gtfo-chat

[quasi spruce]

just casually playing

[rose nova]

i mean yes but cause hel gun it's like explicitly made to be flexible

[quasi spruce]

i was playing at geforcenow at first but i was so frustrated with deeper i bought a gaming pc

lol

[slender flare]

I see,

[rose nova]

lmao same

i know that pain

very well

[slender flare]

there's a way worse version of deeper in this game

:)

[rose nova]

eh it appears so later on ur good at that point

[slender flare]

depends on the order they play tbh

[quasi spruce]

at first i was using some riffles then i notice most of the youtube vids i watch are using carbine

[rose nova]

ah yes from r1 to r5

[slender flare]

i went straight for R4B2 on my firs game

(i regret it)

[slender flare]

carabine is a good weapon, no downsides really

[rose nova]

carbines just a really easy to use main yeah
but rifle should be pretty fine as well- mains are mostly just preference, the 'chose for the level' ones are more so on special

with a few exceptions of course

[rose nova]

well but that's on u

u goober

[quasi spruce]

yeah i notice that some levels requires cfoam

[slender flare]

i'd say stick to what you like, but sometimes pick the best option if you're stuck on something

[slender flare]

not all of them, but some do sometimes

[quasi spruce]

im using carbine and shotgun right now

[slender flare]

i spent 8 hours there and i am traumatized

i swear

i have that expedition memorized

[rose nova]

yeah i mean guns in this game are just kinda preference and what u like-- so just try all the guns
and if u ever feel like they are dragging u sure u can ask for the ''meta'

[slender flare]

yeah

[rose nova]

tools are just more so completely based on the level there isn't really a meta apart from just choosing the bio always

[slender flare]

for example i use pistols and revolvers the most, they're the best for me

[rose nova]

and burst sentry i guess

[slender flare]

Yes

this here

[quasi spruce]

also do you experience some lagging/flicker in game i felt like my mouse is not responding at some point but feels like lagging

[slender flare]

i do but that's my pc, from time to time i'll lag

[quasi spruce]

not sure if its related to my monitor which is only 60hz

[rose nova]

laggin in this game is usually just desync which means u see enemies moving weird and maybe not connecting to ur shots or melee so

[quasi spruce]

im on ryzen 7 7700 + 4070 super but i have a 4k monitor but only 60hz

[slender flare]

flex /j

[rose nova]

teehee

[quasi spruce]

not flexing just not sure about the setings

[slender flare]

Yeah, or you open lockers late

[quasi spruce]

i actually stop gaming my monitor is for work

[slender flare]

like after holding e, or locks don't come of and etc

[quasi spruce]

this is the first time again that im playing and find it weird that theres so much settings right now

yeah locks not opening

[slender flare]

after you hit them?

like delay?

[quasi spruce]

enemy already died but still alive for me

yes

[slender flare]

that's desync

[quasi spruce]

what settings do i need to do for that?

[rose nova]

that's not really settings that just ur connection to the host and it could be a number of things

[slender flare]

it's intenet issue

or rather connection

[rose nova]

like ur provider or simply the distance between u and the host

[slender flare]

can't do anything really

[quasi spruce]

i see

[rose nova]

try making someone else host, see if it helps

[quasi spruce]

thanks for that info

yeah it was worst when i was hosting

[slender flare]

desync can get worse or better depending on who's hosting

like the distance

different countries for example

see who in your team is the best and gives the least desync and go with that

[quasi spruce]

i enjoy this game at the same times stressing me

i hope to play with you guys in the future

ill probably practice more

[slender flare]

R6C3 will stress you for sure

if you don't know what to do

[slender flare]

I could play, whenever you have time and i'm awake

i'm always down

[quasi spruce]

i was so stressed with deeper

we have used all the boosters just for that sector

[slender flare]

Good luck with the worse version, or some other hard early levels

or the well, harder ones

or the ones that require peak performance

you have a looong journey ahead of you

[quasi spruce]

with our current phase i think it will take months to finsih this

i mean pace

[slender flare]

i have 300 hours and i still have things to do lol

there's no rush

take your time

just enjoy the chaos

kill some sleepers

[quasi spruce]

enjoy watching those guys who speed run on youtube

[slender flare]

we have speedrunners in this server too

i personaly don't find spedruning as something for me but it is nice to watch it sometimes

[shut vapor]

Speedrunners are CRINGE!!!!!

Oops

My cat send that

[slender flare]

YEAH SURE

[junior latch]

Considering you said youve only done R1, none of the levels in R1 (aside from A1) even favour cfoam as a tool

[slender flare]

some levels that are good with some c-foam

hm... maybe R4D2?

[upper loom]

C2?

foam helps a lot on C"

there's so much tool to use

[slender flare]

what was R1C2 about

the PID's?

[junior latch]

Cfoam is decent on C2, but id personally prefer other stuff. C2 overall doesnt rly favour anything

[quasi spruce]

we had to use cfoam on deeper

[graceful geode]

PDs

[slender flare]

oh so i was right

[quasi spruce]

for the 2nd security alarm

[graceful geode]

But yeah R1 ain't really nice on Cfoam aside from R1A1

[slender flare]

I love mines

[junior latch]

Uuuuh
O.o how

[graceful geode]

To be fair I'd say it's still usable on R1C2 and R1B1

[quasi spruce]

r1c2 is decoder?

[graceful geode]

yes

[quasi spruce]

the punk aliens?

[junior latch]

yes
Just not favoured

[slender flare]

i mean C-foam can help new people a lot

bno matter where

[junior latch]

If done right lol

floor foam is such a waste

[slender flare]

they don't really understand the game that much

[junior latch]

another sentry simply does more

[slender flare]

agreed

it's mostly for doors

[graceful geode]

PID=Personal ID, PD=Password Decrypter or shit like that, but they're basically both "stuff you find in lockers and boxes"

[shut vapor]

If it works, it works

[quasi spruce]

how about sentry? is sniper sentry the best one?

[junior latch]

Burst sentry

[slender flare]

OH i thought it was the PID search one

[quasi spruce]

we usually do 1 sniper 2 burst

and bio tracker

[slender flare]

without bio, take burst, with bio it's good but if you have a lot of small enemies take burst

[junior latch]

For r1c1/r1d1 that would be a pretty good loadout

[junior latch]

You always take bio lol

[slender flare]

it's great for big ones but falls off to burst with smaller groups

[slender flare]

I am not like other people

[junior latch]

Theres 1 mission in this game where with prior knowledge bio might unironically not be the best choice

[shut vapor]

r/notlikeothergirls

[slender flare]

ah yes

[shut vapor]

:D

[slender flare]

i just didn't take it once in a duo run

[junior latch]

duo is different

[slender flare]

since we needed firepower

[slender flare]

well yes

[junior latch]

same for solo

or speedruns

[slender flare]

i duo a lot

[junior latch]

im talking 4 man standard play

[slender flare]

i see

then yes take bio

the red triangles of death thingy

[junior latch]

r8a2sec is the only time i feel like skipping it might be the best choice (only with prior knowledge of the level tho)

and the loadout id take then is stupid af

[slender flare]

R8A2 secondary scares me

[graceful geode]

shouldn't

[slender flare]

it feels like an entierly different expedition on it's own

[junior latch]

wear your xs jacket and weep btw

[graceful geode]

it's piss easy until the last part and you can abuse the cap on the scout waves to piss on that too

[junior latch]

well it is

[slender flare]

i spent like 24 tries on it because one person would always die

[junior latch]

Not a long one tho

[quartz cape]

🤓 👆 erm... its partial decoder.
please check next time before spreading misinformation...

[shut vapor]

PDEC***

[graceful geode]

I'd answer with a :me:

[junior latch]

Tbh
You can simply kill all enemies/scouts. Then start the error, stand on left side in the big room and let them come close. Then run around the right side

Its so stupidly simple

[slender flare]

yeah i'm talking about the last part

[graceful geode]

Man of the Mountain man mister mountain ⛰️

[slender flare]

that's where everythign falls apart

[slender flare]

...oh

;-;

[quasi spruce]

whats the best way to kill scout?

melee?

[slender flare]

depends if we're talking about silent or loud

[junior latch]

hammer to the head (silent)
Any gun that kills it (not silent)

[slender flare]

usually you'd want to meele

[graceful geode]

You can do that or you can make the scout waves spawn before starting error since they spawn normals and are much easier to kite

[junior latch]

charge, sprint at scout, jump+hit

Be careful about sleeping enemies on the way

[graceful geode]

Do I count as a sleeping enemy on the way?

[slender flare]

because sometimes you need to shoot the scout, to make things easier

[junior latch]

i dont even think they are easier to kite
Easier to run through, yes

Also giants spawning is more annoying than the nightmares imo

[quasi spruce]

i saw in a youtube vid you can jsut deploy a sniper senty for the scout

[junior latch]

plus youd have to deal with at least 2 N-scouts sleepo

[quasi spruce]

and it will not alert the other ones

[junior latch]

Which is WAAAAAY scarier

[junior latch]

Sniper sentries (as all sentries) have a specific alert range

[graceful geode]

eh, you run, I'd get the argument for pulling all 5 of them

[junior latch]

Honestlx @quasi spruce id recommend checking this video

#guides-and-reviews message

[slender flare]

Imagine if nightmare scouts could spawn nightmare giants

[junior latch]

If you pull all 5, you will have people down quite often

[quasi spruce]

will do

[graceful geode]

yeah just leave 2 alive to pull

[junior latch]

yes. But its still simpler to kill all and run a semi circle once

[graceful geode]

I never did it that way so I'll take your word on that

[junior latch]

it just requires killing all scouts

Which is why triple foam launcher and mines is funnily enough kinda optimal

[quasi spruce]

seems like its really a long way for me lol

[junior latch]

yep

[graceful geode]

By the way

want your opinion on "the canonical way" #lfg-western-europe message

[shut vapor]

Optimal schmoptimal

[shut vapor]

In canon they would be stealthy

[junior latch]

theyd shoot up rooms that seem to much of a risk to stealth

[graceful geode]

The backstory is, he posted before, always on lfg western, I took the liberty of seeing that he had 100ish hours already so I figured he wanted to just finish maps and stuff

[junior latch]

every non error alarm start youd query EVERYTHING with the terminal

how much ammo do we get? Can we shoot regarding this info?

[graceful geode]

He disconnected (no idea if he just quitted or crashed) but I had the impression he didnt like how I was playing

But dang just tell me to go slower and I'll go slower

or post on beginners I guess

[junior latch]

Ive had 2 people (who played together) quit on me and another guy in the 3rd room of r6c1

We walk cleared (not even sprinting) a room with ~6-8 enemies

[quartz cape]

i couldnt imagine going slow since im a speedrunner now

[graceful geode]

I'll always remember when I killed 1 striker slowly approaching it crouched and someone accused me of "being in a rush"

[near stag]

So, If you Play as Woods, is it canonically acurate to rip your Shirt Off and begin blasting in every room?

[graceful geode]

🏔️ I always tell them that I dont speedrun and that speedrunners are way faster than I am

Which is the truth

[quartz cape]

used to be true for me until i got my 1b world record

[raw shard]

Can't believe you would steal kills

I need my stats to look good at the end of the match

[graceful geode]

1b?

[quartz cape]

yeah, 1B

[graceful geode]

1 Billion?

[quartz cape]

no, 1B

the first level of B tier

[graceful geode]

🤔

[quartz cape]

smh #gtfo-media message

[graceful geode]

That old pre-alpha menu was so fucking good

[quartz cape]

pre-alpha?

[graceful geode]

That video reminds me of a video darkemperor has

Which is of some super-fucking old build of the game

ah wait you're being sarcastic again and I'm not getting the joke

Why did they get rid of non-quicktime event lock puzzles anyway?

Puzzling choice

[honest parrot]

man lfg is dead right now

I haven't seen 1 in voice in... well, ever

[trim sail]

the game may be dead

but our spirits live on

for warden, we fight

💀

[graceful geode]

To be fair it is

[slender flare]

yeah

[graceful geode]

R8 released when, December 2023?

[trim sail]

are we living ahead of time ?

[slender flare]

not even a year ago huh

[brittle schooner]

game 2 hard

[burnt flume]

yet so much has happened since then

[brittle schooner]

i think if the tutorial was better game would have way more players, it just straight up doesnt teach u practically anything, and most peeps dont like wandering around the dark

[trim sail]

doesn't teach you anything ? I'm confused

[brittle schooner]

also amount of players whom i see quit after losing 2 hours of progress on a mission is alot

[lost lynx]

Unfortunate

Thats the GTFO experience

[trim sail]

well.. tbf

they clearly state it on the main steam store page.

it's an extreme hardcore co-op game

[brittle schooner]

well anything is a bit of an exaggeration, but unless u actively seek the information u wont know about half the mechanics dis games have

[trim sail]

to me, sounds like a player issue, not coming from the devs themselves

[graceful geode]

I think the tutorial is not really the issue tbh, the issue is that some people really do not want to learn (and thus they dont ask NOR do any research).

[quasi spruce]

the 1st sector would make you assume there is a checkpoint everytime

lol

[lost lynx]

YEAH

Finality someone gets My point

[trim sail]

this is the key point

[lost lynx]

All this time

[honest parrot]

I mean I hate that bloody checkpoint

[graceful geode]

If someone's struggling playing a game, just look up a guide

[honest parrot]

Why is there a checkpoint there

[lost lynx]

That Checkpoint kills the expectations of the game

[honest parrot]

yeah

[graceful geode]

But people dont even want to do that

[lost lynx]

It's so stupid

[magic escarp]

You get taught about checkpoints that don't exist for most missions

But noone tells you about scout

kek

[quasi spruce]

seems like that checkpoint was an initiative then later on they decided lets crap the checkpoint hahaha

[lost lynx]

That too

[magic escarp]

You have to rely on fucking subtitle-less voicelines from the players to know it's the tentacles that triggers it

like, yay...

[graceful geode]

This is also a bit puzzling to be honest, at that point just add checkpoints to all of R1 so people get eased

[honest parrot]

wish that was what happened

Instead you get one checkpoint

[lost lynx]

They added the checkpoint so free weekend people didnt had a hard time
Yet i saw 2 hours clear of R1A1

🫃

[magic escarp]

yikes

[graceful geode]

On the other hand then they'd get stuck on R2

or whatnot

[honest parrot]

ye

[magic escarp]

man

if someone finishes all of R1

They would get the hang of the game

and at that point R2 would be approachable

[lost lynx]

Until E1

[trim sail]

well... i think it should be "finish the level by themselves" would be more meaningful

[honest parrot]

without expliots or someone bringing a perfect booster on board

[brittle schooner]

well i dont completly disagree, but i still think the tutorial can be a bit more (like having a scout in there and having the voice over telling u to melee it in the head would be good), but is just what i think anyways, at the end of the day is not a game for everyone ofc

[honest parrot]

And just carries you through it

[trim sail]

cuz I see a f*ck tons of carried lazy ass with over 100 hours, still acting like a noob

[graceful geode]

I dont really think that's 100% true. There's people that just play way too slow, safe, and end up taking hours upon hours stealthing a room, and they'd be able to do that for R1.

[quasi spruce]

i just didint bother focusing on the tutorial and start doing sector 1

i did 10mins of sector 1 to test

[magic escarp]

I started with R7 anyway

yay

[honest parrot]

rundown 1 you mean?

or A1

[magic escarp]

There defo are, but if you don't gain any confidence after the whole rundown, then damn

[honest parrot]

what's a sector anyways

[trim sail]

don't people set out a simple theory or plan on what are they gonna do to learn more about the game ? This has been driving me nuts for a long time

[lost lynx]

No

[burnt flume]

a sector = 1 objective, I believe

[magic escarp]

What the fuck

No I play the game I don't theorycraft

[trim sail]

then how do you learn ?

[graceful geode]

No, this is the age of horde shooters where you turn your brain off unless you put HAZARD 500 where every enemy suddenly one-shots you

[burnt flume]

you learn passively

[magic escarp]

by playing the game?

[quasi spruce]

after finishing deeper on rundown 1 we were able to do some speed runs on small minions on r1b1 and b2

[lost lynx]

I learn with the "random bullshit, go"

[burnt flume]

and you learn to play better by practicing through playing the game

[trim sail]

that's my point ? Setting a theory on what could happen ? Then learn from it ?

[graceful geode]

It's bizzare to me how many games are going the "two way" route where 1 difficulty is unreasonably punishing and the other is incredibly boring and dull

It perhaps reflects many trends of our society

[magic escarp]

I am 14 and ur mom is deep

[lost lynx]

Hot

[burnt flume]

people are not going to enact the scientific method to learn in videogames

[trim sail]

Just make a simple example: you fire a single bullet , then a horde swarm you. You learn that shooting isn't a good idea...

[burnt flume]

they are going to look at guides, be taught by others, or just go about their way and maybe improve over time

[trim sail]

not rocket sciene or something lmao

[burnt flume]

sometimes you get people who will be actively thinking about their gameplay situations and whether they made the correct play (this is me nowadays)

the maybe improving over time was me in the past

[magic escarp]

tbf it requires a bit of gamesense to adequately gauge wether you did the correct play or not

[magic escarp]

This

I just learnt by playing with people

And listening

[burnt flume]

precisely

[graceful geode]

From my experience back when I helped newbies a lot, most people just read "from the makers of Payday" and expected spooky Payday where you shoot monsters underground (most trailers show A LOT of Loud action).

Because that's what people want nowadays

[magic escarp]

I would indeed not be interested in a 30 seconds portion of red light green light

[burnt flume]

after getting a bit of help from being around hani 4 months ago for r4e1 speeds, I started thinking about my own gameplay more and I can assess my plays better and figure out what's good and what's not

[graceful geode]

If 10cc ever does GTFO 2, I expect it to be a lot more like Vermintide.

[trim sail]

... hm

Vermintide huh

[graceful geode]

horde shooter with melee

It sells and that's what every corporation wants

[trim sail]

I know what Vermintide is, and i deleted it 1 year ago cuz of motion sickness lol

but it's a good co-op game overall

It's just i can't handle the ancient english used in the game.

[junior latch]

Gtfo isnt very accessable

Having a tutorial that hand holds you through all the mechanics is 1 way to ease that. Another would be to teach things that are incredibly helpful but not everything

In the end people need to want to understand things and not turn their brain off when it comes to challenging games

Too many „i love challenging games“ players that dont actually like the challenge, but just the „bragging right“

[trim sail]

I rely on those voicelines a lot

[graceful geode]

Remember, videogames are a particular type of good. As along as you get to sell, then it doesn't matter much about how many have fun with it, and I dont think a lot of people bother refunding.

GTFO kept me entertained for 2k hours. If someone bought it, played it once, never refunded. From 10cc perspective we're both equal.

[trim sail]

😳

[graceful geode]

It's why you see so many "early access" little shits that then suddenly go 1.0 after putting like 20-25% extra content compared to release.

[trim sail]

gimme back my money...

[graceful geode]

It's just how it works: it doesn't matter much if X bought the candy bar and ate only half of it, or if he bought it and ate it in 5 seconds. It's a candybar, when it got sold it made its money.

An argument could be made wether or not X is going to suggest the candybar, but for videogame IMHO that ain't as relevant.

[quasi spruce]

sorry i got confused what do you actually call the subs under a rundown

is it call section or sectors

[graceful geode]

Expeditions

Technically... then again I call them maps.

[quasi spruce]

oh yeah expeditions 😄

[trim sail]

level for ease...

[graceful geode]

Sectors are usually referred to Secondary/Overload, and that's only from R4 to R8.

[trim sail]

Expedition sounds too formal. A journey to hell, it is

[junior latch]

Expedition

Or level/mission/maps

[magic escarp]

Rundowns (R1->R7) -> Tier (A,B,C,D,E) -> Expeditions (1,2,3,4) -> Sectors (primary, secondary, overload)

I think it's layers right?

[junior latch]

Tier >> layer

[magic escarp]

Alright I like tier

edited

[junior latch]

layer is probably similarly used to maps/level etc

[graceful geode]

or onions

[junior latch]

its not weird to say at least

[trim sail]

onions ?

the heck ?

[magic escarp]

or ogres

@burnt flume available for game?

Imma LFG if I can't find squad I just try avoiding complete strangers 😭

[junior latch]

PUBS
LFG!

[trim sail]

i profoundly claim myself

as the best pub

😳

[junior latch]

[trim sail]

i can kite 1 striker in 1 hour

[magic escarp]

STRANGERS DANGERS, EVA

[burnt flume]

i can play 1 level then I gotta get lunch

[junior latch]

how often do you spread missinfo sen

On the tierlist missinfo spreader was S tier

[magic escarp]

can I be lunch so you play more

[burnt flume]

probably don't want to play a mission that's 90 minutes long at least

[magic escarp]

Yeah

[junior latch]

Ah i see
R8C2 speedruns it is

[burnt flume]

[trim sail]

misinfo wut ?

[junior latch]

Missinfo spreaders are the best pubs

[trim sail]

oh ok

don't know but

I haven't seen a misinfo spreader in pub

maybe i'm lucky ?

[raw shard]

Craziest thing I heard recently was the carbine was the worst primary

[magic escarp]

"malice"

[trim sail]

burst pistol laughing in the background

[junior latch]

pubs lowballing hel weapons and scatter at once was funny

[raw shard]

You're right was probably better used there

[trim sail]

wait, scattergun was lowball ?

interesting

[rose nova]

i recently heard slug shotgun has a higher skill ceiling than sawed off

that was very funny

and also that combat shotgun is a support weapon mostly for staggering

[trim sail]

hold up right there

combat shotgun, support weapon ?

[rose nova]

like autopistol

[quartz cape]

guys let’s have the support player discussion

[burnt flume]

I mean if you're fighting a wave of enemies, yeah combat shotgun should probably be staggering stuff

my favourite support loadout is autopistol scattergun

[rose nova]

yes but it's not uniquely a stagger weapon

ksks

[raw shard]

Just get better spread rng and one shot

[junior latch]

Sniper is a support weapon

[trim sail]

scattergun is the best support weapon

[junior latch]

Scattergun is a nuke

[raw shard]

All guns are support weapons for melee

[trim sail]

anyway, some weapons do better in their support role

but combat shotgun "mostly" for staggering ?

i'm shocked

[burnt flume]

in the golden goat days when I posted a clip of sleepy not being in scan everyone was pissed at how I was using hel shotgun

and i still don't know why

[junior latch]

??

Who was pissed

What

[trim sail]

... ?

[burnt flume]

well maybe not pissed but everyone was taken aback

[trim sail]

they didn't like your hel shotgun ?

[quartz cape]

I was pissed

[junior latch]

Who is this everyone

[rose nova]

was it when u were shooting it from afar

think i vaguely remember it

[burnt flume]

slendi said it was anxiety inducing, solace said it was lacking because why play stagger hel shotgun when your team aren't killing anything, quad agreed with solace

[quartz cape]

And they were all right 😎

[trim sail]

shut up mountain...

[burnt flume]

lmao looking at the loadouts

bullpup sniper

bullpup scatter

rifle revo

[quartz cape]

baller loadouts

[burnt flume]

honestly

i wish i was confident enough to take bullpup into r2e1

[trim sail]

am i wrong but, aren't they all slow reload loadouts...

[rose nova]

ah yeah the 70 meters hel shktfun
even if it is the play, it's still anxiety inducing

[quartz cape]

rifle revo is pretty quick

[rose nova]

there's like no denying that

[trim sail]

yeah, except for that one

[quartz cape]

yea the rest are slow af

[trim sail]

i forgot the rifle is pretty quick

[rose nova]

rifles reload it's not quick

it's not slow

it's a weird middle

[trim sail]

medium rare ?

[rose nova]

something like that

[burnt flume]

It wasn't that far of a distance

[rose nova]

it was from the center to the ramp idk

[quartz cape]

I don’t mind the distance at all I just hate Hel shotgun

[trim sail]

how...

could you hate it

[rose nova]

magic

[trim sail]

it's my sweet lovely baby in r2e1

you broke my heart

I'ma tell beep

[quartz cape]

I don’t remember but I bet I had a good reason when I started

Beep already knows

[burnt flume]

I don't enjoy using hel shotgun

[quartz cape]

He been knew

[quartz cape]

me neither

shit fires pellets in a spread so wide it’s a miracle any of them hit

And it sounds like it’s firing a box of cereal every time you pull the trigger

horrible weapon hope it gets removed

[trim sail]

remove burst pistol instead...

[quartz cape]

No

Epic den of wolves reference

[modern coral]

DRG and HD2 seem to manage difficulty fine? Unless you mean other games.

[daring ginkgo]

What is the gtfo Final chapter trailer, announced on gamescon? I thought game is fully released already

[junior latch]

its just a trailer for a bit of hype

[vernal nebula]

Extra marketing for people who haven’t played yet

[mint light]

test test

Hmmmm interesting

[near stag]

I find it so funny how the First Thing they Show after "Unlockable rewards" are cosmetics that you cant unlock anymore

[upper loom]

LMFAO

thats probably the best way ive heard anyone describe hel shotty

[mint light]

@coarse grail @graceful geode hows it rolling?

[mystic moss]

wtf he's back guys

can we checkpoint

[daring ginkgo]

False advertising

[mystic moss]

fomo goes hard

[near stag]

They should Bring them Back in the next Battlepass

[daring ginkgo]

Yes, let me donate for skins on character, while i can see only part of arms and legs

[mystic moss]

we never got the double robo hand cosmetic 😔

[near stag]

Ngl i Like the Robo arm, but Not the Jacket

Would be nice to See more of the arm and Not Just the wrist

[mystic moss]

yeah the jacket is a bit too puffy for my liking

wish they bothered to release more cosmetics since a bunch of them are just permutations of existing ones anyway

[jagged citrus]

hey guys whats with the gamescon trailer? is r9 coming?

[silver spade]

cope

[coarse grail]

Yooo welcome back

[mint light]

Luv you bruh

[coarse grail]

I'm a retired gtfo player now training to become an amateur deadlock player

Also I got a house and stuff

[mint light]

congrats m8 !!

[coarse grail]

Tyty 🙂

[mint light]

Glad to see it's going well 😃

[coarse grail]

How are things with you?

[full quarry]

Hello brethren

[mint light]

Good man, work is going smooth. Salary is going up. Little one is not so little anymore and has her dads character 😅 working on a second one, will see when that happens

Just came back from a 3 week holiday to france and swiss

[coarse grail]

Awesome, sounds nice on your end too, see anything in particular in your travels?

[mint light]

Oh we've seen the Elsass region (Eguisheim is chef's kiss). Zurich, Baden in Switserland. We did not go more to the South, to the Alps. That will be another time. Meaby together with Liechtenstein. make it one trip

[coarse grail]

Nice, not an area that I've been to before, did you fly over and then travel by train/car?

[latent palm]

OH

[mint light]

Nah. Car all the way

[latent palm]

IS THAT YOU?

[coarse grail]

Next holiday I'm on will probably be next year in either SEA or Greece

[latent palm]

dude

its been over a year

where have you been big man

[mint light]

Been busy m8

[mint light]

Nice, Greece is on the to do list as well. Only went to Krete so far.

SEA Def as it's my wife's hometurf 😅

[coarse grail]

A close friend is dating a girl from that area and learning Mandarin too so he'll probably be our guide for that trip 😛 I've been hearing a lot about the food and how cheap it is to live over there

If I go to Greece it will be to the historical and ruin areas, also have a guide for that one too xD

[mint light]

seems you have your guides well placed 😃

[mint light]

Yeah I try to learn her language as well. Step by step.

I'm off picking up the little one.

[coarse grail]

Aight, see you around, glad to hear you're well 🙂

[shut vapor]

Retired

[honest parrot]

mandarin huh?

how's that going

[graceful geode]

Nice!

🇫🇷

[honest parrot]

baguette?

[quartz cape]

haha he caved

[jagged citrus]

honhonhon oui oui baguette bonjour croissant fromage eiffel tower

[jagged citrus]

owie :(

[shut vapor]

I wonder if next year we'll get den of wolves merch fr

[jagged citrus]

can we get den of wolves underwear please

[shut vapor]

We already have gtfo themed toilet paper, next is den of wolves cutlery/kitchenware

[quasi spruce]

alsmost have finished decode just 80m and we all die hahaha

[jagged citrus]

which one is decode

is that r1c1

[lost lynx]

R1B2?

[rose nova]

decode is c2

[slender flare]

R1C2

[rose nova]

c1 is power hungry

b2 is the officer i think

[slender flare]

yes

B1 Is PID search i think

[rose nova]

yeah

and then- for the fun- d1 is deeper a1 is the admin

[slender flare]

no, it's reconect

power hungry is R6D3 I think

[rose nova]

ohhh

r1 just has those two worded names that almost never appear

so my brain thinks it's that

[slender flare]

Yup

R6D3 Is power hungry

[slender flare]

That's fine

I undertsnadf

since when did i complete R1C1 5 times

huh

by the way what is R6C2, i don't remember it at all

[rose nova]

c2 is three generators- sec between second and third which starts a 3 hybrids error every 45 secs or so

[graceful geode]

fog, mom, and hybrid error

[rose nova]

and first mom of r6

[pine root]

Cells raising fog mom hybrid error

[slender flare]

how fun

[rose nova]

it is kinda fun not that hard but fun

the hybrid error is nice

[graceful geode]

It's okay, only hard part is error

[slender flare]

everytime i hear "raising" fog i think of R4D2

[rose nova]

trauma

[slender flare]

yes

[graceful geode]

3 stay behind, 1 guy clears front, there's scouts but you can just pull all rooms and mine 1 by 1

[slender flare]

I see

good to know

[graceful geode]

you can also reverse it and do 3 push 1 kills hybrids

[slender flare]

i don't have a bit of R6 done

[graceful geode]

or 2-2, whatever

[graceful geode]

Only "hard" map is R6D3 PE rest is a breeze

[pine root]

Playing that section without the error

[rose nova]

u should it's one of the more fun- and not hard- rundowns

[pine root]

Is so silly

[rose nova]

feels like it would be like r4a2 main

very empty feeling lol

[slender flare]

for me others were hard too, i also got to say i really enjoyed R6D4

I'm guessing R6D3 Is hard because of secondary and overload right

[graceful geode]

I'd enjoy R6D4 too if it gave me maps in other dimensions

[rose nova]

mostly the fog of the overload

not really the secondary

[slender flare]

does it raise quickly?

[rose nova]

u can wipe in sec being very careless but it's not hard at least for me

quite the opposite it's very very slow but as the missions so long

if u take ur time by the time of the reactor ur engulfed

[graceful geode]

No, it's... a bit complex to explain.

[rose nova]

it's a very unique mission

[slender flare]

so it's different that R4D2

[rose nova]

way different

[graceful geode]

It has a gimmick were you need to split and 1 goes back stealthing while the rest defend from normal error.

[slender flare]

R6C3 flashbacks

[graceful geode]

You do that ONCE if you only do Main or TWICE if you do also Overload

[slender flare]

wait wasn't it just a reactor, get stuff and retrieve item

[slender flare]

what's in that error that you need 3 people to defend, that's scary

[graceful geode]

and yeah Overload raises fog but that ain't an issue until like the very last phase of reactor, and tbh you can do Overload last to make it easier at the cost of... I dont know, having to redo from scratch if you fuck up but who cares.

[graceful geode]

no it's just normal enemies

it's only that deactivating the alarm takes 1 person

[coarse grail]

I don't have as much time as I did before :/ +all my friends are playing deadlock

[graceful geode]

So you have the rest defending

[slender flare]

i see

[graceful geode]

well, first error is actually shadows

Overload error is normals

[slender flare]

i wanted to ask

if we do secondary, does the timer disable or stay?

when we get everything

[graceful geode]

it stays

[slender flare]

then why do overload then?

[graceful geode]

Basically, see it like this, you've 2 options

[slender flare]

last

collect ID's or die

or run

[coarse grail]

He is enjoying learning it, the tonal aspects of it seem to be the most difficult bits. I don't understand it at all but when he says small phrases it sounds impressive to me

[mint light]

You can't. Sec does not give a bulk key

[slender flare]

then why did sleepo say this

[mint light]

You have to do: ovl-main-sec or main- ovl- sec

[graceful geode]

1- You do Overload BEFORE selecting Main. Bad: you'll have fog and need to finish Secondary on a timer. Good: If you fail you get checkpoint at reactor beginning. 2- You do Overload AFTER reactor is on but BEFORE Secondary. Bad: You need to do Overload before timer runs out (put command in AFTER timer runs out, or it wont stop). Good: You get to do Reactor without fog, and no timer for Secondary.

[slender flare]

Wait since overload raises the fog until the main reactor is completed

if you do overload after main, does that mean it keeps rising or it never does?

[graceful geode]

I think it perhaps does but it doesn't matter at that point

you have no timer to finish Secondary, it's literally 3 zones with 1 scout each IIRC

[slender flare]

so you just turn on the reactor, do overload then reactor and secondary? (in the 2)

thi confuses me

[graceful geode]

no, in the two you do Main, finish reactor, finish Overload in 10mins or whatever, the command to stop error of Overload stops ALSO the wave of timer

[pine root]

You can have enough time to do secondary and overload in that block

without the surge deactivation

[shut vapor]

I'll never forget you

[slender flare]

it stops the secondary surge timer too?

[graceful geode]

yes

well no

it stops the waves

[slender flare]

so the timer is on but no surge when time runs out?

[graceful geode]

you need the timer for surge of main finish run out, spawns like once, then you put the code

[pine root]

deactivate alarms event gets rid of any wave stack you have minus two expectations

[graceful geode]

which deactivates both

[slender flare]

OH

That's smart

[shut vapor]

What's r6d3 again

[slender flare]

Overload raises fog until main reactor is completed

[graceful geode]

Manchester-upon-bridge-over-wallshire

[pine root]

Double Tank respawn room

[slender flare]

main is reactor and secondary gives you 15 minutes to take stuff and leave or a surge comes

[shut vapor]

Ah yes

Funny overload

[slender flare]

also isn't 15 minutes like too little

[graceful geode]

To be honest the main advantage of doing Overload AFTER reactor is just not having fog during reactor

[slender flare]

depends on how big the zone is

[graceful geode]

In OG I did way 1, in Alt way 2

Both are doable

[mint light]

Sec takes 5 min

[pine root]

It isn’t as bad any more

[graceful geode]

and tbh both felt about the same difficulty

[slender flare]

but you also don't need to worry about waves from secondary

[graceful geode]

bah

you've a lot of ammo

[slender flare]

oh

[graceful geode]

you just shoot shit

[slender flare]

i mean it's a surge

[graceful geode]

wont start

[pine root]

You will be done before it

[mint light]

You're out before the surge

[graceful geode]

If you know secondary layout, and remember where terminals are, it's gonna be a breeze

[pine root]

You could even pull the tank respawn room a couple times for fun

[shut vapor]

In my opinion, doing overload after main is just kinda cringe. It breaks the flow for me

[slender flare]

ah yes

[graceful geode]

just open all sec doors then have 1 guy run back to extraction

when you've all IDs, guy steps inside extraction scan

[slender flare]

thanks guys, also

what the hell was CX

R6CX, i don't remember it

[coarse grail]

Stairway to hell

[shut vapor]

Hell elevator

[graceful geode]

Old or New?

[slender flare]

unless it was that one where you get 3 terminals with uplinks

[graceful geode]

Old DX is now CX

[mint light]

4 uplinks, one inside, 3 on tower outside

[slender flare]

it was climbing ladders right

while being assaulted by strikers and flyers

in alpha dimension

[coarse grail]

Yes

[slender flare]

oh god not that

[shut vapor]

You barely have to climb ladders tbh

[slender flare]

i thought i've beaten it 😭

[slender flare]

i only remember flyers touching me with their tentacles as i was climing them

and shooting my friend

twice

[shut vapor]

Lol

[slender flare]

DX

I knew it felt like D

did they nerf it

[shut vapor]

R6cx is rough, but then i played RMC3

Nah it's just a rebrand to get the extension levels start at A tier

[slender flare]

RMC3? that's a mod right

[shut vapor]

Ye

[slender flare]

i could try it someday

[shut vapor]

It's basically r6cx but more egregious

[slender flare]

...

🥹

[shut vapor]

3 tanks at the same time on the same tile as r6cx

[slender flare]

i love how to make levels harder

modders just spam tanks at you

most of the time i hear

[shut vapor]

Nah the tanks are the objective, and are annoying for their bad pathing, but you fight them along with the other enemies running at you

[slender flare]

that sounds more interesting

[shut vapor]

The entire rundown is pretty cool and I'm still waiting for a team to beat one level that broke us because of the audio and bs extraction sequence

[slender flare]

i can join

if you need help

[graceful geode]

hard to say

[slender flare]

what is the extraction like

[graceful geode]

I've the impression they did

Or the group I did it with was worse

Or I was worse

[slender flare]

all of them /j

[shut vapor]

Pre-rework you'd be harassed by a full wave of enemies every 45 seconds, while you were carrying a heavy item to a forward extract

[slender flare]

balanced

[shut vapor]

The level testers "had no problem" with it so the dev never looked at the level again until we played it lmao

[slender flare]

they were some good playtesters then

[unreal crystal]

boosters

[lost lynx]

[shut vapor]

I like to think I'm not bad at the game xd

Boosters maybe

[unreal crystal]

I guarantee testers used boosters

I’ve seen it happen in other modded rundowns before

there was some heat level a while back where we just couldn’t beat it because you weren’t given nearly enough rss

[slender flare]

• 100% med efficiency

[unreal crystal]

and it turned out the testers were running perfect boosters

[honest parrot]

isnt that just bad design?

[shut vapor]

💀

[quartz cape]

hello testers, make sure to report easy to fix bugs and not the hard ones or else we will throw you in the dungeon with docred

[honest parrot]

is this docred slander?

[quartz cape]

yes

[graceful geode]

🏔️ 🚴‍♂️

[slender flare]

testers shouldn't be runnign any boosters, i thought everyone would realize but it appears some didn't

[unreal crystal]

What can you do

[slender flare]

take their boosters away

[pine root]

Actually you have to use my super secret strat to beat the level

[shut vapor]

Obviously, but don't forget some testers just want to play new levels and don't care about the actual balance

[unreal crystal]

I’m not Schaeffer boss fight phase 3

I can’t take your boosters

[slender flare]

doesn't that defeat the purspose though?

[quartz cape]

no spoilers

[pine root]

I like the rundowns that test a level realize they don’t like the difficulty then buff it and never play it again

[quartz cape]

i havent made it to phase 3 yet

[pine root]

those are my favourite rundowns

[unreal crystal]

you’re gonna get hardstuck when you get there

[graceful geode]

You die at the blue balls he launches?

[slender flare]

Which ones for example

[quartz cape]

the burst cannon sentries always get me

not enough cover

[pine root]

Cortex start class 50 was the one that pissed me off the most

But a bunch of heat levels

Are that way

[slender flare]

I HEARD CLASS 50 AND I THOUGHT YOU MEANT AN ALARM

Wait

[pine root]

Two legacy levels literally had their tiles full change

[slender flare]

that's what you mean righrt

[pine root]

which made the surges in them 100x worse

[shut vapor]

We are cursed with a small community, and an even smaller proportion play modded. Finding more than 1 group of playtesters to compare data is basically unheard of

[slender flare]

i think there was like a "super hard mod" that had 2 levels, did you play that one btw?

[slender flare]

sad

[pine root]

Idk I dislike the Uber hard content

[graceful geode]

From my experience, a lot of people that play fps pve coop games think they can get away with basically cheating.

[honest parrot]

I mean if you ask the chinese community they might actually cough out more than a group
assuming they, you know, are actually still here

[pine root]

Isn’t very fun to play

[unreal crystal]

it’s never actually fun difficulty

It’s just

[pine root]

annoying

[unreal crystal]

Don’t wake this room with 9 immortals!

[pine root]

Like even r3e1

[unreal crystal]

or your run is instantly over!

[pine root]

had just mom spam at the end

[jagged citrus]

Give Pablo a hug :)

[slender flare]

bruh

I like hard difficulty, this is why i'm here

[quartz cape]

jamie get the modded rundown copy pasta

[unreal crystal]

Tbf Jish I think you were meant to stealth the mom zone

[pine root]

It was a good level

[slender flare]

but at least let it be fun

[pine root]

I think you were

[unreal crystal]

but I wanted to have a moms up situation

[jagged citrus]

Stealth is a crutch

[pine root]

But it makes more sense to just kill it

because tif you guys didn’t mess up

[unreal crystal]

you have the whole map to play with and no stam like

[pine root]

We would have just stealth moms

[unreal crystal]

idk

[slender flare]

just what i was looking for in mods

[unreal crystal]

I dont remember jish was my clear with you?

[pine root]

I think so

[jagged citrus]

Can we get a mod that replaces every single enemy with Pablo

[unreal crystal]

I literally remember nothing about the run

it’s been a while

[pine root]

I know you kited 50 babies for 16 mins

in spawn

[unreal crystal]

HELL YEAH

[pine root]

that is it

[unreal crystal]

If anything it was just a nostalgia trip

[alpine scaffold]

hey guys do you know new risk of rain 2 dlc drops in 27 minutes?

[slender flare]

pablo surge

[unreal crystal]

which made the level fun for me

[jagged citrus]

YEAH U GET IT

[pine root]

It was probs the best hard level

Because there is only one

If them

[unreal crystal]

Jish you gotta try r6 legacy

[pine root]

Your not like trying to beat one of 50

[unreal crystal]

I still think it’s the best rundown I’ve played

[pine root]

Surely that isn’t the peak of the game r6 legacy

[unreal crystal]

It does go really hard

I’m ngl

[slender flare]

what are some modded rundowns you guys would recommend

[unreal crystal]

r6 legacy mod

[pine root]

Occlusion

is daks

[slender flare]

what's that

[unreal crystal]

Occlusion also good

Its legacy

[pine root]

I think it is pretty nice intro to modded

[unreal crystal]

But the r6 version

[jagged citrus]

Occlusion is goog

[unreal crystal]

because current day legacy is bad

[jagged citrus]

If you want maximum CBT you can try Legacy

[magic escarp]

GTFO be like

[pine root]

Current day legacy has to much going on

[magic escarp]

but instead we close the playtest

[slender flare]

I can try legacy and occulsion, I wonder who would want to play tho XD

[shut vapor]

Same with Visitor. R5 visitor was bussin, future versions fell off

[raw shard]

People in the modding server

[quartz cape]

never forget the "stop reporting cheese spots" post

[slender flare]

i'm not ther though

there*

but i could join

[magic escarp]

how dare testers actually test

[raw shard]

Well maybe you should join then lol

[pine root]

Wait you were told to stop reporting cheese spots

[slender flare]

R7C2 Cheese moment

[magic escarp]

This is like having a bot on your github to automatically the "wontfix" tag to every new issue

Which is certainly a power move

[quartz cape]

not me personally, but people were

[pine root]

Such a good idea

stealing this

[graceful geode]

There's some stuff I'll never understand

[magic escarp]

IKR

[unreal crystal]

Never heard of this one tbh

[shut vapor]

One of the older mods back when they were still trying not to get banned for mentioning mods :')

I think it was prior to r2modman

[unreal crystal]

Ah

an og

[magic escarp]

mods, flail this user's balls

[shut vapor]

Real

[raw shard]

it wasn't, no

[shut vapor]

I love spreading misinformation

[raw shard]

[quartz cape]

r2modman obviously came out in r2 smh

[raw shard]

exactly

[shut vapor]

Of course. Sorry r2 overlords, I'll do better next time

[raw shard]

can you actually link the new discord activities in this chat

ah no, it just launches them for yourself

[shut vapor]

Not on mobile

[raw shard]

R5 visitor was really fun, but not for people who like Vanilla stuff lol

[unreal crystal]

oh its one of the Modded Rundowns

[raw shard]

Ye it's made by Becky

[shut vapor]

R5 visitor was rough back in the day but now we are good at the game

[raw shard]

Really fun and very impressive for the time it was created

Although the first couple levels are a bit lengthy and not super enjoyable

[shut vapor]

A2 is fine

[raw shard]

A1 is extremely boring

[shut vapor]

A1 is very boring

Yea

Network still the most fun level there imo

D1

[raw shard]

It was the first rundown to have unlockable weapons

or I guess

limited weapons for certain levels

I think it was originally made all the way back in R3

[shut vapor]

R4 methinks

14/4/2021 first version

I guess that is r3

[raw shard]

nah that was R4

[shut vapor]

Oh ye r4 was october 2020

[daring ginkgo]

unlucky rng on 3rd codehunting on r5d2, after i opened sec door, 4 bbc came to my ass, also bunch of regular chargers rip

[modern coral]

What is the RNG here?

[daring ginkgo]

that 4 bbc were pretty close to door

they came almost instantly

[modern coral]

ic

You will probably always get hammered when pulling first room.

[daring ginkgo]

usually they coming steadily, but on this attempt it was like a burst

[burnt flume]

it is a nasty room that goes awry when pulled half the time

[daring ginkgo]

yeah, i guess it was harder variant with worse rng

second code hunt was pretty messy too actually

whole team sitting at 20% hp xd

[slender flare]

how do i prevent giants from immadietly swinging at me even if they're staggered

[daring ginkgo]

keep some distance

[slender flare]

I use the bat for a reason

[daring ginkgo]

my soul hurts, when i try to kill giant stealthy with melee, bots failed to finish him and giant just immediately swings, leaving them at 20-60% hp

[slender flare]

i swing, stagger giants

and they ignore it

just to hit my face

[rose nova]

the stagger from the bat without breaking limbs it's too short to stay close to it

if ur not breaking a limb, hit, stay away and then again when u see a chance like if it tries to attack

otherwise just stay in the back breaking limbs and the bat short charge should give u no issue

[slender flare]

that explains everything except the fact that they attack while in stagger animation

but thank you

[rose nova]

i mean the normal stagger animation without breaking limbs it's very very short more so if u stay in punch range

i want to say it's like- 0.6 0.7 seconds

it's more so to cancel out a lick attack or keep it like that more so than to solo- bat is purposefully a more coop weapon

that stagger is just to prevent a punch of a teammate fails or something

[slender flare]

i see

thanks

[latent palm]

chair

[silk blade]

ok guys hear me out

GTFO: Rundown 9

what do you think?

[mystic moss]

yeah it's called den of wolves

[silver spade]

copium

[wicked solstice]

yeah lol that's high cope

[pine root]

i trust they will reuse enough assets

[wicked solstice]

GTFO was announced with gameplay

dow was not

concern

[vagrant veldt]

GTFO: Redux. Door glitch fixed, predictable performance and upgraded sound engine. That is all and we are set for life.

[mystic moss]

no way den of wolves is gonna bomb

[wicked solstice]

like i don't think it'll bomb

i just don't know if it will do something special

[mystic moss]

they literally have to be better than payday3

[wicked solstice]

like GTFO

[wicked solstice]

that is not saying much

[vagrant veldt]

Easymode.

[mystic moss]

it says a lot about the current state of heist games lol

[wicked solstice]

isn't like the most played heist game PD2 still

as of right now

[vagrant veldt]

I still play Payday 1. Not often but I do.

[mystic moss]

does gta count as a heist game

[vagrant veldt]

Kind of. Not Online though ,that is just a griefer heaven.

[lunar island]

GTFO from the get-go had a very solid niche. I'm not too confident DoW will reach even half of the total players GTFO did. There are other heist games. There wasn't any other GTFOs.

[vagrant veldt]

I do not know a lot of heist games. I know a lot of coop shooters though.

[lunar island]

heist games are coop shooters. GTFO's niche was basically a dark-souls coop pve with guns. back-breaking and at times outright unfair difficulty.

completion rates, as far back as OGr1 were sub 50%.

[vagrant veldt]

I know. Heist games are in that group, but they are a small subset. So DoW does not have mountains of competition./

[lunar island]

I suppose, but "made by the developers behind payday" is giving your direct competators free marketing.

[minor lintel]

I think gamers learned enough about that after Back 4 Blood

[wicked solstice]

oof

[lunar island]

same scenario. there is a reason why the original, l4d2 has 10x the player count even a decade on

[vagrant veldt]

I still starts that up twice a week, L4D2.

[lunar island]

(though i think EVOLVE was incredible) (in the same vein, 10cc's first game, GTFO, was incredible)

its primed for a history repeat imo.

[pine root]

i love when ranked evolve would have the fucking teir 3 monster in 5 mins

before first contact

becasue my tracker literally threw the gamme

[lost lynx]

Holy shit

Is that Frostty in GTFO chat?

[minor lintel]

I still play L4D2, and I don’t even have 1/10th the hours in B4B

[lunar island]

its just sad how they monetized the game that turned up killing it. the gameplay was like nothing else.

diehard monster main.

[wicked solstice]

never heard of evolve

damn

[minor lintel]

Cuz they killed it haha

[wicked solstice]

well also I'm relatively new to gaming in general

[lunar island]

unless you have a last gen console and find a copy for your disk drive, you won't ever get to experience it

[wicked solstice]

like, 2020ish

[lunar island]

they took it down from all marketplaces and closed all the servers.

only the dwindiling community hosts them now.

[minor lintel]

Everyone point and laugh at the no-lifer lifer

(;

[lost lynx]

Huh

Dak lore

[lusty river]

I actually enjoyed B4B, as crazy as it sounds, I didn’t play L4D2 before that so the expectations weren’t as high as others

[lost lynx]

[wicked solstice]

me with my 1.5k hrs in GTFO

[pine root]

b4b

is a good game

ngl

[vagrant veldt]

I deny any and all allegations.

[wicked solstice]

before 2020 it was literally just Minecraft with my dad and sister

[sharp siren]

b4b was good until casuals ruin it

[lusty river]

Yup, played it since beta

[lunar island]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/273350/Evolve_Stage_2/

after the game died, they tried a free-to-play soft relaunch on PC exclusively with stage 2, but that failed also.

[wicked solstice]

and lego star wars

[lunar island]

a massive shame

[minor lintel]

I enjoyed B4B too, but I can’t say it was a good game

It was soulless

[mystic moss]

wasn't b4b intended to be casual

[sharp siren]

^

[mystic moss]

what was the competitive aspect of b4b

[sharp siren]

i cant beat nightmare guys please nerf

[pine root]

you wouldnt understand bronze damage player

[minor lintel]

Intended to be so casual that barely anyone plays it

[mystic moss]

yeah because i'm gold in support stupid

i can't support people AND do dmg

[lusty river]

The old card system was not casual I’d say but rather difficult. I wish they hadn’t changed it