gtfo-chat

[junior latch]

gladly mr/mrs special name colour

[lost lynx]

What was my loadout?
AH YES DMR AND MG

[brittle schooner]

Well I said ill give up earlier but ill try again ig, I agree with part about minimal expectations in co-op games. However I think your expectations are absouletly unreasonable.

For gtfo specifically mine would simply be:
Dont start shooting your teammates
Dont just wake up every room without saying anything
and if i have something to say please listen to me, and if you have something to say ill listen to you.
I think this is fair and reasonable.

But expecting to only exclusively take the meta guns? Even if your saying this only on the "hard" lvls this is beyond absurd for several reasons.
If it was impossible to clear with non-meta guns then maybe i'd agree. BUT its NOT, spiff's group is literary a living example of this. Or you know, literary and pub where you have 2-3 mgs or whatever else.
Its not throwing to pick mg, you absolutely can clear with it, is it not as good as the hel weapons? of fucking course not. But saying its trolling is just straight up wrong, as mentioned above, there are ridiculous amounts of clear on hard lvls even with bad guns like mg.
Trolling would be using sniper as waveclear, THAT is trolling, because your using a gun clearly intended for boss kill as small clear.

Have you also considered the issue of someone being bad with meta guns? A hel rifle player who tends to pen teammates or miss alot is literary less useful than an mg player that doesnt do that.

Finally, i think flaming people for their gun pick is extremly toxic. Its a game, its about having fun, not ruining other people's days or freindships, and chances are the guy who's using said terrible gun isnt trying to ruin your day, so why should you ruin theirs?
This is all i have to say, whether you disagree or not is up to you, I hope I made my point clear.
Have a nice day👍

[rose nova]

me using mg for like every clear i needed in r8

[true pilot]

wall of text jumpscare

[vapid niche]

DMR,my beloved ❤️❤️

[graceful geode]

flashbang

[worn kiln]

fr

[tight vigil]

How big is gtfo again?

[brittle schooner]

shrug

[worn kiln]

i thought it was a spammer for a second

[lost lynx]

Thanks god i have discord zoom at 0%

[brittle schooner]

i had alot to say

[hasty bobcat]

star with an essay

[soft temple]

15 gigs

[brittle schooner]

xd

[brittle schooner]

more or less

[worn kiln]

yeah thats fair

[rose nova]

ME LITERALLY ME
I WAS AND AM SOOOO bad with hel rifle, hel gun, hel revo

[true pilot]

instantly bans an innocent person

[tight vigil]

So then with that in mind I’d say 9:30 central time US

[rose nova]

like the worst player with those

[junior latch]

can we timeout @brittle schooner for heavy spam

[hasty bobcat]

YES !!

[soft temple]

[worn kiln]

dont tempt me

[rose nova]

my actual, best gun to be with was chOKEMOD, i was terrible with anything that had HEL on it

[junior latch]

very good take ngl

[low shell]

i just noticed it!!!

[true pilot]

||she choke on my mod till I scattergun||

[worn kiln]

guys what do you think of my build

DMR
Shotgun
Mines
Maul

i havent played since r1 btw hope this helps

[rose nova]

its based tbh

[lost lynx]

No scatter = bad

[rose nova]

those have all aged good

[tight vigil]

Rah

[vapid niche]

free spirit over here knowing what the real things are

[worn kiln]

scatter what?

[vapid niche]

blessed be DMR

[worn kiln]

is that a new enemy

[rose nova]

yes yes it it flies

[worn kiln]

boy i love how there is only one scout type

[burnt flume]

t-nenpi ass looking loadout

[graceful geode]

Of course the DMR and Shotguns are Yours, silly.

[true pilot]

scatter deez nuts

[lost lynx]

Scatter deez nuts in yo mouth

[brittle schooner]

thank you ❤️

[lost lynx]

FUCK YOU CUBIX

[rose nova]

NOT THE TWO DEEZ NUTS

[worn kiln]

banned

[true pilot]

=)

worth it

[lost lynx]

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of the KSO's class in the Global Combatives Academy, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Destination, the complex, and nightmare dimension, and I have over 69 confirmed PUB carries. I am the first KSO to travel between worlds and I’m the top sniper in the entire world. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in the multiverse, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the multiverse via the MWP, and your IP is being traced right now, so you better prepare for the shitstorm, human shit. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the KDS and US military, and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the universe, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you, and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

[true pilot]

jesus

[rose nova]

jesus

[true pilot]

another jumpscare

[proper iron]

JESUS

[rose nova]

but this ones not based

[hoary crescent]

me about to play with dmr veruta

gaming

[rose nova]

star was based

[graceful geode]

69 confirmed carries*

[vapid niche]

me when I see a single sleeper that survived my first knife hit:

[tight vigil]

Considering I leave elections at around 8:30pm central and will probably take a bath and get it download by 9:15pm so 9:30 pm central time is when I’d be willing to be taken hostage for learning and perhaps be taken by a group

[junior latch]

Also team may I just add

[lost lynx]

Okay that sounds better let me change it

[junior latch]

a few of you are in spiffs video

[rose nova]

eva is more famous their video appeared on it rahhh

[junior latch]

about 40 or so actually

[worn kiln]

is he in this server?

[lost lynx]

Who exactly?

[rose nova]

[lost lynx]

I am there?

[true pilot]

Forever immortalized in a suboptimal E2 run?!
/s

[junior latch]

i think so?

[worn kiln]

I should ban him so he knows who i am

/s

[true pilot]

I think I am in one of the early ones

[tight vigil]

He is

[true pilot]

do it

[lost lynx]

Yeah spiff is in here

[vapid niche]

eh no,never really appeared I think,at most it was Colton asking about R8E2 because they needed to know if checkpoint was real

[lost lynx]

Guys ping him

[rose nova]

would be the kind of person to make a famous person trip so they remember u

[worn kiln]

dont ping him

or do idc

[rose nova]

@lost lynx did i do good

[junior latch]

dont

[rose nova]

:3

[worn kiln]

i doubt hed check a random ass ping anyway lmao

[lost lynx]

Who appears in the video, Eva?

[true pilot]

thats why we ping him 10000 times

[worn kiln]

ok dont do that

[stark idol]

WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING

[lost lynx]

I still havent watched it all

[pseudo sedge]

dw i dm-ed him the bbc copypasta anyway, one ping from here can't be that bad

[junior latch]

https://youtu.be/wMyQVk8Lwng?si=VdVr5qvrwAaC7fno&t=2830
for the most zoomed out shot

[tight vigil]

He can’t ignore all of us

[graceful geode]

Should make a meme with Guido Sensation but GTFO too

[hasty bobcat]

not me so lame

[true pilot]

oh that

[rose nova]

no slendi :[

[lost lynx]

Omg im there

IM THERE

Guys im famous

[hasty bobcat]

huge

[true pilot]

in one of the earlier vids he scrolled through general chat and showed a bunch of our names

[junior latch]

I laughed seeing that show up xD

cuz Spiff watched that video

[lost lynx]

Which one?

[rose nova]

wasnt that a diff gtfo vid where random and u were talkin of bot runs

[hasty bobcat]

wait do u mean that he put in ur gtfo thingy

[lost lynx]

Oh btw Spiff used a Gtfo clip from himself in a video like 2 years ago

[hasty bobcat]

with that movie

[brittle schooner]

oh yea that video lmao

[true pilot]

i dont remember
i may also be confusing his video with someone elses? Although thats unlikely

[lost lynx]

So yeah he already played back then

[brittle schooner]

ye he did sky

[junior latch]

click on the youtube video above

[hasty bobcat]

yeye

i'm watching it rn !!

[rose nova]

:D

[junior latch]

yea the poppy playtime at lower and lower fps

which is funny cuz he used gtfo as a showcase for it not being influenced by fps

[vapid niche]

I remember watching stream vods and while the lack of knowladge is mostly through playing the game without knowing any outside knowladge,it's also because in the early days of playing GTFO spiff would get drunk on every session and do well,but forget some lessons learned

[worn kiln]

watching him play through r8 almost makes me want to play gtfo again

i havent played in

reads notes

almost 2 years

[lost lynx]

Yeah i was watching it yesterday and said: hey this looks familiar

[tight vigil]

Is anyone here willing to kidnap a noob tonight and around 9:30pm central

[graceful geode]

To get around timezone just say time left

As in, "in about 2 hours"

[tight vigil]

Oh uhhh

[burnt flume]

9:30 central is like uhh

just under 9 hours from now i think

[tight vigil]

Maybe I’m wrong then

[burnt flume]

wait am i going off eastern here, idk my brain is too frazzled

[tight vigil]

It’s about 11 hours

A little under 11 hours

[lost lynx]

Omg Murica time

[tight vigil]

Yeah, the funky time

[rose nova]

me when i revolver uh

reference

[worn kiln]

me when i high calibre pistol

[true pilot]

me when i machinegun

[worn kiln]

me when i

[rose nova]

me when

[worn kiln]

i dont know any other guns

[vapid niche]

machinegun,my beloved TRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRT noise machine

[rose nova]

i love the mg design is probs one of my favs

[tight vigil]

Is it crazy that i live in one of the most crazy gun states and barly know any guns despite my whole family having atleast 1 gun each

[lost lynx]

Imagine having guns

[worn kiln]

not really

[lost lynx]

The most i can have here is pepper spray

[worn kiln]

i live in the uk but i dont know much about knives

jk im an expert

[true pilot]

Okay but slug shotgun has the best scope
Change my mind

[lost lynx]

Wtf no

[vapid niche]

I love the sound design for the machinegun,when you stop firing it sounds like an exhale

[hoary crescent]

idk playing machinegun rn

[rose nova]

it has, a good scope
but the best scope for me is probsss something simpler

[hoary crescent]

i dont like it anymore 💀

[rose nova]

tbh burst rifle scope

[lost lynx]

Bullpup scope >

[graceful geode]

Like Quake's Hyperblaster

[rose nova]

:[

[tight vigil]

NOW A SWORD IS SOMETHING IM IN EXPERT IN

[true pilot]

What about tea

[worn kiln]

nah og dmr scope is best

i love having my sights be unaligned

[lost lynx]

Guys hear me out

Scattergun scope

[true pilot]

”scope”

[rose nova]

the stick

[vapid niche]

another piece of proof that literally every single FPS game in the history of FPS games has QUAKE DNA in it

[true pilot]

same with hel revo I suppose

[worn kiln]

im so sad the devs never added gun customisation to the game

[rose nova]

funnily enough scattergun was gonna have a scope, similar to the hel shottie one, but it was replaced

before r6 dropped

[tight vigil]

Yeah but if anyone who talking rn is available to help train a literal noob in about 10 hours and 40 min just dm me

[lost lynx]

I was watching GTFO beta gameplay and in some of it You could pick up like random items

[true pilot]

should have given it sniper scope
For no reason at all

[rose nova]

pistol scope omg!

[tight vigil]

Cause all yall seem chill

[graceful geode]

the amazement at running it first time

[lost lynx]

I wonder what they wanted to do with that

[vapid niche]

ray is typing this message for like 8 minutes now,they're really cooking

[rose nova]

it seemed to have been for unlocking guns n stuff

[graceful geode]

the way you had to select difficulty with the three pit jumps

[rose nova]

like artifacts but instead of boost, stuff in general

[lost lynx]

Is it? Well if thats the case thank god they changed it

[graceful geode]

And yet I dont remember much of it, time has erased a good portion of memory

[rose nova]

ok ancient person

[lost lynx]

are You sure You don't have Alzheimer?

[graceful geode]

Quake 2 I recall more but because I replayed it like 5 years ago

[lost lynx]

You are pretty old now so

It might be that

[tight vigil]

Fossil

[vapid niche]

OH MY GOD IMAGINE REMEMBERING QUAKE 2,that re-heated sci-fi sausage casing filled with sawdust and tech doom written all over it

[graceful geode]

I still remember watching Wolfenstein 3d being played at a friend's house

I just watched

[vapid niche]

imagine ray makes the message and it's just a really well made ascii art of an explosion to a message talking about how fun machinegun is

[rose nova]

been writing for 7 years im so scared

[true pilot]

The ultimate wall of text jumpscare

it will actually be animated

and then it will fry our hard drives

[lost lynx]

Im hard

[vapid niche]

it will be a txt file put here because of the sheer length

[lost lynx]

And i drive

[true pilot]

It will be Doom
Playing Doom in a (singular) discord message

[vapid niche]

someone definitely already made that

[true pilot]

tbh yeah

[lost lynx]

Doom already runs in a PDF

[worn kiln]

has someone made a mod to play doom in a gtfo terminal

[rose nova]

can someone now make doom the dark ages run in discord so i dont have to buy it

[vapid niche]

ah yes,perfect thing to put into BIOCOM before it's finished,a way to play DOOM on it

[true pilot]

The warden has spent 10 years trying to beat Doom
After that it finally sent us to do shit

lore accurate

[vapid niche]

probably

[tight vigil]

I have a pdf form of doom where your able to play it in a pdf

[vapid niche]

no what if it spends 5 trying to make DOOM I and II run on BIOCOM and then 5 years beating each

[true pilot]

works too

[worn kiln]

reactor but instead of having to get codes you have to beat doom

[vapid niche]

ALL OF IT? like each episode even fucking Thy Flesh Consumed

[modern coral]

If it was impossible to clear with non-meta guns then maybe i'd agree. BUT its NOT, spiff's group is literary a living example of this. Or you know, literary and pub where you have 2-3 mgs or whatever else.

Consider the example you are using. This is a group that self-describes themselves as taking 5 months on R8E2.

Even w/ extremely competent players, if you are 4-stacking bad guns as a challenge, you are not going to be able to consistently clear on those loadouts.

If I am going to be in a pub for one short session on R8E2, it's just not that fun for me to be the only person making things happen in the level. I would like other players to at least try to play guns that at least give them the option to contribute to encounters in the level. Again, slotting MG is signing up to not contribute, and to be an ammo sink. Either you took the slot from someone more experienced, who would make the run easier for everyone, or you've put hundreds of hours into the game w/out understanding what guns are good and why, which makes me think you're not even trying to improve at the game or contribute in a positive way in any lobby that you're in.

Have you also considered the issue of someone being bad with meta guns? A hel rifle player who tends to pen teammates or miss alot is literary less useful than an mg player that doesnt do that.

Yes, I have considered this. There are two big issues w/ this thought process:

• The difference in power is so significant that bad play on the top 1/3rd of guns is still probably doing more than incredibly competent play on either MG. If you miss half of your HEL Rifle shots, you can still be getting value than MG purely on accident, it's still a 30 damage slug w/ cross-tile range.

• Gunplay is not magic. If someone is not good enough at shooting to use Shotgun or HCP effectively, almost certainly they are also quite incompetent on MGs. Conversely, a very "strong" MG player can probably use better guns just fine.

[true pilot]

what if R8A2 secondary is just the wardens recreation of Doom

[vapid niche]

AH

[true pilot]

it happened

[worn kiln]

one level per code

[true pilot]

finally

[lost lynx]

AAAAAAAAH

RUNNNNNNNN

[rose nova]

funny cuz "an mg player could be good with other things" its exactly the opposite of me

me missing every hel gun and hel rifle shot cuz of the charge up along with mousepad gaming

[lost lynx]

As i said
A lot of people forget how the Game is and works for the average player

[vapid niche]

tbh man it doesn't really matter because literally every person in spiffs group contributes almost equally

[worn kiln]

honestly i get both sides of the discussion

[modern coral]

If you believe this, you are just wrong.

[rose nova]

i get the point of saying mg is bad, not the point of calling people stupid for it

[junior latch]

That is sadly not true

[modern coral]

The Scatter and HEL Rifle are doing significantly more on that team than Revo or MG

[junior latch]

But it also doesnt matter

They are a friend group

And beat it as a friend group

[worn kiln]

its fair enough to want people to play with "meta" especially in lfg where you dont know anyone and you dont know if they are actually good. So you want them to have good gear so at least they arent useless and running stuff bad for the level

but also flaming people and telling them they are objectively wrong for running something without asking why they run it or stuff like that is a sucky thing to do

[junior latch]

^

[worn kiln]

at the end of the day though, if you want to play a certain way (super meta or not meta at all) it doesnt matter as long as you dont force others to play how they dont want to and just find people who want to play the way you do

[true pilot]

damn we finally reached the conclusion of this (kinda pointless) discussion? lovely

[modern coral]

People that will argue that MG is good in response to being asked to switch just are objectively wrong, is the thing. If that's a problem for them, they can find another lobby.

[graceful geode]

I mean you can leave their lobby whenever you want and vice-versa. It's NOT the same thing but I left 3 guys lobby because they wanted to doorbug and I wasn't okay with it. No hate I just told me I didnt want to and left.

Etiquette exists but leaving is 100% okay in any scenario, flaming is another story entirely.

I left a guy's lobby because he kept going on about everyone loadout (before even dropping but whatever) and I really wasn't in the mood to get myself checked out for a R2B4 or whatever it was.

[junior latch]

@worn kiln maybe once DOW actually released or smth

I keyframed everything manually for that and it took me a fucking long time 💀

[vapid niche]

leaving is fine if you don't agree with a team setup,I think,but telling others to leave because you consider them to be "dead weight" because of the fact they use a weapon like MG is just really really stupid

[modern coral]

If I am the host

and I made the post

If I ask you to leave, I expect you to leave

[vapid niche]

but why for using...MG

[modern coral]

You are in R3

You do not know very much about the game

[lost lynx]

Damnnnnnn

[vapid niche]

ah yes,ray now can read my save file LMFAO

[pseudo sedge]

im in r8 and i still dont get why MG is so bad

[modern coral]

You literally stated where you were.

[vapid niche]

fuck this I'm out this shit is miserable

[vapid niche]

no I di-

nevermind

woe,charger be upon ye

[worn kiln]

so never, i see how it is 😔

guys should i ping everyone for that poll

how funny would that make me

[shut vapor]

Which poll

[worn kiln]

#discord-announcements

[graceful geode]

I mean scams get posted in nearly all channels

I dont speedrun so I dont care but does it cost more to keep it up?

I've no idea how Discord Servers work

I dont think you pay per-channel, right?

[shut vapor]

I'd just archive it and make it read only

There's never any useful discussion

[worn kiln]

it costs nothing

[fossil horizon]

You pay for playing GTFO

[graceful geode]

In what?

[brittle schooner]

Consider the example you are using. This is a group that self-describes themselves as taking 5 months on R8E2.

I dont see this as an issue tho, the point of a game is to have fun, not to win as fast possible (excluding speedrunning but obviously that's not what we're talking about). And to me it seems like they had fun, so mission accomplished shrug.

Even w/ extremely competent players, if you are 4-stacking bad guns as a challenge, you are not going to be able to consistently clear on those loadouts.

Again, i dont see this as an issue. If you could clear consistently it wouldnt be a challenge now would it? the point of doing stuff like this is because people find it fun, and as long as it aint hurting nobody i think its fine.

I would like other players to at least try to play guns that at least give them the option to contribute to encounters in the level.

Then avoid playing with people who dont play meta guns. You shouldn't expect nor force other people to play meta guns. I simply think the expectations you have is kinda unreasonable, people want to play diff guns than meta guns, there could be a myriad of reasons as to why, but its not right for you to force them to do otherwise.

Gunplay is not magic. If someone is not good enough at shooting to use Shotgun or HCP effectively, almost certainly they are also quite incompetent on MGs. Conversely, a very "strong" MG player can probably use better guns just fine.

I see your point with this and ya i cant say i disagree, especially the part about a strong mg player. The issue is that sometimes, people just dont want to play hel rifle shrug (main reason from my experience is simply prefrence) or other meta guns.

[graceful geode]

Flashbang!

[fossil horizon]

In steam

[worn kiln]

guys please post jumpscare warnings for these messages im gonna cry
/s

[brittle schooner]

my bad team

[fossil horizon]

If you ignore this problems - they don't exist

[worn kiln]

ik its not your point but the fact that it took these guys 5 months to beat a single level is so wild to me

gtfo really did hate its consumers having lives didnt it lmao

[brittle schooner]

i mean

[fossil horizon]

Totally new people

[worthy flicker]

Tbh 5 months is kinda insane

[brittle schooner]

half if not more r8e2's diff is knowledge check

and they came in with basically 0

and continued with 0 for like wot, 2 months?

before they called kenny

[worn kiln]

kinda makes me want to call it bad game design

[fossil horizon]

Like guys 5 months is mostly due to issues with gathering up

[worthy flicker]

Like 5 months is on you, not the game at some point

[worn kiln]

yeah thats what i mean by gtfo hates its players having lives

[brittle schooner]

also this yea

[worn kiln]

you need to set aside hours and hours of time to play some levels

[brittle schooner]

its not like its 5 months playing every single day

[worn kiln]

and with a job and other responsibilites that becomes hard as shit to do

[worthy flicker]

Scheduling GTFO is unironically about the same level of commitment as a tabletop game assuming you're not the DM

[brittle schooner]

rust after a long break

is also a factor

[fossil horizon]

Like cmon my team beat lockout 2 F1 in 3 months, does it mean it really that hard and takes that time? Nope, mostly gathering up is issue plus bugs random rolls etc

[junior latch]

It isnt generally
Its just dont too harshly :( so yea

[worn kiln]

yeah i wouldnt say its bad game design

its just kinda user unfriendly at times

[gray pilot]

I know you really hate me and you just can't stop talking shit about me but I'd really appreciate it if you don't do it here and none of you @ me about your gun meta stuff. I really don't care.

[fossil horizon]

You sit in the evening and play until morning so you don't waste time on sleeping and go directly to work so you can afford DoW

[hoary crescent]

they did play other games

have families, work etc..

so it's fair i guess

5 months seems reasonable to me

[worn kiln]

the true gtfo grindset

[worthy flicker]

Tbh it's not 5 months of skill issues

[hoary crescent]

r8 was also their first rundown

[vapid niche]

no!

[worthy flicker]

I've also taken 5 month breaks from GTFO

[worn kiln]

i think the main issue is the knowledge checks

[hoary crescent]

yes

[worn kiln]

which just end up resuling in an instant death if you dont know about them

with gtfo where runs can be hours long and then lost cuz its your first playthrough that sucks ass

[vapid niche]

like do you mean first rundown as in the first one beaten or first rundown as in first they ever played lmao

[worn kiln]

and gtfos issue is that it doesnt have anything ingame to tell you stuff like that

you have to rely on guides, the wiki and this server

[fossil horizon]

Or bad seeds (mostly don't affect game outside of speedruns and modded)

[junior latch]

Not quite

[junior latch]

Hours

[junior latch]

[fossil horizon]

For casual play it's mostly hours

[junior latch]

hours -> at least 2
For 1 run, no def not

For a clear in general. Oh yea for sure

Imo stull a distinction thats necessary

[worn kiln]

honestly i havent played in so long i dont remember how long runs take

[junior latch]

Spiffs r8e2 clear took multiple months

The run took like 1 1/2 hours

[fossil horizon]

Guys taking shit, walking dogs, eating food etc takes time

[junior latch]

Depends tbf

The general average (once you get past actual newbie stage) is 45-90 min

[brittle schooner]

it rlly depends

[junior latch]

low end is speedruns

high end is people afking

[brittle schooner]

my first r4e1 clear was 2 and a half hours i think lol

first r5e1 clear was 3 hours

[junior latch]

(checkpoints imo = fails so its technically multiple runs)

[fossil horizon]

Someone can be called out to work during run and that work takes up like half an hour

[ancient meadow]

what is the secret terminal code this week R8A2

[junior latch]

my first ALT R4E1 was 2 aswell
But we also went afk for a good bit after reactor

[vapid niche]

post reactor clarity knocking your lights out

[worn kiln]

i remember og r2e1 runs taking hours

[brittle schooner]

alot of that 2 and a half hours was just us planning and discussing strats

not sure how much exactly

[worn kiln]

because everyone i played with was ass except for one person so that person would do almost all the work

[brittle schooner]

prolly at least half an hour

same deal with the r5e1 clear

[fossil horizon]

Based

[worn kiln]

i dont want to imagine how long itd take me to beat r8e2 at this point

[brittle schooner]

well r8e2 forces you at 1 and a half hours max

[worn kiln]

so ill probably just never bother finding out

[fossil horizon]

Party dependent self skill dependent

[worn kiln]

oh i mean like in total

[brittle schooner]

ahh fair enuf xd

[fossil horizon]

But yeah r8e2 is maximum 1 and half

[worn kiln]

how many runs itd take

i remember ages ago when testing for i think rundown 7

we were trying e1 for the whole day

16 hours straight

and could not beat it, then the next day we beat it second try

[fossil horizon]

That's how it works

[worn kiln]

oh yeah im not complaining

im just saying if it took me that long for and e1

i cant imagine how long itd take for e2

[brittle schooner]

tbf assuming you still remember most stuff i dont think it would take that long

as i said earlier, lvl is mostly knowledge check xd

[modern coral]

Again, i dont see this as an issue. If you could clear consistently it wouldnt be a challenge now would it? the point of doing stuff like this is because people find it fun, and as long as it aint hurting nobody i think its fine.

It depends on what the challenge is. There are lots of pub-favored levels which are more fun if your teammates are dogass, because it gives you more things to do.

But in a level like R8E2, if we die to having no half-decent wave clear because I'm Scatter and it's not something I have much control over, or we have no way to deal with bosses and I'm on HEL Rifle, the experience is just frustrating. If I am trying to play those sorts of levels at all, I'd rather at least some other people be pulling their weight so that things run smoothly.

Playing harder content than vanilla as a static is peak for those reasons.

Then avoid playing with people who dont play meta guns. You shouldn't expect nor force other people to play meta guns. I simply think the expectations you have is kinda unreasonable, people want to play diff guns than meta guns, there could be a myriad of reasons as to why, but its not right for you to force them to do otherwise.

That's why you tell them to switch, and then kick them if they don't.

I see your point with this and ya i cant say i disagree, especially the part about a strong mg player. The issue is that sometimes, people just dont want to play hel rifle shrug (main reason from my experience is simply prefrence) or other meta guns.

But then your mere preference makes the run harder for everyone else. I could also run Revo/Revo in R8E2, and I would consider that to be trolling on purpose. I am both not carrying a role, when I could be, and crippling my ability to support someone else that wants to carry an important role.

[worn kiln]

Uhhh, how much has been added or changed since rundown 7

That’s when I mentally checked out

[rose nova]

V37L4-DOS4J
u can check it over at https://andocas.com/gtfo/r8a2/

[junior latch]

At most 1 hour 40 min tbf

[modern coral]

I do not, and I did not bring you up.

[junior latch]

Mechanics? Not much really

A few new enemies in R8, guns and balance changes

[worn kiln]

I see I see

Maybe one day I’ll beat r8 then

[rose nova]

:O

pro gamer?

[worn kiln]

I wanna play through the whole game at some point

I have like 4 achievements

[lost lynx]

Is it?

[rose nova]

mhh

[brittle schooner]

That's why you tell them to switch, and then kick them if they don't.

If you're host? Sure, as long as you dont flame them. It's your full right to do so and I have no issues with that.

But then your mere preference makes the run harder for everyone else.

Yes, but remember, this isn't some ultra hardcore competition with stakes or points on the line. Its a game, and a non-competitive one at that. Where the point is having fun.

YOU prefer to play with meta guns, isn't that a preference? wouldn't you say forcing your preference on other people, friends or randos, is wrong?

Preferring something is fine, but you should not expect other people to abide by your preferences. You want to avoid/not play with people who dont share your prefrences? That's perfectly fine.

I could also run Revo/Revo in R8E2, and I would consider that to be trolling on purpose.

If your doing that with the intention of throwing the run, then yea its trolling.

But if your just doing it because you want more of a challenge or because you like those guns? I do not consider that to be trolling.

Clearing the lvl with those guns is perfectly doable, and you are not trying to do anything that actively throw the runs (and no, running "bad" guns is NOT throwing, if you dont agree with this then lets agree to disagree).

[mellow hedge]

Gtfo chat drama going hard today

[daring ginkgo]

fr

[modern coral]

But if your just doing it because you want more of a challenge or because you like those guns? I do not consider that to be trolling.
I want to focus on this, because this seems very superficial.

That criteria is compatible with this criteria:

If your doing that with the intention of throwing the run, then yea its trolling.

Revo/Revo takes some mechanical skill to play well, and is a loadout that I enjoy playing. However, I could still be in an R8E2 lobby, see that we all have chokes and MGs, and decide to slot Revo/Revo with the intention that it will prevent me from doing much to help with the stealth or class VI (which eventually guarantees a loss).

It's true that I have some preferences for Revo/Revo.

But it's also true that I'm slotting Revo/Revo with the intention to lose, because I know the loadout isn't capable of substantial boss kill or wave clear into mono NM.

[fossil horizon]

So the problem is that you know too much about guns? Obliterate your knowledge and become free

[lost lynx]

Jusr

Just

[rose nova]

be like slendi, slendi has forgotten every single stat

[lost lynx]

Can we just move

[shut vapor]

knowing weapon stats is more of a curse than a blessing. You become more cringe knowing them

[modern coral]

Well that's the problem I have, it seems weird that being able to carry and choosing not to would be considered trolling, but being able to learn better guns and choosing not to is not. Either they both are, or neither is.

[mellow hedge]

maybe people just want to have fun

[modern coral]

Then be consistent.

[burnt flume]

imma keep it real i aint joining a pub to have fun

but then again maybe being a gender minority doesn't help to that end

[shut vapor]

Why is this relevant in the slightest

[mellow hedge]

my gf runs carbine and arbalest in most of her runs

[unreal crystal]

that’s what im saying

[burnt flume]

because of my displeasure of certain words being used to refer to me and the vibe of the average player

[mellow hedge]

i pub for fun ngl idk about you guys

[unreal crystal]

Nah I pub for fun

[worn kiln]

i dont think id have fun in pubs

i dont think id be able to find a pub actually

[shut vapor]

If you are joining pubs knowing you will expect toxicity then there's no excuse for you

[rose nova]

i had a ton of fun with pubs cuz i didnt want to do hard levels

i helped on a lot of R1 lobbies

mostly r1d1, i got like 20 clears with LFGs

[mellow hedge]

i love that song

[rose nova]

i love helping new players

[worn kiln]

i had fun in pubs back in r1 and 2

[shut vapor]

[worn kiln]

then i became a moderator and havent touched the channels since

[mellow hedge]

bad mod can we get a ban here please

[shut vapor]

[rose nova]

ban soy rn

[worn kiln]

😔 .

[shut vapor]

When's the GTFO minecraft server arriving?

[unreal crystal]

I can’t believe I missed most of this argument cause I was asleep

[worn kiln]

youre a couple years too late

[unreal crystal]

Fucked up world

[shut vapor]

being british does that to you

[lost lynx]

make it right now

[burnt flume]

it's fine, it'll happen again next week

[mellow hedge]

same

really is a corrupt world we live in

[unreal crystal]

Real as fuck

[worn kiln]

be the argument you want to see in chat

i take no responsibility for any arguments caused by that message

[mellow hedge]

TRUE

[burnt flume]

i was trying to get in some r8a1 runs instead of arguing

but eh whatever the entire thing gave me a headache anyhow

[lost lynx]

nobody is keeping you here

[rose nova]

guys i like men
am i doing this correctly

[lost lynx]

you could have just left

[worn kiln]

depends which men

[shut vapor]

GREGGGGG :D

[worn kiln]

are they gtfo related

[lost lynx]

who?

you talk too much about Greg

is it your bf?

[shut vapor]

GregoriousT

[burnt flume]

well i don't, i like women instead, how on earth can you like men

[rose nova]

gay

[rose nova]

hackett :3

[burnt flume]

yes, but enough about you

[worn kiln]

haha

got em

[rose nova]

damn

[brittle schooner]

shouldnt have fell asleep!

[worn kiln]

yeah you should wake up

[mellow hedge]

people like the masculinity

[unreal crystal]

Ray brought up an interesting argument tho I think

[mellow hedge]

and the schlong

[lost lynx]

gay

[shut vapor]

fellas I blundered turn 1 hearthstone, thoughts?

[worn kiln]

women can be masculine

[shut vapor]

is this why Im 800 elo

[unreal crystal]

you win those still

[mellow hedge]

TRUE

[rose nova]

thats why i am only partially gay

[mellow hedge]

so its just the schlong then

[rose nova]

bisexuality W

[worn kiln]

excuse me but this is gtfo-chat please keep all discussions about gtffo 🤓

[burnt flume]

something something what are the chances a butch lesbian bla bla bla

[shut vapor]

I'll keep you as a fish if you don't rawr

[pseudo sedge]

am i gay if i think about getting pinned down by a bbc everytime i see one?

[worn kiln]

i feel like i could keep goin with this joke but i dont think i should

[lost lynx]

yes

[worn kiln]

what if i want to be a fish

[shut vapor]

Would you still be mod if I was a fish

[worn kiln]

yes

[rose nova]

I JUST CAAANT WAIT TO BE FIIIIIIISH

[shut vapor]

:3

(I lost my hearthstone game, my greed was my downfall)

[lost lynx]

good

[mellow hedge]

yeah maybe not lmaooo

[unreal crystal]

LOL

fuck I missed some good shit

[worn kiln]

why dont you give your opinion on the mg

[unreal crystal]

bad

[worn kiln]

start the fire back up

[unreal crystal]

but people should already know it’s bad at this stage

We’re on gun argument number 700

[worn kiln]

why bad

[mellow hedge]

doesnt mean using it is trolling tho

[unreal crystal]

well trolling relies on intent

[worn kiln]

i am humble admin with 590 hours

[mellow hedge]

yeah

[worn kiln]

i dont understand what makes guns bad or good

[burnt flume]

you can use different designations or definitions of trolling, or limit to a certain scope

[mellow hedge]

if its a hel gun its good

[worn kiln]

but i dont like hel guns

[rose nova]

when hel arbalist

[mellow hedge]

ur trolling

[burnt flume]

like are you trolling as in intentionally griefing? trolling your team by taking low output guns? etc etc

[junior latch]

Kill fast, kill lots, kill efficient

[worn kiln]

cry about it

who you gonna report me to

the admins?

/s?

[mellow hedge]

😔

[mellow hedge]

but like is a pub taking those guns them trolling?

i dont think so

[lost lynx]

guys

[worn kiln]

i just run guns i find fun

[lost lynx]

please lets just not

[worn kiln]

last time i played that was the pdw and high caliber pistol

am i a troll

[rose nova]

as explained, a person who takes a suboptimal gun into a hard level is not an idiot

[junior latch]

in a way saying picking MG is trolling is like saying that picking a 47% winrate champ is trolling in league

also omfg im sorry for referencing league

[lost lynx]

yes because you arent doing meta

and you suck

[rose nova]

thats the final point of it all

[fossil horizon]

Pable don't interfere

[unreal crystal]

but regardless of intent if you run mg on e2 or some level where there’s not many smalls im probably just greeding ammo ngl

[worn kiln]

yeah well your name has ass in it

[burnt flume]

Are they intentionally trolling your game and trying to grief? Most likely not
Are they still trolling the output of your team? Yes

[worn kiln]

whos really meta

[rose nova]

WAIT WHY AM I FISH I JUST NOTICED

WHAT

[worn kiln]

haha fished

[mellow hedge]

trolling output of team is a little stupid of a metric

[junior latch]

Understandable considering you likely are running hel gun

[rose nova]

NOOOOO

🐟

[mellow hedge]

fair

[unreal crystal]

I’d rate mg as a lower winrate than 47% tho tbh

[unreal crystal]

But this also depends on how I feel about the run

Sometimes I just let shit happen

[burnt flume]

Is it a worthwhile metric to be using? That's an entire debate in itself

The point here is that you can apply the word trolling to a specific scope to change the meaning, which is what is done by saying "trolling the output of your team"

[unreal crystal]

maybe that makes me a troll sometimes

[junior latch]

eh

Funnily enough the reference of 47% vs 53% in low elo (low tiers)

vs 47% vs 53% in high elo ( hardest levels) is kinda similar

[unreal crystal]

you’re stepping too far into league territory buddy let’s back it up rn

[mellow hedge]

honestly just let pubs have fun

[junior latch]

I know words like inting/trolling etc are more generally used nowadays

Doesnt mean that they are used correctly. Even less so if the intent is of the argument is that its the weaker choice and not actually trolling

[worn kiln]

icl if someone reported a person trolling to us and it was just them using a gun people dont want

idk if we'd be able to do anything

[junior latch]

i think youd snicker at them lol

[worn kiln]

neverr

we never find reports funny

[junior latch]

Its like people flaming you for not taking boosters

[mellow hedge]

i know you do

[worn kiln]

we are always serious

[junior latch]

AYO

actually

team

not picking boosters is trolling

[burnt flume]

i still got nothing from the sleepyboi saga last year where someone fuckin used kickmod to remove me from the lobby for no reason while their friend was fuckin trolling

[worn kiln]

back in my day the opposite was true

[junior latch]

way bigger difference than MG pick

[rose nova]

i like to think eva calls irl people "team" as how some streamers call people "chat"

[fossil horizon]

My friend got gaslighted for that

[rose nova]

"hey team lets wash the dishes ok"

[junior latch]

Picking boosters all the time is wack (actual opinion)

I do think they are ok to help people who are stuck tho!

[junior latch]

Yea that was wild ngl

[worn kiln]

the only boosters i run are glowstick power

the rest confuse me

[junior latch]

I still remember you showing me the clip

How to flame goat who did nothing wrong

[brittle schooner]

i said this earlier btw ^^ glad to hear someone agree

[modern coral]

Ngl, I don't think that's true.

[junior latch]

only in a team setting lol

[worn kiln]

anything can be a team setting

[rose nova]

ur house is a team setting

[unreal crystal]

Honestly I go back and forth, sometimes im perma hel gun sometimes i wanna run anything but that fkin loadout

[junior latch]

Bioscan speeeeed

r8e2 scans are a meme

[modern coral]

But the booster system is very disanalogous simply because of perfect boosters and them normally being limited use.

[unreal crystal]

It changes every couple months

[worn kiln]

boosters are ass

lame mechanic

[rose nova]

slowly becoming a vet its starting

[junior latch]

yea I do get that

Ive recently been running bullpup/arbalist when in pubs

[unreal crystal]

But for e2 I think im more meta focused because its less effort

[worn kiln]

not in the sense of using them is cheating or whatever

[rose nova]

using guns u dont normally use for fun = based

[worn kiln]

i just dont like them

[burnt flume]

"dude... don't do that. why- why do you wake room beforehand, we could have giants" he says to me, before running into a room of 4 smalls with knife and getting licked three times (and then later going on to actually wake up a room with giants in it)

[rose nova]

close enough

[junior latch]

When will I ever use bullpup in my runs otherwise lol

[unreal crystal]

R8b4, r8e2 and r8d2 im way more inclined to lock in for than anything else rlly

[rose nova]

thats what i mean ksmdk i also tended to run a lot of weird loadouts in r1d1

[junior latch]

R8B4 is unironically… super chill at the end ngl

[rose nova]

then picked the cool guns on my clears

[worn kiln]

i always ran dmr in r1

i was the king of dmr defenders

[unreal crystal]

Pubs still struggle with it tbh

[worn kiln]

not really

but i was a big one

[rose nova]

i ran a lot of dmr in r1c2 lobbies cuz it was my chance to use it without wastin all the ammo

[unreal crystal]

had to checkpoint a few times last pub I ran

[rose nova]

on misses

[junior latch]

Oh yea for sure
Especially with secondary (lights off and fog) its scuff for them

[worn kiln]

skill issue

[unreal crystal]

fr

[brittle schooner]

is it? i dont think so lul, its defo alot easier compared to pre-nerf but i feel like its still fairly hard

[unreal crystal]

I just needed to grab the ammo

[worn kiln]

sorry the ghost of gtfo elietism took over me for a second

[unreal crystal]

should’ve been me

[junior latch]

you can legit sprint through the whole thing and get datasphere after the last teamscan before extract one and not rly struggle or have to shoot wave more than twice

[brittle schooner]

or oh wait

u mean speedrun prolly

derp

[junior latch]

Oh no I agree it is

It was recently a bit overhyped tho and you can unironically finish the path to extract within 2 waves of spawns

[rose nova]

i tried b4 once after the nerf but i forgotten how different it is

i cleared it before the nerf

[analog flicker]

[unreal crystal]

Pre nerf went hard

[worn kiln]

the fact you guys remember so many levels is crazy to me

[junior latch]

Yea thats where I got the sudden funny perspective on it

I will add, this only applies IF you know the zones and spawn layout

[junior latch]

^

super fun

actually scary

[junior latch]

all of them

[rose nova]

i coulddd tell u every gtfo level ive completed

[analog flicker]

The people who did pre-nerf without turning off fog tho

[burnt flume]

i should've played the pre nerf version

[worn kiln]

i remember like 10 total levels

[junior latch]

2 or was it 3

[rose nova]

only exceptions are r4e1, r5e1 annnnd r4c3

[rose nova]

_>

[junior latch]

<3

[unreal crystal]

I’ve still never turned fog off

[burnt flume]

never bothered to though, i did most the first levels then took a few months off

[junior latch]

Yea thats lame ngl

[brittle schooner]

yea that i can fully agree with

[burnt flume]

ah right you can run all the way back to the start

[brittle schooner]

once u know what your doing is rlly not that bad

[junior latch]

Ill upload run in a bit

[unreal crystal]

I don’t know how to and I don’t want to know

[brittle schooner]

i watched most of it already

[junior latch]

We had 1 down at the end due to 2 missplays. But you will see what I mean

[brittle schooner]

from frosty pov

for once not laggy stream!

[junior latch]

Smh

[junior latch]

Crazy

[torn crow]

one more to party, pls

[worn kiln]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[torn crow]

thx

[worn kiln]

np

havent done that in ages

[rose nova]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if your new be sure to do the tutorial first [on the top left] and start on rundown 1/6 since they are the easiest ones

[junior latch]

Id honestly be surprised if Frosty saw any enemies until the mom ngl

And then he messes up the mom kill @mellow hedge scattergun users crying out

[rose nova]

what if i speedrun with the absolute worst guns ever made to speedrun

what are like the slowest ttk, arbalist aaaand, ar?

[unreal crystal]

You wouldn’t have fun probably

[worn kiln]

pacifist run

[rose nova]

i like dumb ideas that i will never carry out

[worn kiln]

gtfo is meant to be fun?

[rose nova]

thats why i have a whole rundown in my google docs

[unreal crystal]

makes sense

[rose nova]

[unreal crystal]

Yea probably

[modern coral]

The interesting speed shit is banning top 2-3 tiers of weaps

But stacking MGs isn't very interesting.

[torn crow]

oh, thx

[unreal crystal]

the 4 man super mg backwalk

goes crazy

[worn kiln]

british speedrun

knife only

[modern coral]

Long kite every encounter 😴

[rose nova]

4 auto sentries 4 hel autopiss 4 verutas 4 knifes

the brrrr run

[worn kiln]

kite?

i havent heard that name in years

not since

the yellow health bar

[unreal crystal]

That’s where the boosters come in

It makes sense now

[modern coral]

!

[brittle schooner]

for the most part ye basically none lul

[mellow hedge]

that was a dogshit kill

[junior latch]

Youd probably pick 4 snipers ngl

Ammo does get scarce on a lot of runs and you mostly have to deal with tons of smalls or a rare sudden giant. Sniper… doesnt help with that

Then probably bullpup or AR
(Bullpup due to longer reload and AR due to being ass)

Unironically speedruns do pick non S tier guns more often, at least in the special slot, since you generally play more chaotic situations in a ton of levels
Tho well… scattergun lol

[junior latch]

Outside of knifes not horrible for many early speeds ngl

[unreal crystal]

do we pick non S tier weapons?

isn’t like 1 sniper the main one that’s picked

[junior latch]

hel auto sentry is actually good in many speeds
Hel auto pp is… alright (good here and there as a standalone)
Machine gun is a lower tier combat shotty 💀
And knife is good altho door breaks suffer

[unreal crystal]

Rest is usually S no?

I don’t remember r2e1’s loadout

[junior latch]

combat shotgun

is not rated S

and likely the highest special pick over the games speeds

[unreal crystal]

Oh right kenny always runs it

How could I forget

[junior latch]

high cal and shotgun are also rare but pretty common

[junior latch]

And me
And frosty
And tgb
And etc

like why would you pick hel gun/rifle in many runs over it

[unreal crystal]

4 combat shotguns doesn’t seem very good

you need the special weapon loadout guide

[junior latch]

you usually change stuff up ye

But 3 combat and a scatter/hel rifle is still more combat than not

r8b4 had 2 combat, 1 hel gun (zoomer scout kill and wave clear) and 1 scatter

[modern coral]

Usually CS is getting taken in places where it's time neutral, ngl.

I think if you're really optimizing you just slot HEL Gun always

[junior latch]

aha

[unreal crystal]

im ngl i dont get why you need 2 CS for that level

But I guess that’s the point

It doesn’t matter

[junior latch]

The 40-50 enemies on our ass

[rose nova]

thats why i said slowest ttk ik u speedrunniiers take lots of fast ttk as hel shottie carbine combat shottie
...
well idek if combat shotties fast ttk but but sure

[unreal crystal]

wish there was a primary that did what cshotty did

[shut vapor]

CS

[unreal crystal]

But had pen

[shut vapor]

CM

[junior latch]

Hence us having 2 hel shotties

[rose nova]

csm

[unreal crystal]

p sure hel guns would just clear it better tbh

[junior latch]

have fun clearing a wave of babies like that

or the 15 strikers all around you

[unreal crystal]

I win those

[junior latch]

and then the other 20 behind

the level is unironically quite funny as a speed

you go from shooting a shitton

to basically not at all until ending

[unreal crystal]

idk I think it’s still a better slot than cshotty

It’s just a more mechanically intensive gun

But you get more out of it

cshotty is just a comfortable pick but I don’t think it’s best in slot

[junior latch]

yea
if you get the time to shoot

[unreal crystal]

the run didn’t look that bad when I was watching

and in the situation where im needing to shoot enemies like that im likely just shooting sawed off ngl

[junior latch]

as someone who had sawed off

you dont kill barely enough

[unreal crystal]

crazy statement

[junior latch]

theres a reason hel shotties are so fucking good for the 1st team scan door

beth

you have 20+ babies on you and 20+ strikers

and thats without the wave

[unreal crystal]

average samdown scan honestly

[modern coral]

No bosses

[junior latch]

yea
but now you dont get to loot unless its near a scan or during a big red

[modern coral]

not very Samdown

[junior latch]

2 bosses tbf

[unreal crystal]

Oh true no bosses

[junior latch]

tho scatter exists

[modern coral]

2 bosses

Samdown scan

[burnt flume]

what if r4e1 but samdown

never pause, simply hold W and kill on scan

[fossil horizon]

Samdown disease spreads so fast

[brittle schooner]

is a gud disease at least

[pseudo sedge]

damn ig we should just become better and pick shittier gun for level just cause

combat shotty kills spread out babies

hel gun doesnt

thus better

[lost lynx]

I find sniper to be better for the babies

[unreal crystal]

tgb I don’t think you’re worth arguing with seeing as you lack the ability to understand why mg is a bad gun

Despite talking about stats 24/7

just be better lmao

I watched the runs and they did not look anywhere near as scary as it’s being made out to be

This was also the case with r5c2 main speed

[barren bridge]

I keep thinking about going back and finishing off Rundown 8 soon. Idk if I'm too rusty to clear it though lol

[unreal crystal]

PE was just way more engaging

[junior latch]

might be too good

[fossil horizon]

Nope it's same as if I would say "vanilla so bad , no 10 bosses per door open, in redemption ft i would get a 10 bosses per wave" so it's same disease

[lost lynx]

I find it funny how half of the modded content is just basically that

[barren bridge]

Ykw I'm doing it I just gotta hard commit and hope I don't suffer too much lol

[lost lynx]

Take 10 error tank alarms with enemies with 90000HP that do 80 damage, cant be stagger and oh yeah also 50 tanks? We like tanks right?

[rose nova]

just uh recomplete all the levels u done if rusty :3

[lost lynx]

Hmmm yeah add a mom that can birth 100 babies

[rose nova]

right

[lost lynx]

Thats better

[junior latch]

maybe if some other people didnt voice their takes in the most shitty manner

MGs arent good, but they are also not hot garbage unless your point for balance is Hel gun = perfectly balanced nowadays

[barren bridge]

I just want to get the last 2 levels done. I'm 99% sure that I only have 2 uncleared levels in Rundown 8.

[rose nova]

uh good luck sufferin

[unreal crystal]

They are bottom tier specials eva

[barren bridge]

I've been trying to PE the entire rundown

It is not going well lol

[unreal crystal]

They’re bad compared to the mid tiers

[rose nova]

its a veryyy funky knowledge check
if u need help on anything u can always ask ur questions

[burnt flume]

again, what scope is the word "trolling" being applied to here
how shitty is the manner in which the take is disseminated versus how shitty is it in the manner that it's received and critiqued

[unreal crystal]

This message is factually correct

[junior latch]

eh i semi agree
I agree that they are bad, but bad appearantly can be some insane difference for some people

[burnt flume]

because you can make the argument less polarising through your own demeanour/choice of words even if you communicate the same sentiment

[junior latch]

trolling, throwing

saying theyll flame people for it

[junior latch]

yea you can

[brittle schooner]

this^

choice of words matter

[junior latch]

like... you know so people dont actually start flaming people over a fucking MG pick

[lost lynx]

"people that pick MG are idiots"

[junior latch]

^

[lost lynx]

"why do You even play the game"

Cmon

Like

[junior latch]

this is legit another moment where I would quote ray

[brittle schooner]

you cant say shit like that and not expect people to reply

[junior latch]

about a certain comment they made

but im not toxic so

[lost lynx]

How can You defend that

[junior latch]

(well not usually ngl)

[unreal crystal]

League player

It’s inside you somewhere

[junior latch]

hence the not usually xD

also I rarely flame in league honestly

[lost lynx]

You are playing the game wrong then

[junior latch]

I mostly get disappointed, comes from years of coaching id say

[rose nova]

i guess u water in league instead :3
idk anything about it to

[unreal crystal]

I think it’s just the result of pubbing a lot tbh

[rose nova]

make a joke

[burnt flume]

i f your mother son of whr

[analog flicker]

I don't pick mg because I think it's strong. I pick it because I know it's "bad". Probably

[unreal crystal]

You play a ton and you watch runs crumble to ammo issues cause of loadout issues primarily

[analog flicker]

[unreal crystal]

obviously, it’s not entirely loadout related, the players can just be bad

but a bad player with a better loadout would perform better

[burnt flume]

i've seen ammo evapourate in r4e1 shadow stealth because of machine gun/player skill

[junior latch]

also R8B4 isnt that bad
it took us like 10 actual tries (over 15 were reset due to wrong terminal) and once we made it into the 2nd t-scan (which we did two times total) we beat the game on the 1 where we didnt have 2 scout waves and already 1 dead

[brittle schooner]

this does not justify the statements spoken

[rose nova]

if the will of the man has been broken beyond recognition is their job to pick it back up and reconstruct the shell of what they were

[lost lynx]

Yeah i understand
But that doesnt mean they are idiots that should quit GTFO

[unreal crystal]

Who said I was justifying

Relax holy shit LOL

[junior latch]

this moreso than MG ngl

the one thing I give to MG dislike is that people feel like they are doing smth and pressing down left click using more ammo than say a high cal player

but if a player is bad -> theyll use ammo anyway

[lost lynx]

Im just quotting

[rose nova]

i tried to make it sound very dramatic i think it worked ksmdkms

[burnt flume]

this is exactly what was happening earlier today

[lost lynx]

Or however is spelt

[rose nova]

im sorry

[analog flicker]

me when the pub eats the 4 use.

[mellow hedge]

more that they take a long time to get while not being easy runs

[junior latch]

reminds me of when i did og r6c2 pubs

and they took both 4 use ammos from me (sniper)

[mellow hedge]

i guess its hard to gauge if you dont run it

[junior latch]

then shot it away into the scout rooms

[lost lynx]

OG R6
Grandpa

[unreal crystal]

didn’t you guys run for like less than an hour and get a 13 min run

that’s not that long cmon now

[junior latch]

51 min today
about an hour and a half on the session before

[fossil horizon]

That guys who can't kill mom with 6 scatter shots

[junior latch]

R8B4 isnt that bad yea

R5C2 was fucked at times ngl

shadow zones specifically is rough

[mellow hedge]

i meant r5c2

took 3 days

[junior latch]

bruh no way

[analog flicker]

Me when someone missed the second scatter shot on mom in A2 extreme.

[lost lynx]

Thats so me

[junior latch]

reminder we did sessions before that with tru

[mellow hedge]

ya

so technically 4 days

[unreal crystal]

you don’t wanna know how many days we’ve ran r4e1 for

[mellow hedge]

yeah

we just wanted a run tho

[junior latch]

tho with tru we got further (while slower tho) more often than with you frosty
I was very concerned wed have to swap australians

[mellow hedge]

BRUH

[lost lynx]

Frosty throwing????

[junior latch]

<3

[fossil horizon]

Lmao

[mellow hedge]

i had to learn the run

[brittle schooner]

it felt like it based on your wording, that is all. if you didnt then mb, i simply take massive issue with the wording ray used in his so called "arguments", how much of it he actually means or is just poor word choice i am not even sure of tbh

[junior latch]

we ran some more risky strats too

[unreal crystal]

I think you care way too much tbh

[lost lynx]

(insert Eva sticker here)

[unreal crystal]

It isn’t that deep realistically

[analog flicker]

insert "wow. Toxic"

[mellow hedge]

ngl just let people have fun

[unreal crystal]

But it is actually frustrating to lose runs like that

and I get that

What’s a bitch gotta do

[junior latch]

^

Oh having players like that does for sure suck

[unreal crystal]

The moral dilemma

[mellow hedge]

i wouldnt expect much ngl

[unreal crystal]

do I light troll the run to save my mental

[mellow hedge]

yes

[unreal crystal]

Or do I go into it trying to get a win

[junior latch]

but ray does have a certain impact on community opinions and whether he means stuff like that or not, the wording was atrocious

[mellow hedge]

just always play with someone you know

[junior latch]

always

but ye like
If I play full pubs the clear is just a bonus

the experience of playing with wacky randoms is what counts

[rose nova]

so trues

[brittle schooner]

mayhaps

[junior latch]

like wth do I care about my 50th clear

[unreal crystal]

I think the argument is in the context of solo pubbing

because duo is easy as fuck tbh

[fossil horizon]

You cosplay ghost face and talk shit for saving mental

[mellow hedge]

fair

but honestly you cant expect shit from pubs

[burnt flume]

gtfo is a duo game after all

[rose nova]

even when i was lfging for clears it didnt mattered to me actually winnin
flashbacks to eva and i runnin r4d2 and me throing spectacularly at the end

[unreal crystal]

Unironically it is

[rose nova]

teehee oops

[mellow hedge]

[unreal crystal]

gtfo is just a duo game

[pine root]

Mg players are idiots

[burnt flume]

it is, but look what happened last time someone said that

[junior latch]

it says a lot that I dont even remember that ngl

[pine root]

hate to say guys

[rose nova]

i do i was so ashamed KMSDKM

[mellow hedge]

gtfo is a solo game you guys are just bad

[lost lynx]

What happened

[unreal crystal]

Just people unable to accept they are bad at the game

[mystic moss]

i will not tolerate your extremist opinion

[pine root]

Sorry jozy

[rose nova]

i uh shot him as a haha and we didnt recover KMSDKMS

[junior latch]

GTFO is obviously a 0 player game since its Dead (repeat gtfo dead meme that was very overused even 2 years ago)

[rose nova]

[unreal crystal]

Half the people talking here don’t even play the game anyway

[lost lynx]

Oh Slendi

[rose nova]

:3 oopsie

[unreal crystal]

And they’re getting pressed about takes that people who actually play the game have

insane

[junior latch]

one could argue that likely 99% of people talking arent playing the game right now

as they are likely not in a run

[fossil horizon]

Eva saying he will leave lobby if kraken tumour is alive for another minute

[rose nova]

in my case it was a bigger force not just cuz i wanted to stop playing :[

[brittle schooner]

i am :3

[unreal crystal]

If I was in gtfo I’d be typing mid run

[junior latch]

bruh what

[unreal crystal]

Im a real one for that

[worn kiln]

gtfo opinions are now only valid if you are currently in an r8e2 run

[pine root]

Same beth

[burnt flume]

didn't have time to type all i wanted on those 2 team scans in r8a1

i am low tier

[unreal crystal]

Ill stagger the hybrid barrage and tab out to respond real quick

[fossil horizon]

Sorry don't have clip for it but it was on Alex E2 clear

[pine root]

You’re in the 3 clones tier goat

[worn kiln]

clones?

as in clone theory

[unreal crystal]

chimp theory

goes a lot harder tbh

[fossil horizon]

Clones war

[worn kiln]

throwback

i remember the days of chimp theory

i hated them

[unreal crystal]

blind to the truth

Average gtfo chatter

[worn kiln]

i never said i didnt believe it

[unreal crystal]

and yet you banned those who believed in it…

Curious

[mellow hedge]

its a serious theory

[burnt flume]

enough monkeying around

[mellow hedge]

for a serious channel

[worn kiln]

hey you dont know it was me

i also dont know if it was me

[unreal crystal]

You know what you did

[worn kiln]

yeah

[junior latch]

not sub 8:30 smh

[worn kiln]

joined this server

biggest mistake ever

[mellow hedge]

true

[worn kiln]

i got this game to play with someone i played dbd with at the time

they never got the game

[junior latch]

oof

[honest parrot]

I mean thanks to this server I now know that chargers have heads

[burnt flume]

go bother frosty about his time

[mellow hedge]

i ran for 2 days and got a 9:12

maybe ill run again when i want to kms

[worn kiln]

thank god you werent a minute quicker

[junior latch]

frosty is currently forced to make maps for R6D4

[mellow hedge]

actuaqlly it was only 1 day

[mellow hedge]

true

[mellow hedge]

[honest parrot]

I imagine it's not fun?

[mellow hedge]

also eva could we not have done the same cube mapping for r6c1?

[junior latch]

yes

[mellow hedge]

i have to drop to get the seed for every box spawn

[mellow hedge]

did we not know about it?

[junior latch]

not about the locker nr thing

but for r6c1 it was generally deemed as not worth the work

[mellow hedge]

do you not literally have to drop twice for each cube?

[junior latch]

1st and 2nd yea

3rd idk

[mellow hedge]

this is so easy

are people just lazy?

[junior latch]

but also

[mellow hedge]

i wouldve done it

[junior latch]

do you want to datacube reset nowadays

[mellow hedge]

back then i wouldve

[junior latch]

and even less so during competition xD

(unironically btw R8B4 wouldve been pretty good for the competition ngl)

[unreal crystal]

Back then you were running all day everyday

[mellow hedge]

both second room and pit cube we just dont take

[unreal crystal]

so yeah not shocking

[mellow hedge]

erm actually we took a 3 day break before the last day 🤓

cause kenny actually needs to work to live

[unreal crystal]

weirdo

[analog flicker]

[wicked solstice]

damn kenny made the intro for Spiff’s E2

[mellow hedge]

i was in that video guys!!!!

[wicked solstice]

hell yeah