gtfo-chat

[vapid wigeon]

if you prefer sniper. thats cool.

[junior latch]

bio sniper is decently fast and sniper legit always hits what

Theres is no „wrong“ answer as in everything is viable

Some stuff is still worse

[vapid wigeon]

maybe you're better at using it than me. ive had lacklustre results

[junior latch]

but hey appearantly you need 3 people minimum

meanwhile its been solod

Hell every level has been duod

[junior latch]

They do require bio to rly work (not a fan of symbiosis tbh, but gotta work with it)

i prefer bio and 3 burst for simplicity anyway on r1c1

[vapid wigeon]

same ^

covers more ground for the waves

but i imagine if you were fighting bigger dudes and lots of them.

sniper might be the way forward

for hits

[junior latch]

1 sniper sentry is a usual recommendation for newer parties that struggle with concentrating fire power on bigs. So bio/sniper help out

In any decent squad a single player kills the bigs while another sleepwalks through the waves

[vapid wigeon]

maybe the fact everytime we used it we had no bio was half the battle

[honest parrot]

I still don't get why turret symbiosis is a thing

I mean it encourages using other types of turrets I guess?

[junior latch]

it was supposedly a way to make stuff more interesting

It either makes sentries busted with it or useless without

[junior latch]

Always have a bio

[glad hazel]

@tawdry coyote calling someone an idiot for communicating/talking, only after u wake up 5 scouts is really fucking cringe dude.

if u only know how to play the map one way, thats fine. but calling someone an idiot for talking is not

[pastel dagger]

just spam shhhh

[glad hazel]

not the issue

issue is blaming someone else only after he screws up

[pastel dagger]

isnt that just normal gaming behavior

[glad hazel]

its cringe behaviour

but yeah its normal

:))

[pastel dagger]

yeah dont see the issue

[glad hazel]

kewl

[pastel dagger]

just use Sorry voice command

[glad hazel]

if only he did use the sorry voice command

[pastel dagger]

nah u use it

[glad hazel]

o.o

[pastel dagger]

let em seethe

[glad hazel]

nah i prefer the 'well done' command

LOL skill issue, lower his volume

[visual lily]

whats the fastest C1 run so far ?

[junior latch]

17:39

[pseudo sedge]

Run will be posted shortly once video is edited.

[mellow hedge]

had to blur out super inappropriate images and messages from evas mother

[junior latch]

im just waitin for more times to come in

[lost lynx]

yeah there is a lot

[lost lynx]

damn
i guess you are a hacker then

it takes 3 seconds to check

[mellow hedge]

GOOBER ALERT

[lost lynx]

teach him frosty

solo R1C1 right now

[mellow hedge]

aight

na but the thing is

[wild thunder]

⚠️
Goober

[mellow hedge]

i solo'd r1a1, r1b1, r7a1 and some others when i was dogshit at the game and used fuckin AR

[lost lynx]

AR

[mellow hedge]

Like 100 hours

[lost lynx]

💀

[junior latch]

hes just running away

[mellow hedge]

yeah lmao

[junior latch]

Since hes running r6c1

[lost lynx]

every player goes through their R1C1 arc

and see if they are ready for GTFO or not

😔

[rose nova]

om nom nom

[lost lynx]

good luck on your R4A2 PE run

[rose nova]

thenks

[tawny timber]

,,, is it just me, or the game is stuck at "Waiting for system assets to initialize.."?

[rose nova]

u can check #1049599987878723635 if its stuck a long time

[junior latch]

@rare stone decently fun
Best C tier

But C tiers suck ass

otherwise

[rare stone]

I like R8C2 :)

[lost lynx]

r8c2

[junior latch]

As speeds

C tiers generally are cool levels lol

[rare stone]

R7C3 is also a fun one

[junior latch]

i disagree on that one personally

but i know some people like it

[rare stone]

melee is fun

[junior latch]

anyway for speeds a lot of C tiers suck ass

[rare stone]

it's a level with the first half being melee only

so I like it

[mellow hedge]

fair

its a cool concept

[rare stone]

wish the entire level was melee only honestly

the second half kinda falls off a bit for me

[mellow hedge]

fair

i mean the part with ammo isnt bad imo

[rare stone]

it isn't

[shut vapor]

Sorry what kind of backwards logic is the speedrun submission rules

[junior latch]

[shut vapor]

If you don't want to use logs, you must submit your logs, alongside your run.

If you do use logs, you don't have to submit them

[junior latch]

if you do use logs - mandatory for new best times. Can always be asked for by verifyers

If you dont - you have to send them so we can even remotely verify that you didnt use them.

The issue is, its practically impossible to verify that someone didnt use logs. And the only realistic way is to check the logs

makes sense if you know why

[shut vapor]

Can't believe people would be using external software to cheat

[junior latch]

but tbh logless exists cuz people complained and then nobody (aside from pachi for a few runs) ran it

its not cheatin

Was talked through already

[shut vapor]

Well, we won't even need logs to get the sub 16

[junior latch]

sub 16

gl

triple backflip tech unlocked

[shut vapor]

We got the wrong warp tech

[coarse grail]

I'm gonna BLJ through the security doors

[shut vapor]

^

[junior latch]

technically you can do this through normal doors

well not BLJ

but tp through

[shut vapor]

Definitely not worth it in multiplayer

Faster to break the door :3

[junior latch]

not rly you dont charge melee

stam checked

[hidden flame]

who's stam?

[shut vapor]

Consider

Heroic Heart

[coarse grail]

Stam the ram 🐏

[junior latch]

But ye @shut vapor i hope that explained it why logless needs logs

[shut vapor]

No trust ye :(

[coarse grail]

What next, we need to show our boosters if we don't want to use them but don't have to show them if we do?

[junior latch]

well tbf

boosters are completely banned

from all categories now

[hidden flame]

no more booster scroll?

[coarse grail]

in the future AI will analyse runs for the effects of boosters and remove the need for a scroll

[junior latch]

no

Gotta show boosters on all categories

also that was supposed to tag @hidden flame

[high orchid]

damn so i can't use max cpu speed shotgun sentry with bot biotrack in my speedrun

[hidden flame]

so teammates can still grief by booster scrolling on scan

[junior latch]

Wdym grief

[abstract marsh]

What are logs in a speedrun?

[analog flicker]

Where mod to disable/auto trash boosters?

[shut vapor]

Iirc logs are the game files. They show important information about the level you are playing such as item spawn locations, and i think correct uplink codes but don't quote me in that second one

[abstract marsh]

Ah right, I just need to assemble a team to try this out then. Thanks @shut vapor

[shut vapor]

Do NOT use logs

Unless you are Supreme Cringe

[mellow hedge]

They do not show codes

Its pretty much only used for keys

[shut vapor]

[little ridge]

I think they do for some maps no? R2C1 for example

From my very limited understanding they dont for reactor codes and the likes

There's no way of actually checking if you did use logs anyway so banning them wouldn't make sense I guess

As per "why" the speedrunners simply dont agree to share the seed and everyone competes on that seed (or a best one if it's found, whatever) has already been talked about and IF I understood that correctly there's some "limitations" that would make it hard for everyone to get the very same 100% exact RNG

[pastel dagger]

generating god seed

throw another run

neverending cycle sadge

[little ridge]

What I find a bit weird about this "competition" is that the devs basically went with using speedrun.com and didnt do something like "send us demos with times and logs/whatnot, we'll check and do a leaderboard"

[pastel dagger]

resetting again

[little ridge]

But I dont care since it doesn't affect me anyway so whatever

[mellow hedge]

No they do not they got removed from logs

[mellow hedge]

Its trusted

[little ridge]

It's not about it being trusted or not

It's just... bizarre?

[mellow hedge]

eh

It also takes all the hassle away from actually setting it up

All the rules, guidelines, everything is already done

I think theres no reason not to

[junior latch]

@little ridge

Uplink codes are no longer shown, this is also why uplink skip is no longer a thing (was lawless only anyway)

[rare stone]

are R8E2 speedruns a thing?

[mellow hedge]

Yes

current best time is a 51 something

[rare stone]

feel like it'd be annoying af to run

[mellow hedge]

na its fun

just hard

[rare stone]

I mean yeah it's a fun level

but trying to get a good time with how random the respawn rooms can be

or where the resources spawn

[hidden flame]

enemy spawn rng 🤍

[junior latch]

Theres 2 guides for them. And all the maps for the logs are posted in a steam guide

(said guide and one of the videos can be found on speedrun.com under „guides“)

The other video is by voidspace about logs

[abstract marsh]

Thanks, I'll check em out now!

[mellow hedge]

eh its not as rng as you think

pulling like 3 scouts isnt bad you just mine behind you

fuck up tanks and moms

ping only ammo

[pastel dagger]

please

i need tool refill

[mellow hedge]

me when you only need like 3 uses max

[pastel dagger]

manbarondenna does not need tool ammunition

[ripe void]

because he wastes them since he dies 🧌

[little ridge]

Are you in ingame MM?

[pastel dagger]

yes

[little ridge]

yes, it's me

[pastel dagger]

are you better bio than me

told u mm works

[little ridge]

coin toss if one of the other 2 cheats

Let's see

[little ridge]

? I switched to foam

oh well, whatever

[pastel dagger]

well i was gonna double check

u ignored

[little ridge]

I'll check for key zone

[pastel dagger]

if u better i wouldve swapped

[little ridge]

since I'm mute most of the time ehhh

the fug

this aint r3d1

[pastel dagger]

grandpa sleepo recalls vietnam and unleashes skills in gtfo

meanwhile i typed uplink connect twice instead of verify

[lost lynx]

relatable

[pastel dagger]

@little ridge lets play r8d2 next time

[rare stone]

let's play pong

[junior latch]

@wary chasm ?

[wary chasm]

i am very smart

average pub level iq

[vale arrow]

I am microwaving a plastic wattle borrel

Wh-

Water bottle

My IQ is falling help

[kindred tundra]

hello lads

just want to say

if u see a guy named * dont play with newbies

or smth like that

just kill him

bro just started team killing us for no reason

[hidden flame]

e tier levels are impossible

it can't be done

[mellow hedge]

yeah

[tall hawk]

sad I couldn't get to skip cell

[mellow hedge]

ive never seen someone complete r8e1

[tall hawk]

very true

[earnest forge]

Feel free to report such behavior to @foggy plank when possible ; It helps us keep track of them.

[little ridge]

too generous, thanks

[little ridge]

Have you asked Pachi?

I heard Pachi knows how to do E-levels

[wary chasm]

we did, said they were busy cooking dinner

[pastel dagger]

i mean i just come from work to just play the game at normal pace

meanwhile grandfather scattergun gaming ferrari goes by

[analog flicker]

What is the recoiless inf ammo Macro Choke mod user called then?

[rare stone]

cringe

[pastel dagger]

dunno never played with one

[analog flicker]

That's crazy. The last one I played with tried so hard to say they weren't cheating

[pastel dagger]

i only played with the little sentry that could owner

i wanted to tool refill it but it had 1337 ammo

and not counting either

[analog flicker]

That sounds like occlusion when dak fucked up one of the sentries for a small time

[latent palm]

@little ridge Vietnam to vietamese

how goes ur yawns

[hidden flame]

"vietamese"

[latent palm]

yeah yeah scroll up

[dawn raptor]

it would be funny if they added parrying in the game

[analog flicker]

Kaiser of the Yappanese Yapology

[latent palm]

its been 14 hrs

ive been fighting bugs nonstop

[analog flicker]

There is a modded rundown that has parrying iirc.

I forget which one.

[latent palm]

the horrors

[dawn raptor]

sounds delightful.

[latent palm]

Glaggle land2

broken but parries gives full heal

have fun with that

[wary chasm]

glaggle land brainrot

best rundown available rn

[dawn raptor]

I imagined it being more of a pain like MGR:Revengeance

[latent palm]

im soooo tired

its 4:39 am

[analog flicker]

I haven't seen glaggleland but I have watched lurker play a bit of Attack on Glaggleland

[analog flicker]

Go to sleep you gremlin

[latent palm]

no

[analog flicker]

Put the doritos and mountain dew away

[latent palm]

i want to atleast do something other than being a democrat

ive been helldiving for.....

9hrs straight

got dragged to minecraft for 3 hrs

[analog flicker]

Shouldve just done a Helldivers 24hr stream

[latent palm]

im him when im playing normal

i loose focus on any stage

also u wana join or na

[analog flicker]

I recall telling you my waffle maker can't handle it

[latent palm]

im not saying helldivers

[analog flicker]

Unironically. Was @work

[latent palm]

so u still at work now?

[past wave]

anyone know how to unstuck someone?

[lost lynx]

make him leave

then he can rejoin

[past wave]

Im the one stuck, and Im playing solo xd

[lost lynx]

unfortunate

restart

[past wave]

bruh

its fucking over zawg 😭

[lost lynx]

what level is it?

[past wave]

r5d2

[lost lynx]

a

[past wave]

Was going to a side zone to grab some tool refill before starting the reactor

finally got a good run with the bots and cleared that damn class 10 alarm

[proud relic]

i love how international the gtfo fanbase is, but at the same time 400ms ping is

[pure dew]

Good special to pair with hel pp?

[lost lynx]

combat shotty in my opinion

(any gun works tbh)

[lost lynx]

skill issue

[proud relic]

i keep getting paired with people on the other side of the planet

[lost lynx]

wait

are you using ingame Matchmaking?

[proud relic]

yes

[lost lynx]

bad idea

avoid ingame mm

use the LGF in the server instead

[proud relic]

its faster than waiting in here

most people around here are toxic or gatekeepy in some way too

[pure dew]

Nice. I was debating combat shotty or scatter

[lost lynx]

No?

[proud relic]

in my experience yes

[lost lynx]

eh

[pure dew]

??

[lost lynx]

i dont found gatekeepers or toxic people often

maybe once a month

and thats it

[pure dew]

I've seen playful elitism on like the bat being the best melee

Not outright gatekeeping

[lost lynx]

bat sucks

[pure dew]

That's the joke

[burnt flume]

it's generally chill and a lot of stuff will not be directed at new players

[proud relic]

knife :3

[burnt flume]

unless you've found some cretin somewhere in a voice channel that nobody's heard of before

[proud relic]

i found one alright

[shut vapor]

[lost lynx]

also what do you mean by gatekeeping?

like, they dont let you play some level?

[proud relic]

refusing to play with me the minute i mention im new, even after we did a round or two

[pure dew]

Watch this

What is the best weapon and why is it the short rifle?

[lost lynx]

shut the fuck up

slug is better

you donkey

[pure dew]

TRUUUUU

Slug and short rifle combo though

[proud relic]

i like the funny 14 mag shotgun

[shut vapor]

They are just embarrased that they might not be able to carry the whole mission on their own and everyone else will laugh at them 😔

[proud relic]

and machine gun

[lost lynx]

which one

[proud relic]

afaik theres only one labeled "machine gun"

[lost lynx]

theres 2

veruta and arbalist

[proud relic]

whichever one charges first

[lost lynx]

they both have the same charging speed

[proud relic]

o h

my green beard is showing

[lost lynx]

those 0.4 seconds feel longer than it should

😔

[proud relic]

if im looking to play with people who have mods should i ask in lfg here?

the modding server is dead

[lost lynx]

only QoL mods allowed in here

[burnt flume]

depends what mods

[proud relic]

does vr count?

[lost lynx]

things like perfect boosters or resource stacking make a lot of controversy

[burnt flume]

fair few people you can find around using mods to cheat at the game, otherwise eh you cant lfg for modded rundowns here

[proud relic]

ive yet to find a way to "cheat" with this mod, only mentionable things is being able to look forward with my flashlight on and pointed towards the ground (my player looks at the ground for other people)

[burnt flume]

vr idrk

[proud relic]

assuming my gun is pointed at the ground

[lost lynx]

idk if VR players can play with vanilla

[proud relic]

i have before

[burnt flume]

some people wouldn't care I guess, others I assume would be annoyed because how you play still affects the other players in the lobby

[proud relic]

most of them find it funny

[lost lynx]

you can play VR as long as everybody in the lobby knows and agrees

i guess

[burnt flume]

you'd probably miss out on a lot of the reason for running VR

[proud relic]

and i make sure i let everyone know before we drop the elevator

[proud relic]

hm?

terminals are a massive pain and if i open my map i basically crash :)

[pure dew]

It really do be funny

[burnt flume]

I mean, I'd think that a big reason to play VR is immersion but in a public lobby you probably have people being clowns

[proud relic]

so far i have yet to meet any

im the biggest clown here

[lost lynx]

uuuuuh

good luck

[proud relic]

running sideways and snapping around at 45 degree intervals

[alpine scaffold]

MAN

HOW THE FUC

AM I SUPPOSE TO

FIND THE LOG IN 3 MINUTES IN THE LAST ZONE OF R4D1

WITH FUCING 5 SCOUTS AND A LOT OF CHARGERS

btw sorry caps

[high orchid]

@alpine scaffold literally can't say much other than get good just learn where the terminals are and go to em as fast as you can

[alpine scaffold]

yeah i woke the 5 scouts

[pine root]

You just pull the room

At 5 mins

And kill all

so easy

[high orchid]

that is also another way of doing it

[vernal nebula]

The previous room is a great spot to camp the wave

[alpine scaffold]

i died to the ||2 mothers on secondary||

we died*

[pine root]

Unfortunate

[alpine scaffold]

yes

[pine root]

did you rush in

The zone

[alpine scaffold]

scouts or ||mothers?||

[hidden flame]

which 2

[alpine scaffold]

we rushed the scout zone bcause of 3 minutes timer

and the ||mothers|| we didn't know they would wakeup on the door opening

[pine root]

Mothers

Ah the old scream door

got you

Unfo

[hidden flame]

what happened that took 7 minutes of time for final code?

[alpine scaffold]

30% resource management, 70% Class IV alarm

[pine root]

Interesting

[hidden flame]

something is wrong there

[vernal nebula]

The alarm should not be taking you 5 minutes to finish

[pine root]

No he has a point

Long kiting a 3 down takes a while

[vernal nebula]

[hidden flame]

sometimes it is not recoverable

i have tried

[pine root]

Sometimes people

Play incorrect

Just to die and make the long life harder

[hidden flame]

they play incorrect and goat has to pay for it

hardstuck e1 because bad teammates

[pine root]

Sure that is definitely why

Not that you are playing a character

[hidden flame]

i do not throw runs on purpose, i try my hardest

[modern coral]

Omg, anyone else wanna play blackjack!?

[pseudo sedge]

<@&408548765599793173>

[vestal kernel]

I fold

[wraith marsh]

are there hookers tho

[vestal kernel]

Thanks for letting me know

No

Doubtful

[wraith marsh]

FUCK

this is so sad

L scam

[modern coral]

Low-tier blackjack.

L, no booze, no hookers

[vestal kernel]

None, zero

[mellow hedge]

I clicked on it its real guys

[pine root]

Should I split on a 8 and 7

[modern coral]

I don't remember how to play 😦

[nimble pumice]

I... I don't remember anything...

[mellow hedge]

fuck it we ball

[blissful dome]

^^^

Ofc

[lunar oriole]

Did I just see a guy get called moderators on for asking for blackjack 21

Or am I missing context clues

[earnest forge]

You are missing the scam link that was removed between the two lines :)

[lunar oriole]

Got it

[crude bay]

So poker when?

[latent palm]

Ch0 when scam link

[pure dew]

After the sex update obviously

[hidden flame]

nooo goat missed the chance to start a new life at a casino

[mellow hedge]

as they say, you can never win unless you lose

or something

so keep gambling

[hidden flame]

and not all the King's horses and all the King's men could have prevented the fall of the unwise

[pure dew]

95% of people stop gambling right before they strike it big

You can only loose 100% of your money, but you can gain infinite

[mellow hedge]

This is facts

[coarse grail]

If these are the only two options then its a 50% chance for each of them. So if you lose all your money the first time just try again and you might get infinite

More likely after a loss, in fact

[pure dew]

There's a recent a lot of statistics majors are also gamblers xD

[mellow hedge]

Its simple, its a 50% chance you win and 50% chance you lose

[little ridge]

eh... you know fractional reserve banking?

[blissful dome]

Not if I loan money, checkmate

[pine root]

Stat majors gambling without advantage are just gamblers who can’t understand math

Ngl

[woeful scarab]

where on here can i find the password for r8a2

[rose nova]

https://andocas.com/gtfo/r8a2/

[woeful scarab]

ty

[wheat dew]

r1c1 need asap 109775242075786414

hello ?

[shut vapor]

Nah, WardenMapper is just cheating 💀

[rose nova]

whats that

[mellow hedge]

Don’t use it then

[mellow hedge]

Shows keys and such

[shut vapor]

Software that tells you where key items are to the exact box

[mellow hedge]

Made so you don’t have to waste a ridiculous amount of time rolling for good keys on runs

Some levels it matters a lot

Some not so much

[shut vapor]

Just make it so it tells you the room 💀

Sorry guys, I can't speedrun GTFO if I don't know EXACTLY where everything is

[mellow hedge]

Dude

You can

It just takes ages

Also

[pseudo sedge]

ah yes let me reset 4 min into the level when i see key is not in the best box 30 times until it is indeed that box

[mellow hedge]

It doesn’t work with cells, cargos, anything like that

That is much much much harder to do

[shut vapor]

How can you justify an external tool that tells you the important shit, but not inbounds cheese spots

[mellow hedge]

Because there’s a category for that?

[unreal crystal]

the category for that you just use doorbug

so no not really

[mellow hedge]

I mean yeah

But that’s the category where you do that stuff

Finding where key is doesn’t take advantage of unintended cheese spots/glitches and such

[shut vapor]

It saying the room it would be in should be enough

[mellow hedge]

But why isn’t that bad in your eyes?

[pseudo sedge]

why limit to the room? your argument is that external tool is bad, then even telling u the room is bad

[shut vapor]

If you are being told the room then you can argue it saves times on resets, but you still need to search for it

[junior latch]

only if its actually faster anyway

[junior latch]

Ah yes the 20 different key spawns of which 15 suck in r1a1 alone

[mellow hedge]

But you are still using an external tool to whittle down the options for where it could be

[pseudo sedge]

but your argument states that knowing itself is bad

[mellow hedge]

Same thing that finding key does

[shut vapor]

It is, no-one should be using it in the first place 😔

[mellow hedge]

Then don’t

[junior latch]

people didnt search for keys in most speedruns. They prayed

[unreal crystal]

I do wish none of this exists ngl

[pine root]

Yes

It would be more of a team game

[mellow hedge]

It would be cool

[unreal crystal]

I’m glad that we’ve come full circle to arguing about logs again

[wheat dew]

can someone help us ?

[pseudo sedge]

you would just increase the amount of time required to get the same run, since instead of going for key immediately and optimizing other parts u pray for key spawn

[mellow hedge]

But I don’t hate that it’s there

[unreal crystal]

no

[mellow hedge]

Damn can’t help out a poor pub

[wheat dew]

team 819 needs ASAP

[pine root]

What is up

[junior latch]

optimizing levels would suck

[pine root]

Optimizing a teirs would

[junior latch]

and b tiers

and a lot of c tiers

and some d tiers

damn

[raw shard]

This is my first time using wardenmapper

[shut vapor]

Kinda forced to if everyone else is otherwise its just unfair

[raw shard]

not only does it tell you the key number and literal box spawn

[junior latch]

Wardenmapper (for actual collectables) is where i 100% see peoples points

[unreal crystal]

Exactly

[raw shard]

this is so cheating

wtf

[mellow hedge]

I think it would only suck for faster levels yeah

[unreal crystal]

we had this same argument ages ago

[pine root]

Logs

[raw shard]

How is this allowed in restricted

[pine root]

There is a tag for logs and not logs

[junior latch]

people having not listened before, take 5

[junior latch]

Which is mostly a meme tbh

[pseudo sedge]

it improves the runs

[pine root]

Wdym

[pseudo sedge]

simple as that

[slate olive]

All I say is that this should never be allowed

[wheat dew]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

we stuck at R1C1

[pine root]

Logless runs are honestly better for e tiers ngl

[unreal crystal]

thing is the tag doesn’t matter in this case because they’re just looking at the fastest restricted time

[pine root]

Tc was correct

[pine root]

It is logs not warden mapper btw

Warden mapper doesn’t exist except for one level

[rose nova]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
[there is also a russian server in #hc-europe]

[pine root]

R2c2

[mellow hedge]

I think it just makes speedruns luck based at that point for a lot of missions

[pseudo sedge]

r1b1 too

[wary chasm]

for levels where actual skill and decision making matters more than spending 20 extra seconds to ping key logless does seem fair

[mellow hedge]

Yeah

Like r5e1

You don’t need it there

[pine root]

“It doesn’t save any time we would just run to that box anyways “

[wary chasm]

if youre the better team, its just likely youre getting the better time even without logs

[pine root]

It depends

[mellow hedge]

Fr

[pine root]

Fully on the level

[wary chasm]

for those e tiers specifically

[unreal crystal]

It just sucks because you HAVE to use logs

for some levels

[pine root]

Yup

R1a1

[wary chasm]

true

[unreal crystal]

R5e1 and r8e2 dont rlly matter

but r4e1 knowing where keys are is just so good

[pine root]

R4e1 we are at the point it does

[unreal crystal]

yea

[pine root]

Even r5e1 at this point

[mellow hedge]

I agree def

[pine root]

Running j key feels awful

[mellow hedge]

At some point it matters

This is for pretty optimised times

[wary chasm]

youre not beating some guy who got god seed out of luck even if youre just the better team if no ones using logs

[pseudo sedge]

every single level at some point if u optimise enough u will eventually need to know where key is so u can optimise it further without running it a million times

[pine root]

Anyways isn’t logs not even allowed for r6c1

[mellow hedge]

Some speed runs become obsolete at that point bc the chance for a run is so low

[unreal crystal]

No it is allowed

[mellow hedge]

Like r1a1

[pine root]

Oh

Kinda lame

Ngl

[pseudo sedge]

unless they patched gtfo just for this event it was 100% allowed

[wary chasm]

reset at the end of r6c1 when its bad data cube spawn fr

[mellow hedge]

I don’t wanna reset for 20 keys 😭

[shut vapor]

Then dont

[pseudo sedge]

even more funny when it is key 41 but u see box 34 on the way and open it thinking key is in there

[mellow hedge]

That’s why I use logs

[unreal crystal]

but you still reset for the keys what

[pine root]

Ngl it should have been loggless unless we be sharing the log map openly

[mellow hedge]

As in resetting after running for 3 minutes cause we got shit key

[thick temple]

cause resetting after 2 seconds is the same as resetting after 4 minutes

[pine root]

So people don’t have to do the work

[pseudo sedge]

yea, but it takes us 10 seconds to get a runnable level, instead of running for 20 minutes for 1 run

[wary chasm]

spending the time dropping and seeing it yourself is what frosty means ig

[mellow hedge]

Isn’t it public?

[pseudo sedge]

wdym unless we be sharing it?

it is public

[pine root]

Where

[mellow hedge]

As in box ids?

[pine root]

Na

The map

[wary chasm]

is it actually public in src?

or does it just say that it uses logs

[pine root]

The fucking numbers

[pseudo sedge]

steam, eva posted all of them a while ago

[pine root]

Anyone can get

[mellow hedge]

The map with box locations and ids is on Eva’s guide on steam

[pine root]

ah

[mellow hedge]

Ya

[pine root]

lame

[unreal crystal]

First ive heard of it ngl

[pine root]

It should be in the competition announcement

[pine root]

Yeah

[wary chasm]

i know about that but ngl i don't think its as widespread in the community

[pseudo sedge]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3166671266 this is every single level currently mapped

[mellow hedge]

Apart from E2

If anyone wants that I have it

[pseudo sedge]

wait eva hasn't updated it?

[mellow hedge]

Nah

[pseudo sedge]

bruh

dm him

[junior latch]

Its fucking linked (or supposed to, please tell me obama did it when i asked months ago) on the speedrun server AND speedrun.com

[junior latch]

I wanted to today

but been busy for E2

[unreal crystal]

it would’ve been nice to know in the announcement tho

I never handle the logs shit anyway so bread managed to find it I assume

[mellow hedge]

Would have been nice

[unreal crystal]

But for other teams it would’ve been good info I think

[junior latch]

bread knows about it since he and void did it with me yes

[wary chasm]

didnt know about that, i just found it while browsing steam

[shut vapor]

Sorry I'm not in the speedrun server guys 😔

[quartz cape]

are you guys arguing about logs wihtout me

[wary chasm]

i dont frequent src enough to know that its linked there

[shut vapor]

Sorry I'll ping you next time

[mellow hedge]

Sorry won’t happen again

[junior latch]

its a speedrun event

kinda implies that youd check stuff a bit

I do agree 100% tho that an announcement wouldve been helpful

[raw shard]

Wardenmapper gives you way too much information, I was under the assumption it was just giving you the Area like Area_C or whatever

[shut vapor]

[unreal crystal]

nope

[raw shard]

The actual box location is too much

[shut vapor]

We didn't find out what it was capable of until 5 minutes before

[mellow hedge]

But why isn’t the room too much?

[thick temple]

yeah at that point you're setting an arbitrary goalpost

[pine root]

Because j key is r5e1

Is unrunnable

But h key isn’t

or k key

or I key

[wary chasm]

reset for a key its just at the start anyway

[pine root]

you still have to look for keys but tbh

[mellow hedge]

But in r6c1, some keys aren’t runnable in f

[pine root]

It should have just been seeding

[pseudo sedge]

in r6c1 at this point 2 rooms are runnable, both rooms having at least half the keys unrunnable tho

so u gamble

[pine root]

Hence it actually saves the time

But you can without logs

[mellow hedge]

Yeah obv

[pine root]

Feel where the key is

[mellow hedge]

You could now with a decent chance of a runnable key

[pseudo sedge]

you can get wr without the logs... it will just take u 10 times longer

[wary chasm]

advanced speedrun strats

[pseudo sedge]

since every other key wipes off at least 6 seconds

[raw shard]

we got the same time as you without logs

[unreal crystal]

this “it’ll take longer” argument is odd

[pine root]

In a competion with a time limit

it matters

wdym

[shut vapor]

You have a week to get a good run, we got a good run in a day

[raw shard]

in the same amount of time

[slate olive]

getting wr without that is easy enough

[quartz cape]

i think wardenmapper should be allowed but only if you rewrite it in a better language

[slate olive]

with that it is broken

[shut vapor]

With how often the key spawns in F, you don't need to reset that much for a good time

[pine root]

Yeah makes sense

[raw shard]

Its like 90% in E or F

[mellow hedge]

Yeah

[pine root]

Btw you also want the key to be in a break lock

[raw shard]

yea

[pine root]

And lockers only have one of two options when it comes to what locks them

[junior latch]

both rooms also have a 90% chance to get they key to spawn in it

hence why i fuckng recommended r6c1

[pine root]

This is the same every time

tho

So if 19 is a hit lock

[wary chasm]

is perfect optimal hacking (early blue lines) faster than a lock melter?

[pine root]

It is always a hit lock

[raw shard]

no

[shut vapor]

Should've been R5B4 I'm telling you

[past wave]

Are boosters allowed for the speedrun challenge?

[raw shard]

no

[pine root]

No

Or cheese spots

[pseudo sedge]

no, speedrun.com rules apply fully

[raw shard]

Standard restricted rules

[junior latch]

can be hitlock or nothing
can be hacklock or nothing
can be nothing

[past wave]

gotcha, not really familiar with the rules

[pine root]

yeah but if you are high rolling

[past wave]

bioscan speed stacking would be so op

[unreal crystal]

for this level it clearly didn’t matter but I think for harder levels, you’re going under the assumption that teams would be playing for the same sorta times without logs that you’d be getting with logs, which is just a flawed way of thinking, e tier times would just be different and the end goal would just end up being a little slower

[past wave]

me and a couple friends cheesed r8b3 extreme scan by stacking a ton of bioscan speed

[unreal crystal]

Logs has just made everyone reset monkeys I think

[pine root]

I don’t disagree

[wraith marsh]

yayyy were having the logs convo

[pine root]

Tbh we don’t reset r5e1 runs even with logs

[mellow hedge]

I should’ve slept man

[unreal crystal]

it’s a good mindset to have jish

[pine root]

I mean

[wraith marsh]

logs are like a bell curve

[quartz cape]

i already won this argument a year ago

[pine root]

We still get the 30 seconds of time save

[unreal crystal]

people throw away so many runs because key isn’t in the best spot

[pine root]

For free

[quartz cape]

how dare you all challenge me again

[wraith marsh]

the "you can get the same time with logs or without" only applies at the far end of the curve

which has only really been reached on like

fucking r1a1 runs

[pine root]

XD

[wraith marsh]

every other level its just been used for time save

[pine root]

Free time save

On any key

[unreal crystal]

the people who advocate for logs are the ones who grind all the A tier levels

[pine root]

On average

[mellow hedge]

I mean you can get that time just gotta spend a few years lmao

[unreal crystal]

Literally competing with themselves

Because no one else runs fucking r4a1

[slate olive]

we got that time in about 7 runs so nah

[quartz cape]

guys check out my wr collection

what do you mean there was no competition

[pine root]

Very nice

[thick temple]

are you gatekeeping with the basis of "those levels are easy so who cares"

[pine root]

no they are short and massively rng dependent

that is the main thing

I can play r1a1 race with chill dude

[unreal crystal]

they just aren’t interesting levels for speedrunning

[pine root]

If he has a better key than me

I loss

[unreal crystal]

I said it abt this competition too, there’s not really much skill expression

[pine root]

r1a1 isn’t skill expressive

[wraith marsh]

yet we apply the arguments from it to every other level

[pine root]

Yeah

[quartz cape]

guys can we speedrun r2d1

[pine root]

Because we love logical fallacies

[wraith marsh]

I honestly dont think logs are bad for the game I just dont like them lmao

[quartz cape]

i need wr

[mellow hedge]

That’s fair

[wraith marsh]

they feel bad, they lead ppl to have poor practices

[junior latch]

mostly anyone who ran before logs reset just as much

[wraith marsh]

and they make speedruns just weird and feel kinda bad to get into

[pine root]

reset

We don’t have b key

Reset we don’t have a key

Reset we don’t have blank

[pseudo sedge]

that is fair, it can lead to bad practices, but that doesnt mean they are bad. It is a tool for speedrunning that allows for better times and more actual runs instead of gambling for keys

[wraith marsh]

I should not feel obligated to use logs when terminals are a core mechanic in the game, but load times are long and a better time is a better time

[junior latch]

all the levels 😄
unless you wanna start saying i only ran A tiers

[unreal crystal]

let’s see your e tiers ;D

[junior latch]

yes :3
cuz only E tiers count

(just a hint, i get wanting to run E tiers. They are sick levels and pretty fun to go fast in with a team)

[quartz cape]

she was talking abt all my a tier trios

[pine root]

Short levels just aren’t fun to run

Log a teirs like r4a3

[quartz cape]

trio every level with bots for 80 free wr

[junior latch]

its a fun lvl
but not E tier so its an A level sry

[unreal crystal]

and there’s a lot of short levels

[pine root]

Are enjoyable

Most levels are under 15 mins

[mellow hedge]

I would run harder levels if I had people to

[pine root]

And a lot that aren’t are very time gated reactors and such

[junior latch]

theres only a few rare speedruns where youd ever touch terminals tbh

[pine root]

without logs

[thick temple]

i will say i still find having 16 subcategories for every single level a bit excessive
like who actually cares about duo or trio wrs other than just to fill out your src resume

[pine root]

You would

Almost every time

[junior latch]

NO

LOL

[pine root]

Yeah

[junior latch]

i ran before logs

[pine root]

For longer levels

Yeah

[wraith marsh]

at the end of the bell curve

[pseudo sedge]

which levels?

[pine root]

100%

[pseudo sedge]

what

[junior latch]

so did many others

[unreal crystal]

Longer levels

[pine root]

I don’t throw away my r4e1

[wary chasm]

hey trios speedruns is a vital and competitive sector of gtfo src

[pine root]

Because my last zone key

Is fucking g

[junior latch]

you only checked keys on terminals if you wanted to practice later stuff usually

or if terminals was partially on the way

[pseudo sedge]

r6c1 is a 16 minute level and u never want to even come close to a terminal

which level do u touch terminals in

[pine root]

Any level

That is longer

[pseudo sedge]

give examples

[thick temple]

hell i'll even accept getting rid of lawless because hardly anyone runs it and it just adds more fucking subcategories

[pine root]

R4e1

[pseudo sedge]

and we can do the math on how much u loose

[pine root]

R2d1

[pine root]

You loss 3 mins on max no time on best

[unreal crystal]

R5e1 r8e2

[pine root]

R4a3 r5a2

R5b1

[unreal crystal]

R5d1 probably :D

[pine root]

^^

[mellow hedge]

Why don’t we all just do Brazil skip

That would be fun

[pine root]

It would have been

[pseudo sedge]

r4e1? 3 minutes? so u add only a 10% time to your run

[mellow hedge]

No logs

No nothing

Easy

[little ridge]

What's happening

[pine root]

Logs

[little ridge]

so many messages

[pine root]

discussion

[little ridge]

New speedrunner drama?!?

[mellow hedge]

I wanna sleep but I get MAD FOMO

[pine root]

Na

[wraith marsh]

old speedrunner drama

[shut vapor]

Discussion about cheating 😔

[junior latch]

theres like 5-6 levels youd even remotely think of using a terminal without logs

[wraith marsh]

LOL

[junior latch]

until r4

[pine root]

yeah almost like

[wraith marsh]

I was waiting for it

[pseudo sedge]

go sleep man, we run in quite a bit, u need to be up and ready to get wr

[pine root]

The longer the level

[little ridge]

ah well

[pine root]

The more terminal matters

Crazy

[junior latch]

the higher the likely hood terminal doesnt matter*

[little ridge]

I was looking forward to the namecalling, the digging out old messages

The drama

[wraith marsh]

ok so

[junior latch]

R2A1 is a level you can ping key in even if its short
its on path, you get time. And it isnt free spawn

[wraith marsh]

having 1 person on term, 3 ppl spreading out for possible key spawns

[little ridge]

Sleep is nice

[quartz cape]

yo i still got some old messages saved from last time

[little ridge]

I can confirm since I'm sleepo

[pseudo sedge]

you still loose time pinging key

so u gamble anyway

[pine root]

Can we get the cheese discussion again

[mellow hedge]

Can we discuss something else I’m hungry

[junior latch]

like unless you wanna run EVERY attempt. Youd stop pinging pretty quickly to cover more bases

[wary chasm]

actual cheese or cringe cheese?

[wraith marsh]

we still dont have the cheese spot tier list

[little ridge]

I checked the ones about that whole thing of people getting mad over a screenshot of the end

[pseudo sedge]

every single run is 104 with 19 gamble, if not reset

[pine root]

Without logs

[little ridge]

But cant find it in gtfo-media

[pine root]

There is no reason to not run

[quartz cape]

too much drama 4 me to remember what this was

[pine root]

Chess mb the discussion about is it cheating if I cheat at chess using a window program

[little ridge]

I mean

I dont know what you're saying but

[hazy flower]

yo hey people, is there a channel in this server that i can use to find a team for the speedrunning competition happening rn?

[quartz cape]

hmmm gonna have to think on this one

[little ridge]

If you use fuck, a browser with lichess open on max difficulty and reproduce the moves asking stockfish 9 for the best ones

that'd be cheating

[quartz cape]

???

just using external programs tho?

[little ridge]

Cheating in chess (online) is SO fucking easy that it's annoying

[quartz cape]

not modifying the actuall chess program???

how cheating???

[hazy flower]

there is a general chat people..

[mellow hedge]

Sorry let me use my Time Machine to win

[steep scaffold]

why would you need to modify when you can use engines online

[quartz cape]

some of y'all new around here

real ones remember the seeded run discourse

[unreal crystal]

Yes

[little ridge]

How to cheat in chess: you and me play, you open a new tab, do a CPU match on some site with CPU set to 10 and do my moves against the CPU, then you do the moves that the CPU does against ME

That's how you cheat in chess

[junior latch]

real ones remember why seeded runs arent a thing as of right now

[quartz cape]

blud did not get it...

[steep scaffold]

easy fix is to have 1 sec per turn. easy

[little ridge]

Who's blud?

[quartz cape]

u

[wary chasm]

you 💀

[mellow hedge]

Got em

[wary chasm]

but still, that isnt even close to being a fair comparison at all

[little ridge]

Is this some Fight Club moment?

[pseudo sedge]

sry let me attach cheatengine to gtfo so i can see in real time every single enemy in the map 24/7 along with key, objective items and also map out the perfect path for my character, sry i am not changing the game files or anything, just reading game files

[little ridge]

Have I a second personality I didn't know

[wary chasm]

just something stupid with barely the same premise

[pseudo sedge]

same applies to chess, u exaggerate the argument without actually trying to disprove

[little ridge]

I've no idea I just read chess and thought chess

[quartz cape]

congradulations you played yourself

[steep scaffold]

same

[unreal crystal]

Another mountainman win

[quartz cape]

😎

[wary chasm]

basically comparing using logs to having an engine open in chess

[little ridge]

He cant lose

[wary chasm]

pretty stupid

[little ridge]

In fact mountainman never lost temper

[mellow hedge]

Hmm

Sleep sounds good

[little ridge]

ah so that's what the log thing was about

[steep scaffold]

guys its not cheating if i use my king to kil his king. the game devs of chess didnt account for it

[little ridge]

had no idea

Personally I've always thought it cuts the middleman of RNG in runs a bit

But a lot of stuff gets murky when you try to make a competition out of something that wasn't designed to be one

But that's basically the nutshell of Speedrunning so it ain't my business

[mellow hedge]

Yes

This game wasn’t designed to be speedran

[junior latch]

without logs this competition would be more rng reliant than without it

logs also are not able to be banned anyhow

and logs dont make you reset "more"
they make you spend less time on a reset

[wary chasm]

if you dont wanna use logs then dont use it

[little ridge]

THAT being said, rules only make sense if you can enforce them, and from my limited understanding there'd be no way to check if a run was logged or not

[junior latch]

or use them and just dont reset

[quartz cape]

oops devs forgot to uncheck makeOutputLog

[little ridge]

Therefore what's the point?

I'd guess if you guys could just all manage to have the SAME exact parameters (as in conditions, so same stuff always in the same place) then we wouldn't be having this discussion

So I always assumed this was not an option

Therefore whatever, use logs I guess

[quartz cape]

in the game's current state you'd be stupid to not use logs

[junior latch]

seeded would be nice if the community could agree on which seeds for all 83 levels and then set them up in a pure vanilla fashion modded rundown

[unreal crystal]

It’s just the standard

[quartz cape]

but if you did this while speedrunning any other game people would disqualify your runs in an instant

[pseudo sedge]

minecraft?

[wary chasm]

for this competition at least maybe that couldve been decided

but yeah no time

[unreal crystal]

not the Minecraft comparison again

[wary chasm]

like it doesnt even have to be the optimal seed

[unreal crystal]

here we go

[wary chasm]

i love Minecraft fr

[pseudo sedge]

you cant just say that and not expect someone to say minecraft

[junior latch]

no lol

[unreal crystal]

You guys need more examples

[mellow hedge]

This game is like anti speedrun with all the rng

[shut vapor]

Minecraft Enderpearl example

[quartz cape]

if you did a non-seeded run and knew before you generated the world where the end portal was that would be cheating

[pseudo sedge]

minecraft debug menu man

even better

[little ridge]

I mean I assume that it didnt really matter much to devs. Someone's gonna win so they were gonna fork the money anyway more or less. Ultimately they perhaps dont care about "who" helps them but just wanted more exposure for the game

[pseudo sedge]

you only find out every single entity within your render distance

[mellow hedge]

The difference between knowing and not knowing is huge

[little ridge]

I think I remember Payday 1 having some competition along those lines with overdrill thingy that lasted hours but perhaps I'm wrong

It's all a pointless discussion anyway if prohibiting logs would just mean that someone could use them in secret anyway to get an advantage

[mellow hedge]

Tbh I should’ve stuck with Wizard101

[unreal crystal]

You’re in gtfo chat friend

Pointless discussions happen all the time

[quartz cape]

i could really use a gtfo chat friend...

[unreal crystal]

You lost ur only gtfo chat friend

[quartz cape]

dont remind me

[unreal crystal]

And he’s never coming back

[quartz cape]

waaaaahhhh

[mellow hedge]

How do I hide half the channels here?

[little ridge]

Say something controversial and get banned

[mellow hedge]

Guys

GTFO is bad

[unreal crystal]

Ask badger for tips

[little ridge]

Banned.

[quartz cape]

im gonna go to general and come back when i see a 12 year old post something

hey guys im back

[unreal crystal]

Oh hey man

[little ridge]

Badger was always nice the very few times I played with

Heck I was accused of being a badger alt at the beginning

[quartz cape]

are you asian or mexican

[mellow hedge]

How was the trip?

[quartz cape]

if not then that's why

[little ridge]

Flag is similar

🇮🇹 🇲🇽

[quartz cape]

badger can't find italy on a map

[little ridge]

It's shaped like a boot

[quartz cape]

never heard of it

[mellow hedge]

What is Italy? (American btw)

[quartz cape]

i think its a brand of spaghetti

[mellow hedge]

Ah

Makes sense

I heard it was a continent

[quartz cape]

no problem

[little ridge]

A well done pizza resting on an extremely small table on top of a Neapolitan old building watching the Bay of Naples at sunset

[quartz cape]

none of those words are in the bible

[mellow hedge]

That was a lot of words that I didn’t learn in school today

[little ridge]

And realizing that, ultimately, "who gives a shit" is a correct answer to any question you have

[mellow hedge]

I give a shit apparently

[quartz cape]

dad am i adopted
"who gives a shit"

[mellow hedge]

I think autism is at play here

Daddy why is mommy gone?
“Who gives a shit”

[little ridge]

You really had to go to those avenues 😄

[mellow hedge]

It’s real

[wary chasm]

erm... these arent gtfo related topics... i think you guys might want to consider moving to general chat... just my opinion 🥺

[mellow hedge]

Happened to me

[mellow hedge]

Dude

Open wide

[little ridge]

Wait you 2 have the same avatar

it's the same anime girl

[wary chasm]

yeah this guys in love with me

[mellow hedge]

I’m holding dado

Sado

wtf