#gtfo-chat

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brittle schooner
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TRUE

fleet kettle
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That's kinda expected on that topic tbh, how many there are people, that many there are opinions. Without adding info on ur expected playstyle people will keep comparing incomparable things. At least I prefaced mine with "without prior experience or knowledge on guns r3d1 is harder than r2d1 because of added pressure in terms of error alarm". Also 4axis difficulty scale isn't rly decent scale to use to determine difficulty. Length itself as one of axis can skew soo much on each level depending on the level objective. Going off from context of levels it either contributes to complexity of objective and it takes longer time to figure it out, or it contributes to fatigue. Too volatile to be used to categorize all levels.

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Tbh I kinda ate shit with length axis explanation, but I still stand by my point that length isn't contributing to difficulty linearly unlike for example resouce availability.

nimble pumice
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I propose a single axis (if you even wish to call it that) , binary difficulty system.
Do you have sawed off?
y/n

fleet kettle
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Lmao

gusty burrow
# fleet kettle That's kinda expected on that topic tbh, how many there are people, that many th...

The 4 axis are largely a meme which were intended to highlight the assumptions being made during a level-difficulty-discussion that happened a while ago. Similar issue of comparing incomparable things due to differing starting assumptions.

But the point of bringing it up again was to do the exact same thing of highlighting different starting assumptions / getting people to think about what their assumptions or biases are.

fleet kettle
nimble pumice
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meta-analysis of the gtfo-chat debate

gusty burrow
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IIRC the 4 axis were from a level-difficulty-discussion involving R4E1, and points that kept being brought up to show that R4E1 was "difficult" or "easy" was that it has "lots of resources", "mom zone is an insta wipe", "it has a double boss fight" and "its really long"

fleet kettle
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R4C2 is hardest

gusty burrow
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Perhaps based on this R2D1 vs R3D1 we should add the prior level knowledge difficulty axis

fleet kettle
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Unlike length

pseudo sedge
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can we make an 16-dimensional graph where we place every single level so we can debate their difficulty more accurately?

gusty burrow
fleet kettle
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If it's a bit can we stop?

nimble pumice
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this is real

worthy flicker
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I think I was on my DTR/HCP loadout shit when I cleared R3D1 fwiw to you

fleet kettle
# nimble pumice this is real

Real - we gonna keep finding more and more axis like that until it really becomes 20-dimensional with multiverse time travel graph

worthy flicker
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Idk how op you consider those

fringe garden
brittle schooner
gusty burrow
fringe garden
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every level reasonably has to be assessed on a difficulty of execution assuming full knowledge of level

gusty burrow
pseudo sedge
daring ginkgo
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Wtf, big debates on gtfo chatScout

fringe garden
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completion

nimble pumice
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id also add the style axis

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how stylish do you wish to be?

gusty burrow
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Which many people coming to the table for the discussion - who may have only cleared the level once and done so blind - would not necessarily have made when weighting a level's difficulty

fleet kettle
nimble pumice
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styling out may compromise execution at time

worthy flicker
brittle schooner
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the amount of things 2 consider are so much im pretty sure we'd be here until the heat death of the universe

nimble pumice
worthy flicker
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Because irregardless of how good knife is knife melee only would become unfeasible at some point I feel

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Knife is just the most stylish melee to me

nimble pumice
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use spear

worthy flicker
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No

brittle schooner
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for the most part u can knife only everything

worthy flicker
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Every level?

junior latch
worthy flicker
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I mean look if you feel like you can take on the tank with only a knife I applaud you, I'm not quite there yet

junior latch
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Oh and knife isnt great vs megamom and kraken

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Tank is also pretty meh yea

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Shits on pmom tho

daring ginkgo
brittle schooner
worthy flicker
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Oh you can probably blender babies barbarically with knife

junior latch
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And 4 knifes clear giants easily ngl

fringe garden
# gusty burrow That seems like a very major starting assumption

i don't think so
any other way to phrase the question just makes little sense to me because it's inherently assuming that the team is playing suboptimally
which is just extremely subjective because what team is doing what? are averaging all teams doing that? it just raises more questions than it answers

worthy flicker
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Yeah, giant is iirc only 3 good knife hits?

daring ginkgo
worthy flicker
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They just have to be good knife hits

brittle schooner
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r8e2 i doubt is knifable due to a certain gimmick the lvl has

brittle schooner
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there's prolly more but thats the main one i can think of

fringe garden
junior latch
gusty burrow
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Are people who cleared the level once and did so blind just not allowed to take part in level difficulty discussions now

worthy flicker
# junior latch 5

I thought it was 3 if you hit it in the back of elbows and knees, my bad

daring ginkgo
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Cool

gusty burrow
worthy flicker
junior latch
fringe garden
junior latch
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Their opinion will not be well founded

brittle schooner
junior latch
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Hence there being a „first clear blind“ and a „full knowledge“ difficulty

daring ginkgo
junior latch
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They are very VERY different

worthy flicker
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I'm gonna be honest, I think every level in this game gets easier when you have 3 clears let alone 30, let alone with a consistent group and that in and of itself can skew perspective heavily

gusty burrow
daring ginkgo
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🥲

junior latch
fleet kettle
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~~let the cyberbullying commence nkoDOmega ~~

worthy flicker
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Like, yeah, you can tell people just going into levels they're easy, but speaking to them from their own level? Idk.

junior latch
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but for full team… not rly

daring ginkgo
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Yeah, fair

junior latch
worthy flicker
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You can't even hand a new player a hel rifle I'm ngl

junior latch
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you can

nimble pumice
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absolutely can

worthy flicker
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I've witnessed firsthand it not going well like 3 times

junior latch
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often they start carrying r1c1 runs for their team if they actually shoot from ground level

brittle schooner
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especially if they come from an fps background

pseudo sedge
junior latch
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they gotta know the WHY and HOW

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Beginners often use hel rifle as an anti giant sniper lol

nimble pumice
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hel rifle is great for newbies

worthy flicker
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Idk man, I've tried. New players I've played with do not like hel weapons in my experience.

junior latch
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but when they understand its pen small destruction they go hard

daring ginkgo
pseudo sedge
junior latch
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Beginners do not like it cuz its different (plus charge up)

worthy flicker
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Got 12 people into it

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Seeing who stays

junior latch
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3 groups is nothing lol

brittle schooner
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when using hel rifle/hel gun

junior latch
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I think ive helped/watched like 10 groups this past week alone

junior latch
nimble pumice
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thankfully hel rifle has a quick charge up

worthy flicker
junior latch
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like =/= use it well

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sniper is SUPER well liked among beginners

worthy flicker
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That's fair

junior latch
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not a good choice for them tho usually

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hel rifle is also a lot easier than hel gun for newbies

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body shots, scout kill etc

worthy flicker
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I'll give you that

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Hel Gun is harder to use

junior latch
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but theres still a good majority that use it like sniper…

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which obviously isnt good

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but thats on them

daring ginkgo
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I almost passed out from reload speed

worthy flicker
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Ime tho they generally don't like Hel Shotgun and Revo is a 50/50

junior latch
nimble pumice
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everybody knows what a sniper is

brittle schooner
gusty burrow
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The trick is that it is called "Sniper"

junior latch
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^

brittle schooner
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it's like barely any more dmg iirc

junior latch
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call sniper ARCHCANNON

gusty burrow
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Same as AR being called "Assault Rifle"

worthy flicker
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No one knows what a "hel rifle" is

nimble pumice
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the first special that I used when I got into the game was sniper

junior latch
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and nobody picks it comparetively

junior latch
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bullpup too

worthy flicker
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The first special I used when I got into GTFO was the HCP tbh

junior latch
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its very very obvious

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you can even see it in pickrates

worthy flicker
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Bullpup lmao

nimble pumice
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I used pdw sniper and bullpup choke mod

junior latch
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ALT R2 pickrates had

Bullpup/smg/ar and shotgun/combat shotgun/sniper as top 3 picked each

nimble pumice
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fun times :)

worthy flicker
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I used DTR cause it looked cool and HCP

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And I decided to just Git Gud with DTR

daring ginkgo
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When i was new and cleared few lvls i tried different guns, then it was Sniper turn and i was like, "w8 a minute, why the hell i want weapon with 2 bullets in clip with slow af reload, if i have to fight vs hordes of enemies? " And just skipped it xd

brittle schooner
junior latch
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people gotta remeber that even the clear perceived meta on this discord among super experienced players, which is spread among the discord and co, is a small minority of the playerbase

junior latch
nimble pumice
brittle schooner
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ahh i see

nimble pumice
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also, it was so much nicer with 3

worthy flicker
brittle schooner
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i think i saw a cropped version of it but not sure where it is now

worthy flicker
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Oh I assumed we had 3k

junior latch
junior latch
worthy flicker
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It is a hard game to play daily tbf

daring ginkgo
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I played like man posessed through r2-r5

junior latch
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just gotta speedrun the game (no optionals) in a day

pseudo sedge
worthy flicker
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Idk man, I'm not coming home from a full time job, making dinner, and going "yes I would like to Pub GTFO and work more"

junior latch
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then its not a daily game

daring ginkgo
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I was that hooked

brittle schooner
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its hard 2 play daily in the sense of its hard to coordinate 4 people schedule to line up

pseudo sedge
worthy flicker
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If you want FRIENDS to play GTFO with you I find you get maybe 3 days a week when GTFO is in season

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And that's balanced between your other shit going on

brittle schooner
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it will vary alot, sometimes u might have a group where u schedules usually lineup, other times u have to schedule like a week beforehand xd

daring ginkgo
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Is pub lobbies THAT bad?

brittle schooner
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just roll a group with good timezones

worthy flicker
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Unironically it depends on level

brittle schooner
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as in u play with friends u know

worthy flicker
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Genuinely if I feel like I need to pay back penance to this community I pub R2E1

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I'd rather pull my toenails out then pub R2E1

pseudo sedge
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with a static i can only look at the groups i know and mine.. and we play like twice a week if we lucky

worthy flicker
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^

pseudo sedge
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and we have me and frosty who have no life and can gtfo every day

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so the scheduling is mostly down to 2 people

brittle schooner
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this is pretty much exactly how it is for me as well xd

nimble pumice
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same story here

burnt flume
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can't wait until i start working and living a normal life and end up dropping games entirely for work, music, and significant other

worthy flicker
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GTFO takes genuine commitment to like be good at and make progress in

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Which is also why I value the opinion of a mf with 1 clear

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That mf like me frfr

rose nova
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my significant other is r6d1 runs

nimble pumice
daring ginkgo
rose nova
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WDYMM

daring ginkgo
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I am sorry, but after all my suffering on reactors with bots i just hate them on deepest lvl BabyShooter

rose nova
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but r6d1 it easy reactor :3

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easy piss reactor

daring ginkgo
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Well, reactors without codehunting is okay

rose nova
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plus funni lil boss

junior latch
rose nova
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_>

daring ginkgo
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Speedrunners mindsetScout

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Skip all, embrace fog

rose nova
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i remembs the one time i tried speedrunnin
i ran eval faster than eva B]

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maybs cuz he was blindfolded

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but it is a victory for me nonetheless

pastel dagger
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i only recently started taking hel rifle more than hel gun

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hel gun is really fucking good tho

junior latch
# pastel dagger i actually disagree

body shot vs headshot aim (or rather 1 shot vs 2 shot)
never range issues vs sometimes
kills scouts from anywhere
more pen (theoretically)
far less charge up

pastel dagger
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5 mag size 🤮

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also just hit your headshot dafuq

junior latch
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me when I have 50 mag size vs chargers

burnt flume
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hel rifle boring because you can't play as aggro

junior latch
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is to not have to hit head

pastel dagger
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but its so satisfying

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to pop heads with hel gun

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chargeup is a non issue

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scouts are a non issue

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some could say skill issue

junior latch
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^ does not understand what easier to use means

pastel dagger
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no its actually easier to use hel gun

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more ammo more mag size more leeway for skill issue

brittle schooner
junior latch
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next you will tell me hel revo is easier than sawed off

pastel dagger
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hel revo is annoying actually

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i will give u that

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u know what ive picked up lately

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a gun i never used after 1100 hours

brittle schooner
pastel dagger
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why

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are they doing that

junior latch
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@brittle schooner I cant xD
Have fun

pastel dagger
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u have a whole mag to try git gud and it rewards you for doing so

brittle schooner
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also, newer players tend to not understand the value of stagger, they're more likely to finish off the enemy they just bodyshotted rather than the enemy about 2 lick them, vs hel rifle where just body shot and ded

pastel dagger
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those other mates that been shooting the body get to use the ammopacks

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cuz u dont need it

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the value of stagger is long process to assess for some reason true

brittle schooner
noble rose
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hel shotgun 😋

brittle schooner
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its way easier to hit a bodyshot than a hs

pastel dagger
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idk mate

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hel gun's sight is not hard to use

brittle schooner
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also also with hel gun once people realize they can 1 shot with a hs, they try to go for that. But what if their aim is subpar? they miss more -> get aim punched -> leads to death usually, vs hel rifle where all u care about is hitting the enemy which is significantly easier

pastel dagger
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hel, its easy to hipfire headshots

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it takes practice for sure

brittle schooner
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hel rifle is easier

pastel dagger
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but yea if u miss a few its not the end of the world u have a huge mag

brittle schooner
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gun that needs practice vs one that doesnt which is easier :p

pastel dagger
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i mean u take hel gun

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and after 2 games with it u should be good

brittle schooner
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2 games is generous

pastel dagger
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bro idk

brittle schooner
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u underestimate how bad some people are at aiming

junior latch
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it also doesnt matter xD

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hel rifle doesnt need any headshots

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aside from scout

pastel dagger
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oh i know ive been there but ive mostly been there because this shit game is on shit engine

brittle schooner
pastel dagger
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but if u have stable fps i cannot fathom how u cant just take hel gun and have way easier time

brittle schooner
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your used 2 it/have good aim, for those who dont, they'll find more value with hel rifle, simple

pastel dagger
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im still getting used to 5 mag size

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especially since i picked up dtr

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holy

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but it makes for a perfect cycle of both weapons and melee in a pinch

brittle schooner
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hel rifle skill ceiling is prolly around the same if not higher than hel gun, but its skill floor is lower

pastel dagger
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with hel rifle i find myself shooting like

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65% less than with a hel gun

junior latch
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you do have around half the bullets yes

pastel dagger
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that is one of my points

junior latch
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but you also take around half the bullets to kill shit in general

brittle schooner
pastel dagger
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also i like to pick hel gun over hel rifle on a level where hel rifle is a better pick if two other guys have picked hel rifle

junior latch
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honestly I dont think theres many levels where 3 hel rifles is the honest play

brittle schooner
pseudo sedge
pastel dagger
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bro if u wanna talk which is easier and noobs

brittle schooner
pastel dagger
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where they are gonna empty hel rifle within first 3 minutes of the expedition

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ya right

junior latch
junior latch
brittle schooner
pastel dagger
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why do u need to say that

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its a given

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like thats kinda like why i didnt like hel rifle at first?

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and am still getting used to it

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u have to make your shots count

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with hel gun not really

junior latch
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that hones to god sounds like a skill issue if you go out of ammo that fast

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its litteraly just "shoot body" = Kill

pastel dagger
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yea but they will just shoot sleepers

junior latch
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you actually get 2 pen kills on anything and everything

pastel dagger
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and eventually run out

junior latch
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while hel gun may get some hs kills but basically never a 2 pen headshot

brittle schooner
pseudo sedge
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hel gun u really gotta struggle to get the 2 pen headshot

brittle schooner
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like im not getting your point here

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am i missing smthing

pastel dagger
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where did i say sleeping enemies

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and no

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u will not

brittle schooner
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ok i give up as well @junior latch

burnt flume
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i have more experience with hel gun and find the playstyle better

pastel dagger
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see

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see

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hel gun is goated

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literally

brittle schooner
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i never said it wasnt lol

junior latch
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reading comprehension

unreal crystal
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Ray also joined the hel gun side

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Winning

burnt flume
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missing with hel rifle hurts me more because of the downtime between shots, same for not getting as much pen value

pseudo sedge
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the thing is you pick hel gun cause of the reload

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beginners dont care about reload as much

pastel dagger
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hel rifle reload is fine?

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we are not entering pr levels

burnt flume
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Like if you're playing long range for lines then by all means hel rifle will do more for you

pseudo sedge
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actually to be more exact: u pick hel gun cause of uptime. Hel rifle you need to actually time your reloads, hel gun u just do it and it doesnt matter

burnt flume
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but for closer range more chaotic encounters hel gun sweeps

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and is more fun to play

junior latch
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at that point you play combat shotty (or hel shotty ngl) or sawed off

warped blade
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yeah sorry about that; I'm very busy this weekend but next week; would you be around monday @ 9:30pm or is that too late? if so i'm free in the afternoon up until 8pm

pastel dagger
warped blade
junior latch
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LOL

burnt flume
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Yeah and if you want to kill something at long range at that point you take sniper or pr or whatever

warped blade
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rifle is good but i'm terrible at lining the giants up, get more chances with hel gun

pastel dagger
warped blade
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it's awesome

junior latch
burnt flume
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yes that was me taking the piss

pastel dagger
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where is that cracked pr player

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should have remembered his username

junior latch
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goat, recently I saw a beginner using sawed off for bigs and sniper for shooters due to the range

cinder glen
unreal crystal
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Vence

junior latch
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I cant be sure nowadays KEKW

burnt flume
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but really, if you're taking hel weapons for waveclear you'll not want to substitute it for combat shotty

pastel dagger
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exactly

pseudo sedge
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if u are good at shooting: pick hel gun, more fun, can get more value if u cracked at it. If u bad at shooting or new: pick hel rifle always, you don't have to think much, you just see an enemy, put it in the crosshair and it dies. along with half the wave from behind it

burnt flume
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maybe I'll start taking the piss but maintaining that I'm being deadly serious because deep down I am very upset and hurt that i got replaced on the speedrun team

warped blade
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when i talk to people in different time zones i try to speak in their time

cinder glen
warped blade
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aight swag

cinder glen
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Ahh, I see. That's very kind of you. :) I do the same thing. It does get confusing, haha!

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Shall we agree on my 3pm, so your 2pm? Would that be okay?

warped blade
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i've played a lot of online d&d with people from many timezones, so i'm used to dealing with that, especially trying to schedule things lol

cinder glen
pine root
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they are honestly side grades at worse but in the game with nightmare spam and charger spam

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Hel rilfe becomes even better

unreal crystal
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Nah I win those

pastel dagger
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charger spam with hel gun is perfectly manageable

pine root
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Yup

junior latch
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...

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yea no shit

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hel gun is top tier

pine root
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But it is much much much eaiser

junior latch
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but hel rifle, does it way easier

pine root
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So how can it be

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The fun

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For people who can’t shoOT

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LOL

junior latch
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wait jish

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did you avatar always have the christmas hat?

pine root
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Like tgb just is having another scizopost

pine root
junior latch
pine root
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I think it fit perfectly ngl

junior latch
pseudo sedge
analog flicker
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Tgb with a Christmas hat hmm

pine root
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your insane if you think it is

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it actually is a side grade you give up smalls for giants

pseudo sedge
junior latch
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and that jish

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was the point

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not how good hel gun is

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but it being harder to pick up

pine root
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You get more value if your cracked

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Read this

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Over a few times

junior latch
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it can get more value if you are cracked with it -> contrary to if you arent cracked with it hmm ?

pine root
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If your bad at shooting

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Or new

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Pick hel rilfe

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Insane

pine root
junior latch
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which is what we were trying to refute

pseudo sedge
# pine root You get more value if your cracked

ok my statement here is fairly wrong as it doesn't get more value in ALL situations compared to hel rifle (which is implied by the statement). What I meant to say was: in the some situations u can get better results with hel gun than with hel rifle if u have the skills for it

pine root
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Yeah

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But just say that

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Against smalls

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The other thing you guys do be missing

pseudo sedge
# pine root You get more value if your cracked

but i am sorry to say, this statement remains factually correct. If u are good at the game, hel gun becomes an option. Hel rifle is an option from the start of the game for any player(replied to wrong message)

hasty bobcat
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team what is this yapping

pine root
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LOL

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LOL

pseudo sedge
hasty bobcat
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hel rifle < hel gun

pine root
hasty bobcat
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change my mind

pine root
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Tbh

unreal crystal
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I don’t know if you’ve seen much gameplay of new players using hel rifle

pine root
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I have only seen one good hel rife player

unreal crystal
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But it’s bad

junior latch
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compared to good players yes

pseudo sedge
pine root
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But I have seen dozens of hel gun players

junior latch
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but theres also beginners who absolutely solo carry r1c1 for their team

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hel gun on beginners is actual pain tho

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usual issue for beginners with hel rifle is thinking its a different gun than it is

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aka going for giants only (aiming for head even)

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not wanting to go for smalls

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or going for high ground denying easy pen

pastel dagger
unreal crystal
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I don’t get the argument that hel rifle is better for new players cause they’ll “eliminate half the wave behind the enemy they’re shooting”

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R1c1 sure

pine root
pastel dagger
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combined with less magsize its gonna turn you away

unreal crystal
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Straight line

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But that goes for hel gun too then

junior latch
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beth it is better for newer player than hel gun lol

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its not the best choice

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(for most levels)

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obviously is for r1c1

pine root
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I think then

hasty bobcat
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chat can we not make new players play hel gun/rifle

junior latch
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but its easier than hel gun

pine root
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You should say

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That

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not

junior latch
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?????

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I DID

pine root
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If your bad

junior latch
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DO YOU NOT

pine root
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Pick hel rilfe

unreal crystal
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In any other situation they’re just not getting any pen value

junior latch
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READ

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what im saying

hasty bobcat
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they will miss 5 out of 5 and die

pine root
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I am not

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Talking

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To you

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Tgb

junior latch
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then fucking do so

pine root
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Is the scizo

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Here

junior latch
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cuz im also talkng

unreal crystal
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And the difference doesn’t really matter ngl

junior latch
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tho R1 is very pen forced in a way

pine root
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new players should just pick high cal

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Anyways

junior latch
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R1B2 -> easy long lines
R1C1 obviously
R1C2 -> chargers lol
R1D1 -> very long lines

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once R2 hits it suffer tho for sure

junior latch
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lol

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thats always what I recommed xD

white raptor
#

High cal is always the answer

junior latch
#

its only for high caliber players COPIUM

white raptor
#

also every time i see a new player w/ a rifle it's precision rifle anyway almost never HEL rifle

junior latch
pine root
#

Is kinda a goated weapon

junior latch
#

plus thermal

#

beginners dont pick for whats good 💀

#

or good for them

lost lynx
#

Wdym PR isnt a sniper? :(

brittle schooner
#

i am glad i tapped out of this convo lmao

white raptor
#

lmao

brittle schooner
#

i feel like everyone is talking about their own thing and half of whats said is missed

pine root
brittle schooner
burnt flume
#

why would you ever want a beginner to take hel rifle, that's asking for single shot kills and many TKs

lost lynx
pine root
junior latch
brittle schooner
#

everyone joins mid convo and doesnt bother scrolling up completly missing what the talk was about :p

lost lynx
#

GTFO chat in a nutshell

#

Reading is hard you know

brittle schooner
#

i think everyone can read, they just cba to scroll

junior latch
honest parrot
#

I'm just surprised someone managed to cooridinate a time for a duo game whilist you all are talking about this

pine root
hasty bobcat
#

star what was it about

brittle schooner
lost lynx
#

Who is scrolling and why are we fucking them

pine root
brittle schooner
brittle schooner
pine root
brittle schooner
#

hmm

#

middle mouse?

#

i cant think of a good sister to scrolling

unreal crystal
#

yes keep it going guys

#

Keep saying hel gun is harder to use

brittle schooner
#

shrug

pine root
#

I have a hypothesis

brittle schooner
#

ive tapped out of the convo u all can continue if u want im just chillin now

brittle schooner
#

D:

pine root
#

😉

brittle schooner
#

telling me to gtfo i see

hasty bobcat
#

i don't play hel rifle therefore

unreal crystal
#

Jish im pretty sure if you actually are good with one of the weapons you should automatically be decent/ok with the other ngl

#

The pen knowledge carries over you just have to be more patient

hasty bobcat
#

hel rifle feels just sad

#

it's like if u don't get pen 3 it's not worth

unreal crystal
#

and the patience might be the part you struggle with for a while but you get used to it

hoary crescent
#

i don't like hel rifle cause i feel like i'm always bad with it

brittle schooner
#

just get gud 4head

hoary crescent
#

but

#

what if i'm cursed to be bad

brittle schooner
#

uncurse yourself obviously

pseudo sedge
hasty bobcat
#

blah blah blah

hoary crescent
#

nerd

junior latch
#

sky saying high cal is not worth

#

sky saying shotgun is not worth unless you get 2 kills per shot

#

hitting headshots is harder than bodyshots

if you cant agree with that then I feel like I need to reference a certain ray comment

pseudo sedge
#

burst cannon players need to get 2 kills on smalls per burst always otherwise it is a waste of ammo

hasty bobcat
#

tbf

#

high cal

#

and shotgun

#

is fun

#

hel rifle is not fun

hoary crescent
#

okay no hel rifle is fun

junior latch
junior latch
hoary crescent
#

what's fun is trying to bruhs with burst cannon and hit 0 enemies with it

brittle schooner
hasty bobcat
#

yes hel rifle might outclass hel gun if u have 2 best players of it

#

but it's not fun

hasty bobcat
#

and u play the game first of all

#

to have fun

hoary crescent
#

no

hoary crescent
#

i play cause i stink

junior latch
#

sky read

#

holy shit

hasty bobcat
#

i am!!

junior latch
#

do people actually not read?

wraith marsh
#

hel rifle is not fun for your teammates

junior latch
#

damn good morning chill

burnt flume
junior latch
#

I hope you just woke up

wraith marsh
#

I did

#

well, like 30 min ago

unreal crystal
#

Me and chill waking up at the same time

burnt flume
#

huge

junior latch
#

Chill was up so long

unreal crystal
#

he always is

junior latch
#

we were running R8B4 when he went to sleep 💀

brittle schooner
wraith marsh
#

im guessing you guys didnt get a run

#

cuz no ss

junior latch
#

I had to quit shortly after

#

had to make wings and dips for my family

pseudo sedge
#

we get it next time

junior latch
#

is quite fun run

#

mom spawning in hub zone is fucking hilarious tho

#

even better if due to desync you get 2

pseudo sedge
#

(when next scatter buff so we can loose the hel rifles)

wraith marsh
#

reminds me of e2 pmom

hasty bobcat
pseudo sedge
junior latch
#

what if u get 5 pen hel rifle

brittle schooner
junior latch
#

what if you get 2 head pen hel shotgun

unreal crystal
#

I hit those

junior latch
#

she just spawns shortly after door pull

#

so that zone is a valid spawn xD

hasty bobcat
#

2 head pen hel gun is not even hard

brittle schooner
junior latch
brittle schooner
#

i wasnt able 2 really watch cause frosty stream was omega buffering for me

hasty bobcat
#

eva what if ure forced to shoot one guy

#

and u have a hel rifle

junior latch
#

funny cuz he blamed you LOL

junior latch
brittle schooner
hasty bobcat
#

idk it's like 50% of game situations for me

junior latch
#

thats just the same efficiency as high cal or shotgun

hasty bobcat
#

where u don't get pen

pseudo sedge
junior latch
#

do you cry when you play those?

hasty bobcat
#

okay that was mean

#

whatever

junior latch
#

no like
you said above that you get sad with hel rifle solo kills Onikara_Error_500ezgif

hasty bobcat
#

ure playing the ultimate pen weapon

#

to get solo kills half the time

junior latch
#

yea but as tgb said

#

the gun has the same ammo efficiency without pen as other 30 dmg choices rly

hasty bobcat
#

shotgun and high cal is a better quick swap

junior latch
#

its not like hel rifle sits at 6 per refill

junior latch
pseudo sedge
hasty bobcat
#

yeah

pine root
#

You need to kill two sleepers with one shotgun shot

#

For it to work out

wraith marsh
#

sky is going down on the tier list

pseudo sedge
#

hel rifle unironically has a whopping 0.12s slower quick swap, damn that's so bad

hasty bobcat
#

it has a charge up bro

#

what are u on about

junior latch
pseudo sedge
hasty bobcat
#

it is important

unreal crystal
#

I mean that can unironically cook you in rare situations but sure

pseudo sedge
#

u literally shoot it while running

pine root
junior latch
pseudo sedge
#

crouch -> swap -> shot -> uncrouch without loosing speed

hasty bobcat
#

tgb i know how the game works thanks

#

but those ms are cancer

#

if ure in a time crunch it might cook u

junior latch
#

in return you get massive range and pen

#

the point is that the gun isnt ass without pen

#

it would legit still be pretty balanced

brittle schooner
hasty bobcat
#

i'm not saying it's bad without pen but idw to play a 5 pen gun to get solo kills

junior latch
#

still best charger answer (if you remove hel gun pen too)

hasty bobcat
#

pretty much only case i'd take it over

inner turret
#

im a fan of hel rifle cos of the lower charge time

#

hel gun is hard to use somtimes

unreal crystal
#

just found chills alt account

hasty bobcat
#

LMAO

junior latch
#

its one of the reasons why its easier to use

hasty bobcat
#

i'll never accept hel rifle

#

just not a fan

unreal crystal
#

it’s more fun to spam hel gun as fast as I can anyway

hasty bobcat
#

yes !!

inner turret
#

i also enjoy two tapping multiple giants when they line up

burnt flume
#

gotta play 0.1 hel gun again

hasty bobcat
unreal crystal
#

Nah put me back on 0.3

junior latch
#

what about 0.5

unreal crystal
#

hard fucking pass

burnt flume
#

0.3 hel gun and you'd still style on all but a handful of hel rifle players

junior latch
#

you say that now

#

next patch 10chambers makes it happen

#

and you will love it

#

also watch out for sniper 1 mag obviously

unreal crystal
#

No doubt I’d try it

hasty bobcat
blissful dome
inner turret
#

what is a light sniper

#

just give high cal a scope

junior latch
brittle schooner
hasty bobcat
blissful dome
brittle schooner
junior latch
#

team

#

what about -1 mag sniper

#

you get 1 more ammo per reload

#

but have to reload again

#

infinite ammo glitch

hasty bobcat
#

i wish sniper wouldn't be niche

#

and would slap

junior latch
#

pre R8 sniper basically

#

or if you rly want funny sniper

#

OG R6

serene berry
#

sniper died because 2 krakens were added
tragic

brittle schooner
#

how about the changed tumor mechanics sniper

junior latch
#

3 shotting bosses isnt good for the game

#

scattergun in the background d4rkevpeek

unreal crystal
#

shit went hard

hasty bobcat
#

just give it a 3 mag

#

and r7 recoil

serene berry
pine root
#

I honestly think if sniper just had a better reload

#

It wouldn’t be the worst in the game right now

unreal crystal
#

That reload got me feeling like I’m playing samdown ngl

pseudo sedge
#

give sniper 0.9 tumor multi and bring back the no damage cap tumor thingy from r8 funny patch. i wanna see the chaos

#

also make it so kraken is an exception so we dont loose the funny strat

#

maybe 0.85

#

so mom doesnt still die in 3 shots

junior latch
#

imagine imagine

#

if a gun that was perfectly fine

#

DIDNT get nerfed to pieces

burnt flume
#

overrepresented in pick rate, got nerfed

unreal crystal
#

Surely nerfing based on pick rate is a good way of balancing your game

wraith marsh
#

wait

#

this is just what sam does

hasty bobcat
#

hmmmm

burnt flume
#

revolver must be nerfed

junior latch
brittle schooner
#

tho seems 2 be a minor nerf

hasty bobcat
#

he buffed slug

brittle schooner
#

one more bullet

hasty bobcat
#

and someone beats aberration with 3 slugs

#

new meta

brittle schooner
#

i think slug was already kinda underrated tbh lul

#

good range + stagger + more bullets compared to sawed off

lost lynx
#

Slug > sawed off? 😱 😱

hasty bobcat
#

yes

formal cave
#

Is the matchmaking in game alright or better off finding groups here?

unreal crystal
#

Better off finding groups here

quasi pine
pastel dagger
#

a lot of new players right now

#

server's dead

junior latch
#

@pastel dagger Idk if you knew

#

but how do you get multiple people into training again?

lost lynx
junior latch
#

yea but how

lost lynx
#

@junior latch

pastel dagger
#

might need a broken lobby idk how it works

#

but its like even more random because when it happens u start in the hsu

#

but the matchmaking and lobby are actually happening for other people

#

so u need everyone to ready up

junior latch
#

and then everyone gets forced into tutorial?

pastel dagger
#

yep

#

it doesnt like it at all

#

u drop down then go back up

junior latch
#

the idea is to see whether you can force multiple people in to potentially speedrun it COPIUM

pastel dagger
#

max i could was duo

#

the rest dced

pastel dagger
lost lynx
#

You are going to spend a lot of time making it work

#

And then you are not guarantee to actually drop

junior latch
#

my man

#

have you seen us reset

lost lynx
#

I forgot speedruners dont have a life

#

Mb

pastel dagger
#

the issue is that u need maximum trio

junior latch
#

hell I spend 1 1/2 hours making a new skip semi consistent (like 1 out of 10 times) in poppy playtime Onikara_Error_500ezgif

pastel dagger
#

to be able to matchmake

junior latch
#

theres no rng that matters

pastel dagger
#

i pressed matchmake 1hour and 36 minutes ago

#

we did the most scuffed r4b3pe possible

#

half the level without ammo

lost lynx
#

Eva is going to end in a random russian lobby by trying this

pastel dagger
#

entire secondary pretty much and half of overload

#

luckily zone 364 had 6 use ammo

pastel dagger
junior latch
#

so its 3 people and 1 person hunting or smth

#

@pastel dagger do you know how this looks like from the perspective of the 3 in the lobby?

pastel dagger
#

nah i just play game dont record anything

#

but from chat reactions they did see me going back up

junior latch
#

no like
do you know if they see the 4th (whos stuck in hsu screen) in the lobby?

pastel dagger
#

oh

#

not sure

junior latch
#

before they ready up

pastel dagger
#

if they do ready up i would guess so

junior latch
pastel dagger
#

dont take my word for it

#

but tbh

#

one time i had a guy say in voice wtf im in the hsu

#

and we had a full lobby

#

so yeah

junior latch
lost lynx
#

The warden forgot to let him out

junior latch
#

if we get the sub 4 ill credit ya kappa

#

tbf even 2 people get an easy sub 4

lost lynx
#

Tutorial speedrun crouching, pacifist with all secret commands

pastel dagger
#

is it possible to run mods and see what happens

#

so maybe u can recreate it

junior latch
#

i mean for testing stuff yes
for official runs no

pastel dagger
#

no i mean like

#

when u press mm and get into hsu

#

what happens with the game

#

can u see?

#

so we can recreate the bug

junior latch
#

potentially in the logs

graceful geode
#
poll_question_text

Out of all of them, which Rundown would you completely forget if it got removed from the game? As in, what do you consider the most forgettable?

victor_answer_votes

9

total_votes

19

victor_answer_id

4

victor_answer_text

Alt R4

lost lynx
#

as expected

pastel dagger
#

is that even true

#

reaching into quadruple digit hours i pretty much remember every level

modern coral
#

It's the least replayable I think

unreal crystal
#

yea when you play a lot you kinda remember every level

#

which makes it hard to judge

#

but its either r4 or r5 yeah

#

r7 was a close contender for me but i did submit to r5

hoary crescent
#

sadly for me it's r6 since i just never play it, i play mostly r4-5

rose nova
#

might not play it but its based

junior latch
#

R4/R5 mostly due to weird uninteresting optionals especially in their A and B tiers

#

but if you play enough theres rly nothing forgettable

real monolith
#

Every single rundown

shut vapor
#

Do you think if i create a hallowed quad vtuber model and stream gtfo, that i could revive the game teehee

burnt flume
#

nothing will revive this game

#

i mean maybe adding another rundown

shut vapor
#

Nah what we need is another retcon

mossy grail
#

can someon play with me these BUMS keep leaving the thing and no one readys up 😦

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# mossy grail can someon play with me these BUMS keep leaving the thing and no one readys up �...

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

honest parrot
#

Make an lfg down in the lfg chats and someone should come by

mossy grail
upper loom
#

GUESS WHOS BACK BITCH

serene berry
#

do we have an R8A2 password website?

upper loom
#

yeah

#

i think it comes up under andocas or smth

serene berry
#

bless bless

lost lynx
upper loom
burnt flume
topaz rover
#

tem brs nesse discord?

shut vapor
burnt flume
#

don't worry i forget about you as well

shut vapor
#

At least it's hard forgetting someone like you like

hasty bobcat
#

👍

rose nova
#

will u guys forgor me

#

🪑

shut vapor
lost lynx
rose nova
#

qwq

serene berry
#

what is the mod that shows your stats and other people's stats?
also is there a default weapon stat show mod that is in vogue

honest parrot
#

Weaponstatshower gives you the weapon numbers when you click on it on selection

silent shuttle
#

no one wanna play with me?

hasty bobcat
foggy plankBOT
silent shuttle
#

whats the best shotgun again

modern coral
silent shuttle
modern coral
#

It is very strong

#

just not the best

#

In general, all shotguns are quite good besides slug and choke, which are each a bit on the weaker end.

modern coral
#

You can get away w/ certain bad picks in early rundowns just because the enemy pool is majority strikers, and autos are generally better built for strikers

#

However

#

there are better striker counters in the game that are semis, bursts, or shotguns

#

and the very strong weapons are good at dealing w/ a wide variety of targets

silent shuttle
#

what abt carbine?

modern coral
#

Braindead, but fairly strong

wraith marsh
#

most guns in the game are built for strikers

#

TLDR

silent shuttle
modern coral
#

Performs a bit better in lowman because shooters matter more.

quick shoal
#

does anyone has an idea when the next gtfo sale is gonna happen ?

#

i really wanna buy the game atm

daring ginkgo
#

We just had 50% discount or more, probably take some time

jade nimbus
#

hey

pastel dagger
#

trust

#

😂 apparently i did r4c3pe with ar choke

#

and r4e1

ionic pollen
#

I did both r4e1 and r5e1 with hvy smg 😀

thick temple
#

based

sullen remnant
#

whats the worst gun in thisgame

hasty bobcat
#

AR

brittle schooner
#

Ass rifle

near stag
#

Arby

hasty bobcat
#

that's based take

hasty bobcat
brittle schooner
#

maybe

hasty bobcat
#

and that guy told me no bitches is meta

brittle schooner
#

do not twist my words

hasty bobcat
#

i'm not wrong

near stag
brittle schooner
hasty bobcat
#

I'd never

noble rose
storm flax
#

Any up to date tips for beginers? Me and my friend just got the game and would like to know some basics about how to play and what to do

near stag
#

You can Rocket jump by using tripmines peepogrin

storm flax
noble rose
#

one time use 💅

hoary crescent
#

be careful about shadow hybrids

scenic venture
#

For april fools we should be the sleepers fr

#

Or make it that instead of killing sleepers we hug them

hoary crescent
#

we escaped the ops @maiden bronze

#

you will never get us

upper loom
#

they can't catch us

#

🥷

hoary crescent
honest parrot
#

What the hell happened this time

near stag
#

the muted player slayer is running wild

upper loom
hoary crescent
#

we were getting chased

#

OH NO

#

HES COMING BAC KFOR US

honest parrot
#

what rundown are you doing?

upper loom
#

we just found pablo irl

hoary crescent
#

bro

#

pablo IS HERE

#

IN VC

#

HELP

near stag
#

he licked all 3 of us anguish

upper loom
#

😫

hoary crescent
#

we escaped in afk

#

he can't catch us here

#

it's the blind spot

honest parrot
#

I don't get if this is a joke or something I should get ChO for

hoary crescent
hoary crescent
#

auden doesn't leave our vcs so we can't get a full squad

upper loom
#

i triued to get him to play tetris w me

#

but

#

he kept ignoring me

#

😔

hoary crescent
#

we told him

#

if he wins the 1v1

near stag
hoary crescent
#

we'll just play trio

#

and he can stay in vc bothering us

upper loom
hoary crescent
#

but he didn't even want to 1v1

upper loom
#

for a websitre

#

jstris

near stag
#

ight fellas. what if we use teamspeak to communicate LMAO

hoary crescent
#

he'll follow us there

#

it's like the immortal snail

burnt flume
#

i mean if someone is stalking through vcs and being a bother you should absolutely modmail them

#

fuck 'em

hoary crescent
#

just having a bit of a laugh in the meanwhile lmfao

burnt flume
#

solid

honest parrot
#

(should I go in there and ask if he's ok)

hoary crescent
#

he has all of us muted or the discord muted

#

idk

upper loom
#

i promise you

hoary crescent
#

HES NOT AFK

#

I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A DRILL

#

HES NOT AFK

worthy flicker
lost lynx
worthy flicker
#

Teamspeak is still the best voice service ngl

hoary crescent
lost lynx
#

Holy moly

hoary crescent
#

he followed us to hybrid and started spamming the soundboard

#

cause he didn't know we can just mute his soundboard 💀

lost lynx
#

I see that person really likes you all

fossil horizon
#

New couple on a server? Awwww

#

We love that GTFO can bring multiple different people together

#

Even the guys without gtfo cosplaying ghostface saying weird shit

stark idol
#

Or are you a schizophrenic illusion of mine?

graceful geode
#

I once had something like that happen on this server

#

a guy kept chasing me in VC saying he wanted to "carry me"

#

When I told him to go away he got angry replying something like "So THIS is what I get for carrying people?"

#

Went into the top 4 strangest encounters I had on this server

lost lynx
#

Im 100% sure You would end up carrying that guy

graceful geode
#

Number 3 is the German guy that I joined VC of for like 5 seconds then quitted it and when I met him again he went on how he "remember me as that guy who quitted" (I dont think I had been in the same lobby with him for longer than 30 seconds at most and I never spoke)

#

Number 2 was the guy that "pretend streaming" or something like that

#

Number 1 is the nutjob who joined a R1B1 vc to talk about how his R7E1 group "fucked it all up"

#

And refused to leave

#

he didnt even join the lobby

#

he just kept talking about how R7E1 pub lobbies are fucked and his previous teammates fucked it all up

#

It was surreal

#

"Dude we're doing R1B1 I'm teaching those 2 guys how to-" "AND THEY WOKE THE DAMN ROOM!"

#

It's like he entered the vc and muted me or something

#

I muted him and he eventually left

#

It was bizarre

honest parrot
#

I think auden doesn't quite understand why rule 7 exists and just joined lakana's vc
And... well, the reason why rule 7 is here happened

#

And this stuff is the result