gtfo-chat

[nimble pumice]

some do

[gusty burrow]

The dev team has confirmed that they look at several things to inform balance, and that usage stats is one of those things.

Doesn't mean usage stats are exclusively used (though some changes seem to indicate that they are definitely weighted highly).

Also, usage stats are helpful stats, and it is good to use them to inform balance, but they need to be examined in an appropriate context. E.g. weapon intuitiveness, fun factor, etc.

[outer lantern]

yeah I guess the hel shotty was too good so they had to nerf it

As was scatter

and hel rev

and burst cannon

[blissful dome]

that happened

[gusty burrow]

(HEL shotgun) It has been nerfed, the RoF nerf was a good nerf. It toned down it's overperforming DPS and made the weapon more intuitive.

[outer lantern]

still four of the strongest weapons in the game

[blissful dome]

when was that lmao

[wicked solstice]

Imma be honest tru

That was more of a buff

[gusty burrow]

I believe in your ability to look it up.

[outer lantern]

kiss me rn dak

[blissful dome]

im too stupid sorry

[unreal crystal]

It was like alt r5 alt r6 maybe?

[outer lantern]

Real

[blissful dome]

hm

[unreal crystal]

One of those

[gusty burrow]

No. The weapons power level went down. Making the weapon more intuitive/easier to use appropriately might make it better for the average user but it does not change the weapon's power level.

[wicked solstice]

Mmmm

[thick temple]

25 sept 2023

[blissful dome]

hm

[wicked solstice]

Might’ve not been a buff

[unreal crystal]

That’s far in the future

[wicked solstice]

But I don’t think it was a nerf

[thick temple]

you are correct

i have fixed

[wicked solstice]

I think it might’ve just made the weapon less attractive to new players

[nimble pumice]

inconsequential nerf

[blissful dome]

gtfo 5 r1204 patch leaked

[gusty burrow]

It has been nerfed. The reload change was a good nerf. It's reload cancel made it drastically overperform in the hand of veterans while it's uptime sucked for newer players. It's uptime is still very good in the hand of a veteran but is slightly less aggregious.

[sharp owl]

what is stopping the devs from doing actually good balance changes

[outer lantern]

Nothing

[blissful dome]

im guessing an understanding

[outer lantern]

except their other games

[blissful dome]

or desire

[blissful dome]

^

[sharp owl]

their other games didnt stop them making dogshit balance changes, dont pull that excuse out now

[blissful dome]

lack of understanding

or desire

or both

[upbeat sail]

why is reload cancel a thing to begin with again

[blissful dome]

glitch

🙏

[outer lantern]

Intended mechanic

[upbeat sail]

I just find it weird they balanced around it instead of outright removing it then

[unreal crystal]

Because the mag gets refilled at a certain point in the animation

[blissful dome]

yea

[unreal crystal]

I think it’s fine

It exists in a lot of games

[paper sigil]

it's intuitive for a gun to be ready when the mag is inserted

[gusty burrow]

Do you think it should be removed..?

I personally find tech like that which rewards player skill is a good thing for the game.

[blissful dome]

intended mechanic 🙏

[paper sigil]

like, swapping away after the mag is inserted, swapping back and you have to insert the mag again looks weird

[sharp owl]

cant believe they balanced around rocket jumping instead of removing it

[glad hazel]

it makes sense cuz irl they reload and shoot, not hit the gun to show that im cool for hitting the gun

[blissful dome]

?

[gusty burrow]

Also makes swapping away from a weapon mid reload more intuitive/less punishing.

[upbeat sail]

I just think that specific one feels weird with how much people bring it up when talking about weapon balance here

[unreal crystal]

Making a change like that this far into the game would just be awful

[blissful dome]

^

[upbeat sail]

yes just if they had the chance before

[gusty burrow]

It gets brought up a lot because it's an important factor in weapon uptime, one of the most important stats for this game's balance for a lot of weapons.

[paper sigil]

inserting mag into weapon but before full reload anim is complete, swapping away from weapon to do [urgent thing], swapping back to weapon just to have to do the whole mag insert animation again can look off

[blissful dome]

i really like it when the reload cancel makes the mag insert animation continue

its funny

[upbeat sail]

lol

[gusty burrow]

I love hitting myself in the face with my biotracker after reloading my HEL revo

[blissful dome]

like on a teammates backpack

its hilarious

[blissful dome]

this too

reload your bio

break action bio when

[nimble pumice]

@paper sigil we gonna frolic in the complex today?

[paper sigil]

how

[nimble pumice]

ye or no?

[paper sigil]

yeah!

[nimble pumice]

the level awaits

[rose nova]

⬆️ ⬆️ ➡️⬆️ , ⬆️ ➡️ ⬇️ ⬅️➡️⬆️

[jade dirge]

finally home

[mystic moss]

yay we can finally start talking about hel shotgun again

[blissful dome]

hel shutgun

for shut the fuck up

[lost lynx]

hel shut your ass up

[high orchid]

you mean hel shitgun?

[lost lynx]

thanks

[blissful dome]

<3

[outer lantern]

Hel shotgun is one of the best weapons in the game @jade dirge

[lost lynx]

jokes aside

[jade dirge]

oh no, the people who wont accept the truth are just wrong, ill start convincing them of other stuff now

[blissful dome]

lmao

[lost lynx]

carbine fucking slaps

carbine + combat shotty

[blissful dome]

real

[jade dirge]

You are wrong

[lost lynx]

Sleepy you are trying too hard now

[outer lantern]

No I’m not

[lost lynx]

you need to make it feel natural

[high orchid]

ima pull a sleepy move right now: Carbine sucks ass you're just using a fuck ton of bullets just to kill 1 enemy when you could use 2 if you use DMR, 4 if it's a charger

[jade dirge]

It's not the best, in my opinion it fucking sucks

[wraith marsh]

you can stop saying it now

[lost lynx]

i swear to god

please stop

[paper sigil]

eeee b-eb-eb beb ee ee

[jade dirge]

We both know I wont

[wraith marsh]

stop saying it

[gusty burrow]

Yo, you put "in my opinion"! Character development! I'm so proud.

[blissful dome]

<3

[lost lynx]

even Chill dude had enough i guess

[jade dirge]

I've been saying it for about three days now

The thing sucks and could be made miles better in my opinion

[gusty burrow]

For real though, if people are sitting on opposite sides and neither wants to allow themselves to be convinced, maybe the best idea is to just drop the argument.

[blissful dome]

is this sarcasm??

i honestly cant tell

[wraith marsh]

its been a while since ive actually been annoyed by someone on the internet

[mystic moss]

wait i was joking about talking about hel shotty can we go back

[wraith marsh]

its not making me happy to say the least

[jade dirge]

Hell, I proposed a rework even dak agreed with, we just disagree in if it is or isn't a nerf

[blissful dome]

:C

[lost lynx]

please someone just tell him to stpo

stop

[blissful dome]

should take a break probably

haha

[lost lynx]

is getting really fucking annoying

[wraith marsh]

I just left for like 2 hours

and came back to the same shit

[lost lynx]

it was "ok" and "fun" now its just so annoying

[blissful dome]

you came back at the wrong time

[wraith marsh]

I have specifically avoided talking for the last like

2 weeks

[outer lantern]

Hel@shotgun is so good

[blissful dome]

idk

[lost lynx]

no, he has a point
its been the same shit for the past month

[outer lantern]

Best gun in the game

[lost lynx]

for the PAST FUCKING MONTH

[outer lantern]

Second only to high cal pistol

[blissful dome]

yea

fair

[jade dirge]

And we talk about it, because it's something that needs to happen

[pine root]

Till tomorrow

I am gonna convince them tomorrow

trust

[jade dirge]

Convince who of what

[wraith marsh]

jish I already tried the like

actual reasonable argument

[jade dirge]

You have no reasonable argument, it's my opinion that, in it's present state, hel shot is not workable

[lost lynx]

LETS PLEASE

[wraith marsh]

considering you didnt even read it, I think you should stop talking

a conversation kinda has to have 2 sides

[jade dirge]

I've heard everything you have to say on the gun and still disagree

[rose nova]

this is a very wonderwful convo

[wraith marsh]

its not a conversation 😄

[lost lynx]

NOT TALK ABOUT THE SAME SHIT

[jade dirge]

Let's talk about hel rifle then

[wraith marsh]

wish my pc internet was working so I could play games instead of being here

[outer lantern]

@lost lynx solo r8e1 with hel shotgun rn

[wicked solstice]

same

[wraith marsh]

anyways

[jade dirge]

Hey, you got the cream out of your name

Nice man

[blissful dome]

:/

[jade dirge]

Hel gun fucks

[lost lynx]

hel shotgun + combat shotgun

uwu

[wraith marsh]

tru the boss shit is exactly as expected right?

[paper sigil]

big fan of x, y is a bit so-so though

[outer lantern]

Real

[wraith marsh]

same as it was for most of the game but now host isnt fucked by other ppl damaging it first?

[gusty burrow]

I haven't tested host vs client

[nimble pumice]

small fan

[gusty burrow]

I go test now

[mystic moss]

can't wait for the next balance patch

[wraith marsh]

I asked pachi to do it but I stopped reading chat before seeing the answer so idk if they did it (sorry)

[lost lynx]

-1 sniper bullet when

[wicked solstice]

Which one?

They did some testing

[blissful dome]

yea

[wraith marsh]

the host ignoring current tumor hp

like client always has

[blissful dome]

yep

[wraith marsh]

awesome

[blissful dome]

sniper still sucks though

h

[wraith marsh]

im kinda glad this is where boss balance ended up, but yeah it does suck for sniper

almost like they shouldve never nerfed it

[blissful dome]

nah

nerf was a great idea

stupendous almost

[upbeat sail]

remove sniper entirely

[mystic moss]

idk sniper has been buffed, reworked, and nerfed since alpha

we're just continuing that pattern

[wraith marsh]

also werent we supposed to not get any patches period for a while

or did I misread smth

[blissful dome]

idk

[mystic moss]

uncapped tumor hp just had to be fixed, it was urgent

[wraith marsh]

ig lol

[upbeat sail]

they probably still have 1 or 2 guys on it

[blissful dome]

real

[mystic moss]

shut up

[jade dirge]

Hey stormer, I got a question

[unreal crystal]

Chill I have a theory

[mystic moss]

stop saying real

[blissful dome]

real

[mystic moss]

real

[blissful dome]

<3

[upbeat sail]

real

[jade dirge]

What's a good gun for big killing

[gusty burrow]

@wraith marsh Host ignores current HP, they did it, clap clap

[wraith marsh]

nice

thats a good ass change imo

[upbeat sail]

most specials work fine, shotguns excel at it

[jade dirge]

Pump shot?

[lost lynx]

scatter

[upbeat sail]

any

[lost lynx]

🔥

[jade dirge]

Pump shot then

Is the ar workable or am I better suited using hsmg

Hsmg is kinda bland imo

[mystic moss]

doesnt really matter tbh

[upbeat sail]

yes but you will struggle later on with AR

[mystic moss]

just get good at carbine

[upbeat sail]

dont use carbine it feels horrible

[jade dirge]

Carbine sux

[mystic moss]

i have 3 other people to make up for my suboptimal weapon choice

[jade dirge]

Carbine bad, Carbine stinky, just use bar

[upbeat sail]

stat wise its fine to be clear

[lost lynx]

carbine is that one gun thats good but feels off when shooting

idk how to describe it

[wicked solstice]

feels fine to me

[mellow hedge]

i know how to

[upbeat sail]

bad feedback

[mellow hedge]

starts with s

hehe

[lost lynx]

skill issue

got it

[mellow hedge]

Na but carbine is really good

[lost lynx]

yeah i know

[mellow hedge]

I understand it feeling a bit weird

[lost lynx]

i been using it lately for almost everything

[upbeat sail]

I just hate using it

[wicked solstice]

Same

[gusty burrow]

Side update, the 1 extra damage thing is back too.

[wicked solstice]

very good gun tho

[upbeat sail]

good in the boring way

[wraith marsh]

absolutely massive

[wicked solstice]

meanwhile, burst rifle

[high orchid]

Burst Rifle feels amazing to use

[upbeat sail]

burst rifle is funny

[wicked solstice]

👌

[lost lynx]

is burst rifle good?

i have never used that shit

[wicked solstice]

Feels great

[mellow hedge]

ya

[wicked solstice]

Not as good as carbine

[upbeat sail]

its good enough

[wicked solstice]

But feels great

[lost lynx]

i need the stats

uwu

[upbeat sail]

go to the wiki then

[high orchid]

isn't it a 2 burst kill weapon?

[wraith marsh]

or a spreadsheet

[high orchid]

1 head 1 body

[upbeat sail]

or install the mod that shows them

[wraith marsh]

spreadsheets have breakpoints a lot of the time alongside the stats

[wicked solstice]

Idk tbh

[upbeat sail]

dont do spreadsheet unless your speedrunning

[wicked solstice]

I know it can 1 burst, but I think a striker had to be crawling

[mystic moss]

real

[wraith marsh]

its like 2 + 3 iirc?

lemme check

[high orchid]

that's dtr

[wraith marsh]

yea 2 + 3

so 1 head burst + 1 body burst with some leniency

[wicked solstice]

huh

maybe I’m capping

Or maybe a sentry had hit it

Already

[wraith marsh]

1 + 5 also works

[blissful dome]

?

uhm

[wicked solstice]

we’ve already established i was on something

[blissful dome]

dak misinfo smh

[gusty burrow]

Well designed break points, chefs kiss

[wraith marsh]

1 burst as client works I think

but like, fuck if thats happening

[blissful dome]

client things

[mellow hedge]

you can 1 burst from the back

[upbeat sail]

just use hel shotgun

[mellow hedge]

but who needs that

[wraith marsh]

if only burst pistol had the same love

[mystic moss]

how do we make burst pistol good enough

[wicked solstice]

Btw tru, you and eva’s redesign of scattergun is gonna go into Occy

[lost lynx]

burst pistol is meh at best

[wicked solstice]

i really liked it

[blissful dome]

burst pistol when you have to aim like dtr and you get absolute fuckall for it

[high orchid]

remove it from the game

[blissful dome]

^

[outer lantern]

increase fire rate and ammo

And also make it oneshot players

[wraith marsh]

gtfo would never have redundant weapons

impossible

[blissful dome]

nope

never

burst rifle carbine?

nah

[wicked solstice]

hey

[blissful dome]

?

[wicked solstice]

One of those is distinctly better than the other

[wraith marsh]

ngl I think those are a less egregious case ^

[wicked solstice]

also one is longer ranged and prec based

[high orchid]

burst rifle>carbine, burst rifle has the best flash light

[wicked solstice]

yeah

[blissful dome]

ok but like

[wicked solstice]

Also YES

burst rifle has SNIPER flashlight

[blissful dome]

burst pistol dtr is the comparison here

so

[wicked solstice]

i love it

[blissful dome]

one of these is also distinctly better

[mystic moss]

burst pistol and regular pistol is the better comparison tbh

[blissful dome]

hm

[mystic moss]

and should inform how burst pistol should be balanced

[hasty quarry]

compare dogshit to horseshit

[wicked solstice]

It’s the same picture

[wraith marsh]

regular pistol is fine at least

[upbeat sail]

I never liked either tbh

they work fine just I never saw a reason to bring them unless you really like hip firing

[blissful dome]

its funny for pistol/highcal runs

[hasty quarry]

did they nerf being able to scatter twoshot mom

[outer lantern]

Nope

[wicked solstice]

for my pistol revo run, I did MP/revo

[blissful dome]

never

[outer lantern]

Sniper nerf

[blissful dome]

🙏

[upbeat sail]

no you could always do that it was just a skill issue for people not beeing able to do it as host

[blissful dome]

sniper too op

ofc

[hasty quarry]

but whats this about killing moms in the patch notes?

[wicked solstice]

Chill hates me for running a full auto weapon I assume

[gusty burrow]

#gtfo-chat message

[blissful dome]

sniper

[wicked solstice]

Chill why do you hate automatics?

[blissful dome]

full auto user smh

[outer lantern]

Chill loves having trigger finger

[blissful dome]

cant aim + skill issue <3

[wraith marsh]

the hate is kind of a meme, but I do think they are all terrible

[wicked solstice]

Just curious, like I know they’re not as good as non autos

[blissful dome]

sorry

[wicked solstice]

I mean yeah

Based ig

[wraith marsh]

im not really an auto fan in other games either

[wicked solstice]

just like I “hate” pdw and DMR

got it

[wraith marsh]

but in this game theyre just objectively worse

[blissful dome]

why pdw

[upbeat sail]

idk why they work fine for me

[outer lantern]

It sucks ass

That’s why

PDW is so ass

[blissful dome]

you suck ass

<3

[wicked solstice]

Cringe sight plus it is literally better AR

Which is sad

[outer lantern]

(I’ve used it for 70% of my playtime)

[blissful dome]

LMAO

[wicked solstice]

Buff my boy AR

:(

[blissful dome]

ar too used

[unreal crystal]

I remember the days where people would tell me mg is good into bigs

[blissful dome]

cant buff

[high orchid]

when it comes to dmr I don't get the scope hate just ignore the smudges

[blissful dome]

</3

[unreal crystal]

I think we’ve come a long way

[wicked solstice]

It is tho

[blissful dome]

LMAO

[unreal crystal]

(We have not)

[wraith marsh]

this is your friendly reminder that "every gun is viable" and "theres no reason to take any main but hel revo and hel shotgun" are not useful to conversation

[upbeat sail]

I forgot is AR the worst primary currently or is normal rifle below it

[blissful dome]

just use hel revo???

like

????

[mystic moss]

the worst semi is better than the best auto

[wicked solstice]

Burst pistol is below it

iirc

[blissful dome]

hel shotty

[wraith marsh]

exactly

[blissful dome]

:3

[upbeat sail]

I thought they massively buffed that

[hasty quarry]

so sniper got even more nerfed lmfao

[wraith marsh]

though burst pistol is kinda ambigious yea

[wicked solstice]

No lol, not unless i missed something

Also slug shotgun

exists

And is bad

[blissful dome]

its

meh

[wicked solstice]

It needs some range

or like

Something

[upbeat sail]

im looking at the wiki stats and it both has more ammo and twice the damage output with close-ish damage falloff

[blissful dome]

yea

[wraith marsh]

I am kind of curious about ppl who say things along the lines of "im less wasteful with autos"

[wicked solstice]

I gave it range, felt good

[mystic moss]

probably give burst pistol 2-shot potential at close range

[wraith marsh]

because I dont believe that even with poor shooting

[blissful dome]

trust

[wicked solstice]

Gotta say, as a big auto user

[blissful dome]

💀

goober

[wraith marsh]

(like not in a rude way or anything)

[upbeat sail]

all that means if they can actually hit with them

[wicked solstice]

It’s more just that I like the feel of the guns

Tbh

[gusty burrow]

Client double headshot, it'll be perfect trust

[wicked solstice]

AR feels super snappy and responsivr

Fast reload

Great ads’ed and hipfired

Feels nice man

[wraith marsh]

yea feel is good, that is something I cannot speak on since like I said im not an auto fan in any shooter

[upbeat sail]

I am in every shooter

[wicked solstice]

MG is just chunky ar to me, feels great to recoil control it and just mow down into a wave

[thick temple]

for me it's like
my aim is bad enough that i know i wouldn't reliably hit headshots
so i feel like i'm wasting less with hitting body shots on autos
(plus i just, like autos more anyway, but still)

[wicked solstice]

It’s why I stopped using burst cannon

I hate the feel of 3 burst

[blissful dome]

oh comon

its not that bad

[hasty quarry]

better than 5

[wicked solstice]

Yeah it’s better, I just dislike it

[upbeat sail]

I hated the feel of the 5 burst but 3 feels like its not fighting me

[wraith marsh]

this is why I am curious, because body shots on semis are normally equivelant or better

[blissful dome]

honestly why dont they give the automatics select fire

it would be funny

[wraith marsh]

both "need" headshots, if anything autos are harder since you need to hit multiple

[hasty quarry]

built different

[wraith marsh]

hence why I say they are objectively worse

typically auto breakpoints are TOTAL dogshit

completely unrealistic, especially without waste

[blissful dome]

helpp breakpoint

[wicked solstice]

Mmmm

[upbeat sail]

im hoping they do that in their next game

[blissful dome]

</3

[wicked solstice]

Yeah that’s why I changed AR in occlusion

Gave it 1 + 5 and 2 + 3

I think

[mystic moss]

i always saw autos as trading dmg/efficiency for ease of use

[wicked solstice]

basically

[blissful dome]

^

tbf though

[wraith marsh]

that is exactly why I say autos are objectively worse

[blissful dome]

carbine

[wraith marsh]

because you DONT trade that

ppl just think you do

[blissful dome]

carbine is very easy to use

and its

just better

[wicked solstice]

i mean like

[mystic moss]

which is fine, but if you invest a microcosm of skill into semis, you just get way more value

[wraith marsh]

its kinda like why hel weapons are so op

they dont trade anything for hel properties

[wicked solstice]

Yeah

[manic walrus]

@gloomy drum @north cargo internet went out

[wicked solstice]

Or you just like the autos more

in terms of feel

I swap betwen AR, Hel Revo, Hel shottie, Burst Rifle, SMG, Sawed off, etc

[thick temple]

dmr, rifle, dtr, pistol, and hel revo (obv without pen) get less kills per refill than every auto except helpp with body shots only
not by a whole but, but they do

[wicked solstice]

I just like the feel of certain guns

[hasty quarry]

you alone have opened my eyes to the hel shotty

[upbeat sail]

hel shotty is the best primary

[blissful dome]

where helpp

[wicked solstice]

that too

[blissful dome]

<3

[wicked solstice]

gotta love my hel pp

[blissful dome]

gotta love pp

sorry

[wraith marsh]

ye but you arent going to have waste nearly as often and you also get 1 shot stagger on most of them

which 1 shot stagger is VERY valuable

[upbeat sail]

what do you mean by waste

[wraith marsh]

shooting an extra bullet or 2

its an auto weapon

youre shooting 10 bullets into each enemy

[wicked solstice]

only auto’s I don’t really vibe with are current Bullpup (reload sadge) and hsmg(feels weird)

[wraith marsh]

chances are you shoot 11+ by accident

[thick temple]

i'm host and can manage to control my shots pretty alright with that

[wicked solstice]

I love bullpup tho, when it isn’t bad

[thick temple]

plus i think i have a mental thing with semis

[upbeat sail]

thats not really an issue in practice unless your just mindlessly magdumping everything

[gusty burrow]

Whoa whoa whoa, HEL Gun gets 15% less ammo than Revolver.

(And only gets 14% more damage per shot, giving it the 15 damage breakpoint, and a 50% bigger clip)

[thick temple]

get in my own head more and try too hard to be precise and just miss more

[wraith marsh]

I think if we did some actual like

[mystic moss]

you can just wait for when enemies run in a straight line

[wraith marsh]

performance comparison

you would not find yourself doing any worse with a semi equivelant

[mystic moss]

a lot of the aim requirements for the game can be mitigated just by waiting for a proper animation

[hasty quarry]

i think this would depend on brain capacity. semi users have been known to have more grey matter

[blissful dome]

tbf if it feels worse youre not gonna have as much fun playing right

[mystic moss]

like you can shoot strafing strikers if you want, but it's just better to wait for tongue animation or whatever

[blissful dome]

and yk

atp

[upbeat sail]

why would you ever wait to shoot something unless your using a shotgun

[wicked solstice]

Honestly, it’s just a feel thing imo

I just like the feel

[wraith marsh]

woah woah my brains plenty pink

I think

[wicked solstice]

And I use semi’s too

[wraith marsh]

and feel is fine!

[blissful dome]

hm

[wraith marsh]

but thats not the point

[thick temple]

then i'll put it like this: i feel like i would waste more with a semi, on top of preferring autos anyway

[wicked solstice]

yeah lol

i waste ammo

What about it?

[hasty quarry]

as long as you can make it to extract reliably, go nuts but can you really reliably make it to extract with pistol

[unreal crystal]

With just

Normal pistol?

[mystic moss]

wake up babe new challenge category

[blissful dome]

if it feels worse it wont feel good playing the game and... its a game, yk, youre playing it for fun

[unreal crystal]

why is pistol catching strays

[wraith marsh]

I feel like ive failed to convey what im trying to say somewhere

[blissful dome]

havent we all

[unreal crystal]

These mfers weren’t around for og r5

[wicked solstice]

dw this is gtfo chat

[unreal crystal]

that gun was great

[upbeat sail]

you sure you havent just stared at spreadsheets too long

[wicked solstice]

We’re all lost here

[upbeat sail]

or bored

[blissful dome]

gtfo chat this month is scary

[hasty quarry]

I think I get where dude is coming from

i think he is saying auto weapons are objectively worse on paper

[wraith marsh]

not even that tbh

I think they are objectively worse in practice simply due to being harder to use

[thick temple]

my point i was trying to get across with my last message was, i acknowledge that you're probably right that i'm not really wasting any less than i would with a precision, i choose autos because i feel like i would, on top of enjoying them more

[wraith marsh]

ok jarhead got it, so I didnt fail then

[wicked solstice]

mission success

[blissful dome]

<3

gtfo chat being positive for once this month

i love it

[outer lantern]

How are autos harder to use what

[thick temple]

need more headshots to be max efficient

[wicked solstice]

Yeah

[blissful dome]

they are

[hasty quarry]

wdym

[blissful dome]

:/

[wraith marsh]

let me try to sum up by saying: I think if ppl who think they would perform worse with a semi actually did some objective form of evaluation they would not find they actually perform worse

[upbeat sail]

gtfo chat being positive is disturbing its suppose to be an argument cesspit

[blissful dome]

[wicked solstice]

This was me

[outer lantern]

When a certain someone isn’t here.. it’s calm

[unreal crystal]

It’s just a mental thing

[wicked solstice]

I avoided hel revo for a long time because I thought I was shit at headshots

[upbeat sail]

which semi

[wicked solstice]

Spoiler: I am

But I’m less shit than I thought I was

[blissful dome]

i mean thats not gonna change how itl feel for them to play semis though

[outer lantern]

Have you tried backshots

[wicked solstice]

And was able to be efficient (moderately)

[blissful dome]

<3

[wraith marsh]

any of them tbh

[blissful dome]

we can~

sorry

[upbeat sail]

because I only outright hate ones like rifle/dmr/precisionrifle

[wicked solstice]

hel revo and hel gun were my big ones

[wraith marsh]

though we are kind of

in context of mains rn

[wicked solstice]

And PR

[wraith marsh]

so we'll say swap from like

idk heavy smg to regular pistol

[wicked solstice]

Yeah

[wraith marsh]

since we seem to like talking about pistol

[jade dirge]

hey stormer, why do osme folks keep a ruler under their pillow

[upbeat sail]

the pistols and hel guns are fine

[unreal crystal]

what

[gusty burrow]

To summarize:

Miss bullet with semi, me feel bad
Miss bullet with auto, me no feel bad

Hit body with semi, me feel bad
Hit body with auto, me no feel bad

But in reality, miss same amount bullet with both

[blissful dome]

hel guns are fine?

[upbeat sail]

did you get your hands on a joke book or something

[jade dirge]

no

[blissful dome]

real

[wraith marsh]

exactly

[jade dirge]

i just saw it on shorts and stole it, do you already know this one?

[wicked solstice]

Tru spitting facts

[wraith marsh]

in my opinion, it is placebo (which nothing wrong with that)

[high orchid]

think they mean hel type guns

[wraith marsh]

feel is always valid, every gun IS viable

[upbeat sail]

dont read into the word fine too much I just meant I can use hel gun/rifle/revolver without issue

[wraith marsh]

but as I said as the preface to this

if we go off that we dont need to be talking rn

[upbeat sail]

sniper

[wicked solstice]

yeah lol

[blissful dome]

ah

[blissful dome]

i wonder if anyone thinks the short rifle feels good

[wraith marsh]

rest in piece my brother

✊

ive heard some ppl

[blissful dome]

hm

[mystic moss]

unironically i think it feels good when you spam into a line of strikers

[wraith marsh]

in daks rundown they gave it stagger back and it feels p good then

[blissful dome]

the

vanilla

short rifle with stagger isnt the same

[wraith marsh]

that is indeed why I qualified it

[wicked solstice]

:) glad you like it

[blissful dome]

<3

[upbeat sail]

it works fine just it will fuck up your hand using it

[wraith marsh]

I think artek said he thought it felt fine?

might be misremembering

[upbeat sail]

you have to spam click the thing and I hate it

[mystic moss]

that's what makes it fun tbh

[jade dirge]

i dont like hte look of short rifle

[upbeat sail]

I dont find hand cramps fun

[blissful dome]

rifle srifle bouta give me arthritis

[upbeat sail]

lol

[jade dirge]

it has the same tumor rifle has, and regardless of frame it never leaves

[blissful dome]

tbh though im used to games with spammable semis

[wraith marsh]

I dont think ive used it for a long enough period of time to hurt my hand

[unreal crystal]

It feels good but I don’t think short rifle IS good

[blissful dome]

its not

surprise there

[wraith marsh]

but I think my hand would probably start hurting from melee combat before it hurt from short rifle

[unreal crystal]

it felt great using it on r4e1 reactor hold

[mystic moss]

hitting 180 flicks with hammer goes hard

[upbeat sail]

why melee combat is holding and releasing not spam clicking

[wraith marsh]

mouse movement

wrist

not fingers

[blissful dome]

attempting to fracture wrist <3

[upbeat sail]

tbh I never have wrist issues

[unreal crystal]

I do :D

[wraith marsh]

I do if I play for like 3-4+ hours

[upbeat sail]

well kinda the steam deck ironically will make you want to put it down but by the time that kicks in the battery has died

[wraith marsh]

or like 2 hours of really loud heavy levels

[upbeat sail]

***other games not this one

[mystic moss]

og gtfo when i had to circle kite for 20 minutes straight and hammer the surge wave to death

[wraith marsh]

gtfo_pro killed my hands

[blissful dome]

take a break 🗣️

[mystic moss]

3-4 hours of gtfo is like 2 levels

[blissful dome]

hm

[upbeat sail]

or 1 if your new

[wraith marsh]

1 r5d1 🤮

[wicked solstice]

I am never going back to that level

[upbeat sail]

remake it but worse in your rundown

[blissful dome]

r5 levels are a bit funny sometimes

[wraith marsh]

I did last night and it still took 1:40

[wicked solstice]

no

[upbeat sail]

make it 5 times as long please

[blissful dome]

how long does r7c2 take?

[wicked solstice]

I’m making the most insane reactor shutdown

[upbeat sail]

make people suffer with low fps

[wraith marsh]

r4-5 are fucking crazy man

[wicked solstice]

I have ever cookef

Mfw

[blissful dome]

cookef?

[wraith marsh]

like 45 minutes or smth

[blissful dome]

idts

[blissful dome]

hm

[wicked solstice]

Cooked

[mystic moss]

r7c2 is like 80 minutes

[upbeat sail]

it better be nothing but 500 bridge tilesets with a terminal at each end

[unreal crystal]

The good old days

[wicked solstice]

it uhh, is gonna be something

[blissful dome]

this 🗣️

[upbeat sail]

I need desert bus gtfo edition

[outer lantern]

Real

Oh my god real

GTFO needs a rogue like mode

[wicked solstice]

Imagine if R1D1 and R7D2 and R6D1 had a kid that did crack

[blissful dome]

dak you need to cook

[wicked solstice]

that

That is my E3

[upbeat sail]

how contaminated is said crack

[wicked solstice]

uhhhh

[blissful dome]

much

[wicked solstice]

Not very tbh

Idk

[blissful dome]

:/

[upbeat sail]

ok so your just making people do r1d1 with respawn tank rooms got it

[blissful dome]

how

[outer lantern]

It does

[blissful dome]

but

how

[outer lantern]

Based

[wraith marsh]

rogue like enjoyers when I add a checkpoint to r1a1

[blissful dome]

best checkpoint

[wicked solstice]

it’s basically a level where 3 alarms get insta pulled and you have 30 minutes to complete the alarms, do some other shit, and then GTFO. If you don’t manage to complete it before 30 min, you die

[blissful dome]

helped me beat the level

[upbeat sail]

what kills you

[blissful dome]

clutch checkpoint cancel

[wicked solstice]

|| the warden ||

[glad hazel]

:OOO

[blissful dome]

hm

[wicked solstice]

Spoiling for people who care ab occy story

[blissful dome]

<3

[wicked solstice]

Because it’s an E2 spoiler

[bright pier]

how do i prevent chargers from spawning in the hsu room in r3c1

[wicked solstice]

|| pulls your cortex interface out ||

[upbeat sail]

ngl I didnt know it had a story when I went through half of it with vanilla bots

[wicked solstice]

yeah

[blissful dome]

l

[wicked solstice]

It probably didn’t then

[upbeat sail]

it was awhile ago so probably

[wicked solstice]

Story really kicks on in like D3/4

[thick temple]

thank you for your consideration because i do lol

[wicked solstice]

:3 glad I did

[blissful dome]

why does their gaming status say 3/3

wtf

[thick temple]

at least, i do insofar as i will care when i get around to it

[outer lantern]

Spoilers: the warden ||is a homosexual robot named Phil who is also bipolar||

[blissful dome]

<3

[wicked solstice]

but yeah, E3 ain’t out yet

[upbeat sail]

this is oddly specific are you ok

[upbeat sail]

F1 when

[wicked solstice]

My second rundown

[blissful dome]

clearly no lmao

[blissful dome]

h22 when

[upbeat sail]

I demand it start with a phantom error surge in full darkness and piss fog

then have a deaf player playtest it

[wicked solstice]

I mean

The level is going to be built to be evil

So uhh

Maybe

:)

[upbeat sail]

:)

[blissful dome]

when are you gonna combine every connected r8 level into one level dak

🙏

[wicked solstice]

Never

[blissful dome]

<3

[wicked solstice]

Because I’d have to put C1 in

[blissful dome]

:C

[mellow hedge]

lol

[wicked solstice]

if I were to ever do that

[upbeat sail]

someone can probably do that just it would tank the fps to near unplayable levels

[blissful dome]

yk what

no

thats fair

[wicked solstice]

I’d do it with A1, A2, D1, D2

[outer lantern]

Dak can you make a modded level that’s just the uplink room from r8c1 repeated but vertically?

[wicked solstice]

Because those connect really well

[outer lantern]

Call it Uppies

[unreal crystal]

I doubt most people would even be able to load that

[blissful dome]

youre terrible

[wicked solstice]

actually not unlike an idea my friend had

[wicked solstice]

Yeah

The other issue

Loading lmao

[outer lantern]

I love that level tbh

[upbeat sail]

someone would be masochistic enough to do it

[outer lantern]

Just load 3-4 floors at a time smh

[blissful dome]

get a better gaming chair smh

[unreal crystal]

Fireblade struggled to run a samdown level and he’s got a good pc iirc

[outer lantern]

I’d be able to load it

I’ve got a nutty pc

[wicked solstice]

that’s partly due to some of sams tiles

[upbeat sail]

your 4090 is going to catch fire

[unreal crystal]

Ye

[burnt flume]

there's some crazy modded tiles out there

[wicked solstice]

there’s one tile of his that dropped my D2’s frame rate by like 50

Just one

[outer lantern]

Idk I rarely drop frames in gtfo

[wicked solstice]

Idfk why

[blissful dome]

💀

[outer lantern]

Like, only in loading screens basically

[burnt flume]

I can't remember what it was but I think AMA_Dan had some beautiful ones in an og r6 mod I want to say

[unreal crystal]

but still that many gardens tiles

[outer lantern]

I play in 75fps

[unreal crystal]

That’s gonna nuke ur pc to high heaven

[wicked solstice]

Yeah

[upbeat sail]

because the levels are designed normally

[wicked solstice]

Gardens would uhhh

Not be friendly

[unreal crystal]

you need a nasa supercomputer to survive that

[upbeat sail]

imagine the entirety of gtaVs map loaded at once inside gtfo

[blissful dome]

make r8 connected but replace everything with gardens

[wicked solstice]

Altho they definitely got smoothed out between R6 alt and R8

They absolutely run better

[unreal crystal]

have they

I’ve really not noticed

[wicked solstice]

My C2 only took 4 minutes to load instead of 7

[unreal crystal]

LOL

[upbeat sail]

is r7 still a lagfest

[blissful dome]

mh

[unreal crystal]

ok good enough

[wicked solstice]

Joking, more like 2 minutes instead of 3

[outer lantern]

??? Your c2 as in a modded level?

[wicked solstice]

But yeah

[unreal crystal]

Dak what’s ur hardest level

[wicked solstice]

They got better

[rose nova]

only the garden levels should lag

b1 and specially d1

[wicked solstice]

E1 death run

Which was beaten for the first time today

[upbeat sail]

yes im talking about d1

[unreal crystal]

Aight

[wicked solstice]

Death run is a specific run that makes the level way harder than it’s supposed to be

[upbeat sail]

because when I did that originally a friend had a bootleg chinese ssd and he made the loading take like 15 minutes for everyone

[blissful dome]

:/

[wicked solstice]

Took a crew like 9 days of repeated attempts to beat the death run iirc

[upbeat sail]

when he wasnt there it took like 45 seconds

[blissful dome]

jeez

[wicked solstice]

Idk they could’ve been going for longer

Yeah E2 and E3 will not be harder than E1PE

For… obvious reasons

[unreal crystal]

I’ll assemble a team sometime and do it

[wicked solstice]

If you want to try the death run, lmk and I’ll explain how to make the level stupid hard

[analog flicker]

Booo

[upbeat sail]

out of random curiosity do you complete them yourself or just hope its possible

[analog flicker]

More BBT

[wicked solstice]

Lol :3

[analog flicker]

[unreal crystal]

Sure

[upbeat sail]

lmao

[wicked solstice]

I wish I was that good

i have beaten everything except D4PE, E1PE, and E2

I did D4 main

But everything else I’ve full cleared

[blissful dome]

do gtfo devs beat their own levels

just asking

[wicked solstice]

It’s just hard to find teams + time

[mystic moss]

i think it's the bug hunters who do all the level testing iirc

[blissful dome]

so they didnt do e2

got it

[rose nova]

i believe they do complete em, at least a group of em but also bug testers do most of that

they probs did complete e2 but it was hard for em

[wicked solstice]

uhh

[rose nova]

if i had to guess

[blissful dome]

no cause its buggy as hell

[wicked solstice]

I highly doubt that

[upbeat sail]

I know they used to but idk if they did for r8 with the focused shifted

[rose nova]

e2?

[blissful dome]

yea

the audio

and all

[rose nova]

i havent encounter anything

[blissful dome]

:/

[upbeat sail]

at least one of them probably did though

[wicked solstice]

Also R8’s a lot harder than other rundowns

[blissful dome]

thats true

isnt it mostly just e2 though

the rest seemed

fine

[upbeat sail]

well the final stretch of it is

[rose nova]

e2 and d2

and b4

when it wasnt nerfed

[blissful dome]

oh right

b4 sec

was funny

[upbeat sail]

I despise

[wicked solstice]

And C2 tbh

[upbeat sail]

having to do b4 extraction 2 man

[wicked solstice]

Less hard than tbose

[blissful dome]

eh c2 seems fine

idk

[wicked solstice]

But C2 is just GAS

[blissful dome]

lmao

[unreal crystal]

gas

[wicked solstice]

that is a fire level

All the way through

[blissful dome]

🗣️

[burnt flume]

I just cleared c2

cool mission but playing with packet loss where half your shots/resource packs disappear is not fun

[wicked solstice]

whaddya think

[wicked solstice]

Skill issue

[blissful dome]

ough

get a better gaming chair

smh

[burnt flume]

so fucking awful

[wicked solstice]

honestly based level tho

I fucking love C2

[blissful dome]

its nice

[upbeat sail]

go sneak into a US military base and use their wifi for a better connection

[wicked solstice]

Hell I might run it when I finish watching SotU

[blissful dome]

^

[wraith marsh]

its a good level

[burnt flume]

my connection aint the problem chief

[wicked solstice]

pachi’s british

Rip

[burnt flume]

it was host, and another player in the lobby had the same problem throughout the mission

[wicked solstice]

Was it mako

[upbeat sail]

they still have them there

:)

or at least one

[blissful dome]

hm

[burnt flume]

Yes

[wicked solstice]

Go figure

Ohio wifi

[blissful dome]

lmao kaiser is still afk in call

he defo konked out

no chance

[wicked solstice]

NO HE WOKE UP

[unreal crystal]

is mako good at the game yet

[wicked solstice]

LOOK AT GEN CHAT

[blissful dome]

LMAO

[jade dirge]

whats going on in gen chat

[upbeat sail]

dak abuse your mod powers to move him into general 2 to make sure hes awake

[wicked solstice]

Why is he AWAKE

[burnt flume]

I mean he clutched a 3 down but the gameplay has lots of room for improvement

[blissful dome]

x 1 blocked message -- Show message

should i do it

[wicked solstice]

No

[blissful dome]

ok

<3

ty

[wicked solstice]

That ruins the point

[outer lantern]

I’m making orange chicken

[blissful dome]

saving me from myself

[wicked solstice]

Of blocking someone

[upbeat sail]

do it its really normal

[blissful dome]

no

[blissful dome]

you hate me :C

[burnt flume]

So do the stream redeems, being stuck birdwatching in a room with 2 c scouts isn't fun because bio got disabled for 10 mins (slendi, please never do that again)

[blissful dome]

still afk though

idk why

[blissful dome]

slendi bio moment

[wicked solstice]

Kek

[burnt flume]

this also checks out with sleepy's connection

[wicked solstice]

We love slendi

[blissful dome]

@rose nova </3

[unreal crystal]

the stream redeems are pretty cringe ngl

[burnt flume]

ohians with bad connection

[blissful dome]

real

[wicked solstice]

When do I get a redeem to make you duo R4C2PE

[unreal crystal]

never

i need more redeems tho

[wicked solstice]

Damn

[unreal crystal]

i needed to make a

we go deeper one

for r8e2

[burnt flume]

ok gerz

[wicked solstice]

Yeah, make some for GTFO

[unreal crystal]

where we trigger scouts and just

[burnt flume]

but would you do it for £50

[unreal crystal]

hold w

yes

i would

[rose nova]

aww :3

[blissful dome]

<3

[burnt flume]

the price has been set.

[rose nova]

why do u ping me bitch

[wicked solstice]

No not you

[rose nova]

:[

[blissful dome]

:C

[rose nova]

not u

ur fine

pat

[blissful dome]

mki

<3

[burnt flume]

fuuuuck I have a lab in 8 hours and I need to sleep and shower, damn mako for being so slow

[blissful dome]

rip

[upbeat sail]

the halo reach theme is stuck in my head again someone help

[blissful dome]

help

[wicked solstice]

Join

The helldivers

I’ll send the theme

[upbeat sail]

pc cant run it lol

[wicked solstice]

The theme

Not the game

Also damn

That’s sad

[upbeat sail]

kinda but I dont trust the anticheat they use anyway so

not that big of a loss on my end

[blissful dome]

:<

[blissful dome]

someone wanna buy the game for me 🙏

(dont)

[wicked solstice]

I already bought it for one friend

Don’t tempt me

[blissful dome]

damn

[blissful dome]

are we friends :D

[wicked solstice]

Ifo I hate to break it to you but I barely know you

[blissful dome]

im joking <3

[wicked solstice]

Also I already bought it for one other person

But like

I wish I could

It’s so good

[analog flicker]

[blissful dome]

im being judged

[upbeat sail]

go play metal gear solid 5 it has the same movement

[blissful dome]

💀

[upbeat sail]

||thats not a joke they actually have similar movement systems lmao||

[analog flicker]

Me on Metro Exodus

[blissful dome]

metro <3

[analog flicker]

pulls out lighter and notebook

[upbeat sail]

but did you shoot the cave snake

[rough robin]

is there a way to turn off the sidestep

it burns so much stamina and dodges nothing

[high orchid]

that's called a skill issue

[rough robin]

uh huh

[sharp owl]

Dev pls add flamethrower to game🙏

[thick temple]

they won't

[serene berry]

where #Suggestions channel

[mystic moss]

that was such a tragic loss

[sharp owl]

they never added my pulsing neon rainbow pallette for beating every rundown suggestion :(((

[high orchid]

they could've just used the og r6 rewards

[vernal nebula]

glowsticks that pulses neon rainbow instead

[latent palm]

Sleepy E2

Lets go Hanimoon