it requires you to be good at certain things

Secondary is a reactor that requires code diving while others defend

Most wipes usually happen there, either divers made a mistake or the defenders get overwhelmed and mothers wake up

If both parties manage to do their task successfully, you're likely to finish the level without problem

There's just a Tank and Mom at the end

You gotta separate them because fighting them both at once is just risky

I know people can do it, but they're not your typical pub party

[stark idol]

I love R4E1 my beloved

[lost lynx]

Get that anime girl out of this chat

[upper loom]

Ok anime pfp

[lost lynx]

:(

[burnt flume]

you may instead remove yourself from this chat

[upper loom]

R4E1 stinks

[lost lynx]

Wdym

Fire level

[tidal jay]

I hate it so much I've grown to love it

R4E1 made me

The player I was before and after R4E1 are NOT the same

[upper loom]

The way R4E1 should’ve been imo

Should be

[honest parrot]

similar to how r7e1 made pablo

[upper loom]

Tank error is constant

[lost lynx]

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[tidal jay]

Good

[upper loom]

Like forever

[lost lynx]

No Nickle, this isnt your average modded rundown

[upper loom]

The part after cells is so boring

[tidal jay]

My level as a player increased dramatically when I had to tackle R4E1, I'm still by no means good at the game but I'm way better than I used to be

[vernal nebula]

My first time clearing that level was also my first time solo code diving lol

[upper loom]

Okay okay

No tank error for secondary

[lost lynx]

I prefer to go solo than having to worry about a 2nd person fucking it up

[upper loom]

It stops for reactor and continues when you finish

[lost lynx]

Omg anime girl dancing

[lost lynx]

Now thats way better

[honest parrot]

Reminds me of the time pablo had me take a newbie to R4E1

Good times

[lost lynx]

ME?????

Oh wait yeah i think it was me

[tidal jay]

Who's Pablo

[lost lynx]

Hello

[upper loom]

I just think there needs to be some kind of pressure to get the bulkhead key faster or something

[tidal jay]

Hello Pablo

[upper loom]

I feel like the fun just dies as soon as you put cells in and the error is gone

[honest parrot]

Somehow I managed to get two other decent players for it too

[upper loom]

Tension dissappears

[honest parrot]

If I didn't do all of that for a meme we could've probably finished main

[lost lynx]

Tbh i can see why they did that
The average player would need some time to calm down and take it easy

After the mess that is the intro

[upper loom]

Sounds like some pussy shit

Make the level messier

[burnt flume]

you gotta find some new pubs to play with

[honest parrot]

Besides if you get lost in the level the tank drains your ammo

And you almost certainly die

[burnt flume]

or idk push the limit speedrunning or some shit, eat a 2 use medi and then run past 5 shadow giants to go plug key

[lost lynx]

I am a pussy then

[burnt flume]

or

[lost lynx]

This

[burnt flume]

hop on og r4e1 duo

[honest parrot]

no

[burnt flume]

i hold reactor you go codes

go go go

[lost lynx]

The average pub/team already has trouble in R4E1

[honest parrot]

don't do that

[lost lynx]

So i think the level is fine as it is

[burnt flume]

0.6s reload hel rev with 5 pierce

burst cancel

[upper loom]

🥹

[burnt flume]

insane sniper sentry

small sustain scans taking ~50 seconds

you know you're in for a good time

[upper loom]

Half of them get carried tbh

[tidal jay]

I have trouble in R5C2 lmao

[burnt flume]

i was feeling like pubbing r4e1 earlier

[upper loom]

I blamw @burnt flume

[burnt flume]

instead i went and got ice cream and continued sitting here with my girlfriend

[upper loom]

r4E1 clear inflation bc of goat

[burnt flume]

hey blame other people too

[lost lynx]

Yeah, like you

[burnt flume]

vozy has done lots of runs

[lost lynx]

:)

[burnt flume]

simon has but fuck simon

[upper loom]

I cleared it with a static

I dont wanna hear it

[lost lynx]

Poor team had to carry

[upper loom]

First clear was 3 hours

God help us

[lost lynx]

Hey thats good

[tidal jay]

For R4E1?

[upper loom]

Yes

[tidal jay]

Yeah that sounds about right, you cleared it with 3 people?

[burnt flume]

my first og r4e1

[upper loom]

4

[burnt flume]

3 hours to die to pmom

then 3 more hours to run it back and win

[tidal jay]

I only ever got to Pmom 2 times

The 2 times we made it we won

Every single wipe was secondary

[upper loom]

Me when my gtfo gaming session becomes a workday in the complex

[tidal jay]

2 months worth of wipes

[analog flicker]

Clear the objective stack ahh

[stark idol]

You need a competent code runner

I can offer you my services for $200 septrillion dollars

[tidal jay]

Nono we've beaten it twice

Thanks tho

[real monolith]

I need r1b1 carry asap

I mean r1a1

I will NOT pay you do not ask

I am also a paraplegic

[rose nova]

one of the reasons i think r5 is so tremendously different from r1-r4 is cuz they knew they didnt had much new things to show, so they really wanted to make it up with very funky style missions a la e1 d2 maybe even d1 with the returning to the past mission

i just started thinkin about that and it made sense to me

but it also inadvertently blew up the tendency of new and funkier missions, thus making the bases for r6, r7 and eventually r8 having all way different styles of missions than their older counterparts

in a weird way, 10c close bankruptcy in r5 really made the game blow up in a creative rush like crazy

[lunar island]

close bankruptcy?

do tell

[rose nova]

10c with their fomo like structure and no dlcs or microtransactions as an indie company well did what it did, and they were partially bought by tencent by r6

i believe they talked about how tencent let them did anything, but suggested lowering the difficulty, which they did with r6, and its also why it is as grand

[lunar island]

do you have a vod or something?

i'd like to hear more about this

i played ogr1 to about half way through r3, then skipped 4 & 5, came back for 6

[rose nova]

oh i have no idea where i saw it, its been way too long i researched it like a year or so ago

no wait i kinda remember

the issue is that i think the vods not available any longer

cuz it was a twitch vod with a spanish streamer interviewing a dev
goddamn it internet please
ok i guess ur not getting an answer anymore

they started loading as i restarted discord i i wanna jump willingly into r4c2 and die

[lost lynx]

Very interesting

[rose nova]

could be shittin

but i dont think so

[lost lynx]

What

[lunar island]

the man said, he could be shittin'

give him some privacy

lmao

[lost lynx]

No

[rose nova]

could be jesting

could be pissin

could be sillying

[naive rover]

As a “newer” player still chasing first time clears, I have noticed that most of the objectives between R1-first half of R5 are all pretty much the same. They just keep throwing more varied enemies and scan types within these things. But for the most part it’s just HSU scans, uplinks, escort item there or escort item back, reactors, code hunts, and gen clusters.

They just jam these things full of tougher monsters and constant alarms.

[rose nova]

by r6 r7 r8 u will notice how they just become WAY more funky

sometimes u dont even know what objective ur doing

[lunar island]

matter wave projector shenanigans

[rose nova]

r6 defo gets better on that aspect, r7 might be similar but u got something to accompany the missions that makes them feel alive

[naive rover]

Yeah it’s been nice understanding exactly what we need to do when we see an objective pop up at this point in the game. Right now it’s just “can we deal with this type of enemies in this type of objective”?

[rose nova]

and r8 is r8 and r8 is the best rundown

[lunar island]

eh, i really really like r6

maybe its just because i'm a destination addict and r6b1 is the only level where we get to truly explore

(even if its only a brief segment)

[rose nova]

i do too, but r8 is just that perfect blend of the extremely funky r6 creativity mixed in with what r7 was trying to do [and it did, fine]

trying to speak in non spoilerinos is hard

[lunar island]

i just look at r8 and think how painful the missions are to play for me... idk

i prefer slower paced missions.

(dont get me wrong, r6d4 is hell in a handbasket)

but the majority were much slower

even d3 up until the reactor

[rose nova]

it is harder, and it is less replayable but i think the first impression defo hits way better
theres only one real bad mission in r8

i meaan is r8 that fast even?
||r8c1 maybs, r8e1 obvs, r8b4 sort of, and then e2|| the rest u can just sort of take ur time

[lunar island]

i wish there was an expedition like r6b1... but like 12x longer

or something along those lines except in the inner

[modern coral]

R4-R5 is not the pinnacle of level design tbh

[lunar island]

it reminds me of times where i'd spend hours scouring every inch of every zone in a level

i had 40+ completions of r6b1 in OGr6... most of which were solo

just so i could spend more time on destination studying it

[rose nova]

i think wishing in terms of expectations yes r8 couldve been better but judging only onn ingame content, it still wins

at least for me

[lunar island]

i've said this before, i don't enjoy gtfo for the gameplay. i enjoy it for the story

i'd play the hell out of a Dear Esther style walking sim in gtfo

[rose nova]

i guess we just like judgin from a diff perspective [even if i do enjoy r8 greatly for story stuff]

[lunar island]

idk... r8 feels i guess... too straight forward

i used to argue for hours during r6 and r7 about the story and theories

allens

and many more

most really dislike how convoluted gtfo is... I kinda enjoy the puzzle in that.

explaining and walking people through the lore only gives me an even deeper satisfaction.

i could genuinely talk for hours about even the most insignificant details

like the different sections of garganta, to how they got freight down into the complex

[rose nova]

me explainign omneco gas guns and gas tanks lore

[naive rover]

You don’t know how much I appreciate that.

[naive rover]

R4 has some very rude encounters.

Pabulum Surge Alarm is a run ender for sure.

[daring ginkgo]

R5 is worse

More difficult i mean

Well, TBH for me r5 was easier than r4

[slender flare]

I'd say R5 is just unnecessarily long

It's the side quest rundown

[daring ginkgo]

Nah, compare it to r4 where almost every lvl have pe

R5 is not so bad

[slender flare]

I mean at least it's PE

Think about like R5D1 and how long sec and main are

Like it drags on

But R4 at least makes it somewhat shorter despite having PE

I just feel like some levels are too long

Unnecessarily

[junior latch]

Its 7 vs 5
5 extra secondaries vs 5

But the length of the actual levels isnt always the same (see R5B1 vs R4B1)

[graceful geode]

It kinda depends, personally what I believe is that they were pondering between having sectors adding just a gimmick to the level (R5A2 Secondary for example) or it being a whole different level inside a level (R5C2 Secondary). It's telling that R7 has less sectors than the clusterfuck that are R4 and R5 on that regard. I'd preferred them to stick to the gimmick solution because, while perhaps monotonous, you'd have more to do with more levels having sectors cut down and be a whole different expedition. Mainly because, to be honest, with one exception, I cant really think of a pub that asked me NOT to do PE when avaiable: they all want to actually finish the level and never go back to it anyway.

I apologize for the wall of text.

[empty tide]

What's the damage numbers of the burst cannon?

[fringe garden]

22 dmg per shot, 3 shots per burst.
16.06 precision dmg

15-80m falloff

[proper iron]

0.7 sec charge up time

[honest parrot]

I wonder

[[Burst Cannon]]

[crude verge]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Burst_Cannon

[honest parrot]

Huh it does work

You don't need to spell out the entire name

Neat

[proper iron]

smort

[fringe garden]

it's because Burst Cannon redirects to the actual page

unfortunately it is case sensitive

[[burst cannon]]

[crude verge]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Burst_cannon?action=edit&redlink=1

[fringe garden]

ok that just brings edit page but point is if you put Burst Cannon in searchbar it takes you to page but putting burst cannon it doesn't

[graceful geode]

I think this spreadsheet is up to date https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12NK4Q3oNjR8Gs57GWc2YXlUMiIXQmdeRlNPJLwGtk1U/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Note that, despite what it says, Burst Cannon CAN kill Cscout to front if you hit all the burst

[pseudo sedge]

i do wonder: how could the story of r8 been made into the same convoluted mess that is pre r8?

for me it feels like to make a good story that happened in the past convoluted and hard to decipher is possible, but for a story that is happening to the character you are playing it would feel... weird. The only way i could think of is having the timeline of events purposefully hidden and doing missions in another order.

(note: i am talking about the general story of our og team getting their chips out, the meltdown starting, og betraying alt and the 'escape', as details such as henriksson's death could be more hidden)

[graceful geode]

Because you see a planned puzzle

No offense but I see a disjointed mess that wasn't ever planned

They just improvised at around OG R6

I had a talk with a new guy some days ago about this, and they expected R6-R7-tier storytelling with Schaeffer stuff to begin MUCH SOONER than half the game in.

There's the audiologs but they are kinda there and that's it.

The game, as a whole, was perhaps planned to be something different from what we got, the dev either never had the time or did bite off more than they could chew

[shut vapor]

there wasn't even the beginnings of a story until R4 schaeffer

[graceful geode]

Hence why every stuff they introduced feels "out there", with Sectors being present for R4 and onwards then kinda pushed somewhat aside during later rundowns

The Logs tell a story and all, but it's just text and sometimes an audio

[rose nova]

i mean by 2018, the warden worked talkin to the prisoners

do u think by 2019 they really re-estructured the entire lore to what it is now

[graceful geode]

I'll be sincere: I dont think they had a clear 100% cut plan: Corporation does bad thing, monsters appear, you get sent down.

IMHO they were focused on the gameplay and the story/lore was just there to justify it.

[rose nova]

yeah no it seems pretty clear that fnaf style they just invented shit along the way

good shit, really cool shit but they invented it along the way

if only i had internet

to express it

[graceful geode]

Let's give an example. I did a pool for the most forgettable rundown and R4 won.

Perhaps it's a slightly uneven example, but R4 is one of the biggest in terms of how long/how many levels it has.

The levels simply are forgettable, perhaps, because they're also just... there.

You could say the "story" was told via the hsu neonate thingy during R2 and R3 but then it's forgotten

They just gave up and decided to add more stuff to level/gameplay, like sectors or cscouts or invisible scouts (OG R3 and OG R4 didnt have cscouts)

That's why I never cared about lore or the story: it feels like it's improvised for the most part.

[real monolith]

Gtfo gameplay. Wow dauda these sleepers sure are weird we need to stay quiet to make sure we don’t wake them up
Gtfo lore:

[nimble pumice]

kill

[pastel dagger]

in mm there are some people who are still scared of overload and refuse to do it

or peeps that go "lets just finish whatever"

[honest parrot]

I mean it's mm half of them aren't usually the type to stick around long term

[pastel dagger]

50/50

ive seen peeps id never see again or i see a lot of players ive played with

and some guys ive never seen before who are like ok i need this level now so they are somewhat experienced

[sharp owl]

i dont remember anything from r4

[pastel dagger]

how could u forget r4b3

[latent palm]

How could u forgor R4B1

[pastel dagger]

what do u mean

i remember

its a popular mm level

[hardy zenith]

I'd never forget r4c3, r4d2 or r4e1, until now those are the levels that posed the biggest challenge to me and are pretty remarkable in their own way

for me r2 is way more forgetable, r1 only isn't because i've played it so many damn times with newer players

[honest parrot]

(meanwhile I can't remember any of the levels even if you show me them)
(My memory has been degrading I think)

[hardy zenith]

r7 is the least forgetable but thats also when i started playing and it was the only rundown available so im pretty biased in that sense

[hardy zenith]

did you have a team you played with the whole way or did you beat everything by joining random lobbies?

because if you don't learn the mission as you go, and you just follow orders, you're not gonna remember shit when you finish it

[honest parrot]

I pub

Perhaps a bit too much

[lost lynx]

[honest parrot]

I'm rather certain due to that I've successfully failed every level at least once

[lost lynx]

omg i have 1 week free nitro

crazy

[pastel dagger]

oooo maa gaad

double tap rifle is crazy

i hit every headshot

[worthy flicker]

Tbh I've been going through R4 and I can kinda only remember stuff in the back half of it, mainly R4C3

R4D1 PE is memorablable ish? But I think that's cause I've done it twice by mistake.

[rose nova]

r4d1 sec is extremely funny by being bad

[stark idol]

You mean D2’s PE?

[worthy flicker]

Is D2 the reactor? If so yes.

Ig I can't remember them lmfao

[stark idol]

Nevermind, you’re right then

D1 is the reactor

[worthy flicker]

It's just secondary and not PE then for D1?

[stark idol]

D2 is that fog level

[stark idol]

Mhm

[worthy flicker]

Close enough

[stark idol]

Also, fuck C3

I hate Cuernos

[worthy flicker]

I unironically love that PE

[stark idol]

No you don’t

It’s not possible to love it

[worthy flicker]

It's really fun if your team is competent

I like heavy combat GTFO

And that gets pretty combat oriented real fast

[stark idol]

I mean, once the overload is activated it does

But the run to secondary is a slog

So annoying and slow-paced

The tank was funny though

[worthy flicker]

Maybe

The pacing for that level for me was fucked on group tbh

One of my randoms wanted to move slow slow and really gather resources

Double check everything

I explicitly remember getting up at some point to eat lunch for 20 minutes

[rose nova]

c3 my beloved

wasd

[graceful geode]

🧐

[lunar island]

oh, no, i'm not crazy. I know the majority of the story was spun from r6 onwards.

there really wasn't much to work with in OG

i remember the theories back then

some bacteria hiding within an asteroid from deep space

at the end of the day this is the story we have, from og to now.

[mellow hedge]

c3 goated

[lunar island]

just putting together the pieces

[mellow hedge]

my name is edwin

[lunar island]

the logs have errors too

one example i can recall reaching out to the community manager for was one log said "miles" instead of "meters" in regards to a measurement for garganta

a lot of times we've had to ask for clarification

but by puzzle i meant just the whole

these are the pieces, now how do we assemble them?

sort of thing

[stark idol]

🐟

[stark idol]

🐟

[mellow hedge]

krill issue

[wispy umbra]

holla guys, does any1 know if there's any way to fix a "stuck" terminal?

[lost lynx]

Have everyone walk to the terminal

Kick the person that made the terminal stuck

Or restart

[wispy umbra]

gotcha
what if the one who got it stuck is the host, in that case just restart?

[lost lynx]

No

He can just leave

Host migration exists

[slender flare]

yup

[wispy umbra]

aye, ty

[true sleet]

How to find a group to play ( I am new)?

[lost lynx]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[lost lynx]

#how-to-matchmake

[daring ginkgo]

r8a2 sec is done, funny last room

[rose nova]

:D

tentacle

did u see the funny enemy

[daring ginkgo]

potato one yes

yesterday

i am doing this lvl again, but main only

[mellow hedge]

Did you see Pablo

[daring ginkgo]

yeah

i checked side rooms

and was like, hello

[mellow hedge]

Did you get the log lol

[daring ginkgo]

i knew there are log terminal inside but amount of enemies inside xd

[mellow hedge]

Yeah lol

The scout can sometimes spawn in there

[daring ginkgo]

like i havent clear path even

lmao

well, i guess if you go to this log you are gonna suicide

maybe stealth is possible with good enemies placement

[rose nova]

hey gamers can anyone share their R8 rundown screen, i need to put the image on the wiki [its gonna be edited to not show the second half so completion numbers dont matter or even if u havent done the ending missions]

plspls

[silver spade]

Why don't u just do it

[rose nova]

i cannot open gtfo i am on a mac

[silver spade]

HAHAHHAA

[rose nova]

thus the [no gtfo version] :[

i miss my game

[naive rover]

I have learned prime slendo backstory.

[lost lynx]

Real question now
Its the same Mac or a new one?

[rose nova]

nother one but without a windows partition

[lost lynx]

Ah

[daring ginkgo]

soo, i did r8a2 both main and sec and holy shit, is this A tier? i am scared of next lvls

[lost lynx]

Well at least You have a computer

Yipeeeeeeeeee

[rose nova]

hey dark do u wanna share with me a screenshot of ur rundown screen

wait ur games in russian

nevermind

i said nothin

[daring ginkgo]

👌

also, i havent completed whole r8 obviously, i dont think my screen will suffice

[rose nova]

im gonna edit it to not show the secondhalf anyways

its for the wiki

[daring ginkgo]

shadow scouts, hybrids, lvl 5 alarm, full zone alarm, tank scans, just casual A tier huh

i am not mentioned sec

[rose nova]

:D

[daring ginkgo]

devs overcooked fr

[sharp owl]

I don’t remember A2 being that difficult

[daring ginkgo]

felt like continuation of r8d1 in some way

[sharp owl]

D1 fucking sucks

I hate d1

[daring ginkgo]

nah, cool lvl

[rose nova]

on paper its a lot more harder t

omg r8d1 based

[sharp owl]

I mean actually playing it is just eh

The only thing that caused me issues in main was the ending alarm because I wasn’t suspecting the rooms to be sleeper filled

Fun level honestly

Not too long

[daring ginkgo]

full zone alarm was a bit dangerous

[sharp owl]

Which one

[daring ginkgo]

first one

[sharp owl]

The terminal scan or something else

[daring ginkgo]

yeah

[sharp owl]

There are a couple good holding spots

I mean you already finished it

[daring ginkgo]

i didnt knew, that we have 5 terminals for 4 codes

so i cleared full shadow zone for 2 codes and 1 was on zone 69

[sharp owl]

[sharp owl]

The shadow zone isnt that bad

[daring ginkgo]

well, i didnt activated second full zone alarm, just grabbed resources

[sharp owl]

Oh thank god

[daring ginkgo]

also, that diminished alarm lvl 2 in the end was like slap in the face xd

after all of previous obstacles

[sharp owl]

“Wow seems simple!”

Thank you for the 700 sleepers

[rose nova]

me waiting to clear the enemies to open the door: :3

[sharp owl]

And slow extract

[daring ginkgo]

i just went to extract immediately

[sharp owl]

The error alarm in question

Or was it an extract alarm

No I think it was an error

Opening the door triggers an error alarm I think

Haven’t touched R8 in months

Or gtfo

Dont remember

[daring ginkgo]

b-but your r8e2 solo

[sharp owl]

NO

Well

I would rerun it

Just

Busy I suppose

Yea

Busy

[daring ginkgo]

nice excuse 👍

[sharp owl]

OK I AM ACTUALLY BUSY

Just

Procrastinating that busy-nes

So like

Uh

Not really busy

But the overwhelming dread that I need to do shit soon

Maybe I should finally finish the library

Or was it the collection

No wait it was the gallery

[mighty onyx]

Hey! Looking to try and beat r1a1! New to the game and I would love a group! Me and my friend tried but as a duo, and barely any info to the game, we only got half way each time, pretty much the 2nd security door before we just die tbh, we're so bad! But I would like to play with 3 other more experienced people!

[rose nova]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies, the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and im pretty sure u have but just in case, be sure to do the tutorial first [on the top left]

:3

[mighty onyx]

I'm not asking to be carried? I'm asking for advice???

And I already did the tutorial and I watched Mark's videos 5 years ago but the layout has since changed

[rose nova]

i mean is not about askin, some proplayer gamers just sometimes do it unprompted so its just better to always specify

i always do if i play with newies n stuff, well when i did

[lost lynx]

Yeaaaah 5 year old videos won't be of much help

[mighty onyx]

Exactly

[lost lynx]

At least the game is overall a lot more easier than back then

[mighty onyx]

And me and my friend tried to do the stealth kill on the tentacle dude but for some reason it no work?

How is it easier whaat

[lost lynx]

Hammer/spear full charge to the head

[mighty onyx]

Marks playthrough looked so easy

We tried that

[lost lynx]

Knife and bat needs full charge to the back of the head

[mighty onyx]

But we'll see about the spear

Could be poor timing too

[lost lynx]

Hithoxes are funny

[lost lynx]

I highly recommend just going with the hammer

[tiny turtle]

i've heard spear was better tho? what makes hammer better? /gen

[lost lynx]

Spear is the worst melee

Who told you that

[tiny turtle]

spiff :p

[mighty onyx]

I do the sledgehammer yes, and I tried to hit the back of the head when the tentacles retract but then they just walk away! So I run at it and then it hears me like HUH

[lost lynx]

Also hammer is way better
Fast charge, good damage and can sprint

[tiny turtle]

you can sprint with the spear....?

[lost lynx]

Spiff sucked at the game

[tiny turtle]

he beat e2 😭

[lost lynx]

He was really bad at the start and said a lot of misinfo

[tiny turtle]

r8e2*

[lost lynx]

Key word: sucked

Suck in past tense

[tiny turtle]

yea and in the latest one he said that the spear was the best, alongside a knife for plebs-

[lost lynx]

Oh my god

Well

Spear is bad bad

[lost lynx]

You cant

[mighty onyx]

Okay so can someone give me instructions to the tentacle dude to kill it stealthily?

[tiny turtle]

i'd be happy to join you fully, being new the the game myself

[lost lynx]

Charge your melee and rush him (make sure to hit the head)

[mighty onyx]

Then maybe my friend and I can just continue to duo then once we get passed that

[lost lynx]

Once you touch the feelers You have 1 second and a half to kill him

[mighty onyx]

Okay so we CAN run at the tentacle dude without alarming him?

[tiny turtle]

kinda, once they're touched there's a small time frame before they scream

[lost lynx]

He only wakes up if an enemy screams, a player touch him, bullets sound or taking damage

[mighty onyx]

Alright cool cool

[tiny turtle]

but if you're touching em when you're all the way out-reached you likely won't make it to them

[lost lynx]

Making another kind of sound like running and jumping will make him take out the tentacles

[mighty onyx]

Okay so no running after I was told to run???

😭

[lost lynx]

Read

[mighty onyx]

I'm going to need a video or something

[lost lynx]

.

[tiny turtle]

it only makes the tentacles come out, where you still get a bit of time to kill them

[mighty onyx]

Charging up your swing takes forever whaat

[tiny turtle]

so if you move towards them while the tentacles are retracting you can kill them before they start moving

yea so charge it before going in

[lost lynx]

Charge your melee and run at him once its charged

Aim to the head

[mighty onyx]

Ah ok

Ok

[lost lynx]

And smack that mf

[mighty onyx]

Ok

🫡

[lost lynx]

Or you can shoot him too

[mighty onyx]

Too much health aahhh

[lost lynx]

You can one shot them with a lot of weapons

[rose nova]

only really said spear was ok for scouts but like even he used the hammer for a reasom

[lost lynx]

Spear just sucks

God i hate spear but i love it's design

[rose nova]

pablo calm down

[lost lynx]

Knife on stick

[rose nova]

[lost lynx]

:3

[tiny turtle]

did he? i must've not paid attention very well lol cause i swear i specifically remember him saying that they almost exlusively ran 3 spears and a knife

[rose nova]

on ep one yes

but by e2 they had 2 hammers

[lost lynx]

They have learned a lot since then

[tiny turtle]

ah, oki alr

[lost lynx]

Still got some stuff wrong

But overall he improved a lot

[sharp owl]

Hello Guys, im brazilian, i know speak english but the guys on Team 676 dont want play with and call me monkey

[lost lynx]

@foggy plank

[rose nova]

dm @foggy plank with all the details yes

[lost lynx]

Report em

[rose nova]

im sorry u found such awful people

[compact folio]

You can, its just slow

[lost lynx]

That is NOT sprinting

Sprinting is supposed to be fast

[rose nova]

power walk

[lost lynx]

Not slightly faster walk speed

Lol power walk

[compact folio]

Its "Sprinting"

[high orchid]

it's speed walking

[compact folio]

As in about 10% faster than walking

[high orchid]

is there even a benefit to using the speed walk on the spear?

[compact folio]

Speed

Slighty

[lost lynx]

You go faster

But

Walking speed faster

[compact folio]

While eating stamina

[high orchid]

and you don't wake shit up instantly

[lost lynx]

Its 29% faster than walking speed

[compact folio]

Oh nice

Too bad its still slow

[lost lynx]

For some reason ingame it feels way slower

Way way slower

[compact folio]

[gusty burrow]

Normal sprint is ~71% faster than walking. Spear sprint is ~29% faster than walking.

[lost lynx]

Omg Tru

[compact folio]

They hate spear

[lost lynx]

I love its design tho

[tiny turtle]

tbf i'm still mostly a knife gremlin :3

[lost lynx]

Stabby stab

[compact folio]

I used to be a knife runner. Now I enjoy bat. idk why

[high orchid]

the enemy can't play the game when you run bat

[compact folio]

Lotsa slaps

[lost lynx]

Giants getting bullied by bats never gets old

[compact folio]

Big Shooters are my favorite

Not enough practice to not randomly get slapped by 40% yet

[rose nova]

chimken

[rose nova]

big shooters or BIG shooters

[compact folio]

I haven't encountered enough hybrids yet to say, so big shooters, not BIG shooters

Large chimken

[rose nova]

but no punch

where punch

how losing 40%

:[

[high orchid]

giant strikers and bbcs do 40 per swing

[rose nova]

yes but not chimken

[compact folio]

Against giants

Chimken fun because I can just slap

[lunar island]

I have finally obtained the mammoth dark eye helmet.

My quest is over.

[analog flicker]

Now get Hackett's Mask

[high orchid]

lmfao that was my seecond helmet back in og r6

[lunar island]

if i'm lucky.

i've played since OG so i have more drops than most, but iirc there are more cosmetics than drop chances

[tidal jay]

We lost 1 player on R5C2 PE

Can anyone join?

Invite is in LFG NA

[obtuse locust]

just had an incoming wave randomly trigger a huge respawning room on R5 C1, second unintended wipe in 4 runs, huge time investment randomly getting thrown away is pretty frustrating, had a cell get stuck under the map stripping completion of an secondary after a bot dropped it. do you guys run into run wiping jank often?

[lost lynx]

Not really

Game ending bugs/glitches arent as common as someone would think

[honest parrot]

Well then again half of us don't play bots

They do up the jank factor by a leg

Most bugs in this game are usually much less deliberating

[lost lynx]

Liquid bug

[honest parrot]

Void bug

Spagetti dimension

Cfoam bug

Shooter bug

[lost lynx]

Shooter bug

Fuck

[honest parrot]

Audio bug

[obtuse locust]

that's good to hear, we three man + bishop and bots troll a bit but are good in other ways, thanks for the input. Is it a mechanic that shadows aggro rooms?

[honest parrot]

Most of these won't kill you outright

[lost lynx]

Screen randomly having color bugs

[honest parrot]

Any awake enemy can scream

Their scream will wake rooms

[lost lynx]

Also enemies touching each other right?

[honest parrot]

You're probably just not familiar with shadow screams cause they sound really different from normal screams

[honest parrot]

I think so?
Usually if that's a factor you're probably going to get a scream wake anyways

[obtuse locust]

I mean a wave spawns in an respawning room, freshly spawned wave aggros respawning room as well. I didnt know about enemies touching each other, how should you mitigate the said circumstance?

[lost lynx]

How did a Wave spawned in the respawn room?

🤔

I don't think thats possible in R5C1

(other than the error)

[honest parrot]

I think it's the error that spawned in the respawn zone during the get one cell to unlock a door part?

The error probably also triggered the bot to drop the item thus the softlock

[lost lynx]

Yeah that makes sense

[obtuse locust]

R5 C1 has you stealth through two large respawning rooms usually full or giants/hybrids usually with a few non-respawning scouts mixed in, after you push past said rooms you do uplinks either 1 or two rooms away, the secondary obj is just the same except you get constant shadows and must do another uplink.

[honest parrot]

Was bot the one carrying bio

Or did someone else have it

[obtuse locust]

im specifically reffering to the hold after secondary bulkhead is opened

our bot bishop had bio

i see your reffering to a cell, that was a separate soft-lock, im only reffering to an incoming wave triggering a respawning room, i hope that makes things more clear

[honest parrot]

Do we have a page on the wiki for scream mechanics?

Let me see...

[lost lynx]

You could run and then do a quick sentry/tool setup to deal with the wave + respawn room if its awake

[obtuse locust]

holy your right! after 1.5 sec any awake mob can scream assuming they are within 2 rooms!

[honest parrot]

Yeah
It's an intended mechanic I think

[obtuse locust]

pain, im glad to have an answer, thanks for the help!

[lost lynx]

Yeah youll most likely have to deal with the respawn room one way or another

[obtuse locust]

sounds like you clear it before starting uplink one room away.

[honest parrot]

Honestly I've forgotten half the levels in the game so can't give much advice

As long as you don't shoot respawn rooms they should be fine?
Scaler guides are always something you can refer to if you're at the end of your rope

[obtuse locust]

im good, just got jammed up by the scream mechanic, its easy to assume waves wont wake rooms when the only difference between that and this is a shut door, just an obscure mechanic.

thanks again fellas!

[magic terrace]

Should I refund this game while I have. A chance I like the game alot but it's not super beginner friendly and I thought the community would be here to help me but it's lowkey dead and I don't have any friends to play with so should I tuff it out or get my money back while still possible Sry for rambling

[lost lynx]

Yeah if you want you can refund it

GTFO isnt for everyone

[honest parrot]

While it isn't as dead as you might think it's also not for everyone
Don't feel too bad about it, it's your money and you should decide where to spend it

[stark idol]

Give me the money :)

[mellow hedge]

The community is here to help, you just gotta ask

[stark idol]

No I’m not, I’m here to clown on Cuernos

[mellow hedge]

What makes you hate it so much

[stark idol]

No idea, at this point it’s a gag that I’m keeping up because it’s… funny?

I guess on paper it’s not supposed to be as hard as it was

[mellow hedge]

You might turn into hel shotgun bad kind of unfunny

[stark idol]

:(

[mellow hedge]

L

[stark idol]

Valid, but mean

[mellow hedge]

[lost lynx]

No

[idle jolt]

no one wanna r5e1 anymore :/

[honest parrot]

If no one wants to join at all lfg in beginners and see if anyone bites

If not then well it'll take a whiile

[idle jolt]

ahh ok

we'll see

aha...I shouldve said "dont join unless u have it unlocked"

oh well :P

[gusty burrow]

Nope

[latent palm]

Truuuuuu

[junior latch]

Wha?
Theres no way he actually said that o.O

[unreal crystal]

its cooked

[junior latch]

Uplinks can not spawn enemies in the respawn zones. They are bound to spawn enemies inside the zone you do the uplink in

[light bobcat]

I'm scared.

[junior latch]

No you are gyorg

[fringe garden]

since beating e2, has spiff&co started using community resources and knowledge more or are they still doing their own thing

[mellow hedge]

I mean, they had HUGE help from kenny and idk if they actually would have been able to beat the level without his help

Or it would have taken much longer

[daring ginkgo]

kenny carried

[fringe garden]

yes they did but they limited it to talking to kenny right

[mellow hedge]

they gained a lot of knowledge from him

they didnt want like spoilers or anything

[fringe garden]

yeah but it's still different from immersing in the knowledge of the community and looking at other runs etc

[mellow hedge]

but he gave them a lot of game knowledge

[fringe garden]

mm

[pastel dagger]

probably yea

[slender flare]

I mean the game has somewhat of a high curve

after all it is a hard one

[fringe garden]

keeping the game is permanent refunding it is temporary

[pastel dagger]

thats not their issue

[slender flare]

so it takes time to learn things

[slender flare]

yeah also friends ik

[pastel dagger]

servers dead

[slender flare]

OH

my bad

I mean the server isn't that dead

is it

[pastel dagger]

whoever is still alive has moved on to modded

or duos

i find more people on matchmaking than server

servers dead

[slender flare]

yeah hi

[daring ginkgo]

rip mm

[slender flare]

I mean i'd say the game is also fun and good to play as long as you find like a group or people who would be up to play

[fringe garden]

server is not dead if you play at the right hour

[slender flare]

it's enough for me at least

[slender flare]

i mean different timezones but i do agree

[pastel dagger]

eh, i mostly see all already full teams with guys waiting alone forever

[slender flare]

there's a few teams open rn

[slender flare]

R5D1 lobby expirience

[pastel dagger]

and of course two channels with way too many people in it for no reason

[fringe garden]

sees full lobbies
"lfg must be dead"

[pastel dagger]

well it is

u create one and no one joins

and u leave

refund game

[slender flare]

not really

[fringe garden]

you clearly haven't tried lfging

[pastel dagger]

ive tried it

[slender flare]

Sure there are some levels that people don't liek to play

but it's not the case always

[fringe garden]

i have once had to give up on finding a team

i get a full team within 20 minutes every time pretty much

[slender flare]

yeah it happened to me too but only once really

i usually get a team in 10 or so

[pastel dagger]

i constantly browse lfg whenever i boot up gtfo and the amount of newbies sitting in a channel nobody joining them and them just disappearing

is crazy

[slender flare]

I don't really see it that much to call it crazy

it does happen sure

[pastel dagger]

every day i do that it happens

[fringe garden]

well it is the case that joining for your 2029th r1a1 isn't very interesting

[slender flare]

That is true

[fringe garden]

but i see r1 lobbies filled pretty often

[pastel dagger]

so yea servers dead if no one gonna join your r1a1 if u just bought the game

[slender flare]

I mean i know i gladly would join

[pastel dagger]

especially if u be like looking for strictly new people to play with

gg

[slender flare]

but i'm probably either asleep or at work or duoing who knows

i'm always up to teach new people at the game

[pastel dagger]

i am joining that if matchmaking is whack

which is quite rare

[slender flare]

I myself never used matchmaking

[pastel dagger]

it didnt really work pre r8

[slender flare]

mostly because i have a lot of people to play with anyway

[pastel dagger]

pre r8 it worked like once in a full moon

r8 they fixed it so yeee just been mming

[slender flare]

I see

I mostly play with friends i met here really

[mellow hedge]

telling people the game is dead is not the way to get people playing lmao

a lot of people lfg

[shut vapor]

Den of wolves will bring a big influx of players trust

[slender flare]

Yeah i agree

[pastel dagger]

i mean if they need the money id say refund

not sure for what else tho

[mellow hedge]

if they need the money why would they buy it in the first place

[silver spade]

What a cope. It's saturday and there's only 20 people on the discord

A few days ago the discord was fully empty

[mellow hedge]

Go back to samdown

[silver spade]

More people play that then vanilla LOL

[mellow hedge]

What a cope.

[junior latch]

ngl 20 at 1pm isnt as awful as it may seem

Weve also had way worse saturdays (4 people at 4-5pm)

[honest parrot]

Is this about the guy earlier

[graceful geode]

The point isn't to get people playing but to be truthful when they ask if the game is dead or not

[mellow hedge]

I dont think someone who doesnt use lfg at all should say if the server is dead or not

It is quite easy to get lfg games

when someone is asking for advice, just saying "refund game game dead" is just not the way to respond

[graceful geode]

That's... not really how things work...

[mellow hedge]

I think

It might be

[graceful geode]

If there's few people playing, the definition applies

There's thi thing

I've seen people do nowadays

[hasty bobcat]

game is dead

[graceful geode]

It does NOT matter who said X or Y

What matters if X or Y is true

which is a completly independant fact

[junior latch]

The game is not dead tho

[honest parrot]

Well for that one guy early today he was going to refund no matter what it seemed so I just talked about it like that
Seemed like he had very bad matchmaking experience

[graceful geode]

Let's face it: if the standard for "dead" is "Zero people are playing and noone ever has it open" the definition is never going to apply

[junior latch]

Was the game dead 1 year ago?

[graceful geode]

It's also weird how you all jump to take when it has been commonly referred to "at its last leg" usually

[junior latch]

Was the game dead before R8 released?

because we legit have more people playing the game rn than during those time frames

[graceful geode]

There ain't ever going to be another update

[junior latch]

And?

[graceful geode]

So I really doubt people will suddenly begin playing again

[junior latch]

that has nothing to do whether a game is dead LOL

[graceful geode]

The only case you'd get new influxes are a sale

[junior latch]

They LITTERALY DO

wdym

[graceful geode]

I dont know, I feel like I'm having to argue the sky is blue

[junior latch]

old players who finished may not show again that often

???

Ok so how is a game dead

• player count is going down and it isnt played anymore
• super hard to find lobbies
• game is left in a non working state (servers shutdown etc)

is oneof those true?

[graceful geode]

"it isn't played anymore" is such a disingenous point...

there's people playing L4D right now

the first one

Now tell me it ain't dead

[lost lynx]

[graceful geode]

There's also a couple of lobbies sometimes

And that game is a working state

So by your definition would still apply to being very much alive

[honest parrot]

I don't get it, is this about what happened earlier

Or something else

[lost lynx]

Dead game definition:
When there isnt enough playerbase to complete or enjoy a game under normal means

[honest parrot]

Cause that new guy was going to leave no matter what we said back there

[lost lynx]

Thats the ACTUAL definition of dead game

[graceful geode]

To reiterate my point: "Is GTFO 100% dead?" Not yet, but it's very probably going to be, and with the standards of some people that, logically, want to find a lobby in their continent and kinda at all times, it might aswell be considered dead or at most on its last leg.

[graceful geode]

Again

[junior latch]

id say it isnt in comparision to actually dead games

L4D also has a sequel which steals players from it

If we had GTFO 2 (and it was better than GTFO like l4d2 is) then GTFO player count would plummet

[graceful geode]

That applies to any damn Deathmatch game as along as 2 people play it

[fringe garden]

do people actually care about finding a lobby in their continent

outside of the people who dont' speak english

[graceful geode]

The sequel isn't important...

We're talking about this game

as in the specific one

[junior latch]

damn what a shocking point

"game is going to die at some point" - no shit

[graceful geode]

The fact that L4D has a sequel doesn't make L4D any more alive

[junior latch]

gtfo hasnt been losing active players

we actually have a more stable "active playerbase" (due to newcomers) than during some later parts of the rundown sequence (before R7)

[lost lynx]

Doesnt GTFO has 500-1000 players on average

[honest parrot]

(I don't get where this is coming from, does it actually matter that much on whether we're getting lower or higher numbers?)

[lost lynx]

For the past

[junior latch]

900

[lost lynx]

Year?

[junior latch]

yea

aug-nov 2024 was a dip

to 650-750

but its back up since dec again

[graceful geode]

It does matter when someone asks if the game is dead and you dont give a disclaimer

[junior latch]

(aug-nov are usually dips for gtfo btw)

[graceful geode]

Because you want to have more players rather than being honest

[junior latch]

saying the game is dead

is dishonest tho

same for "its dying"

because that implies it will be dead very shortly

which people have claimed even a year ago btw

[graceful geode]

Yeah it's stellarly alive

100%

[lost lynx]

[junior latch]

sleepo

the player numbers

arent

[mellow hedge]

just so you know

[junior latch]

lower

[mellow hedge]

the average players rn is around 1/3 of the ALL TIME PEAK

[lost lynx]

God i love my week free nitro

[fringe garden]

gtfo isn't dead until someone solos e2 because someone (read: me after another 2k hours so im good enough) will grind for it

[junior latch]

we are legit 100 below the non R8 peak for the last 2 years (free weekend aside, they warp numbers)

[honest parrot]

I still don't get if this is about the guy that came around and how me and Pablo responded to it

I'm starting to think it isn't

[lost lynx]

Yes

[graceful geode]

GTFO is alive as along as you get 1 singular guy present in the server I say

[lost lynx]

Yes it is

[slim quarry]

can someone recommend me a lodout im new and not really a geek on these types of weapons

[graceful geode]

Nay, as along as you've 1 active player on Steam!

[lost lynx]

Sawed off + hel rifle

[mellow hedge]

which is when mark came back to gtfo

[fringe garden]

hel revolver + combat shotty teaches you to play the game i think

[graceful geode]

Know what, scratch that, it's alive as along as someone has it on its Steam account

[junior latch]

fuckign strawman

holy shit

[slim quarry]

is the sawed off for big guys?

[junior latch]

thats disingenious as hell

[lost lynx]

For everything

Small, waves, big enemies

[slim quarry]

a-

[junior latch]

both are good for bigs and smalls

[graceful geode]

I presented the L4D comparison and you told me the sequel is alive so it doesn't matter as an analogy

[slim quarry]

whats the hel rifle do

[junior latch]

??

then you missunderstood what the fuck I said

[lost lynx]

Shoots

[honest parrot]

That dude was going to leave no matter what tho

[junior latch]

I said L4D has players "taken" by l4D2

[slim quarry]

[fringe garden]

kill any small at any range if you hit

[junior latch]

so the comparision is worse

[lost lynx]

Jk
It's like a semi-auto rifle that can penetrate enemies

[burnt flume]

ah hell yea gtfo drama

on the one day this week i don't feel tired, what a treat

[junior latch]

nah just people claiming gtfo is dead

[slim quarry]

sounds good alr ty

[junior latch]

when the player count is legit not going down

[honest parrot]

For him, the definition of a dead game was more or less just less than popular server
And it seemed like he wasn't having his fun

[graceful geode]

You told your three conditions for a game to be dead and your conditions would make L4D a game that's still alive

[junior latch]

and claiming its dead because devs arent working on it is legit a meme

[graceful geode]

While it's pretty much dead

[burnt flume]

you're literally wrong