gtfo-chat

[hasty bobcat]

i can't stand 200 ping ngl

can't dodge bosses like I would usually

[analog flicker]

Ifo's 0% Network be like.

And yeah trying to dodge a boss that's like teleporting around is fun

[hasty bobcat]

ye

[analog flicker]

I saw ifo swing at a wall

When the enemy was buggin

[hasty bobcat]

💀

how's forklifting solace

[analog flicker]

I haven't been driving it since this year started

[hasty bobcat]

this is so sad

[analog flicker]

I'm cross trained in Returns so I've been stuck in that area.

[hasty bobcat]

😔

[analog flicker]

It's unfort

I deal with idiots that get upset when I message them or a higher up about their fuck up.

[burnt veldt]

Are u an idiot aswell

Can u speak in idiot language

Can u tell me abt idiot cultures

Me curious

[lost lynx]

[analog flicker]

Right.

[burnt veldt]

Left.

[analog flicker]

Pretty much my job is reliant on others to fix their own issues otherwise I can't send the returned product where it needs to go.

[burnt veldt]

What can u fix

[mellow hedge]

thats not the mindset of a speedrunner

[hasty bobcat]

that is unironically true

[analog flicker]

Not my department to fix those side of issues.

[lost lynx]

Where christmas hat

[junior latch]

you gamble in speedruns
not during speedruns

[burnt veldt]

@analog flicker ok can u answer all these questions please

[hasty bobcat]

too much ppl complaining about it being not christmas

[analog flicker]

I have no obligation to do so

[burnt veldt]

im asking

please

[shut vapor]

No Christmas hats

[mellow hedge]

im using my time effectively to speedrun gambling

[analog flicker]

Multitasking be like

[burnt veldt]

just do my task first

[shut vapor]

If you can tab out during a speedrun you aren't running correctly

[analog flicker]

Logs moment

[shut vapor]

Fuck logs

All the homies prefer set seed

[burnt veldt]

@analog flickercan u tell me a funny joke

[lost lynx]

You

[smoky jolt]

hello

[lost lynx]

Hello

[daring ginkgo]

Is that a thing in gtfo?

[lost lynx]

Yes

Idk how they do it

But it is a thing

[shut vapor]

There's a mod which lets you pick a seed

[hasty bobcat]

think I tab out more than usual during speeds lmao

[lost lynx]

EWWWWWWWWWW

[hasty bobcat]

yeah

[proper iron]

gtfo farming sim

[daring ginkgo]

I suppose time on seeded maps is not legit?

[lost lynx]

Seeded is not legit anywhere

[shut vapor]

Only if everyone uses the same seed

[lost lynx]

[hasty bobcat]

nah never

ppl run random seeds

[shut vapor]

Tbf. Plenty of game communities with custom seeds have seed% categories

[hasty bobcat]

we don't rn

afaik

[shut vapor]

People post their fastest seed and then others can use that seed to try and beat the time or find a faster seed

Good for perfection

[analog flicker]

Seeded r1a1 checkpoint run be like

[daring ginkgo]

Sounds a bit boring on rng games

More fair but boring

[analog flicker]

Imean grinding r1a1 speeds rerolling upwards of 40 times is great

Assuming you even hit the 1% chance for good spawns

[hasty bobcat]

1,27%*

[analog flicker]

Take into consideration with a good key spawn it's lower

[shut vapor]

I think in gtfo competitions *cough cough

Seeded would've been better. Showing technical skill over who has more time for resets

[analog flicker]

You could have 1.27% hsu but shit key spawn

[hasty bobcat]

all my homies hate 50 - 57

[lost lynx]

I need more numbers

[junior latch]

40
lol

well with the current version its true

[lost lynx]

I need to know exactly the numbers Sky

[junior latch]

pre checkpoint that was more like 100+ 💀

[hasty bobcat]

it is the exact number

[junior latch]

the hsu is also a 50/50 btw

[lost lynx]

No

I need more numbers

[hasty bobcat]

far one on 15 is just depressing

[analog flicker]

I was just throwing a random number out but it could be higher or less :P

[analog flicker]

Ye

[analog flicker]

We got that one so many times

[hasty bobcat]

(0)

[analog flicker]

The room would be packed too.

[hasty bobcat]

solace 15 is the room to the right

my bad

[analog flicker]

Idk zones

[hasty bobcat]

to the left

wtf is up with me

[analog flicker]

I'm thinking

The forward room

[hasty bobcat]

15 is the closest one

[hasty bobcat]

17

[shut vapor]

Uhm guyz please keep this talk to #gtfo-speed-running 🤓

[analog flicker]

[hasty bobcat]

🤓

[lost lynx]

🫃

[fringe garden]

the more difficult ones i have recorded and upload with timestamping and a few comments. they're unlisted but i post links in the duo mafia server

[shut vapor]

You should've done breakthrough 2

[fringe garden]

im not proud of my strats for r5d2 though ill be redoing it don't flame me for it

[hasty bobcat]

4 hours is depressing ngl

[analog flicker]

4 dunce run when

[hasty bobcat]

why

[analog flicker]

Fun

[daring ginkgo]

You cleared it solo, nothing else matters 👑

[hasty bobcat]

r5d2 is like perfect giant cap level

they even respawn!!!!

[fringe garden]

my strats are sub 3 but rng just said fuck you

[hasty bobcat]

what

the only rng is like 2 far terms no?

[fringe garden]

i lost like 30 minutes on class 10 kite because i failed to fully pull giants because one room didn't scream

[hasty bobcat]

that's not really

rng

ig

[fringe garden]

not rng maybe but it isn't strat that failed at least

[hasty bobcat]

since when giant cap is a strat...

[fringe garden]

and then i failed to pull charger zone twice which maybe skill issue ig

[daring ginkgo]

Wdym by that? You was too far from aggroing those zone with shooting?

[fringe garden]

first time i opened the door and shot and killed a big charger

like right by the door

but apparently it was all during door opening animation and it didn't wake

[daring ginkgo]

Suffering from success

[fringe garden]

second time i shot into the room and pulled 2 small chargers that could hear

but because scream cd entire room didn't wake

third time i do manage to wake room, but i also get stuck in the fucking mist and was dead 10000x over but somehow made it out alive

each cycle here is a solid 10 minutes or something because of the kiting

[median rivet]

R2e1 hasn’t been done glichless solo right?

[hasty bobcat]

it has why

[median rivet]

Ya I just tried to do it solo with glitches it’s a pain

[fringe garden]

it's been done glitchless without ladderfoam even

but kiting is necessary

[median rivet]

Solo?

Not solo as in with bots, just the player

[fringe garden]

yes

[median rivet]

You sure?

[fringe garden]

tnenpi did it that way

used boosters ig

[modern coral]

R2E1 doesn't have anything going for it to prevent long kiting, and has a ton of things that favor long kiting.

Especially back in OG.

[median rivet]

Huh I’ll have to look into that

[modern coral]

But even now with stamina, people are much more competent, and giant kiting is well understood.

[median rivet]

I did it glitched yesterday, and the hardest part is that first surge

[modern coral]

Hate to break it to you, but glitched is completely free on every level.

[median rivet]

Ya I know it is

[modern coral]

Solo in general is degenerate, tho. I'd either solo w/ bots or true duo.

[fringe garden]

true solo if it's "pure" strat wise is pretty fun

[median rivet]

Really wish I knew that bots were a thing before playing r1 alone c1 was the only one I couldn’t do

[modern coral]

How do you miss bots?

All slots default to players & bots

[median rivet]

Didn’t notice or my friend changed then when they were over and I didn’t notice

[modern coral]

Oh, you might have host migrated

[hasty bobcat]

sus

[modern coral]

which might update your defaults

[hasty bobcat]

nvm bad game

[modern coral]

to whatever the fuck they had

[median rivet]

No clue, now I know they are a thing at least

[shut vapor]

we need a Breakthrough 3

[viral blaze]

ih italian?

[daring ginkgo]

hello

#hc-europe message

or this 🤔 #hc-europe message

[soft swallow]

how fast do the prisoners run?

[graceful geode]

Place a turret at 30 meters and use a cronometer.

[soft swallow]

fair, i was just wondering

i need to confirm if bishop really did get me burger on foot in 20 mins from my dream

he'd have to be as fast as a bicycle or a little bit faster to do that

[honest parrot]

I suppose that depends if stammina is involved

[soft swallow]

ig so, i had stamina, he should have one (probably)

[hasty bobcat]

6m/s

[desert widget]

what's the easiest mission in GTFO?
some people seem to say R1B1, others say R7A1?

[hasty bobcat]

prolly r1b1

[fringe garden]

r1b1 def easier

[hasty bobcat]

ure forced to do only one alarm

and that's like it

[graceful geode]

Assuming you know that you need to only do 1 alarm, R1B1

[pine root]

Assuming you do the doors in the correct order

R1b1

[desert widget]

that makes sense

[graceful geode]

Assuming you dont kinda all A1s are pretty cookie cutter save for R4-5s

[desert widget]

was thinking of writing a guide on truesteamachievements for this

[brittle schooner]

r8 as well

[hasty bobcat]

r8a1 is not bad

[desert widget]

like no guides exist for any of the achievements except for scattered around steam guides that aren't always accurate & I was curious what the easiest mission is to get certain achievements on

[graceful geode]

Does it? I really cant remember R8A1

[hasty bobcat]

it's bad to solo speed

[pine root]

It js almost always

R1b1

For all b tiers

R1d1 for all d tiers

[brittle schooner]

well im mostly thinking of a2 lul, a1 is not that bad

[graceful geode]

R1B1 like Jish said for most achievements

[hasty bobcat]

they literally said all A1s

💀

[pine root]

Idk for the tool

I think r6c1 is easy but

[brittle schooner]

ah i didnt see the 1

[pine root]

It could also be anything

[brittle schooner]

im blind

[hasty bobcat]

ik

[pine root]

The bio achievement I think it is better to do it on

R2b1

guys

[hasty bobcat]

yea

[pine root]

It is just so much faster

[graceful geode]

You mean the "dont use a tool"?

[pine root]

Yeah

[graceful geode]

I think I did mine on R1C2

[pine root]

Probs also not to bad

I think we did our r6c1

Or r2c2

Which r2c2 isn’t a bad level for it

No gun achievement I think is easy

Ngl I wish it was clear a level with no guns or tools

Maybe a level like r3b2

Because that clear is fun with nothing

[desert widget]

oh yea question

are the levels randomly generated

or are they always the same?

[hasty bobcat]

^

[desert widget]

alright good that makes putting up guides 10x easier

[hasty bobcat]

lockers keys cells and shi are randomized

but that's about it

[desert widget]

that makes sense

[royal quartz]

anyone need anothe member

im bored

[pine root]

There is sometimes marker randomization

[junior latch]

R7A1
the other people here fail to consider than for beginners (and probably vets alike) R1B1s stealth zones consist of scouts, giants and or both (1 of them even being a dark zone)

meanwhile R7A1 (or R6A1) have 4 (or 2) giants total. With R7A1 alarms not even spawning giants until you get to the super easy extract alarm. R1B1 is most likely the easiest solo, as alarms are proportionaly harder and stealth proportionally easier (if you dont need to clear) in solos.

[daring ginkgo]

r7a1

[past wave]

Are the terminals that delay the error surge alarm in r8e2 set spawns? Or dynamic

[junior latch]

set

[brittle schooner]

the one in kds deep is dynamic (due to a bug iirc)

but it only has like 2 spots

and room is smoll anyways so ez 2 spot

[past wave]

Thank christ they are set spawns

I can't lie, r8e2 seems really daunting at a glance. My group struggled heavily with r8 b4, c2, and d2... praying I can somehow carry

[honest parrot]

Well good luck with that
...You're probably going to die a lot

[junior latch]

have you and your team beat the entire rest of the game already?
cuz while R8E2 is certainly a challenge its not THAT much above the other E tiers in the end (tho it will certainly take a few tries)

[daring ginkgo]

you mean second error? is it bug, i thought it is intended?

[brittle schooner]

im talkin about r8e2, it also has a kds deep

[daring ginkgo]

oh, lol

[brittle schooner]

im not sure if the r5e1 one is a bug or intended

[daring ginkgo]

nah, not bug for sure

[pine root]

Ngl you got it

Easy

[past wave]

I've personally cleared most of the game, although it has been quite a while since I did the other big boys like r4e1, r2e1, etc.
My friends however, not so much 😬

[mystic moss]

you can do it if mako did it

[past wave]

Haha I know we'll clear it eventually, but I'm not trying to spend 50+ hours on 1 level alone for one clear 😅

[mystic moss]

it's the spirit of the game !!

[past wave]

Yea I'd grind it out over a weekend if I wasn't so busy with work n stuff

I do miss the old days of r4/r5 when I had way more time

[pine root]

You clear it first try

Easy

[past wave]

they are used to not being under strict time constraints in game

And they'll get all the speed stealth practice they'll need soon

[junior latch]

LOL
you can avoid the r8d2 extract error insanely easy (not triggering it at all) without having anyone leave

[spark tree]

man

its so nice when i dont read the wiki and i bring double shotguns to the r8b2 secondary

[lost lynx]

Hey

It could be worse

[spark tree]

how so?

[jagged citrus]

who needs range

[lost lynx]

You are lucky the B2 Kraken isnt a normal kraken

[spark tree]

whats the normal one? 🫦

[lost lynx]

The R6D1 one

[spark tree]

oh fsh

[jagged citrus]

just bring choke mod 😎

[lost lynx]

R8B2 is a nerfed versión

And smaller

[jagged citrus]

r6?

[spark tree]

ill choke on his mod ayo

[lost lynx]

There Dreadnaughty

[jagged citrus]

she choke on my mod till i reload

[lost lynx]

Fixed

What the fuck

[jagged citrus]

thanks daddy

[spark tree]

[junior latch]

also doesnt have the top tumor

[spark tree]

may as well try again while i wait for the pizza

[lost lynx]

This time bring burst/sniper sentry

LOL

[jagged citrus]

bring 12 shotguns

[spark tree]

i wonder if theres enough ammo to kill it with a short rifle

[mellow hedge]

Yes

[jagged citrus]

ammo efficiency is like the only thing you can say short rifle is somewhat good at

[junior latch]

yes

theres enough to kill it with shotguns too (tho that takes a bit of work)

[fringe garden]

i wonder if there's enough mental health to kill it with short rifle

[jagged citrus]

more work than short rifle?

[junior latch]

yes lol

short rifle is just tap tap tap tap tap

[jagged citrus]

short rifle feels like it would be more mentally taxing

[junior latch]

thats cuz its short rifle

now imagine hel shotgun

[jagged citrus]

real

[lost lynx]

Ewwwwwww autos

[jagged citrus]

that would be ass ill give oyu that

at least hel shotty is good at other things

[distant stag]

whos tryna play rn

[wet geyser]

me

[distant stag]

4=2

[wet geyser]

👅

[noble rose]

freaky

[sharp owl]

what

[reef sluice]

Hey question, I did r3c1 a while ago, and now I booted up gtfo again after 6 months and it say I haven't completed it, would that be a technical support thing or something else?

Wait nvm

Fixed it

Had to restart the game as usual

[fringe garden]

there is a bug where sometimes it displays the clear numbers from a different rundown

unsure what the exact conditions are but it's pretty common

[reef sluice]

Huh wierd

[slim marsh]

I haven't played since release basically

[mellow hedge]

usually only happens if you arent host in a lobby and the host changes the rundown

[sharp owl]

gtfo if it didnt have 10 million bugs

[mellow hedge]

where e2 solo

[sharp owl]

I hate you

Im grinding dead space remaster

And hd2

Im waiting for a certain individual to hop on but since hes a stinky American hes always on at like 8 pm

I love gtfo

😎

[shut vapor]

Where drg haz5+ speedrun

[daring ginkgo]

Yes, leave gtfo for later, i suddenly lost my will to find full party for r7e1, so i am slacking

Probably will try on weekends

[graceful geode]

Just do R8's first side in the meanwhile

Especially the first maps that are a chore anyway

[daring ginkgo]

I dont want to start r8 before i clear r7

[graceful geode]

That's one big lead

Was it a good book?

[daring ginkgo]

Idk, i took Rayalot book

[near stag]

Then Play modded

[graceful geode]

I'm 99% sure my experience with modded would be even more filled with people using """mods"""

[daring ginkgo]

Aimbot aka QoL mod

[graceful geode]

There's even more

mods that let you ignore ragdolls on player hits

which is completely unfair

basically as soon as X enemy is dead he gets yeeted out of the game and your hits go to the enemy behind

[daring ginkgo]

Sounds pretty tame, you still take dmg

W8

Not what i thought

I thought you mean removing screen shake, when you get hit

[graceful geode]

No but that too would be borked

There's just so many little things

That IMHO make it unfair

Heroic heart lets you jump and shoot or jump and reload

[daring ginkgo]

Payday 2 experience

Sometimes i dream of reloading while running

[graceful geode]

I keep hearing people say that modded is the real hardcore experience

and I dont doubt that

But bha, let me quote MrMountainMan

Right I cant

he got banned

[daring ginkgo]

[daring ginkgo]

Yeah, after i saw that stream of D4rkeva on end of november or december with most bs error alarm i have no doubts

[near stag]

I Love it when the Parkour custom rundown includes Apex prisoners aswell, so every time you have to do Power jumps i completely Slide Off the Platform

[near stag]

But idk is pubbing modded even real?? 90% of the time you Play modded is with mates trying Out different stuff. I dont know anyone who will Go Out of their way to add more stuff to their Profile beyond the dependencies lmao

[junior latch]

Oh that one was quite tame still ngl

[graceful geode]

Dont know, I never really cared enough

[junior latch]

theres far worse stuff

[graceful geode]

I've heard about the legendary Sam The Bee's rundown

Is he actually a bee that does MMA like the voices said?

[near stag]

Pubbing LoL? Truly a fate worse than death

[junior latch]

sams rundown ive only seen as it doesnt work with my pc

Very nice levels at times, really cool geos

[junior latch]

Huh?

[shut vapor]

Pubbing Modded would be hype if there weren't 500 morbillion mods and like 20 players

[near stag]

So true

[burnt flume]

localia dead body fix

[burnt flume]

heroic heart is disabling stamina

shoot in air is a different mod

[shut vapor]

The name is on the tin too

[burnt flume]

fody55

[shut vapor]

Fody

[daring ginkgo]

Bruh, i dont want to imagine worse ones

But actually i saw video (i think you or Scaler played it) with immortal scout, which must be foamed, and there was big sustain scan in middle of room, all sides of which were heavily foamed and in the end 3 guys have to sacrifice themselfes to use command on 3 different terminals and only 1 guy can escape, it was nuts

[junior latch]

Ah yes F1
Interesting idea, but the execution needing ladder foam is cringe af

[graceful geode]

What was the rundown that was unplayable because whoever tested it had modded boosters on and didnt tell the mod creator?

[daring ginkgo]

Yeah, you need like whole factory of foam

[fringe garden]

can't wait for the modded level that requires constant doorbugging to lock out fixed spawn tank surges

[graceful geode]

I had an idea about a level with a S-1 scan and 4 immortals

Title would be "🪁 bitch"

[junior latch]

Im waiting for the level that you need to go OOB for

[junior latch]

Doable
If you aggro juggle

[fringe garden]

where are the gtfo parkour maps

[graceful geode]

aggro juggle seems like a codeword for depravated sexual acts

🤣

[junior latch]

Ive always wished for there to be rooms that you should parcour (but dont have to)
Its just if you fail parcour you land in an infested part of the room Filled To the brim with sleepers

[sharp owl]

दपतरदबतपडपकबज

[sharp owl]

Safe word is sleeper

[proven garden]

every room is a parkour room when you are at 20%

[sullen finch]

why did he get banned?

[burnt flume]

he was too good at his job

[stark idol]

That’s amazing and all, why is there a “c” in parkour, Eva

Explain this now

[rose nova]

PARCOUR

[stark idol]

Shut up, non-American!

🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[sharp owl]

اهلا

حد جي جيم

[quick cave]

109775242396021986

[hasty bobcat]

r8a1 ruined my sleep schedule

i hate it here

[fringe garden]

now imagine what r8b1 will do to it

[hasty bobcat]

ikr 😔

[junior latch]

bruh what

[hasty bobcat]

I was supposed to sleep like 4 hours ago

but got invited cuz u sniped

meh

[junior latch]

BREH

go bedge

[hasty bobcat]

i am

ty

[graceful geode]

Sleep

[hasty bobcat]

@hasty bobcat 🙏

[graceful geode]

You have things to ask about sleep to Sleepo?

Ask.

[desert widget]

haven't gotten that far into the game yet so i'm really unsure if R7A1 would be the easiest or not.
I went ahead and wrote a okayish guide for R1B1 tho when doing this achievement.

https://truesteamachievements.com/viewcomment.aspx?commentid=33186

lemme know what anyone here thinks about it

[modern coral]

R1B1 is the easiest B-tier, but level in general no.

[desert widget]

yea I was asking for easiest level lol

[modern coral]

It's close-ish at least, you could call it the "hardest easiest level"

[desert widget]

so what's the easiest

[modern coral]

R7A1

R6A1 is probably also easier than R1B1, but it's closer

[desert widget]

noticed no one talks about R1A1 why is that 🤔

[brittle schooner]

mostly the class 4 alarm

[desert widget]

R1B1 just has a single class 2 alarm that you have to do, rest of the mission is tons of giants you have to either navigate yourself around, or kill them by going loud

[brittle schooner]

that alone is harder than pretty much anythin r7a1/r6a1/r1b1 has 2 offer, and its mandatory

[desert widget]

it has more then 1 class 2 alarm but you don't have to do them

3 total i think

[modern coral]

R1A1 is a notoriously difficult level for where it's placed

[junior latch]

and 2 scouts

[desert widget]

R1B1 has 2 scouts also pretty sure lol

[junior latch]

yup
but they 1. cant spawn together and 2. arent required

and well, r1a1 having the class 4 alarm

r1b1 is probably the easiest solo, but not the easiest with a team

as said above thats r7a1

it just doesnt rly pose many threats

[desert widget]

i absolutely wouldn't do R1B1 solo tho, it's way to difficult of a mission. I just put together a guide for it from looking stuff up online & having played through it myself before.

this is how I wrote this guide down for it

tons of giants

i didn't realize how many giants that mission actually has until now

[junior latch]

R1B1 solo is easy as a solo because of how its build

[desert widget]

like 20+ giants easy

[junior latch]

theres a reason people recommend it over r1a1 solo (and specifically for the B-tier achievement)

[brittle schooner]

speaking of actually can one spawn in A?

[junior latch]

the smartest path for solo (with good rng) is 43 (mandatory) + 39/40/41
you encounter 2 scouts, but you simply shoot them (or melee if confident). The rest of the level you can sneak

[junior latch]

in r1a1?

[brittle schooner]

ya

[junior latch]

I dont think its blocked, but the modifer of A probably stops it?

similar to B

[brittle schooner]

likely the case, dont think ive seen them spawn in A ever so i was curious

[junior latch]

one thing for the guide
mine deployer
if you take foam without it, its kinda just a waste

[desert widget]

well look at the guide I wrote and tell me what to change / improve
https://truesteamachievements.com/a2649879/work-together-achievement

[junior latch]

doing the class 2 alarm AFTER going into zone 41 also makes it so they spawn behind a big door (and further away) makign the class 2 considerably easier

[desert widget]

oh wait i forgot to change that lol

[desert widget]

i assume the strategy was to just have them all stay at spawn?

[junior latch]

so easiest path is likely
41 (and 42 so you dont waste time)
do alarm to 43 (they will only spawn from north now) mining and foaming the big door in advance

then you can either choose to do the alarm to 44 (easy to foam or shoot) or go into 39 (shoot here aswell, but care of the few giants)
If you are not lucky youll probably wanna do both

[junior latch]

hm?

[desert widget]

that's how i remember doing it

[desert widget]

on the guide

[junior latch]

them spawning at spawn is if you do the alarm before opening the northern door
its usually just done cuz people dont rly care

but its definetly easier to do the class 2 alarm after having fully explored the northern area

[desert widget]

yea I said to do the alarm door 1st

[junior latch]

the difference in diffiuclty is marginal tbf
you could also run 2 sentries + mines + bio tracker

and then place both sentries down facing the ladder (at the bottom) doing the alarm first

1 important thing @desert widget
you only need to enter a max of 5 zones (im not counting the starting zone)
each zone can have between 0 and 3 ids (18 total over the 7 zones that can have them). So 5 is the max youll have to go into, 4 if lucky

[rose nova]

this is confusing talk cuz my brain wants to think its about the solo achivement but its not

[junior latch]

zone 38 never has IDs

[shut vapor]

I hope you go fishing and catch a big fish

[junior latch]

Fully written out thoughts:
For loadout:
You can either recommend;

• bio tracker + mines + 2 burst sentry
  This is for when you recommend doing the alarm first. Placing 2 sentries at the bottom facing the ladder
• bio tracker + mines + cfoam + burst sentry
  This is if you search north (Zone 41 and 42) first

I typed it above, but IDs spawns can vary between 0 and 3 per zone. But at most you would need to visit 5 Zones. 4 being the minimum
Since zone 43 is mandatory, that leaves you with 41/42 and 39 if you only need 4.
I would honestly only recommend going into 40 (massive amounts of giants) if the team has a giant killing weapon (such as scattergun).
The alarm to zone 44 (in zone 43) can probably more easily be foamed/mined and shot than the hordes of giants

but thats all i have to say, the rest seems good

[rose nova]

thank u :3 i hope u catch ur refrigerator

[shut vapor]

oh shit is it running?

[rose nova]

it be

[shut vapor]

fuck brb

i lost it

[rose nova]

:[

[shut vapor]

but at least I won from gambling 😎

so all is good

[graceful geode]

No offense

Really, no offense

But doing R1B1 without bots isn't hard at all

And you should be able to do that before writing a guide

As constructive criticism, if you want to do a guide of how to do the controlled response achievement (1 man no bots, pistols only, B tier) you CAN do R1B1, North twice, take your time, HEL Rev/MP (I did autopistol but whatever) and HCP, burst sentry, East once, then stealth the way to West's IDs

Good RNG and you dont need a 5th zone

There's enough ammo to pull rooms if you really fuck up, I even tried waking basically all rooms I did and it somewhat worked first try

Doing North first makes it so that the wave ALWAYS spawns on North when doing the first East alarm

IF you dont find mines around (dont think you can? Can't remember) just leave doors open

Sentry+open door and enemies coming trickling is better than enemies bursting and coming all at once.

[pine root]

Wrong tools

as well tbh. You don’t really use foam for anything

It seems like you just haven’t cleared many gtfo levels

By the way you write about it

The giants spawn can vary but it is consistent if you add up big shooters and giants. if you are worry about giant stealth which for a no death run I think I would recommend new players to not stealth giants

This kinda reminds me of deadlys r4c3 guide

Also you say r2a1 in your opening sentence and talk about r1b1

And you call the bio tracker a bioscan

Which honestly kinda feels like

[shut vapor]

thats just being pedantic

[pine root]

I mean

licker we are making a guide

And the first 2 paragraphs mistakes

Like the guide isn’t doing anything right

[gusty burrow]

"Enter the bioscan sequence". Ah, I know what the bioscan is!

[pine root]

Like this is a guide for the achievement to not go down

Then we tell them to go to r2a1 then we describe r1b1

[honest parrot]

What are your thoughts on the guide?

[shut vapor]

My guide would be "Don't go down"

[pine root]

Tbh

Isn’t there a bug with this achievement

And you needing to restart your game

Or something

[shut vapor]

i don't remember this

[pine root]

Doesn’t this achievement require 4 players in the lobby

To properly get

[gusty burrow]

I have not read it

[pine root]

I think it does

[shut vapor]

you do need a full squad ye

[pine root]

So this guide recommends 4 players for the level when it should be the achievement requires 4 players

[lost lynx]

Yeah
If You already died a run before the game will think you died in the current run

So You need to restart the game

[pine root]

^^ so we are missing

The most important details

Of actually

Getting the achievement

[lost lynx]

I think it's because it says in the chat that you went down???? And it stays even if you go the menu rundown

Idk the details doesnt matter

Restarting the game should fix it

[pine root]

It is probs a flag that triggers

That never untriggers

[lost lynx]

Yeah

[pine root]

We can also talk about structure here and how most gtfo guides are set up to tell you what res in the zone plus notable enemies in order with headers on each zone

[burnt flume]

it was already discussed but i very much enjoy the placement of r1b1 as easier than other missions

like idk maybe r1a1 with 4 sentries is safer

[mellow hedge]

4 cfoam

[pine root]

Honestly I don’t mind r1b1 being the level they suggest

[fringe garden]

they'd run out of tool halfway through the class 4 and get downed to the 2 shooter than survived

[pine root]

Mainly because you don’t need to interact with awake enemies

[junior latch]

its moreso r7a1

r1a1 is a good chunk ahead of that

[burnt flume]

ya, ya

[pine root]

But like if we are talking about super safe stealth

Why aren’t we being lock melters into the giant zone

[burnt flume]

if everyone knows what they're doing, even if inexperienced my instinct is it shouldn't be too hard to do an a1 level (probably not r4 or 5 because long)

[junior latch]

i mean its gonna be easy as hell to do mostly any A level deathless

its an achievement that just happens

if you play

but not one for beginners

[pine root]

Yeah but we are approaching it like a new player

If this guide is for anyone

[pine root]

Tbh it isn’t

I think if you play r1 and r2 in order

It will happen on r3

By accident

[honest parrot]

By virtue of R2 actually forcing you to play better?

[junior latch]

honestly its already quite likely to happen on r2a1

[pine root]

It is an achievement that honestly will just happen once you play well

You will play well enough given some level of time

R1d1 should be enough to make sure anyone could clear an a tier without dying if they really tried

[stark idol]

R8E2 knife only, no death, no door bug, no secondary skin, fighting the full third room in reactor while stepping into scan

[pine root]

You didn’t rule out stuck jump unfortunately

This will be easy

[mellow hedge]

ngl stuck jump is such a goofy ass name

[pine root]

sucks to suck

[mellow hedge]

i do suck

[junior latch]

jish is just stuck on it

[pine root]

Stuck jump

I named it

[honest parrot]

wuts that

[junior latch]

freeze bug is simply a better name (window freeze as a whole)

[shut vapor]

Stuck jump? 💀

[pine root]

Stuck jump

[junior latch]

jish is trying to be quirky

its not door bug
its melee hit bug

[shut vapor]

As if you aren't with your goofy aah solo r8e2 oob run

[junior latch]

oh i never said im not an idiot

also the oob is just fun to me

[mellow hedge]

wonky legs bug*

[shut vapor]

[pine root]

The original way we did the bug

[junior latch]

im a big fan of magazine bug

[pine root]

Was Spam an input and jumping let people know it was active and not active

[junior latch]

yea but jish. You have an easier way to do it. And it freezes the game

its unironically just easier to understand

[pine root]

Idc about your naming shceme I was the only person that cares about it when MM posted it to do anything

stuck jump

[junior latch]

if you cant see that then you are either stupid or trying to be quirky

and I know you are not stupid

when mm posted it to do anything?
what does that even mean

[mellow hedge]

MM og speed tech user

[pine root]

Yeah actually idk guys I think stuck jump is a fun name and you guys freeze bug isn’t amazing ngl

[junior latch]

thats a cope

you are just biased because you associate the name with someone

who youve litteraly named yourself after for months now

[pine root]

LOL

LOL

LOL

I definitely talk to MM daily we read each other bed time stories and sleep together and hold hands

[junior latch]

have... fun with that?

[mellow hedge]

without me? 🥺

[junior latch]

thats great?

[pine root]

Beep definitely watches

[junior latch]

damn discord rules dont let me type

shame

voy eur or the mean thing?

[pine root]

Idk

And my discord name

Gives it all

Away

MM definitely loves it called stuck jump and knows what I am talking about

[junior latch]

no shit

[burnt flume]

stuck jump ❤️

[pale sphinx]

@mental drift I wish you all the luck in finishing R2E1

It is a hoe of a floor

[stark idol]

As much as I hate R2E1, it never occurred to me to call it the “hoe” of the rundown

I bow down to you sir, you’re obviously the greater R2E1 hater

[analog flicker]

Pub r2e1 runs. Are interesting to a degree.

[naive rover]

Going to he doing R5B2 Prisoner Efficiency tonight with my team. This will be attempt 3. Almost made it through last time. Just had 4/5 hormones in Overload but fired while someone opened a door, alerting a feeler during constant wave and waking feeler room. Got cornered and attacked from two sides while our pinger went down and couldn’t see enemies until they had surrounded us.

Was pretty uncool but we should have it this time easy.

[stark idol]

Same level as Liberator pog!?!?

R5B1 took much longer than it should’ve because we didn’t see the terminal in area A of 223 and spent 30 minutes looking for cells

[pine root]

You gotta learn

Q2ing

It makes that level more enjoyable

[fringe garden]

where inb r5b1 does q2ing even help

[pine root]

To find cells

[fringe garden]

ig if you roll hsu 97

oh

[pine root]

Without pinging

[fringe garden]

ok yes it can be kinda ass but you have to pass by the terminal to get to the blood doors anyways

[pine root]

First clear you don’t know where term is always

[fringe garden]

fair

[pine root]

And I find it faster than pinging

[high orchid]

you don't even really need to q2 in r5b1 you get term basically right away in that level iirc

[fringe garden]

in secondary it's in the middle of the zone basically

like 3 rooms deep

[high orchid]

after you're loaded up on resources from the reactor

[fringe garden]

correct

man still need to solo r5b1
the class 4 alarm to get bhk has killed all my attempts so far lmao

big charger error ez class 4 alarm death

[pine root]

You don’t need to q2 any level

But a binary check on every room if there is a heavy carry

Is crazy

and you should be using it while blinding levels

[fringe garden]

doesn't it stop working once you have collected and are carrying a cell already

at least if you place it on the ground

[pine root]

Only if you place it or your holding you have 4 people

[fringe garden]

*you're

[naive rover]

Prisoner Efficiency on that level took us almost 3 hours. Ended up going through every single zone cause we got so lost and were scared people would spawn in areas we already went so we just kept moving through.

[naive rover]

What is q2ing?

[mellow hedge]

like commands

if you hold q and 2 and a prompt shows up to pick up an objective item then there is a carryable in that room

[naive rover]

Pinging cells seemed pointless in Secondary Zone. There’s only one Turbine so you can’t split up so pinging and trying to remember the approximate location through a wall on the other end of the universe while sticking together and sneaking rooms sounds maddening.

[mellow hedge]

thats why you q2

[naive rover]

Ohhhhhhhh

[mellow hedge]

it has to be in the room you are in if you get the prompt

[naive rover]

That’s actually crazy. Never thought of that.

Stupidly simple logic

[mellow hedge]

haha yeah

[naive rover]

Flew straight over my head

[mellow hedge]

very useful in speeds as well

[honest parrot]

Most pubs don't know about that to be fair

So you aren't that far behind everyone else

[naive rover]

I’m not even close to good enough to speed run anything in this game. I can’t even solo past the Class II alarm for zone 256/257 in R3A1.

Makes me want to kill myself irl

[mellow hedge]

just gotta keep improving

and WANTING to get better

by learning new things and improving your skills

you wont ever get better if you dont put in the effort or dont want to

[naive rover]

Yeah just have to play the game different I guess. Have to kite and use meta guns and stuff.

[honest parrot]

I mean by meta what are you going to use?

[proper iron]

kiting is unnecessary when team is good that why i cant do it cuz my team already cleared the game when i trying to lol

[naive rover]

Hel Rifle/sawed off prolly?

[honest parrot]

That works

If you can get used to it

[naive rover]

I mean, my team doesn’t kite. We play the game normal. Still working on first time clears.

[proper iron]

practice reload cancel make the game much easier

if firepower is problem

[mellow hedge]

speedrunning has different meta

weapon choices vary greatly per level

[proper iron]

i love play normal with 2 scatter 1 sniper and 2 hel shotty

oh 2 c-foam aswell

[pine root]

Sometimes we take a not scatter

But 4 sawd off

Kinda feels good

[mellow hedge]

go away e tier runner

although sawed off is pretty sexy

[proper iron]

4 sawed-off is still practical in normal play

[honest parrot]

Although it does rely on everyone knowing what the hell they're doing
...So not quite pubs, but four normal friends that play together

[mystic moss]

nah

you can give anyone sawed off and they'll probably pop off

[proper iron]

if not count the waste of ammo when shoot the same target i think sawed-off is so easy to use and dont need to reload cancel i still have faith in pubs(cuz sometime i play like that)

[pine root]

It has a bad choke

[mystic moss]

how am i suppose to interpret this

[unreal crystal]

it’s got a bad choke

what’s not clicking

[pine root]

You know

[honest parrot]

Bad spread?

[pine root]

Like the choke of the shotgun

[pine root]

Yeah if your gonna say it like a weirdo

[honest parrot]

I mean that's how it's described in drg
cause there it's an actual deal

[naive rover]

There’s shotgun chokes in DRG?

[soft swallow]

i would like to know as well

[naive rover]

I need Full Cylinder Choke so I can shoot slugs without my gun blowing up 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[honest parrot]

Spread decrease

Essentially it's something to do with one shot ranges for engi shotgun for grunts which is actually important

[honest parrot]

Shotgun in general just sucks with slugs

[analog flicker]

Just use 9mm. It'll blow the lungs out of the body

[honest parrot]

Does the electric smg even shoot 9mm

[analog flicker]

idk

I need to get that

csgo oc for it though

[naive rover]

It’s pretty good dude.

[naive rover]

Also I did finish clipping both of my team's attempts for R4A2 Foster yesterday. I should start making videos and uploading tomorrow or this weekend, starting with our winning run.

[latent palm]

Clownace

[wind needle]

fellas, i bought the game a whileeee back when i got hooked on it and played until r4 - r5, i only got to play with my buddies during a free weekend cause i didnt get them to buy the game cause they werent running it properly, but now one of my friends got more ram and is about to get a new gpu and i was wondering if there is a way for me to play the game with him while sharing through steam family, im almost sure my buddy has to buy the game for us to play but does anyone know if there is a work around for me to share him the game and also play on my steam acc at the same time¿?

[shut vapor]

@graceful geode you probably know

[hasty bobcat]

you can't play the same game at the same time

afaik

[junior latch]

i dont think you can play through family share while someones is using that steam account for gamin

[wind needle]

yeah, i was almost certain of it, had to ask to check, ty

[daring ginkgo]

Imagine if that would be a thing, game on 1 account shared across dozens of people 😂

[graceful geode]

Not only you cant, if you're sharing. There's also games that dont like Steam sharing at all IIRC.

[shut vapor]

[graceful geode]

If you want to call someone out just do it

Because this message feels bizarre otherwise

"Be wary of bad people." Thanks.

[pulsar sigil]

Any 1 here good at modding

[lost lynx]

#hc-modded

[pulsar sigil]

I'm banned from modding server

[hoary crescent]

What did Robert do

[stark idol]

Robert was a convicted war criminal on the run, who sought refuge in Argentina, for his crimes during WWII

[hoary crescent]

I'm sorry

[stark idol]

Emphasis on was: Robert is no more

[naive rover]

WE NEED TO KNOW

[lost lynx]

Hey my grandparent did the same

[noble rose]

cuh modded too much

[hoary crescent]

When's the next video liberator

I need my fix

[noble rose]

free cuh

[stark idol]

Your grandparent was a German electrician too? No way

[naive rover]

I think this weekend I’ll start posting? Unfortunately I like playing video games more than making videos about them.

[hoary crescent]

[lost lynx]

He was a gas operator or something idk

[hoary crescent]

I wouldn't mind you posting unedited clears

It's fun to see you guys play

But I understand you want a polished product

[lost lynx]

||my lawer said i should not continue the joke||

[naive rover]

I played R5B2 Discharge last night with my team and we completed prisoner efficiency finally.

[stark idol]

Damn, that’s pretty cool, I’m sure his work was honorable and did not lead to the deaths of innocent minorities

[hoary crescent]

I agree with your lawyer

[naive rover]

Super stressful level.

[stark idol]

Heh, discharge

[daring ginkgo]

r5 has a lot of it

[hoary crescent]

That level is definetly something

[daring ginkgo]

r5b3, r5c2, r5d2 (!!!), r5e1

[stark idol]

D2 doesn’t have a prisoner efficiency?

[junior latch]

?

[stark idol]

C2 is the last prisoner efficiency

[daring ginkgo]

stressful lvls

[stark idol]

Or was that C1

[junior latch]

ah

eh r5b3 is mostly chill

[unreal crystal]

mmm it’s pretty ammo tight

[junior latch]

yea

[daring ginkgo]

also r5c3, cause sec

[junior latch]

but i wouldnt call that stressful for that

[naive rover]

Tonight I’m starting a run of Armored Core VI co-op to make multi cam (split screen videos) with another group. Because I NEED to use up more hard drive space for free.

@hoary crescent

[junior latch]

the error in r5b3 is like 2 min 40

[hoary crescent]

which one is b3 again

cargo room scan?

[daring ginkgo]

big room with sustain scan with 3 tanks, hybrids, bbc on sec

[unreal crystal]

it’s fog diving for a key with the added stress of chargers every so often

And secondary is probs more stressful

[hoary crescent]

i'd call that pretty stressful for casual play

[unreal crystal]

You saw how this went in streamathon surely

[junior latch]

i feel like secondary is a big explosion of like 30 seconds of combat

and then waiting for 2 minutes

[hoary crescent]

yeah secondary is very eh

but the error can definetly be something for first timers

[junior latch]

and the turbine diving is kinda weird

the more careful you play, the more stressful it is. If you play somewhat aggro you usually wont even get 4 error spawns

it being nearly 3 minutes between waves is just funny
if you get a back spawn a hel rifle clears it in 2-3 shots 💀 (frontspawns when playing slow can be funky tho)

[daring ginkgo]

this lvl have 8-10 chargers every min or 1:30 iirc until you put cargo in machine or something like that?

[junior latch]

2 min 40 or so

its a massive downtime

and its like 6

[naive rover]

Wut?

[daring ginkgo]

pretty sure it is 8 at least

[naive rover]

We’re so so not ready for that.

[junior latch]

6 according to scalers guide

thats also what i remember

[unreal crystal]

It’s definitely 6

[daring ginkgo]

not at same time, dw

[daring ginkgo]

just wanted to check it xd

[hoary crescent]

i remember it being a small number

[daring ginkgo]

well, waves have huge time between, so it is easy

is it biggest downtime from all lvls ( not counting boss errors (r4e1, r7d1 )

usually it is like 30-60 sec

[junior latch]

r4a2ovl with the 15 sec spawns

[fresh heron]

I don't think I've ever had the r7d1 wave ever work properly.

[daring ginkgo]

i agree, it is supposed to be every 4 mins, but sometimes i heard spawn scream, then no snatcher for like 1-2 mins

[hasty bobcat]

i don't think

[fresh heron]

Any run I've had of it, they stop spawning at some point and you'll hear the scream like they spawn, they just never come

[daring ginkgo]

maybe you took too long? they stop spawning after 18th snatcher

[junior latch]

if you checkpoint that happens
also happens when you play for too long

[daring ginkgo]

or if you load from checkpoint

[fresh heron]

could have been a combo of both taking too long and being on too long

[daring ginkgo]

checkpoint breaking errors sucks

[fresh heron]

checkpoint tends to break anything it can

[daring ginkgo]

idk how many there are on r8, but r6 have r6c3 ( if you doing ov ), and r7 have r7d1 ( ov )

checkpoint breaking error

[fresh heron]

r8 has a few checkpoints that can be buggy at times but there aren't really any big error alarms in r8 outside E1, B3 secondary or B4 extract

mainly seen issues with the B4 one delaying or preventing spawns

[junior latch]

r8c1 breaks smth
r8b4 broke due to checkpointing in generally (got fixed)

[hasty bobcat]

wa wa wa I don't wanna hear it

[fresh heron]

easy solution, don't wipe

[daring ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

i spend 2h reseting r7c3, i think it was my record 😂

i hate this lvl so much

[graceful geode]

The only issue of R5B3 is just that chargers can spawn inside

Which makes it hectic and a pain in the ass

Otherwise like all "rush to key/hsu/whatever to stop error" it's just a matter of knowing the layout beforehand or just where the terminals are

After the error turns off, that map is just boring IMHO

Secondary's shtick is just the s-class and if you dont die in the first 15 seconds your chances of survival skyrocket.

I'll say that I like it more than R5B2 tbh

I feel that R5B2's secondary should be like R4B2's, a zone with 2 rooms and the error is the main point of the whole sector

[junior latch]

r5b2 couldve been rly rly good if the secondary was a short but tough objective

[pulsar sigil]

I was convicted by the jury for " guilty by association " with Lord Justin Maynard

[fresh heron]

r5b2 overload is just not fun

[mystic moss]

idk I'd rather fog dive than do 2 terminal uplinks

[fresh heron]

fair enough but fog diving with alarms and an error is just annoying

it might be less annoying than I remember but that's one of the last few levels I need to get a second clear on

[mystic moss]

would rather play r5b2 over r5b3

[fresh heron]

both are in the 16 levels left. Saving the best/worst for last

[daring ginkgo]

why you need second clears?

[fresh heron]

just would like to have at least 2 clears on everything

mainly just out of achievements to get and just going for self set goals

[mystic moss]

nice try wesley

you're not fooling anyone with this alt

[graceful geode]

Are you actually a bee?

And is it true that you're an MMA expert bee?

Should I beelieve such information?

[silver spade]

🦐 🦐 🦐 🦐 🦐 🦐

[graceful geode]

Would it bee wise?

[silver spade]

to do what

[graceful geode]

To believe

Believing sets expectations up, Sam

And expectations are a large sea, far too dangerous...

As such, perhaps, not believing is the best course of action.

Or maybe I'm just rambling.

[silver spade]

I'll believe if you manage to run Samdown on your PC

Unlucky D4RK Eva, get PC gapped

[graceful geode]

I was under the impression Darkeva has a beefy setup because streaming.

[silver spade]

Nah bro he got a potato

[tall hawk]

unforch no trespass for eva

[unreal crystal]

no F tier...

[tall hawk]

is this F tier in the room with us now?

[unreal crystal]

no

im pretty sure it doesnt exist

and i just went on some insane acid trip for 2 weeks

[fresh heron]

maybe the real F teir was the friends we made along the way

[tall hawk]

never eat anything a stranger gives you

[unreal crystal]

i was hungry

[hoary crescent]

i have shrooms come

🍄

[tall hawk]

what kind?

[junior latch]

Its a 10 1/2 year old pc
the only updated thing is my gpu which is a 3070

[junior latch]

[hoary crescent]

whats optimal pathing for r7c1

like which zone is smallest

[pine root]

I think it is up one

And the other set you go down two

[hoary crescent]

ok so i leave cell

on the right side door

[junior latch]

like for speeds?
for solo?

fastest is def 14 (north), 17 and 18 (east)

cuz 15 is huge

but you can also go 17-19

[hoary crescent]

oh no just easiest way to do it

[hoary crescent]

yaeh thats what we did

[junior latch]

oh yea thats def the easiest since you can have cells pre plugged

and avoid the packed last zone

[hoary crescent]

what about room scan

how to duo

just git good?

[junior latch]

shoot

[hoary crescent]

we died on extraction at 98 :(

[pine root]

There is 3 snatchers

once you kill them it is just normal waves

You can set up the doors north if you really want

[hoary crescent]

yeah room scan was super easy thought it was harder

just cause when pubbing this level feels so hard sometimes

[shut vapor]

@junior latch unfortunately no bueno on tongue scarf

[junior latch]

F

[shut vapor]

it's friday tomorrow :D

[shut vapor]

not yet

[lost lynx]

GTFO carrot?

[shut vapor]

i wanna play Redemption

[desert widget]

nah

[desert widget]

seems fine to me, and the guide is for less experienced players / noob friendly. It's not meant for experienced high level players that can solo every mission if they wanted to.

[desert widget]

R1, R2, R3, and soon to be R4 is fully completed. R4 I'm all the way to R4C1 so far (in order).

[desert widget]

thought I fixed that already was just a small mistake

[modern coral]

I don't think you've understood the meat of the criticism. You don't have to be a new player to give advice to new players, and experienced players are even more likely to have the game knowledge to know what will make levels smoothest for someone picking up the game.

[desert widget]

I already mentioned that you needed 4 real players? I wasn't 100% certain if the achievement worked with less then 4.
"This achievement I believe requires 4 real players, unsure if you can do it with bots."

no one ever answered that so it's been left as is.

[desert widget]

this I didn't know about huh, adding that now

[modern coral]

The guide itself is also just not very good by the looks of it. The tool choice is just bad for R1B1, and important technical achievement info is completely missing.

[burnt flume]

mhm it seemed very sparse on detail and not all too compelling

[trim sail]

☕

[honest parrot]

Not right now, no

[burnt flume]

i was surprised also to see the question if levels get randomised given you've spent a not-inconsiderable amount of time playing the game

[desert widget]

added as much detail as possible so not sure what to expect, if you feel like more things could be added feel free to make your own guide. Finding guides for a lot of GTFO achievements in general seem relatively sparse

& you aren't gonna exist forever for people asking questions on how to do x

[honest parrot]

Well for most missions I'd say that's technically true

But not really for R1B1
...And there's like so many different ways pubs and even experienced people do it

[desert widget]

doesn't really matter tbh

[honest parrot]

Yep

[desert widget]

only that a guide exist lol

so i made one

[honest parrot]

Good
Will you keep working on it?

Since the achievements all got added late 2023, most people didn't quite care to make guides for the game anymore

[honest parrot]

Is going into giant zone on R1B1 even safe for beginners?

[pine root]

You really didn’t

How many scouts are in the level total

How many ammo used are in the first zone is that ammo required?( answer one use you probs can skip it)

You have the wrong level

In the opening

[modern coral]

There are guides that deal with various ways to improve at the game. You've kind of just made a guide for the sake of making a guide, for an achievement that nobody really needed guidance for.

[plush gate]

is it 2?

[pine root]

I am pretty sure

[rose nova]

it be 2

[pine root]

Best route only has you encountering two

[honest parrot]

North door has one, then the class 2 alarm door has one

I think

[pine root]

Both are north

[honest parrot]

Oh ok mb

[pine root]

One is in the far north zone one is in the close north zone

[honest parrot]

Most of the time the strat is to just gamble for IDs in North and Class 2 sides and avoid giant zone

[pine root]

But like we got the level wrong for the easiest method through it

[honest parrot]

Is giant zone even beginner safe?

[pine root]

Tbh I won’t go two zones deep for giant

If you want to clear without dying

Seems like a stupid idea

[mystic moss]

just do the extra class iii

[pine root]

^

[honest parrot]

He did suggest loud clearing giant side essentially

[pine root]

Yeah but where should you hold if your doing that

What weapons

Should I be saving health for that part

should I be rushing that because it is risky

or is it free

how many giants will I be fighting

We aren’t like producing content like a content farm like we can spend time actually writing and thinking

we aren’t journalist

[honest parrot]

So essentially, including loadout suggestions and general strategy suggestions on gameplay parts might help?

Just so he could probably improve the guide

[pine root]

Have you read the guide

Read the first paragraph describing the mission

It would be crazy

If the very first strategy in the guide has a factual error

like we have now correctly identified the right level and said definitively that we need four players. But the very next bit of information becomes wrong

[honest parrot]

The bug or the free door?

[pine root]

If you open the north door

How many spawn locations does the class 2 have

[honest parrot]

Only from the north door

Making the class 2 easier

[pine root]

Yes one

[honest parrot]

Bcs of spawn rules

[pine root]

It would be crazy if they got that part wrong

In a guide

[honest parrot]

@desert widget Would that be enough to describe generally what people would be looking for on GTFO guides?
Especially level guides

[desert widget]

I've updated the guide using the advice you pointed out here btw. I also updated it to where it's a lot easier to read & understand now to for a lot of users. Should be a decent improvement over how it looked before.
https://truesteamachievements.com/a2649879/work-together-achievement

[honest parrot]

Sorry wrong part give me a sec

You could clear Zone's 41 & 42 1st, C-Foam & Mine the singular door in Zone 41A, then activate the Class II Alarm. This will split the enemy spawn points to 2 different locations, which some players say is easier. Place the Burst Turret facing the ladder pointing at the Spawn Point, as enemies will try to go down it slowly. You should c-foam this ladder too.

Yeah it's this part

@desert widget The game will always try to spawn something two rooms away from you

So what happens is if you open the free door zone, they will ALWAYS spawn from the free door zone

They don't get split

[fringe garden]

man sorry to say this but regardless of the information it contains the language usage gives me a headache reading
wording and grammar is just off

[desert widget]

they don't spawn in the spawn area?

[pine root]

no

they only psawn there

when there isnt another zone