gtfo-chat

[daring ginkgo]

ok, i will train more with spear

[burnt flume]

0% on shooter occiputs but apparently I always miss the occiput

a tale as old as time, tragic too

[modern coral]

The angle is pretty small.

If you center as well as possible, you'll get it more often.

[rose nova]

the shooters that r standing up resting to the right

[burnt flume]

makes sense, but at the same time it's easy enough to charge to 10% for the extra forgiveness

[rose nova]

their occi is impossible to hit fast

the occi on the sitting ones and the normal standing up ones its so ez

[modern coral]

If you're not able to hit their oci, you're probably mis-positioned. The back angle is to the right side of them.

[rose nova]

those fucks

[modern coral]

The crouching striker/hybrid is similar, you want to move a bit counter-clockwise to get the perfect angle.

[mellow hedge]

i just charge a tiny bit to be safe

[modern coral]

Because the angle that feels like it's the right one is the wrong one/too far clockwise.

[alpine scaffold]

i did r4d2 pe finally

hard as hell but

cool

need only r4c3 and r4e1 now

[hidden flame]

now time for r4e1, i like that one

oh you still have r4c3 first lol

[alpine scaffold]

hard

i mean

its already 1 month we're stuck in this level

xd

the PE, i mean

[mellow hedge]

HOW

where do you die

[alpine scaffold]

last alarm

[mellow hedge]

like the alarm to get the turbine?

[alpine scaffold]

yes

[mellow hedge]

damn

how there?

thats the easy part

[alpine scaffold]

90% out of ammo
10% skill issue against chargers

[hidden flame]

ssssshhhhh

if you are out of ammo then you must have looted badly or wasted a lot

[mellow hedge]

yeah

you get a lot of resources in that

[mellow hedge]

You dont alert the scout right?

in the big room

[alpine scaffold]

we shoot the scout

and deal with the chargers / big chargers

[mellow hedge]

yeah

how do you run out

[alpine scaffold]

probably in the key hunt

[mellow hedge]

you gotta be quick

just rush terminal

[hidden flame]

what guns are you using

[mellow hedge]

and rush key

[mellow hedge]

☝️

[hidden flame]

even if you are rather slow then you should have enough ammo

[alpine scaffold]

hel shotgun / precision rifle
sawed off / hel rifle

[mellow hedge]

take a scatter

for bbcs

and tank

[hidden flame]

precision rifle i do not think is very good for that level

[alpine scaffold]

for tank we do 8 mines

[mellow hedge]

it is not good for that level

[mellow hedge]

good

dont take PR

no shadows

at least in the hard part

too many chargers

[lost lynx]

gtfo is bad

[mellow hedge]

my lovely

[alpine scaffold]

yeah, i think we will do hel rifle + scattergun

:l

[hidden flame]

you do not need scattergun to be honest

that is just gtfo player brainrot

[mellow hedge]

eh

its nice for the last part

key hunt and big room

[hidden flame]

but it will be worse for waves and you should be ok into giant chargers by staggering with hel rifle

[mellow hedge]

yeah i mean its not a super hard level so you have enough already

its just nice to have for last part

[hidden flame]

when i think of the very last part there are many guns i would prefer

[mellow hedge]

a lot of bbcs

[wheat edge]

hi

[mellow hedge]

scatter go yes

[hidden flame]

but why not take burst cannon instead? it is better into small chargers and waves of enemies and fires more before reloading

[lost lynx]

hello new soul

[hidden flame]

it kills from range as well, no need to run through 6 chargers to kill one big

[mellow hedge]

oh yeah true

[hidden flame]

who let this guy into sweden

[glass vessel]

So i just started this game, and honestly, I am so confused.

[lost lynx]

what do you want to know?

young prisioner
horror awaits

[glass vessel]

where do I even start after the tutorial?

[lost lynx]

Rundown 1

[glass vessel]

R1A1?

[lost lynx]

yes

[glass vessel]

okay

that makes sense

[wraith marsh]

I feel like you just dont know how good scatter is less than it is gtfo player brainrot

[hidden flame]

i know how strong it is, but i do not care to use it nor do i think every lobby needs a scatter

[storm quartz]

based

[hidden flame]

when someone is struggling with surviving charger alarms, i won't recommend scatter because it falls behind other weapons there

mining the tank also diminishes the need for scattergun as a boss killer

[storm quartz]

not based

[lost lynx]

[wraith marsh]

not every lobby needs it but not recommending it to a struggling one is kinda cringe

it makes the BBC room and key push free which is a very time and ammo consuming part for a lot of ppl

[mellow hedge]

i meant it as in being more ammo efficient especially with the PR they were using

its not needed but it is nice

[mellow hedge]

☝️

[hidden flame]

this part is true but i still have concerns elsewhere which is why i wouldn't recommend it (at first)

could be easy for things to go wrong trying to get the scatter value if things are misplayed

and then you have 2 bots potentially running off to res the scatter user

after that, there's still the final alarm and final part of the mission

[pine root]

Scatter gun hel rifle duos the entire level

[pine root]

Ngl

Burst cannon is just worse for that alarm compared to scatter

[foggy drift]

Looking for some fellow helldivers to play jackbox games, for super earth!!! Helldivers never die!!!!

[nimble pumice]

I die

[flat kettle]

@trim sail

what happend

[shut vapor]

R8e2 randomiser gaming

[mellow hedge]

My favourite

[junior latch]

mining the tank is also incredibly inefficient if you are struggling with ressources

4 uses of tools that could go into sentries vs ~1-2 uses of ammo for scatter ((realistically 1, but i expect them to take more than minimum)

[mellow hedge]

I mean you get way too much tool in that level if you aren’t stupid

[junior latch]

also scattergun is probably more easily efficient vs chargers than burst cannon aswell

[mellow hedge]

And you usually run 1 sentry

[high orchid]

me when hel rifle on charger alarm:

[little ridge]

efficiency and mining the tank are 2 concepts on a diametrical distance

on the other hand you might argue mining the tank correctly guarantees success and since most struggling lobbies dont give a shit about "muh no boosters", perhaps efficiency ain't an issue

that being said I think pretty much every lobby would benefit by having at least and no more than one scattergun no matter what

That being said I'm thankful for the damage counter mod so I can finally put to the rest the "why do some lobbies feel 10 times harder than others"

I get it that many vets tend to play at least with a duo premade and there's a fuckton of difference between 1 vet and 3 randos

[stone marten]

Who needs a scatter gun when Sniper can do the same thing from super far away

[junior latch]

„The same thing“

[wraith marsh]

doesheknow

(no)

[junior latch]

[stone marten]

[latent palm]

When stream

[junior latch]

very likely on the 30th :^ )

and yes i hate it too

[analog flicker]

[fiery stirrup]

всем здоров, кто-то сыграть не желает ?

[lost lynx]

#hc-europe message

[visual lily]

boys i think the golden days of GTFO are over

[junior latch]

• someone whos been doomer for years: 16.5.2024

[lost lynx]

hey Eva

[rare ridge]

Yo the poll just closed

It’s 100 percent green fn

[pastel dagger]

Мб вечерком, на работе ща

[lone iris]

now it's silver days

[wary bramble]

[north leaf]

здаров, я ищу тимейтов для прохождения всех кампаний, если хочешь присоединяйся

[sharp owl]

Just completed R7B1 and C1 with bots - my heart is a raisin at the moment

[viral crane]

го

[north leaf]

ты новичок или с игрой уже ознакомился ?

[viral crane]

ознакомился

r1c1 прохожу

[north leaf]

нам бы ещё двоих найти

[viral crane]

в поиске найти можно

полюбэ кто - то да найдется

[north leaf]

рандом имеешь виду в самой игре? хотелось бы постоянных тимейтов найти

[viral crane]

Ну пока так

[north leaf]

задротов тоже не особа хочется, они уже всё знают и уже совсем не те эмоции когда что то новое встречаешь

@viral craneя тебя добавил в друзья

[wary chasm]

i love that mod but almost never get to host D:

[mild aurora]

whats the first rundown with a surge alarm

[junior latch]

Rundown 2

[mild aurora]

so not excited to do it

[junior latch]

Hm why?

[mild aurora]

i mainly run duos

no bots so its gonna be tough

[junior latch]

the surges can be duod decently well

The bigger issue personally is the last third (with ramping error on top of surges)

[fossil horizon]

just pew pew good enough and move

[mild aurora]

our squad is still pretty unexperienced so its gonna be a lil challenging

[junior latch]

well
its an E tier

a lot of people skip r2e1 since its one of the hardest levels

and r3 is a lot easier (same for a lot of r4)

[mild aurora]

huh

[fossil horizon]

Yes

[mild aurora]

we still on r1 rn

it took us a long time to beat r1a1 💀

[junior latch]

well then dont worry about any of this yet

[mild aurora]

👍

any notable missions in r1?

[junior latch]

theres gonna be a LOOOOOOT more to learn

notable?

how so?

[mild aurora]

difficulty mechanics, etc

[junior latch]

rundown 1 is pretty basic

[upper loom]

R1C1, C2 and D1

[mild aurora]

aight

[junior latch]

R1C1 introduces reactors and usually gets beginners stuck

Dont be afraid to ask for advice then

R1D1 introduces smth you wont expect unless spoiled

r1c2… is quite basic tbh

[mild aurora]

👍 thank you

[junior latch]

theres guides on a lot of things if you struggle with them (guns, tools, stealth, levels), but obviously figuring out things yourself is often the fun part :p

[mild aurora]

ofc

ty for the advice

[pseudo sedge]

and a very important scripture we shall offer u once u finish r3d1

[mild aurora]

thats gonna be a bit

[junior latch]

[latent palm]

SusEva

[shut vapor]

Would you rather eat a tank or a mother

[tepid palm]

Yum tumors

[tepid palm]

I mean r1c2 does introduce something new even if the level itself is pretty basic

[mild aurora]

one more question, which mg is better? veruta or arbalist

[pseudo sedge]

veruta

[mild aurora]

ty

[halcyon prism]

all big scouts in the building lets fucking goooooooooooooo

[shut vapor]

Big scout here

[quasi pine]

big scout here

[shut vapor]

slightly smaller scout here

[spare pike]

WE NEED A BIG SCOUT

[stone marten]

Too many R1 lobbies

[robust dawn]

BIG

[analog flicker]

LOT OF BIG SCOUT HERE

[alpine scaffold]

I did r2e1 duo after 4 ou 5 tries Dying in the last alarm xd

[spare pike]

Gotta love them

[alpine scaffold]

Hard as hell
But, so nice when done

Never touching r2e1 again, but nice xd

[junior latch]

Nice!
R2E1 duo is actually a neat challenge without ladderfoam/etc

[alpine scaffold]

We did ladderfoam on the last try.

[junior latch]

F its all over

Disowned

[alpine scaffold]

But yeah, we were tired of doing the same level 4 or 5 times in a row. Our problem was directly into the error alarm. Not the surge ones until baby

[rose nova]

same level 4 times in a row

u shouldn't seen me attempt r1c2 15 times

[lost lynx]

😔

[rose nova]

pain :3

[lost lynx]

and skill issue

uwu

[rose nova]

too

[autumn bobcat]

gtfo is bad

[shut vapor]

Bro's waffling stuff we already know

[fossil horizon]

GTFO is good

[mystic moss]

some1 update me on gtfo-chat lore

is riemann kill?

[hidden flame]

riemann died long ago

i mean he did deserve it

his death should be celebrated and not mourned, piece of shit

[shut vapor]

Who

[hidden flame]

random internet troll and someone who should not be allowed to talk to women ever

[shut vapor]

[lost lynx]

gtfo is bad

[blissful dome]

Death smh

Murder

Execution

[hidden flame]

cause of death: murder

[blissful dome]

Yes

[latent palm]

Id kill you too ifo if you werent so cute

[blissful dome]

Aw

[hidden flame]

pretty privilege smh

[blissful dome]

Lyt

[blissful dome]

^^^

[latent palm]

[shut vapor]

Would you rather Schaeffer's bucket or R1D1 morse code

[pallid anvil]

Who is the cutest competition, voxy is winning

Waiting for that EVAL stream again :3

[pallid anvil]

Voxy aimbot !!

[mellow hedge]

MOIDs HACKKER IN LOBBYf

[pallid anvil]

Someone accused him of aimbotting and left 😭

He’s doing eval

[mellow hedge]

LMAOOOOOO

bro why do i miss all the good stuff

[hidden flame]

i mean it does look like aimbot if you are used to shit players

i do not remember his name though

stream encoding does not help because it looks like the aim snaps

[blissful dome]

LMAO

[blissful dome]

Aiming hard

[analog flicker]

Aim bot in GTFO?

Inept players meet skilled players moment.

[analog flicker]

I can confirm Hange hacking. I saw him hit all giant heads with sniper. Including mine.

[blissful dome]

^^^

Wasn't that about voxy though

[analog flicker]

Making a reference

[blissful dome]

Ah lmao

I'm a bit stupid

[flat kettle]

@trim sail @trim sail what the hell

[alpine scaffold]

WE DID

R4C3

WE FUCKING DID R4C3

PE

FINALLY

@rose nova

ez

[hidden flame]

nice work

please tell me you did not use scattergun

[alpine scaffold]

no

hel shotgun + hel rifle
sawed off + hel rifle

[hidden flame]

there you go

no scattergun needed, change to a different gun first

[alpine scaffold]

we got good rng with the key location

and also the resources

[rose nova]

let's goooo

ggs

:]

[alpine scaffold]

the didn't killed the tank with 8 mines, sometimes it doesn't function well

but the hel rifle did the job

the strategy we used to do the level was basically focusing on staggering the chargers waves on max we can

btw we used sentry shotgun

[pine root]

BC DIDNT CLEAR

[alpine scaffold]

did a nice job on stairs

[trim sail]

...

I'm very shocked to see pubs struggle with r4c3, as always

but congrats anyway

[stray oar]

who just stuck in the wall

[rose nova]

it hard

me when hard level go hard when few hours

[trim sail]

I forgot to mention it's also depends on each player's pov

But tbf

When ever I play r4c3 with pubs, they never seem to realize the simplest thing about the level, or learn it correctly.

[rose nova]

ah idk then maybe u just have bad luck and get 20 hour players idk

[trim sail]

You wouldn't believe when I tell you I've been in a team where all of them don't even know to use the fog to clear the path to the bulkhead...

[shut vapor]

A fog turbine?

[trim sail]

and when I asked them have you done the previous level, they all said yes. Some pretty confidently told me they've got more than 100 hours already

Idk... really

[lost lynx]

GGs

[trim sail]

fog repeller

[shut vapor]

💀

Aint no way they've never used repellers before

[trim sail]

One thing that haunts me forever in r4c3, was that 90% of the lobbies I joined never thought of using hel weapons...

[rose nova]

100 hours um first fogs i think r in r2b2?
my maths don't add up but i wouldn't be surprised tbh

[trim sail]

simple logic : Tons of chargers ? Just go for hel weapons

[rose nova]

that they got r1, r2a1 and b1

[shut vapor]

There's repellers in r4b1 too

[rose nova]

also tbh i prefer chokemod for chargers i miss way less shots

[trim sail]

I wish I had recorded that for all of you to believe me

[rose nova]

tbh there isn't also fogs in r3 untilll b2 i think

[shut vapor]

Alternative solution: place a mine behind the team facing the chargers

[rose nova]

there's many ways y could get 100 hours and not find fogs but they are so hyper specific

[trim sail]

Here's another story

A guy i met in R2E1 told me

[rose nova]

ok solace tell me

solace v2

[shut vapor]

R2e2 👀

[trim sail]

"I'm new to the game. So I could not kill the scout probably"

Huh ?

[rose nova]

that sounds kinda normal tbh

new people who just see number and join

[trim sail]

I mean

He's the host ?

[rose nova]

and then u ask em and they haven't played in 3 years or just did r1

oh nevermind

[shut vapor]

Common problem if people host these levels and post it in lfg beginners

[trim sail]

Huh ?

[rose nova]

i guess they got just carried through like c1 n stuff which wouldn't surprise me a lot either

[modern coral]

Tbf, R2E1 is technically an early level

[pine root]

it is

[modern coral]

and if they coast through the hard parts of R2, a player can easily get into a level that they are clearly not ready for.

[shut vapor]

It's an early level but if you are going through every level in order, you'll have enough practice to at least kill a scout (melee or gun)

[rose nova]

i mean i guess they meant melee but just didn't specify but idk the whole story either

maybs they didn't even had a gun for it idk

[shut vapor]

Idk why I'm chatting. I am never confident in my scout kills :')

[trim sail]

Shame

☕

[alpine scaffold]

We tried one attemp at r4e1

I think we did well, maybe

[shut vapor]

I'll never go for a shadow scout kill, can't ruin my rep by fucking up

[rose nova]

tbh like same
i can do it usually but i would be lying that my heart doesn't skip a beat when i go for it

specially like on a bad run or a later level

even if the scouts alone

[trim sail]

I do believe in R2 specifically, if you have already done the previous levels in that rundown, R2E1 would not be much of an issue. It could take a few days but eventually.

It's a progression thing

[alpine scaffold]

Died to tank after big purple scan

[rose nova]

:]

[shut vapor]

The 3rd one?

[alpine scaffold]

I think the 2nd

[rose nova]

i was thinkin the first by how u worded it

[shut vapor]

There's a class 3 S, then a class S 1, then a Class S 1 Surge and then you are halfway

[alpine scaffold]

oh

Class S surge

[trim sail]

Sorry Ray but can you clarify what is an early level ? My brain could not process this one well.

[rose nova]

there's a surge? if there is i completely forgot

[shut vapor]

You never feel it if you plan the alarm because enemies can only go down a ladder one at a time

[rose nova]

no idea still

there's an alarm with a ladder?

[modern coral]

It's within the first two rundowns, where R1 is very short and R2 is longer but is the sort of rundown you might coast/get carried through.

[rose nova]

i only remember the III, and the class one cause it's got a very ez funnel unless they go to the stairs

is it the one that's like right before the gens?

or am i tripping

[shut vapor]

Yes it is

[trim sail]

Got it. Tks for the information

[modern coral]

Like, if inexperienced players in over their heads are gonna get stuck anywhere, it'll be in R2.

[rose nova]

i had absolutely no idea it was a surge nice

i never even thought of that

[alpine scaffold]

I think we won't do the R4E1 secondary until we do at least main first to recognize the map

But

Is the secondary hard?

Like, so much hard?

[mellow hedge]

Secondary is the level

main only is boring

[alpine scaffold]

oh

[mellow hedge]

and doing secondary makes main easy af

Secondary isnt easy

[trim sail]

Secondary is a very intense reactor with short break time between waves and lots of sleepers rushing you.

[mellow hedge]

If you go in blind you will probably wipe

[rose nova]

i was about to use r8d2 as an example kdmskdmd

[mellow hedge]

But its fun af

[rose nova]

but well for u tbh r4e1 main is hard

so i would tbh kinda-

[trim sail]

R4E1 is hard, but you will learn it eventually

[rose nova]

do main first

specially for the ending

and then come back and do the sec unless u feel confident

[alpine scaffold]

Its hard to deal with the big guy in small rooms

Specially in rooms without LoS block

[rose nova]

u kinda plan when it's gonna spawn once u get practice

so u can decide we do this alarm we don't we come back to this room we fight it here etc etc

[trim sail]

@alpine scaffold if you need help on some toughass levels, I could lend you a hand.

[zinc vector]

yo yo

need 3 for r2A1

[rose nova]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[shut vapor]

Slendo would you rather be Schaeffer or Henrikkson

[rose nova]

i'd rather be gay

uhh

schaeffer

i guess

[shut vapor]

[vague cave]

lolwhat

[shut vapor]

Man I can't fall asleep

Not tired enough and too hungry

I feel like a Sim

[wary bramble]

https://www.twitch.tv/shinonono__/clip/ThirstySecretiveGrousePJSalt-2pRi1X6yPmogOL_8

@mellow hedge

I'm still laughing when watching this

[novel slate]

can you guys give me a good argument to convince my mates that the hel auto is good?

they keep throwing the 'why stun when you can kill' argument and its driving me insane zzz

[pine root]

no it isnt

you are wrong

killing is just better

[novel slate]

._.

[pine root]

unless you are trying to bunch up enemies for hel shotty

it is worthless ngl

[gusty burrow]

There are a multitude of weapons that can stun while doing much more relevant amounts of damage at the same time, they're kinda just better.

[novel slate]

i try to bunch them up for hel gun/rifle

[pine root]

if you have

a single shooter at max range

it will spend

50% ammo

killing it

[novel slate]

with helgun in panic situations, theres less overkill than everyone shooting with high hitting weapons

[pine root]

A single shooter

will drain the entire sentry

[gusty burrow]

This is HEL Auto pistol no? Or HEL Auto sentry

[novel slate]

i dont try to snipe with it

only when enemies get close

[pine root]

pistol

it is okay

nvm i thought you meant sentry

[novel slate]

i agree the hel sentry is bad

[junior latch]

this was so funny reading through it while knowing this would come up

[junior latch]

The question is, do you want them to also pick it or are they flaming you for picking it?

Both are bruh.
Gun is great for support and is definetly not bad at all. But stacking them is pretty rough

Altho, you rly dont need it to stack up enemies for hel gun/rifle, small steps and right angles do that

[novel slate]

theyre flaming me for picking it

[trim sail]

friendship issue...

☕

[novel slate]

theyre saying since i dont pick a big damage weapon, they need to spend more ammo killing

and im the only one in the group that brings it

[trim sail]

To recap:
Hel Auto sentry: Best for staggering (penetration too), not killing. Acting as a support tool for other weapons to handle the killing.

[novel slate]

i was referring to hel auto pistol btw, not the sentry

[trim sail]

they are pretty much not so different

[novel slate]

i like it since its so flexible and has insane uptime

also a small burst can stagger anything except bosses

even chargers mid charge

[trim sail]

Well, this is the first time I see someone flaming the hel auto pistol for not being a "big damage weapon"

[mellow hedge]

i mean it isnt

also hel auto pp is much better than hel auto sentry

[trim sail]

It's never meant to be a big damage weapon. It is a SUPPORT weapon

and it supports really well

Don't be mad when I say this: your friends must be having some skill issues

[novel slate]

im just mad that they dont understand its value

[long gulch]

@bold thorn do i host or u host?

[bold thorn]

you host bro, i will join XD

[long gulch]

okay

how do i invite?

[marsh ether]

someone wanna do the very first rundown?

[honest parrot]

@marsh ether You can join sand I thihnk

[trim sail]

At this point, I don't really know what to say to convince your friend. Maybe if you have a record of your previous run, then I could review it ?

[bold thorn]

i think @long gulch and I r trying to do R1A1

[long gulch]

yeah

[honest parrot]

You use a lobby code, look into #how-to-matchmake

[novel slate]

the last we did was r5b3 and at the FINAL extraction after doing all the objectives, everyone ran out of ammo except me who had 3 reloads of hel auto pistol and my burst sentry
they were mad that they had to resort to melee and i did my best stunning the chargers when they got close so they could melee them
the worst thing was that we beat the level and they were still mad!

[trim sail]

I got the context

[bold thorn]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1240921425095692358

R1A1

[trim sail]

And like you said, the key point lies within your sentences

"everyone ran out of ammo except me who had 3 reloads of hel auto pistol and my burst sentry"

this one

[long gulch]

we doing first rundown

[novel slate]

i was carrying the turbine for a lot of the match, but i dont think thats a big reason

[trim sail]

the first question you need to answer: Why your friends ran out of ammo, but not YOU ?

figure this one out first, then you will know what i mean

[novel slate]

because i place my shots and dont just spray everything?

[trim sail]

that's one good point

anything else ?

[novel slate]

🤔

[trim sail]

what weapons were they using ?

[novel slate]

one was sawed off + machine gun, other was double tap + precision

[trim sail]

that's the issue

the weapons you mentioned are very ammo hungry. The sawed off requires close range, and it has limited ammo

double tap ? No need to say

[bold thorn]

@marsh ether

[trim sail]

and think of r5b3 for a second

the extraction was all about chargers, right ?

[novel slate]

yea

[trim sail]

Is any of the weapon above is effective against large chunk of chargers ?

[novel slate]

endless chargers while we sit in the extract circle

[trim sail]

remember the keyword: large chunk

[novel slate]

i had a hel rifle, but ran out while were doing circles to open the extract door

[trim sail]

that's the correct answer

Hel weapons

Imagine this

your team is dealing with more than 20 chargers coming towards you

and your team loadout was: sawed off + machine gun + precision

and an empty hel rifle

so... what's now ?

here comes another issue

Why did not your friend, give you ammunitions for the hel rifle ?

If you already knew, the extraction was full of chargers ?

see what I mean ?

You're doing everything right

But your team did not trust you because they did not have enough knowledge of the level, not to mention their own loadouts

[novel slate]

i think it was a knowledge issue, it was the first time we completed it

but we did it before

jsut didnt get that far

[trim sail]

They are setting you in some kind of mental trap that force you to take all the blame

[novel slate]

so we knew there were chargers

[trim sail]

There's a keyword for this case

Argument from ignorance

[novel slate]

._.

[trim sail]

your friends were abusing this type of logical fallacy

One more thing in case you haven't noticed

Sleepers are enemies created by AI, and they do not deal friendly damage to each other

so again

what weapon do you think is good, against large chunk of chargers ?

[novel slate]

whenever we go into a level we know there will be chargers i will always bring hel rifle and not only because no one else does

usually i bring hel gun for for bullets in the mag

[trim sail]

each weapon has its own pros and cons

learn the level, learn the weapon, then make a choice

This one come from me personally

If I ever had a friend like you've described

I'd not hesitate to block them all

and play on my own

[novel slate]

theyre my irl friends ._.

[trim sail]

Since you said they are your friends, but what kind of friends didn't even think of a slight chance something's wrong with themselves rather than blaming you ?

I highly doubted this

And I don't wanna dig deeper cuz It may ruin your friendship

It's up to you. Enjoy the game and have fun

[true pilot]

jesus christ why is this a psychoanalisis of someones friends

[novel slate]

ill pick it if i think it will be useful and just have to deal with them silently scoffing(?) at my weapon choice

[trim sail]

Do you read book @novel slate ?

[novel slate]

gtfo has a book?

[trim sail]

Not Gtfo related

[novel slate]

last book i read was a uni textbook

[junior latch]

They are

Hel auto sentry is inefficient as hell and is ONLY there to stagger. But other sentries are often just flat out superior in all levels

Hel auto pistol is a great weapon to support but it can also kill somewhat well

[novel slate]

everything i read is online nowadays

[junior latch]

Precision rifle on a charger level pog

[junior latch]

Eh. Sawed off is pretty efficient on charger and big heavy levels (but ye, close range is mandatory)

[marsh ether]

okay

let me join rq

nvm full

[junior latch]

@novel slate it might not convince them

But the general rankings of the hel auto pistol is decently high. It definetly isnt the greatest weapon at killing, but if used right it makes your teammates life easier

This is pretty much the same thing said in the tierlist videos ive made so
(and ye, their special weapon choices were more likely the reason they ran out of ammo quickly)

[little ridge]

Just bring 1 hel pp and have the guy not spam it like a madman

[junior latch]

^

[little ridge]

It's supposed to keep waves staggered

[trim sail]

precision against charger is not wrong, but...

[junior latch]

unless theres a surge on ya

[junior latch]

It is lol

[trim sail]

i hate precision rifle LMAO

[novel slate]

literally me

[junior latch]

you take 3 shots

precision rifle is quite ass vs chargers

[trim sail]

I mean

[junior latch]

it wants to headshot
And it cant

[trim sail]

Technically you can still headshot

but they won't die

😳

they have the head, you know...

[junior latch]

ye but its basically just another limb

[little ridge]

"You can still headshot, but it doesn't count as an headshot"

then... might aswell do not?

[trim sail]

sounds acceptable and unacceptable at the same time

☕

[little ridge]

I'd rather take an HEL Rifle in that case

or an HEL Gun if I feel like I want a bit more control and a bit more leeway

[junior latch]

theres a lot of weapons better vs chargers than prec rifle..

[trim sail]

SCATTERGUN

[junior latch]

unironically yes

[little ridge]

Unironically

[junior latch]

what specials are worse?

revo

[trim sail]

man am i a man of culture...

[junior latch]

sniper

veruta and arbalist arent great either but ~

[trim sail]

there's no but...

my brother

[pseudo sedge]

high cal?

[junior latch]

??

[little ridge]

I'd say they aren't as bad as PR

[pseudo sedge]

does it oneshot them? i dont even remember

[junior latch]

Yes

lol

are you stuck in alt r5

[novel slate]

one of them swears by the arbalist

[junior latch]

Thats a huge cope

[pseudo sedge]

no, i am stuck in "haven't played high cal since I got the game"

[little ridge]

He's a man of taste

[novel slate]

the other is kinda flexible

[little ridge]

and prefers a more civilized weapon for a more civilized complex

[novel slate]

xD

[pseudo sedge]

chat is short rifle worse than pr against chargers?

[junior latch]

Arbalist is just kinda meh

[junior latch]

probably yes

eh

i think both are shit

[little ridge]

Arbalist is the kinoest weapon in special

[pseudo sedge]

id say short rifle is better if the number of chargers is < 3

[trim sail]

I don't recall which machine gun has the faster fire rate, but that one is really good in panic situations. The slower version is very decent when you have a stable recoil control.

[junior latch]

less than 3?
well if you mean efficiency yes

PR probably stops you from taking dmg better

[novel slate]

veruta is the fast fire rate one

[pseudo sedge]

i say less than 3 since stagger is not important when they aren't many

[junior latch]

actually

#guides-and-reviews message

We had short rifle above pr

its mostly cuz you have more spamable dmg

and fast reload

[little ridge]

No offense

[junior latch]

definetly 4th worst in my mind tho

[little ridge]

but posting the podcast as a "THE COUNCIL DECIDED WEAPON X IS SHIT" or whatever

It's a bit

[junior latch]

[trim sail]

short rifle best special weapon. You can't change my mind

[junior latch]

well i usually tend to say that these arent 100% set in stone and to choose what you like (and the level needs)

the matchup one was just specifically smth we discussed there and it came up here rn

[trim sail]

I choose you to be my special friend, D4RKEVA

[junior latch]

best special to get my finger broken

[junior latch]

Also hey
Nobody unironically can argue that short rifle is good

tho i get the point

[little ridge]

Do it so you can get invited to a podcast and your opinion will count 🤣

[junior latch]

??

[little ridge]

It's just weird.

[junior latch]

i asked/invited people who are deep into the gun balance topic generally

(tru/ray/black dragon)

[little ridge]

Dont take it personally but it's a thing that irks me the wrong way

[junior latch]

its 1 million times better than me making one myself and declaring it as „the one“

[little ridge]

It's not about it being a guide

It's about it being a podcast

[junior latch]

hm ?

[trim sail]

podcast's today special guest: Toxic Sen

This game sucks

the end

[junior latch]

11/10

[junior latch]

how would you make a guide out of this even

like either its just the tierlist with quick bullet points from the podcast for weapon ranking

Or the matchup one but it only shows the extremes and why they are good

the stealth guide was supposed to be an actual guide (and i plan to do more)
Podcasts were for discussions and to have people who are in the topics put out their opinions on it

[trim sail]

put my opinion onto your podcast and the rates will skyrocket in a nick of time

Short Rifle is number 1. Scatter gun is for nerds

And we will have a civil unrest...

[junior latch]

eh i probably wont do another one unless theres a topic to discuss like that

[trim sail]

I do appreciate the guide and podcast the community have been making so far

For me, RandomKenny provides the best guide of all

Though I haven't watched all of his videos, only a few

[junior latch]

i do think sleepo missunderstood me posting these whenever stuff like this comes up as me posting them as gospel

I simply made em for these type of discussions coming from beginners, with people who are generally well informed (read, not necessarily 100% correct) and likely to answer here often either way.

@trim sail kenny is based af

[novel slate]

this is nice

[latent palm]

sleepo misinfo?!?!?

@little ridge noooo waaaaayyy

[novel slate]

sleepo do you also play gfl?

[junior latch]

No

[latent palm]

Explain

[junior latch]

no
And no

[latent palm]

Wha why

[night vine]

Hello

[coarse grail]

Hi

[little ridge]

yes

[novel slate]

:suomiga:

how long you been playing?

[little ridge]

Girls frontline? Global since a couple of years ||but I played CN for a bit longer than that||

[novel slate]

yea, kind of imagined since you based your discord name off her lol

i like sleepo too

[little ridge]

good taste

[novel slate]

im also global, started right before aw

[little ridge]

I just want to sleep

[novel slate]

she is my spirit animal

well if youre ever in the mood to leak cn rank strats, my dms are open 🙂

next one is pl+

[little ridge]

I dont really play GFL anymore

waiting for the global of GFL2 to release, if ever

[novel slate]

ah i see

[latent palm]

Same but you gotta have something else

I mean i get it you are close to just dropping on the keyboard everytime we play

[crude bay]

Sleep , whats that?

[latent palm]

Peepeepee

[iron hemlock]

hello, is there anybody out there? - adele

[hidden flame]

i thought that was roger waters singing comfortably numb

wait no, that is anybody in there

not out there lol

[iron hemlock]

he might be her father

[noble hollow]

bad internet really punishing for both host and teammate huh

[little ridge]

for host? not directly

[noble hollow]

yeah but everyone will be affect by it and they will just left or be a burden

i dont know if it just me or the game have a bad ping optimization

[little ridge]

It's way more noticeable on reactor levels sometimes

I assume the game just starts missing packets left and right

there's also a lot of other shit to take into account like when the hit etc

Soloing a giant with hammer has a decent consistency for me as host

But as client it's a roll of dice

[noble hollow]

the other game i play, when i join america server, it still have decent ping when i join

although asia server is better but europe or america are still ok

why gtfo like the ping so bad ?

[junior latch]

Its not server based is probably one thing in the mix

[robust dawn]

maybe steam servers fucking up

[little ridge]

nah

That either gets the lobby into the "even adding bots won't add bots" or just throws everyone back to menu

[little ridge]

Internet wasn't really made for P2P

Some games manage netcoding better than others

[bold thorn]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1241012495808987147

Anyone to carry noobs at R1C1

[hidden flame]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[undone acorn]

Um i have problem with network connection, any tips please :((

[rose nova]

u coul check #1049599987878723635 for the issue ur getting

[small berry]

where would i ask about forming a group
not like just to run a level, but a actual group to stick with?
is it ok here or do i do excluisevely in lfg

[rose nova]

still probs lfg, tbh u could just make a group and then add em to plaay again

[shut vapor]

It's better to ask in lfg imo. More people are looking to play there so they might be more interested in forming a static group

[small berry]

true, just more of a fact that often i find people way more or less experienced

thanks tho

[lone iris]

ANYONE getting network error when logging into the game

[daring ginkgo]

yeah, same

[stable copper]

game is down for me too

[lone iris]

intended to make it more challenging

you must win the desync to clear the rundown

[robust dawn]

nope

[burnt flume]

wonder if playfab is having more issues rn, nothing really shows right now on the website

[daring ginkgo]

game is up just now btw

[near stag]

come on man, hamsters need a brake from turning the server cogs for 24/7

[stable copper]

ye confirmed game fixed

[near stag]

not on my side tho

[lone iris]

they're still running, just someone got drunk and p on the server cabinet

[weak hull]

Network Error but I was able to Inject

?

[burnt flume]

https://status.playfab.com/incidents/twc8rz0hdzgr

[neon idol]

hey fellas

anyone else still having issues?

[pure dew]

In R2D2 is the best holdout location that hallway in 196A? I saw some folks say that holding up in the spawn room is a move

[alpine scaffold]

I like holding in the first zone that opens. Right after the door

We did 8/10 waves there

Me, my duo and 2 bots

[junior latch]

Depends what you mean by „best“

personally, just hold bridge. It becomes a 2 way hold later on at times, but its still very easy while giving you a lot more time

[coarse grail]

Bridge is best, keep it simple stupid

[pure dew]

Scaler: "Here's my recommendation"

The discord: "no"

[junior latch]

Hel rifle goes brrr there

[pure dew]

Truuuu

[coarse grail]

Scaler can sock me

[junior latch]

oh yea

Scalers spot is the spot if you cant shoot 2 sides at all. It delays killing waves

plus scaler (at the time) didnt know about how reactor spawns work

[pure dew]

Oh?

[junior latch]

which i know cuz 1. i played it with him and 2. i told him about how they work

[pure dew]

How do the reactor spots work?

[junior latch]

its not the normal „2 rooms away“

Basically the further you go away from reactor the further out all other waves spawn from reactor aswell

(Aka they cant ever spawn in or 1 room away from reactors)

and since they spawn the same amount of enemies per wave, them spawning late = bad

[pure dew]

Gotcha. So holding the bridge, being close to the reactor room, makes it better?

How would you recommend the turret setup? Do they always spawn in the spawn room too regardless of wave?

[blissful dome]

Me when someone pushes every reactor wave

[junior latch]

Theres forward and back spawns

Generally dont have 3 turrets on the same side ever

2 forward. 1 back (other side of bridge) once the backspawns start (once you got code 4 and wave 5 starts)

[pure dew]

Gotcha. So 2 always focused on blood door direction, and the other shifted to reactor wave 3 onwards

[wicked solstice]

man imagine if you could stack IIX’s

Get that sweet 27x

[blissful dome]

Uncharged giant kill

🙏

[junior latch]

Wave 5

[pure dew]

Are you saying to have 2 at the blood door and only deploy the 3rd once back spawns start?

[junior latch]

deploy 3rd for 5th wave facing to reactor direction (tho not too close to it since they come from both sides by rng)

[pure dew]

Gotcha. So save the 3rd one until wave 5 I'm guess that helps with tool ammo economy?

[blissful dome]

2 bursts is good enough for the first few waves of d2

[wicked solstice]

wait, if you got 27x, how much damage would spear do to precision

[pure dew]

Gotcha. 3 bursts and bio good enough?

Is this one where specific weapons are recommended, or anything can work if you're good enough?

[blissful dome]

On giant?

[blissful dome]

Well anything can work out if you're good enough but

:P

3 bursts and a bio is great for a reactor level

708.75 without the head and back multi

[wicked solstice]

Oh that could 1 shot a pMom

lol lmao

[blissful dome]

Hmmmm

[junior latch]

The 2nd point is basically always the case

[blissful dome]

^

[wicked solstice]

No wait

[junior latch]

but obviously its a shitty point

[wicked solstice]

I’m dumb

Spear does not do 27 damage

[pure dew]

Short rifle and pistol only. Lessss gooooooooo

[blissful dome]

Spear 27 DMG buff when

[junior latch]

recommended is smth like

2 hel rifle/gun, 1 burst cannon, 1 whatever

mains just good ones

[blissful dome]

Finally good

[wicked solstice]

WAIT it does more

i did 27 x 13

27 is the triple IIX

[blissful dome]

Oh lmao

[junior latch]

burst cannon focuses giants
Hel rifles pen clear the waves easily

last one kills anything close so hel rifles can ignore them

[pure dew]

Yeah, I know some levels are chill enough where you can dick around with almost anything

With how the layout is for R2D2, if there are weapons that shine more in that specific level is what I was wondering

[wicked solstice]

3544 dmg to a 5x weakspot

[pure dew]

Gotcha

[blissful dome]

It does 17.5 with 1.5 multi

[blissful dome]

You know what the good mains are right?

[wicked solstice]

472.5 without any precision

[blissful dome]

I better not see fucking ar

[wicked solstice]

HEY

[blissful dome]

Lyt dak

[pure dew]

Hel revolver / shotty, carbine, etc.

[blissful dome]

What's the etc

[pure dew]

Burst rifle is fun too, I know the carbine is a better version

[pure dew]

Whatever is in Darks A tier

[blissful dome]

Hmmm

If I remembered that

[pure dew]

The load out my team has mainly run is:
Hel Shotty / Combat Shotty / Turret
Hel Revolver / Scatter / Bio (I'm bio bitch)
Carbine (or DMR) / PR / Turret
Carbine / HAR / Mines

Depending on the level we swap the mines for turret

[blissful dome]

Carbine pr carbine har

Hm

[blissful dome]

Also scatter and combat hel for reactor?

Hm

[wicked solstice]

oh wait vanilla ar

Nvm

[blissful dome]

LMAO

[blissful dome]

No Dak, we're clearly talking about some random mod <3

[pure dew]

That's our go to one. I like experimenting more. Hel auto pistol / MG was a funny loadout when we did R2C4

[junior latch]

R2C4

[blissful dome]

R2 has a c4???

Am I

Am I ok?

Am I missing something

[wicked solstice]

No I’m thinking about my mod

[pure dew]

Other than myself, the others never did much looking into what weapons are better for what situations, or which ones are overtuned.

I could probably get the HAR to swap to an MG or something maybe. He doesn't like precision weapons as he doesn't have the best aim

[wicked solstice]

I mix up vanilla/Occy balance a lot

[blissful dome]

Real

[blissful dome]

Chizzet

Wdym

R2c4

[pure dew]

No it's me that's missing something.

Missing my keys

[blissful dome]

What does that mean

[wicked solstice]

Close enough

[blissful dome]

Hmmm

[pure dew]

R2B4

[wicked solstice]

Probably R4C2 but eva’s here and chizzt doesn’t want to be murdered

Ah nvm

[pure dew]

C2 was fun too

[wicked solstice]

no it wasn’t

Not R4C2

[blissful dome]

4 shotties arem

[pure dew]

Again I just like experimenting

[blissful dome]

Maybe lower that

[pure dew]

R2 my guy

[wicked solstice]

me when the 15 GLP 5 osip 1 datasphere shopping

[wicked solstice]

Ah lol

Yeah that’s a fun one

[blissful dome]

R2b4?

[blissful dome]

Flip the numbers <3

[wicked solstice]

R2b4 one of my favorites

[blissful dome]

M

Idr it

[pure dew]

C2 is the ??? one right? That was a wild drop xD

[wicked solstice]

Fog turbine to extract

For B4

[blissful dome]

Oh

[wicked solstice]

I love that level

idk why

[blissful dome]

Pubs ruined that level for me

[wicked solstice]

R4C3 is the scary turbine level

[blissful dome]

R4c3 honk mimimi

[wicked solstice]

Got the ass-clenching extract alarm

[blissful dome]

Wait r4c as a whole I'd say

[wicked solstice]

R4C is ok if you don’t count 2 as a number

[blissful dome]

Eh

Sure

[wicked solstice]

is there any rundown with a solid C tier?

[pure dew]

Hey Drake

Yeah Josh

Did you bring the turbine?

Yeah!

...did you bring the right turbine?

...no...

[wicked solstice]

actually R6/8

[blissful dome]

Lmao

[wicked solstice]

Lmao, I never did that for worry of this

[raw grove]

hm

[blissful dome]

I mean r7c3

[wicked solstice]

I always double check

[blissful dome]

Not gonna talk about r7c2

[wicked solstice]

Even if I liked R7C3

[pure dew]

My group made sure we grabbed the right one each time

[raw grove]

i am getting green screen when i play this game

[blissful dome]

C1 is nice too

[junior latch]

@wicked solstice can we ban this?

[wicked solstice]

C2 is buggy as fuck (good level others wise)

[junior latch]

[pure dew]

We have one who loves consoles. He makes a small spreadsheet of all keys and anything per room

[blissful dome]

Sending me straight to Brazil smh

[wicked solstice]

And C1 is like, a massive difficulty jump from B tier

[blissful dome]

Eh

[pure dew]

First five minutes of R2D1 was us querying everything

[blissful dome]

C2 is fucking long

[wicked solstice]

Ignore ovl

[blissful dome]

For no reason

[blissful dome]

uwu

[wicked solstice]

Then it’s a great level

[blissful dome]

But it's part of the level

[wicked solstice]

Ignore it

It is not part of the level

[blissful dome]

It is

[blissful dome]

Ignoign main on r4c2

Good level

[wicked solstice]

It’s annoying and doesn’t add anything meaningful

[blissful dome]

And thus

Level bad

[wicked solstice]

The flyer alarm is super cool, wish I could see it

[wicked solstice]

Nah just run main ex

Hella good time

[blissful dome]

Hmmmm

[wicked solstice]

I have a decent chunk of main ex clears

Or just bug the fog out so you don’t have to worry about it on ovl, use B3

To bug the fog

[blissful dome]

Running e2 main only

uwu

[wicked solstice]

And just do it with no infection

[pure dew]

Alright, so just confirming

R2D2

Hold out on bridge. Have 2 turrets focused on blood door until wave 5.

Wave 5 onwards have the 3rd turret deployed facing the reactor, far enough back to catch sleepers from either stairway.

In the scout rooms try to stealth as best as possible. The scout pathing doesn't fully overlap with terminals so using flashlight on them can be abused.

Hope key is in 199 for log collection 😎

After wave 10 gtfo

[blissful dome]

Dak promoting exploits

Smh

@ mods

Kill

[wicked solstice]

[blissful dome]

The back turret should be like on the back of the bridge

Yea

Maybe have someone near it too

[wicked solstice]

me when i exploit

[pure dew]

Gotcha. So like on top of the crates by the forklift or something

[pure dew]

Exploiting is a part of the game. Abuse ai paths

[blissful dome]

MF I don't remember the specific items on a bridge

[blissful dome]

Glitches aren't the same as ai pathfinding

Lmao

[pure dew]

There's also the people who turn gtfo into different games with mods.

The roguelite one looks interesting ngl

[blissful dome]

I just used ai to describe this

Do I kill myself

[blissful dome]

Hm

[wicked solstice]

That one is fun

[pure dew]

Ask Chat GPT if you should

[wicked solstice]

No

This is normal

[blissful dome]

I must die now

It's fated

[pure dew]

Time to commit sudoku

[blissful dome]

As foretold in the prophecies

My honor

[wicked solstice]

Ai was something else before that

[blissful dome]

Ai is such a shittingly undeveloped term though

It's so broad

It sucks either way

It's also just extremely popularized and that other adjective

[junior latch]

@pure dew just kill the scouts

[blissful dome]

It's also no longer 1954

Btw

:3

[blissful dome]

^

Ong frfr

[hidden flame]

@ornate arch i do not like to cause scenes in public but you should leave the vc

i am not letting a cheater back into the game

[blissful dome]

O

What happened

[small berry]

supply eff mod i think

thats what ive been told...

[blissful dome]

Ah wtf

Lame

[junior latch]

Huh?

[hidden flame]

killing enemies with hammer while not looking at them (maybe not cheats)

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ah

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Ah

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their gun %s seemed weird but that could be me misremembering stuff

[small berry]

i am just waitin to continue :3

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and then they get +50% resource when they use any pack on themselves

lame ass behaviour

covert cheating but not sneaky enough

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Jesus

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the server ping is pretty high

could be thaT

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Ayo what was that

Run that by me again

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maybe, i do not put a lot of stock into the hammer thing

but i have the video if needed

[small berry]

THANKYU

oops caps

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Server?

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Ping

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theres no server

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In general

[small berry]

not server i mean ping in general

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I mean

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im a dumbass :3

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Me when minor word choice mistake