Good for babies and surge at the very least
#gtfo-chat
vernal nebula
daring ginkgo
hel pp great stagger machine, while bots do killing, also great vs babies
which is good place for reactor def on tiles like r5c2?
like bridge spot on r2d2 type of reactor tile
dark harness
how do I access the regional LFG chats?
lost lynx
how do I access the regional LFG chats?
Go to the roles and channels option
Its above all the channels
dark harness
thx
daring ginkgo
lmao, the way t-nenpi dealt with overload sector on r5c2 ๐
giant kiting whole zone in circles and preventing new enemies from spawning 
little ridge
lmao, the way t-nenpi dealt with overload sector on r5c2 ๐
mom birthing inside wall?
or was that someone else?
cant remember
daring ginkgo
he aggroed giants on previous zones and just move in circles in overload huge room
until scan ends
little ridge
he aggroed giants on previous zones and just move in circles in overload huge ro...
was actually a common strategy in og r5c2
even for non-solo
daring ginkgo
ngl i kinda want to do the same now, instead of dealing vs tank and birther
little ridge
ngl i kinda want to do the same now, instead of dealing vs tank and birther
not sure it works now
Dont take my word on that but I THINK that now it just gets in queue
But now you can (I think, I did it a more common way of "shoot them") start scan than defend somewhere outside
burnt flume
mom birthing inside wall?
nenpi's r4e1 sec involved a mother and a box
blissful dome
babies in box...
daring ginkgo
so even if you end scan and after this kill some of those giants, new enemies, who supposed to spawn on beginning of alarm, will spawn?
i want to test it in modded gtfo
little ridge
so even if you end scan and after this kill some of those giants, new enemies, w...
To be honest I have no idea but since I've seen... "desperate" people resort to start alarm then run out of scan and just kill everything then finish scan, I guess it's that way
junior latch
ngl i kinda want to do the same now, instead of dealing vs tank and birther
well at that point you just solo and hard cheese
blissful dome
lmao
daring ginkgo
fair, will have a bad taste in my mouth if i do this ๐ค
blissful dome
just pubbbb
lost lynx
Wtf
visual lily
to someone who isn't furry
Eyo ngl
blissful dome
LMAO
visual lily
Thats a good one
daring ginkgo
i want to test it in modded gtfo
tested this, no queue after finishing scan
and also this zone have best soundtrack so far
but yeah, it is a massive cheese tactic
pine root
tested this, no queue after finishing scan
There is a stop all alarm event on overload completion or something
I forgot what
quartz cape
are you okay this sounds kind of pent up
upper loom
but yeah, it is a massive cheese tactic
its cheese but it's not exploits
daring ginkgo
What can be called exploits in gtfo?
daring ginkgo
For example?
upper loom
abusing mechanics is cheesing
for example, abusing the fact that if you spawn cap giants no more enemies can spawn in the R5C2 ovl scan- meaning you don't have to deal with the tanks and birthers
little ridge
abusing mechanics is cheesing
Objection
upper loom
abusing bugs is exploiting
door bugging
upper loom
Funnelling enemies is abusing a mechanic?
you know what I meant sleepo
i dont' mean funnelling enemies
i mean mechanics like spawn cap
and kiting
little ridge
I think it's a bit of a complex question
upper loom
funnelling enemies is obviosuly not cheese wtf
rose nova
ermm reloading cancel abuses a mechanic?? mods ban all of the players here
upper loom
ermm reloading cancel abuses a mechanic?? mods ban all of the players here
it does
little ridge
Personally I think people can either categorize by rate-of-failure, as in, a cheese makes X very easy, an exploit makes failing X nearly impossible
upper loom
For example?
Honestly, since youj're playing with bots- I don't think anybody is gonna hate you if you cheese a level using ladderfoam or spawn capping an alarm/scan anyway
little ridge
or categorize like you kinda do but then you need to wonder what is intended and what is not
since neither doorbugging nor ladderfoaming I think are intended mechanics...
upper loom
you could honestly make a p defined list for both
little ridge
What can be called exploits in gtfo?
If you ask me I just put a boatload of stuff in the nono-bucket that kinda breaks the game mechanics either a bit or a lot based on how much it gives you an advantage.
daring ginkgo
since neither doorbugging nor ladderfoaming I think are intended mechanics...
Blocking spawns is exploit then?
Or borderline exploit
upper loom
Blocking spawns is exploit then?
that's cheesing
little ridge
Doorbugging, ladderfoam (very few times I've seen it correctly, people just do it wrong and lasts like 30secs more lel) can DELETE a whole portion of the game's challenge
upper loom
Doorbugging, ladderfoam (very few times I've seen it correctly, people just do i...
R2E1 tm
junior latch
abusing mechanics is cheesing
a game doesnt rly differentiate between bugs and mechanics
little ridge
Blocking spawns is exploit then?
Blocking spawns isn't something I really see often not gonna lie
upper loom
a game doesnt rly differentiate between bugs and mechanics
I thought it made sense when I said that, but then Sleepo mentioned whether the 'mechanics' were intended in the first place or not
little ridge
Blocking spawns I dont think there's ever been a case were it would change much? R4C1 Extreme PERHAPS, if you get shit terminal?
upper loom
So idrk
upper loom
Blocking spawns I dont think there's ever been a case were it would change much?...
R5C2, cap giants and don't fight tank/mother
that's darksaid's intended use of it
little ridge
It's also weird since you can just get foam guy to door X because it's a chokepoint and you'd spawnpush without ill intent
little ridge
R5C2, cap giants and don't fight tank/mother
AH
upper loom
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
junior latch
Blocking spawns I dont think there's ever been a case were it would change much?...
yes
blocking spawns there makes it a singular door foam everytime
daring ginkgo
Blocking spawns I dont think there's ever been a case were it would change much?...
I got bad terminal uplink on r5c1 and even in Scaler video guide he suggested to block 2 spawn points
junior latch
but you can do it A LOT
junior latch
people just dont know or dont need to
junior latch
I got bad terminal uplink on r5c1 and even in Scaler video guide he suggested to...
its basically just spawn mani
manip
its usually not handled as cheese
daring ginkgo
Yeah, i mean spawn manipulation now
upper loom
its usually not handled as cheese
v common strategy
little ridge
yeah nah spawn capping giants and kiting around to AVOID killing shit that's supposed to be the whole reason you get there is skipping way too much of the challenge
junior latch
^ cheese thats practically an exploit
ladder foam is kinda the same in a way
at least if hard abused
hard exploits is door bug
upper loom
do you want a fully legitimate clear of R5C2 w bots dark?
daring ginkgo
Yeah, i am not gonna giant kiting
junior latch
do you want a fully legitimate clear of R5C2 w bots dark?
huh?
i never said to make those things dictate what one does
like you wont solo r8e2 without exploits
upper loom
huh?
i never said to make those things dictate what one does
i was asking him seperately
little ridge
ah they both have same name
upper loom
oh
daring ginkgo
๐
upper loom
mb eva
daring ginkgo
Close enough
upper loom
i call you eva, I call him dark
alpine scaffold
Yeah, i am not gonna giant kiting
It is possible, I did overload with bots
Its hard, very hard
daring ginkgo
At least i am grateful, that both optional objectives are pretty early on lvl
upper loom
and you can do them in either order
junior latch
It is possible, I did overload with bots
with 3 ?
upper loom
makes sense
upper loom
bros cracked
daring ginkgo
How the f they survived tank
alpine scaffold
I did Pillar looping
alpine scaffold
Tank aggroed bots, I looped in pillar and foccused tank tumors
daring ginkgo
๐ค
I will test overload zone tomorrow on modded gtfo to look at tank spawn point
If it is fixed, i can setup sniper turrets in good position
alpine scaffold
Well gl
upper loom
If it is fixed, i can setup sniper turrets in good position
I don't believe any of the spawns are fixed
daring ginkgo
Probably yeah
upper loom
It's a room scan with set wave content, but not set wave spawns
raw shard
upper loom
they can come from literally anywhere
daring ginkgo
they can come from literally anywhere
Uhh, rng 
upper loom
If you're talking about the tank in R5C2 Secondary, yes he is in a fixed spawn p...
yoooo
dark you got lucky
it's fixed
3 sniper sentry time
raw shard
Just have someone walk up behind his ass with scattergun
daring ginkgo
Overload
daring ginkgo
upper loom
LMFAO
daring ginkgo
Just have someone walk up behind his ass with scattergun
I will order Dauda to do this 
upper loom
you wish
near stag
Overload
isnt it scripted? you can just run outside and keep killing enemies untill they stop comming from all 4 directions
alpine scaffold
isnt it scripted? you can just run outside and keep killing enemies untill they ...
I think birthers doesnt stop spawning
I could be wrong but once we had 4 moms because duo died and late revived
junior latch
I think birthers doesnt stop spawning
In overload?
Birther spawns last
secondary can stack birthers
alpine scaffold
Birther spawns last
yes but won't stop spawning until scan is done?
similar to r5b3 sec
i cant confirm anything, just theory
modern coral
The waves just end
They also always happen no matter what.
If you giga scan speed, it does literally nothing.
raw shard
Yeah you can literally just kill all the enemies then come and do the scan after
But that's lame 
lost lynx
How long does it take to speedrun r6c2?
100 years
alpine scaffold
I'm thinking of rushing C2 or Bx just for PE
lost lynx
nvm this is C1
.
rose nova
then why ask for speedruns times
alpine scaffold
So I wanna rush the level
mellow hedge
R6C2 takes like 18 mins to speedrun
wrong
lost lynx
get yourself 3 pubs
mellow hedge
absolute idiot
worthy flicker
You want to do it melee weapons only
lost lynx
youll have fun
rose nova
if u wanna speedrun a PE just do r4a2
alpine scaffold
then why ask for speedruns times
Notion of time
rose nova
it's much easier better and shorter
mellow hedge
i know its 16min and something
r6c2?
rose nova
i don't read ew
worthy flicker
R6C1 is a 3 and a half minute speedrun if you're A Real Gamer
mellow hedge
Erm because actually its 15:59 ๐ค โ๏ธ
alpine scaffold
No I dont want to speedrun PE
I need R6C2 PE but this level is boring so I want to Rush it
worthy flicker
It's okay I gaslit myself into thinking R1C1 was the first level with invisible enemies last night
For some reason
rose nova
eh well not like it's r3b1 at least it has fog sections that do stuff
lost lynx
It's okay I gaslit myself into thinking R1C1 was the first level with invisible ...
wtf
cant blame you
mellow hedge
no i can blame you
burnt flume
is someone going to get goat pics before frosty gets a chance to post pics
worthy flicker
wtf
It's been literal months since I played it and I swear they have the same hallway leading into the reactor
rose nova
i will post chair pics
lost lynx
rose nova
with a dress
lost lynx
It's been literal months since I played it and I swear they have the same hallwa...
they do
lol
mellow hedge
speedrunners dont have rights
Get flown out to sweden then talk to me ๐คก
worthy flicker
i will post chair pics
Weird way to say face reveal slendi
worthy flicker
They didn't even buy you a hooker?
lost lynx
so when do i get money
mellow hedge
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THATS IT?
lost lynx
They didn't even buy you a hooker?
nah they didnt
mellow hedge
unfortunately no ๐
worthy flicker
nah they didnt
Cheap ass company tbh
burnt flume
it's stockholm not amsterdam
worthy flicker
Frosty IS the hooker <@144912738546614272>
So THATS why they got flown out
Makes sense now
worthy flicker
it's stockholm not amsterdam
You can find hookers anywhere
worthy flicker
Nah that's for General
worthy flicker
I'm not above selling my body for money
lost lynx
burnt flume
Nah that's for General
i have standards, not gonna whore out for everybody
lost lynx
ill give you 500 USD and a GTFO coffee cup
worthy flicker
i have standards, not gonna whore out for everybody
I'm not whoring out for people, I'm whoring out for their money
topaz lichen
Guys have you heard the rumour about TGB in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/786965451241422948 whtieboard activity ๐ค
burnt flume
you're whoring yourself out to people for their money
worthy flicker
Yeah, but idc about the people, I care about the money
lost lynx
what the fuck is happening in #gtfo-media
mellow hedge
Guys have you heard the rumour about TGB in https://discord.com/channels/4081961...
yeah tgb IS so big
lost lynx
yeah tgb IS so big
gay
topaz lichen
yeah tgb IS so big
man that image is crazy ๐
topaz lichen
I sure hope no one checks whiteboard activity on https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/786965451241422948
topaz lichen
<:SantonianWhatElse:813148031867158548>
๐
lost lynx
๐ ๐
mellow hedge
LOOK
worthy flicker
Horrors beyond your comprehension
lost lynx
you have to see
tall hawk
warcriminal behavior
unique ginkgo
did you get a gtfo crop top
damn I should get thaht
tall hawk
sound bug moment
lost lynx
skull issue
alpine scaffold
wait what
alpine scaffold
sound bug moment
real issue?
tall hawk
yes
rose nova
sound bug? why would it
foam bug and sound bug are different
sound bug is a mess with the game from spitters/cocoons sounds
foam bug [if u mean the one through doors] is for items falling through the map and messing with unity
blissful dome
foam bug [if u mean the one through doors] is for items falling through the map ...
I love shooter bug...
rose nova
me when i leak all over the memory OwO
blissful dome
me when i leak all over the memory OwO
Woah
brittle jolt
me when I peek a corner to find seven giants huddled together
blissful dome
me when I peek a corner to find seven giants huddled together
Hel rifle...
rose nova
well that's not a bug that's just pain :3
brittle jolt
(the ai bots are going to immediately shoot them)
rose nova
well don't wake em up smh
brittle jolt
I didn't!
lost lynx
skill issue
unique ginkgo
@blissful dome do you want to play
lost lynx
(i love when bots shoot)
blissful dome
<@359461309881778199> do you want to play
I'm eating...
unique ginkgo
uneat easy
blissful dome
Idk if I can play today
lost lynx
I'm eating...
do you want to play?
blissful dome
uneat easy
Augh
brittle jolt
(i love when bots shoot)
real
blissful dome
do you want to play?
Where when
unique ginkgo
Where when
damn pablo's wife getting the favorite treament
blissful dome
I would never
lost lynx
:3
blissful dome
:3
unique ginkgo
hater fr
unique ginkgo
we're doing R3C1
lost lynx
fuck that level
unique ginkgo
hater
lost lynx
i hate R3C1 a lot
blissful dome
Drama in GTFO chat...
lost lynx
:3
blissful dome
we're doing R3C1
Well I'll see if I can get on
unique ginkgo
bet
pine cliff
(the ai bots are going to immediately shoot them)
AI bots have in-built silenced guns
brittle jolt
oh really? they always piss everyoje off for me
pine cliff
they can shoot and not wake up a room
pine cliff
the only thing that breaks stealth is you so
lost lynx
if the room wakes up then its your fault yeah
blissful dome
Skill issue...
pine cliff
that's why im cheesed about the bot misinfo in reviews for GTFO
brittle jolt
huh
lost lynx
that's why im cheesed about the bot misinfo in reviews for GTFO
oh god
do you reply to all of them?
theres a lot of those
lol
pine cliff
they kept complaining bots wake the sleepers up but in reality they NEVER trigger room wakeups
pine cliff
oh god
do you reply to all of them?
No lmfao
the less people who think that way, the better the game is imho
blissful dome
that's why im cheesed about the bot misinfo in reviews for GTFO
Never read the steam community things...
Forum? Fuck no
lost lynx
Never read the steam community things...
dont
blissful dome
Reviews? Hell nah
pine cliff
Never read the steam community things...
what about at the night when you get bored and the airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars
lost lynx
what about at the night when you get bored and the airplanes in the night sky ar...
SHUT THE FUCK UP
blissful dome
what about at the night when you get bored and the airplanes in the night sky ar...
Get highfleet
lost lynx
timber tinsel
Steam reviews are where to go when you want some laughs~!
blissful dome
Steam reviews are where to go when you want some laughs~!
Real?
But is it worth the braincells...
blissful dome
Nooooooo
timber tinsel
"Couldn't beat early x level or x boss, therefore game bad totally not me. Don't waste your money! I demand refund!" -Less than 1 hour at time of review
blissful dome
*"Couldn't beat early x level or x boss, therefore game bad totally not me. Don'...
Nooooooo
Get out of my head
lost lynx
i think the best review is the one that called the community a toxic mess
80 people found it helpful
๐
pine cliff
I saw that lmfao
pine cliff
i think its because they get weird people in ingame matchmaking
blissful dome
Hmmmm
timber tinsel
The opposite end of the spectrum is also funny!
"Lack of content, repetitive, how could anyone find this fun?" -1768 hours on record (945 hours at time of review)
lost lynx
The opposite end of the spectrum is also funny!
*"Lack of content, repetitive, ...
i mean
is he wrong?
lol
blissful dome
The opposite end of the spectrum is also funny!
*"Lack of content, repetitive, ...
Get out of my head
blissful dome
Mining tiles...
mellow hedge
"more bigger"
mellow hedge
not bad
lost lynx
worthy furnace
nooo we died on r4c3 again ๐๐
sharp siren
lost lynx
Yours?
alpine scaffold
sound bug? why would it
Gluefix mod also should fix sound bug ๐ค
And I think the gluefix isnt for shooterbug
rose nova
oh
junior latch
they kept complaining bots wake the sleepers up but in reality they NEVER trigge...
Theres litteraly only 1 way they can presumably and thats accidentally hitting a mine (because the mine is host based who is a player)
magic escarp
i think the best review is the one that called the community a toxic mess
>80 pe...
we can pump those numbers up~
blissful dome
we can pump those numbers up~
Woah what
magic nacelle
is this game dying ๐ฆ
blissful dome
Was it ever alive
blissful dome
is this game dying ๐ฆ
Are you trying to use the in game matchmaking?
magic nacelle
Was it ever alive
yeah it was
I remember the lfg channels flowing and this chat fairly active
magic nacelle
Are you trying to use the in game matchmaking?
revisiting this game but I see it has only about 440 players online rightnow and not many people in vc.. tho it is 2am so I guess its not fair to assume since I am checking data during nighttime lol
blissful dome
I remember the lfg channels flowing and this chat fairly active
Not now
Besides
The chat only ever has the regulars active
Even when the lfgs are active
magic nacelle
hopefully it gets a surge of players coming back oneday, games like these get them rarely but it happens every now n then
otherwise.. it has a good history and will always be there for groups of friends
wraith marsh
this games been dying since like
a month after r8 released
and wasnt that big to begin with
jolly imp
a month after r8 released
Number of Player โ Quality so I didn't mind that much, LoL and Valorant has one of the highest Playercounts, yet the game.... yeah, love the dev for not compromising their game to please whiny casual
wraith marsh
ok
blissful dome
this games been dying since like
The game dies after any release
It died after r7 too did it not
wraith marsh
yea but this time theres no more updates
blissful dome
Fair
wraith marsh
its ACTUALLY dying now
blissful dome
:P
unreal crystal
Number of Player โ Quality so I didn't mind that much, LoL and Valorant has one ...
What does this have to do with literally anything
I love these nothing burger responses people make to feel involved in a conversation
And even then, the devs not compromising? Idk I think the game couldโve been more popular if they hadnโt wasted this games potential
Itโs not about them standing against these filthy casuals, they just fucked up
jolly imp
I love these nothing burger responses people make to feel involved in a conversa...
Why so aggressive? Did I commit a warcrime or something?
unreal crystal
ur being a dumbass and im calling you out on it
Itโs just that
not that crazy
jolly imp
ur being a dumbass and im calling you out on it
Just tell other nicely next time.
jolly imp
not that crazy
๐
unreal crystal
yea Iโll tell other nicely next time
jolly imp
Btw nice pfp :]
daring ginkgo
If i place 2 cells on r5c2, fog will not block vision on overload and secondary obj?
I dont want to go into 2nd blood door at the start of the lvl, so i could get 2 cells later on the level after class 6 alarm and i will have 1 less spawn point on generator cluster alarm
wraith marsh
wha
theres only 1 blood door and the alarms are class 5 no?
you have to do the blood door for overload anyways so that one is 100%
I forget if 2 is low enough, its probably plenty fine but most ppl just get all 3 available cells before doing either
can always plug 2 and check the fog level outside overload
daring ginkgo
Sry, i meant class 4 alarm
daring ginkgo
In generator cluster room, 2 doors with class 4 alarm, cell in each
I already watched whole lvl guide
wraith marsh
oh
alr
gen cluster alarm is almost nothing
secondary is barely bothered by fog unless you plug 0 cells
daring ginkgo
can always plug 2 and check the fog level outside overload
Yeah, will do that after work today
wraith marsh
the overload bulkhead is the same fog level as inside so you can just look at it there and decide if its good enough for you
but id recommend just doing both alarms around the gen cluster
and plugging 3
daring ginkgo
Okay, thx
little ridge
IIRC there's a big difference between 2 or 3 cells for overload fog
might aswell put all 3
daring ginkgo
Reason why i dont want to plug 3rd, so i can start overload faster for training
How to deal vs tank in this zone
wraith marsh
thats fair
little ridge
Reason why i dont want to plug 3rd, so i can start overload faster for training
Which makes sense I guess
wraith marsh
did the guide you watched mention that the amount of spawns during overload is static
(you dont need to stay on the scan)
little ridge
OR if you want to do the trick where you pull the alarm and resist somewhere else
wraith marsh
^ ye
daring ginkgo
Yeah, maybe i do that
I doubt i can kill tank in this big room
Need high ground somewhere
wraith marsh
can always stall him out till the waves are done
but yeah itll need some creativity if you cant get a basic mine stack to work
I wish mining tank was viable
its so much tool it should just work period cuz its totally not worth doing
daring ginkgo
Afaik tank spawn is random
wraith marsh
yea but you can lead him wherever you want
wraith marsh
ye
daring ginkgo
I am not gambler, i am saver
analog flicker
I am not gambler, i am saver<:SantonianWhatElse:813148031867158548>
"Let's Go Gambling!"
Let's be financially responsible
Ah dangit
Ah dangit
Ah dangit
rose nova
let's go bonking!
-12% ah dang it!
-12% ah dang it!
-12% ah dang it!
downed
analog flicker
let's go bonking!
-12% ah dang it!
-12% ah dang it!
-12% ah dang it!
_downed_
Gotta add in some -5%'s
jagged citrus
let's go bonking!
-80% ah dang it
-40% ah dang it
downed
shut vapor
serene berry
let's go bonking!
-12% ah dang it!
-12% ah dang it!
-12% ah dang it!
_downed_
please stop doxxing me
rose nova
never
latent palm
let's go bonking!
-12% ah dang it!
-12% ah dang it!
-12% ah dang it!
_downed_
Daily reminder of โ๐ชโ
blissful dome
please stop doxxing me
lies
serene berry
Daily reminder of โ๐ชโ
serene berry
always
jolly imp
~~"Let's Go Gambling!"~~
Let's be financially responsible
Ah dangit
Ah dangit
...
Capitalism moment
worthy flicker
Gamblers the only mfs I know that can spend 250 dollars on scratchers, win 200, and act all happy and excited like they aren't still 50 dollars in the hole
vernal nebula
let's go bonking!
-80% ah dang it
-40% ah dang it
*downed*
Killing the tank with melee as the final blow is worth my 100% health
jagged citrus
You got the kill?
daring ginkgo
i cant imagine hitting tank in melee with anything except spear, he just turn around and smack you in melee
modern coral
i cant imagine hitting tank in melee with anything except spear, he just turn ar...
You outrange him w/ everything.
Being able to sprint at full speed is also significantly more important for spacing properly than the hitscan range.
daring ginkgo
but other melee weapons needs to be in almost point blank range, no? and when you close to tank he just instantly melee hit you
i see
blissful dome
but other melee weapons needs to be in almost point blank range, no? and when yo...
tank screams
modern coral
If you think hammer range is "point blank," then you don't actually know how to use hammer.
jagged citrus
Maybe once
1000% worth it
daring ginkgo
yeah, i a spear user
jagged citrus
The clout is worth one failed run
jagged citrus
yeah, i a spear user <:BabyShooter:693532344866308116>
Maybe that's why you can't beat r4e1 with bots
daring ginkgo
after spear, hammer feels to me like point blank xd
modern coral
Even for knife, if you are at max range you are still outside of the melee trigger.
pastel dagger
If u aren't host u prob don't want it
vernal nebula
Using knife to melee tank tumors is crazy but I respect it
jagged citrus
but other melee weapons needs to be in almost point blank range, no? and when yo...
I've seen it done with sledge
modern coral
But you will struggle to hit the slightly higher tumors more on knife and bat.
pastel dagger
Spear is noob trap low-key
Once I jested at a spear user in lfg and his ass exploded so hard he woke up the room full of chargers and left
We still beat the expedition
jagged citrus
Chad behavior
I think it's a nice set of training wheels, get used to scout kills and giant limb breaks from a safe melee range, then swap to sledge
Long as you don't get stuck into only using it
modern coral
More people get stuck into using it than switch, I feel.
jagged citrus
spiff
hoary crescent
Oh a lot of spear users are just so used to it that never switch
When I say that you can't really sprint with it they say
OH NO YOU CAN
that's
not sprinting..
jagged citrus
I mean, it's at least in a state where if you stick with it you won't perform too poorly...
hoary crescent
I understand that most of the game if you just play it casually and just really trying super hard to stealth
Spear and hammer aren't that different I guess
But still.
modern coral
I mean, it's at least in a state where if you stick with it you won't perform *t...
There is a lot of content where it's a major detriment.
Literally any error alarm, you are a handicap.
hoary crescent
Yeah but if you're a spear user
You have to understand that they're not gonna pull their melee
To kill an error
You're just not that invested into the game
jagged citrus
No it's ideal, just like the error wave up so you can pierce all of them at once ๐
jagged citrus
Spear bullpup mg
modern coral
but most spear users are Bullpup + MG players
hoary crescent
or bullpup yeah
daring ginkgo
stereotypes 
jagged citrus
Bro
modern coral
It's just true, though.
blissful dome
oh my god theres a fucking "macro short rifle is underrated gun" reddit post on the gtfo subreddit
jagged citrus
And he really seemed like he knew what he was doing
blissful dome
im gonna lose it
hoary crescent
it's cause you don't pub since you play with bots darksaid
jagged citrus
He knew how to walk stealth, how to stagger chain effectively, didn't miss a single scout
hoary crescent
but it just fits, if you use spear you're not gonna tryhard and use good weapons
jagged citrus
He clutched a reactor wave when the other 3 of us were down
He played very well
And he ran smg short rifle
And I was like bro what
modern coral
Like, I complain about this stuff for a reason. When I am trying my absolute fucking hardest to carry my R4D2 pubs, and I am literally 50% of their damage on HEL Rifle, because none of these people are playing weapons that actually do anything...
People that play off-meta stuff are generally bad, they generally don't do anything, and they still use huge amounts of ammo.
pine root
He clutched a reactor wave when the other 3 of us were down
Played with voxy alt
pine root
Hmmmm
burnt flume
voxy would be on slug shotgun there
jagged citrus
Me when I'm playing r4c3 pe and I'm the only one without a machinegun
blissful dome
I played with this random last night
who...
burnt flume
i miss voxy
jagged citrus
who...
Hey I don't wanna drive hate his way
He was chill
Choice of weapons nonwithstanding
modern coral
He clutched a reactor wave when the other 3 of us were down
A lot of this sort of content just isn't actually hard.
blissful dome
fuck did i miss something
sharp owl
where did vox go wtf
jagged citrus
A lot of this sort of content just isn't actually hard.
You're right
But there were hybrids
And for pubs, especially for a guy with smg short rifle, that ain't a trifle
hoary crescent
idk r5d1 pe is very hard not to fall asleep to
modern coral
You don't really need a hybrid answer on R2D2.
jagged citrus
It was r4b1 secondary
modern coral
Even more so.
blissful dome
idk r5d1 pe is very hard not to fall asleep to
r5d1...
jagged citrus
Fucking
SEE
WHO PUT MALE EJACULATORY FLUID IN THE HUMIDIFIER THE AIR IS FULL OF IT I AM BLIND
hoary crescent
oh that level is actually kind of fun
near stag
WHO PUT MALE EJACULATORY FLUID IN THE HUMIDIFIER THE AIR IS FULL OF IT I AM BLIN...
Isnt that the Level with fog that rises with each cell?
jagged citrus
Lowers with each cell
But yes
Secondary is right at the start, is an error for the rest of the level
jagged citrus
I'm like 99% sure it lowers
Cuz it's only in the highest zone at the start
And after we put a few cells in that zone was clear, and the fog was below us
rose nova
it lowers
jagged citrus
Thanks chair
rose nova
the strat on the level is to not plug any cells in cause u get less visibility
jagged citrus
I mean you don't put them in anyway
daring ginkgo
the strat on the level is to not plug any cells in cause u get less visibility
for overload only iirc
jagged citrus
You have to do like one class 3 in the fog at base and then other than that you don't have to deal with it at all
Much easier than all the other shit it would obscure if you put cells in ewely
near stag
I'm like 99% sure it lowers
Wait, was it R5A3 then? I need my Alzgaymer pills
jagged citrus
Early
rose nova
for overload only iirc
not for ov, if u plug more than one for a big chunk of the level
without plugging any cells in u only get low vis on the way to ov i think
in the class III
or was it IV- idk
jagged citrus
Wait, was it R5A3 then? I need my Alzgaymer pills
Haven't played that level in decades couldn't tell ya
jagged citrus
not for ov, if u plug more than one for a big chunk of the level
without pluggin...
Ye
It's like one zone
You have to do the class 3 in the fog
Which stinks
But everything else is clear
rose nova
R5A3 was the password main, gen cluster OV and HSU sec
rose nova
But everything else is clear
yeah exactly
jagged citrus
And id rather do a class 3 than the overload class 6 in the fog
jagged citrus
i AM the bio
hoary crescent
You dont trust your muted bio player
near stag
Just trust your bio
Just Bio scan the Shooter bullets smh
jagged citrus
Stalls the whole alarm
hoary crescent
Just Bio scan the Shooter bullets smh
Thsts what im saying
jagged citrus
They should make biotracker ping to damage
daring ginkgo
They should make biotracker ping to damage
bots will be op
jagged citrus
Three bio bots for constant chip
worthy flicker
I love my muted bio player [BOT]HACKETT
jagged citrus
I love my muted bio player [BOT]HACKETT
I think you mean biotracker turret
near stag
Three bio bots for constant chip
Make mothers even more redundant
worthy flicker
I think you mean biotracker turret
He's consistently the best biotracker I've got while I play with new friends
junior latch
If all spear users were HEL Revo HEL Gun players...
ray may i point you towards a new gtfo reddit post 
jagged citrus
Wait what?
hoary crescent
is it the short rifle ifo mentioned
worthy flicker
do you just play with your friend and bots
Lately? Yes tbh. I'm trying not to progress through all the rundowns I haven't done so I can play em blind with friends
junior latch
"most underrated gun in the game"
jagged citrus
Lmao
I remember I rang short rifle the first time I played r8
Yk new gun, gotta try it
And it wasn't doing shit
worthy flicker
So I'll do em with bots and if I win with bots I clearly deserved to finish said mission
jagged citrus
And I was like "damn I must be bad, if I hit more headshots it would probably be good"
Glad to know it wasn't (only) a skill issue
alpine scaffold
R5A3 was the password main, gen cluster OV and HSU sec
I wonder what the purpose of this secondary is
serene jewel
does anyone want to help me finally finish R8C1 pe
hoary crescent
Lately? Yes tbh. I'm trying not to progress through all the rundowns I haven't d...
thats nice of you
little ridge
I miss Artek take on guns
rose nova
I wonder what the purpose of this secondary is
well, the error
worthy flicker
thats nice of you
They want to play content as a group blind so, lord knows I'm trying to accommodate
little ridge
Does anyone else remember Artek takes?
hoary crescent
if you really feel the itch just pub levels that you've done already
a lot of people here have like 20-100 clears on levels
worthy flicker
Yeah but the cosmetics, yk? I really want fresh drip lmao
I tbh play a lot of Grounded or Elden Ring DLC in the downtime
daring ginkgo
drip on first-person game ๐
jagged citrus
Lmao fucking what
jagged citrus
https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/1ebxu01/most_underrated_gun_in_the_game/
This has to be bait right
hoary crescent
This has to be bait right
no
worthy flicker
drip on first-person game ๐
Doesn't matter, ik it's there
jagged citrus
I mean it's s tier meme potential
But it's not good if you want to do something silly like kill the enemies
blissful dome
Does anyone else remember Artek takes?
wait lemme get the carbine i have saved
you can enjoy it once more
little ridge
It's reddit
blissful dome
Carbine is the brainless upgrade to pistol. An argument can be made its the same thing basically, even if it spreads its damage output across 4 bullets. Better DPS, got a nice sight... Relatively speaking.
Otherwise anything is fine if you can use it. With sole exception being HEL AutoPistol, not sure how to get milleage out of that thing.
little ridge
reddit is shit by default tbh
blissful dome
https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/1ebxu01/most_underrated_gun_in_the_game/
lakana why would you steal it from me
little ridge
Where people just downvote unpopular takes no matter if they're good or not
blissful dome
the content...
serene jewel
I thought hel autopistol was good now?
little ridge
It's a popularity contest
modern coral
If you sort by controversial, I think you can get a lot more out of Reddit tbh.
junior latch
I thought hel autopistol was good now?
It is
daring ginkgo
I thought hel autopistol was good now?
it is good
modern coral
Debate subs w/ the right culture are also solid.
blissful dome
I thought hel autopistol was good now?
it is yea
junior latch
reddit has a lot of entertainment value
daring ginkgo
you just use short bursts on hel pp and stagger everything
jagged citrus
Carbine is a brainless upgrade to half the main weapons
serene jewel
so like a slightly longer range hel shotgun with better uptime
hoary crescent
reddit has always been more special in anything
jagged citrus
And decent damage
modern coral
HEL PP is good more-so because it has access to more killing power than it did before.
jagged citrus
Hel pp actually has slightly higher DPS than the ar
blissful dome
ar moment
modern coral
It's no HEL Shotgun, but you can actually kill things w/ it while having very granular stagger.
little ridge
hel pp is nice but I hope your teammates gonna make good use of you staggering a whole wave
jagged citrus
And you have like an instant reload
pallid anvil
r4e1 is gonna drive me insane
jagged citrus
95% uptime
modern coral
Why do people compare anything to AR?
serene jewel
it really sucks they left all the ARs in a shitty state
little ridge
And pepper that shit so that you make most of the stagger
jagged citrus
Literally worst weapon in the game
My point is that the weapon that's intended to have low damage in exchange for staggers does more damage than a gun that is intended to kill things
Though whether that makes auto pp good or ar even worse is up to interpretation, I suppose
jagged citrus
Real
junior latch
Why do people compare anything to AR?
people think its good cuz its got no glaring weakness (aside from being weak everywhere)
jagged citrus
Jack of all trades, master of none
Honestly it doesn't even feel that good outside of its handling
little ridge
people think it's good because old guides told people it was good and because it's usually the default option in shooters
jagged citrus
Literally worst weapon in the game
Now that is a bold claim
pallid anvil
what is AR team
little ridge
personally I didnt take an AR in perhaps years
jagged citrus
What is worse
Short rifle, burst pistol, possibly sniper
little ridge
I just dont find them even fun
pallid anvil
?!?
little ridge
HAR is at least fun to use
jagged citrus
Har is just so goofy
little ridge
Bullpup is too slow to reload and AR/BR are boring
modern coral
Short Rifle is unironically better, BP is second worst but is somehow still distinctly better, and Sniper is still at least the best hybrid answer in the game.
blissful dome
people think its good cuz its got no glaring weakness (aside from being weak eve...
well technically if every part of the gun sucks no part stands out as bad...
modern coral
At Short Rifle has a lot of ammo, and if you are cracked at the game you can wave clear like crazy.
Assault Rifle genuinely does not do anything to enemies.
It is ludicrously bad.
hoary crescent
idk about you but short rifle is kinda crazy
cause
Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this is like the most broken weapon in the game but it feels like horse shot to use because to use it yo its full potential you literally need to be superhuman, able to click 20 times per second. This is where the macro comes in. You create a macro that when you hold a button, it clicks really fast, mimicking full auto. Don't go overboard with the firing speed. I set mine to fire somewhere between 5 and 10 per second, similar to the assault rifle. Then you bind that button to your most accessible mouse button.
Now you have a weapon that is the most generally ammo efficient in the game with the normal semi auto and then when you switch to full auto, it has up to the highest dps in the game, each bullet dealing more than twice of what the assault rifle does, still with a huge ammo capacity.
The only drawbacks are the somewhat hard to control recoil and half stagger, yet remember it still staggers more per bullet than the assault rifle and pretty much always staggers on heashot. Its also not super great for sniping shooters with early fall off. Deletes both strikers and giants though
little ridge
I think it's second worst main
serene jewel
how do we fix the cursor showing up in-game bug
jagged citrus
Perish
modern coral
Burst Pistol is just better simply because you can spam it.
junior latch
Short Rifle is unironically better, BP is second worst but is somehow still *dis...
honestly i do think burst pistol is better than bullpup
little ridge
Damn you changed idea fast
jagged citrus
Really?
blissful dome
Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this ...
NEW COPYPASTA
FUCK YEA
modern coral
honestly i do think burst pistol is better than bullpup
I'm tempted to agree, but I think BP is slightly underrated.
little ridge
Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this ...
good now I'll read it with Jordan Peterson voice
jagged citrus
But it's serviceable if it didn't have 10% uptime
blissful dome
Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this is like the most broken weapon in the game but it feels like horse shot to use because to use it yo its full potential you literally need to be superhuman, able to click 20 times per second. This is where the macro comes in. You create a macro that when you hold a button, it clicks really fast, mimicking full auto. Don't go overboard with the firing speed. I set mine to fire somewhere between 5 and 10 per second, similar to the assault rifle. Then you bind that button to your most accessible mouse button.
Now you have a weapon that is the most generally ammo efficient in the game with the normal semi auto and then when you switch to full auto, it has up to the highest dps in the game, each bullet dealing more than twice of what the assault rifle does, still with a huge ammo capacity.
The only drawbacks are the somewhat hard to control recoil and half stagger, yet remember it still staggers more per bullet than the assault rifle and pretty much always staggers on heashot. Its also not super great for sniping shooters with early fall off. Deletes both strikers and giants though
modern coral
Burst Pistol is genuinely really bad, it's just that it's not an auto which makes it de-facto not completely unusable.
pine root
Deletes giants
little ridge
NEW COPYPASTA
it's the reddit post
hoary crescent
it deletes giants yes
blissful dome
it's the reddit post
i know
junior latch
I'm tempted to agree, but I think BP is slightly underrated.
i think a lot of weapons get underrated (or overrated) cuz people hear smth and repeat it
some examples:
(Have changed overtime)
Pr bad (even after it got buffed to pretty good in alt r6)
Sawed off sucks
Burst cannon busted (post recoil and 19 dmg nerf)
Burst pistol ass (specifically pre buff and with the fireblade r8e2 it got spread)
Bullpup worst main etc
blissful dome
that doesnt make it less of a copypasta
jagged citrus
I tried burst pistol post buff
junior latch
burst pistol isnt good
jagged citrus
Still didn't really felt like I did anything
blissful dome
What is happening
cocaine
jagged citrus
I felt like I could do more things with ar
junior latch
but it cant be the worst on the value of actually being able to do a little with a fast reload
jagged citrus
Cuz at least it had decent range
modern coral
Cuz at least it had decent range
Burst Pistol has very similar range compared to AR.
junior latch
^
blissful dome
Let me introduce to you, the short rif--
fuck yea
junior latch
same falloff start
modern coral
And I don't think its breakpoints are as range dependent.
junior latch
different end
jagged citrus
It's been less than an hour and this stupid reddit post has already achieved meme status
You guys work fast
modern coral
Like, 3-bursting is bad, but at least it's consistent and the enemy dies.
junior latch
jagged citrus
Don't set them off Pablo you fool
little ridge
I'll say something controversial but I never heard anyone say "sawed off is shit" aside from probably once at around alt R1 or something like that
blissful dome
same falloff start
burst pistol?
isnt burst pistol 7 m
did it get buffed
did i forget
little ridge
I think that it's a bit of a boogeyman that sawed off is "hated" while it just isn't picked a lot because of a lot of reasons
modern coral
I think sawed-off was always hard to judge, and I think I've always said that.
blissful dome
spreadsheet outdated...
jagged citrus
Wiki says 10m
little ridge
some of which do not have anything to do with how people "think it's shit"
modern coral
It did take a very long time to realize that it was tier-1, though.
junior latch
I'll say something controversial but I never heard anyone say "sawed off is shit...
it was pretty bad during og r6
came back in alt r5 in an ok state
People claimed it still sucked
Got a good buff in alt r6 (becoming a great gun)
then overbuffed in r8
I heard sawed off shit a lot until r8 and even then
jagged citrus
I never thought it was bad
lost lynx
No fucking way someone tried to justify short rifle
blissful dome
Wiki says 10m
sorry im having a spreadsheet outdated moment
lost lynx
๐
jagged citrus
Neither did anyone I knew
junior latch
I think sawed-off was always hard to judge, and I think I've always said that.
sub 30 dmg, 2 sec reload 3 shot sawed off with like 7 per refill wasnt grea
little ridge
I take it rarely because I dont like having a main with only 4 shells and I like HEL Shotty or Carbine more
modern coral
sub 30 dmg, 2 sec reload 3 shot sawed off with like 7 per refill wasnt grea
I mean the 30 damage ver.
junior latch
well thats alt r5
modern coral
The sub-30 damage was distinctly bad.
modern coral
but fun/funny
blissful dome
Ar damage falloff starts at 10m??
since always?
jagged citrus
I may be stupid
junior latch
alt r5 = solid high B or low A
alt r6 = A
r8 = A (or low S depending on ranking style)
og r6 was legit bad
I thought you meant that with the statement ray
junior latch
Yes
jagged citrus
Garbo
junior latch
@little ridge thats also why people spread sawed off shit for a while
Cuz the community perception was rightfully that it was shit
pine root
Og r6 scatter
modern coral
What was the alt-R5 ver.?
junior latch
But people didnt update their thought after buffs
pine root
Is so funny
modern coral
If that was sub-30, then I think it's probably belonging in "bad" tier.
junior latch
What was the alt-R5 ver.?
30 dmg, 1,8 (or 1,9) sec reload, 3 mag
got its 8,18 per refill
But it didnt get the extra range so it had 4 fall off
little ridge
<@1090749314822832188> thats also why people spread sawed off shit for a while
I know it's anedoctical but I feel like you guys make sawed off to be some sort of underdog that everyone hates because they dont know its potential while it's just underappreciated for legitimate reasons that have not a lot to do with its performance
modern coral
And I'd probably say it's maybe a bit better than Slug rn.
junior latch
and people memed on it
jagged citrus
I think they mean that even nowadays, people have their reasons for disliking it
modern coral
As soon as it got 30 damage, it became a second-pick, T2 sort of weapon.
junior latch
cuz it wasnt in the game between og r6 and alt r5
pastel dagger
does anyone want to help me finally finish R8C1 pe
How long u gonna be on
modern coral
But it was very hard to say for sure if it was.
junior latch
^
jagged citrus
Low clip size and range are legitimate tradeoffs that make it very different from the other main weapons
Now, obviously, we know that the upsides are well worth those drawbacks, but to someone newer to the game, I could see them not liking it for those reasons
junior latch
i think alt r6 made it what it should be in vanilla
serene jewel
How long u gonna be on
a while
jagged citrus
If you're used to your main weapons being mid range fully automatic spam weapons, putting a low clip shotgun in its place is a bit of a change
modern coral
Ok, but that's a newbie confusion.
jagged citrus
Ye obviously
modern coral
For experienced players, 30 damage sawed-off was hard to evaluate.
junior latch
beginners shooting pdw at 25+ meters
jagged citrus
But it's still modern dislike based on experience rather than hey this gun was shit 200 years ago
modern coral
But now, after more time w/ it and pushing it into harder content, it's very clearly S-tier.
jagged citrus
beginners shooting pdw at 25+ meters
u just gotta tap fire it bro
junior latch
yea not like i said it was great back when alt r6 hit
junior latch
u just gotta tap fire it bro
1 bullet every 2 seconds
jagged citrus
just tap fire it at range its so good the thermal helps u line up shots bro
junior latch
blissful dome
beginners shooting pdw at 25+ meters
auto = use at range
little ridge
":me:"
blissful dome
i dont see an issue
little ridge
I miss the ":me:"
blissful dome
ah
little ridge
it was fun
jagged citrus
auto = use at range
Ideal hel shotgun usage
pastel dagger
U already done with r8d2 @serene jewel
quartz cape
i was bouta 'me' but i remembered i dont have the power anymore
pastel dagger
?
blissful dome
nitroless...
quartz cape
also cho will get mad at me for touching his golden boy
little ridge
i was bouta 'me' but i remembered i dont have the power anymore
Do you think that R2D1: Statistics is a Tropical level?
upper loom
It's short rifle good?
ofc
quartz cape
Do you think that R2D1: Statistics is a Tropical level?
i bet i can eat more plastic than you
little ridge
i bet i can eat more plastic than you
no idea what that means
jagged citrus
High DPS ahh
pine root
i bet i can eat more plastic than you
No way
quartz cape
no idea what that means
what was unclear about my statement
blissful dome
Do you think that R2D1: Statistics is a Tropical level?
what
junior latch
no idea what that means
i dont think they know what they are saying considering the statement above that
little ridge
what was unclear about my statement
what does plastic have to do with R2D1: Statistics being tropical
pastel dagger
It's short rifle good?
Is hel shotty?
quartz cape
i dont think they know what they are saying considering the statement above that
i bet i can eat more plastic than you
little ridge
i dont think they know what they are saying considering the statement above that
You dont ever stop during an expedition to think "This level encapsulates the meaning of the Alps"?
lost lynx
High DPS ahh
Highest DPS in the game right?
little ridge
If Germany was a GTFO Expedition, which would it be?
junior latch
i bet i can eat more plastic than you
I sure hope so
pastel dagger
This level encapsulates my life: I can't see shit
junior latch
cuz i rly dont like plastic
lost lynx
This level encapsulates my life: I can't see shit
Get some eyes
junior latch
If Germany was a GTFO Expedition, which would it be?
what has the most infectous fog
quartz cape
You dont ever stop during an expedition to think "This level encapsulates the me...
r2d1 is like the swamp level of gtfo
upper loom
what has the most infectous fog
R5B1/B2 lmfao
quartz cape
very bog-esque
upper loom
maybe
pastel dagger
If Germany was a GTFO Expedition, which would it be?
Depends what year