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That's kinda expected on that topic tbh, how many there are people, that many there are opinions. Without adding info on ur expected playstyle people will keep comparing incomparable things. At least I prefaced mine with "without prior experience or knowledge on guns r3d1 is harder than r2d1 because of added pressure in terms of error alarm". Also 4axis difficulty scale isn't rly decent scale to use to determine difficulty. Length itself as one of axis can skew soo much on each level depending on the level objective. Going off from context of levels it either contributes to complexity of objective and it takes longer time to figure it out, or it contributes to fatigue. Too volatile to be used to categorize all levels.
Tbh I kinda ate shit with length axis explanation, but I still stand by my point that length isn't contributing to difficulty linearly unlike for example resouce availability.
I propose a single axis (if you even wish to call it that) , binary difficulty system.
Do you have sawed off?
y/n
Lmao
The 4 axis are largely a meme which were intended to highlight the assumptions being made during a level-difficulty-discussion that happened a while ago. Similar issue of comparing incomparable things due to differing starting assumptions.
But the point of bringing it up again was to do the exact same thing of highlighting different starting assumptions / getting people to think about what their assumptions or biases are.

IIRC the 4 axis were from a level-difficulty-discussion involving R4E1, and points that kept being brought up to show that R4E1 was "difficult" or "easy" was that it has "lots of resources", "mom zone is an insta wipe", "it has a double boss fight" and "its really long"
Perhaps based on this R2D1 vs R3D1 we should add the prior level knowledge difficulty axis
Well at least this one can be linearly mapped - more experience -> less difficult it is.
Unlike length
can we make an 16-dimensional graph where we place every single level so we can debate their difficulty more accurately?
Ah, but surely you'd want to measure how disproportionately level knowledge affects the difficulty
this is real
I think I was on my DTR/HCP loadout shit when I cleared R3D1 fwiw to you
Real - we gonna keep finding more and more axis like that until it really becomes 20-dimensional with multiverse time travel graph
Idk how op you consider those
the double boss fight doesn't exist with meta strats (cfoam trips + sentry aggro + 50% chance to instantly kill tank with mine deployer)
execution wise it's not all that bad 4man

instead of comparing lvls we compare every single second of a lvl to every single second of the other lvl
Value vs skill graph for every weapon so we can simultaneously discuss the meta for every skill level at once
every level reasonably has to be assessed on a difficulty of execution assuming full knowledge of level
That seems like a very major starting assumption
even then: are u speedrunning, are u just aiming for completion, are u trying to go reasonably fast?
Wtf, big debates on gtfo chat
completion
Which many people coming to the table for the discussion - who may have only cleared the level once and done so blind - would not necessarily have made when weighting a level's difficulty
slug, sniper, shotgun sentry stylish
styling out may compromise execution at time
Knife melee only
the amount of things 2 consider are so much im pretty sure we'd be here until the heat death of the universe
why knife, knife is good
Because irregardless of how good knife is knife melee only would become unfeasible at some point I feel
Knife is just the most stylish melee to me
use spear
No
for the most part u can knife only everything
Every level?
Where?
Its honestly the best melee for most melee onlys (it struggles vs chargers and nightmares in combat)
I mean look if you feel like you can take on the tank with only a knife I applaud you, I'm not quite there yet
Oh and knife isnt great vs megamom and kraken
Tank is also pretty meh yea
Shits on pmom tho
I think r7c3 first part? There are millions of giants and knifing them, idk about this
dont think so, but i genuinly think u can go quite far with just knife only (not saying its gonna be easy tho)
Oh you can probably blender babies barbarically with knife
Has been solo knifed
And 4 knifes clear giants easily ngl
i don't think so
any other way to phrase the question just makes little sense to me because it's inherently assuming that the team is playing suboptimally
which is just extremely subjective because what team is doing what? are averaging all teams doing that? it just raises more questions than it answers
Yeah, giant is iirc only 3 good knife hits?
Wtf, how long it took 
They just have to be good knife hits
r8e2 i doubt is knifable due to a certain gimmick the lvl has
5
there's prolly more but thats the main one i can think of
yeah im saying that their opinions are invalid sorry not sorry
i dunno like 10-15 min?
Are people who cleared the level once and did so blind just not allowed to take part in level difficulty discussions now
I thought it was 3 if you hit it in the back of elbows and knees, my bad
Cool
Cool, glad to clear it up 👍
Tbh those people are the people I truly value the opinion of personally
it depends
someone can clear r1c1 with a 1 hour clear barely getting through
no they can understand a level well and have good insights and perspectives
Their opinion will not be well founded
where u hit in the back doesnt give you more dmg, the only exception being the head (back head is usually called occi)
Hence there being a „first clear blind“ and a „full knowledge“ difficulty
I cleared all lvls once, am i not allowed? 
They are very VERY different
I'm gonna be honest, I think every level in this game gets easier when you have 3 clears let alone 30, let alone with a consistent group and that in and of itself can skew perspective heavily
According to zed, unlucky
🥲
.
Tbf you are THE person for bot only difficulty questions
~~let the cyberbullying commence
~~
Like, yeah, you can tell people just going into levels they're easy, but speaking to them from their own level? Idk.
but for full team… not rly
Yeah, fair
Hence 2 different GENERAL rankings
and then per party and current experience level it can vary
You can't even hand a new player a hel rifle I'm ngl
you can
absolutely can
I've witnessed firsthand it not going well like 3 times
often they start carrying r1c1 runs for their team if they actually shoot from ground level
especially if they come from an fps background
i did that, hel rifle is the weapon that made me switch out from machine gun
they gotta know the WHY and HOW
Beginners often use hel rifle as an anti giant sniper lol
hel rifle is great for newbies
Idk man, I've tried. New players I've played with do not like hel weapons in my experience.
but when they understand its pen small destruction they go hard
Theres a lot of new players
I am almost on same page, but it was hel gun first after mg for r4c3, then i switched for hel rifle
when i was a beginner (r1c1) i did that, the thing is i did read what the gun does and played around it
Beginners do not like it cuz its different (plus charge up)
We've been running 3 groups through
Got 12 people into it
Seeing who stays
3 groups is nothing lol
the charge up is always the biggest complaint i hear from newbies
when using hel rifle/hel gun
I think ive helped/watched like 10 groups this past week alone
Yea
thankfully hel rifle has a quick charge up
How many of them like hel guns?
That's fair
not a good choice for them tho usually
hel rifle is also a lot easier than hel gun for newbies
body shots, scout kill etc
but theres still a good majority that use it like sniper…
which obviously isnt good
but thats on them
Wat how
I almost passed out from reload speed
Ime tho they generally don't like Hel Shotgun and Revo is a 50/50
Most well known archetype of a gun
Clear in what it does
everybody knows what a sniper is
speaking of, how much dmg was hs a giant with hel rifle again
The trick is that it is called "Sniper"
^
it's like barely any more dmg iirc
call sniper ARCHCANNON
Same as AR being called "Assault Rifle"
No one knows what a "hel rifle" is
the first special that I used when I got into the game was sniper
and nobody picks it comparetively
Shotgun, combat shotgun, heavy assault rifle, smg etc etc
bullpup too
The first special I used when I got into GTFO was the HCP tbh
Bullpup lmao
I used pdw sniper and bullpup choke mod
ALT R2 pickrates had
Bullpup/smg/ar and shotgun/combat shotgun/sniper as top 3 picked each
fun times :)
When i was new and cleared few lvls i tried different guns, then it was Sniper turn and i was like, "w8 a minute, why the hell i want weapon with 2 bullets in clip with slow af reload, if i have to fight vs hordes of enemies? " And just skipped it xd
wait there is stats on individual ALT rundowns o-0
people gotta remeber that even the clear perceived meta on this discord among super experienced players, which is spread among the discord and co, is a small minority of the playerbase
They posted this during alt r2
Stats from like r7 to alt r2
well yes but it's obviously the only way to kill scouts and big enemies, so you need to take at least one
ahh i see
also, it was so much nicer with 3
Tbf if 30 people agree Hel Revo is meta that's like 1/100th of the playerbase on a good day
i think i saw a cropped version of it but not sure where it is now
Oh I assumed we had 3k
Well yea
But it also shows that a few experienced vets >>> the majority
Daily its like 500-1000 or so?
but overall its a lot since many dont play daily
It is a hard game to play daily tbf
I disagree
I played like man posessed through r2-r5
just gotta speedrun the game (no optionals) in a day
nah it is, the basic requirement of having 3 friend's schedules line up is bad already
Idk man, I'm not coming home from a full time job, making dinner, and going "yes I would like to Pub GTFO and work more"
then its not a daily game
I was that hooked
its hard 2 play daily in the sense of its hard to coordinate 4 people schedule to line up
keep in mind most people dont use bots but real humans xd
pub gtfo 
If you want FRIENDS to play GTFO with you I find you get maybe 3 days a week when GTFO is in season
And that's balanced between your other shit going on
it will vary alot, sometimes u might have a group where u schedules usually lineup, other times u have to schedule like a week beforehand xd
Is pub lobbies THAT bad?
just roll a group with good timezones
Unironically it depends on level
no im talking about static
as in u play with friends u know
Genuinely if I feel like I need to pay back penance to this community I pub R2E1
I'd rather pull my toenails out then pub R2E1
with a static i can only look at the groups i know and mine.. and we play like twice a week if we lucky
^
and we have me and frosty who have no life and can gtfo every day
so the scheduling is mostly down to 2 people
this is pretty much exactly how it is for me as well xd
that lines up
same story here
can't wait until i start working and living a normal life and end up dropping games entirely for work, music, and significant other
GTFO takes genuine commitment to like be good at and make progress in
Which is also why I value the opinion of a mf with 1 clear
That mf like me frfr
my significant other is r6d1 runs

Checkpoint lvl of all time
I am sorry, but after all my suffering on reactors with bots i just hate them on deepest lvl 
Well, reactors without codehunting is okay
plus funni lil boss
Theres a reactor
?
_>
i remembs the one time i tried speedrunnin
i ran eval faster than eva B]
maybs cuz he was blindfolded
but it is a victory for me nonetheless
i actually disagree
i only recently started taking hel rifle more than hel gun
hel gun is really fucking good tho
body shot vs headshot aim (or rather 1 shot vs 2 shot)
never range issues vs sometimes
kills scouts from anywhere
more pen (theoretically)
far less charge up
me when I have 50 mag size vs chargers
hel rifle boring because you can't play as aggro
but its so satisfying
to pop heads with hel gun
chargeup is a non issue
scouts are a non issue
some could say skill issue
^ does not understand what easier to use means
no its actually easier to use hel gun
more ammo more mag size more leeway for skill issue
its literally not tho
next you will tell me hel revo is easier than sawed off
hel revo is annoying actually
i will give u that
u know what ive picked up lately
a gun i never used after 1100 hours
more ammo more mag size doesnt matter when people are primarily hitting bodyshots
@brittle schooner I cant xD
Have fun
u have a whole mag to try git gud and it rewards you for doing so
also, newer players tend to not understand the value of stagger, they're more likely to finish off the enemy they just bodyshotted rather than the enemy about 2 lick them, vs hel rifle where just body shot and ded
those other mates that been shooting the body get to use the ammopacks
cuz u dont need it
the value of stagger is long process to assess for some reason true
cause not everyone can aim well lol? especially those who dont come from fps backgrounds
hel shotgun 😋
its way easier to hit a bodyshot than a hs
also also with hel gun once people realize they can 1 shot with a hs, they try to go for that. But what if their aim is subpar? they miss more -> get aim punched -> leads to death usually, vs hel rifle where all u care about is hitting the enemy which is significantly easier
but yea if u miss a few its not the end of the world u have a huge mag
gun that needs practice vs one that doesnt which is easier :p
2 games is generous
bro idk
u underestimate how bad some people are at aiming
oh i know ive been there but ive mostly been there because this shit game is on shit engine
technically can with a backshot as well
but if u have stable fps i cannot fathom how u cant just take hel gun and have way easier time
your used 2 it/have good aim, for those who dont, they'll find more value with hel rifle, simple
im still getting used to 5 mag size
especially since i picked up dtr
holy
but it makes for a perfect cycle of both weapons and melee in a pinch
hel rifle skill ceiling is prolly around the same if not higher than hel gun, but its skill floor is lower
you do have around half the bullets yes
that is one of my points
but you also take around half the bullets to kill shit in general
more shots with a weapon != easier
also i like to pick hel gun over hel rifle on a level where hel rifle is a better pick if two other guys have picked hel rifle
honestly I dont think theres many levels where 3 hel rifles is the honest play
irrelevant to which is easier tho xd
r1e1 is the best example obv
bro if u wanna talk which is easier and noobs
i mean hel rifle is broken enuf that it works just fine, its not optimal tho ofc
where they are gonna empty hel rifle within first 3 minutes of the expedition
ya right
eh maybe R2E2
idk if you know about the fact that most often you will be having the same amount of kills with both guns lol
-_- when did i say this exactly?
why do u need to say that
its a given
like thats kinda like why i didnt like hel rifle at first?
and am still getting used to it
u have to make your shots count
with hel gun not really
that hones to god sounds like a skill issue if you go out of ammo that fast
its litteraly just "shoot body" = Kill
yea but they will just shoot sleepers
you actually get 2 pen kills on anything and everything
and eventually run out
while hel gun may get some hs kills but basically never a 2 pen headshot
ok if u shoot all sleeping enemies with hel gun you'll also run out???
hel gun u really gotta struggle to get the 2 pen headshot
ok i give up as well @junior latch
i have more experience with hel gun and find the playstyle better
i never said it wasnt lol
reading comprehension
missing with hel rifle hurts me more because of the downtime between shots, same for not getting as much pen value
the thing is you pick hel gun cause of the reload
beginners dont care about reload as much
Like if you're playing long range for lines then by all means hel rifle will do more for you
actually to be more exact: u pick hel gun cause of uptime. Hel rifle you need to actually time your reloads, hel gun u just do it and it doesnt matter
at that point you play combat shotty (or hel shotty ngl) or sawed off
yeah sorry about that; I'm very busy this weekend but next week; would you be around monday @ 9:30pm or is that too late? if so i'm free in the afternoon up until 8pm
yes, they dont have that much ammo tho
yes i love hel gun
Yeah and if you want to kill something at long range at that point you take sniper or pr or whatever
rifle is good but i'm terrible at lining the giants up, get more chances with hel gun
its fine but hel gun wins
it's awesome
nah goat you have to be trolling 💀
yes that was me taking the piss
goat, recently I saw a beginner using sawed off for bigs and sniper for shooters due to the range
Yeah, Monday could work for me. :) Preferably in the afternoon, though, because 9:30pm would be my 10:30pm and that would be a bit late for me to still start a game. What time are you available in the afternoon?
Vence
I cant be sure nowadays 
but really, if you're taking hel weapons for waveclear you'll not want to substitute it for combat shotty
exactly
o_0
if u are good at shooting: pick hel gun, more fun, can get more value if u cracked at it. If u bad at shooting or new: pick hel rifle always, you don't have to think much, you just see an enemy, put it in the crosshair and it dies. along with half the wave from behind it
maybe I'll start taking the piss but maintaining that I'm being deadly serious because deep down I am very upset and hurt that i got replaced on the speedrun team
your 9:30 if that makes any difference to you; i'm here any time after your 1pm
when i talk to people in different time zones i try to speak in their time
Perfect. Let's still stick to the afternoon, though. Then we can always see how things go and maybe also get the evening. n_n
aight swag
Ahh, I see. That's very kind of you. :) I do the same thing. It does get confusing, haha!
Shall we agree on my 3pm, so your 2pm? Would that be okay?
sounds good
i've played a lot of online d&d with people from many timezones, so i'm used to dealing with that, especially trying to schedule things lol
Perfect! I've put it in my schedule. n_n We'll chat then! 
Your just wrong here btw hel rilfe has better gaint eff
they are honestly side grades at worse but in the game with nightmare spam and charger spam
Hel rilfe becomes even better
Nah I win those
charger spam with hel gun is perfectly manageable
Yup
But it is much much much eaiser
but hel rifle, does it way easier
Like tgb just is having another scizopost
I added it for Christmas
looks rly nice
I think it fit perfectly ngl
nah nah
this isnt tgb scizo
this is "hel gun is easier than hel rifle" scizo
wait how am i being schizo? you can't spam hel gun into everything like hel rifle can, nightmare spam and charger spam literally makes hel rifle broken while hel gun can keep up only if u shoot well.
Tgb with a Christmas hat hmm
It isn’t just pick if new or bad
your insane if you think it is
it actually is a side grade you give up smalls for giants
the issue is if u are not good at shooting, hel gun is just worse into smalls too. (i assume you dont hit headshots with it)
and that jish
was the point
not how good hel gun is
but it being harder to pick up
.
You get more value if your cracked
Read this
Over a few times
it can get more value if you are cracked with it -> contrary to if you arent cracked with it
?
If your good at the game you can get insane value form one of the value guns crazy
jish remember the base point was that
hel gun -> EASIER THAN HEL RIFLE
which is what we were trying to refute
ok my statement here is fairly wrong as it doesn't get more value in ALL situations compared to hel rifle (which is implied by the statement). What I meant to say was: in the some situations u can get better results with hel gun than with hel rifle if u have the skills for it
Against smalls
Yeah
But just say that
Against smalls
The other thing you guys do be missing
but i am sorry to say, this statement remains factually correct. If u are good at the game, hel gun becomes an option. Hel rifle is an option from the start of the game for any player(replied to wrong message)
team what is this yapping
this message is factually correct
hel rifle < hel gun
LOL
change my mind
Tbh
I don’t know if you’ve seen much gameplay of new players using hel rifle
I have only seen one good hel rife player
But it’s bad
compared to good players yes
have u seen hel gun players?
But I have seen dozens of hel gun players
but theres also beginners who absolutely solo carry r1c1 for their team
hel gun on beginners is actual pain tho
usual issue for beginners with hel rifle is thinking its a different gun than it is
aka going for giants only (aiming for head even)
not wanting to go for smalls
or going for high ground denying easy pen
mhm, if you are a shitshooter hel rifle is not gonna help you
I don’t get the argument that hel rifle is better for new players cause they’ll “eliminate half the wave behind the enemy they’re shooting”
R1c1 sure
The only thing it helps with is the slower fire rate so you waste less ammo
combined with less magsize its gonna turn you away
beth it is better for newer player than hel gun lol
its not the best choice
(for most levels)
obviously is for r1c1
I think then
chat can we not make new players play hel gun/rifle
but its easier than hel gun
If your bad
DO YOU NOT
Pick hel rilfe
In any other situation they’re just not getting any pen value
they will miss 5 out of 5 and die
then fucking do so
cuz im also talkng
And the difference doesn’t really matter ngl
they only do so rarely yea
tho R1 is very pen forced in a way
R1B2 -> easy long lines
R1C1 obviously
R1C2 -> chargers lol
R1D1 -> very long lines
once R2 hits it suffer tho for sure
yes
lol
thats always what I recommed xD
High cal is always the answer
its only for high caliber players 
also every time i see a new player w/ a rifle it's precision rifle anyway almost never HEL rifle
The thermal sniper
same effect as sniper
they think PR and sniper are often the same
Is kinda a goated weapon
Wdym PR isnt a sniper? :(
i am glad i tapped out of this convo lmao
lmao
i feel like everyone is talking about their own thing and half of whats said is missed
You should become a perms mute
mayhaps
why would you ever want a beginner to take hel rifle, that's asking for single shot kills and many TKs
exactly\
Thats always how every GTFO convos goes
Beginners want to play hel rilfe so they can play charge up high cal
single shot kills are not even an issue
thats just a different high cal
but the point was not that hel rifle was the choice for beginners. But that its easier than hel gun
everyone joins mid convo and doesnt bother scrolling up completly missing what the talk was about :p
i think everyone can read, they just cba to scroll
theres only a few rare people who do that
I'm just surprised someone managed to cooridinate a time for a duo game whilist you all are talking about this
Fuck scrolling
real
star what was it about
what did scrolling do to you
Who is scrolling and why are we fucking them
Killed my sister
hel gun being easier than hel rifle to use, to which i and eva disagreed with xd
kill its sister too then
I have to give them a sister first
cap
shrug
ive tapped out of the convo u all can continue if u want im just chillin now
Perma mute time
D:
😉
telling me to gtfo i see
no
i don't play hel rifle therefore
Jish im pretty sure if you actually are good with one of the weapons you should automatically be decent/ok with the other ngl
The pen knowledge carries over you just have to be more patient
and the patience might be the part you struggle with for a while but you get used to it
i don't like hel rifle cause i feel like i'm always bad with it
just get gud 4head
uncurse yourself obviously
if u get 1 pen every 2 shots
u outclass hel gun ammo efficiency
blah blah blah
nerd
sky saying high cal is not worth
sky saying shotgun is not worth unless you get 2 kills per shot
hitting headshots is harder than bodyshots
if you cant agree with that then I feel like I need to reference a certain ray comment
burst cannon players need to get 2 kills on smalls per burst always otherwise it is a waste of ammo
okay no hel rifle is fun
2? nah, 3 kills or bust
subjective preference influencing your argument ...
5 kills 😢
what's fun is trying to bruhs with burst cannon and hit 0 enemies with it
i dont like the 5 burst ngl but maybe cause im just skill issued xd
i'm not arguing
yes hel rifle might outclass hel gun if u have 2 best players of it
but it's not fun
no
.
i play cause i stink
i am!!
do people actually not read?
hel rifle is not fun for your teammates
damn good morning chill
the patience with hel rifle is what fucks me up, yea
I hope you just woke up
Me and chill waking up at the same time
huge
Chill was up so long
he always is
we were running R8B4 when he went to sleep 💀
TRUE
we get it next time
is quite fun run
mom spawning in hub zone is fucking hilarious tho
even better if due to desync you get 2
(when next scatter buff so we can loose the hel rifles)
reminds me of e2 pmom
what if u get 2 pen head hel gun
especially if they both inside spawn
oh due to spawncap shenaningans?
what if you get 2 head pen hel shotgun
I hit those
oh no
she just spawns shortly after door pull
so that zone is a valid spawn xD
2 head pen hel gun is not even hard
crazy
now compare this to 3 pen bodyshots
i wasnt able 2 really watch cause frosty stream was omega buffering for me
yea frosty was lagging
funny cuz he blamed you LOL
and?
smh
idk it's like 50% of game situations for me
thats just the same efficiency as high cal or shotgun
where u don't get pen
u shoot him and say ty gtfo devs for making hel rifle without pen a more efficient base gun than half the secondaries in the game
do you cry when you play those?
no like
you said above that you get sad with hel rifle solo kills 
yea but as tgb said
the gun has the same ammo efficiency without pen as other 30 dmg choices rly
shotgun and high cal is a better quick swap
its not like hel rifle sits at 6 per refill
...
NAH
yeah
sky is going down on the tier list
hel rifle unironically has a whopping 0.12s slower quick swap, damn that's so bad
how many can you get with 2 shots? 5 ?
yea, 0.12s chargeup
it is important
I mean that can unironically cook you in rare situations but sure
u literally shoot it while running
I average 50 kills per my shotgun shotz
okay jish
stop flexing (play soloq)
crouch -> swap -> shot -> uncrouch without loosing speed
tgb i know how the game works thanks
but those ms are cancer
if ure in a time crunch it might cook u
in return you get massive range and pen
the point is that the gun isnt ass without pen
it would legit still be pretty balanced
thas crazy
i'm not saying it's bad without pen but idw to play a 5 pen gun to get solo kills
still best charger answer (if you remove hel gun pen too)
if level is purely chargers i'd take hel rifle over hel gun
pretty much only case i'd take it over
just found chills alt account
LMAO
its one of the reasons why its easier to use
it’s more fun to spam hel gun as fast as I can anyway
yes !!
i also enjoy two tapping multiple giants when they line up
gotta play 0.1 hel gun again
play chaddown !!
Nah put me back on 0.3
what about 0.5
hard fucking pass
0.3 hel gun and you'd still style on all but a handful of hel rifle players
you say that now
next patch 10chambers makes it happen
and you will love it
also watch out for sniper 1 mag obviously
No doubt I’d try it
is this a light sniper
Cover me while I reload
so hel rifle?
actually is it even out on thunderstore, if so whats it called
NOOOOO
not yet
soon
I love arsenality
sadge
team
what about -1 mag sniper
you get 1 more ammo per reload
but have to reload again
infinite ammo glitch
sniper died because 2 krakens were added
tragic
how about the changed tumor mechanics sniper
shit went hard
thats different, thats a melee weapon
I honestly think if sniper just had a better reload
It wouldn’t be the worst in the game right now
That reload got me feeling like I’m playing samdown ngl
give sniper 0.9 tumor multi and bring back the no damage cap tumor thingy from r8 funny patch. i wanna see the chaos
also make it so kraken is an exception so we dont loose the funny strat
maybe 0.85
so mom doesnt still die in 3 shots
overrepresented in pick rate, got nerfed
Surely nerfing based on pick rate is a good way of balancing your game
hmmmm
revolver must be nerfed
nah, no way?
OG R6 HAR 
it has been recently
tho seems 2 be a minor nerf
he buffed slug
one more bullet
i think slug was already kinda underrated tbh lul
good range + stagger + more bullets compared to sawed off
Slug > sawed off? 😱 😱
yes
Is the matchmaking in game alright or better off finding groups here?
Better off finding groups here
its ok
a lot of new players right now
server's dead
@pastel dagger Idk if you knew
but how do you get multiple people into training again?
It happens randomly
yea but how
@junior latch
rng chance when pressing matchmake a lot
might need a broken lobby idk how it works
but its like even more random because when it happens u start in the hsu
but the matchmaking and lobby are actually happening for other people
so u need everyone to ready up
and then everyone gets forced into tutorial?
the idea is to see whether you can force multiple people in to potentially speedrun it 
Eeeeh its not really worth it
You are going to spend a lot of time making it work
And then you are not guarantee to actually drop
the issue is that u need maximum trio
hell I spend 1 1/2 hours making a new skip semi consistent (like 1 out of 10 times) in poppy playtime 
to be able to matchmake
tbf you only rly need 1 run in tutorial to work properly
theres no rng that matters
i pressed matchmake 1hour and 36 minutes ago
we did the most scuffed r4b3pe possible
half the level without ammo
Eva is going to end in a random russian lobby by trying this
pennaya granata
well id try with 3 others (preferably)
so its 3 people and 1 person hunting or smth
@pastel dagger do you know how this looks like from the perspective of the 3 in the lobby?
nah i just play game dont record anything
but from chat reactions they did see me going back up
no like
do you know if they see the 4th (whos stuck in hsu screen) in the lobby?
before they ready up
if they do ready up i would guess so

dont take my word for it
but tbh
one time i had a guy say in voice wtf im in the hsu
and we had a full lobby
so yeah

The warden forgot to let him out
Tutorial speedrun crouching, pacifist with all secret commands
hm?
i mean for testing stuff yes
for official runs no
no i mean like
when u press mm and get into hsu
what happens with the game
can u see?
so we can recreate the bug
potentially in the logs
Out of all of them, which Rundown would you completely forget if it got removed from the game? As in, what do you consider the most forgettable?
9
19
4
Alt R4
as expected
is that even true
reaching into quadruple digit hours i pretty much remember every level
It's the least replayable I think
yea when you play a lot you kinda remember every level
which makes it hard to judge
but its either r4 or r5 yeah
r7 was a close contender for me but i did submit to r5
sadly for me it's r6 since i just never play it, i play mostly r4-5
might not play it but its based
R4/R5 mostly due to weird uninteresting optionals especially in their A and B tiers
but if you play enough theres rly nothing forgettable
Every single rundown
Do you think if i create a hallowed quad vtuber model and stream gtfo, that i could revive the game 
Nah what we need is another retcon
can someon play with me these BUMS keep leaving the thing and no one readys up 😦
.t lfg
Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.
If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.
Make an lfg down in the lfg chats and someone should come by
shit mb mb
do we have an R8A2 password website?
bless bless
Who?
💤
where did you go and why are you so forgettable
tem brs nesse discord?
Not a swag response
don't worry i forget about you as well
At least it's hard forgetting someone like you 
👍
You are too cool to forgor
you were my GTFO sherpa so nope i wont
qwq
what is the mod that shows your stats and other people's stats?
also is there a default weapon stat show mod that is in vogue
Accuracytracker or replaymod both do that I think
Weaponstatshower gives you the weapon numbers when you click on it on selection
no one wanna play with me?
.t lfg
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damageindicator by aoiyuki
whats the best shotgun again
Sawed-off and Scattergun in their respective slots.
what about combat shotgun
It is very strong
just not the best
In general, all shotguns are quite good besides slug and choke, which are each a bit on the weaker end.
what abt heavy smg
Really bad, all of the autos (guns w/ automatic fire that aren't shotguns) are pretty weak in this game.
You can get away w/ certain bad picks in early rundowns just because the enemy pool is majority strikers, and autos are generally better built for strikers
However
there are better striker counters in the game that are semis, bursts, or shotguns
and the very strong weapons are good at dealing w/ a wide variety of targets
what abt carbine?
Braindead, but fairly strong
dmr?
Higher effort, but also fairly strong.
Performs a bit better in lowman because shooters matter more.
does anyone has an idea when the next gtfo sale is gonna happen ?
i really wanna buy the game atm
We just had 50% discount or more, probably take some time
hey
while heavy smg is not be all end all its a solid weapon if u decide to pick it and never swap for another for 500 hrs
trust
😂 apparently i did r4c3pe with ar choke
and r4e1
I did both r4e1 and r5e1 with hvy smg 😀
based
whats the worst gun in thisgame
AR
Ass rifle
that's based take
you'd play nice ass for days am i right chat
maybe
and that guy told me no bitches is meta
do not twist my words
i'm not wrong
"Meta this Meta that, have you ever met a Girl before?"
you are twisting my words smh
I'd never
words to live by
Any up to date tips for beginers? Me and my friend just got the game and would like to know some basics about how to play and what to do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0PP1U_MM74 stealth guide
https://youtu.be/z4x8y96wMzE?si=hP-eSMT32HXIdhma how to get started, (i guess this is better for a beginner)
You can Rocket jump by using tripmines 
Thanks, gonna watch these and hope it helps lol
🙏🙏
one time use 💅
be careful about shadow hybrids
For april fools we should be the sleepers fr
Or make it that instead of killing sleepers we hug them

What the hell happened this time
the muted player slayer is running wild
you dont wanna know dude
what rundown are you doing?
he licked all 3 of us 
😫
I don't get if this is a joke or something I should get ChO for
LOL it is half a joke
auden doesn't leave our vcs so we can't get a full squad
omg tetris 99????
nono i just sent him a link
but he didn't even want to 1v1
ight fellas. what if we use teamspeak to communicate LMAO
i mean if someone is stalking through vcs and being a bother you should absolutely modmail them
fuck 'em
did alrready
just having a bit of a laugh in the meanwhile lmfao
solid
(should I go in there and ask if he's ok)
he's gonna just start talking shit
i promise you
he said i was a racist asian bitch
HES NOT AFK
I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A DRILL
HES NOT AFK
Unironically I wish we could go back
real?
Teamspeak is still the best voice service ngl
yes
Holy moly
he followed us to hybrid and started spamming the soundboard
cause he didn't know we can just mute his soundboard 💀
I see that person really likes you all
New couple on a server? Awwww
We love that GTFO can bring multiple different people together
Even the guys without gtfo cosplaying ghostface saying weird shit
I once had something like that happen on this server
a guy kept chasing me in VC saying he wanted to "carry me"
When I told him to go away he got angry replying something like "So THIS is what I get for carrying people?"
Went into the top 4 strangest encounters I had on this server
Wtf
Im 100% sure You would end up carrying that guy
Number 3 is the German guy that I joined VC of for like 5 seconds then quitted it and when I met him again he went on how he "remember me as that guy who quitted" (I dont think I had been in the same lobby with him for longer than 30 seconds at most and I never spoke)
Number 2 was the guy that "pretend streaming" or something like that
Number 1 is the nutjob who joined a R1B1 vc to talk about how his R7E1 group "fucked it all up"
And refused to leave
he didnt even join the lobby
he just kept talking about how R7E1 pub lobbies are fucked and his previous teammates fucked it all up
It was surreal
"Dude we're doing R1B1 I'm teaching those 2 guys how to-" "AND THEY WOKE THE DAMN ROOM!"
It's like he entered the vc and muted me or something
I muted him and he eventually left
It was bizarre




