gtfo-chat

[pseudo sedge]

and still shits on MG

in every way

[pine root]

wave 6 you mean or wave 6 and also wave 4 for infinite given ammo

[gusty burrow]

10CC is keeping the ultimate R4E1 solo hold loadout from us: Sawed-off + Sawed-off

[blissful dome]

woah hel gun isnt as good on bigs?

are you sure?

thats a big enemy

doofus

[pine root]

it needs good enough wave clear and hybrid clear

we talking zero sentry

?

[unreal crystal]

Ofc

[jade iron]

fine, you could've just went for "just pick hel gun" but I guess we needed this detour

[pine root]

hel gun. shotgun, high cal? is pr one

[pseudo sedge]

yea, hel gun, hel rifle, scattergun* (yes i tried, yes it worked, u just gotta move ammo up front cause it is slightly scuffed, also tell everyone to not go into the corridor room)

[pine root]

i think it could

[pseudo sedge]

yea PR can too

[pine root]

might be the easest if you are dropping bio as well

[unreal crystal]

what about revo :DDDDD

[blissful dome]

thats literally all the specials

[pine root]

we havent tried yet

could you choose a less cringe name i hate the XX_

PLEASE

[gusty burrow]

Are we allowed to hold outside?

[blissful dome]

damn

[pine root]

hel rilfe? could probs do it

[pseudo sedge]

wait

team

[pine root]

in perfect conditions

[pseudo sedge]

what is the high cal dps?

[pine root]

old r4 yeah ez

[unreal crystal]

even now it probs could jish

[pine root]

yeah

probs

[gusty burrow]

66.89 mid clip

[pseudo sedge]

shit, mb g, i meant the time in between shots

[gusty burrow]

0.45 between shots

[pseudo sedge]

i wanted to actually compare hel gun vs high cal TTK on hybrids

[pine root]

mg is better than hel gun

based on usage graphs

[unreal crystal]

I still stand by 0.3 hel gun > mg

[blissful dome]

oh my god the sacred usage stats

[unreal crystal]

And I think ppl will actually agree this time around

[modern coral]

AR long-standing meta weapon.

[pine root]

no matter the nerfs

it still needs more

[pseudo sedge]

so theoretically high cal kills a hybrid in 1.35 seconds (0.9 sec if u consider 3 shots into hel revo instant shoot)

[pine root]

to strong

[blissful dome]

when are we getting another sniper nerf

[jade iron]

it's probably not much less true than 0.2 hel gun > mg, but dear god was 0.3 hel gun unpleasant

[pseudo sedge]

hel gun kills a hybrid in 1.73 seconds

[pine root]

it matters

also ease of use

lets be real

hel gun head shots rapid fire

[modern coral]

Are you accounting for HEL Gun shot delay btw?

[gusty burrow]

This isn't a multiple of 0.3 :squint:

[pine root]

so much harder than high cal

[pseudo sedge]

yea that's why I will say a solid 2s, that is with the theoretical dps from the wiki

• ease of use as jish said

[pine root]

guys when should i start timing the scatter gun time to kill

[pseudo sedge]

so imo, you sacc 1 sec on TTK for a hybrid, and u get the ability to solo a surge

[pine root]

as i shoot

or before i run up to the enemy

[gusty burrow]

1.7s for 6 charge ups + 5 shot delays

[pine root]

i think high cal might beat me out

[blissful dome]

scatter ttk too low

needs a buff

[pine root]

guys what is the mine ttk on hybird

does it beat

mg?

[blissful dome]

How long does it take to place mine again

[gusty burrow]

What is mine's dps, if you just spent every second placing mines on the ground

[pseudo sedge]

I think if u take into account MG player missing half the shots, u get to place 3 mines in that time ngl

[gusty burrow]

Don't forget, mines can headshot, so you gotta place them carefully

[blissful dome]

Avg mg player hitting 4/60 shots

[pseudo sedge]

can u actually kill a hybrid with only 2 mines?

[gusty burrow]

If you headshot one of them, it should

[trim sail]

i believe so

[pseudo sedge]

damn,

You definitely wipe the floor with the MG player then

[gusty burrow]

Bad news

[pine root]

hasnt it been done?

on stairs

[blissful dome]

B4 got nerfed

I'm sure it's possible

[pseudo sedge]

the old b4 or new b4?

cause new b4 is irrelevant ngl

[gray pilot]

Sounds impossible 😱

[blissful dome]

My B4 :C

[pseudo sedge]

oh ok i see

[gusty burrow]

https://youtu.be/8z98uu8X4Mk

[trim sail]

da heck is 50 ?

[blissful dome]

It was held

[jade iron]

as in, without the post-bulk extract sequence?

[gusty burrow]

I thought you meant the ending error section, my bad, yeah the reactor shutdown funky thing they just both do scans

[jade iron]

the meltdown is...not a very hard thing to do?

[sharp siren]

Gtfo 2 will release after first world bank dlc of den of wolves

[jade iron]

...but there are scans to do?

why are we not doing scans?

[unreal crystal]

or your duo buddy

:D

[jade iron]

I mean sure, I guess you could solo hold it

but like, why?

[blissful dome]

if you hate yourself

[jade iron]

honestly I was thinking about moving off hel gun for mg for duo attempts at r8b4

stagger hp on squiggles is a bitch

not sure though, haven't tried again since the nerf

lots of stagger damage

[modern coral]

Sawed-Off HEL Rifle tbh

[blissful dome]

1.45 stagger multi

[jade iron]

my duos partner is hel rifle-pilled, so there's always one of those around

[modern coral]

Nightmares are the only HEL Gun counter in the game.

and tbh it's still not half bad

[jade iron]

maybe dual hel rifles is a thing, but I like to have a different capability to complement

[modern coral]

I do not think MG does much better

[jade iron]

I'm not sure either, something I'll be interested in testing

[blissful dome]

use short rifle for stagger <3

[unreal crystal]

Disagree

[jade iron]

you got it fam

[blissful dome]

:3

[modern coral]

HEL Shotgun probably makes it good, but it just feels fucking awful.

[unreal crystal]

Calling it a counter implies hel gun is disadvantaged

[jade iron]

I might give it a shot when I get back to the level

[unreal crystal]

It feels fine

[jade iron]

just not a high priority rn

[unreal crystal]

Better than most for nightmares

There’s a reason I always take it for e2

[modern coral]

Beth

[unreal crystal]

Because I can hold the scans with it

[modern coral]

Relative to HEL Rifle...

it is disadvantaged

[unreal crystal]

That’s not a counter tho

[modern coral]

it's just every other weapon in the game has it worse.

[jade iron]

I felt like hel gun ought to be great into nightmares, you 2shot if one hits tumor

[blissful dome]

well i mean thats hel rifle on nightmares

[jade iron]

didn't play out as well in practice

[modern coral]

HEL Gun heavy stagger is just really good.

[unreal crystal]

I’ll have to try hel rifle on those scans but I like the faster fire rate and bigger mag

[jade iron]

man, remember when ray used to think hel rifle was like C tier?

[pine root]

it feels bad into nightmares because it doesnt stagger on a body - tru

[unreal crystal]

It just feels more stable in my mind

[pine root]

chill dude

changed

the growth

[trim sail]

wait

[modern coral]

R1-R3 has no specials

[trim sail]

he really was ?

[modern coral]

Also, HEL Revo is a mid pairing

[pallid anvil]

A disadvantage is having XX in your name

[jade iron]

I don't know, I tend to think people should go around assuming they're wrong about like 30% of all things relating to gun balance

and are going to disagree with their former selves 5yrs into the future when we're all still arguing about this in gtfo-chat

[pine root]

i like to

[trim sail]

then i should trust bill gates on teaching how to become rich...

man, i'm broken rn

[pastel dagger]

Hel shotgun bad

[jade iron]

I'm not saying "don't listen to vets"

[pastel dagger]

No u

But yes

Hel gun good

[pallid anvil]

Why not

[unborn horizon]

Hel shotgun good

[sharp siren]

Yall stupid

[pallid anvil]

Nobody is a vet in this game

[blissful dome]

damn

[pastel dagger]

Hel shotgun mid

[blissful dome]

r

[unborn horizon]

Don't listen to manbarondenna they really don't know what they're talking about

[trim sail]

Greetings, dragon

[blissful dome]

avg black dragon interaction

[unborn horizon]

Simply W+M1 with Hel shotty, no need to worry about ammo

[pastel dagger]

Brother in warden u literally have hel revo

[jade iron]

okay king (queen? saw pronoun in profile) 👍

[blissful dome]

lie

[pastel dagger]

U really gonna take hel shitty?

[trim sail]

keep on with the guns and weapons discussion, i'm going with WeMod and that's the thing I shoulda done in the first place

[blissful dome]

hf

[frail fox]

Boo

[unborn horizon]

Compelling argument, but I cannot aim for my life

[pastel dagger]

I have to lie because they butthurt

[jade iron]

man I'm still waiting on the followup

[unborn horizon]

You have unraveled my skill issue, I perish now

[sharp siren]

Theres no follow up

[blissful dome]

you expect something that will not happen

[sharp siren]

It ends there

😭

[jade iron]

aww

[blissful dome]

avg black dragon interaction

youre stupid
leaves

[trim sail]

I'm a degraded monkey

hoo hoo, ooga booga

[pastel dagger]

Prisoners

Black dragon Schaeffer energy

[sharp siren]

What the fuck are you talking about jessie

[trim sail]

Who the heck is Jessie ?

Jessie McCree ?

[blissful dome]

thats not how its phrased

jesse comes first

<3

[sharp siren]

Breaking bad

[blissful dome]

fixing good

[trim sail]

Never heard of, unwilling to watch, screw you

[sharp siren]

You put a an x on that

I will find you and murder you

[trim sail]

hey calm down

[sharp siren]

[blissful dome]

uses he

latinx

[pastel dagger]

You know it's something that you watch. Clearly heard of

[trim sail]

put your hands away from your little pee pee

and let's go through this

[blissful dome]

sen this sounds weird

please rephrase that

[sharp siren]

What

[trim sail]

i mean, get over this

overcome ?

[sharp siren]

😭😭😭

[blissful dome]

com

[pine root]

guys

how do we feel about overwatch 6v6

[trim sail]

It's was perfectly fine

[unreal crystal]

2 tanks goated

[blissful dome]

wtf is an overwatch

[pastel dagger]

How we feel about new character

[pine root]

lfg no anime

[trim sail]

rule34 incoming

[pastel dagger]

Yes

[sharp siren]

I like the corn of it

Avid consumer of it

[blissful dome]

[sharp siren]

10/10

[trim sail]

you guys should feel ashamed of yourself

[sharp siren]

Didnt know it was a game

[trim sail]

we play Overwatch for the game itself

[pine root]

i dont

[blissful dome]

average black dragon interaction

[sharp siren]

Blizzard just a corn company in disguise

[pastel dagger]

I'm blind and from really far away she looks like dva in the thumbnail

[trim sail]

uhm...

[sharp siren]

I tought that was mercy

From the famous hospital video

[blissful dome]

?

actually no

i dont want to know

[sharp siren]

You do

[pastel dagger]

What u reckon dragon

Juno or dva

[trim sail]

you can run, but your little boy can't hide

[blissful dome]

youre going to jail

[trim sail]

embrace it

[pine root]

idk

if that is me

[pastel dagger]

Please forget the fact dva has 10 million webms

[blissful dome]

wrong ping

L

[trim sail]

Who searches for D.Va when she's acting like a brat ?

ewwwwww....

[blissful dome]

skill diff

[trim sail]

jking, i did

[sharp siren]

You can never go wrong with the classic ya know

[pastel dagger]

That's exactly why

[blissful dome]

shoulda parried the ping

[pine root]

i like

pinging you

[sharp siren]

Dva just dva knaaawww i meaaaan

[blissful dome]

real

[pastel dagger]

Yea

[trim sail]

ok be honest, why do you play D.va ?

[blissful dome]

what the fuck is dark souls

[unreal crystal]

love that game

[pastel dagger]

What do u mean play

[blissful dome]

soule

[unreal crystal]

dario wanna play elden ring tonight

[trim sail]

ey yo, stop right there

[pine root]

dark souls is like elden ring

i love that game

[unreal crystal]

lets play

[pastel dagger]

Dva unplayable

She like hel shotgun

[unreal crystal]

i love poison swamps

thank you miyazaki for the 500th poison swamp

[sharp siren]

Watching that sfm gotme commiting crimes

[blissful dome]

im going to send you to jesus

[trim sail]

watching sfm is not a crime

[pastel dagger]

Dragon

[blissful dome]

its dragon

everything is a crime

[pastel dagger]

Thoughts on venture

[sharp siren]

And hell.be like "ayo wtf i didnt want him here" sending me straight to limbo again

[pine root]

you need to do it on host?

[blissful dome]

skill diff

just beat jesus

[trim sail]

Jesus isn't real. Hades is

[sharp siren]

Jesus beats hades sorry

[blissful dome]

damn

[trim sail]

i thought it was Zeus ?

[sharp siren]

Power scaling aint even close

[pine root]

you can still den of wovles domb them XX_dario_XX he/him

[unreal crystal]

den of wolves

[sharp siren]

Den of who

[blissful dome]

den of bowls

[sharp siren]

Ulf anderson trying not to make a game with bald people or his nickname on it challenge

Impossible

😭😭

We love ulf

[unreal crystal]

of course

[pine root]

dragon(other pronouns/ask) how do you feel about den of wolves

[sharp siren]

Bad bitches from world of warcraft

[pastel dagger]

maiev

[blissful dome]

L

[sharp siren]

Its from blizzard dont care

[trim sail]

do you

care about me ?

[sharp siren]

Bad bitches regardless

[blissful dome]

blizzard simp

[blissful dome]

im sorry for your loss

[trim sail]

it's ok

i'll get through it

[sharp siren]

Cant wait for the reused datacenter assets we gonna inevitably see

[pastel dagger]

mercy is mid

dva better

[blissful dome]

(lie)

[sharp siren]

Disagree

[trim sail]

Wtf are we talking about ?

[blissful dome]

game made of tiles again

[pastel dagger]

agree to disagree

incredibly mid but biased

[sharp siren]

[trim sail]

well at least she's 37...

yummy

[pastel dagger]

shes blonde

[sharp siren]

Gonna be either scripted to hell or just gtfo all over again

But well see

Hopefully enemy variety its good

Unlike

Gtfo

[blissful dome]

:P

[blissful dome]

hopefully

its prolly just

[trim sail]

den of wolves, lots of wolf

[blissful dome]

person type 1

person type 2

amazing

[pastel dagger]

next youre gonna invoke ana

[pallid anvil]

I’m new

[trim sail]

She's too

[blissful dome]

pub?

[sharp siren]

Pub?

[blissful dome]

rose pub confirmed

[daring ginkgo]

About weapon selection for r5b1, which primary weapon is better for reactor part? Hel autopistol or sawed-off? Like there will be a lot of enemies, so staggering them with autopistol seems good, but on other hand sawed-off can reliably deal vs giants and chargers if they come close 🤔

[sharp siren]

You can use the tip 👍

[blissful dome]

shotgun reactor

[blissful dome]

<3

[jade iron]

...are these your only two options?

[sharp siren]

He can usr the tip

[blissful dome]

^

[jade iron]

true enough

[pastel dagger]

learn to use хел револьвер mate

[jade iron]

yeah go with tip

over those two for sure

[blissful dome]

real

[sharp siren]

He gotts learn to use the tip

[blissful dome]

^^^^

[pastel dagger]

sigh

lets do better next time

[unique ginkgo]

it is inspired by the tip

it's only 4 am where my NA games at

[daring ginkgo]

No, just comfortable weapons for me

[unique ginkgo]

you gotta use machine gun and like ar

try some new stuff

[daring ginkgo]

Primary machinegun

[unique ginkgo]

exactly

[pastel dagger]

smg, yes

[blissful dome]

empty hange lobby

[blissful dome]

try hel revo

or something

at least

[unique ginkgo]

Playing elden ring 1 hour

💀

[blissful dome]

most hange

[blissful dome]

its 1:30 am for me

[unique ginkgo]

@sharp owl bro are you popular

[sharp owl]

what

[night mango]

Use melee only ez

[unique ginkgo]

I see so many people with you as a mutual friend

💀

[sharp owl]

yeah im based and poggers and everyone loves me

[blissful dome]

^

[unique ginkgo]

makes sense

[blissful dome]

real

[night mango]

Who dis?

[unique ginkgo]

the CEO of 10 Chambers

[sharp owl]

deez

[unique ginkgo]

femcel girlfriend gives you a latenight suprise ASMR (3 hours)

[blissful dome]

get this general talk back to general

[unique ginkgo]

@vestal crystal what was the level I was complaining about

bruh

[pastel dagger]

why would i need that when i can afk in gtfo 24 hrs and have biotracker asmr

[unique ginkgo]

I got trolled

[blissful dome]

poor ryk

[unique ginkgo]

R2C2

error alarm bad

[blissful dome]

sorry

[pastel dagger]

issue of skill

[blissful dome]

i was tired

:C

[unique ginkgo]

not my fault bro took someone else's name

[blissful dome]

why does ryk always get bullied

[sharp owl]

its fixed now

[unique ginkgo]

how much gayer

[sharp owl]

idk

[unique ginkgo]

I think I've exclusively dated women for like 3+ years or somethinfg

[pastel dagger]

could have been playing gtfo instead

[unique ginkgo]

too busy

[pastel dagger]

dating women?

[unique ginkgo]

ypeah

[pastel dagger]

no wonder error alarm is a complaint

[blissful dome]

DAMN

[sharp owl]

real ones like errors

[pallid anvil]

NUH UH

Error alarms are cute :3

[unique ginkgo]

don't worry I'm playing it now

[pallid anvil]

Vanilla error alarm :3

Zoersel error alarm 😡 💥

[blissful dome]

gl

[sharp owl]

no u

[pallid anvil]

Me when error alarm is spawn cap nightmare surge

GRRRRR

[sharp owl]

r2c2 is like the easiest error in the game tho

[unique ginkgo]

too much infection

[sharp owl]

take turbine

[blissful dome]

i dont like fog

[pastel dagger]

yea r2c2 error is not issue

fog is

turbine takes up a slot id rather bio and dive

[unique ginkgo]

error alarm just makes it worse

[blissful dome]

me when i have to put down turbine cause everyone went down

[pastel dagger]

yea u think id trust fog turbine

[pallid anvil]

Imagine using turbine in R2C2

Girl bye

[unique ginkgo]

we just lost

C2 fear empowered

[blissful dome]

its not my fault

</3

[pastel dagger]

just learn the tile mate

every run

[unique ginkgo]

hop in then fr (you can't)

[pastel dagger]

i cant because im gonna take a shower then go to work

[blissful dome]

damn

[pastel dagger]

then go play mtg with the bois

[blissful dome]

mtg player

execution

[blissful dome]

gl

[unique ginkgo]

what is mtg

[blissful dome]

magic the gathering

[sharp owl]

@unique ginkgo play with actually good players

[blissful dome]

gather deez

[blissful dome]

damn

but yea i know no one in that lobby

:P

gl

[jade iron]

both are range-challenged, which is usually not great for reactor holds
I'd expect to see more weapons like hel revo, dmr, carbine, double-tap
carbine might be your best bet for a beginner because you can get a lot of output out if it quickly up close (kinda like the two guns you picked) and also has a good natural reload unlike hel revo/dmr/double-tap

[unique ginkgo]

then game easy

[unique ginkgo]

game woulrd be too easy

[pastel dagger]

let them adjust to pub experience

[blissful dome]

:P

[pastel dagger]

good practice for future carry

[unique ginkgo]

I've played pubs plenty

[blissful dome]

mb on your last run though

that was

[unique ginkgo]

I just hate C2

[pastel dagger]

well

[blissful dome]

i dont want to talk about it

[pastel dagger]

i bet u didnt try pressing matchmake

so u dont know shit

[blissful dome]

no

[jade iron]

which c2? r2c2?

[blissful dome]

^

[unique ginkgo]

yes

[pastel dagger]

i had a really great r8d2 attempt with first time players yesterday

[jade iron]

r2c2 is fun, wdym

[blissful dome]

meh

probably the least fun error

[unique ginkgo]

I forget who but I got carried through r7c2 PE

my brain was mush after

[blissful dome]

that level is ass long

for no reason

[pastel dagger]

i need to play that level more

[jade iron]

I've never actually thought about what the least-fun error in the game would be

[pallid anvil]

Bad level

Good thing you did

[blissful dome]

i meant like full error level but

[blissful dome]

^

[blissful dome]

wait this isnt entirely true i count r3d1

but you know what i mean

[pastel dagger]

u count r5a3?

[pallid anvil]

Also bad level

[blissful dome]

no?

why would

huh

[pastel dagger]

secondary?

[blissful dome]

meh

[pallid anvil]

Same thing to R5D1 bad levels

[blissful dome]

ew

r5d1

[jade iron]

full level errors are kind of a thing they used to do in earlier rundown level design, imo it's kinda sketch

[blissful dome]

i mean

r8e1 is a full error

[pallid anvil]

SKETCH?

[blissful dome]

wrong opinion

objectively

[jade iron]

nah it's warden protocol, scripted waves

[blissful dome]

does it look like i care

[pastel dagger]

early level design is a sketch yes

r7c3 overload

[blissful dome]

?

[pallid anvil]

R6C3 is scripted

[pastel dagger]

really fun

[pallid anvil]

Idk about R8E1

[blissful dome]

probably is

[pallid anvil]

Cause while soloing you can giant kite

[blissful dome]

r5b4 is scripted right?

[jade iron]

I don't mind r2c2's error, but imo you get better pacing if you vary what people are facing, i.e. don't throw the same 3 strikers at players the whole time

[pallid anvil]

Bad level

[blissful dome]

true

[pallid anvil]

R6C3 from wish.com

[jade iron]

I like r6c3?

[blissful dome]

lmao

[pallid anvil]

Yes you should :3

[blissful dome]

valid

[jade iron]

I also like r8e1 fwiw

fire level

[blissful dome]

its

fun

[jade iron]

we don't need the "not a real E level" detour btw

[blissful dome]

i know

:3

<3

[jade iron]

👍

[blissful dome]

ahem

not a re-

[unique ginkgo]

KDS Deep fake E level ong

[blissful dome]

noooo

:C

[unique ginkgo]

D level ongf

[blissful dome]

wait what levels have you done yet

[blissful dome]

ehhh

c

[unique ginkgo]

A few

it's very scattered because pubs

[blissful dome]

ah

[unique ginkgo]

I've almost finished the first 3 run downs though

[blissful dome]

:D

do d1 yet?

for r3

fun level

[unique ginkgo]

yes

[blissful dome]

:D

[unique ginkgo]

before c1

[blissful dome]

c1 is

meh

theres

fog

[unique ginkgo]

they're all forgettable

imo

[blissful dome]

d1

[unique ginkgo]

not R1C1 though

[blissful dome]

r3a3 is the better starting reactor

[jade iron]

lol r1c1 is impossible

doubt even the vets have managed to finish that one

[blissful dome]

real?

[honest parrot]

??

[jade iron]

fr

[blissful dome]

🙏

fnrslvr misinfo goes hard

[jade iron]

biggest there ever was btw

[blissful dome]

hel shotty bad

[jade iron]

it never makes it into my loadouts

[blissful dome]

damn

[jade iron]

but hel shotty is one dirty piece of hardware

[blissful dome]

its a good gun though

do you not like it?

[jade iron]

nah I like it

[blissful dome]

hm

[jade iron]

I find that when I want to really go hard on mopping up waves I bring it in

but then something or other makes it an issue

like r2e1, it just didn't turn out to be it during the moment-to-moment error, killing isolated/spread-out strikers and stuff

[blissful dome]

Hm

[jade iron]

r5c1 I wanted it for the S scan, but the engagements were weird, I'd end up ammo-imbalanced

these are duo takes btw

[blissful dome]

Ah

[pastel dagger]

ifo cope

hel shotgun is trash

just take hel iron

[blissful dome]

What special?

[jade iron]

usually pair hel shotty with har or revo, I want something to take on the nimble generalist role that you usually use a main for

[blissful dome]

Hm

[jade iron]

only time I'll vouch for har, btw

[junior latch]

Not rly

4 shots vs 6 shots on optimal play

hel gun can legit kill it faser

[pastel dagger]

if u go hel shotgun u go combat shotgun boom boom boom

[blissful dome]

I think that was meant ammo wise

Idk

[honest parrot]

that was a quick rebuttal

[blissful dome]

Lmao

Lurking

Is Tru currently lurking

[jade iron]

I don't know, I respect that hel shotty is potent even if it typically doesn't slot well into my duo planning

[blissful dome]

That's fair

;3

Lmao

Is the best high cal ttk not 1.8?

.45 shot delay

Wait

4 shots?

Paper is 1.35 seconds starting from first shot

Perfect aim

[junior latch]

it is

[blissful dome]

Lmao

[junior latch]

high cal also losing damage basically immediatly isnt considered

[blissful dome]

High cal promotion goes hard

[honest parrot]

losing damage?

how does it lose damage exactly?

[jade iron]

I still find all this "hel gun is terrible into hybrids" stuff pretty weird

[blissful dome]

It's fine lmao

[jade iron]

I don't know, again I'm probably biased by low-man play

[sharp siren]

You can find the tip very usable on the E levels

Lots of ammo to shoot

[pastel dagger]

i find all these convos pretty weird like yall just playing solo? 3 mates shooting everywhere u dont need to know this

[jade iron]

but like, you fire the gun you got at the enemies that you're facing?

[blissful dome]

You'd like that wouldnt you

[jade iron]

nah, I think high cal is pretty similar to hel gun into hybrids

maybe a bit better because 5 shots is fewer needed to land than whatever it is with hel gun

but it's still generalist gun kill rates

[gusty burrow]

1.35 (4 High Cal shots) vs 1.7 (6 HEL Gun shots)

[jade iron]

or chip with main

[gusty burrow]

We literally did this math earlier

[blissful dome]

Not sure if value on hybrids gives me high cal as the first thought

[jade iron]

lol, I've been making mg work against hybrids in r5e1 duos

you just stretch the gun to kill the thing

[pastel dagger]

hammer first thought

[blissful dome]

You did first lmao

:/

[gusty burrow]

I think the bigger thing in the Hybrid matchup is that High Cal will light stagger with a headshot, so you get a significant reprieve while dealing your best damage.

While with HEL Gun you won't headshot stagger. So you either headshot twice before the barrage starts (very constraining) or are forced to lose damage by limb breaking instead.

[pastel dagger]

hel gun good

but high cal is so nice

[junior latch]

that also means tho that you wont insta kill as fast as you think

unless you wanna hit hybrids on a stagger with a hs

[gusty burrow]

Also HEL Gun actually doesn't kill in 1.7s because I have massive skill issue for pressing the button within 0.1s

[jade iron]

they don't differ that much from bigs in terms of being bullet sponges imo

[junior latch]

then again, youd insta cancel barrage anyway

[blissful dome]

What exactly are you arguing again?

[junior latch]

howd you get 1.7 sec charge up btw true (saw it earler)

[gusty burrow]

You don't want to insta cancel barrage.

You want to stagger during the wind up so that no shots even leave the Hyrbid.

[junior latch]

want, yes
but you still can do the other

[gusty burrow]

5 0.1s shot delays + 6 0.2s charge up

[jade iron]

I think you remain on an island with this one

[junior latch]

dont you start the next charge up during shot delay or am i tripping?

[blissful dome]

I remember you taking about hcp being better waveclear too

[pastel dagger]

can we just move hel gun to main and pick high cal

[blissful dome]

Lmao

[junior latch]

like the gun starts shooting faster after the first shot

[jade iron]

I believe you're correct

[junior latch]

also even if we agree that high cal is better

id say its mostly a high cal >= hel gun into hybrids

[blissful dome]

So what's your argument?

It does lose value

[jade iron]

I agree that high cal has marginal advantage into hybrids v hel gun

[blissful dome]

Why interject

[jade iron]

but it's like not a big deal

[pastel dagger]

i had to look it up but

my r4e1 clear was with assault rifle and choke mod

[honest parrot]

I feel like I'm asking about machine pistol and hel pistol again

[pastel dagger]

wtf was i thinking

[blissful dome]

Ar user

[gusty burrow]

If you're even a smidge late on cancelling a Hybrid barrage then there's 3-4 shots headed your way.

That's a lot of incoming damage, which you don't want to eat. So it forces movement from you, which is a massive deal. And if you do get hit you get aimpunched, which is a massive deal again.

[pastel dagger]

how did i even pull it off

idk

[jade iron]

high cal is fine, hel gun is just unhinged strong

[honest parrot]

ar choke is fine on paper

[pastel dagger]

former ar user yes

[honest parrot]

Shouldn't be that bad

[pastel dagger]

that completion was like

alt r4 release

[junior latch]

@gusty burrow

Id presume youd know

[blissful dome]

Just cause you lose a lot of value doesn't mean hcp is bad

Hel gun is just

Hel gun

[pastel dagger]

it was simultaneously aight and the most scuffed run ever conceived

[honest parrot]

I mean it's better than my machine pistol revolver attempts at anything

[blissful dome]

Wasn't it you who brought up hcp anyways?

[pastel dagger]

machinepistol revolver is aight

[honest parrot]

It really isn't

[pastel dagger]

at r5b4 i started losing belief in it tho

[honest parrot]

You have zero crowdclear

[pastel dagger]

but before that is ok

[jade iron]

dude, I remember back when I was like the only, lone standing defender of high cal being good in og r7
and then they nerfed it and I was like "NO NOT LIKE THAT"

[blissful dome]

L

[junior latch]

high cal vs noticeably more than 6 small enemies „i need ma main“

is a bigger difference than hel gun taking a few extra shots into hybrids ngl

[pastel dagger]

high cal is nice

[junior latch]

eh thats not true

[pastel dagger]

if u have 6+ enemies just shoot high cal to the brim and whip out your hammer

ez

[jade iron]

strictly worse choke mod 🤔

[blissful dome]

Wh

[gusty burrow]

You have to wait the shot delay before you're allowed to start charging again.

[blissful dome]

You can't shoot regulars with hcp either

What's your point

[jade iron]

...that's not true?

[pastel dagger]

u know how use hel gun?

[blissful dome]

Also hel gun has pen

[pastel dagger]

cant shoot regulars he says

kekw

[blissful dome]

:3

[sharp owl]

i wish sleepy was here to put you all in your place

[blissful dome]

NOOOOOO

[junior latch]

wouldnt that mean hel gun shoots slower after the first shot?

[gusty burrow]

I literally have a 0.5s charge up 1s shot delay hel gun video with 1.5s between shots open RIGHT NOW

[blissful dome]

.5 charge up

Oh god

[high orchid]

wouldn't that just make it hel rifle lite?

[jade iron]

I'm not going to argue, but god damn do I feel gaslit right now

[blissful dome]

Moment

[pastel dagger]

hel gun bruh momentum disallows u from shooting regulars

[blissful dome]

Someone did tell me it was the other way around

What is b3 again

Sorry I don't play shit levels

[high orchid]

think one objective was terminal command

[pastel dagger]

manbarondenna is typing

[honest parrot]

dario what do you usually pair high cal with

[blissful dome]

Ah

[honest parrot]

Just for reference

I can't get it to work with another pistol

[blissful dome]

Hel revo I assume

[honest parrot]

huh k

[pastel dagger]

skissue

[honest parrot]

I used to burst pistol with it

[pastel dagger]

and u dont need to anyway

[honest parrot]

Thought it was nice

[pastel dagger]

u pair it with hammer

high cal is a very nice gun

if i aint doing hel gun im doing high cal

[high orchid]

high cal still feels like ass I'd use hel gun over it any day

[blissful dome]

Eww

Not by much

Lmao

[pastel dagger]

idk mate i had a blast vs chargers with high cal last night

its so fun

[blissful dome]

The issue is

[jade iron]

does anyone know the exact stagger delay on a charger scout?

[blissful dome]

The slight difference does nothing

[junior latch]

for what reason?

also soft or hard

btw you can technically kill a charger scout to the front with hel shotgun

[pastel dagger]

seeing how u dont know that hel gun has pen

[jade iron]

as in what would the window between shots need to be before hel gun would not be able to 2tap a charger scout?

[pastel dagger]

i will take hel gun in that instance

[blissful dome]

[jade iron]

filth

[junior latch]

Hel gun

delete smalls

Whip out main to stop hybrids barrage

Reload. Kill hybrids

[blissful dome]

Real

[high orchid]

I imagine hel shotgun shoots fast enough to kill it before it screams with the stagger?

[blissful dome]

Oml

So you can bring up main use when it fits you?

Main to finish hybrid is fine

But main to stagger?

[junior latch]

How is it useless

[blissful dome]

Nah

[pastel dagger]

we arent talking about 3 teammates either....

[shut vapor]

Mines to deal with smalls and yourself

[blissful dome]

Real

[junior latch]

then high cal is actualy not good vs waves of over 7 enemies in your face

[blissful dome]

After this argument lmao

[junior latch]

[pastel dagger]

same with any gun

[blissful dome]

Ok

[pastel dagger]

crazy

just take scatter

[junior latch]

so what are you gonna do about the hybrids then?

[blissful dome]

Sorry forgot hel gun couldn't do this

[pastel dagger]

forget about everything else

[high orchid]

if you want to deal with smalls like that just use revo

[jade iron]

back when I duo'd r7e1 with choke mods, I was fond of saying there is no waveclear in r7e1
It seems to me like your position is that there is no waveclear in gtfo

[blissful dome]

Ok

[pastel dagger]

that how it goes in gtfo chat

first time?

[high orchid]

better said, first time on discord?

so can hel rifle

[pastel dagger]

but that unit... it scares me

[shut vapor]

So can scattergun

[jade iron]

right, so there's no waveclear in gtfo

[blissful dome]

Dario wtf are you arguing

[pastel dagger]

if no waveclear in gtfo

hel shotgun actually bad?

[jade iron]

I feel like it's uncontroversial that into waves, hel gun >> high cal

[blissful dome]

You said you were arguing hcp is better into hybrids

[jade iron]

this brings us back to this island of yours where high cal >> hel gun against hybrids

[blissful dome]

Island

[junior latch]

Ok you gotta admit

this reminded me of „when the fire nation attacked“

[jade iron]

I don't really care that much about ttk

[static crane]

can someone help me w R1C1 Reconnect

[honest parrot]

Pablo

[blissful dome]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[static crane]

i fail w it too many times

[junior latch]

fn doesnt

That was ray

[blissful dome]

Lmao

[junior latch]

is fine*

[honest parrot]

@static crane If you need help in terms of people to help you play go to lfg
If you have questions rn best ask them somewhere else

They're having another arguement

Unless you want to scroll

[jade iron]

are you trying to actually be reasonable, or are you just trying to take swipes at people who disagree with you?

[static crane]

understood ty bro

[blissful dome]

:P

[junior latch]

Theres a gtfo related questions if you are asking for knowledge stuff

[blissful dome]

You argue that hcp doesn't lose too much for waveclear

[jade iron]

I'm just telling you how I experience the game and what allows me to get shit done, usually in low-man runs

[blissful dome]

But then get angry when people say hel gun doesn't lose too much into hybrids

[honest parrot]

@junior latch did this used to happen a lot

I feel like I've seen this before

[blissful dome]

You certainly sound so

:3

"a lot"

[junior latch]

What exactly

[blissful dome]

Arguments

[honest parrot]

Arguing over weapons

Again

[junior latch]

oh yea

[honest parrot]

Like over and over again

[jade iron]

me?

[pastel dagger]

mate missed sleepy era

[blissful dome]

Me

[pastel dagger]

hel shotgun discussions every day i loved it

[jade iron]

ah

[junior latch]

I mean IFO is kind of a troll

not wrong

[blissful dome]

:3

[pastel dagger]

u go to sleep = hel shotgun discussion
u wake up = its still going on
@honest parrot

it was amazing

[junior latch]

i personally think the difference between high cal and hel gun on hybrids is there

But its also not that big

Hel gun in comparision is slightly better into actual giants, waves and flyers

Chargers

and nightmares

but hybrids high cal has a marginal edge

Especially ease of use

Which in general is high cals biggest strength

Pen is too good vs them tbf

Its very easily

Hel rifle > hel gun > other stuff

for nightmares

especially hel revo + hel rife go hard

[dawn echo]

can somebody explain these R3B2 or whatever i dont get it

[junior latch]

Big chicken

Is there even bigger ones

[blissful dome]

?

[junior latch]

[junior latch]

Hm?

[dawn echo]

like in lfg people put R3B2

[blissful dome]

The level

[junior latch]

R3 = Rundown 3
B2 = the level B2

[blissful dome]

^

[junior latch]

so they are looking to play rundown 3 level B2

[dawn echo]

whats rundown?

[junior latch]

A campaign

[blissful dome]

Do you have the game

[dawn echo]

ohhh

so if i put L1B1?

[honest parrot]

We don't have Ls

[blissful dome]

R1b1

[junior latch]

youd do

LF1 R1B1

[honest parrot]

So people will think you're playing modded

Follow the structure in #how-to-matchmake

If you get it wrong we'll tell you

[junior latch]

but id probably recommend trying a run with bots first to get the basica of the basics

[blissful dome]

^

[jade iron]

anyway, I feel like you're trying to convince us that there's no waveclear that high cal can't solo, and then turning around and trying to to tell us that ttk of high cal v hel run is life and death
maybe there's room for one or both of these things to be true, but one of them sounds hardline "fine differences between guns don't matter" and the other sounds like "the guns are far apart on this particular thing and that's a big deal"

[blissful dome]

^

That is what I have been saying

It sounds like you don't actually have an argument

[sharp siren]

Its sounds like he likes the tip

[dawn echo]

can i also get help how do i ping a voice channel like others do?

[blissful dome]

Real?

[sharp siren]

You should use the tip

Dario

Im been fr

[blissful dome]

Copy the link of the vc

When you make one

[dawn echo]

sorry to ask but how do i do that?

[honest parrot]

1. click on Create Team of 4

[blissful dome]

Known troll bd

[dawn echo]

nevermind

[blissful dome]

Right click the channel you're in

[honest parrot]

I can walk you through it but not here

[jade iron]

also "hel gun is giga-cracked, high cal is good but overshadowed" only matters insofar as 10cc randomly decides to turn around in 6 months time and rebalance the guns again

[blissful dome]

You got it?

[jade iron]

like it's okay to like the gun that isn't the giga-busted goat

like I said, I was alone on the "high cal good actually" island back in the day

then 10cc freak-nerfed high cal and I was suddenly like BUT IT WASN'T EVEN GOOD, EVERYONE WAS SAYING IT WAS WEAK

[junior latch]

No

[high orchid]

I still miss my 12 clip PR

[junior latch]

[blissful dome]

:C

Silly...

[jade iron]

patch notes in September: "High Caliber Pistol: damage reduced to temper high cal's excessive potency into hybrids"

[blissful dome]

Hmmmm

[jade iron]

you literally said high cal was a worse choke mod

[gusty burrow]

Not completely relevant, but a small anecdote.

I remember when they buffed high cal damage back to 30, and people tried it out, and they were like "omg high cal is insane it's so cool that they made it good again"... while they were shooting just strikers with it.

[blissful dome]

Didn't it not change for

[junior latch]

i said they were effectively the same but choke had a slight edge

which at the time was applicable as it had more versatility

[jade iron]

I didn't really come back to the gun, but before the nerf I was mostly using it into chargers and bigs

[junior latch]

i never said high cal wasnt good lol

at worst i had it at like 3rd if at all

[jade iron]

like yes, of course also strikers because your special usually needs to be able to do that

but I think the potency of high cal into spongier enemies is a big part of its bargain

[little ridge]

I keep having the impression that everyone talks about gun X in a scenario were they're 100% alone in a room against enemy Y

does it, now? Assuming you're 100% playing solo sure but otherwise even a sentry skews it up

I didnt scroll back to read ALL of the premise

[honest parrot]

sleepo don't start
they've been on this for hours

[blissful dome]

Sleepo

:3

[little ridge]

I like starting

[gusty burrow]

Are piercing weapons the strongest because they remove the ability for your teammates to block your shots 🤔

[honest parrot]

oh no

Welp nice to see you here I guess

[blissful dome]

Real

[jade iron]

I still remember the very moment on ari's stream where you said "high cal is a worse choke mod", I basically said "wait wtf", and then we had an argument in discord dms where you rolled out all sorts of arguments about aimbotting 4 things with choke and reloading vs high cal's kill rate

[shut vapor]

Joined the convo too late to understand the full context.

Joined too early to see Sleepyboi return

[shut vapor]

Your teammates are just untagged enemies

[little ridge]

yes

It's also satisfying to end up shooting a sod because he wanted to melee the remaining 5 enemies

[high orchid]

my teammates when they walk in front of me crouching while im waiting for enemies to line up:

[junior latch]

I still think choke has a theoretical higher ceiling

And iirc my argument was that for rly good players that was the case. But for most players high cal wave clear was slightly better

[little ridge]

As if 5 more shots would spell the end of the run due to bullet deficiency

[blissful dome]

Bishop is that you

[jade iron]

i think this was also among the warmest high cal takes btw

[junior latch]

oh yea some people have had weird takes

what would be my worst total…

[blissful dome]

Hcp can't kill a single shooter :C

[junior latch]

I underrated hel shotgun for 4 levels i guess saying it was bad

then i realized it was giga busted

[jade iron]

9m

[blissful dome]

:3

[high orchid]

just hit headshots

[blissful dome]

^

Shooter...

Big head

[junior latch]

9m? What

wouldnt it be closer to 8.x smth?

is it actually 9?

[jade iron]

lowest round number that a body hit won't kill at

wasn't trying to go for 2+ significant figures

[blissful dome]

I hate rounding

Give me 2000 sig figs pleas

[junior latch]

ah

[blissful dome]

I mean tbf

Use 3

[little ridge]

scientifically it's 42 after .

IIRC

just round it up to a decimal and who cares

as if anyone could recognize 0.1m differences ingame while playing

[jade iron]

I don't know man, "is this weapon good" arguments on gtfo-chat are tiring

[junior latch]

its even more stupud now with intentional meme takes

[latent palm]

Omg haiii sleepo

[latent palm]

Stupud

[little ridge]

It's like characters in gacha: use what you like, that's what lady Ningguang told

[latent palm]

When stream eva

I missed yesterday stream

[jade iron]

like if you've played the game long enough and know what you're doing, and think you can get some comparative advantage out of a loadout, winning the gtfo-chat debate about it isn't important

[honest parrot]

I'm surprsied you're trying to win

[little ridge]

I've rarely seen a pub fail because of weapon choices and not how they used said weapons or sabotaged the run in any other way

[honest parrot]

Whenever I ask about machine pis vs hel pis I can never win

[jade iron]

nah it just seems like some people are getting overly rankled by it

[little ridge]

hel pp for the win

[blissful dome]

True

[latent palm]

Honorable mention of @gusty burrow

Truu always win

[blissful dome]

Helpp..

[honest parrot]

what do you mean help

[blissful dome]

[latent palm]

When asked if i threw on R7D2 charger door.

[gusty burrow]

Me when people say things about how good HEL Gun is: "yes, but you forgot to consider... I am bad"
(I physically cannot reclick within the 0.1s window to get good fire rate)

[latent palm]

Tru would say “nah, id win”

[high orchid]

honestly the fact hel gun has that short delay fucks with my head whenever I try to use it

[gusty burrow]

The shot delay or the charge up?

[high orchid]

shot delay

[gusty burrow]

If you click and hold within the shot delay you'll start charging up immediately

[blissful dome]

^

[gusty burrow]

If you can click fast enough it is just like it has a 0.3s charge up between shots for all but the first, with a nice 0.1s input buffer

[honest parrot]

hey tru hel pis or machine pis

[wraith marsh]

Hel rifle

[honest parrot]

pls be machine pis

[gusty burrow]

Machine Pistol my beloved

[blissful dome]

It's over

[gusty burrow]

I love that gun

But HEL Auto is "stronger" imo

[high orchid]

I miss the ammo capacity of pre buff hel pp

shit like never ran out of ammo to stagger shit with

[junior latch]

If you are only playing to stagger it doesnt rly matter

and if you are staggering giants you got more ammo even

[high orchid]

why stagger giant when can hel rifle