gtfo-chat

[pine root]

Canceling in wave

[tribal tendon]

Clarrify

[hasty bobcat]

literally

[pine root]

Is not better/ worse than canceling after the only reason you do it is for speed run

[hasty bobcat]

enter code 1 before 2 minutes

and red scan stays

[pine root]

The red circles go away if you don’t plug them in before 2 mins

[hasty bobcat]

jish taught me i spread knowledge

[tribal tendon]

2 minutes from the 5 minutes given to enter the code?

[pine root]

Ye

[hasty bobcat]

yea

[tribal tendon]

That might be tough to do with bots only

[hasty bobcat]

mine tank

[tribal tendon]

Tried but Hackett refuses to place mines high enough

[hasty bobcat]

u could carry mines ig

and suffer on first class 6

[tribal tendon]

Never

I am always on c-foam

[hasty bobcat]

advice

defend wave 1

in reactor

[tribal tendon]

I can show the replay in Bishop VC

[junior latch]

it cant for reactor terms as far as we know

[lost lynx]

#hc-europe message

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[shut vapor]

You are gringus

[sharp owl]

a crinkle*

[vale ledge]

Howdy

[lost lynx]

hello

[sharp owl]

Yello

[real monolith]

Jello

[sonic dock]

Would someone help me learn this game?

[vestal kernel]

I'd give the #lfg-beginners channel a look, host a lobby by posting a message there and joining a vc and someone will be along to help ya out soon I'm sure.

[strong heart]

anyone knows how to play duo trial on c2 f1?

[hasty bobcat]

😳

[trim sail]

days passing by...

where is rundown 9...

[hasty bobcat]

tomorrow

dead lfg

[trim sail]

why are you geh ?

[hasty bobcat]

who says am geh

[bleak stag]

can somebody give me link for other meele weapon mods?

[shut vapor]

Check the modding server #hc-modded

[bleak stag]

thx

[sharp owl]

My cat is pissing me off so much i almost flipped him off

[shut vapor]

Flip the cat instead

And then pet him

[sharp owl]

He finally stopped
Meowinh

[rose nova]

cat :3

<3

[low shell]

grumpt

[pale bone]

when you get a pet cat and it meows:

[sharp owl]

Why so cat

[pale bone]

cat

[low shell]

[pale bone]

cute

[low shell]

[pale bone]

[low shell]

[real monolith]

December 32nd

I woudl know Im making it rn as we speak

[shut vapor]

marking my calendar

[pale bone]

I'm making every month 32 days except for February which gets 14 days

[silk parrot]

Haven't played GTFO in a while. I used to play it with a group but they stopped gaming together and haven't played since. Only made it to R2D2 ✌️😔

[pale bone]

sick skull mask dawg

[edgy mountain]

Yo

[silk parrot]

idk if that's sarcasm so I'll take it

[real monolith]

No it acc looks pretty sick

[pale bone]

i think it looks cool

[silk parrot]

aah thank you :)

[shut vapor]

no way its Egg 2

the revival

[silk parrot]

?

[rose nova]

u can always do some gtfo alone with bots teehee

not d2 but maybe rundown 3

[silk parrot]

I could also chew glass if I really wanted. Does not make it a good idea or very fun, y'know?

[shut vapor]

Go do R2E1

[rose nova]

:[

bot slander continues

terrible times

[shut vapor]

bots are shit

[rose nova]

bots r fine shush

[silk parrot]

apologies comrade, but personally I play GTFO cause I enjoy communicatin with the fellas (and lady-fellas). I play it cause it's a multiplayer game, bots kinda takes the fun away for me

[rose nova]

it's oki i get it i'm joking ksks

playing with friends it's the better way

[shut vapor]

its the same with mute players

[rose nova]

:c

[pale bone]

real

[silk parrot]

if I can't bully the mine deployer, what's the point even playing

[analog flicker]

[sharp owl]

Its me

[noble rose]

uh i have a question

im kinda new to the lfg thing, but can i just click on one of the invites in the lfg channels ?

my bad if this is a goofy q

[rose nova]

yes if u see the invite ur free to join
just dont join random vcs

if u dont see an invite

[noble rose]

ohhh ok

bet thank you

👍

[hushed burrow]

cant use a terminal?

holding e wont work

no prompt for terminal

[lost lynx]

Terminal is probably glitched

[hushed burrow]

is there a way to fix it

[lost lynx]

Either have everyone get close to the terminal and see if someone gets the prompt

[hushed burrow]

without restarting

[lost lynx]

And if that doesnt work
Restart

If someone was at the terminal before it got glitched

Kick him from the game

Those are your 3 options

[hushed burrow]

thats tough

[lost lynx]

The person that left can rejoin btw

[hushed burrow]

it didnt work so i just ended the run

[pale bone]

terminal bug 😔

[lost lynx]

Sadly GTFO has a lot of weird bugs

This won't be your last time You experience something like this

:b

[verbal furnace]

I know everyone says hel guns are good

But holy fuck man

R4d1

Had about 10-15 chargers

Everyone else was down

1 turret

Hel shotgun solod those bitches

[serene jewel]

hel shotgun 💪

[pale bone]

hel shotgun my love <3333

[sharp owl]

I need to gtfo

But since my birthday is soon

I dont want to ruin it

[near stag]

Then GTFI

[chilly egret]

some germans here wanna play?

[pastel dagger]

Visit gtfo Germany server it's fairly active

[brittle schooner]

#hc-europe message

a

fixed

[desert frigate]

been a while since i was in the loop, what's the current tierlist for the weapons?

[brittle schooner]

if u want a tldr for strongest weapons, hel gun hel rifle best wave clear, scatter best boss killer (and also very gud waveclear if u know how 2 use it), sawed of and hel shotgun are best mains

[burnt flume]

rayalot72 reddit post

[brittle schooner]

u can watch eva's video if u want a full tier list (his yt is in his bio, just look up his name here d4rkeva) or the reddit post mentioned above

[verbal trout]

Best weapon is the melee

Has infinite uses

[brittle schooner]

:D

[burnt flume]

basically
best mains are sawed off, hel shotgun, hel revo (probably in that order of objective strength)
best specials are scatter, hel rifle, hel gun, burst cannon (burst cannon is a bit odd with being stuck between the extreme boss kill of scatter and extreme wave clear of HEL wepaons)

[verbal trout]

That momeny when you shoot the burst cannon into a wave and the first striker you kill takes all the subsequent bullets as well

[mellow hedge]

eva tier list is a bit outdated as well as some weapons being underrated or overrated

its not that bad tho

[pale bone]

common burst cannon L

[brittle schooner]

thats more or less adjusted in comments no?

[pale bone]

wait what rank is the bulpup rifle

[junior latch]

Yep

[junior latch]

lowest tier of the main weapons

[pale bone]

for why :(

[proper iron]

worst than burst pistol?

[junior latch]

Regarding the tier list

The only one that i will still not agree with is veruta being bottom of the bottom. For most general play its a solid choice if you arent on the higher skill tier yet (if you are its lower third tho)

[junior latch]

id say yes
but both are bad

AR being worst

[junior latch]

Awful reload
Is a full auto (multitude of issues seen below)
Low dmg
Hard to actually be effective with

[pale bone]

reload ain't that bad

[junior latch]

2.3 sec

[pale bone]

I feel like that's a played up con

[junior latch]

you are reloading more than twice as long as hel revo when cancelled

and nearly twice as long as all other good mains that arent hel shotgun

[steady lava]

whats the silliest weapon i can get really good at using that wouldnt be throwing to run

[junior latch]

reload 2 times and you are bot doing anything

[pale bone]

yeah hel shotgun and bulpup are my main 2 primary weapons so ig I don't know anything abt fast reload

[junior latch]

Technically no weapon is a real throw as every level CAN be beaten with any loadout (just gets rly fuckin hard)

But meme tier that have decent ceiling are slug shotgun and short rifle

[junior latch]

Gotta think of it like this

Even without pen hel shotgun does about 3x the dmg of bullpup per mag

and it reload is as close to bullpups as bullpups is to carbine

[pale bone]

for dmg output the hel shotgun is a lot better but bulpup feels really good for me at a medium distance for a main weapon

[junior latch]

what are you comparing it to?

AR?

[pale bone]

nah ar sounds too basic

bulpup has a mag behind the trigger B)

AND it's yellow

+cool sight points

[junior latch]

bullpup usually sounds and feels fun to newer players for a reason

But its pretty bad

[pale bone]

what abt the heavy smg?

tried that one like twice and it sounds and looks cool

[lost lynx]

Heavy AR?

It's mid

[junior latch]

Heavy smg

how did you read heavy ar from that

[pale bone]

typo 😔

[lost lynx]

I forgot Heavy SMG existed alright

LOL

Same thing

It's mid

[junior latch]

better than bullpup
Still bad (since full auto)

The only full autos that are good are hel auto pistol and hel shotgun (tho thats rly just a shotgun) for mains

[pale bone]

so why are the auto guns so bad?

[lost lynx]

Really low damage overall

[pale bone]

is it just their dmg?

oh

[lost lynx]

Long reloads

Low magazine size

You don't get much value out of them

[junior latch]

their value is generally a lot lower than the good to great guns

way harder to play for basically no gain if at all any

[pale bone]

rip to all the cool sounding guns 😔

[lost lynx]

Also shit stagger

[pale bone]

ima still run the bulpup sometimes tho bc it cool

can't be stopped

[junior latch]

See AR (worst main)

it takes 2+5 (hs and bs) to kill a striker

the semi autos range from 1+1 to 1+2

AR even at 2+1 only becomes a good to great weapon
To accomplish this you give it a dmg buff of over 50%

[fringe garden]

the full autos don't have dps comparable to the semis

they just deal less damage

[junior latch]

Eh

thats overplayed

dps of machine pp is insane while dmr dps is bad

[pale bone]

ough I just looked at the total dmg stats for the AR and hel shotgun and ur right it's not comparable

750 vs 1300

[junior latch]

well thats the nr 2 main vs the worst tbf

plus sawed off and hel shotgun have overtuned dmg anyhow

[fossil horizon]

Potential dps of grenade launcher is insane but it wasn't added to main game sadly

[junior latch]

…

🚪 👈

[pale bone]

no more random balance patches 😔

[fossil horizon]

Stop bullying me "not a sentry gun"

I will unite with other sentries and sabotage everything in complex

[pale bone]

but 1300 is pretty crazy for a gun that can pen

even if it's a shotgun

[fringe garden]

i wasn't aware machine pistol dps was like 50 mb (i genuinely didn't know)

[junior latch]

tbf shotguns (actual ones) only have 1 subpar weapon

which is choke mod

(Slug rly isnt a shotgun ngl)

[pale bone]

I don't like slug

[fringe garden]

calling slug a shotgun is like calling high cal a shotgun

[junior latch]

Generally dps isnt that important for the game

its much more the burst

Which is why the auto dps isnt actually good, its holding down the trigger. Which you rarely wanna do

Semi auto burst by spamming quickly and then go back to a precise dmg mode

[unreal crystal]

I was gonna say who gives a shit about dps

What is this

[junior latch]

^

[unreal crystal]

An mmo?

[fossil horizon]

With it stats does it goes to pistol category?

[junior latch]

no its a moba

[unreal crystal]

if you aren’t at least 300dps you’re out of my lobby.

[fossil horizon]

Yes

[junior latch]

Its unironicaly a bad semi

[fringe garden]

comparing the max dps stats of a gun is clearly the max burst dps though?

ok tbh semis have infinite dps if you shoot 1 shot

[junior latch]

that would mean burst is dps

[junior latch]

all guns do :^ )

[fringe garden]

not guns with chargeup

[fossil horizon]

Guys defend top line pls, there's 5 guys here

[junior latch]

top line…

[fossil horizon]

Yeah triggering right?

[fringe garden]

you're very rarely playing guns at their max fire rate so taking dps atmax firerate over one mag as burst dps makes perfect sense to me

[pale bone]

nah if you let go of the trigger ur a wuss

all my homies mag dump

[fossil horizon]

I was also triggered by that form and remembered it

[unreal crystal]

guys why is there an enemy player sometimes coming up into my lane and killing me

I can’t win a 1v2

[junior latch]

skill issue

shouldve picked a better loadout

[junior latch]

The dps is mid magazine…

[unreal crystal]

league fucking sucks anyways once they got rid of mathematically correct sett I stopped playing

not fun if I can’t one shot lux

[junior latch]

that was the funniest shit

i still play 4fun if its with multiple friends but mostly spent time coaching the the last few years

[fringe garden]

atp i think im just social skill issueing too hard to get my point across ill come back some day and try to clarify when im not eating i think

[junior latch]

guten appetit then!

[burnt hedge]

GTFO oynayan varsa 4. ye ihtiyacımız var gelmek isteyen özelden yazabilir.

[upbeat crow]

@muted owl

[lost lynx]

#hc-europe message

i think thats turkish

[robust dawn]

heavy shotgun

[lost lynx]

light shotgun

[burnt hedge]

ty

[hasty bobcat]

sheavy hotgun

[lost lynx]

heavy shotfun

[sharp owl]

shortgun

[pine root]

Just

Fucking

Farm
Under tower

Play weak side don’t die

[unreal crystal]

jish

it was a joke

ive spent many a game under tower

[vast zinc]

sounds like short rifle is the best

[pine root]

No your the issue with the world

While I am 1v9ing in mid you are throwing the lead away every chance you get

[verbal trout]

@brittle schooner @hasty bobcat @low shell wanna hit lockout revival?

[low shell]

i wish, am very sick rn

[verbal trout]

oof

hope you get well soon then

[brittle schooner]

maybe anotha time, for now im just messin with vanilla

[cedar bone]

Plink

[sharp owl]

Plink

[young moss]

Plink

[real monolith]

Plink

[sharp owl]

Gtfo discord is going insane

[cedar bone]

Plink

Astralplink

[thorn monolith]

You're saving our pfps in your folder?

[pine root]

he is

the creep

[thorn monolith]

Keep it up, you can keep on not playing forever. I swear I believe in you.

[junior latch]

? Why are you going through ancient messages lol

To answer:
i did so for the gtfo endgame video

[hasty bobcat]

what is this really

[thorn monolith]

I have nothing better to do. I was also looking for anyone who would be asking if they should play league so I can tell them to RUN

[pine root]

Eva I want to change my pfp can you go back in time and fix the end game video

thanks

[mellow hedge]

idk how you guys change pfp's

i feel like mine is apart of me

like its coming inside me

[thorn monolith]

I keep changing mine because I can't find a perfect one

Discord's low pixelation or blurriness doesn't help with that.

[burnt flume]

oops i changed my pfp again since the shitpost

[low shell]

i find an image and be like "this looks good as a pfp" then i have to go through the whole "but i like my pfp" and "i already changed my pfp 15 times today"

[burnt flume]

continuity ruined

[worthy flicker]

Changes with mood tbh

[burnt flume]

changes with personality

[low shell]

sometimes this kind of feeling comes when i find something to buy, i just find something and be like "i want it"

[shut vapor]

Changes when new striker drops

[wraith marsh]

I like keeping my online identity consistent

[ocean birch]

forgive me father for I have sinned

[mystic moss]

I'm not the same person I was 2 pfps ago

[hasty bobcat]

i am

[shut vapor]

Chat do I finish my shift early. I'm bored

[low shell]

for me finding a cool pfp is part of my indentity as a dingus user

at least i dont change username, i dont like doing that

[mellow hedge]

ur just another wolf in the pack

while im a lone alpha 😈

[low shell]

the wolves hunt

[shut vapor]

I should change my name to Wramp. Only reals ones would get it

[low shell]

hunting for sleep time

[shut vapor]

[pine root]

Sure

And I am a purple dinosaur that speaks Arabic

[shut vapor]

When are you getting over mm and bee

[hasty bobcat]

are u NA jish?

[pine root]

Yeah

[hasty bobcat]

o ight]

didn't know

[pine root]

I chat at werid hours when I am playing gtfo or on bus

[low shell]

isnt this just arabic dub purple ( forgot the dinosaur's name from the kids show )

[hasty bobcat]

ye i noticed pmuch

[mellow hedge]

buss

[low shell]

( cha cha not smooth )

[hasty bobcat]

he's bussy

[shut vapor]

Barney?

[low shell]

i think so

ty

[shut vapor]

[low shell]

[junior root]

Icker

[shut vapor]

45 minutes to go until i can hop on Greggy

[lost lynx]

@shut vapor

Hello Quadangalo

[junior root]

Family guy reference

[shut vapor]

Welcome

[junior root]

Orng

[low shell]

look am also orange!

[junior root]

Thats a brick

smh

BRIGHT orange

[low shell]

imagine being called a brick

[low shell]

dont judge the lighting

[junior root]

Dam 🚰

[low shell]

potable water

[junior root]

Prota q

[junior latch]

No you are now stuck

[thorn monolith]

Oh, no. NO YOU DIDN'T!

My prayers go to you my friend.

For every time you felt like shit

[junior root]

-# gtfo bad

[low shell]

:D_:

[sharp owl]

So real

[zinc elbow]

@earnest forge

[lost lynx]

have*

[earnest forge]

if only they would care

[zinc elbow]

idk, do you ban them?

LMAO

[fluid lance]

what rundown/missions do casual players mostly fall off on?

me and my group of hooligans aren't the sweatiest shooters ever, but we've been enjoying the gameplay a ton and love the challenge that comes with it

[wraith marsh]

r1c1

[fluid lance]

I've just heard shit abt people taking hours to do runs on the later rundown

[fluid lance]

We just got past that one today actually

though i suppose youre right

[wraith marsh]

new players straight up cant clear it a lot of the time and just quit

[pine root]

Next wall is r2c2 r2d1 or r2d2

[fluid lance]

since ive seen a lot of troubleshooting posts trying to get past r1c1

[fluid lance]

i see

[pine root]

Your safe for now

[fluid lance]

will it just continuously get exponentially harder as we enter into the next rundown or

[pine root]

Na

r3 is piss easy

[fluid lance]

cause i dont want every mission to be like

super stress inducing

[pine root]

r4 and r5 beast

[fluid lance]

R1C1 took us 4-5 attempts

[wraith marsh]

every rundown has a and b tiers

[fluid lance]

and it was stressful as hell for a bit

[fluid lance]

the easier ones?

[wraith marsh]

ye

[fluid lance]

i see

i mostly just want to have us play long enough to see some of the cooler shit

id say we are good enough to weather a challenge, but too casual to play for 6 hours straight lmao

[wraith marsh]

might wanna just skip over to r6 if you dont think youll make it through the whole game

[high orchid]

^

[wraith marsh]

game is long, r6-8 are the cool ones

[fluid lance]

ah I see

[wraith marsh]

and r6 is still on the easier side

good intros for most mechanics

[fluid lance]

I'm not too worried about us getting burnt out before that, but if it comes to it, ill have us shoot into R6 to see some cool shit

[gusty burrow]

The beginner pipeline of:

R1A1 -> good intro, clutch past all the fun hard parts, spend 20 minutes looking for the HSU
R1B1 -> just more of the same exact loop, most anticlimactic ending
R1B2 -> more of the literal exact same + spend ages in the level because keys don't make sense + shooters are a really fun enemy to fight
R1C1 -> quit

Is surely a really good on-ramp to the game

[fluid lance]

well me and my friends went from thinking R1A1 was challenging to just now beating R1C1

but yeah, game seems really promising

its been something ive been eyeing for a long time, just never had a team to run with

[pine root]

REMEBER suggesting a r1c1 nerf was to much

[gusty burrow]

It is really good, but R1 is pretty basic, mostly tedium, R2 has quite a few good ones but gets weighted down in the Bs, R3 has a few gems and short and sweet, R4 and R5 mostly too long and boring with a tiny number of good levels

And finally get to R6 and it is 50% bangers, R7 is like 2/3rds bangers

[fluid lance]

we played a few R2 missions and had a bit of fun so far

while we mustered up the willpower to attempt R1C1 a 4th time

[gusty burrow]

6 waves...

[gusty burrow]

R1C1 asks the players to do something very different compared to everything else that comes before

Like, it's good to keep trying to get past it because R1C2 and R1D1 are pretty good and are good intros to some stuff

[modern coral]

Tbh, I don't think it's a bad idea to take R1C1 as the graduating tutorial.

[gusty burrow]

R3A3 definitely a better intro to reactors though

[gusty burrow]

There's not a single 'cool moment' in any level before and including R1C1

Expecting players to slog through probably 10 hours without a single cool moment just to graduate is a lot

[modern coral]

I mean more you could play R2 up to B4, R3 up to A3, and R6 up to B2, and R1C1 would probably be harder.

[gusty burrow]

R6C1 is easier right

(And has a ton of cool moments)

[modern coral]

Idk about that, but tbh it wouldn't be a bad alternative.

[gusty burrow]

Checkpoints pretty good

[modern coral]

true

[gusty burrow]

Idk, I still have a ton of moments I remember from first time playing R6 and R7 as a newbie

And I don't think you get those same memories playing... R1C1

[modern coral]

If we had to break levels into very broad difficulty tiers

How many tiers should we use?

[gusty burrow]

5

Gottem

[modern coral]

OMG

Hear me out.

Hardest in first tier is R1C1 and R6C1

Second tier goes up to R2D2 and R3D1 probably?

But then what?

Obviously hardest tier includes E-tiers and a lot of R8 levels.

R2E1 as the easiest, even?

[gusty burrow]

The tiers are:
Gamers who came from animal crossing (aspirational) can clear
Gamers who came from horde shooters can clear
Gamers must have GTFO experience to clear

[modern coral]

Gamers must have GTFO experience to clear
We break this into "R4 players can clear" and "R7 players can clear"

[gusty burrow]

Savage

I like it

[modern coral]

What is easiest level in the game, btw?

R1B1 or R7A1 or other?

[fluid lance]

the memories I got from r1c1 were

despair, despair, rage, triumph

in the order of first to last run

[wraith marsh]

its gotta be r7a1

its like

impossible to fuck it up

r1b1 at least has the chance

[modern coral]

R1B1 you gotto at least do dark scout stealth, or giant stealth, or a class III

Yeah, R1B1 is barely harder

[bleak stag]

how hard is the solo trial?

going in the blind bois wish me luck!

[daring ginkgo]

r7a1 is piss easy

and short and have chekpoints lol

[high orchid]

as in the zaero rundown?

[bleak stag]

no just solo trial name on it

oh wait ya

thats the one

anything awaits me on that modded?

[low shell]

best of luck, lone prisoner

[high orchid]

you should be fine until C tier if you have decent mechanics

[pallid anvil]

Custom enemies

[low shell]

its the kind of rundown with 15 enemy types mixed up but they are all effectivelythe same

and ocassionally a unique new enemy

[daring ginkgo]

different skins?

[low shell]

kinda

fatal experiment 2 is trulu like that

but solo trials has slightly tougher variants of same enemies

[daring ginkgo]

i saw some hinoki video with white chargers

[proper iron]

me when some hybird explode on me in fe2

[low shell]

chaos when anything in fe2

[daring ginkgo]

or sphagetti monsters xd

[low shell]

spaghetti monsters are silly

[proper iron]

floating big shooter head

[daring ginkgo]

what is their mechanics? i saw he just run past them and they stood static

[high orchid]

bleed and grapple

[daring ginkgo]

but when he did reactor some of them tried to attack him

[high orchid]

they also don't respond to movement

[bleak stag]

died on first map ahahaaha

[low shell]

i mean, its okay to die in solo

ya live and learn

[bleak stag]

this gonna take a while

[bleak stag]

i cant beat the first level what a skill issue haahaha

[fossil horizon]

Try harder

[bleak stag]

i did but the bigs hit delay are annoying for me Xb

[fossil horizon]

Kill better so they have only death instead of delays

[hasty bobcat]

bring double shotty

and stsgger giants if they're about to lick u

gg u won

oh u meant solo trials

first level is unironically easier then any vanilla level

since u have infinite stam better regen and whatever

u get like 20 million consumables too iirc

[bleak stag]

tbh im good at the game but for somereason i got worse probabaly i relay to my team more Xb

[hasty bobcat]

erm

[junior latch]

„Im good at the game“

[hasty bobcat]

yeah

[fossil horizon]

Shoot better run better think better and you can beat everything

[bleak stag]

maybe

[junior latch]

tbh its rly hard to judge that by yourself usually

But we also have no real context to say otherwise

[hasty bobcat]

eva am i good 🥺

[junior latch]

[bleak stag]

[junior latch]

sky>sniper sentry

[fossil horizon]

Fucking hell

[hasty bobcat]

that's already better

[fossil horizon]

That was a stab Eva

[junior latch]

sky carried me on 20 fov r7d2

[hasty bobcat]

/////

[junior latch]

but from what ive seen you are good so

[bleak stag]

am i cute shooter

[hasty bobcat]

yay

[junior latch]

we hate shooters here

[hasty bobcat]

omg

[bleak stag]

[hasty bobcat]

i keep solo holding and the getting aim punched

[gusty burrow]

It is very humbling when you realise Burst Rifle has better stats than Burst Sentry and start comparing your contribution on Burst Rifle compared to a Burst Sentry

[hasty bobcat]

so annoying rragghhhh

[bleak stag]

any recommend weapons on solo trials?

[fossil horizon]

Just don't hold

[hasty bobcat]

i need to shoot better 😔

[junior latch]

#gtfo-media message
@hasty bobcat @bleak stag

[fossil horizon]

Weapons you are comfortable with

[fossil horizon]

Use c-foam

[hasty bobcat]

MY HONEST REACTION

[hasty bobcat]

erm rw

ew

[junior latch]

Now the true check is

does someone outvalue shotgun sentry with sawed off

[bleak stag]

really hate shooters ha eva hahaha

[low shell]

the best part is how the shooter is being gently hugged

[fossil horizon]

I can damage walls pretty consistent with sawed-off

[hasty bobcat]

same

[fossil horizon]

But can we outdamage shotgun sentry walls damage

[hasty bobcat]

never

it's too good

[fossil horizon]

It needs calculations, and we need damageable walls for it

[bleak stag]

me dont like shotgun i like precision shots even i got bad aim Xb

[hasty bobcat]

go play glaggleland

:3

[gusty burrow]

We call when you just spam sawed off down a line 'shotgun sentrying'

[junior latch]

you shoot 4 bullets cuz that one striker might not have died after the first shot

[fossil horizon]

2nd for real fps drops on everyone except last joined

[junior latch]

Then the reload symbolizes the sentry not targetting for 2 seconds cuz it doesnt see the shooter in its face

[bleak stag]

shotgun sentry is still the worst sentry? or it got buff?

[junior latch]

the worst

by a good margin

Hel auto sentry at least has a funny niche

[fossil horizon]

Depends in what

For teamkilling shotgun sentry is pretty good

[junior latch]

id still say sniper is better at that

more range to nearly insta down

[fossil horizon]

I didn't say that it's best, it's pretty good

[junior latch]

shotgun you know you fucked up when you stand in front

Sniper you get to reevaluate your choices on the floor

[fossil horizon]

when it turns 180 to shoot striker

[hasty bobcat]

you are the striker*

[bleak stag]

and shot you

[fossil horizon]

I am equal to sniper sentry by Eva rating*

[low shell]

well its a sentry, sentries are strong by default

[bleak stag]

im equal to burst sentry barely miss and barely hit enemy and not missing hittin teamate

[fossil horizon]

Ethereal shotgun pretty nice

[low shell]

burst sentry is absurdly good at stalling

[bleak stag]

i like it but not a shotgun main

[low shell]

like a burst sentry in a tight hallway legit delays the waves and at worst leaves low hp headless single enemies to hammer or finish off

[junior latch]

Eh

id argue sniper sentry is more efficient

you win in a landslide when it comes to random bullshit go tho

[brittle schooner]

my nightmare

i get aim punched

i miss

i panik

then i miss again cause i paniked

[hasty bobcat]

i shall do the forbidden today prolly

[brittle schooner]

whats that

[hasty bobcat]

obs

[fossil horizon]

I adapted to random bullshit

[brittle schooner]

nahone

[analog flicker]

I've only seen burst rifle once in a blue moon being used by newbies

[hasty bobcat]

unironically it's not that bad

[analog flicker]

It really isn't

I ran burst rifle/revo awhile back

[honest parrot]

As long as you hit crits it performs decent enough

Though that set up might struggle against killing bigs

[lost lynx]

Omg hi chat hello chat hi chat

[honest parrot]

hey pablo

[modern coral]

Run sawed-off

problem solved

[analog flicker]

The comparison is more. Ppl actually hitting at all like a burst sentry

[modern coral]

Just perfect burst transfer every time

[lost lynx]

Thats because burst rifle is really fucking mid

[analog flicker]

Even funnier when you realize burst sentry is just a burst rifle with a dmr upper on it

[modern coral]

Better than every auto

[lost lynx]

Indeed

[analog flicker]

Still more interesting than using the meta picks :P

[lost lynx]

Use AR

[analog flicker]

I remember when ppl thought AR should've/ was going to get buffed

But it never did

[lost lynx]

Good

[analog flicker]

The 30 rd drum mag is still silly

[modern coral]

I still wish 2+2 AR were allowed to exist in vanilla.

It's actually so fun.

[junior latch]

imagine if some weapons actually got buffed

i definetly didnt say anything of the like before r8

[lost lynx]

I wish my AR had pen, 40 mag and 10dmg

[modern coral]

Revo meta 😍

GIVE ME 15 DMG

[analog flicker]

Lemme 2 tap chargers

[lost lynx]

i want to 1 tap BBCs with AR

[alpine scaffold]

@modern coral is it same thing of r7b2, isn't?

I mean

r7b2 i think its predefined

(first alarm)

[modern coral]

It is not predefined.

It's just very likely to get 3 room distance spawns.

compared to almost anywhere else

[alpine scaffold]

what would be the check for this to happen?

maybe distance between the scan room and the 3rd room?

[modern coral]

I don't know specifics, but there is weighting and a heavy bias towards specific directions.

And depending on how those pan out, three room distance spawns can become possible or likely.

[alpine scaffold]

maybe testing with scouts could help

oh

scout spawned with cconsole still scream waves?

i know it cant roam or something

[modern coral]

It'd make more sense to start a wave, and then stand in different rooms

You can pull any alarm, and I think cconsole has a command for starting a wave

[proper iron]

scout not scream wave

and cconsole can start wave

[lime moth]

Hi lads, decided to try the game again after playing the first two missions with friends for a few hours 8 month back.
I'm alone this time, so I tried to try the matchmaking system.
well, that only was hard as everytime I managed to find a lobby, everyone was leaving for some reasons, and it took like 30 mins to get in a game.
and then the game was basically a shooter? I felt like I was the only noob there. Had no idea what to do, but everyone was running around shooting everything so I just kinda followed.
I have no idea what happened during the whole match.
My question being: if the playerbase is composed mostly of people who already know where to go and how to rush things, how am I supposed to Git Gud?
I liked playing it with friends because of the slow progression, and the game being oppressiv and somewhat scary.
I'm not to the point where I can just play shooting up everything that moves yet

[modern coral]

You should use Discord to specify the experience you want, and to queue for specific levels.

#lfg-beginners

[hasty bobcat]

do not use matchmaking

it's just bad

[lime moth]

thanks, I'll look into it. I'll try and see if there is some french speaking discords as well. I'm used to playing with english speaking people only, but I feel like it'll be easier to figure out how to communicate important infos at first

[fossil horizon]

Wdym, it's not that bad

[lime moth]

@sky damn, that's quite honest lmao

[proper iron]

mathmaking will get the player who either so good and can carry or so noob and there's no inbetween

[hasty bobcat]

it is pretty ass

for newbies it's ass at least

i met simon in matchmaking the other day

was funny

[fossil horizon]

Just try to use filters! I find so good parties in it!

[hasty bobcat]

they do not work

[proper iron]

what's simon current discord in this server?

[hasty bobcat]

no one knows

i don't think he's here rn ngl

[proper iron]

i suspect everyone who spam r4e1

[hasty bobcat]

fr

[fossil horizon]

They do work actually, I only once was blamed in there for not carrying! Other times Chinese people disconnected or some guy screamed and lobby died, or I once got a guy with 5k hours but lobby died

[hasty bobcat]

that's

literally peak matchmake experience

[lost lynx]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[hasty bobcat]

ure late pable

[lost lynx]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[lost lynx]

get lfge´d

[hasty bobcat]

whyy

[fossil horizon]

.t bucket

[foggy plank]

||This is my bucket. There are many like it, but this one is mine.||
||My bucket is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.||
||My bucket, without me, is useless. Without my bucket, I am useless. I must use my bucket true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will …||
||My bucket and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit….||
||My bucket is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my bucket clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will ….||
||Before God, I swear this creed. My bucket and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.||
||So be it, until victory and there is no enemy, but peace!!||

||https://i.imgur.com/LX0YKiG.png||

[fossil horizon]

Get bucketed

[lost lynx]

u noob

you need to solo e2

[hasty bobcat]

i'm not chaos

[lost lynx]

with slug shitgun and sniper

[hasty bobcat]

funny enough i cleared e2 with slug and sniper

[fossil horizon]

Because chaos is R7E1

[hasty bobcat]

rd-e2

[hasty bobcat]

fr

[lost lynx]

wtf is that

[proper iron]

@wicked solstice

[fossil horizon]

I love that no one crashed from your party

[hasty bobcat]

i cannot believe that ngl

[wicked solstice]

Hai

[hasty bobcat]

yo

[lost lynx]

omg hi hello hi :3

[proper iron]

best dev

[fossil horizon]

Dak were crashing every lobby of my team

[rose nova]

pat the dak

[hasty bobcat]

dak we pulled every room in e2

[proper iron]

everyone know this map

[hasty bobcat]

and we cleared

[lost lynx]

if only his rundowns didnt crash my computer

[hasty bobcat]

he died nvm

[fossil horizon]

But you didn't use all commands

[hasty bobcat]

i have no idea what they do even ngl

still very funny to see ppl just get 4 terminal commands and be like

eh

[fossil horizon]

Should have used them to see and do cell skip

[tough yew]

Even on a sale GTFO is still expensive

[hasty bobcat]

ikr

[fossil horizon]

Migrate to cheaper country

[rose nova]

200 pesos for 800 hours, worth

[hasty bobcat]

the strat is real

[tough yew]

400 php for me

[tough yew]

wouldnt that get your account exploded by steam

lol

[hasty bobcat]

if u move no

if u use vpn or some shi might be

idk how it really works

[fossil horizon]

Nope

[proper iron]

vpn not work anymore

if it work i'll have mgrr :sadge:

[fossil horizon]

You just need to really migrate within steam

And you can do that once in a few months and etc

[hasty bobcat]

nanomachines son

[hasty bobcat]

sounds like effort

zzz

[proper iron]

my country pirate yugioh so hard. konami said no mgrr for you

[fossil horizon]

I mean you can't migrate to somewhere because steam direct refill is prohibited there

Or it takes a lot more efforts

[hasty bobcat]

conclusion

be rich

[rose nova]

:O

[fossil horizon]

Just have work and people willing to help you with account migration etc

[harsh rapids]

Hi want to ask

for this game chapter 1 how to play

[lost lynx]

select the rundown you want to play
then select the level

you can either host your lobby

or matchmake ingame (not recommended)

[harsh rapids]

Because just now i ply with my friend R1A1

We lose many time already

[daring ginkgo]

r1a1 is a bit tough for brand new players

[lost lynx]

thats the GTFO experience

this game is hard

you just need to keep trying, try different guns, tools, setups etc

[harsh rapids]

Got any chinese player or any buddy can help

[lost lynx]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[lost lynx]

id:browse

[harsh rapids]

Just got korea , indonesia and thailand form Asia

want to ask got any suggest weapon for start

[lost lynx]

hel shotgun, sawed off, hel revolver, normal shotgun, combat shotgun, hel pistol, hel rifle, hel gun, normal pistol, carbine, heavy SMG

those are usually the most decent weapons

for tools:
burst sentry is the best sentry
biotracker is a MUST have in every loadout

mines are usually used on doors

[harsh rapids]

Ok i try and see thanks bro

[lost lynx]

i recommend trying all the guns and see what you like the most

[shut vapor]

helo

[lost lynx]

Quadangalo!!!!!

Hello

[shut vapor]

Hop on

[lost lynx]

Where

[shut vapor]

Minecraft 😔

[lost lynx]

I don't have it

(legally)

Wait nvm

I forgot i bought it on my phone

[shut vapor]

yuck

[pale bone]

where scatter

[hasty bobcat]

why

[lost lynx]

It sucks

[low shell]

sounds about righy

[pale bone]

nah scatter solos

name an op

[lost lynx]

Bad gun

[pale bone]

scatter solos

me and the scattergun have sloppy kisses in that one open reactor room

[lost lynx]

Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this is like the most broken weapon in the game but it feels like horse shot to use because to use it yo its full potential you literally need to be superhuman, able to click 20 times per second. This is where the macro comes in. You create a macro that when you hold a button, it clicks really fast, mimicking full auto. Don't go overboard with the firing speed. I set mine to fire somewhere between 5 and 10 per second, similar to the assault rifle. Then you bind that button to your most accessible mouse button.

Now you have a weapon that is the most generally ammo efficient in the game with the normal semi auto and then when you switch to full auto, it has up to the highest dps in the game, each bullet dealing more than twice of what the assault rifle does, still with a huge ammo capacity.

The only drawbacks are the somewhat hard to control recoil and half stagger, yet remember it still staggers more per bullet than the assault rifle and pretty much always staggers on heashot. Its also not super great for sniping shooters with early fall off. Deletes both strikers and giants though

[hasty bobcat]

sr slaps

[modern coral]

SR is peak skill prog weapon

Requires careful attention to use well, teaches you breakpoints, teaches you range management, forces you to be accurate...

[hasty bobcat]

new players should play SR

smh

[fringe garden]

it teaches you rsi too so you learn to long kite because you can't shoot

[low shell]

is this a new copypasta or is it ancient?

[modern coral]

It's new in GTFO time

(multiple months old)

[low shell]

i've been here for just a month so i wouldnt know if thats the case

[modern coral]

It does kind of save new players from bad ammo, tbh.

I think it's kind of underrated for that.

[low shell]

if u mean scatter, i expected someone to mention that

[modern coral]

It's a semi-auto that is straightforward and has a huge ammo pool.

[low shell]

i'd use sniper too as an example, but sniper is bad

[modern coral]

No, SR.

Sniper has the problem that new players will miss w/ it

[low shell]

i never used it lul

[modern coral]

and so it loses its eco

[low shell]

you almost cant miss a giant

but giants arent an issue

[modern coral]

You definitely can if you don't know their animations.

Especially if you want to be able to shoot early enough to get good value.

[low shell]

well if u give urself few seconds to aim, its fine

but not worth it still

most guns can kill giants

[modern coral]

And I am talking about wave clear, which is most of what you deal with in easy content.

[low shell]

in which case sniper is useless

lol

[hasty bobcat]

sniper is good if ray plays it

trust

[low shell]

do u like playing sniper

when u get chance to

[hasty bobcat]

naw

i suck

[low shell]

rip

[modern coral]

That it's made it into two different E-tier speeds is wild.

[analog flicker]

If you were good with it. Siren would be ranting

[low shell]

i see ur playing ror2 too
poggers

i kinda wanna play gtfo rn and use sniper

[analog flicker]

I got ifo playing it so yeh

[low shell]

hell yeah

[analog flicker]

Basically I gifted the goober the game because sale

[low shell]

[lost lynx]

ror2?

[low shell]

yis

[analog flicker]

Risk of rain 2

[lost lynx]

ah

[hasty bobcat]

never

[low shell]

how hard can sniper be

it sounds straight forward on paper

even tho i know one of my friends always 50/50s hybrids and giant shooters

[hasty bobcat]

u just need to hit every shot

[low shell]

i got great aim

[hasty bobcat]

and then it's pgood answer to giants and stuff

[low shell]

and quick scoping

[hasty bobcat]

gf asking so have to

smh

[low shell]

xD

[analog flicker]

Need it for scouts

[low shell]

i use PR

[hasty bobcat]

not like i mind but yea

[analog flicker]

You gonna carry her

[hasty bobcat]

already

[hasty bobcat]

hey ur reload will be done within 14 business days

[analog flicker]

Also sky we did (Well. I defeated mithrix) last night

[hasty bobcat]

gjgj

[analog flicker]

I told IFO to be careful of lunar enemies

[modern coral]

Enemy movement makes it inconvenient at times.

[analog flicker]

That goober ran in and died

[modern coral]

Giant head waving is a little annoying, and if they stutter step they're just impossible to aim at.

[hasty bobcat]

so annoyinggggg

[modern coral]

If you learn to make them attack, it's not so bad.

You have to spend primary to take aggro

[low shell]

yeah but i know it shines in open levels

and when you get targetted

[modern coral]

Not really? It's more about enemy composition.

Sniper remains the best hybrid answer in the game.

[analog flicker]

When your teammates steal headshot

[low shell]

open levels with giants and hybrid*

[modern coral]

And it is a ranged giant answer that is economical, BC has serious ammo problems comparatively.

[low shell]

mfw heads pop

[low shell]

i luv burst hugs

[modern coral]

Depends on what you mean by "open," because R5E1 and R8E2 are levels where it has a place.

and they aren't exactly open like R2D2 is.

[analog flicker]

Ngl. Idk any other levels off the top of my head where else I'd want bc

[low shell]

i dont know any levels from the top of my head

but E2 with pdw and sniper sounds fun

excuse is to kill krakeneven tho hel rifle exists

[modern coral]

BC is good in R7D2, R4E1, and R8E2 at least.

[analog flicker]

Ye

[modern coral]

Or you mean you prefer BC everywhere else?

[analog flicker]

I just dislike when e2 but everyone else has scatter/shotguns

[modern coral]

I think R6C2 is probably still a Sniper level.

[analog flicker]

And I'm the only one with range. (Bc)

[modern coral]

In pubs and if you play slow, having an efficient hybrid answer matters a lot less.

[low shell]

considering am good enough with aiming that i often have too much ammo, am good with burst cannon

[analog flicker]

Its just nice until kraken and they depend on me

[modern coral]

Main reason it's strong in speeds is because it's ranged and efficient, and because you wake up lots of bigs going fast that are otherwise very hard expensive to deal with.

[analog flicker]

Ye

[modern coral]

Kraken is ez, tho

[analog flicker]

It is

[low shell]

saving my dead team in the kraken fight

[analog flicker]

(Even though idk how pubs die to that particular kraken.)

[hasty bobcat]

ye kraken is zzz

[analog flicker]

Remember our pub 4th died to kraken

[hasty bobcat]

smh

[analog flicker]

[hasty bobcat]

i die only if i get tk'ed

[low shell]

its funny cuz you can still overextend

its a fight with patience

[analog flicker]

@blissful dome

[hasty bobcat]

oh no

idk i just hold like

not where terminal is

but in like resource side or whatever

[blissful dome]

huh

what

id never

[bleak stag]

wth is the solo trial class a map endurance has surge every 3 mins

[lost lynx]

a surge or a wave every 3 mins?

[hasty bobcat]

its fun

[bleak stag]

surge wave every 3 mins

[hasty bobcat]

its easy

go mine a door boom

win the game

[bleak stag]

it solo trial im deciding using mine on it

[analog flicker]

Surge wave?

[bleak stag]

yes

[lost lynx]

surge waves arent a thing tho

🤔

[bleak stag]

mod

[analog flicker]

Or do you just mean a surge error/alarm

[hasty bobcat]

its a 25 enemy wave

every 3 minutes

[bleak stag]

solo trial

[analog flicker]

That's just a full wave

[lost lynx]

thats just an error alarm

a full wave error alarm

[bleak stag]

nono error and surge

same time

[lost lynx]

a surge is a constant alarm that respawns enemies as they are killed

[analog flicker]

[bleak stag]

how about try solo trial

[analog flicker]

[bleak stag]

endurance the map im talking about

[shut vapor]

Surge Error

full wave error more like

[lost lynx]

i already saw a video about it

its not a surge

[analog flicker]

Knowing alarms and how they work =/= just try it yourself

[hasty bobcat]

i've done it alr

[analog flicker]

Oh well. I gtg back to work. Breaks over

[lost lynx]

la creatura

[bleak stag]

backrooms?

the bacteria monster

[shut vapor]

Try not to get scared. "Only using melee on this alarm will be fine", Quadangalo said. Until he saw.... the hallowed king

[bleak stag]

can you kill scout front with knife in solo trial?

[hasty bobcat]

i don't think so

u can in duo idk about solo

[fossil horizon]

I couldn't kill in head in duo 👀

[shut vapor]

yes

[hasty bobcat]

u can knife a giant

like one hit or two hit

[fossil horizon]

Normal dies to occiput plus one to back in duo

[hasty bobcat]

yeah

[fossil horizon]

In solo you one shot them in occiput

[hasty bobcat]

surely u can knife a scout

[hasty bobcat]

WHAT

[fossil horizon]

Ye

Different crit multi of knives

[bleak stag]

i was trying to stagger in hahah with out knowing i can one shot them haha

[fossil horizon]

Same weapon same model but stats differ in each Zaero rundown

[bleak stag]

yes i can

[fossil horizon]

Iirc you can't knife in head the scout in duo, tried a few times it was left on one | so I just switched to hammer for damage against bbc

[hasty bobcat]

maybe i misremember

or maybe i hit occi by accident

[amber shore]

I've only ever gotten scout with spear and hammer, but i run knife a lot and I can say for sure you would probably need at least 3 people

[shut vapor]

knife you can kill scout in vanilla

[hasty bobcat]

yeah

[fringe garden]

you can knife scout in head in vanilla you just need to do the funny

[lost lynx]

Full charge to the back of the head

[analog flicker]

All Melees can kill scout

[hasty bobcat]

ye

[analog flicker]

Seeing bandit's utility basically save ifo 90% of the run was funny.

[amber shore]

oh cool ok

[sharp owl]

Get tfo

[daring ginkgo]

my god, what an annoying ending on r7b3

fog, carry cargo through few zones, 2 extraction alarms 💀

[fossil horizon]

Yes

[sharp owl]

I wonder how ur gonna do solo R7D2

Certainly gonna be fun

[daring ginkgo]

"fun"

also secondary obj on this lvl annoying too

[sharp owl]

You could always just do lfg to get slightly worse bots

[daring ginkgo]

whole lvl was annoying

[sharp owl]

Did you do r5 completely yet?

Oh fuck r7d1 thats gonna be interesting for you

[daring ginkgo]

yeah

[sharp owl]

Solo right?

[daring ginkgo]

also #gtfo-media message

funny bugs

[daring ginkgo]

yeah

with bots

[sharp owl]

Lmao

[sharp owl]

And r4e1….

[daring ginkgo]

i picked data cube, immediately jumped on ladder and game felt not so good

[brittle schooner]

how do u manage lvls like this btw, since bots drop items 2 fight?

[sharp owl]

Gtfo for you

[daring ginkgo]

i ignored fog turbine, thats it

[brittle schooner]

fair xd

[sharp owl]

Fog divers 2

[brittle schooner]

actually if u have full infection do bots still give u meds under 80% hp?

[daring ginkgo]

nah, unreal

[daring ginkgo]

no

[brittle schooner]

rip

[sharp owl]

R7d1 and d2 are gonna be fun but d2 is going to be harder ngl