gtfo-chat

[jagged citrus]

soon as the scan's done i run for the hills

or at least give a valid spawn location 2 rooms away so killing enemies buys you at least a ltitle time

[daring ginkgo]

Yeah

[jagged citrus]

its so cringe that they just respawn right on top of you

[daring ginkgo]

Yeah, that 1 small room with door

You kill them, they come again from thin air

[jagged citrus]

scaler recommended saving that door for the next surge

but tbh i prefer to use it on the first one cuz the first one is harder imo

[daring ginkgo]

Second and third surge alarm is 10x easier than 1st

[jagged citrus]

who cares if there's hybrids we have DOORS

[robust dawn]

idk people seem to just ignore the hybrids

[daring ginkgo]

Wdym

[robust dawn]

they die

[daring ginkgo]

How you can ignore hybrids, if 3 of them shoot at you like Machineguns

[jagged citrus]

bring burst cannon

[robust dawn]

idk people just overwhelmed somehow

[junior latch]

you can damage them with anything and they will stop shooting

[jagged citrus]

or that

[junior latch]

first surge is super easy tho?

[daring ginkgo]

Yeeeah, not so easy, if they shoot from different directions

[junior latch]

you litteraly can just move through the room

[jagged citrus]

listen some of us dont have 10k hours in this game

[robust dawn]

bring auto pp

[junior latch]

no like
first is actually just moving up and down the terrain

[jagged citrus]

yeah its not that bad lmao

its bad if you bring 3 bots

[little ridge]

auto pp is broken use that to stagger waves

or just literally 1 burst with anything on hybrids during the shooting animation

since during that they take more stagger IIRC

but an hel pp will just bypass the issue

[daring ginkgo]

I had like 3 attempts one after another, when 1st scan was close to only door

And if you kill enemies, they spawn right under your nose in that room

[jagged citrus]

best strat ive found is to kite and dodge while the line figures out what it wants to do, and then park your ass in the scan and magdump

[daring ginkgo]

Why that only room can spawn enemies, i have no idea

It just visually stupid

[alpine scaffold]

Yes I know its "safe" even soloing it
But it can be 3x faster with 1 more real people

And it will be a huge pain in the ass on room scans

[jagged citrus]

enemies spawn 2 rooms away from wherever the players are

unless, of course, there are no valid spawn locations that are 2 rooms away

in which case it goes to the next best thing, which is spawning 1 room away

so for that first surge htey can spawn behind that door in the side room, or in the area where you dropped in

because fuck you\

[daring ginkgo]

Just let enemies spawn only in beginning of lvl

On this first alarm

[robust dawn]

bots cant jump up the cliff

so ur being slowed down

or down

and they prob spend too much time standing still and shooting

[jagged citrus]

bots suck for surges

they dont understand that half the scan is evasion\

[alpine scaffold]

At least bots doesnt take infection

[daring ginkgo]

And can track obj items

[robust dawn]

?

[alpine scaffold]

Pick up objective item

[jagged citrus]

tell a bot to "pick up objective item" and theyll grab it wherever it is as long as they;re in the same room

[daring ginkgo]

Or you can use it for seeing, in which zone there are obj item, if you spam command in each room

In case it is alarm and bots cannot pick this item

[alpine scaffold]

@daring ginkgo you can still use zombified initiative to control bots resource usage

The resource usage itself is broken but the resource pick-up works fine

If you'll do the entire game with bots, it'll be huge

[daring ginkgo]

No mods

[daring ginkgo]

i mean, i have nothing against some QoL mods, like minimap or more pings

[alpine scaffold]

Well, with zombified you can tell bots what resource to pick-up and when / Who to use them

People will blame you only if you use the kill sleepers key or something

[analog flicker]

no no.

K I L L TEAMMATES

[daring ginkgo]

new pb, i moved few more rooms on zone 606 xd

[blissful dome]

You don't need bots for that

[wraith marsh]

jish goin broke

[pine root]

i thought

they were gonna have

like 20+ by now

[wraith marsh]

its a long stream

[jagged citrus]

gtfo is a pvp game

[feral lodge]

anyone got a match open or ready?

[daring ginkgo]

you can check lfg channels

[rose nova]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you havent, be sure to do the tutorial first [on the top left] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[mellow hedge]

I will get more

[pine root]

You don’t get as much time as I thought

the 100%ers

Finishing r3 in 9 hours btw

[junior latch]

96 hours is a lot

[pine root]

Yeah

i think we were slower?

[junior latch]

no

i dont think so?

[pine root]

I don’t remember

Estimated time was 7:30 or something

[junior latch]

wasnt it like 5?

estimated

[pine root]

130 for r1

3 hours for 2

3 for 3

[junior latch]

1:30?

[pine root]

i thought

[junior latch]

thats long

[pine root]

yeah

[junior latch]

expected should be 1-1:10 no?

[pine root]

it is incase we fuck around

and find out

but yeah

it should be 1:10

[junior latch]

1:30-1:45 for r3

[pine root]

WOW

that is really fast i thin k

2 hours flat is very reasonable

[junior latch]

honestly

these are sensible times

7, 7, 19, 12, 10, 12, 13

[pine root]

r3

yeah

your might be right

[junior latch]

adds up to 1:20

[wraith marsh]

tbf jish

you guys spent like

[junior latch]

r1
4, 6, 8, 21, 12, 10

[wraith marsh]

a full hour on tech issues

or more

[mellow hedge]

Fucking desynchronise

Bro

[junior latch]

yea

[mellow hedge]

Autocorrect making me look weird

[pine root]

and

lobby time

[junior latch]

2 1/2 hours R1 + R3 is doable chill

[pine root]

holy shit

like

[junior latch]

then R2 played safe

6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 12, 12, 20, 45, 40

[pine root]

yeah

feels very reasonable

[junior latch]

near 3

so like <6

if you get decent rng and run clean can do sub 5 for sure

r2c2 alone can safe you 5 min since my time is with mandatory 116

Fuck that zone

[undone rain]

Heyy we onlyneed one more person on lobby 436 !

[sharp owl]

fake

[rose nova]

hello! just for future refernece, u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[mellow hedge]

@upbeat onyx you guys suck ASS

[robust dawn]

toxic

[pine root]

kinda hot

[mellow hedge]

[burnt flume]

someone's upset that they can't play samdown!

[mellow hedge]

Na we will play it on the streamathon

[upbeat onyx]

STFU

[mellow hedge]

Love you 😘

[thick temple]

is the streamathon all objectives? i thought it was mains only

[rose nova]

depends on the people playing n the time left

they said if they had time n stuff they would do sectors

[burnt flume]

but will you play r4e1 sec?

[mellow hedge]

Yes

Possibly tomorrow

[burnt flume]

ok I'll be watching

if you get it sub 40 then I donate $40, with potentially more money for every minute barrier broken below that

[rose nova]

i was about to say 'the goat' but the goat is writing rn

teehee

[burnt flume]

I am not heartless so i will be giving a consolation donation if you fail

[mellow hedge]

Lmao

We will rush

For sure

[burnt flume]

gl

40 minutes isn't unfair

[earnest forge]

I will definitely be watching that

[junior latch]

Resetting for better keys

[wraith marsh]

no resetting

be chads

[sharp owl]

real and true

[stable copper]

Sleep is for the weaks

[honest parrot]

Hey how did the first runs go?

[burnt flume]

there's a sub 40 logless that went plenty bad, no resets required

[junior latch]

yea
but you are on weird setup

while under different environment with potentially awful keys

And if you die you dont just get to freely reset

(I was kidding with the resettings obviously )

sub 40 is a good goal tho

[undone rain]

Oh ok thanks !

[pine root]

There is a big difference between playing levels in marathon than IL speeds

[wraith marsh]

sub 40 with bad keys plenty doable

just gotta game out

[pine root]

It is

[wraith marsh]

hit the 1 cycle on stream

[pseudo sedge]

We'll see if we can adapt fast enough and also first time speedrun it with this group

[pine root]

But doing it with 100% no wipe chance

Is much harder

[pseudo sedge]

Imagine we actually get to show it

That would be so funny

[pine root]

We hit it yesterday btw

In a real run

[wraith marsh]

jish

we did it third run on last night with basically the same circumstances

2 ppl who have run the level the same way before and 2 ppl "new"

no resetting

[pine root]

I know

[wraith marsh]

it is doable

[pine root]

but we also aren’t needing to clear

100% of the time

[junior latch]

that is… not quite the same circumstance

[wraith marsh]

40$ is 40$

[junior latch]

but close

[wraith marsh]

worth throwing for tbh

[pine root]

Na 40$ vs i need to make 40$ in the next hour

[junior latch]

people underestimate how much setup (keyboard/mouse and screen) matter

[wraith marsh]

I dont think ppl do

[junior latch]

oh they do

[wraith marsh]

anyone who plays the game and has gone to college for a semester

probably knows

[junior latch]

litteraly happeed today on stream

[pseudo sedge]

It still just feels uncomfortable

[wraith marsh]

did anyone write down their game settings

[pseudo sedge]

So it is a challenge

[wraith marsh]

I always forget to do that

and massively regret it

[pseudo sedge]

DPI varies from mouse to mouse anywya

Didn't check in windows their DPI to do math

[wraith marsh]

its worth nerding out over

adjusting to sens is horrible

[upbeat yacht]

i just saw the R6D3 clutch recover at respaw room

holy shit that was good

[modern coral]

I have a pinned DM w/ an IRL friend so I can update between game versions.

[burnt flume]

i have them all comitted to memory (and I am not joking)

[broken citrus]

@pseudo sedge how do i become as cool as u?

[pine root]

@earnest forge

NOOO

the wall strikes again

[earnest forge]

The "leave no one behind" call was probably unwise.

[pine root]

it is kinda a nasty room

to get reses in

ngl

i think the play is to spawn block res

if you are going for it

[lapis zinc]

Sex

[unkempt briar]

God I wish

[lost lynx]

can someone make a recap of how the stream is going

[quartz cape]

no

[lost lynx]

rude

i will call the mods

[little ridge]

Could you react with a ":me:"? Thanks.

[lost lynx]

🫃

[visual lily]

Can i play jetpack joyride on your phone

[burnt flume]

vets win, everyone else wipes on C tiers

[blissful dome]

lmaoooo

[burnt flume]

it's true you know

[blissful dome]

i cant deny this but

💀

eva wiped r4c2 smh

[burnt flume]

unfortunate!

should've played better with the slug sniper loadout

[blissful dome]

^^^^

sniper clears babies

smh

theres so much speaking

this is not what i imagine when i think of gtfo

[rose nova]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[ripe void]

H

[rose nova]

i

[pine root]

Tbh

They kinda need to pick up the pace

[burnt flume]

I think so too

wipes kinda hurt

[honest parrot]

I didn't tune in for a while, is the wiping terrible?

[burnt flume]

It wastes a lot of time

[lost lynx]

R5B3

[burnt flume]

Entirely likely that 2 hours of gameplay was lost to wiping runs

[lost lynx]

interesting

[honest parrot]

I believe they truly think that the speedrunners will carry some of the harder ones

[lost lynx]

2 hours is okay

[honest parrot]

That's why they're mostly fooling around

[burnt flume]

It's not even that they're fooling around, unfortunate mistakes happen and lead to wipes

speedrun team is going to go hard I guess, at least they're not forced to do optionals

[pine root]

They wanted to do optionals tho

They also have the e tiers to do

Like

They are still on pace to clearing

All levels

But it is much closer than it should be

1 hour per level and we are close to that

[rose nova]

79 hours vs 55 missions

idk it doesnt seemed so bad

the issue is rn theres tech issues

[pine root]

Bread and Maako kinda got fucked

Very lame

[sharp owl]

i blame lethal company

[pine root]

It isn’t like

They have insane speeders to catch up tho

like forosty can only do some much

and being behind a about 6 levels worth of wipes might matter

[junior latch]

A lot of it is pauses aswell

[rose nova]

i mean true they do wipe on not so hard levels

[junior latch]

They are obviously necessary

[rose nova]

and they leaing most d tiers

[junior latch]

but taking 15 min of pauses every 3 missions is

[rose nova]

tbh i think thats why they starting to message creators in the pauses they have

mako wasnt supposed to be on rn but they just brought em in, which is cool but

a bit out of nowhere

and the tech issues ont help

like its been 40 mins n nothing has happened

[wraith marsh]

I think

[rose nova]

they shouldve had someone in the office in case of tech issues tbh

[wraith marsh]

they dont actually care about clearing every level

[rose nova]

i mean true it doesnt rlly matter in the end

its charity

[junior latch]

sucks for bread…

just rly oof

[pine root]

They are at one level every 56 mins

ATM

Which is almost behind pace

Hopefully bread catches us back up with 3 quick levels

[wraith marsh]

r5b4

will be a quick level at this rate

[mystic moss]

tbf they can make that time up cause every level in r1-r3 is easily sub 1 hour

[junior latch]

Damn what?

[wraith marsh]

the speedrunners

might need to do r8e2 insta tomorrow

[mystic moss]

they have to unlock first lol and beat all of the previous rundowns

[pine root]

they can but they don’t have the most insane players and it isn’t like the hard e tiers haven’t been beaten yet

[wraith marsh]

what

are they saving r8 for last or smth

[pine root]

Yeah

[wraith marsh]

huh

didnt know that

[mystic moss]

yeah, but they're also gated by whatever level completions they have on the dev's account

a bit goofy but whatever

[pine root]

So e tiers aren’t unlocked yet?

[mystic moss]

pretty sure

[pine root]

oh

[junior latch]

Problem
R8 is last. And 2 of them leave a tad early iirc

[pine root]

I think that isn’t correct

[wraith marsh]

damn

so basically they arent finishing period

got it

[pine root]

Eva you could have hosted the levels no

[junior latch]

Yea thats why i wanted to do as much of R4

[junior latch]

technically

but i wasnt gonna do an E tier with them most likely since i sat in wait screen for ~25 min with the boys and then had dev runs

plus r6d3 and r3d1 were locked for me

[pine root]

Oh

[junior latch]

Its crazy that the average run is 56 min??

[pine root]

The last 5 hours

Have been mostly wiped

like no level clears

Since r6c3

All wipes pretty much

[junior latch]

like we finished 7 in my 4 hours and that includes like 40 min of downtime, a wipe on r4c2 and then r6d3pe as a clear

Oh god

[pine root]

Yes

But these are strongish players

And we are not getting level clears

[junior latch]

R1C1 wipe was a travesty

[pine root]

Also the speedrunners don’t have the levels they want to play open

Yeah

It was very sad

It can happen tho

R4d1 was a sad one

R5b3 was a sad one

R3a3 went well tho

[junior latch]

??

[pine root]

I was worried about code 6 thought we were gonna see term play go down then it spiral

[pine root]

Wdym ????

[sharp owl]

is it just random teams making a collective effort to finish the entirety of gtfo?

[pine root]

Yes

[sharp owl]

neat

[pine root]

All mains

[sharp owl]

PE's?

oh

lame

[pine root]

All mains

[sharp owl]

yeah i like hit enter right as u said it

[pine root]

Yeah

[sharp owl]

but the optionals are some of the best content :((

[rose nova]

depends

[sharp owl]

can be

often are

usually good

something like that

idk im a completionist

[rose nova]

they did some of the cool ones tho like r5a2 n stuff
but some optionals r a bit eh

im completionist too

but i dont super enjoy every optional

[sharp owl]

i dont but i still do them cos im a slave to the content

[vivid panther]

yeah like the B level reactors

[sharp owl]

havent seen u in a while

[rose nova]

i mean r4b1 is ok

[vivid panther]

but I mean doing PE on r4b1 is kinda boring

[rose nova]

r5b1 doesnt have the right to rlly exist tho

mh idk i kinda like r4b1 sec

rlly for me main is the boring part

sec is the fun i get to pew pew

[vivid panther]

actually nvm I meant R5b1

[rose nova]

oh

yeah r5b1 is such a nothing sandwich

[vivid panther]

r4b1 does not have a overload

[rose nova]

it might be one of the worst designed level in gtfo, throwing a bbc error before even seeing sleeping giants in a main sector, 7 code reactor that shouldve been like 4 at most

and then sec being

sec

at least the bbc error is fun

but it is also not super wow

it turns off fast

[vivid panther]

Its not a bad level but would prefer more isolated scout rooms for main

there was a 2 scout room in main/extreme selector

[rose nova]

in main yeah

the hub room

[mystic moss]

i think the whole design philosophy for r5 was just to make it harder than r4, hence why we got r5b1

[rose nova]

i usualy dont mind like just pew levels like r1c1 but, r5b1 just drags SO badly
i think its fine but i dont like playing it except for like main only

yes

but still i think its badly designed for the most part until the C tiers

well some b tiers r fine

[vivid panther]

feel like b levels should not take ages to complete

early b levels should not take long to complete

[rose nova]

b2 is a bit too hard in the overload in my opinion, its harder than b3 cause in b3 u just spam mines

[junior latch]

well r5b1 main doesnt

[rose nova]

and then b4 is rlly easy

[junior latch]

optionals just work differently

[rose nova]

yeah b1 is rlly rlly short for just main
its kinda like an r4a2 just, worse

in the sene main is short asf

[paper tundra]

r5 is getting on my nerves currently

[rose nova]

but the optionals like make it funky

i still need to do r5d2

i think its fun but

man i hate replaying it just to lose in the reactor

and im gonna have the exact same issue for r7e1

[vivid panther]

fair enough

[rose nova]

its just kind of an inherent flaw with how the game is, cause r5d2 reactor is not rlly half the level, is the final third of it, and it sucks to get there just to die
at least r8||e2 one is at the middle, and it takes like 20 30 mins to get to it, not an hour and a class X||

bad r8 spoils

[jade iron]

are you saying that r1c1 is a better reactor than r5b1ov?

[vivid panther]

r1c1 is only the reactor

[jade iron]

r1c1 is the worst reactor in the game by a wide margin

[rose nova]

iiiiiii
i am
r5b1 reactor might have better enemies and be one wave shorter but taking it as a PE level it just has nothing to do except make the level so much longer

r1c1 at least its only the reactor and then u leave

as just a reactor alone tho r5b1 is better

[jade iron]

yeah but blame r5b1ex if you don't like the length

[rose nova]

but as a whole r5b1 is worse than c1

[vivid panther]

r1c1 is reactor tutorial so Idm it being easy

[jade iron]

I know completionist OCD, but you could just main + overload and then the level is great

[rose nova]

not even completionist but i dont rlly like ov that much tbh

[vivid panther]

the entire gimmick is going back and forth for resources

[rose nova]

its just hard enemies throwned at you and theres much better levels that do it better

its fine for the pew

but

mh

[lusty river]

R5D1 is reactor tutorial

[jade iron]

I'm also not saying r5b1ov is even close to the best reactor

it's just genuinely decent compared to the shitshow that is r1c1

[jade iron]

r4d1? r5d2?

or is a shutduwn a reactor tutorial?

[rose nova]

tutorial

reactor

yes

idk

[junior latch]

r5d1 doesnt rly work like a reactor since its a shutdown

[rose nova]

r1d1 is the true tutorial it shows u to input code and then uh
ignore the alarm

[mystic moss]

isn't every alarm just reactor waves that are infinite

or is every reactor just a finite alarm

[rose nova]

i mean no not rlly

reactor waves have predetermined enemies alarms r more rng

not by like alot

but one giant could spawn or not

thats the whole rng u get

enough to differentiate

[mystic moss]

ok nerd

[rose nova]

:3

anyways back to hating r5 the only good b tier is b3 and b4 even if its boring but at least it has snatchers

i dont like b2 a whole lot sec feels eternal

[lusty river]

I mixed up r5d2 Idk why I thought d2 was shutdown 😭

[jade iron]

b4 is good for noobs I think

[junior latch]

B2 best B ngl

[mystic moss]

r5b3 is kinda ass

[jade iron]

I came around hard on b2 for some reason

[vivid panther]

I feel like R1C1 suffers from no BBC

[jade iron]

really hated it before, kinda like it now

[junior latch]

I miss it not being a „wait for the tank simulator“

[rose nova]

tbh sec its too long with the funny scan but main is ok and the beginning of the scan is funny so

positive net in my books

[junior latch]

Oh btw

Fn

[mystic moss]

.t r5b3

[rose nova]

pls change ur pants

[junior latch]

you still playing with

uh aht0 right

[jade iron]

b3 is great wdym (ignore overly long ex arena scan)

[vivid panther]

but the chickens makes its abit challenging if you have a rubbish squad

[jade iron]

ya

[mystic moss]

intro is cool, but post error is zzzzzzz

[rose nova]

extract i think its fine

kinda funny with the last punch

even if i do forget it exists

[mystic moss]

i'm also negatively biased towards levels with an ammo constraint

[jade iron]

b3 isn't very ammo-constrained though?

[rose nova]

idk i rlly like when it strains at least in a part of the level

[rose nova]

i mean it kinda is

[analog flicker]

[rose nova]

if not on ammo on tool

[mystic moss]

iirc they increased the arena scan length but they didn't change the amount of ammo

[raw shard]

yeah it's forced 3 tanks now

[rose nova]

:[

[quartz cape]

r7d2 farmers when the level doesn't have 800 uses of ammo

[jade iron]

yeah you are asked to ignore this in your appraisal of r5b3 pls

[rose nova]

i need to play r7d2 more ngl
i replayed it once and realized how fun it is

[jade iron]

b3 is great, but the alt fucked it up a bit

[mystic moss]

everyone's favorite gtfo level is the least "gtfo" level

[rose nova]

... whats my fav gtfo level...

[quartz cape]

go play cod you brainlets

[rose nova]

tbh my fav level might be r8c2

[mystic moss]

but i won't be able to brag on discord about how much of a hardcore player i am for playing a hardcore game

[rose nova]

it just feels so rounded with such good like mix of stealth, alarms and resource constraint

[quartz cape]

play on hard diffucilty

[rose nova]

if it's not r8c2 it's probs r7c2 idk why i just rlly like that level

i enjoy playing through it a lot maybe i just like c2 levels

except r4s

[topaz lichen]

r6c3 will forever be my favourite level 😔 ✊

[rose nova]

it be rlly fun

r6 rlly nailed the warden countdown objetive with c3 and bx

bx sec is rlly rlly cool

[lost lynx]

you know whats even more cool?

R4C3 PE

[rose nova]

my nuts- oh

i haven't completed it

i need help with it it hard

:[

tbh not like i rlly tried either

i've given it like 2 attempts

and one was with not so good players

[lost lynx]

me?

:3

[rose nova]

ur good player

patpat

[lost lynx]

🤨

[rose nova]

i mean people who both didn't know the level and didn't rlly listened to what was happening

[lost lynx]

as long as you dont see how i mess my scout kills

[rose nova]

and kept waking up shit

they even plugged the cell in ov in the wrong spot

which is a dumb mistake to do

[lost lynx]

...

[rose nova]

i've seen it i chose to believe u gotten better

[lost lynx]

maybe

[rose nova]

trust

other cool fav levels of gtfo is r2b4 for simple ez levels to chill with, r7d2 cause of course, most of r8 like d2 a2 sec and e2 even with the fps drops

annnd some level i'm forgetting probs

well d4

it's just e tier level and it hard

[vivid panther]

what was R2B4

[rose nova]

first fog turbine, lot of fog

well fog in the second part

[jade iron]

I wanted them to rebalance d4 and retag it r6e1 for the alt

[rose nova]

it's the level i play for chills n giggles when i wanna turn my brain off

[lost lynx]

my fav levels are R5B4, R6C4, R8E2, R6D4, R7D1/D2 and thats pretty much it

[jade iron]

but it's certainly not close to an e tier as it is now

[rose nova]

tbh i don't think r6 needs an e tier
maybe i'm remembering it harder than it is

[lost lynx]

its not that hard

[rose nova]

but idk the middles not rlly that hard but the surge at the start and the surge at the end

[lost lynx]

not to be classified as E tier at least

[rose nova]

i think they r tough

maybs just bad memory

it's been a while

[jade iron]

I think you could maybe call the intro section e-tier caliber, but nothing else

[rose nova]

not even the ending?

[jade iron]

nah

[mystic moss]

it's cause no one shoots the ending :(

[jade iron]

even shooting the ending isn't that bad

[rose nova]

i had rlly hard time with it on my first clear without foam

and even with foam sometimes enemies still manage to get to me

[lost lynx]

there it is
it was your 1st clear

[jade iron]

I've done d4 duo with double mg and double burst sentry, was a lot of fun

[rose nova]

i played after u know

e4?

i guess modded

[wraith marsh]

how is the intro E tier and not the ending

[lost lynx]

R9E4*

[wraith marsh]

what

[rose nova]

yeah like

both r surges

one u gotta push through it

[mystic moss]

flyer error is e-tier

[jade iron]

oop

fixed

[rose nova]

oh

[vivid panther]

still having issues with the R8B4 ending

[jade iron]

lol we were talking about d4, obvious typo

[lost lynx]

R8B4 pre nerf was something else.....

[vivid panther]

it's fun but allot of pressure

[lost lynx]

anyways in what are you struggling on?

[rose nova]

if u haven't u should do main first just to see how it is n then sec
and then of course do like the getting the fog out

[lost lynx]

lack of res?

or getting overwhelmed by enemies?

[rose nova]

i'm glad i completed it before nerf, idek how

[jade iron]

but yeah d4 ending is comfortably shootable with mg's duo

[vivid panther]

overwhelmed

[rose nova]

i'm dumb ok

[jade iron]

was my point

some movement too, granted

[lost lynx]

what loadout were your team using?

[wraith marsh]

but the beginning isnt...

[vivid panther]

what did they nerf on R8b4

[lost lynx]

you are good at the game

[lost lynx]

extract

extraction was WILD before the nerf

[rose nova]

or got carried

[wraith marsh]

the entire data sphere portion

[vivid panther]

I forgot what my team used

but I was using smg/machine gun

[mystic moss]

you're kinda at the mercy at whoever is holding the waves while you go cell hunting

gl holding with that lol

[lost lynx]

no hel weapons?

[vivid panther]

nope

[rose nova]

mg sounds good

[lost lynx]

someone with hel shotgun or hel pp would make a huge difference

[vivid panther]

maybe I'll try hel shotgun next time I attempt it

whats hel pp

[lost lynx]

also make sure to have something to melt the mom

[rose nova]

hel autopistol

[lost lynx]

hel pistol

[rose nova]

AUTOpistol smh

[lost lynx]

HEL PISTOL

HEL PISS

[rose nova]

PISS

anyways b4 is fun

[jade iron]

I might be giving to many points to all the other shit you have to deal with through the entire intro segment, the constant error, the mommy fight and then having to save doors, etc

[lost lynx]

extract is actually really fun

but i hate it at the same time

[jade iron]

but maybe it isn't that bad

[lusty river]

[vivid panther]

it reminds me of the hybrid alarm

[lusty river]

I feel old

[lost lynx]

everytime someone sends that sticker i can hear the meme sound effect

send help

[rose nova]

idk rlly how a surge error you have to push through isn't so bad kdmsk
i think it's kinda brutal specially without foam

but maybe it's my skill issue

i never denied it

[pallid anvil]

depends on the tile

[rose nova]

i struggle more with that one that with the beginning one kdmskd

[vivid panther]

I still have skill issue with r6c2 sec

[lost lynx]

whats C2 about

[rose nova]

i mean i guess it has a decent tile to go through and then closing doors behind it's ez

but pushing it's hard

[junior latch]

Its not quite a surge

[wraith marsh]

getting the cell out is the hardest part of that level imo

[pallid anvil]

R2E1 tile 😍 for surges

[vivid panther]

Hybrid error alarm though a mother and fog and scouts to extraction

[rose nova]

erm it feels like one

[jade iron]

yeah if you're talking about d4 ending, not a surge

[junior latch]

yea

also the only part thats challenging to stabilize without kiting if multiple down

[rose nova]

it feels like it kdmskdm

[vivid panther]

3 Hybrids every ~90 seconds

[wraith marsh]

you also only need to save 1 door for the surge

[lost lynx]

that doesnt sound too bad

[junior latch]

If it was 90 seconds it wouldnt be bad

its far less time

30 seconds or so

[lost lynx]

30 seconds... now thats bad

[jade iron]

yeah I think my brain is caught up on cfoam mine strats that some teams do where it's a pain to set up and then the wave happens to push down just the mid door and it goes to shit

saving mid door and sentry funnelling the others is actually very smooth

you might be right

I stand by the ending not being that bad though

[pine root]

Which level

[jade iron]

d4

[pine root]

Oh it isn’t

[vivid panther]

its just skill issue

[pine root]

But also I don’t know which levels are hard anymore

[wraith marsh]

its difficult enough, a good finisher

[jade iron]

it's fine

[lost lynx]

just scattergun

:3

[pine root]

I think for d6 d4 was probs 3rd hardest level

[jade iron]

I like d4, its main issue is frames in the charger section

[pine root]

Maybe 4th

[junior latch]

What is harder?

R6C3~

and then?

D2? eh

[junior latch]

D3? nah

[pallid anvil]

for what

[pine root]

CX

[pallid anvil]

r6?

[junior latch]

no way

[wraith marsh]

d4 is either second or first

[pine root]

100

[wraith marsh]

I dont think theres any way its 3rd

[pine root]

Cx is harder

[pallid anvil]

CX is hard with pubs

[junior latch]

CX is a baby until end

And ending is still not hard

[junior latch]

D4 with pubs who die during last error

Runs over

[pine root]

I think cx is the only level reasonable to wipe to with gamers

[jade iron]

d2ex is a victim of spawn blocking strats

[pine root]

yeah

D2 has hard parts I think the d2 ext speed is harder than the d4 speed minus preformace issues

[junior latch]

yea

[pallid anvil]

what's bad as well but eh CX failed more for me with than D4 honestly

[junior latch]

Speed warps difficulty anyway

[rose nova]

i think cx it's rlly not that bad even if u fuck up a lot
not even by the ending it just comes down on how u do things and i guess like blind clearing can take many attempts

[pine root]

Wait

[pallid anvil]

D4 just need to actually explain what to do for last bit

[pine root]

Did they not even clear

R1d1

???

[pallid anvil]

unmuted moment

[junior latch]

Host crashed

[pine root]

what is happening

[rose nova]

host crashed

[pine root]

how many times

[junior latch]

This ye

[rose nova]

that wasn't rlly on the wipes they just had HUGE tech issues

like first hour nothing cause issues, then r5b4 clear, then d1 attempt but crashed on the very end

and got back to the beginning

sad

d3 is not very ranked on being difficult is it

i felt d3 really easy

i mean-

[wraith marsh]

d3 is very easy ye

[rose nova]

yeah not b tier of course nor anything but

rlly not compared to even cx ending

[jade iron]

d3 is a banger and asks you to do a lot of stuff, but yeah, none of it's especially hard

[rose nova]

it is a banger

[pallid anvil]

d3 but doing main first :3

[rose nova]

r6 d tiers r just bangers... well d2 funny but

[vivid panther]

how is the stream going btw

[rose nova]

still

uhhhhhhh

they had many tech issues

rn idk

[junior latch]

D3 isnt „easy“

[vivid panther]

They were fine for the first 4 hours

[junior latch]

But its basically solved

[vivid panther]

what happened

[junior latch]

similar to D2

its very formulatic

[jade iron]

I think my difficulty rankings for r6 would go something like d2 c3 d4, but I also retcon the d2ex uplink spawn block strats

[rose nova]

pc being stinky with not capturing game then audio then camera for a solid two hours

[rose nova]

tbh i think it's rlly not that bad
i think the only rlly hard part is the tank in the middle of huge fog without any repellers or cfoam mine

[wraith marsh]

I just think

all difficulty on d3 is self imposed

[junior latch]

Ray, BDs and mine was

C3>=D4>D2>=CX>D3>C2

[rose nova]

c3?

i mean- i- mhh yes maybe

i see the vision i was kinda carried on the level ngl

[wraith marsh]

I think

I agree with this

but d4 > c3 personally

[rose nova]

tbh i would put d4 as the hardest

yeah

[junior latch]

the whole tierlist isnt perfect

But i think its pretty alright

[rose nova]

it seems good yeah

[junior latch]

tho slightly outdated with B4 nerfs

B4 was at like Nr 9 total ranked back then

[rose nova]

last time i lfg b4 someone said the nerfs made it boring

[wraith marsh]

what did they nerf on it

[rose nova]

and i very rarely felt so much energy to just get away from the lobby

[junior latch]

its not boring

[rose nova]

the ending waves

[wraith marsh]

oh

making them 2 mins?

[junior latch]

Wave ramps way slower, caps lower

[wraith marsh]

or w/e it is

[junior latch]

its a lot more chill

but still a challenge for a ton of players

[wraith marsh]

yeah I can agree with that statement then

the ending is actually so boring lol

[rose nova]

omg

[junior latch]

For vets it went from legit challenging to play it out

[jade iron]

was curious about the r8b4 nerfs

me and ahto threw a bunch of duo attempts at it

got dunked pretty hard

haven't been back since the rebalance

[rose nova]

i threw a lot of attempts with 3 other people

[pine root]

It isn’t that bad of a nerf

[rose nova]

and one of them was andocas god bless their soul for the carry

but well i think the nerf was justified

it was a bit too dumb considering how simple c2 was compared to it

[wraith marsh]

wait

I might be stupid

[rose nova]

no, that's me

[wraith marsh]

I thought we were talking about r5b4

[rose nova]

... wuh

[junior latch]

It is tho

[rose nova]

they didn't nerfed anything on r5b4

[wraith marsh]

yeah

[rose nova]

they added snatchers

[wraith marsh]

thats why I asked a bout it

[junior latch]

R8B4

[wraith marsh]

I didnt play og I wouldnt know

[rose nova]

kdkskdksmdm

[junior latch]

oh ye r5b4 got buffed but its whatever

[jade iron]

yeah took me a bit to realize as well tbh

[rose nova]

i guess we never said the r8 part my bad kdmsmd

[wraith marsh]

ok ending is NOT boring that wouldve been inreference to r5b4

[rose nova]

ahhhb

thank god

i was fuming

[wraith marsh]

I still think that ending is pretty hard

dont think the nerf did that much unless you are a god at finding cells

[jade iron]

alt r5b4 was such a strange thing for me

[rose nova]

i think even if it's not hard for pro players it's still not boring

the person i played with was just too bonkers

[junior latch]

cells are somewhat static no?

[jade iron]

I remember struggling hard as a 4man noob squad in og r5b4, like I think we got an r5c1 clear around the same time

[junior latch]

first cell 100% is
further 2nd cell is free
first of the 2nd cell zones is annoying tho

[wraith marsh]

idk man I havent played the level 600 times

[junior latch]

but yea the wave nerf is BIG

[jade iron]

then we walk in in the alt r5b4, and go duo and goof off and still get the clear

[rose nova]

teehee

[junior latch]

Tbh most of my clears were pre r8

[rose nova]

personal growth be like

[rose nova]

ah yes clearing b4 before b4 release

[wraith marsh]

all I Know is

[rose nova]

very cool sentence kdmskdm

[jade iron]

also so many vets insisted that the alt is basically the same as the og version of r5b4, and who am I to question?

[rose nova]

b4 b4 b4

[wraith marsh]

everytime I have played r8b4 the person grabbing cell did not have every spawn memorized

[rose nova]

hh play the og if not idk

[wraith marsh]

and it took long enough that the wave difference was not felt that much because of it

[junior latch]

it caps lower as well

[rose nova]

tbh on that alarm if the giants weren't there it would be so much easier

i always find myself dying to them

never to another enemy

not even nightmares

[junior latch]

they also made giants only spawn from spawn afaik

[wraith marsh]

I hate the nightmares pushing every enemy

[junior latch]

so its just more chill (heh)

[wraith marsh]

and shooters in the fog suck ass

[jade iron]

lol that's probably huge

[wraith marsh]

the giants not spawning from spawn was bs yea

[jade iron]

remember getting decked by a pair of bigs going for cell 1

[junior latch]

i dont know exact numbers

But spawn waves capped out at like 21 before and now 14

[rose nova]

yayy

[junior latch]

smth like that

[rose nova]

and the world is fixed

i kinda wish c2 was harder tho ngl
i mean it's hard but bit more

a tiny push more

tiny bit in the start more

smol

[wraith marsh]

r8?

[rose nova]

yes

[wraith marsh]

I wish theyd cut an entire zone out of the start

way overstays its welcome despite not being the focus of the level

[rose nova]

i wish they didn't rlly cut it but made it more funky
not just rlly bbcs

[junior latch]

Yea

[rose nova]

i think something more would've made it funner

[wraith marsh]

I dont think its that unfun its just

bloat

honestly they could cut 2 whole zones out

[rose nova]

maybe if they cut the zone after the microdrive to a very small zone with just the alarm, and then made the alarm spawn something like funny i would've liked it a bit more

not just a tank- there's enough

but idk something different

and no cscout in the zone with the first alarm also would've been fine it's not like it rlly adds anything everyone shoots either way

i think if the cscout was in the zone with the extraction machine it would've been better

just one zoomed one cscout to make it more dangerous

but well the second part is flawless so it's still one of my favs kdmskdm

[wraith marsh]

full charger stealth is so rare I think it works

condensing all of it into 1 zone and like

packing it more

more cscouts

I think that fixes it

but yeah I rly like that level

but everytime I play it I forget just how long the beginning is

and am just dissappointed

[rose nova]

idk i only rlly thought about it now lol

i guess the- tbh the microdrive part

as just lore as it is brings me joy

so i think that's why i forget cause between the bloat i get that rlly cool part and i forget KDMSKDM

and my brain resets

[wraith marsh]

exact same here yea

[rose nova]

but yeah i think a lil bump of the starting difficulty it would've been cool
maybe if the zone with the first alarm was room dividers and not doors it would've been really really funky

but well i love it, i prefer it over d2

even if i still love d2

[keen fable]

I can't believe I just solo'd R7D2

[pine root]

nice

that is a tricky level

[keen fable]

I just felt inspired by that stream run and I just gave it a crack

I got stupid lucky though

[pine root]

solo with bots or just by yourself

[keen fable]

With bots obvs

[pine root]

yeah

[keen fable]

Not sure if its possible without

[pine root]

it is

!

[blissful dome]

Every level is

Technically

[sharp owl]

yeah if ur gtfo jesus

[jade iron]

I don't know, I feel like the big solo players rolling out r8e2 duos kinda said enough

but yeah the scope of what's soloable in gtfo goes far beyond r7d2

[sharp owl]

not sure if anyone that isnt gtfo jesus could solo r8e2 with bots

[blissful dome]

without

you goober

read

[sharp owl]

no

ive been awake for a long time

[blissful dome]

:C

[crisp ore]

@sharp owl can u find the people we were just playing with and let them know im an idiot and tomorrow is not may 11th which is the day that i actually had needed to be at work

and also

i took my meds already so i guess im just going to work anyway lmao

[sharp owl]

today (3:30 est) is may 11th

edit: im also an idiot it's june

[robust dawn]

Tf

[daring ginkgo]

Which E tier mission is easiest?

[wraith marsh]

from the real ones, r2e1

by name alone, r8e1

[little ridge]

I'd say R4E1 MAIN only is pretty easy

Otherwise what Chill dude said

[daring ginkgo]

Okay

[little ridge]

R8E1 ain't a real E-tier

[coarse grail]

R7E1 still easier than R4E1 main though I'd say

[pine root]

idk

probs now

with hel guns

but with base r7 guns it was a lot more ammo tight

[jade iron]

r2e1 or r7e1, imo it really depends on your strengths and weaknesses

like the fighting (especially waveclear) is much tougher in r2e1 imo

whereas r7e1 has a lot of delicate and time-sensitive stuff that's easy to fuck up

[sharp owl]

r7e1 def harder

shooting gallery is alot easier than 50 billion chargers, tanks, bbcs, more tanks, more bbcs, cscouts, intense time pressure and hard stealth

[blissful dome]

r7e1 lmao

[sharp owl]

unless u somehow cant aim shit but can deal with all those other things

[blissful dome]

misinfo smh

reported

can we get fnrslvr banned

[sharp owl]

can we get a tactical hitsquad called to his house

[blissful dome]

^^^

[jade iron]

r7e1 has basically zero waveclear

[pine root]

I would argue players should know how to wave clear at this point but tbh

They just don’t

[blissful dome]

eh

i feel like waveclear is probably the easiest

part

idk

[pine root]

The hybrid 2nd surge is so hard in pubs

You get one pit scan then you have to go long

[sharp owl]

do u think r7e1 pubs would go better

hmmm

[pine root]

It does

[jade iron]

jfc I knew there was a reason I stopped hanging out in here so often

[pine root]

Cause you can solo the entire level

[blissful dome]

hm

[blissful dome]

lmao

[sharp owl]

me when i cant detect the most obvious joke known to mankind

[pine root]

Tbh we are having a discussion about levels

[blissful dome]

?

[pine root]

We don’t need the mods kill this guy joke

[blissful dome]

okok

[pine root]

Don’t be Kaiser

[blissful dome]

fi

[sharp owl]

insane comparison

[pine root]

Nope

[blissful dome]

ok thats a bit far

[pallid anvil]

Door bugging the argument too late

[blissful dome]

its not like im pinging someone 2000 times and asking them to play when they clearly dont want to/cant

[sharp owl]

im not a white power enjoyer fortunately

[jade iron]

anyway, on this:
there aren't actually that many chargers, most people just don't see them because they foam door on arena scan
tank fights aren't actually hard
I'll rope cscouts, stealth and time pressure together and say yeah, this is the kind of thing that makes r7e1 difficult, my point was that there's no hard combat in the level

[pine root]

There isn’t

[blissful dome]

thats

fair

[pine root]

But I this is mainly because oh the lack of hel guns in the game during r7

[sharp owl]

maybe I'm making a false assumption that people playing the fps game are good at fps games

[pine root]

Res was a lot lower on drop

[pallid anvil]

I’m new :3

[sharp owl]

hey new :3

[blissful dome]

real

[wraith marsh]

I mean

[jade iron]

I don't even think you need hel weaponry to trivialize r7e1 combat

[wraith marsh]

wave 4 is something

[pallid anvil]

Was trying to solo R4E1 today I got cooked on class S surge

[wraith marsh]

start alarm is also something though its not rly comparable to r2e1 surges still

[blissful dome]

f

[pine root]

Na but now a hel gun clears the entire reactor one 100 100

[pallid anvil]

I wanted to get to 2nd wave in secondary at least 😭

[blissful dome]

cooked

[sharp owl]

how did u deal with the tanks

and still have waveclear

[pallid anvil]

Sniper mod :3

[sharp owl]

lolol

[pallid anvil]

And pdw

No way I take scatter for this

[pine root]

Just stick the tank in the wall

[pallid anvil]

And get away with it

[sharp owl]

getting that far quite impressive tho gg

[pallid anvil]

And you assume I know how to do that GRRRRR

[jade iron]

I mean, I've duo'd the level (e: r7e1) with choke mods

you really really don't need a lot of waveclear in r7e1

[sharp owl]

duo is 100% more firepower than solo

what

im talkint

[blissful dome]

r4e1

[sharp owl]

to rose

u silly

[blissful dome]

rose was doing r4e1

[pallid anvil]

Duo R4E1 was chill but we wiled at apex door :3 once only tried it

Pmom RUSHED out before tank

It was insane

[jade iron]

oh we started talking abuot r4e1? oop

[blissful dome]

🙏

it happens to the best of us

[jade iron]

I have not duo'd r4e1 with choke mods

[blissful dome]

we all hate backreading

[blissful dome]

hmmm

[sharp owl]

not me im perfect and based and everyone loves me

[pallid anvil]

True :3

[blissful dome]

[blissful dome]

dont encourage this

[jade iron]

we spent 5 minutes talking about r7e1 damnit

[sharp owl]

its a reference to a steam group im in

[blissful dome]

this is true

[blissful dome]

but topics change