gtfo-chat

[brittle schooner]

i could see some of the upper terminals being doable but i think you'd have 2 take alot of fall dmg to get there in time

thats prolly why

[graceful geode]

Unrelated but I've gotta ask: How's Herta 5*?

[brittle schooner]

lmao

[graceful geode]

Assuming I've her and none of the trio on the limited who the heck do I pull?

[daring ginkgo]

one? oh shit

[brittle schooner]

i have e2, she's quite strong

[graceful geode]

I'm a filthy f2p gacha player, keep in mind

[brittle schooner]

when you do the verify thing you have 10 seconds to get back to the main terminal to confirm in order to finish a sequence

[daring ginkgo]

10? wtf

[brittle schooner]

as you can imagine 10 seconds is not alot of time xd

[daring ginkgo]

even 15 was tight on r7d1

i have a bad feeling about this... probably will ask for help in lfg once again

after some attempts

[brittle schooner]

honestly probably for the best cause its just gonna be rng fest most likely, but u can wait for eva to confirm if there is more than 1 possible terminal, tho my guess is other terminals would prolly need u take fall dmg

[fringe garden]

the solo strats just spawncap while rolling for the terminal

with bots you can't do that so you'll just run out of resources unless you either just let the bots die or you get absurdly lucky

[brittle schooner]

understandable, i cant speak much for e0 but one thing i do know is that if you dont have the BP lc or her sig lc her dmg does go down quite a bit

[graceful geode]

I get it, not puru-rin.

[rose nova]

how would the sec prevent u from putting the command until the end on r8c1 tho
like is it possible to have 2 main doors in order to make one open automatically

or do u just change how the main and ov work

[brittle schooner]

tbf if your more casual just go for whatever u want, dont have 2 stick to "meta"

[graceful geode]

Like they did in R7D1, bulk key inside a sec door that only opens when you put the command in

It is also true that R8C1 selecting Overload is unique

[rose nova]

yeah that's why i say is it possible to have two main doors

cuz also there's people who did the sec until right before the overload

like after the checkpoint-

[graceful geode]

Since it wants a terminal command for selecting Overload or Main, but I'd just drop that and add a bulkhead dc.

[rose nova]

and that's not cheese

u technically still did it in order

should it like close the secondary door after u finish ov?

would still be possible to cheat it...

[graceful geode]

I hope I wont get banned for saying this

But perhaps that would have been, let's say, very hard to implement correctly without causing bugs or fucking something else up.

[rose nova]

i mean no it is in the game files to close a bulkhead but

[graceful geode]

Really?

I had no idea.

[rose nova]

yeah bako did it in occlusion

[brittle schooner]

doesnt r8e1 secondary prevent you from putting in command if you open the 1st security door? doing smthing like that should work

[graceful geode]

Dont know but I remember someone saying they cheesed it by backtracking all the damn way after the checkpoint and putting the command in

If it is, then I think it got "fixed" afterwards

Would still perhaps be enough to work tbh

[rose nova]

but u open the sec door

and then just leave it

u don't do sec too to bottom

[brittle schooner]

hm, well im not 2 sure how exactly it works tbh

[hoary crescent]

what if you were a secondary door

could i open you with a bulkhead key

[brittle schooner]

no

[graceful geode]

oh cielo

[hoary crescent]

terminal command

[brittle schooner]

if you find the right command yes

[graceful geode]

🤣

[hoary crescent]

deactivate_alarm

[brittle schooner]

nop

[hoary crescent]

i give up

[brittle schooner]

skill issue

[hoary crescent]

[graceful geode]

let's see...

Star backwards is rats

rats are animals, like chickens

so START FRIED_CHICKEN.EXE

[brittle schooner]

wasnt it fried chicken.exe

[brittle schooner]

there you go

correct

[graceful geode]

I still remember how amazed and surprised I got when I was testing random commands

and START LIGHT_TESTING.EXE worked

[brittle schooner]

im suprised you would put light_testing

light_test is closest i'd get prolly

[graceful geode]

I knew it was something related to lights

I literally pulled out the synonims dictionary online

to test for terms

I knew it had a limit since after a certain point it blocks you or whatever

instead of saying "file not found"

So it was 18 characters

one was a _ and it was perhaps 2 words

excluding THE and other stuff it'd be 4+1+4 characters minimum

[brittle schooner]

oh i didnt notice that

fair enuf

[graceful geode]

I think that's the limit or a number around that

especially since .EXE counts IIRC

[junior latch]

That is still the most boring way to do it ngl
just deal with a few waves of shadows…

@graceful geode all main zone ones
But per run you only get 1 of the options there. The rng for each roll is this 1/4 (cuz 4 zones)

No theres a completely different reason for why it is like it is

[brittle schooner]

do you have 2 jump and take fall dmg for it or can u actually make it there "normally"?

[junior latch]

4 of them work fine
The 5th is doable without iirc? But if you wanna be as fast as possible its a bit of fall dmg

but you always roll the dame one in a run anyhow

[brittle schooner]

i see

[daring ginkgo]

time to gamble

[daring ginkgo]

my god, that terminal locations in main room 💀

[junior latch]

All of them work!

[daring ginkgo]

sooo, enemies keep spawning even if i fali timed sequence, okay

[junior latch]

Insta restart :)

[daring ginkgo]

yeah, i outw8ted first failed sequence, tried again, got terminal in other zone again, restarted xd

[modern coral]

R8C1?

F

[daring ginkgo]

yeah

[junior latch]

r8c1ovl solo rolling

gotta hit a 1/64 if you dont wanna fail a single time

[daring ginkgo]

i also watched video guide

should clear sec after ov

[junior latch]

We did it in exactly 64 runs iirc

[junior latch]

It rly doesnt matter

its just a few shadow waves

and since you need inner terminals

[daring ginkgo]

i can survive fails on wave 1 and 2 i think at least once

but last wave with tank nope

[junior latch]

You will always fast plug (its always the same term so you are always running for it)
So you wont get much of the actual wave

the shadows are such a non issue in the end

[daring ginkgo]

question, can i make in time closest terminal on zone 371

or better keep this zone shut for less spawning points

[junior latch]

run from sec door to main term

If it takes over 8 seconds, you cant do it

[daring ginkgo]

oh you bot motherfuckers, why did you refuse to stay on scans now 🤬

rip run, bots refuse to stay on last sustain scan to unlock ov zone

[hoary crescent]

playing with bots looks so miserable idk why you put up with it

[daring ginkgo]

nah, its fine

satisfying in its own way

[hasty bobcat]

you have a checkpoint tho

[daring ginkgo]

bots refuse to stay in last scan every time

i had this on r6d3, only full restart helped

[hoary crescent]

is that a better bots issue or are bots just bad

[daring ginkgo]

i am playing with vanilla bots

so latter

[latent palm]

Bruh

With better bots you dont even see anything for the whole game

[hoary crescent]

LOL

[naive rover]

Yeah bots aren’t particularly great at prioritizing objectives unless they’re Surge scans in my experience. Not great at shooting things and they can’t prioritize targets like a player can.

[latent palm]

Just because of how fast they delete eneimes

[latent palm]

Nah

[daring ginkgo]

bots is fine

just had some rare unfortunate bugs

[latent palm]

Bots follow a specific term of player targeted objectives and would drop everything theyre doing if theyre apart atleast 20m

After its poof

Teleportation

[daring ginkgo]

refuse to stay in scan, refuse to revive, refuse to pick up items ( after restarting from checkpoint )

[latent palm]

Idk why youd checkpoint lol

Checkpoint in this game sucks

Like reaaaaally sucks

[daring ginkgo]

it is intended mechanic of the game argh

[hoary crescent]

i think checkpoints are cool

[latent palm]

OG R6 would

Now?

[daring ginkgo]

i would gladly avoid using checkpoints, but doing lvls like r6c3 or r7c3 first try with bots seems like miracle, esp r7c3 with this long stealth first part

[latent palm]

Yeah

[daring ginkgo]

doing this stealth shit every time and i would kms

[junior latch]

Eeeeeh

[latent palm]

They tend to not have the function of a big guy take down

[latent palm]

Youre not helping

Killing you

[daring ginkgo]

also i got very lucky on r7d1 doing it first try but still, rolling rng with terminals over and over again on first try without checkpoint is awful

[junior latch]

Oh btw if you rly wanna cheese

[naive rover]

I remember when we we in R7 before full release one of the levels would bug all of the cells so you couldn’t pick them up on if you used checkpoint

[junior latch]

ovl 2 sequences
Then secondary finish
Then ovl last one

Is easiest way

[latent palm]

It existed until October 2023

[daring ginkgo]

why this order?

[latent palm]

Or later than that if i remember

[naive rover]

Super awesome lol

[latent palm]

Man

[daring ginkgo]

i mean, why not complete all sequences and then do sec?

[latent palm]

I miss the R4D2 objective scan merge

Those were the days i actually had fun

[naive rover]

?

[hoary crescent]

so you dont get shadows

on first 2 sequences

[junior latch]

doing secondary? Cuz finishing ovl is an error

finishing sec? So you dont have to run to that scan with an error

[latent palm]

You get a merge of scans between overload n main scan

[daring ginkgo]

oh, there are error after ov

[latent palm]

So you can do main before doing secondary

Which literally deleted all the problems of doing secondary

[daring ginkgo]

i think it is bad idea for me

imagine, i do 2 waves, do sec, come back to do 3rd wave, got bad rng, have to restart and now i have to do first 2 waves AND sec again

nah

[latent palm]

Better solution

Play with actual players

[daring ginkgo]

i'd rather eat those shadow waves

[hoary crescent]

wait what?

[daring ginkgo]

not until i give up this is not bs like r7e1

[latent palm]

Good luck with that lol

[daring ginkgo]

have some faith

[hoary crescent]

idk

[latent palm]

Im not sayin i doubt you

Im sayin its a choice

A solution mayhaps

[daring ginkgo]

maybe if i will be tired enough to reroll i will use lfg again

[hoary crescent]

he's done every level apart from like 2 with bots

let the man dream

[latent palm]

Hey i didnt told him to stop

If hes that good with bots. I gotta give props to him

But E2 is gon go insane

[daring ginkgo]

is it even possible without cheese/exploits ?

[latent palm]

Without cheese?

[wraith marsh]

It should be

[latent palm]

If you survive the class VI maybe

Idk if vanila bots can tank through nightmare waves

[daring ginkgo]

why not

[honest parrot]

How tf do you do the reactor with bots tho

[daring ginkgo]

it is just stronger chargers i guess

[wraith marsh]

You can do reactor alone

[hasty bobcat]

ask ppl who play solo

[latent palm]

That one left door spawns gon tell you different

If you get E room spawn

Youre good

[daring ginkgo]

yeah, i saw a lot of complains about this alarm xd

[brittle schooner]

im fairly sure yes

1st part is a lil rng

(alot)

[hasty bobcat]

are we talking about first class 6

e2

[latent palm]

Ye

First one

[brittle schooner]

me specifically im talking about getting to the class 6

[visual lily]

I want my big left toe to explode violently and send pieces flying

[latent palm]

Cause were not counting the cheese for 2nd one yet

[latent palm]

Bro heeth has been a pain to liberate

[hasty bobcat]

getting to it is free

[latent palm]

Bug divers are so so duumb

[hasty bobcat]

getting to it with enough resources in solo is dogwater

[visual lily]

Correct

[latent palm]

You get a free win on heeth stoping 2 invasions, mfs play on angels venture to loose 2

[brittle schooner]

this is what im referring to when i say rng yea, also ||double mother is kinda fked both solo and solo with bots ngl||

[hasty bobcat]

nah

u ctrip

ggez

[latent palm]

You say this

Last week i clear E2

There was not even a cnade around

Like i literally had consumables mod ping on and i saw nothing bruh

Its so ass

Shooting myself

[hasty bobcat]

i am duoing rn

we got 3 trips and 4 nades

[latent palm]

With whom

[daring ginkgo]

me when i had 0 explosive mines on r7c3 first blood door

[brittle schooner]

well u want to save at least 1 c-trip for the p-mom prolly, but if u have 3 (which shouldnt be that hard 2 get ig) then ig its not 2 bad

[latent palm]

Bang ur head against foamed guys

[visual lily]

Tactics so advanced we cannot understand them

[latent palm]

Explosive thoughts

[latent palm]

Joel even wrote it into the MO

[hasty bobcat]

look up vcs

[latent palm]

Oh that guy

Never seen them before :3

@visual lily were also gonna get the occulist in illuminates

Its called the flashbang heavy unit

When it dies it flashes 1/4th of the map

[visual lily]

That sounds mildly annoying

[latent palm]

The mf also cast purple lighting

Like huge rays of thunder in the sky

[hasty bobcat]

did someone call me

[brittle schooner]

sky hallucinating

[hasty bobcat]

reactor is boring

[brittle schooner]

it would be fine if enemies didnt take 10 billion years 2 get 2 you

[naive rover]

Helldivers 2?

[brittle schooner]

i love my stuck tanks

[naive rover]

How do you guys feel about the DMR Primary versus the Carbine?

[daring ginkgo]

i prefer dmr

but 99% of time i am using sawed-off

[naive rover]

I would much rather kill them before they get 2 feet away from me

That gun is kinda high risk, isn't it?

[alpine scaffold]

Use Hel Shotgun and you'll know what obliteration means

[daring ginkgo]

i think it is quite opposite, you just one-shot every small enemy with it in close range, can stagger multiple targets if they are in scope, quickly kill giants

[naive rover]

Guess I haven't used a whole lot

[daring ginkgo]

it is best or second best primary

[naive rover]

Tried it at the beginning of my time on this game and sucked real bad at aiming back then

[daring ginkgo]

tied with hel revolver

[naive rover]

I'm sure it's no surprise that I'm also not good at hitting things with that gun

I should try the sawed off again

[daring ginkgo]

yeah, you even dont have to aim with it, enemy in scope - shoot - profit

[naive rover]

I actually don't know how people use that gun

[daring ginkgo]

hel shotgun is good too, but on latter rundowns there are a lot of big enemies and slow reload speed can hurt

hel shotgun is great vs crowds

[naive rover]

I super consistently can't kill anything with that gun. Like 10 shots into a dude and he just get ping ponged all over the place. Maybe I'm not close enough?

[daring ginkgo]

with hel shotgun? yeah it is even closer range weapon then sawed off i think

higher pellets spread out iirc

[naive rover]

Probably why I never kill

Yeah that too for sure

I'm usually within like 10 feet when I use it, which is way more than close enough for OG Buckland and Scatter gun

And no kill

[junior latch]

sawed off will basically always kill when in its intended range and can easily kill up to near 10 meters

hel shotgun is far closer range, usually effective in a sub 4 meter range

[naive rover]

Holy crap

10 meters?

meters?

[junior latch]

yes

[naive rover]

That's pretty far

[junior latch]

its where kills become inconsistent

like rly inconsistent

it has sliiiiightly higher kill range than the normal shotgun

scattergun is inbetween, but it also just nukes 5 enemies at once

[naive rover]

Yeah clearly I was just incapable of aiming back when I tried sawed off

Back when this was like my first actual PC game (I was raised using controller and playing consoles).

The switch to keyboad/mouse has been rough

Still can't play PvP games with mouse. Have gotten good at this game though

[junior latch]

sawed off is pretty much the strongest main weapon in the game
that doesnt mean its always the best

but it has so much pure and can put it out so fast

hel shotgun is a good bit slower and lower range
but it gets pen and a massive mag, you can litteraly hold of a full wave if you want to when its up

hel revo is more in the general tune of a main weapon. It actually has great range, pen, clean TTK, good reload (if cancelled) and is basically always good to use

[naive rover]

I can't get over the sight on revo. Feels like I can't see anything out of that little nub

[junior latch]

the tier after this is carbine, dmr and hel auto pistol (support gun so niche)
(below that you will find the balanced weapons generally like DTR, burst rifle, pistol and rifle (and pdw if you value thermals highly, the gun isnt good tho)

[naive rover]

My team has always entertained the idea that hel revo is probably best main gun but we all suck with it

[junior latch]

hel revo heavily rewards skill

and its probably the best pick to always be useful out of the top 3 mains for general play

[naive rover]

We all hate PDW. Bad gun without a doubt

[junior latch]

but the Tier 2 or A Tier guns (carbine specifically) are also very much strong

[naive rover]

I almost always use Carbine

However,

[junior latch]

idk why, but carbine bullets feel like they are bigger than other guns

[naive rover]

In using Hel Rifle per your advice, I miss the single shot potential it has at long range

[hasty bobcat]

use hel gun

imo

[naive rover]

Carbine staggers pretty well imo

[junior latch]

hel rifle is easier to use sky

[naive rover]

If all shots hit

[junior latch]

wdym you miss the "single shot potential" ?

[naive rover]

Like, with smalls you can kill in one bullet if you hit them. Carbine doesn't do that, especially at range. Can kill in one burst but it's hard to hit from far away.

I switched to DMR because I wanted to have higher damage and more accuracy at range

[honest parrot]

I mean in comparison to main options it's not bad already

Dmr has less ammo and acts more like long range support

[hasty bobcat]

it's so sad when i hit just one

or miss

:(

it's like

if i don't get pen it's not worth it

[junior latch]

it is tho

i dont know where this notion comes from

[honest parrot]

If you think carbine has short range wait till you use the pistols like burst p or machine p

[junior latch]

high cal/shotgun etc also work fine on single kills

hel rifle is at basically the same efficiency ffs

[junior latch]

its a main gun

outside of sawed off and hel shotgun they are tuned with different power in mind

well and slug
but we dont speak about slug

[honest parrot]

Slug's fun

If you miss a oneshot you cry in the corner

[junior latch]

youd use carbine when pressured and to kill solo smalls here and there
hel rifle kills at long range (and short if necessary)

[naive rover]

By the way, D4RKEVA you'll be sad to know I'm back on Techman Arbalest V for my main Secondary. On R5B2 we tried having me use Hel Rifle along with ShasXV and suddenly we couldn't clear waves anymore lol No one else can track smalls and I can't line up collads for pen

[brittle schooner]

i think its a notion that comes with most hel weapons tbh

[honest parrot]

It's fine
Pubs often enjoy it

And can work with it (most of them anyways, not the ones that spray and pray)

[brittle schooner]

as for why exactly im not even sure myself xd

[naive rover]

It kills smalls in 2 round bursts if you don't miss

That's a lot of dead smalls

falls a bit when Chargers get thrown in though

[honest parrot]

You just bring something in main that accounts for them

Carbine or sawed off most of the time can deal with them

[junior latch]

arbalist takes 3 shots to kill a small

[brittle schooner]

maybe try out combat shotgun, its pretty gud for more chaotic wave clear if ur struggling with that

[naive rover]

Even if second bullet hits neck/head?

[naive rover]

I've thought about it

Techman Arbalest V is like, a good all rounder though. I can switch what I'm fighting to help anybody as long as it's not across a huge room.

Doesn't mean it's great at taking out the three Bigs my buddy has to deal with because he forgot to reload his gun before firing his last bullet into them but like, I can fix the problem then turn around and deal with the smalls by me or something

Hybrids how ever are nearly impossible for me to deal with though

[honest parrot]

Just bring a good main that has good enough close range to fix that

Most of the pistols, burst rifle, carbine and shotguns should fix it

[naive rover]

Carbine with HMG is what I normally use

Unless level requires something special like Scatter Gun

[brittle schooner]

its not terrible but idk if i'd quite call it good, have you tried out veruta by chance? (the other mg)

[junior latch]

its realistically entirely small clear
all rounders are generally more smth like shotgun, high cal, hel rifle

[naive rover]

Welp

[brittle schooner]

also yea you really do NOT want to be shooting an arbalist into giants/bosses lul

[junior latch]

its a rather weak options
you can def still clear with it

[naive rover]

That makes sense because that's what I usually am doing for everyone.

[junior latch]

funnily enough unless you are carrying a actual giant killer on your team (burst cannon, scatter or sniper) this isnt rly that bad
its slow, but not ammo in efficient at all compared to most guns youd use

[naive rover]

I have lots of clears with it 🙋‍♂️ but realistically everyone else is supposed to be tergeting bigs because everyone else has Hel Gun, Hel Rifle, and Precision

Used to have a sniper on the team but it's not a very flexible weapon and has pretty low ammo count.

[junior latch]

^ of those 3 none are solo big clear funnily enough

thats: wave clear/all round, all round and small clear (shadows)

both hel gun and rifle exceed at giant kills with pen, but on a singular giant they are actually similarly efficient

[modern coral]

Sniper's only saving grace is it has a high refill count, lmao

[junior latch]

like you will heavily pref hel gun/rifle on giants obviously

[junior latch]

enemy count

[brittle schooner]

well im assuming they're carrying 1 boss kill weapon, but ya its not the worst into them

[modern coral]

But if you're saying Sniper has low ammo, it doesn't unless you shoot smalls or bosses with it

and you shouldn't be

[junior latch]

tbh sniper is not bad vs bosses if you exclude mom

[naive rover]

Yeah the weapons I mentioned are like, our normal loadouts that we're comfortable and efficient with. We switch around depending on level. Usually after we die the first time.

[brittle schooner]

i find it so funny that a boss kill weapon is like literary the worst vs a mom lmao

[modern coral]

It's more BC and Scatter are so much better

[naive rover]

Scatter though?

[junior latch]

honestly the patch where sniper shat on mom and tank wouldve been better

[junior latch]

no shit ray

[junior latch]

hm?

[naive rover]

Nevermind you guys answered it already

I was too slow

[modern coral]

But compared to shotgun, choke, etc.

[brittle schooner]

smthin about uncapped tumor dmg or smthin like that?

[modern coral]

Sniper is fine

[junior latch]

scatter is just too good

[junior latch]

yes

[naive rover]

too good

[brittle schooner]

how many shots was it vs mom and tank?

[junior latch]

sniper is one of the only things that profited of it at all

3 vs mom, "5" vs tank

it left tank at 40 hp

after 4

and mom at 200 after 2

funnily enough not even as good as scatter

tho it was disgusting vs tank obviously due to range

but like

scatter exists

[brittle schooner]

you one clipped a mom dam, (still not nearly as op as current scatter tho lol)

[junior latch]

and actually is good vs smalls and bbcs and snatcher

[junior latch]

no it was 2 mag sniper

[brittle schooner]

ah i thought that patch was before that change

i see

[junior latch]

no it was a patch after it

it then got "fixed" after 1 more patch

thats also the patch where hel gun got buffed with more ammo :)

LOL

[brittle schooner]

xd

[hasty bobcat]

my hands are shakinnn

[brittle schooner]

gj man

[hasty bobcat]

it's so tight

just like my ass

really

oops

[brittle schooner]

ayo

hardest part is prolly 2nd class 6

[hasty bobcat]

yeah 100%

[brittle schooner]

did you open kds deep before that?

[junior latch]

hardest part is confincing yourself you want to do reactor

[brittle schooner]

just do bulkhead door hold!

[junior latch]

honestly id like to see the ending done with a oob and no enemys capped elswhere

you legit have the enemies spawn on you sometimes. fun challenge

[naive rover]

My team has died so many times to this in Reactor levels

[junior latch]

also (unless you open reactor just for res ) you would have to do 2nd class 6 on no ammo

[hoary crescent]

oh shoot spiff played r2e1?

[junior latch]

oh no :)
i cant explain, but its uuuh

ah fun glitch

[junior latch]

?

[hoary crescent]

idk i just saw he posted a vod

and the first gtfo mission they play is r2e1

[junior latch]

oh is it the r5c2 vod

they wipe on r2e1

[brittle schooner]

it was 1 attempt ya

[hoary crescent]

oh LOL

fair enough

[junior latch]

then swap to r5c2

r5c2 is good tho

fun to watch

[hoary crescent]

did they clear that?

[junior latch]

2nd attempt ye

[hoary crescent]

nice

[junior latch]

the clear had a mega clutch ovl

[brittle schooner]

eva didnt beleive

smh

[junior latch]

someone got snatcher bugged

[hoary crescent]

ooh i wanna see

[junior latch]

and the other 3 clutched it with them leaving

[hoary crescent]

they got so much better just by seeing the r2e1 attempt

[junior latch]

i expected them to die in ovl ngl, 1 guy getting snatched into snowball

[junior latch]

still very very many moments where you can tell its a bit "pub" like

but yea

they are on the good end of pubs

for sure

[hoary crescent]

well yeah but watching the old videos back then

it's like night and day

[brittle schooner]

fair xd

but they knew that it wasnt an alarm and it was scripted spawns tbf

[hoary crescent]

carbine scattergun metaslave spiff

[brittle schooner]

it still pains me when i see spiff using an ammo when has like 80% scatter and 15% carbine

[hoary crescent]

LOL

does he do that

[junior latch]

only after

1. learning in 96 hour gtfo marathon that scatter is uber busted
2. being told so again by kenny when on r8e2 struggles

[hoary crescent]

💀

is that 90 fov btw

or is it default

[junior latch]

they did avoid all info tho

with some small exceptions

[junior latch]

probably default (or rly close)

[brittle schooner]

yes xd, on the r5c2 run i remember at least 2instances of that, prolly more cause i wasnt watching the whole time

[hoary crescent]

damn

[hoary crescent]

lmaoo

based scattergun user

don't use scatter just overfill it to 300%

[brittle schooner]

tbf he doesnt do it as much as before

[junior latch]

spiff is a rly good gamer

[brittle schooner]

very true

[junior latch]

he just isnt focused on gtfo as much as many here (lol)

[hoary crescent]

no doubt yeah

for not being his main game he's really good

i think he said he has like 200 hours now?

[junior latch]

300

[hoary crescent]

ahh

for not going out of his way to learn a lot of stuff 300 hours like that he's really really good

[junior latch]

imo
if you compare it to the average (amount) player, hes rly good at the game
if you compare it to the average (skill), hes good at the game
if you compare it to the average (discord perceived average), then hes decent/good

which is pretty nice considering the near 0 info until R8E2 and only 300 hours

[hoary crescent]

seems about right

considering gtfo is a hard game and that you're not supposed to steamroll every level or complete every level first try no matter what

seems right yeah

[graceful geode]

What I know in 2k hours could be compressed to 300 if 1- I really paid attention 2- Someone took a lot of effort explaining and showing. Hours as a meter of skill is something with massive dimishing returns IMHO but that's a point I think many agree on.

[soft temple]

video before march, he is cooking

[hoary crescent]

i love how much more he uses melee

[junior latch]

yup
if you had multiple vets coach someone who REALLY wanted to learn and get good (not careing as much about their "fun") then they could be insane at that point in time

[soft temple]

He was a spear boy but E2 turned him into a hammer believer

(I would scatter half the giants he tries to melee tho LOL)

[hoary crescent]

i played e2 once with spear cause of randomizer

never again

[soft temple]

even if just to ammo balance

[junior latch]

that was also with the 96 marathon

spear got shittalked SO MUCH (i am partially at fault)

[soft temple]

lmao

[hoary crescent]

if there was one spear hater left in the world it would definetly be eva

[junior latch]

also that reminds me of a moment where any other melee than spear couldve made me survive

fighting 20 babies with slug shotgun and sniper

[brittle schooner]

i remember when i used 2 say/think spear was decent

[junior latch]

spear is decent if you remove hammer

[soft temple]

Honestly I still sometimes alternate between hammer and spear because well, I really like polearms, no other reason lmao
But yeah it's really just for A levels where we are fucking around with people who just started a new rundown

[hoary crescent]

i rather use my fist than spear

[junior latch]

spear just feels so unfun to use for me
I dont actually hate it that much, it should just rly not be intentionally in a nerfed state imo

[junior latch]

1 dmg per hit fists would be better vs babies than spear

[hoary crescent]

yes

[soft temple]

But yeah losing the ability to run at full speed feels worse the better you get at the game

[hoary crescent]

every time you point that out to a new player they just don't get it

i feel so sad

[brittle schooner]

i mean again, it DOES kill shit, im not saying it doesnt, but personally after getting used 2 hammer i just see no reason to ever use spear over it outside for meme runs like trying to melee bosses lul.

[junior latch]

its even funnier

when spear players (before the buff to slow run) thought no melee could run and charge

[soft temple]

lol

[hoary crescent]

[soft temple]

I gotta take baby steps with my friends and ease them into the hammer, as they still forget that shove is an option

when they close/long range detection wake something up

on a compeltely unrelated note, is the 96 hour marathon archived like anywhere

[junior latch]

pfff

uuuh

i dont think so

[soft temple]

for shame

[junior latch]

the wheel of missfortune streams are (at least 4 of them)

[hoary crescent]

im so sad the 96 hour marathon is not archived

i would've 100% watched it a second time

should've thought about it and saved the vod

shame on me

[modest abyss]

Ktoś z Polski gra?

[soft temple]

It's a shame that such a cool event wasn't thought to be archived but I guess it's hard to archive 96 hour stream

which was also likely divided into multiple POVs

[junior latch]

we still have one of the most funniest gtfo clips imo

pmom suicide bombing

[hoary crescent]

that one's pretty frickin good yeah

[soft temple]

do share

[mystic moss]

spent $100 to make that clip happen

[hoary crescent]

#gtfo-media message

oh whoops wrong clip

[soft temple]

lmao

[hoary crescent]

#gtfo-media message

right clip

[junior latch]

damn you spent 100? Wasnt the promised nr like 70?

still legendary voxy moment

[junior latch]

NAH

NAAAAH

[hoary crescent]

me when i slander the person playing with the three speedrunners

[mystic moss]

streamathon was a fun event

good way to close the game off

[modest abyss]

109775242933834751

[pseudo sedge]

how is that clip not pinned

[junior latch]

NAH

[soft temple]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[junior latch]

legit the most active speedrunner of the game and one of the longest active ones (cant compete with kenny on that tho xD) and I get noted down as a Bug Hunter

[pseudo sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-very-sloth-slow-gif-15217258118848753873

eva in the eyes of the devs

[hoary crescent]

three speedrunners and this youtube bug hunter

[soft temple]

[junior latch]

me when I get the devs into the gtfo quizshow
"who is this games most active speedrunner"

nah i gotta put in funny/good question tho sadly

[pseudo sedge]

isn't it technically frosty rn cause he also ran solo, duos and every 4 man speedrun he was with u?

[hasty bobcat]

how many bbc could tgb handle

[hoary crescent]

one for each hole

okay sorry

[junior latch]

frosty ran solo?

[hasty bobcat]

i raise two

[pseudo sedge]

r8a1

[hoary crescent]

wha

[junior latch]

ah right

[hasty bobcat]

tutorial!!

[pseudo sedge]

i can confirm it is at least twice that

[junior latch]

well it depends on how recent you check

[hoary crescent]

tutorial

[junior latch]

ive run among the most solos
near the most duos (not most tho)
(we dont talk about trios, but ive done a few)
and by far the most full team runs

fuck trios man

idk

its not even a good category to have

theres like 1 good trio run

and its r7a1

from 2 years ago

[pseudo sedge]

yea but do u have 22 hours on r3d1 solo glitched any% bbc zone gamba

[junior latch]

5:42 (9 seconds less than wr for full team)

[junior latch]

no

but ive probably got more in other levels solo

[pseudo sedge]

good now pls help me how do i stop pls i need help

[junior latch]

swap levels

we can do duo glitched

on some stuff

r8e2 duo glitched 👀

wait wait wait

tgb

reverse rng r1a1

do it

[pseudo sedge]

why

[junior latch]

cuz

i wanna see the optimum

[pseudo sedge]

i fucking dont wanna, it's so fuckign boring to pull out all the datablocks

[hasty bobcat]

eva please don't do 55 18

[junior latch]

?

[hasty bobcat]

55 key 18 hsu

💀

[junior latch]

no like

[pseudo sedge]

and I will say this: stealing 10cc code is not worth it, if a romanian says that... it's truly joeover

[hasty bobcat]

or what does reverse rng mean

[junior latch]

r1a1 reverse rng
is shifting the rng of key and hsu to front spawn

A key and close B hsu

will be like 90% of the runs

[hasty bobcat]

oh

[junior latch]

remove checkpoint

[hasty bobcat]

fair

[junior latch]

and it will be a 4fun check on how fast you could go

tgb is just a bi*ch

smh

not even tall enough to be a real birch tree

[hasty bobcat]

how tall is he tf

[junior latch]

like 5 2

[hasty bobcat]

LMAO

[hoary crescent]

OL

[hasty bobcat]

actual gremlin no offense

xd

[junior latch]

nah

tgb isnt tiny

hes pretty average height iirc?

unironically I cant judge

[hoary crescent]

wow

[hasty bobcat]

wdym

[pseudo sedge]

bro mac would be cooked if that were true

[soft temple]

aio

[hoary crescent]

that's what i hear everytime with a woman

[hasty bobcat]

LMAO

[hoary crescent]

and the look of disappointment is immeasurable

[pseudo sedge]

dw same

[junior latch]

xD

tgb id guess you are like low 180s? or high 170s?

[pseudo sedge]

anyway i m watching a femboy in thigh highs just chatting stream rn and nothign is gonna stop me

[hoary crescent]

wait

link?

[soft temple]

Buh?

[hasty bobcat]

i hate it here

[hoary crescent]

you're jealous you're not the femboy in question

[hasty bobcat]

i am but not in question

[junior latch]

@hasty bobcat unironically you should do r7c1 duo speeds

[hasty bobcat]

wait what

[pseudo sedge]

https://www.twitch.tv/femboysandwich

[hoary crescent]

based

[hasty bobcat]

isn't it like

skipping fog

[junior latch]

current duo doesnt

but its optimal if you do yea

skipping is tough

BUT

you can shooter cap

[hoary crescent]

tgb why does it shows you gifted 300 subs to femboysandwhich

[junior latch]

with like 5 shooters

(is allowed)

[hasty bobcat]

wait wdym it doesn't

what....

[pseudo sedge]

also fuck u i am at least 180 cause i was allowed on the big boy rollercoaster in my home town

[hoary crescent]

💀

[soft temple]

lmfao

[pseudo sedge]

mf actually thought i would pay for something

[hasty bobcat]

no i meant

fine

ig

[hoary crescent]

wait what am i paying for

this samdown looks pretty cool guys i think it's a good modded rundown

[pseudo sedge]

i thought u tricked sky into thinking i would have paid for 300 subs on that femboy stream, however i now realise he was just talking to the bug hunter

[hoary crescent]

LMAO

not the bug hunter

[junior latch]

I will shoot you (again)

[pseudo sedge]

||do it in the back daddy||

[junior latch]

@ moderators

[hoary crescent]

this is not #general

[pseudo sedge]

not my fault i liked r4c1 ending

[honest parrot]

I mean there's litterally a lobby calling r8c2 something... not very nice

This is rather tame honestly

[pastel dagger]

butterdog been doing it since yesterday

[hoary crescent]

oh

i am not looking forward to his e2 attempts

[honest parrot]

yeah I know

I'm surprised he's that frustrated with it

[mystic moss]

butterboy lobby

[hoary crescent]

his r7e1 took like 2 weeks i think

[pastel dagger]

tbh i tried it recently and its pretty difficult for som reason

i think we took bad guns last time

[mystic moss]

you can burn through ammo quick on that level imo

[hoary crescent]

i forgot c2

cause i've only ever done it once

never touched it again

[honest parrot]

Good

[hasty bobcat]

when e2 clear

[honest parrot]

Pubbing that is painful

Like actually painful

Cause snatcher

[hoary crescent]

i need r5d1 clear

[pastel dagger]

same, we woke everything and somehow completed it still

[honest parrot]

Loves to faq you there

[hasty bobcat]

ew

[hoary crescent]

yeah

[honest parrot]

Honestly the last scans are just hell if people get afraid or just forget to reload

[pastel dagger]

we did r8b4 11th try

[hoary crescent]

im sorry

11?

[pastel dagger]

and then he hopped on to c2

yes

[hoary crescent]

the man btw is a machine

he pubs the same level

from morning to night

[pastel dagger]

yea i was with him at morning

[soft temple]

just a main clear or a full clear of b4?

[pastel dagger]

r8b4

full

[hoary crescent]

no full he only does pe

[soft temple]

damn

it is a hard level with the secondary tbh

[hoary crescent]

it is, i'm just always surprised he's always trying the same level over and over

[mystic moss]

i mean just p*b long enough and eventually you'll clear the game

[hoary crescent]

well yeah

[mystic moss]

third law of gtfo

[hoary crescent]

it's just

i'm shook that's all

[soft temple]

I would probably just take breaks and play other levels but I respect the grind

I'd end up hating the game towards the end of it

[pastel dagger]

why

i mean thats what u do in this game

[mystic moss]

yeah what else are you gonna do

go back and play levels you've already beaten?

[analog flicker]

Every now and then I check the pubs and yeah. They might be there again. Attempting the same level. Again.

[analog flicker]

Imean weren't you spamming r3d1 in pubs a lot awhile back

[mystic moss]

that was voxy

i'm vozy

[analog flicker]

[pine root]

zo!y

is next

[pastel dagger]

yes

just in case next lobby requirement is 100 completions

[drifting mural]

I might of crashed, screen stuck on the drop sequence

[hoary bear]

need two just started the game lmk

[hoary crescent]

voby

[hoary crescent]

santonian hd

[waxen wigeon]

Just finished the tutorial, how do I play with others?

[rose nova]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies, the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you havent be sure to do the tutorial first [on the top left] and start on rundown 1/6 since they are the easiest ones

[rose nova]

oh hey, same thing!

[lost lynx]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[rose nova]

late

skill issue

u kno i dont put the copypaste after u done the lfg maybe u should

considering u just do the .t when i do it

[lost lynx]

:)

[rose nova]

:[

[lost lynx]

It's the .t lfg tradition

[rose nova]

how bout i mexico tradition u [te tiro a una narcofosa]

[shut vapor]

I just sneezed and launched my phone across the bed

Have i unlocked nuclear explosions

[unreal crystal]

Wtf

[faint vortex]

ayo it might be old news but i just heard the game is getting shut down. is that true? if so do we know when?

[mystic moss]

poltergeist ghost event

[lost lynx]

No

Where did You heard that?

The game uses steam and Playfab

It doesnt have servers

So unless one of those dies the game won't die

[junior latch]

it has to be the 1 1/2 year old steam forum thing

some other guy had that fear recently

[lost lynx]

💀

"shutting" down

1 year and a half old post

[faint vortex]

just heard it from a friend, thanks for the help!

[shut vapor]

[junior latch]

punch them

or shoot them ingame

[shut vapor]

Don't punch them :D

[lost lynx]

Teach them how to read

[shut vapor]

Spreading misinfo is a real profession

[faint vortex]

seems that way lol

[shut vapor]

You go through pfps faster than i can go through a 20 piece chicken nugget sharebox at McDonald's gottdamn

[lost lynx]

I change pfp like

Once a month or 2

[shut vapor]

My point still stands

[junior latch]

ive changed my pfp about a year ago
had the other one for about 11 years

[lost lynx]

Well

Maybe its true

[shut vapor]

4 minutes until i can be chained up tighter

[lost lynx]

What the fuck

[shut vapor]

Dom mommy god told me i was having too much fun and had to tighten the chains that bound me

[unreal crystal]

what

You should have left your phone on the other side of your bed man

[shut vapor]

Afking has done numbers on me

Name a more iconic "your son calls me mommy too" character than Lai'tela, Celestial of Dimensions from hit idle game Antimatter Dimensions

[pine root]

Why 4 mins

Are you in a Mr beast challenge

[shut vapor]

Idle game, bound by the laws of time

[unreal crystal]

Don’t be ridiculous jish

The mr beast challenge would last way longer than 4 mins

[shut vapor]

Lasts forever in your mind because of how wholesome a guy he is 🤗

[unreal crystal]

so true

[shut vapor]

Welp, time to wait an hour

What else is there to do other than start another idle game

[rose nova]

complete kingdom rush again

[shut vapor]

Dunno what that is

[rose nova]

funny mobile game

[lost lynx]

Play Raid Shadow Legends

[shut vapor]

I'd rather play genshit

[solid halo]

Scouts are caked up

[rose nova]

hackers has been here

• how do u know?
  all channels light up

[honest parrot]

Did a spam bot pass by?

[noble rose]

gold gold gold

[jaunty pollen]

G T F O

GOOD THE FURRY OH

[naive rover]

Homie's a SLOW eater lol

[grizzled viper]

I read somewhere that hel rifle rarely hits more than 3 enemies due to the bullet hitting multiple limbs (and therefore reducing number of penetrations).

If two strikers are crawling at me, can I hit both if I shoot the head of the front one? Or would the bullet hit striker #1's head, then body and stop?

[pine root]

Yes you can hit both

You need to have 5 pen updates before it breaks

I don’t think Limbs are what causes the update but tru would know more they made a mod to fix it

[grizzled viper]

Oops for second part i meant if I'm using hel revo (2 pen)

[pseudo sedge]

hel revo will always pen yes

so will all other hel weapons, however indeed hel rifle has issues with getting the 6th kill

but triple and quad pen are quite common and easy to do

[pine root]

We aren’t talk about the same thing the bun gets eaten sometimes tgb

[grizzled viper]

I think i saw Ray mention on reddit that something causes the bullet to lose more than 1 pen per target

[pine root]

@gusty burrow enlighten us

With your higher mind

[pseudo sedge]

ok apparently hel gun does also get affected by the bug, I guess I just didnt notice it during gameplay

but it seems to be rng whether an enemy's limb + body eats 2 pens or 1

and sometimes it appears possible that an enemy eats 3 or the limb is not what causes it

[gusty burrow]

Weapon's have a pierce value which determines how many unique enemies they are allowed to hit.

There is also a limit of 5 'hits' before the game stops looking for any further hits during piercing. When you hit an enemy the game advances the bullet 0.1m and continues checking for hits from there. As such, enemies thicker than 0.1m can contribute multiple 'hits' towards the limit of 5. This limit of 5 is completely independent of the weapon's pierce value.

Pierce bug refers to when you fail to get hit the 'advertised' number of enemies (i.e. the weapon's pierce value) with a piercing shot due to reaching the 5 hit limit early.

You almost never get pierce bug on HEL Revo because the first enemy would need to consume all 5 hits for the second enemy to not be hit.

You can get pierce bug semi often on HEL Gun and HEL Rifle when aiming at several enemies in a row. E.g. if there are 4 enemies in a row and each enemy consumes two hits towards the limit of 5 then the fourth enemy will not be hit, despite both weapons having an advertised pierce value of 4+.

Also because of pierce bug HEL Rifle can never hit its advertised pierce of 6 since the first 5 enemies will necessarily consume all 5 of the hit limit.

[gusty burrow]

IIRC the hit limit has nothing to do with limbs (as in the same limb can be hit multiple times) and as such you need not hit multiple different limbs on the same enemy in order for that enemy to consume extra hits towards the hit limit.

Before pierce bug was fully understood I think the prevailing explanation was that you could lose some of your weapon's pierces by hitting different limbs on the same enemy.

[gusty burrow]

Also, if you want to not worry about it at all, there is a mod to fix it!
https://thunderstore.io/c/gtfo/p/tru0067/PierceBugFix/

[elfin hinge]

E aí, algum BR pra jogar? Sou iniciante

[alpine scaffold]

tenta ver no #lfg-latin-america . Ou pega o cargo de "Procurando prisioneiros" no sv brasileiro

[junior latch]

@hasty bobcat

[hasty bobcat]

it is pretty bad u can't complain really

[junior latch]

high cal is a real option wtf

its like the 3rd best choice

for chargers

and the only reason thats the case

is cuz hel rifle and hel gun exist

and they are BONKERS

[hasty bobcat]

exactly

what if charger is more than 20m away tho

:(

[junior latch]

then hel gun doesnt 2 shot either
only hel rifle is good vs chargers then

[hasty bobcat]

hel gun has pen so it doesn't matter too much ngl

u shoot same targer multiple times anw

[junior latch]

2 vs 3 shot is a noticeable differenec

but even then

its HEL GUN

[lost lynx]

Omg gun discussion

My favorite

[hasty bobcat]

yes!!

[junior latch]

@wraith marsh hel rifle me pls

[hasty bobcat]

idk just not a fan of vanilla high cal

[wraith marsh]

@pine root is that even a question

[lost lynx]

High cal is like

Bad

[junior latch]

sawed off is litteraly just a differently balanced shotgun in essence

[hasty bobcat]

reload time tho

and it;s main

so

[junior latch]

no

[wraith marsh]

this was all a part of the plan eva

[lost lynx]

yes

[junior latch]

?

shotgun reload is still quite good
the shot delay is a way bigger difference

[wraith marsh]

have I said in chat before that I think sawed off is better than shotgun

[junior latch]

id agree, but i think the difference isnt that big

[wraith marsh]

ye

[junior latch]

shotgun has some advantages and some downsides

[hasty bobcat]

oh

[wraith marsh]

but like

[hasty bobcat]

u changed

message

[wraith marsh]

if we add a bias

[junior latch]

sawed off being a main just makes it stand out

[wraith marsh]

because its a special vs a main

sawed off is like WAY better

[junior latch]

like using a 150% power main
vs a pretty fair special

[hasty bobcat]

sawed off has more ammo

[junior latch]

no...?

[hasty bobcat]

isn't it like

[junior latch]

unless you mean total

[hasty bobcat]

4/36

total

[junior latch]

but total doesnt matter

[hasty bobcat]

yeah

[junior latch]

refill ammo matters

[wraith marsh]

back to high cal, I like high cal for chargers as host specifically

[junior latch]

if at all

[wraith marsh]

because you can push into them safer

[junior latch]

^

[wraith marsh]

same goes for hel shotgun which I always pair it with

[junior latch]

its slightly snappier than hel rifle

like, if my job is to kill chargers reliably i take hel rifle

but for some speeds high cal is better

[hasty bobcat]

yawn

[junior latch]

saying high cal isnt good into chargers is a questionable take at absolute best

and then not even questioning shotgun

[hasty bobcat]

i didn't say it's bad

i don't like it

[junior latch]

back to this
what do you think would be the takes if sawed off and shotgun were swapped

xD

[wraith marsh]

the reverse

I would actualy be rly happy

[hasty bobcat]

unironically sawed off would be better

but

[wraith marsh]

cuz shotgun is a good quickswap weapon

[hasty bobcat]

there are other guns

[wraith marsh]

I think itd be less extreme tho

[hasty bobcat]

yes

[junior latch]

honestly I think shotgun looks more ridicolus to beginners ngl (if max ammo adjusted)

[wraith marsh]

as a main itd still be rly strong but I think itd be more in line with hel revo and hel shotgun

probably slightly worse than hel shotgun atp

[junior latch]

I think it would still be insanely overtuned above them for most situations but slightly lower yes

[wraith marsh]

sawed off as a special would still probably not be taken over the hel weapons

though itd always get taken over combat shotty

and probably high cal

actually no probably there

so like top of tier 2

[junior latch]

I think sawed off is basically shotgun in special
it has slightly better burst but less boss clear

[wraith marsh]

sawed off in main is op as hell because it doesnt need a niche there

[junior latch]

combat shotgun having 3 times the mag size

[wraith marsh]

it can just kill everything rly fast

[junior latch]

would def keep it high

[wraith marsh]

in special it needs to be good at something

[pine root]

It would be unplayable in special

I think

Ngl

[wraith marsh]

jish

[mystic moss]

hel revo / sawed off would go pretty hard

[wraith marsh]

its combat shotty if itwas a 2 shot insta burst

fast reload specials are also pretty unavailable

[pine root]

why

Not just use shotgun

Regular

Is seems unplayable ngl

[wraith marsh]

cuz its a main now

[pine root]

Wdym

[junior latch]

the theoretical was swapping them

[pine root]

Oh so I would get shotgun / scatter

That seems like fun

[wraith marsh]

though I think sawed off in special is also still better than shotgun in special

[junior latch]

I do not quite agree with it being a for sure pick over combat shotty tho
but they compete more than shotgun and combat shotty ngl

[pine root]

I think you guys are insane

[hasty bobcat]

so true

[pine root]

You too sky

[wraith marsh]

yeah I might just be biased since in current game I dont think you ever take combat shotty when hel shotty exists

and sawed off is stronger than hel shotty

[junior latch]

another interesting swap scenario

[pine root]

Scatter and pdw

[hasty bobcat]

i am

[junior latch]

tbf the average power of a main matters since theres no competition for sawed offs output

[wraith marsh]

yeah but I mean in an unbiased comparison

[unreal crystal]

We did in cell skip duo

[wraith marsh]

I think hel shotgun is better

than combat

like period

no changes made

[pine root]

Hmmmm

[junior latch]

eh

depends

[pine root]

Honestly

[wraith marsh]

so if sawed off would be buffed being moved to special

it just has to be better

[pine root]

If it got an ammo buff

[junior latch]

combat shotgun as a main would be unreal funny ammo econ

[pine root]

For going into special

then ya

Probs

[wraith marsh]

hel shotgun already is crazy ammo econ

[junior latch]

hel shotgun with perfect pen 2 shots
is still only like 2/3rds of perfect 1 tap combat shotgun

[junior latch]

sawed off does already have (well not anymore post shotgun buff) the shotguns ammo econ

into anything but bosses

hel shotgun has similar econ to sawed off, while combat shotgun is highest econ in special

(not regarding pen)

[hasty bobcat]

weapon slander is real!!

[wraith marsh]

let me put it this way

I would rather have hel shotgun against every single enemy in the game besides shooters

[pine root]

Does hel shotty have more damage

[wraith marsh]

no

13.36 vs 15.05

same stagger multi

[pine root]

Well

26.7 vs 15.05

[junior latch]

if you are facing a wall of enemies on your screen then 26.7 ye

[wraith marsh]

ngl

we need a gtfo saying

thats like

"the scariest enemy is not the one in front of you, but the one right behind them"

[junior latch]

the scariest enemy is the fucking shooter thats visibly not even on my screen and aim punching me

[pine root]

The scariest enemy is the leakiest enemy

[sharp owl]

Is there a way to get old halloween cosmetics and camos or those items are forever removed?

[high orchid]

they're gone from drops but you can still get them with mods

[sharp owl]

I know but i will first complete the game before messing with mods that unlock cosmetics.
Hoped for the devs to bring them back in anniversary events and stuff.

[fossil horizon]

Guys we should drop Eva onto alarm with waves of 50+ shooters

[high orchid]

DMR when shooters exist:

[junior latch]

have fun vs 50 shooters (pls give me scatter or hel rifle)