gtfo-chat

[junior latch]

Reactor hold is bad
But also not that bad

It just makes parties take more time looting and slightly longer to kill. The worst part is a harder line to shoot for newbies if they dont hold right at sec door

[void loom]

For me I think it was actually using hel guns and a better choke point honestly. I brought three bots with meme loadouts unironically and it was fine

[daring ginkgo]

oh, defending in reactor room sucks

[burnt flume]

The main thing is reactor hold normally gets coupled with instant code plug

[sharp owl]

why is R7C3 SUCH A PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS

[daring ginkgo]

i remember doing this at r1c1 with bots too, went horribly

[junior latch]

Grinding through if close enough

Swapping to guns that lets them carry the shooting

better tool setup and useage

Better holding spots/strats for res

Any of those

[burnt flume]

Guns that are better for dealing with hybrids

[mystic moss]

the game is buggy af so you don't spawn with ammo for some reason on that mission

[latent orbit]

sir did you press F to pull out melee

[mystic moss]

crazy how they never fixed it

[sharp owl]

my good sire that is the numpad 1

f is for flashlight

[latent orbit]

ermmm

[quartz cape]

they did fix it you just have to bring boosters

[fossil horizon]

Just bonk

[junior latch]

i watched some peeps and the only change that pushed them from a wave 4 wipe everytime to a easy clear was streamer swapping to hel rifle

He started holding about 50% of the wave alone

[ocean birch]

I learned of the bridge from watching ti-nenpi speedrun. I also tried the hel auto. My group was completely incapable of dealing with enemies that got on top of us, so the hel auto stopped that from happening and we won

[rose nova]

r7c3 is so fun for me i like bonk :] i like going melee

[latent orbit]

i need a grenade launcher

[quartz cape]

knife players when the r7c3:

[mystic moss]

so people struggling with r1c1 are just stuck on the knowledge gap, as opposed to just lacking aim skill?

[rose nova]

bat players when r7c3: >:]

[junior latch]

it can be either or a mix of both

[rotund crown]

4 shotgun sentries

[sharp owl]

i was stuck on r1c1 because i was a solo player, after awhile i just gave up and bought gtfo for my friends so we can play

[rose nova]

i think c1 stuck is a mix of both cause holding in bridge can complicate with very bad weaponry
but holding in reactor with good aim can complicate cause of bad tools and stuff

[fossil horizon]

Imagine if R1C1 had checkpoint, so we would see questions like "what do we need to do on level? We are restarting 8 hours from checkpoint already and can't beat it"

[fresh jacinth]

me and a friend of mine solved R1C1 by simply moving the hold point as we progressed in waves, so that we're closer to resources
and also me not throwing the whole mission by not leaving to punch the reactor code in early enough :')

[rose nova]

tbh it wouldn't do much
i feel like people don't change tools or guns anyway when they lose

[mystic moss]

gtfo business model goes hard

can't beat the game solo, so convince other friends to buy it too

[ocean birch]

Mission would be so much better with a checkpoint before reactor though

[sharp owl]

when can we pirate multiplayer games

[mystic moss]

• $40

[mortal lake]

im back

[rose nova]

no?

[graceful geode]

Eh I'd say the lack of knowledge could get skipped by being very good at aiming but the difference between "just resist here" and "aim better" is a lot.

[daring ginkgo]

and after few days they just leaving the game 👌

[junior latch]

It takes 5 min max getting there playing slow

[rose nova]

it's a 5 minute walk to the reactor without any rng it doesn't matter

[mystic moss]

gtfo pirater spotted !!

mods !

[fresh jacinth]

tbh a lot of early rundowns' missions would be better with more checkpoints
especially for new players

[ocean birch]

Because then you dint have to do 30 minutes of moving packs and staying to lose in 5 min 10 times

[ocean birch]

And you get shitty packs

[junior latch]

Moving packs is so overrated

The ressources are static per zone anyhow

[fossil horizon]

We would see them hitting a wall faster with checkpoint, so they for sure don't change loadouts or else

[ocean birch]

And since you've lost like 5 times already, why would you settle for shitty packs?

[shut vapor]

Yarharhar

[rose nova]

i feel like only a few of r5 and stuff like d1 but it also brings a lot of complication over checkpoint spam and shit

[rose nova]

resources don't have rng

[sharp owl]

me watching another run get thrown because my dumbass bot decided to rev me while 8 giants were surronding me

[rose nova]

not on c1 at least

[junior latch]

stack to full
Grab a big pack on everyone and go

its so unnecessary to swap packs

[ocean birch]

Yeah, but replacing 3 2 use packs with 3 5 use packs still gives you 9 extra uses of packs

[mystic moss]

omg my 6 use ammo split into a 4 and 3 ammo

[rose nova]

the most rng u have is: instead of a 4 use, u get 2 ammo packs of 2

:O

[quartz cape]

some fellas werent there for og r1c1 and it shows

[junior latch]

if you are struggling on ressources you are usually getting to wave 7+ or actually dont know res management

[daring ginkgo]

i need a fcking checkpoint on r5d2 on reactor startup, i am tired cleaning up whole lvl and spending 1h just to get to reactor 💀 💀

[junior latch]

and if you get to 7+ then you get 2 min of time to loot

[fossil horizon]

Omg my zone randomised tool from 4 use to 8 use

[junior latch]

Dogshit mission

[mystic moss]

my favorite biblical story is when jesus split the ammo and meds to feed the 5000

[junior latch]

The other packs dont disappear

[quartz cape]

it was so hype tho

[junior latch]

you could just get them by walking up

[ocean birch]

We held I reactor, so we only had access to half the resources

[junior latch]

no you didnt

[rose nova]

no u didnt if u clean enough u can run to the very end by wave 5

i did it

i for sure know

[ocean birch]

Also the first 2 zones are basically inaccessible during waves

[fossil horizon]

Lier

[junior latch]

also bridge zone has enough res to last wave 1-5 without any early ressource fills or pick ups

Which is around 28 uses you are not taking with you btw

[fresh jacinth]

ideally you're not in dire need of resources during a wave, because you stock up beforehand

[ocean birch]

Maybe if you know exactly where you are goinf

[rose nova]

u never have to go to the very beginning and the second zone it's not inaccesible- it's easy to get there

[junior latch]

No??

[rose nova]

ITS A LINE KDMSMD

U DONT GET LOST?

it is literally just the same line always

[fossil horizon]

People get lost on that level, you just didn't saw that

I saw that

[junior latch]

you loot bridge zone until about wave 5 is over

Then you can easily grab stuff in the 2+ min of wave 6-8 times

[ocean birch]

It takes like 30 seconds to run there, 30 seconds back, and you barely have any time to look for any packs. If you haven't moved packs and just opened lockers chances are you have like no idea where the packs are

[latent orbit]

press tab to open map

[rose nova]

how even qwq
like maybe the second zone with the weird ramp but u just go south or north

[fossil horizon]

Didn't helped them

[junior latch]

1 min
But wave 6 already has 2+ min of downtime once waves dead

[rose nova]

by wave 5 6 u have like more than a full minute so yes u have time

[ocean birch]

Actually 30 sek is for the closest zone more like

[latent orbit]

screenshot location of the resource packs

ez

[rose nova]

u don't even need to run so far for the first 4 waves u can survive perfectly fine if u don't overuse ur sentries

and shoot moderately ok

just ping the packs u haven't found

so u can fully clean the entire zone

[fossil horizon]

Like go for resource and start making circles in room finding exit to the bridge

[graceful geode]

They are

[ocean birch]

Between the waves?

[junior latch]

Slendi

Theres enough ressources in the bridge zone to last wave 1-5 completely

Without picking up or using anything from the first 2 zones

[graceful geode]

From the door that brings to second zone to third, to the truck on the bridge it's around 28-30 seconds IIRC

[rose nova]

sure! u don't have anything to do for the fourth wave when u have so much time

just get on the terminal list the zone and ping

[junior latch]

if you fill up and get a 4-5 use on everyone you are already moving 20+ uses

[rose nova]

it's the bridge- it's super close

[graceful geode]

First 4 phases have lowish timers, after that you get like 1 minute

[junior latch]

that lasts to wave 6 EASILY even with meh shooting

[rose nova]

THATS WHAT I MEAN

[graceful geode]

enough to get the packs very close to the door

[fossil horizon]

Guys you just don't understand how new people behave on level

[graceful geode]

which are, 2 lockers on the right, 1 box behind them, 1 locker after the staircase that goes down, and 1 box on the corner around it

[junior latch]

people who die from lack of res usually have awful tools they use badly, loot badly in bridge zone and potentially rush code input

[graceful geode]

At least 2 of those I'm pretty sure ALWAYS spawn

[fossil horizon]

You think from the top of GTFO vets mountain

[mystic moss]

omg so real

[glacial anvil]

i carried my noob friends in r7c1 i don't see how r1c1 is harder

[rose nova]

i seen so many streams and videos of people running c1- i think it's not exaggeration to say yes they get stuck but they know how to loot moderately well

like they know they have to run far by wave 4 or so

[junior latch]

no
I accept r1c1 as a wall for beginners

But moving ressources is bad advice

They waste so much time on smth theyd wipe on anyhow if they dont learn the actual good stuff

[glacial anvil]

^

[graceful geode]

I do, they resist in bad places and aim like shit, MAINLY, resisting in bad places is a lot more fixable than "aim better". I'm pretty sure the only thing that I dislike about R1C1 is that it sucks as an introduction.

[rose nova]

c1 is a wall but it's not a wall cause people don't know how to search lockers

[glacial anvil]

how do u not know how to search lockers

[quartz cape]

bro aint on top

[glacial anvil]

isn't that ht emost basic fuckin thing in the game

[junior latch]

Eh theres people who do wipe to it

But they die cuz they fail in finding and usinf bridge zone res

[rose nova]

if c1 had a bridge instead of that awkward pillar room it would be so much easier

[glacial anvil]

anyone wanna do R4D2 PE with me

[latent orbit]

bruh thought you wanted to do r8d2

[quartz cape]

.t lfg

[daring ginkgo]

fck this lvl i swear

[foggy plank]

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[glacial anvil]

hushh

[glacial anvil]

lol

[graceful geode]

⛰️

[ocean birch]

The main issue with not moving resources is that I just can't find resources when I need them.

This is true for r2d2 too. During my duo attempts we always sorted the packs a bit before starting. Otherwise what would happen is I needed to find a tool refill in main, look in 3 places, can't find one and then we don't have any tool refill and die

[glacial anvil]

i'm just looking to complete my rundowns

[daring ginkgo]

i spend a LOT of time on this

[quartz cape]

i sure hope theres a cooldown on discord bot commands

[fossil horizon]

I saw so much shit already on that, they move and die, someone goes for resource and get lost, they defend with foam and mines, they defend with 4 hel auto, they defend in reactor, they defend in the begging of the level, there's just so much mistakes can be made

[junior latch]

r1c1 has lots of thinks that make beginners struggle

Moving packs to swap them is gonna be one of the most unhelpful things over other important stuff

[rose nova]

that's just more an issue of not remembering or not taking time to ping stuff
u have a lot of time on r1c1 specifically to get on a terminal while 3 or 2 other people look in the bridge room

[latent orbit]

good hunter

[rose nova]

even i 3 bot runs have stopped to do that

[latent orbit]

you have done well

[junior latch]

R2D2 has massive time inbetween waves outside of code 5 tho

[graceful geode]

I assume they dont "sort" resources they find after the reactor room 🤣

[rose nova]

on r2d2 it also gives u time to ping resources

[junior latch]

Yup

[fossil horizon]

And they do them all

[worthy flicker]

I'll move some shit in R1C1 but I'm not going out of my way to spend 15 minutes moving every resource in the map. Only the things I find along the way.

[fossil horizon]

Or part if them

[rose nova]

on r2d2 i accept much more the excuse of "but u gotta know where to go to have time to ping the resources"
but after 5 attempts u should be WELL AWARE of where to go

so u should have time

[fringe garden]

code 4 can also be a little tight depending on where key is and how you go about clearing those rooms

[rose nova]

even the level tells u what zone to go kdmskd

[graceful geode]

No never move shit on any map.

Never, it's just so not worth it.

Learn where a terminal is so you know where everything is.

[junior latch]

Basically
You move stuff with you after filling up

Moving stuff back and forth is a massive waste of time

[fossil horizon]

Install drop resources, perfect boosters and say "I have supply efficiency don't use anything I will fill you"

[worthy flicker]

I'd rather just tell you all I'm bad at GTFO and uninstall it then do this.

[rose nova]

so real

[worthy flicker]

Yeah agreed

[junior latch]

Huh o.O

key spawn is pretty indifferent time wise

you probably rly just fast melee first room and shoot 2nd. I know some people try stealthing tho, yea then time gets close

[graceful geode]

I had someone with the resources dropping making me wait 10 fucking minutes while he brought all packs to the bridge, it was so annoying.

[fossil horizon]

I've seen those guys, tbh they still were loosing on
R1C1

[shut vapor]

If you do all that and still lose it's not the resources, its you

[fossil horizon]

Funny time spent in other games/browser while waiting for him

[fringe garden]

if you just shoot all rooms immediately is doesn't matter, but difference between close key in B (where you ignore enemies in B for later) and at alarm door is like minute 20 or so which can matter

[junior latch]

The funniest thing in this game is people with unlimited res and god mode/instant kill quitting cuz they dont understand how to clear a lvl

[graceful geode]

Nah nowadays if I see someone that just blantantly modded any non-qol I just quit

[junior latch]

Waiting on clearing that for later just should never be the play

[worthy flicker]

Me everytime I see a mf with the stupid repeller backpack mod frfr

[shut vapor]

Chat can we petition the devs to change the hacking minigame to the one at gamescom on the hardest difficulty

[junior latch]

nah thats a leak for dow

[daring ginkgo]

code 5 is much worse imo, you have to do alarm lvl 4, then you heading into pretty big zone with smalls and bigs, also fog, ugh

[shut vapor]

"leak"

[fossil horizon]

I recently gaslighted a new guy for that mods, and he thought it will be funny to tag me with picture of R2D2 reactor with all resources in 2 lockers

[fringe garden]

this is code 4

[daring ginkgo]

nvm, is is code 4

[junior latch]

Thats 2nd half of code 4 lol

[rose nova]

oops

[junior latch]

Code 5 is the only one that can push people tight on time as scouts and enemy layout can be fuckin troll

Play is legit to shoot a scout if you cant rly melee

[ocean birch]

Everything is on a fight against time on that mission imo, at least in a duo.

Waves 1-4 are fine sure, but after wave 4 is when packs are getting scarcer in reactor. You have to now clear 2 rooms, ping packs and key and find those, then go start an alarm that takes like 3 mimutes or more. Clear 4 rooms of enemies, get a code on 1 of 2 terminals, ping like 6 packs, find all of those packs and spend them as well as possible. All of this in 10 min

And same with like donut room and the 5 scout zone. There's a bunch of RNG involved in scouts, and it can take a lot of time. We often got back with just enough time to grab a pack because we couldn't find the correct pack, and having to go ping the pack in reactor and then having to re input command is just annoying

[junior latch]

Code 5 ruins so many beginner lobbies

[fossil horizon]

"count cubes" from pre-alpha

[rose nova]

bunch of rng with scouts

[daring ginkgo]

code 5 is fine, both terminals are close to each other

[rose nova]

someone doesn't know how to melee scouts fast enough

[daring ginkgo]

literally 5 meters between

[mystic moss]

never forget what they didn't give us

i remember the old roadmap

"new hacking minigames"

[quartz cape]

im getting cracked at the cubes minigame

[graceful geode]

🧊

[fossil horizon]

I can't see them in pre-alpha fog

[quartz cape]

the real problem is the timing one

cant see that one for shit

[junior latch]

Tbh in my duo i just didnt bother pinging outside of the 8th code zone. Saves so much time

Alarm shouldnt take even 2 min

Also saying „clearing 4 rooms“
You shoot A, you pull B. (If mine move into C and mine). Kill C

pull D quickly or walk through while looting

Key also always spawns in B anyhow for 4th code

And theres limited locker spawns

Worst spawn is around the corner to the right immediatly which people usually miss

[fringe garden]

eh i think you have comparatively lots of time on code 6 so waiting is fine
but if possible just shooting is better

[junior latch]

The only time ive ever run out of ammo on r2d2 we pulled all scouts/rooms and didnt loot much at all in 8th code zone and the key zone for it (199/200)

and we ran out on end of 10th code

was uuuh funny

[daring ginkgo]

but there are also extraction alarm

you meleeing it?

[rose nova]

sure

[junior latch]

Yup

[ocean birch]

Lost a run from running out of ammo after wave 10.

We got all the ammo on the map except in the 5 scout zone and the rooms you go into after wave 8 where we could only physically bring 2 packs.

We didn't have any ammo left in main

[quartz cape]

assault rifle moment

[junior latch]

better guns = more kills/ammo = more ammo left

[ocean birch]

You meleed the extraction alarm and all the hybrids at the end of wave 10 with 2 people?

[junior latch]

na that was a 4 man

It was horribly played. Again we triggered everything and didnt rly loot

[rose nova]

right the two people u guys should get bots

[ocean birch]

We ran hel rifle, sawed off, hel revo, shotgun

[rose nova]

despite how annoying they might be it's still two more sentries and 4 more guns

unless it is explicitly a challenge run

[ocean birch]

It's kinda a challenge run. Like we'd already completed r2d2 with 4 players

But 2 of us play more than the others

[rose nova]

ah ok that makes sense

[quartz cape]

in that case i dont mean to be rude but brother you missed too much

[ocean birch]

Not really. I don't get a lot of pierce value on hel rifle, but like I'd hit at least 75% of shots or so

[quartz cape]

i mean mathematically you or your duo must have missed to use up all that ammo and still run out

[ocean birch]

I did the math even. We used 5 uses of ammo per wave

[fresh jacinth]

piercing is like half of hel rifle's whole thing though

[ocean birch]

5 uses of ammo per wave means you don't get enough packs unless you get like all the packs on the map

[fresh jacinth]

you're kinda meant to use it if you wanna come close to the efficiency of other clearing weapons

[ocean birch]

Hel rifle only gets one shot less per refill than high cal. .42 or so less than shotgun

[graceful geode]

Otherwise you'd have a very overpriced hical

[ocean birch]

So if I get 2 guys every 3 shots I'm getting value

[fresh jacinth]

high cal isn't really a wave clearing weapon

[graceful geode]

no?

[graceful geode]

yes

the point is that all you get without penning is just 1 tapping chargers and shit

[ocean birch]

As in every third shots I get a double kill

[graceful geode]

you kinda WANT to use PEN a lot

that was my point

[worthy flicker]

If you're not piercing with hel rifle why are you using hel rifle I'm ngl

That's like. Why you use the gun. To kill 5 chargers at once.

[ocean birch]

What would I use instead?

[worthy flicker]

Idk man not a hel weapon lmao

[ocean birch]

Exactly. I needed a weapon for giants

[worthy flicker]

You want to kill giants?

[ocean birch]

And burst cannon is basically the same prohlem

[worthy flicker]

Burst Cannon/Scattergun

[fossil horizon]

You use it to one shot charger not to pen

[ocean birch]

Scattergun sucks on r2d2

[true pilot]

You use it to pen teammates

[worthy flicker]

You use it to one shot 5 of em at once

[ocean birch]

We ended up using sniper shotgun

[unreal crystal]

imma be honest youve got to have missed ammo

[ocean birch]

And that's how we cleared

[unreal crystal]

its either that or you were hardcore wasting it

did you wake up scouts?

[ocean birch]

We woke up one scout I believe

[unreal crystal]

i think even if u woke up all u should be fine anyway

[ocean birch]

Or well, I don't remember. So many attempts

[unreal crystal]

what tools are you running?

[ocean birch]

We've woken up a lot of scouts trhiguhout different attempts

[junior latch]

Yes

[ocean birch]

At first we ran sniper burst. When we cleared we ran burst burst

[junior latch]

You can wake up and shoot everything

[ocean birch]

Only one turret at a time

[junior latch]

You can have both turrtes placed for all waves

[worthy flicker]

Isn't there enough ammo to wake up and shoot everything on like 95 percent of the levels in this game?

[unreal crystal]

i think the answer is you just missed a bunch of ammo

[junior latch]

Yes

[worthy flicker]

Like all but maybe 3 or 4 iirc

[ocean birch]

No we would run out of tool

Like we used up all tool on the map anyways

[unreal crystal]

do you know this to be certain?

like did you list tool and ammo

[junior latch]

You wouldnt

How do i not run out with 2-3
The only answer is we kill more with guns

[fossil horizon]

Or you not use shotgun/auto sentry

[worthy flicker]

It is okay to not be the best GTFO player in the world mind you

Game ain't easy

[ocean birch]

Uhh, we skipped some tool in the mist room after wave 8 I believe because we had 100% on both

[fringe garden]

52 tool uses on map total + 7 starting means you can use 6 per wave which is like, less than 2 turrets per wave would use

[ocean birch]

But like a single turret would use most of its ammo each wave

[fringe garden]

(this is counting both 199 and 200)

[unreal crystal]

im curious where you held

just bridge?

[junior latch]

Yeaaa
That points to you guys not shooting well enough

hel rifle specifically has a few spots where you just kill 2-4 per shot quite often

[ocean birch]

Bridge 1-4, first room in South wave 5, first room in North on the catwalk thing waves 6-10

Shooting 2-4 enemies per shot with hel rifle still sounds like fantasy to me. I have like no idea how to do it.

But yeah, since I swapped to shotgun the turret would be perma shooting and I'd only kill enemies once they got close

[junior latch]

big brain play is to not have shotgun tbf

for hel rifle

When holding bridge up front you can get easy pen when they round the corner up top

and well, any normal line up line

[ocean birch]

Idk what to do then. I just can't get hel rifle or burst cannon to have the kind of crazy efficiency that is apparently normal

[analog flicker]

Imean.. hel rifle is just knowing long pathways-

To line up enemies

[graceful geode]

Nor even that long tbh

[fossil horizon]

Hel Rifle is just shoot in enemies

[ocean birch]

When enemies round the Corner they only have a shortwave before dropping down in altitude because there's a slope. So I don't get any long lines there

[fossil horizon]

Just don't play with those who will claim you as a "sniper sentry equivalent"

[ocean birch]

I do get a line when they get down the slope but then they tend to spread out more

[junior latch]

shoot when they just rounded

2 kills per shot should be the norm there

[analog flicker]

The issue with hel rifle is the alarming amount of ppl that only hit one enemy per shot.

[junior latch]

Hey
The sniper sentry did better
Dont flame it

It was mvp

[fossil horizon]

It's not issue

[quartz cape]

sniper sentry > hel rifle players

[junior latch]

Gun is still fine even when you do that tbf

[analog flicker]

Not when they eat up ammo and ask for more :/

[fossil horizon]

It wasn't, it killed less than me, stop spreading miss info

[ocean birch]

I'll jump into r2d2 to practice then

[junior latch]

it killed more nightmares and hybrids leo

[analog flicker]

The pubs I've seen. They burn up ammo pack after ammo pack doing it

[fossil horizon]

And I killed more other enemies

[junior latch]

ah yes the very common enemies that hel rifle targets on r8e2

like flyers

and uuh

[fossil horizon]

YES

[junior latch]

I vividly remember alex dealing with a lot of those too

[ocean birch]

like I said before, hel rifle without pierce is shotgun with 0.42 bullets left per refill with longer range and no spread (and slower fire rate, slower reload, less ammo capacity but those don't matter for ammo effiency)

[fossil horizon]

I was killing flyers with my look on them so they flew away into walls

[fresh jacinth]

those lower stats do matter for wave clearing as a whole

[fossil horizon]

Imagine using stats

[ocean birch]

point is shooting 1 enemy at a time with hel rifle doesn't waste ammo packs over something like shotgun

[junior latch]

only in cqc

hel rifle on r2d2 just shoots at 30m

[honest parrot]

I mean yeah

But you're still somehow losing ammo

So... maybe use a shotgun?

Is that what you're trying to say?

[silk blade]

arent you still losing ammo if you use a shotgun

just use melee

[fossil horizon]

Guys just shoot enemies, not walls, you can't mine them and build way out, that's all

I checked that believe me

Eva can confirm

[ocean birch]

damn I'm going to have to keep clearing the blood door before even getting to start the reactor

[junior latch]

i mean running out of ammo/tool means they left sentry shooting too much

Which either means they didnt shoot much or didnt hit that much on kills

But 2nd is more likely cuz of running out of ammo

hel rifle wave clear with no pen isnt great but its fine

[honest parrot]

Yeah

[worthy flicker]

I can't believe I've been in this discord long enough to see "hel rifle bad" genuine discourse

[junior latch]

you can test this with cconsole or whatever too

[ocean birch]

where's the hel rifle bad opinions?

[junior latch]

prob easier

[honest parrot]

gone

[worthy flicker]

Is that not what you're saying?

[honest parrot]

reduced to atoms

[ocean birch]

no?

[worthy flicker]

If it isn't that's my bad and I'm misreading it

[honest parrot]

jake just scroll up

It's not that hard

to see what he's talking about

[ocean birch]

it's mostly other people saying that the way I use hel rifle it's terrible

[quartz cape]

im saying that
fuck hel rifle

burst cannon supremacy

[worthy flicker]

I'm ngl all I can gather from that is that they don't use hel rifle for it's pen

[worthy flicker]

Agreed

[latent orbit]

but sir ur burst cannon cant pent !!!!

[junior latch]

You also love r2d1 which many here hate (im not one of them)

[quartz cape]

holy shit i dont care

[fossil horizon]

Hel Rifle looses to grenade launcher in wave clear(only if grenade launcher rolls more than 0 damage)

[latent orbit]

...

[honest parrot]

hey simon

[fresh jacinth]

you're saying you run out of ammo, people asked how many targets you're hitting with your high-penetration weapon
sounds like a sensible development
it might not be the biggest problem depending on full context, but it contributes

[worthy flicker]

R2D1 is fine, why do people hate it?

[quartz cape]

how could anyone not like it? its the level where the players split up

[latent orbit]

hello

[fresh jacinth]

R2D1 is certainly spicy

[quartz cape]

best level

[ocean birch]

it's not like any other weapon would run out of ammo less

unless I brought like short rifle

[wraith marsh]

Hel gun:

[fresh jacinth]

it depends on how you're using it

[worthy flicker]

Idk I barely remember R2D1 which means it wasn't that hard to get through

[honest parrot]

You have no idea lol

[quartz cape]

you must have been lucky r2d1 is also the hardest level

[honest parrot]

if you can't read terms yeah

[worthy flicker]

At least the hardest level in R2, clearly. R2E1? Never heard of her.

[fresh jacinth]

actually, on a vaguely related note to R2D1
is there any rhyme and reason to how bots decide where to yeet fog repellers

[quartz cape]

ive been stuck on r2d1 for 16 years and im loving the struggle

[honest parrot]

I mean short rifles... got a quirk

[graceful geode]

A very tropical level

[ocean birch]

hel gun is the exact same deal as hel rifle

sure if you headshot it does get a bit more efficient

[lost lynx]

What the

[wraith marsh]

A bit more lol

[ocean birch]

but if you don't it gets less efficient

[quartz cape]

bros got the spreadsheet in the second monitor

[honest parrot]

Not really
The stats might say that, but it's not the full picture
just like how hel pp and machine p compare

[unreal crystal]

r u hacked

[ocean birch]

no I got most of the gun stats memorised

somewhat

[quartz cape]

rounds per refill on revolver go

5 seconds

[fresh jacinth]

hel gun might not deal enough damage to 1-shot in a vacuum but you have teammates with guns that care less about individual shots that can finish them off

[quartz cape]

no cheating

[ocean birch]

hel gun is like 15. something shots per refill if we're talking ammo effiency

[honest parrot]

Like hell he remembers

[wraith marsh]

Beth they're not penning

[ocean birch]

it does 15. something damage

[wraith marsh]

Lost soul

[ocean birch]

16

[junior latch]

Funny quirk of being pretty ass yes

[unreal crystal]

oh true

[quartz cape]

WRONG

18.3

[ocean birch]

oh damn

it's higher than I thought

[honest parrot]

see i told you

[junior latch]

Isnt it 18.37?

or 18.32

Fuck

[honest parrot]

7

[junior latch]

i think .37

[honest parrot]

wiki says 7

[fresh jacinth]

.37 yeah

[quartz cape]

if you want ot get pedantic, its 18.3673

[junior latch]

[ocean birch]

I do know that hel rifle has 9, shotgun has 9.42 or so, high cal has 10

[fresh jacinth]

me when I wish I had 0.0027 more bullets 😔

[honest parrot]

I mean who the hell uses the pistols enough to remember the refill stats

[ocean birch]

and short rifle has 60 something

[honest parrot]

the normal pistols

[ocean birch]

this

actually

[quartz cape]

paid for the whole float, gonna use the whole float

[ocean birch]

pistol has 30 doesn't it?

per refill

[quartz cape]

yes

[junior latch]

I just know numbers

[honest parrot]

yes

fair

[ocean birch]

anyways, I genuinely do better with short rifle than HAR

it's jhust the recoil

short rifle recoil just goes straight up

[jagged citrus]

what the hell did i walk in on

[honest parrot]

gun talk

[jagged citrus]

pro-short rifle speak? in my #gtfo-chat????

i have a copypasta for this

[wraith marsh]

Sir what do you think of cshotty efficiency vs regular shotty

[jagged citrus]

Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this is like the most broken weapon in the game but it feels like horse shot to use because to use it yo its full potential you literally need to be superhuman, able to click 20 times per second. This is where the macro comes in. You create a macro that when you hold a button, it clicks really fast, mimicking full auto. Don't go overboard with the firing speed. I set mine to fire somewhere between 5 and 10 per second, similar to the assault rifle. Then you bind that button to your most accessible mouse button.

Now you have a weapon that is the most generally ammo efficient in the game with the normal semi auto and then when you switch to full auto, it has up to the highest dps in the game, each bullet dealing more than twice of what the assault rifle does, still with a huge ammo capacity.

The only drawbacks are the somewhat hard to control recoil and half stagger, yet remember it still staggers more per bullet than the assault rifle and pretty much always staggers on heashot. Its also not super great for sniping shooters with early fall off. Deletes both strikers and giants though

[junior latch]

https://youtu.be/v88fABN8ht0?si=hoAyO0wTBZnwVnmX
This at 0:16

[ocean birch]

I cleared r5d1 first time duo with short rifle

[jagged citrus]

that is mea

my autism thrives on video game weapon discussion

[honest parrot]

I mean if it can't even do that it would probably need actual buffs

[jagged citrus]

impressive

with or without macro

[jagged citrus]

if the devs balanced this game anymore

[honest parrot]

I mean before they left they did balance it a little

[jagged citrus]

"balance" is a strong word

[junior latch]

just in the wrong direction

[jagged citrus]

sniper :(

[honest parrot]

just like the burst pistol
(well I said they balanced it, but well...)

[junior latch]

Alt r6 balance was a lot better

[jagged citrus]

i miss my boy

[ocean birch]

I think I will just not say anything

[jagged citrus]

i like how all three of the guns released with r8 are garbo

[jagged citrus]

lmao its a reddit post dw about it

[honest parrot]

I mean bp is fine

[jagged citrus]

p[lay what u like

who cares about being optimal

[honest parrot]

you can five burst a charger with it...

[jagged citrus]

or one shot them with a sawed off

[honest parrot]

sadge

[jagged citrus]

[honest parrot]

I miss actually using the burst pistol and feeling like I'm not trolling

[ocean birch]

I know

[jagged citrus]

when was that the case?

i thought it was released in a shit state and then it received one buff and that was ist

[worthy flicker]

I love using the burst pistol ngl, fun gun, shame it sucks.

[ocean birch]

oh right, I have to actually start my reactor wave

[honest parrot]

oh um...
anything larger than a charger will eat you

[lost lynx]

BBCS

[honest parrot]

the stats are fine
but the ttk is...

well it's not super good

[jagged citrus]

idk

[honest parrot]

most of the other pistols feel better when you get things going
burst pistol will do its job
and it will stay doing its job

[jagged citrus]

its basically a main weapon in the special slot
which, don't get me wrong, definitely has a place

[ocean birch]

short rifle is unironically good against chargers. They die so fast. It's not lie hel rifle good, but it doesn't have the same hard fall off at 9 meters that high cal does against them

[jagged citrus]

theres just so many special weapons that feel better, imho

[jagged citrus]

grrrr

fuckin high cal damage falloff

[lost lynx]

Short rifle good against chargers?

[jagged citrus]

😡

[lost lynx]

What the

Brother

[jagged citrus]

why is their lick range longer than high cal damage falloff

[fossil horizon]

Yes charged revolver with pen and autoaim are pretty good

[jagged citrus]

silly

[lost lynx]

Guys where is the short rifle copypasta

[ocean birch]

it wins on walk over. Most weapons kinda suck against chargers

[burnt flume]

I am glad I did not read every message I missed because boy would that kill me

[lost lynx]

💀

[honest parrot]

Not really
you just don't shoot them in the body

[ocean birch]

short rifle kills a charger in like 0.5 seconds

[honest parrot]

And go for staggers

[lost lynx]

Short rifle sucks more

[ocean birch]

where else would you shoot if not the body?

[fossil horizon]

Hel shotgun sucks more

[junior latch]

You achieve stagger with 2 shots of any special (outside of short rifle)

[near stag]

Full auto is good against everything lol. Just say Bye Bye to your ammo

[honest parrot]

limbs

[junior latch]

with no limbbreaks

[honest parrot]

hard stagger

[burnt flume]

hel gun, rifle are the premier charger answers
high cal, shotgun, choke mod are not awful because they're still 30 damage, but getting one shots is more awkward
some stuff like burst cannon is passable I guess

[junior latch]

Nothing*

[burnt flume]

ah yes, it all comes back to the macro

[slender flare]

I love high cal but the falloff grrr

[lost lynx]

Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this is like the most broken weapon in the game but it feels like horse shot to use because to use it yo its full potential you literally need to be superhuman, able to click 20 times per second. This is where the macro comes in. You create a macro that when you hold a button, it clicks really fast, mimicking full auto. Don't go overboard with the firing speed. I set mine to fire somewhere between 5 and 10 per second, similar to the assault rifle. Then you bind that button to your most accessible mouse button.

Now you have a weapon that is the most generally ammo efficient in the game with the normal semi auto and then when you switch to full auto, it has up to the highest dps in the game, each bullet dealing more than twice of what the assault rifle does, still with a huge ammo capacity.

The only drawbacks are the somewhat hard to control recoil and half stagger, yet remember it still staggers more per bullet than the assault rifle and pretty much always staggers on heashot. Its also not super great for sniping shooters with early fall off. Deletes both strikers and giants though

[junior latch]

HAR with normal recoil isnt too bad

[honest parrot]

Yeah but revolver
you have six bullets and too many chargers for six bullets

[ocean birch]

revolver needs 3 shots to kill a charger

[honest parrot]

now that I think about it all my references are pistols

[wraith marsh]

15 damage revo...

[slender flare]

Special or hel

[unreal crystal]

society if revo did 15 damage

[slender flare]

Because hel has penetration too

[junior latch]

Unironically crazy that we dont have it

It wouldnt be broken anyhow

[wraith marsh]

It's surprisingly strong

[jagged citrus]

like does it even change any interactions beyond 3->2 bodyshots for chargers/shooters

[junior latch]

Giants

[unreal crystal]

you can 1 tap limbs on giants right?

[junior latch]

bbcs

[honest parrot]

limb breaks essentially

[junior latch]

Yes

[jagged citrus]

mm

[honest parrot]

You'd be unironically happy limb breaking with rev

[wraith marsh]

Giant match-up is very good

[slender flare]

Are we talking about hel or the other one I need to know

[unreal crystal]

it'd go hard

[jagged citrus]

that feels like a perfectly justified buff

[honest parrot]

special

[junior latch]

snatcher is mildly changed

[honest parrot]

Not hel

[slender flare]

Thanks

I love the special one

[unreal crystal]

i wish we had the revo meta...

[junior latch]

c-scouts

[lost lynx]

Chat is this real

[jagged citrus]

usually if just "revolver" is said its the special revo

[fossil horizon]

Charged revolver

[slender flare]

Makes sense

[honest parrot]

the revolver that follows logic

Unlike that other one that has heathen science in it

[jagged citrus]

idk why

but somehow the sawed off just

feels worse

[wraith marsh]

Have you seen the reload

[jagged citrus]

even though they're both doing the same thing

[junior latch]

Of what

[slender flare]

Wait you can break limbs of giants with it with one shot? I never noticed

[wraith marsh]

Revo

[jagged citrus]

can someone make a gif of the scuffed revo reload

[fossil horizon]

Before fix or after?

[jagged citrus]

no

[junior latch]

yea revo reload is faaaat

[jagged citrus]

because it wasn't bad enough already

[junior latch]

If it had 15 dmg

[slender flare]

I have no idea how much it even has tbh

[honest parrot]

it currently has 14.21

[slender flare]

Bruh

[honest parrot]

so it's digits off

[slender flare]

One damage booster

[junior latch]

Boosters are never considered

[jagged citrus]

by that logic, DMR is the best main in the game

uh

[slender flare]

Yes

[jagged citrus]

probably

[junior latch]

Hel revo still

[jagged citrus]

actually maybe its hel revo still

yeah

lmao

[junior latch]

[slender flare]

I understand

[jagged citrus]

just bring a +1000% special damage booster

then short rifle is the best gun in the game

[slender flare]

Ah yes

[fossil horizon]

Boosters never considered unless you bring glowstick power

[slender flare]

Someone post the copypasta for the 3rd time

[honest parrot]

NO

[slender flare]

It's the best one in the game

[jagged citrus]

isnt glowstick power like bugged with the piss sticks

[wraith marsh]

Can we get the short rifle guy to install damage indicator

[jagged citrus]

8%

[fossil horizon]

It works on all glowsticks

[graceful geode]

Everyone should install that mod.

[worthy flicker]

Even if you did it wouldn't matter

[slender flare]

Also what the hell does the "c-foam portion" booster do

[jagged citrus]

i want a mod that gives me more feedback on when i get a pierce shot with one of the hel weapons

[graceful geode]

Thanks again for showing me it, Chill Dude.

[worthy flicker]

I'm convinced someone who thinks SR is that good will continue to gaslight themselves about it no matter what

[jagged citrus]

i can never tell if ive lined it up properly
unless i have hel rifle because then they all die

[honest parrot]

c-foam portion gives you more foam
is what it says

[slender flare]

I want a mod that buffs shelling nano

[honest parrot]

in reality you get more foam to shoot out when you charge your foam launcher

[jagged citrus]

the internet. where arguments are had, opinions are exchanged, and no one changes their mind

usually

eva enlightened me on the wonders of hel shotgun

i changed my mind on that

[fossil horizon]

Gtfuckingxp

[slender flare]

OH I see, thank you

[honest parrot]

so you have to charge it to have the cfoam portion to have an effect

[jagged citrus]

im assuming this is the name of the mod and not you insulting me

[honest parrot]

Or else it NEVER works

[fossil horizon]

Just kill with pen and you see you're getting xp

[jagged citrus]

afaik cfoam portion just means "each charge with the foam launcher consumes a smaller % of your tool"

[worthy flicker]

Tbh it took 100 hours for me to actually appreciate Hel Shotgun, I totally get why newer players don't like it.

[fossil horizon]

Or assist

[jagged citrus]

its so different from the other main weapons

like all the others are jack of all trades weapons, to a degree

and hel shotty pigeonholes you into close range fuck this guy in particular

[honest parrot]

Nope
Not hel auto or the pistols in general

[jagged citrus]

or i suppose fuck this crowd of guys in particular

[slender flare]

As someone told me once
"hel shotgun is a special weapon in the main weapon slot"

[jagged citrus]

its pretty similar to combat shotty

[fossil horizon]

Hel shotgun bad

[honest parrot]

no it gud

[worthy flicker]

I can see that ngl

[slender flare]

Yup

It's great for holding waves

[lost lynx]

Hel shotgun bad

[jagged citrus]

hel shotgun bad

[honest parrot]

Do you guys like hel auto?

[jagged citrus]

was that a sleepyboi take

[honest parrot]

like genuinely

[jagged citrus]

pistol or sentry

[honest parrot]

pistol

[wraith marsh]

No

[lost lynx]

Yes

I love it

[jagged citrus]

i really dont like it, no

the close range and lack of damage isnt fun for me

but i cant deny that it has big potential

[unreal crystal]

i REALLY like being a SUPPORT in this game

[jagged citrus]

just not the gun for me

[unreal crystal]

i love SUPPORTING my team

[honest parrot]

well I get why people don't like machine pistol then

[lost lynx]

Ok PDW user

[jagged citrus]

when will they add the gtfo support class

[unreal crystal]

im not really gonna SHOOT enemies very much, ill just stagger for my team!

[jagged citrus]

hey i dont use it anymore

damage nerf hit hard 😔

[lost lynx]

Too bad so sad

[jagged citrus]

i ran it in r2c1 a bit ago beacuse funny and i was like "wow i used to run this thing?"

[honest parrot]

like both hel pistol and machine pistol need you to be sawed off range for no falloff

[slender flare]

Me fr

[jagged citrus]

keep yourself safe

[lost lynx]

Womp womp bitch

[fossil horizon]

Yes my hel auto shotgun sniper sentry works fine

[jagged citrus]

L + ratio + no bitches + ur short + bad at gtfo

[jagged citrus]

who needs flexibility anyway

[lost lynx]

Damn
You are right in all of those except the short one

[jagged citrus]

arent you like 5'10

[lost lynx]

193cm

Idk feet

[jagged citrus]

whats that in freedom units

[lost lynx]

Like

6'3?

[ocean birch]

ok, so I found out 2 things. I got a few good shots when they just rounded the corner, but because I am alone with no bots, no one can catch the enemies I don't get and I need to shoot them, and then I don't get good pierce because they will spread out too much. and then I died after wave 2 becuase I got stuck dealing with hybrids that were straggling in so I only had 1 minute to clear the room and get the code, in miust terminal of course, so I got the code as the wave restarted and had no turret ammo and no resources

[jagged citrus]

im 6'3 too

short

[lost lynx]

Mother

[ocean birch]

so it's not a great setting for practice

[jagged citrus]

was this with sr?

[lost lynx]

Sucker

[ocean birch]

hel rifle

curious how well I could survive with short rifle actually

[jagged citrus]

against hybrids?

[honest parrot]

Yeah
Cause it doesn't make you learn lineups

You could probs do just as well with the other rifles

[jagged citrus]

listen i can maybe see defending short rifle against small enemies, but against hybrids thats a different story

[ocean birch]

it melts them

giants die in 2 seconds

[jagged citrus]

if you get into ass kissing distance then perhaps yeah

[honest parrot]

are you using macro

[ocean birch]

to short rifle

[lost lynx]

Short rifle?

[honest parrot]

You're using macro aren't you

[ocean birch]

yes

[slender flare]

he's a short rifle fanboy /j

[lost lynx]

With macro?

[ocean birch]

otherwise it sucks ass

[lost lynx]

Bro

[unreal crystal]

i hope you guys realise who this is

if you havent yet

[lost lynx]

Thats cheating

[lost lynx]

Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this is like the most broken weapon in the game but it feels like horse shot to use because to use it yo its full potential you literally need to be superhuman, able to click 20 times per second. This is where the macro comes in. You create a macro that when you hold a button, it clicks really fast, mimicking full auto. Don't go overboard with the firing speed. I set mine to fire somewhere between 5 and 10 per second, similar to the assault rifle. Then you bind that button to your most accessible mouse button.

Now you have a weapon that is the most generally ammo efficient in the game with the normal semi auto and then when you switch to full auto, it has up to the highest dps in the game, each bullet dealing more than twice of what the assault rifle does, still with a huge ammo capacity.

The only drawbacks are the somewhat hard to control recoil and half stagger, yet remember it still staggers more per bullet than the assault rifle and pretty much always staggers on heashot. Its also not super great for sniping shooters with early fall off. Deletes both strikers and giants though

[honest parrot]

??

[jagged citrus]

pablo i told you 💀

[ocean birch]

shh

[honest parrot]

who

[slender flare]

HAHA

[jagged citrus]

he's the guy who made that reddit post

[unreal crystal]

that is the guy who made the reddit post

[jagged citrus]

the legends tell of him

[lost lynx]

cough cough

[jagged citrus]

they foretold his arrival

[honest parrot]

wut

[unreal crystal]

the diehard short rifle fan

[honest parrot]

I don't get it

[jagged citrus]

to spread the good word of Short Rifle to the uneducated masses

[lost lynx]

THE GUY THAT MADE THIS

Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this is like the most broken weapon in the game but it feels like horse shot to use because to use it yo its full potential you literally need to be superhuman, able to click 20 times per second. This is where the macro comes in. You create a macro that when you hold a button, it clicks really fast, mimicking full auto. Don't go overboard with the firing speed. I set mine to fire somewhere between 5 and 10 per second, similar to the assault rifle. Then you bind that button to your most accessible mouse button.

Now you have a weapon that is the most generally ammo efficient in the game with the normal semi auto and then when you switch to full auto, it has up to the highest dps in the game, each bullet dealing more than twice of what the assault rifle does, still with a huge ammo capacity.

The only drawbacks are the somewhat hard to control recoil and half stagger, yet remember it still staggers more per bullet than the assault rifle and pretty much always staggers on heashot. Its also not super great for sniping shooters with early fall off. Deletes both strikers and giants though

[slender flare]

the copyast-

[jagged citrus]

that copypasta is a reddit post. written by arth

[slender flare]

HAHA

I CAN'T

[jagged citrus]

just give it a minute

itll click in golden's head eventually

[lost lynx]

Golden ls a bit slow today

[jagged citrus]

has to boot up his brain ram first

[lost lynx]

The CPU aint working

[fossil horizon]

Guys you killed him

[true pilot]

lmao

[slender flare]

he needs a second

he'll be fine

[true pilot]

probably

[lost lynx]

This is what happens when You use an HDD instead of an SSD

[slender flare]

or do we start funds for the funeral

[fossil horizon]

Guys emergency make a technical support poll for reboot

[true pilot]

Brain reboot

[lost lynx]

@true pilot

You suck

[true pilot]

No u

reboot your brain

[slender flare]

someone make a pool if he's still alive /j

[jagged citrus]

guys

he's not talking in chat anymore

[lost lynx]

@true pilot You use Hel shotgun

[jagged citrus]

golden's head short circuited 😔

[true pilot]

He’s fucking dead

[true pilot]

no

[slender flare]

what have we done 😭

[true pilot]

hel shotty sucks =)

[jagged citrus]

im gonna shove the hel shotgun up your ass

[lost lynx]

Sleepy would approve

[true pilot]

rip gold, forever in our hearts

[true pilot]

im his alt so i would know

[lost lynx]

MODS

[jagged citrus]

can was get some in chat for the late goldenshooter360

[lost lynx]

BAN HIM

[true pilot]

[jagged citrus]

[true pilot]

Rest in frog

[slender flare]

[true pilot]

Wtf

[lost lynx]

Oh shit wrong emote

[true pilot]

alex

[jagged citrus]

do not stick that into the fog repeller

[true pilot]

how

lmao

[ocean birch]

clearing the blood door with short rifle was both faster and I took less damage, just saying

[lost lynx]

[jagged citrus]

than what?

[slender flare]

"screw you dead person"

[jagged citrus]

hel rifle?

[jagged citrus]

"dead? skill issue"

[ocean birch]

yeah

[true pilot]

shouldnt have died son

[jagged citrus]

always remember, son

[rose nova]

no way that's the short rifle person right

[jagged citrus]

dying is GAY

[slender flare]

it is

[rose nova]

there's no way

[true pilot]

seems to be

the prophecy was true

[rose nova]

jesus christ kdmskd

[slender flare]

also goldenshooter is dead

[burnt flume]

if i really wanted i could clear the blood door with bullpup and sniper and take less damage than hel revo burst cannon

[jagged citrus]

if you just fought it head on i could see that, but if you fall back and get stuff to funnel in a straight line id have to imagine hel rifle clears better

[junior latch]

That rly just sounds like you play differently with it unless you just full macrod 80% of your bullets

Hel rifle just falls back and shoots stuff

[jagged citrus]

it is as the legends foretold

the arrival of prophet

of the holy Short Rifle

[slender flare]

reminds me of me being like a shelling nano fan once

[true pilot]

they hated him because he told them the truth

[true pilot]

you are a what now

[modern coral]

Arbalist is still worse than SR

[junior latch]

sniper only with melee r3d1 was certainly a showcase that its better than normal loadouts since it was faster than most pubs 👀

[modern coral]

just saying

[ocean birch]

I do play differently with it of course, it's a very different weapon. I did kinda mostly macro with it because there were so many enemies

[slender flare]

I was

[jagged citrus]

i mean who really cares, short rifle with a macro is fun lmao
if you enjoy it, and you find success, dont let us stop you

[ocean birch]

so I can just kinda spray into a horde and they just kinda die

[honest parrot]

This reminds me of the time I got baited into a twitch stream

[jagged citrus]

whats the short rifle reload cancel? like 1.8s?

[slender flare]

NO WAY

[true pilot]

holy shit you lived

[jagged citrus]

GOLDENSHOOTER LIVES

[burnt flume]

again, most of this is probably stemming from a lack of combat experience

[jagged citrus]

HIS BRAIN FINISHED PROCESSING

[ocean birch]

short rifle reload is not bad

[rose nova]

no one tell em that machinegun is short rifle but with 10 times the stagger more mag and a reload that can be hyper cut off

[jagged citrus]

NO MORE

[rose nova]

yeah that's like it's only positive

[burnt flume]

wait, wait. I've heard this one before

[rose nova]

if it was god jesus fuck kfmsk

[jagged citrus]

i mean the reload can be like halved but its still like 2 seconds

[ocean birch]

1.1 sec

[unreal crystal]

so true

[jagged citrus]

the reload definitely holds machinegun back

[true pilot]

why are god and jesus fucking

[jagged citrus]

like who thought that a fucking 4 second reload on that gun was a good idea lmao

[rose nova]

it's not 2 seconds- the veruta not the arbalist

[jagged citrus]

isnt veruta reload cancel still like 2s?

[rose nova]

is it 2 seconds?

[ocean birch]

you mean short rifle is machine gun with twice the reload speed, much easier to control recoil and most importantly no charge up?

[modern coral]

Reload, charge-up, and RoF hold Arbalist back pretty hard.

[jagged citrus]

huh

1.75s

according to the wiki

@rose nova

[junior latch]

Arbalist just needs 8-10 dmg

[rose nova]

yeah but u need an external program to even run it, the recoils barely noticeable on veruta even if u hipfire it and have a lil bit of control

[ocean birch]

like the low stagger of short rifle only matters when you miss

[jagged citrus]

yeah but with less damage stagger and half the clip

[junior latch]

way more interesting gun

[true pilot]

And a gun that needs macro which some would say is cheating (im some)

[rose nova]

hah

[graceful geode]

Just give all guns PEN, done, game balanced.

[unreal crystal]

does not need macro

[jagged citrus]

this just in, solution to short rifle being bad is "just dont miss"

[modern coral]

6.5 (6.6?) is already pretty interesting, imo.

[unreal crystal]

idk why people keep saying this

[modern coral]

Just buff the ammo

[jagged citrus]

@ocean birch how many cps is ur macro?

[modern coral]

it's still not that good, tbh, though.

[junior latch]

Well yea

I just think 8-10 sets it clearly apart

[true pilot]

tell me its a good gun without micro

[ocean birch]

sure, if you don't use a macro I agree short rifle sucks ass

[unreal crystal]

its better than arbalist without macro

[jagged citrus]

arby :(

[modern coral]

8 I think is a fair value, tbh.

[unreal crystal]

doesnt make it a good gun

[true pilot]

Rip arby

[slender flare]

cubix is talking about cheating by using macro

[ocean birch]

let me check

[junior latch]

When the player is rly good yea

Arbalist has a way lower ceiling

but its easier to get static value out of

not that it gets much value…

[true pilot]

atleast it has a cool reload animation

[rose nova]

no way the actual short rifle defender is in chat i can't believe it lol

[ocean birch]

40 ms between shots

I think

it doesn't feel that fast

[rose nova]

u must love the machinepistol

[jagged citrus]

25 cps?

jesus

[honest parrot]

I do

[slender flare]

someone write this down in GTFO history books

[latent palm]

why are silk songs

[jagged citrus]

ok yeah that might be cheating

[latent palm]

tee hee

[honest parrot]

I like machine pistol

[true pilot]

we will never escape weapon discussions

[jagged citrus]

if it was like 5-10 cps you could argue that you can achieve that with normal clicking

[rose nova]

u were not the reciever of my message but thanks

[true pilot]

At this point just add silksong to your name

[jagged citrus]

hell, i can get 10cps with butterfly

[latent palm]

you got it

[ocean birch]

I had it at 50 ms before, but I thought it was too slow

[true pilot]

leave butterflies alone, what did they do to deserve this

[modern coral]

I still don't think macro SR out-performs other spam weapons, frankly.

i.e. shotguns and pen spam.

[rose nova]

it makes it run out of ammo at record speed- that's true

[jagged citrus]

if you have to artifically increase a guns firerate to 25 per second, when its supposed to be semi auto, i think that gun could possibly use a buff lmao

[jagged citrus]

im gonna butterfly click all over them and you cant stop me'

[ocean birch]

I don't think it actually shoots one bullet every 40 ms, I think it might be one every 80 ms so it shoots once every two cycles

[jagged citrus]

doesnt it have like 1500rpm

[slender flare]

honestly GTFO devs wouldn;t really balance a gun around using macro

[junior latch]

Yea not rly

[ocean birch]

it doesn't shoot 25 bullets per second

[jagged citrus]

yeah 1500 rpm

which is...

[honest parrot]

Is short rifle macro just like spamming the revolver

[jagged citrus]

25 cps

[honest parrot]

And watching the barrel fly to the ceiling

[jagged citrus]

exactly

[modern coral]

No, Revo bloom is extremely large.

[junior latch]

No

[jagged citrus]

so with your macro you have maxed out the fire rate

[modern coral]

SR has very low bloom

[jagged citrus]

ostensibly

[mystic moss]

hi can i get a summary on the current gtfo chat lore

[slender flare]

i love to do that

[ocean birch]

it shoots 30 bullets slightly slower than the hammer charges

[unreal crystal]

short rifle discourse

[jagged citrus]

the guy who wrote the short rifle copypasta has arrived

[honest parrot]

And I died

[slender flare]

the short rifle defender is here

[honest parrot]

But I came back

[slender flare]

jesus

[mystic moss]

short rifle is cracked though

[jagged citrus]

goldenshooter rest in

[mystic moss]

you guys are just ass at the game

[jagged citrus]

REAL

[ocean birch]

no but like

imagine being me

[rose nova]

that per the 200 bullet it has it means it disposed entirely of its ammo in less than 30 seconds of continue shooting
something like that

that's so wonderful

[ocean birch]

all I wanted to do was hshare my discovery and newfound love of the short rifle

[jagged citrus]

hey

[mystic moss]

hel gun users can't do shit when mom births and the babies are all spread out

[jagged citrus]

we're all memeing lmao

[ocean birch]

and then I get bullied to hell

[jagged citrus]

do as you please

[mystic moss]

they just die after firing 9 bullets

[jagged citrus]

the point of a video game is to have fun

[honest parrot]

I mean I like machine pistol

[mystic moss]

short rifle can shoot 30 babies before dying

[jagged citrus]

if you have fun wtih short rifle

then use the short rifle

simple as

<3

[honest parrot]

You have it much better

[slender flare]

i like the burst pistol

[rose nova]

i mean it's not newfound

[ivory pier]

hel gun users when its combat that actually restricts where you fight

[rose nova]

that copypaste has been around long enough i don't think it's newfound love anymore

[mystic moss]

oh shit can we bring back the hel gun vs machine gun debate

[ocean birch]

you know, it gets a massive amount of ammo per refill. it's another advantage it has

[ivory pier]

[ocean birch]

which is great

[jagged citrus]

machine gun is better because budda budda budda budda budda

[ocean birch]

because you can spend it so fast

[honest parrot]

oh hey its gura alt

hello there

[ivory pier]

a

[honest parrot]

did you go to the concert?

[unreal crystal]

short rifle is just a fun weapon

i can understand wanting to use it

[slender flare]

same about burst pistol my beloved

[unreal crystal]

feels fun holding waves of smalls vs it

[jagged citrus]

it is fun

[unreal crystal]

it just kinda falls off everywhere else

[ivory pier]

all the concerts so far away

[modern coral]

Incredibly bad weapon w/ a very high skill cap.

[ivory pier]

RAHHHH

[jagged citrus]

dropping 25 cps and magdumping into a hybrid is fun lmao

is that a gura pfp

[mystic moss]

idk i think i can wave clear better with short rifle than arbalist

[unreal crystal]

i def can

[ocean birch]

it sure is

[honest parrot]

bloom?

[jagged citrus]

arbalist i think is worse at waveclear because of the chargeup, but while charged up i think it cleans house better than short rifle

imo

idk i never use either of those guns lmao

[unreal crystal]

arbalist is so fucking sluggish

[honest parrot]

I thought it recovers quick

[rose nova]

at least arbalist is an auto

[modern coral]

It does recover quickly, but it grows at an excessive rate.

[ocean birch]

someone said short rifle is worse with macro, but like you can literally just use it without when you want and then use macro to mag dump a giant in 2 sec

[fresh jacinth]

arbalist sucks as a reactive weapon but if you're just holding a line it works pretty dang well from my experience

[ivory pier]

it depends on what you care about i guess

[modern coral]

if you fire two shots back to back, your second shot is going very high above where you aim.

[jagged citrus]

if you cant control it during the macro its worse cuz you just spam all your ammo into the wall

[ivory pier]

its very simple not to get hit at all from a very large wave right in front of you with arbalist

[ocean birch]

you can contropl it. It's easier than HAR

and easier than Veruta

[jagged citrus]

the main problem with arbalist is that veruta does everything arbalist does better

[junior latch]

btw can i steal anyone for some stupid r7d1 testing?

[ivory pier]

maybe it will take longer to kill them

but does it matter

maybe

[mystic moss]

what's the benefit of macro'ing short rifle?

just killing giants way faster?

[jagged citrus]

more damage

[fresh jacinth]

out of genuine curiosity, like what

[rose nova]

fun fact short rifle doesn't have the damage to kill a hybrid within one mag from bodyshots- u need a couple headshots

[jagged citrus]

or more dps, i should say

[ocean birch]

except not having horrible recoil of course

[jagged citrus]

i was like 80% joking

[unreal crystal]

yea basically

[mystic moss]

and even then, i wouldn't full mag dump into a giant with short rifle

[unreal crystal]

macroing the mom tumor

[junior latch]

dumping ammo into wave of smalls

[rose nova]

HAR has 30 bullets with 5 dmg so it has the exact damage to kill a hybrid within a mag with only bodyshots lol

[mystic moss]

i'd probably shoot 3 hel revos and then finish with short rifle or something

[jagged citrus]

idk in my mind both machineguns are waveclear guns, and i find veruta clears waves much better than arby does

[ocean birch]

but yeah short rifle recoil just goes straight up

[jagged citrus]

bigger clip, faster firing speed, more reserve ammo

more staggers

[ocean birch]

so you literally just pull your mouse down as you're shooting

[ivory pier]

you can also macro a small burst

[ocean birch]

and it's basically nonexistent

[ocean birch]

this too

[pine root]

No one

[ocean birch]

unlike charge up weaopons

[pine root]

Does it tho

[ocean birch]

you can do burst fire

[ivory pier]

i did

?

[fresh jacinth]

for some reason I'm way more inaccurate with veruta
somehow I can control arbalist a lot more and save ammo