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it's like you are playing tft and early-game you just don't wanna tunnel in but keep it general
and leave options open
tft mentioned
riot affiliated game mentioned, completely correct opinion rejected
What the fuck is tft
idk what i'd do if i had to worry about learning and keeping up with coding languages, but then again CS is not my wheelhouse
… team fight tactics? I think? That’s my best guess.
correct
League adjacent 

Sniper melee
you play for 1k hours and get used to it
😭
dafuq is that
haha
ive just bought the game 3 days ago
true
im still at rundown 2 but i almost finished it
just either host your own lobbys so you have no ping or look for people in asia/oceania
learning on client is significantly better than learning as host because it means that host feels awesome instead of client feeling awful
as an australian i have no choice
common aus L
real
love it when the game decides to freeze as im getting into my secondary
aussies probably see big strikers irl everyday anyway
i see something big everyday
Something big?
What
embed fail
i just made some good ass chicken
chicken ass??????
😋
pansexual????
can I join?
I am stuck in R2 as well and I am oce
.t lfg
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the first thing i see in the gtfo server lmao peak
you havent seen the average GTFO convo yet
Just watch the eva short, sums it up well
too late
Avg
hello Solace eats food
hi A2Password: Z61KJ-L8294
@near stagmy cat wife really die..
She said she had a bad heart since birth
I didn't know that
Hi Mark
funny idea for foam
what if as time went on it hardened
so first use of foam: a door, u spray it and it molds itself to the door, then u wait a minute or so and the door is like a normal foamed door nowadays, however, when u try refoaming it 2 3 blobs disappear per door hit so u gotta full charge it and lose a ton of tool
still possible to permafoam but more wasteful
then second case, putting it on the floor, when u spray it it's soft and enemies get stuck for a long time but as time goes on instead of disappearing it makes the enemies freeze for more little time
What If hardened foam, but you can walk on it Prey style
what if foam hardended and i can make a stair case leading to the ceiling and avoid R4D2 
or make a @rose nova shaped foam chair
What If i foam you till you are hard 
:D
Never touching r7c1 again
you always go back
when e3 duo
extirpate is not duoable
what about excalibur?
extraordinary?
ex-military?
Have you tried sky
Tbh if you can get past the first surge i think it’s actually duoable
I just don’t know how you’re supposed to get past it
And getting past it would require you to make sacrifices to your loadouts
Like you’re gonna have to run full waveclear just for a single alarm in the level
yeah that for sure
and then it makes boss fights a lot worse later on
So it’s not a very appealing duo to me
e3 sounds fun
sawed off is boss kill
(no idea how it's rebalanced)
it's 3 clip and a big ass shot delay
and also slightly slower reload iirc
also ure not doing sawed off into double pmom double tank 💀
sky it's a 15 shot vs tank and a 23 shot into pmom
both start will full sawed off end with 0 sawed off akd tanks + pmoms are dead
zed when 60 babies and imperfect sawed off spread
did u know it's not just them
auto cannon clears the babies trust
💀
killing 50 babies per reload it's broken clearly
Sawed off is 4 unless he changed it in the last few days
Slower fire rate, bit less ammo and a slower reload
But even then im pretty sure its an autopistol angle
you’re actually just forced to run double autopistol and waveclear to get past the first hurdle
and who knows if that’s even possible
oops my bad
idk why 3 clip is just stuck in my head for some reason
what the scallop
Never.
what the skibidi
cleared R4B3 with friends
Scuffed our loadouts and we forgot to take the mine layer but we realised when we were already in the overload so we rolled with it
A pretty reasonable PE
especially the struggle that is R4B2 PE
Guys What the best loadout for two players?
Depends on the level
But the same good guns will do the job
r2d2
Are you new at GTFO? By any chance
not new but we started like 2 months ago
what is BC? XD
Burst cannon
double hel rifle goes hard
well, thats still pretty new unless you played like 5 hours every day those 2 months 💀
double pen is not the way prolly
also, is it just you two
or you two with bots?
Just the two of them
No bots
I'm just going to Say
You arent going to make it
Especially if you cant survive more than 10mins each attempt
just us
first attempt ended like 8/10 reactor so its possible i think
You are basically done
Nvm
You can do it
Why did you wipe on 8/10 you survived the worst wave of 7/10
Why the fuck is your name toaster
i am one
my teammate was afk....
EXACTLY
Because after he is done with making you warm you will pop out
ayo
LMAO JISH
hold up what
idk
excuse me
Damnnnn
can I steal that line
or is there copyright
thats crazy
you just gotta ask nicely ;)
what was ur loadouts?
Please uwu
duo'ing d2 after two months is crazy work
fuck no
Fuck you
yeah that's what I'm thinking

Go ahead
ty
W
Fuck you again
chat
Any of my corny lines are free to use
so based
I want to drink from your fountain
alright that's enough gtfo chat for the day
yeah
Hello Gamers. I am LF a team, but not just any team. I am assembling a elite squadron to take on the unknown and delve into the deepest depths of complex (im relearning the game so shitters and beginners are more than welcome). Some common interests I hold that may help build rapport and a strong altruistic team bond include: gym, devil may cry?, strong love for latinas, lying about going to the gym, guns, calamity soundtrack, keanu reeves, dark souls, and latinas. If any of these criteria resonated with you, then you may be a perfect fit for the team 🫡 R2A1
it is now
I love that this all was for r2a1
Hello, I noticed you have a profile picture of a very beautiful (but also intelligent looking!) girl, and 1 am under the presumption that this girl is you? It is quite astonishing to see a female here in the GTFO LFG. I am quite popular around here in this server, so if you require and guidance, please, throw me a mention. I will assist you at any hour, day or night. And, before you are mistaken, I do not seek your hand in a romantic way; although, I am not opposed in the event you are interested in me, as many women often are. I am a man of standard, and I do not bow to just any woman that comes my way, unlike my peers... So rest assured that I will not be in the way of your gaming and socializing experience.
Consider me ur hel gun player? .. a companion, a partner, and perhaps we can enjoy some video games together some time. I see you play GTFO, and are you good at playing scattergun? I have beaten R5E1 cell skip, so I would be happy to help you clear expeditions. Platonically of course, unless you (like many others) change your mind on that. I look forward to our future together (as friends of course.)
Addressing the Haters:
I want to start by acknowledging the critics and those who doubted me. I’ve heard the comments, and while I respect differing opinions, I’m proud to say that despite the challenges, I’ve succeeded. Every project, every step forward, has been a testament to my hard work, determination, and the lessons learned along the way. The journey isn’t defined by the negativity, but by the results.
Thanking the Coaches and Mentors:
None of this would have been possible without the incredible support and guidance from the coaches, mentors, and those who have helped me grow. Their insights and dedication shaped my approach, and I owe a great deal of my success to their efforts. Thank you for believing in me and pushing me to be better, even when things got tough.
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While some may still disagree with certain aspects of my approach—particularly regarding poor design choices—those decisions were made with purpose and conviction. I stand by the points I made and the ideas I brought to the table. It’s all part of the learning process and pushing boundaries. No design is perfect, but that doesn’t invalidate the journey or the results.
where is that guy
isn't he gone?
think so
he's god he can't die
LOL
LMAO
wait he wasn't shen god was he?
we just playing didnt knew this game is that hard as u describe it
no, in fact he was God Shen
oh wow
LOL
my bad I didn't capitalise his name
btw what loadout were you running in r2d2 (both of you) ?
F
God Shen
omneco and hanaway psb double canon turret
all good
oh god
double canon turret go hard
not the manufacturer names
dmr
thsts dtr
or dtr
or hel gun
ah mb
team theres multiple options for each xD
LOL
yeah xd
but like
theres just simple names
And thats why we don't use the manufacturer name
Guys i love the drekker
And buckland
can someone explain double canon turtet
i love beginners saying "the buckland was good" or "im trying the techman"
turret
literally the only guns manufacturer I know
Malatack too
me and @nimble wasp just started 3rd try on r2d2 wish us luck 💀
cause anytime I hear it I have horror in my eyes
Bust rifle
yeah
it's the autocannon from Sam down but turret form
no wonder they're doing so good
idk is cannon sniper?
kinda
NO?
maybe it's shotgun sentry
WTF LOL
Who knows
I would've guessed it's double burst
u need to aim ur cannon!!
im going to aim something else
it snipes trust
who
the d2 duo
yes
huge
ngl smth is sus but I'm too lazy to think
vac ban
LMAO
obviously aimbotting in gtfo
:(
I'M SORRY ILY
gay
these fishes gay
have anyone played webfishing
I've seen gameplay
it's huge
you can play a guitar
yes !!
kind of sick ngl
OK nerd
WDYM
post it on yt you'll get more views than your e2 duo
👻ed
why are you doing this
He is begging for attention
give him
yeah
i need to distract him from creating an abomination
so thst you can pop
ik :(
what tea
idk I like ginger
just drink either peppermint tea or masala chai
I could hop on in a bit
maybe camomile
probably don't have it home, only lemon
yeah
1:30 am
LMAO
I go to bed at &
me when no sleep schedule
5*
maybe he young nolife gamer
ye
what do u know
thsts burnt
I have uni tmr
bachelor?
ya
ez shit yeah
bachelor in bonking sleepers
once during covid i forgor i have a zoom lecture so i had to finish a dive while in zoom
idk its a bit stressful when you are doing industrial sabotage
anyway i gotta hit the shower and drive to magic pre release
im out
r2d2 is fucked up
Why 
why not?
shit is hard
its not that hard he is just dumbass
Hello Hallowed Quad
one problem is that we beated every other level in r2
Hello pab

Where do you lose
The waves or the searching?
around there ye
tho im more inclined to ~25th
Yeah its somewhere between 25-30
When will you be epic and finish the battle cats
Soon™
In that case just do more attempts until y know what to do and where and how quick
Defend in reactor
2nd 3rd try ez
just tell the sleepers to put the fries in the bag
can anyone tell me what the LF1 means in matchmaking?
L= looking
F= for
Looking for 1
I am currently doing this 😞
Yup. I’m still there. Almost beat R5C1 PE though, last night. The progress towards the rest of the game continues.
@fresh heron why tf are you playing during my working hours? 
just to spite you
Brother i am in your VC 😭
Whats the hardest then?
Cuz im going to start to duo r7d1 today
Without the overload cuz i dont want to deal w snatchers
That much
R8E2
Top 4 is all E-tiers besides R2E1 and R8E1
r7e1 > r2e1?
By a decent margin, yeah.
i didn't get that impression but i suppose it's definitely a harder knowledge/strat check, execution im not convinced is any harder though
It's hard in weird ways
One of very few levels where running out of resources is a real problem
What do we think abt r8d2 duo with class 9
and it has a fair few insta-wipes
If you class 9, I think that gets to be pretty unhinged
But might also just be a long kite angle
It is just one section
even without class 9 I think that ending is just fucked tbh
I always meant to duo that level but never got around to it
I could see an argument for top 3 being R8E2, R5E1, R4E1, then R8D2 and R8B4 (D2 is for duo more-so), and then R7E1 and R2E1
And that'd round out top 7 for duo
Top 7 for quad, R8D2 goes way down, I think it's too easy to play w/ good strat knowledge.
ye
Idk what takes 7th place, either
Actually, I underrate R8D2, it's just kind of hard
Probably is still 7th
with foam r2e1 duo is kinda not very hard, at least you have a solid chance of just clearing off of successful ladderfoam 2nd to last surge
R8B4 might be overrated, I'm not sure
have to think about it
I think underutilized strat is pushing out the wave hold
to just not deal w/ fog and let scatter solo cell fetch x2, sphere carry, mom, blood door, etc.
And maybe have a better chance at taking time w/ looting ammos
Vanilla really does just not have that much crazy hard content
Has there ever been in between spawns in r8b4
If you CP, yes
what spot is r7d2 in then
Happens a lot
Definitely not top 7, lol.
never said top 7, just wanna know how hard it is for a duo
It's hard to give a guesstimate because I'm not thinking too hard about where to place most levels
I could see top 20, tho
It's kind of a "be good" level
well then im screwed lol
we took like 15 attempts on r7c1 without checkpoints counted
Have done r1 so far and up to r2d2
Wanted to test ourselves so we jumped to r7
Similar style of levels, but a touch easier
Want to do all those colored levels if yk what i mean
ic
The a2, b2 etc will do later
r2d2 duo really is not too difficult. it's just a guns and shooting check that if you can't clear a lot of other stuff will be too hard, too
Tbf, that's shadow zone issues
Heard its quite rediculous for a duo thats why
I'd disagree with that, personally.
It is just a shooting skill check w/ infinite ammo
And the threats are fairly tame if you're just playing to clear
With low experience, no, you have to be good at the game.
Specifically the more mechanical aspects of it
Im pretty decent myself, have solo’d most a tier rundowns, but yeah
Its a level that lowkey scares me
If you've mostly been playing R1, R2
Probs some knowledge gaps which will make it scary then
This is the easier 1/3rd of the game
Ive been playing around in every rundown
Levels here and there
Hardest you've cleared, tho?
I could grant that R7C1 is around the halfway point difficulty-wise.
So i have a lot more practice to do w my duo
yee
Not much harder imo, but it is a level that is much harder to understand at face
Missing knowledge might make it harder to make progress in
But once you've learned where things are, it's not much harder I think
Ive watched a few vids on d1, i know kinda how the terminal thing works at the end
The only problem is is that i have never done a rundown w birthers and tanks
So i dont rlly know how to properly deal w them, birthers i think i have a bigger chance at than tanks
Mom is just kind of, one-shot her or kill babies and then kill her
Tanks you want to learn the tongue timing, and hear the queue coming
One player is getting damage, either slowly or rapidly depending on loadout
Another player tries to take aggro, either peaking w/ the other player or standing in-front of the tank to keep aggro for a rush
So its not that bad
Doing a door peekaboo with Tank is so funny imho
Alr what rundown has tanks the quickest so we can learn it
R4E1 DOWNWARDS!!!!!!!!
R4E1 is best, but hard to unlock
Otherwise, R6D3 maybe
For birthers i know r3b2 has one
R4C1, R5B3, R6C3, and R6D1 are some of the "first" tanks, but they are deep-ish into the level.
R6D4 is probably best mom, as well.
r8b1
!
probably the best one youll find, nothing going on when its around
That one is also kind of deep, but it is easy to unlock
checkpoint somewhat nearby I think?
Really?
you can also just download cconsole
Ive done a1 already
So i guess im playing that for tank experience tday
Ty for the help yall
Man, there aren't really good vanilla practice spots
Until you have some progress already*
Uhh i mostly run burst rifle n hell rifle
My duo runs bullpup n hell rifle
But i switch loadouts often if i feel it doesnt work well on a rundown
HEL Rifle is very strong
I love it
You may reach a point where you'll want to consider switching Mains around, tho
Sawed-off and HEL Shotgun are both very strong
very much carry weapons, especially for the slot they're in
So i might wanna switch to those eventually
Mhm
Alrighty
The very meta guns just open up a lot of options
Yeah true
R8B4 since the nerfs is definetly not that high anymore
Pre nerf its def arguable at least
And god R8D2 is difficult yes
But 1. doing class 9 is not the easiest way and from what I remember we dont look at the hardest path for how difficult a level is
- R8D2 is very solved. Even the ending you can do quite easily
tbh the hardest part in duo are the 2 snatchers
scattergun?
i feel like youd want hel rifle to hold the nightmares solo
How much top of the leaderboard would it be if you needed to take cargo before opening other bulkheads for R4D2?
prob sawed off to stagger snatchers and hope your teammate gets to you fast enough
This is a good example of the hardest path not rly being what we rank for difficulty thx sleepo
where exactly? Idk, but it gets a lot more annoying. Especially if you legit did it first
is 2 or 3 sawed offs enough
2 shots yea
Need 40 dmg to stagger snatcher
4?
lmfao
Do R3, you guys seem decent enough to breeze through that in an afternoon (like most vets did when it released as Alt R3).
wow, it sure is easy to stagger snatchers
0 got lost
40 damage makes more sense i was thinking armor was doing funny things to numbers
I do wonder
For R4D2 is it just better to skip the turbine zone if you are doing PE?
Given it's a surge alarm
I never picked turbine up
R4D2 is extremely easy provided you know where to go, since as soon as enemies spawn behind, if you let even a single door working, close it and you finish the scan before any shadows get to you
You're also capped by shadows at that point anyway
Just remember to use the cfoam fix mod to fix spitteraudio
If you do it I'll dm Kier Starmer to tell him to congratulate you 
i dont want to be congratulated by that guy
i'd punch him in the face, can't lie
Violence isn't good :(
I wonder if anyone has done r4d2 picking up the cargo at the start of the level
neither is this govt
but that doesn't say much because govts all over are kinda crap
It's not worth it apparently because the shadow error is just annoying
I know. Just wondering if its doable
Idk how the shadow error would Interact with the chargers alarm
Thats no longer a thing anyway
regarding picking it up early
Doing so before secondary is troll
But doing it after secondary and before main is technically the speed strat
Its honestly not too bad, worst alarms are the class 6 and class 8 id say
Tho its uber annoying
Now that we know the 1cycle r4e1 reactor is possible, how does this affect gtfo%
What's the timesave
if ur good you get like 7 or 8 cycle anyways
getting 1 cycle is low chance bc you run 2-2 split anyway
Honestly I'm just surprised you all commited to running gtfo%
we almost did it in one sitting back when it was first done
"done"

HE LEFT THE SERVER LMAOOOOOOO

good ending of GTFO
Interview today 
xd
havent they been hardstuck on r4c2-r4c3 for a while now, i always see them and their "lfg" for those lvls
par for the course i suppose
we knew it was possible long before but the timesave is 2-3 minutes over the course of a run that is >24 hours and the risk is you wipe. If the team has the rng for a 2-2 one cycle then u go for it since that has almost 0 risk of wiping. But that is rare and 2 min ain't much
100% run has waaay worse rng than one cycle ye
gtfo full game any% and 100% are different beasts in time spent aswell
but one cycle was known to work over a year ago (and had been done even back then)
what would u say is the worst
prolly cell rng in certain lvls?
R3C1 key and HSU can be pretty bad
uhh if you're doing full send r2d2 one zone opens during reactor wave instead of at the end of the wave iirc
how many legendary figures have we lost, someone needs to make a tier list
but ya it doesn't do much, just like 1-2 minutes when there's bigger stuff out there
ah ya true
well key im not sure but i remember hsu is rng between 2 zones?
figures
Who
teamsky 
I would be new to the game if anyone doesn't mind teaching me the ropes
Somehow when i click on his profile it shows a 43 hour ongoing r4c2 run
Surprised the game hasn't fallen apart
Don't worry Pable I'm here UwU
Who the fuck are you
We were telling mama jokes to each other one day
What
in 100% it rly comes down to stuff I simply havent ran, R4C2PE for example has so many rng checks going on lol
time diff between good keys and most others is about 1 to 1 1/2 minutes
then you do that again for HSU basically
R8B4 nerf is overstated, it's a pretty fucked up hold
and the big issue for B4 and D2 is that the rest of the game doesn't feature anything that hard, tbh.
Imo the worst thing in R8B4 is the room that consists of 3 rooms for enemies spawns
I hate seeing enemies spawn in 6 metres from my pos
is it? is it tho?
Like the hold isnt easy yes. But its not a permanent full shooting sim anymore
And what is difficult about R8D2 then?
1st alarm? free
sec - class 7, ok challenge (im assuming duo still obviously) since you would shoot it)
mega mom, ok
dual alarm, theres like a 20 second window thats tough (when close to sec door)
extract is then the real challenge
What was the nerf for b4 again? The spawn times for waves and fix of forward spawns?
tbh juding some stuff in duo is generally a bit here and there
and in 4 man everything in R8D2 is solved
Again, what is supposed to be harder?
I dont fully remember
but iirc giant spawns got fixed to be now back spawns only?
then wave ramp is slower and ramps into less
Literally any example level to contend for top 7
Yes giants never spawned forward after fix, idk about wave ramp cos I'm too annoyed by room consisting of 3 rooms and seeing enemies just pop up there
wave ramp definetly got made slower and ramped less high
before you basically had permanent spawn cap
I know because I done it before nerf and was saving doors and in constant aim train simulator
R4E1, R5E1 and R8E2 obviously
R2E1, R7E1. Then other levels that I put around there (some of which I simply havent done in duo so I dont have a solved image) like R4C3, R5D2, R6C3, R6D4, R7C2, R8C2
If we are talking about duo specifically
I cant speak about R8D2 ending duo, as I havent done the current version in a duo
but everything else before that didnt feel harder than whats in many of those levels
Fog-related play in R8D2, especially for double scans, and ending both make it fucked.
double scan rly is just 1 scan
You have access to far fewer reps
you only need foggies for the megamom fight
o.O
fog goes away btw when you drown schaeffer
Yukino was a player that kept posting lfg ads like "ONLY GOOD PLAYERS ALLOWED" kind of stuff, and apparently from what I was told was only half-sarcastic (or even less than that).
ik
Sob
Of the levels you list, R4C3 and R5D2 are the only ones that might be hard
and I still think they're easier than R8D2
Perhaps raged one last time and just quit the server.
Keep in mind, I don't think class 7 plays quite the same in duo
well yea
in 4 man you foam and its basically over
its why I say 4 man R8D2 is completely solved (same for extract)
This is still nightmare spam in a fucked up room
R8D2 duo has that and the ending as the 2 tough parts
when I did class 7 it didnt feel too bad
tho I gotta say, we had good scans at the end specifically
R6C3, R6D4, R7C2, R8C2
But everything else in this list is not that hard, both duo and quad.
And in quad, R4C3 and R5D2 are definitely not that hard.
quad R4C3 has more wipe chance than R8D2 personally in quad
R8D2 quad is just so omega solved
R4C3 has mild variance
R4C3 felt pretty solved, and we've run a lot of overload first
Both for speeds and in pubs
my 2 most recent R8D2 quad wipes are me getting teamkilled by someone with choke mod 
i had a dream in which there was a level that was gardens and the first sec door was an error, but u had to do something to open it- hoewever u could skip it and the door would become a "class VI nightmare" and it was a scan that spawn almost surge levels of nightmares and a potato midway through, plus some scans were S
jesus christ
so kinda r8d2 sec
sort but no doors it was straight off spawn
slendo! dont interrupt the sophisticated talk with darkeva and ray
i remember having autopiss
sorry!!
honestly it says a lot that im more scared of pubs waking up nightmare scouts in secondary than the class 7
dreams b forgetful if i no say it i fogor
I keep reading OMEGA SOLVED and MILD VARIANCE so much I'm about to start enjoy it
o.O ?
I'm just being sarcastic a bit
🤣 But you really like the word "solved" dont you?
Like R8D2 imo is at least in the 8 hardest (full team since that matters) still
To the extent that R4C3 is "harder," it's pulling BBC room or running out of ammo on Overload first.
in the right context yes
R6D3 is another example
And yeah, R8D2 is still 8th even then
Make a copypasta out of it
Because the point still stands that the rest of the game just isn't very difficult
nuh ill make it a level eventually
^this depends on viewpoint tho ray
i dont like flat out saying it
cuz it isnt true
You don't have a pc ((((
this game is hard even if you know everything
eventually
It is true, though.
you cant just base it on the best players with basically all knowledge
Once you have gotten past all of the know-how
game without knowledge is ROUGH
One day ray will come to the realization that GTFO is incredibly easy and anyone who disagrees with him as skill issue
The execution is straightforward
leo ill get my rundown even if its by 2027
with knowledge the early stuff is free
Vanilla is genuinely a duo game
So earlier than occlusion?
probs
Come on...
Imo the game picks up again (if they have the knowledge) around R6D2, R7B3 level of difficulty range
I know the game is fully duoable but to say that it's genuinely a duo game is too much.
GTFO is a 4-man coop horror shooter idk why you think it's duo
22v11 is doable if you get the 11 top players and 22 run-of-the-mill ones but it's simply not a scenario that makes sense
You don't defend
GTFO is balanced around 4 players obviously
I am just correct. 4-man is GTFO's easy mode. There is nothing in vanilla that forces 4-man teamplay outside of speeds and possibly R8E2 (which is just a cut above everything else tbh).
some people just base it on their own sense of difficulty and cuz they dont realize that with thousands of hours of experience it might not be intended to be a challenge for them anymore
unironically a bad take
imma start saying that the binding of isaac is an itemless game, u dont need any items u just need to dodge the hits and its easy
I agree with gtfo duo being a good experience still since it works
but saying otherwise is coping
genuinely a duo game in the fact that if you're wanting challenge and fulfilment you should duo at the top end? I can absolutely agree with
minecraft with jumping is easy mod
minecraft is a jumpless game
yup
tho thats different from what ray is saying
I don't think it is
I'm all for "GTFO isn't the super-hardcore shooter that was promised" angle, but "genuinely a duo"...
minecraft is a -20 hour game, nah, more than that is just pub behaviour
15mins*
I mean this logic makes sense UP TO A POINT
Every cooperative mechanic is a 2-man requirement
it doesnt force u to make it harder either
vanilla doesnt force duo
Take for example any damn FPS game and people who resolve to make a "only basic pistol run"
the balance is set around 4 man
Does it make the game harder? Yes. Is it designed to be done around that? No.
2-man, 3-man, and 4-man play dramatically differently to solo
you are basing your opinion of what "balance" is around your own sense of difficulty
being realistic that means that most levels are solo forced then? cuz r1a1 or r8e1 doesnt force u to have anyone
You can make (I SWEAR I HATE THIS WORD) "Artificially" harder any game
The game is just completely different if you do not have access to cooperative elements.
Destiny raids are trios because you can do everything with 3 people
Vs. in duo, where you can do all of the cooperative elements
Jesus
gtfo is actually based around melee only
It has nothing to do with difficulty
It has to do w/ what sorts of mechanics you can do
wdym TTT in gmod is a group game- nah 3 people u just need 3 people technically
so why are you saying its a duo balanced game
Because there is no encounter in the game that requires 4 players
GTFO isn't forcing people to play it with any amount of players in lobby because you can just not host
as in killing
or mechanic
maybe corrupted uplinks could count as incentivizing trio or quad.
tf's going on?
That is not true.
GTFO isnt duo balanced dawg 💀
That's not what I said
Ok, tell me what would that look like
I have heard and say so many stupid shit
But this is funny
An example
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also "gtfo 4 man is gtfos easy mode"
yeah i think misinterpretation/semantics is going on hard
Literally just Samdown
ah so it is difficulty
i agree with ray
LOL
make a situation since I never played that
but that's literally just making the game harder
that's not balancing the game for 4 man
2/2 split that requires different player roles is not a thing in vanilla
4 cargos i guess
its balancing the game for 4man. For people with thousands of hours
the point that ray appearantly doesnt get here
modded does have some legit multisplit parts
was it lockout 2?
right
no, avg solo player with 100 hours in game cant solo hold r4e1
I don't want to type here my examples of the thoughts or I get banned
Guys
10CC should made a level with 4 reactors
One player each
samdown just assumes the average player has 2k hours
that's why it works for people who have 2k hours
occlu does too and it was also like D3? thats what u mean right
You are just incorrect if you think just making the game harder amounts to Samdown encounters.
tbf thats moreso 2 way split
all ik about samdown is that is apparently very hard
mb, replace every duo, trio scan in samdown with a big red and u get vanilla gtfo with harder waves
Ye and it involves enemies cap manipulation and around same time to get to crucial points for 3 out of 4 people or one person risking dying to error
where u need 2 people to defend
any split in this game just ups the difficukty a shit ton still ksmdk
theres a reason you dont get massive splits for groups (more than 2 groups) usually in gtfo
the enemy behaviour doesnt work well with it
so the devs didnt bother
F-tier hold, you are just not meant to be able to solo waves and kill tanks.
it isnt because its supposed to be a 2 player game
like even if it did its only apt for a deeper level, a deep deeper level, cuz the risk is suddenly heightened by 50%
one goes down- oops ur alone
Vanilla doesn't really have encounters that involve needing to wave hold and boss kill during a team split.
yes, harder waves, that's the point. The game now requires 2 players that have 2k hours to defend a wave
r7d2 sort of i guess
You are just not understanding.
but that doesnt mean the game is made for 2 players xD
It work pretty normally honestly, it starts fucking with self when there's too many enemies to pathfind to distant places and etc
instead of (r4e1) vanilla where a single player with 2k hours can kill the entire wave OR 2 players with 100 hours
It gets closest, but the split isn't enforced at all.
fucking average players in this game struggle holding some waves with 4 players shooting
You will just not understand if you keep framing it in terms of just difficulty.
It has nothing to do w/ the solo hold being hard
It has everything to do w/ what you need to bring to the hold to be able to do it
If you just need wave clear to hold something
It is not a multiplayer hold
the average player for every game sucks hard as well, its not a new phenomenon
I mean the definition of average is middle of the road to begin with
The vanilla game is a duo game because there is a very low teamplay requirement.
Even if You need only 2 players for the game
That DOESNT mean the game is balanced around 2 players
based on your sense of how difficult the game is
💀
ask any players on the other side of the spectrum (they obviously also arent correct) and they say its ultra hard and needs insane teamplay and communication
I can't solo hallowed king running at me full F1 speed that's why I have teammates dealing with wave and reagro F1 WhatsApp car
the better a player (the easier the game feels) -> the less teamplay required because they can take on more than 1 persons share
so im guessin this just goes mechanically but were forgetting about split scans and big red scans which incentivize people, tanks and moms encounters that might ebnefit from multiple players [one defends one baby one kills etc], multi tools cuz thats always usefuñ- ur forgettin a bit about the bigger picture
Sure, they might think that
But they are just incorrect
and yes its that easy
you are not worth as much as 1 expected gtfo player in skill
issue is for average players doing the samdown holds is straight up impossible. The vanilla game isn't balanced for us. It is balanced for this player that struggles with a duo hold for a single error alarm.
u can think "oh cargo its jus 2 fucking people" but ur forgetting the person who closes the door the one who foams it the one who mines it and the one who defends up ahead
It's probably also true that you can use "insane teamplay and communication" to get over hurdles that don't explicitly require teamplay
You said "genuinely a duo game".
this game is very clearly designed as a 4 player game
I literally explained why I meant
If you can't understand that, then idk
that doesnt mean that it has to force 4 players to do different things at the same time but that 2 people can work together to do 1 job
Engage w/ my point
in spite of how difficult a task may be, ray is right, there's not really anything that requires more than one player somewhere to contribute a second half of a whole in the base game
this is original take right?
Maybe it's because I'm not an anglophone but that ain't more than a throw away to "balanced for two".
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does this mean r8a1 is a solo level
Ray
is holding an alarm wave (no giants/bosses etc) a 1 person job in design for this game?
and all levels that can be solo'd
i think they just mean as in "u can do every objective and every part of a level can be done with max two people no matter as in the difficulty"
It depends on how you solo them
I think this thread has gone on for too long, the old message got lost in transition
requires = designed
if this game was fully forced as 4 player then it would be kinda shit aswell
I don't what to say
ngl
If I have literally explicitly said
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"designed is not what I'm saying, and is the wrong way to think about it"
I think that "can be duo'd" != "is a duo game"
And every 5 minutes you forget I said that
^^
this this this this this this this
Turn your fucking brain on
its hard to understand this point kmsdkm
Then maybe genuinely was not the correct word?
CRAZY
IT'S LIKE I NEVER SAID IT
you can design a system or object to do one thing and it ends up that in actuality it's way better than something else
You are just room temp IQ
new fav
take viagra or whatever, great at getting the thing up but it wasn't originally created nor designed for that
"4 man is easy mode"
"vanilla IS genuinely a duo game"
=/= is a very duo-able game
Im lower
the original intent of something can be transcended and is lost when new information comes out
This
GTFO is designed for duo, meant for duo, a 2-player game
Read my messages
Oh My fucking god
I am not repeating myself
We go to square one
💀
i think this is a bit like uhhhh idk the word
it can be taken different ways
this is like hopscotch but youre in a circle
the good old arguing against the words themselves instead of the sentiment behind them
If I only I had explained why I meant
Very clearly
yeah
I miss the weapon balance convos
No, that ain't it.
i think its better to say "it can be duo'd"
That vanilla encounters do not require a division of labor beyond having at least 2 players
but this is objectively wrong tho? no?
yeah i agree
you were arguing that modded content forces 4 players
you didnt explain why vanilla gtfo is actually a 2 player game
he wasnt saying that
i still think this then
because again
I feel like it is not hard to extrapolate what I mean when I literally explain it
teehee
i cba i'm just gonna continue fattening myself up off biscuits
and my comparison is Samdown
maybe maybe
k yeah, had to catch up
Because Samdown is not duo-able
Like almost all of the levels
are probably just impossible
what kind?
again
Ray
is holding an alarm wave (no giants/bosses etc) a 1 person job in design for this game?
don't talk to me unless you're both an r4e1 speedrunner and taking oestrogen, should cut out 99.98% of the community here
Rich Tea
mechanics wise or like skill wise?
they're such nothing biscuits
high end skilled players do the job alone
trio scans
Mechanics-wise, loadout-wise
but thats not how this game works generally
and shi
not really any taste, quite light in terms of nutritional value so it doesn't suck too bad to snack on them
do you think a robot could?
idk what this is but it sounds good
The duo/trio scans do make it hard required, buyt even without them.
eva is not about that i think, that can be tweaked as waves in other levels are tweaked for an objective or a 4 man progression
I'm leaning no, still, but maybe.
literally an unflavoured biscuit
butterscotch fingers go hard
Like if you did crazy shit

If i put spawncap error + few bosses into r8e1 and fill rooms with scouts and make a warden survival protocol for 30 minutes + emp it won't be duo experience
W/ movement and perfect lines
none what so ever sounds boring tho
so many biscuits go hard but it's like oh my fucking god this biscuit is 10% of the recommended daily intake of saturated fats wtf
But I think it's the level of TAS that a human could not perform
You are missing 10 tanks every 2 minutes
meanwhile i could eat this entire pack of rich tea biscuits (300g) and it's less sugar than a can of coke
if my fat isnt saturated i dont want it
so they're just bricks of wheat
dont talk unless you know what kind of parametric procedure you need to use with 2 independent variables and homogenous variance (oh and if you have eaten today pls dont talk either)
Sorry not a samdown player, I only fight kings/emperors
Idk what is that
But i hope they beat your ass
was i silent or silenced (ive eaten today)
thats kinda the point tho
holding a wave of smalls is balanced around more than 1 player in this game. Even tho you can do it alone if skilled enough
i wonder if someone will make a TAS for this game
slendi
i have eaten breakfast
lunch
biscuits
and more biscuits
it has been hours since i woke up
biscuits 
The 4:04 training TAS 
(If)
"If you're courageous enough, everything is a di_l_d0" -George Washington




