or the cow mangler? a weapon that would crash servers?
#gtfo-chat
terse swift
little ridge
And IDC how good NMS is now, they just lied their way through it
I mean take this game and sniper melee
It got fixed in a mod very fast and easily
I've no idea how long it took to implement that "revert" change in the game
Because surprise surprise it worked fine until it got introduced
terse swift
i think it's a stupid mentality to think that game developers don't care anymore. game development is incredibly difficult for a very mediocre return on investment. game developers could easily go into different fields and make a LOT more money. passion is what drives anyone to make games, so calling developers lazy is a little silly
upbeat sail
i think it's a stupid mentality to think that game developers don't care anymore...
mine is more their management is incompetent
little ridge
i think it's a stupid mentality to think that game developers don't care anymore...
Nah I dont see much passion in game you'd call "more complex"
terse swift
mine is more their management is incompetent
this is a reasonable take
little ridge
I dont see passion in military shooter number 761
terse swift
I dont see passion in military shooter number 761
CoD games are usually quite polished
near stag
Isnt it full of Programmer notes of them having an absolute mental breakdown over the Code? Lmao
little ridge
If we really want an example of "complex but polished" we can talk about RDR2 or most of the Rockstar's stuff
wispy bluff
A guy constantly shares his modern warfare 9000 adventures on a other discord and dear God every screenshot makes me cringe.
upbeat sail
Isnt it full of Programmer notes of them having an absolute mental breakdown ove...
yeah but thats every valve game
wispy bluff
Indie is the shit these days. Somehow.
upbeat sail
though it was probably a lot worse
upbeat sail
Indie is the shit these days. Somehow.
I think it got oversaturated
wispy bluff
Speaking of which... Hollow Knight! Don't remember having any technical difficulties with that.
terse swift
If we really want an example of "complex but polished" we can talk about RDR2 or...
rdr2 developers were working 100 hour weeks. it should not be encouraged
little ridge
rdr2 developers were working 100 hour weeks. it should not be encouraged
So were the cyberpunk team
wispy bluff
How is that relevant.
terse swift
So were the cyberpunk team
and you think they were lazy because of it?
little ridge
And I also think you're moving the goalposts
terse swift
not really
game development is more complex. people expect more out of games nowadays. this results in one of two things, or both:
crunch
bugs
underdeveloped games
little ridge
They could have released it like 3 months later and it wouldn't change my argument about it being polished and complex one iota
near stag
Speaking of which... Hollow Knight! Don't remember having any technical difficul...
There is a 30 minutes worth of Hollow Knight glitches that are still Not patched 
terse swift
They could have released it like 3 months later and it wouldn't change my argume...
i don't get your point
little ridge
i don't get your point
That games are much more buggy now because of the early access culture hypernormalizing releasing stuff not-tested, together with the paranoia about leaks and whatnot making games much less tested than before
terse swift
That games are much more buggy now because of the early access culture hypernorm...
i don't agree
upbeat sail
That games are much more buggy now because of the early access culture hypernorm...
I think the devs not knowing how most of their program is running is also part of it
junior latch
There is a 30 minutes worth of Hollow Knight glitches that are still Not patched...
Of which most dont matter to normal gameplay
little ridge
Basically, if you think you can get away with a "day one patch" you start further opening the list of shit that's acceptable to release in an unfinished or extremely unpolished state to the public
because "we'll patch it after release, whatever" just incetivized that
terse swift
Basically, if you think you can get away with a "day one patch" you start furthe...
this is a result of overworked developers being given excessive work due to raised expectations out of video games
and being unable to complete it in time
leading to a buggy release and a day 1 patch
little ridge
this is a result of overworked developers being given excessive work due to rais...
Not of more games being more complex then?
terse swift
Not of more games being more complex then?
the "complexity" is due to the raised expectations out of video games
terse swift
I didn't set the deadline, they did.
the publisher did, most of the time
little ridge
the "complexity" is due to the raised expectations out of video games
Nah man, that ain't true
Noone expects the moon out of much of the stuff that comes out
terse swift
that's just not true
little ridge
Most of it is either iteration number 56 of an old game or 4-player-coop-something
upbeat sail
the "complexity" is due to the raised expectations out of video games
I mean if your talking about pleasing stockholders yeah
terse swift
remember that tweet comparing halo infinite and whatever the latest CoD was? based on the fact that one had interactive fruit you could shoot and the other had a texture
people nitpick the shit out of games nowadays
upbeat sail
most of the games that have exploded over the past few years are fairly simple lol
little ridge
Like, just see some of crowbcat's videos
terse swift
crowbcat vids are fucking terrible
wispy bluff
(except resident evil one)
little ridge
Look how much more shit was in old games that modern one forsaken
wispy bluff
(he was wrong in that one)
terse swift
cherrypicked nitpicks on videogames taken out of context
little ridge
crowbcat vids are fucking terrible
I've never used the clown emoji, dont give me a reason 😠
terse swift
crowbcat is arguably one of the bigger contributors to the problem
pointless nitpicks all to argue "new game bad. old game good"
wispy bluff
I wouldn't say pointless.
terse swift
"game buggy sometimes. play older game"
upbeat sail
pointless nitpicks all to argue "new game bad. old game good"
doesnt he just show gameplay and nothing else
wispy bluff
doesnt he just show gameplay and nothing else
Sometimes very specific one, but yes.
Like showing how little environment interaction there is in B4B and how much of is in L4D.
terse swift
the kind of thinking that goes into crowbcat videos is what leads to developers pulling 100 hour weeks all to add dynamic horse nutsack physics
terse swift
it's part of the endless march towards pointless detail and realism
that is actively killing games
upbeat sail
isnt that just rockstar doing that
terse swift
it's part of the reason that racing games as a genre are dead
wispy bluff
Lack of innovation is the reason, not realism.
upbeat sail
it's part of the reason that racing games as a genre are dead
eh that one is probably more because theres not much you can innovate with them
terse swift
Lack of innovation is the reason, not realism.
the lack of innovation is BECAUSE of the expectation of realism
upbeat sail
unless you do weird shit like distance
wispy bluff
I don't see how the two are correlated.
near stag
Imho the Problem is mostly in the Marketing. Corpo promises a Lot of stuff that is hard to make and then Set an unrealistic Deadline for the devs. Months before the Release the devs are then lying that the Game is ready and send Off the half assed Version, and then try to Put as many duct Tape into the first day Patch. ( For example Battlefield 2042 when Marketing Team Said that the Game Dev is ahead of time, even though the Release was a dumpsterfire)
terse swift
the development time on a single car model in gran turismo 7 is MONTHS bigger compared to gran turismo 4
wispy bluff
Racing games are a whole different beast that exists in its own weird world right now.
terse swift
racing games are the most affected
wispy bluff
By which I mean they're lame and shallow.
terse swift
because they're treated as tech demos for a console
they are the epitome of "graphics and detail first, gameplay last"
thats what i mean when i say things are more complex and expectations are raised
games can't be made the way they used to, because people expect a lot more than they ever did
sure, indie games are the occasional exception
but there's thousands of indie games released every day, that no-one will ever play
upbeat sail
most of them are shovelware tbh
terse swift
i don't think thats fair
again, people don't make games for no reason
it's not easy to make money out of game development
upbeat sail
i don't think thats fair
terse swift
whats your point? you're arguing all these games are shovelware?
wispy bluff
I'm still not sold on increased expectations. If anything I'm seeing the opposite - for the love of God just go back to the basics and make a game first.
terse swift
cus this legit looks like a list of decent games
upbeat sail
im saying hover over them and look at how many seem like asset flips or really basic "you make this to learn how to code" games
terse swift
like, none of them lol
upbeat sail
its like half of them on my end
wispy bluff
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Released_DESC&os=win%2Clinux&supp...
Half of them are literally soft port, lmao
upbeat sail
lol
wispy bluff
The other word, that discord blocks.
terse swift
Half of them are literally soft port, lmao
that doesn't mean they're low effort
it's just a market you're not interested in
it was still written by people, drawn by people, coded by people
who obviously had an interest in making it
junior latch
The other word, that discord blocks.
Wait what
terse swift
por ography
wispy bluff
Either way my last piece of opinion / observation on this...
upbeat sail
Half of them are literally soft port, lmao
also note its even worse if you log in and flip the option for the real ones on
upbeat sail
but there's thousands of indie games released every day, that no-one will ever p...
but the entire point is just this number is massively bloated
terse swift
but the entire point is just this number is massively bloated
to you
wispy bluff
Every so often I would play an old classic. Like uh... Dawn of War II. And there's like... A tangible difference I can feel beneath the skin. I guess you could call it a soul, or spirit, I don't now... But it's different. Simpler, yet more... Genuine?
terse swift
thats nostalgia
upbeat sail
thats nostalgia
why does it work for games I never grew up with then lol
wispy bluff
I bought it 2 years ago. Not much to be nostalgic about.
serene jewel
games for fun and not to appease shareholders
terse swift
it's the period, not the game
idk i'm just really sick of seeing people so cynical about game development
shit is REALLY hard
upbeat sail
Every so often I would play an old classic. Like uh... Dawn of War II. And there...
gtfo gives me a similar feeling too
kind fable
i just started GTFO!
distant breach
@lost lynx out dated password?
near stag
<@1107851904911937597> out dated password?
Blasphemy
kind fable
i kinda feel like i might be bored of it after a few weeks
terse swift
there's so many reasons to NOT be a game developer, it's a position often exploited specifically because developers are often in the industry due to their passion
upbeat sail
most people either quit immediatly or get hooked and spend months going through the whole thing
wispy bluff
shit is REALLY hard
No one is disputing that. I still reserve the right to say that game's shit if it's shit, I don't care if it took 10 years of crunch to make it.
kind fable
like palworld
terse swift
No one is disputing that. I still reserve the right to say that game's shit if i...
sure. i don't think it's charitable to say "developers don't care" or "it's early access culture" or whatever
games are just hard to make. harder than they've ever been
upbeat sail
there's so many reasons to NOT be a game developer, it's a position often exploi...
the exploitation is why people are so cynical, its not just the devs getting screwed over, a lot of big companies have people whos entire job is to figure out "how far can we push people to give us money without making them leave"
junior latch
shit is REALLY hard
and yet theres a thousand cheap cashgrabs
wispy bluff
sure. i don't think it's charitable to say "developers don't care" or "it's earl...
Those are 100% one of the contributors, but not the only suspects.
upbeat sail
like palworld
I mean did you at least enjoy the time until then
junior latch
its why people prefer indie rn
wispy bluff
It all adds up, like grains in sand.
junior latch
people do it cuz they wanna make smth good more often than in triple A
terse swift
i'm out
upbeat sail
shut vapor
i kinda feel like i might be bored of it after a few weeks
Depends how committed you are to getting through all 80 missions
near stag
Depends on whether you have Friends or not
crude bay
Depends on whether you have Friends or not
gilded igloo
Depends on whether you have Friends or not
This is the kicker
You can't go it alone
crude bay
You can solo , but its just harder
gilded igloo
And requires cheese in a lot of cases
crude bay
Doesnt have to
near stag
You can solo , but its just harder
Imho playing with 3 Bots is the Most miserable experience
gilded igloo
...I have a hard time believing that is the case, but mayhaps you're just better than me
crude bay
Imho playing with 3 Bots is the Most miserable experience
I can agree but thats just me ( never play with bots)
Id rather True solo , so no bots.
high orchid
bots are so fucking annoying to deal with I have more fun doing true solo than solo + bots
analog flicker
Imho playing with 3 Bots is the Most miserable experience
Playing with 3 bots and never kicking them out is the miserable experience
gilded igloo
I tried true solo, and I just get swarmed and die. I don't know how to deal with alarms
analog flicker
Depends on tool and gunplay
analog flicker
R1A1 is one of the harder A1 Missions
high orchid
really it's just that one class 4 that makes it hard
high orchid
that is what I assumed we were talking about
analog flicker
If you aren't used to killing a wave alone. Even the class 2 is hard
analog flicker
that is what I assumed we were talking about
My initial comment on it didn't state solo specifically :/
crude bay
R1A1 is one of the harder A1 Missions
R8 A2 hihi
mellow hedge
the class 4 on r1a1 is such a hard scan when you're learning to solo
cfoam launcher moment
with 3 c nades
sharp owl
ur pre much guaranteed to find a mine somewhere
mellow hedge
yep
near stag
Depends on tool and gunplay
I Love R3A3 solo. With good gunplay it is actually very fun
crude bay
🥺
analog flicker
I still have yet to even do A2 main tbf
gilded igloo
Yeah, I was going through rundown 1 for logs, and I noted that R1A1 had a LOT of sleepers in it. Punches were not pulled for their first outing.
Doesn't get too much harder though. Rundown 1 really is like, tutorial GTFO
analog flicker
Sadly new comers will never get the OG experience of these rundowns as they released
gilded igloo
True that. I jumped in around OG Rundown 3. Seeing how people responded to the shifts in design ethos was interesting,
upbeat sail
I mean theres still ways to play the OG ones just idk why you would when its mostly the same thing with different logs
and funky music that was stolen from us
fringe marsh
how many damage do giant do why i lose 100 hp in one attack
grizzled bison
woah!
modern verge
how many damage do giant do why i lose 100 hp in one attack
a strategy for giants if you're using melee is to target their limbs with full charged attacks, back up between attacks because the hitbox for their melee attacks last for a while
if their limbs break, they stagger a bit
something like a hammer or a spear works great
if you can, go far enough away to let them begin charging their ranged attack, hit a limb, repeat
little ridge
If you can, try to hit the limb from behind
grizzled bison
im sick of seeing these pubs melee giants from the fornt 😡
mellow hedge
fornt
hybrid cloak
forsty
visual escarp
how many damage do giant do why i lose 100 hp in one attack
bcause your teammate shooting you in the back with a shotgun
fringe marsh
do friendly fire do the same damage?
hybrid cloak
half the dmg of the gun
vernal moon
I think I joined GTFO back when it was in r4 or r5
ornate rune
gilded igloo
something like a hammer or a spear works great
Bat can crush the limbs in one hit as well, the range is just smaller, so you're more at risk. Faster though
rose nova
I think I joined GTFO back when it was in r4 or r5
hello
u got so much stuff to see :O
so many guns so much stuff ksmdkm
lusty river
do friendly fire do the same damage?
2x damage. Example is sniper sentry deals 48 per round, 2x that’s 96, basically a one shot
broken citrus
2x damage. Example is sniper sentry deals 48 per round, 2x that’s 96, basically ...
HOLY REALLY? I THOUGHT IT DID THE SAME
no wonder friendly fire from snipers always kill me
junior latch
Bat can crush the limbs in one hit as well, the range is just smaller, so you're...
needs to be from behind tho (same for knife) so eh
gilded igloo
I see. I'm usually behind when I start smacking anywhoo.
Didn't think about the back crit damage
rose nova
hi chatter
hybrid cloak
jelly
rose nova
they would ddt my ass real quick
hybrid cloak
gotta work on your skills smh
quasi pine
i will scream into your ear as bishop
hybrid cloak
ARRRRGGHHHHHH
rose nova
dies
vernal moon
I like dauda’s accent
hybrid cloak
alota monstas
wispy bluff
You know what... Burst pistol might not be too bad these days.
vernal moon
I still like my heavy smg
wispy bluff
Apparently you need 2 whole less trigger pulls to kill a charger than with the sibling. A small thing, but neat to know.
vernal moon
Nice
wispy bluff
Also the range buff to 10m might help a lot with medium range engagement.
vale arrow
I like my DMR
rose nova
if DPS means what i think it means
probs sniper just cause pew pew high dmg
wiki says its 50
wispy bluff
Damage per second
vale arrow
Damage per second
rose nova
but the easiest weapon to handle, probs some very low recoil auto that only needs bodyshots
vale arrow
Not shot
rose nova
like uhh arbalist
vale arrow
Although to be fair
rose nova
Damage per second
wiki says 50 idk
i thought sniper was 40 dmg but maybs the speed of it? i have no idea
vale arrow
Sniper has a quick trigger pull
wispy bluff
Among mains its most certainly HEL Shotgun, with probably machine pistol and Carbine being close seconds
vale arrow
What I want to know
rose nova
wait burst cannon 366 DAMMIT KSMDKM
i keep finding more
ok probs top ts burst cannon
ykno?
gilded igloo
Scattergun angry
rose nova
scattegun got played
wispy bluff
Among specials it's uh... Either bursts Cannon, scattergun or choke mode.
vale arrow
I like choke shotgun
gilded igloo
That's me gun of choice
rose nova
ive been runnin with it lately i missed it
wispy bluff
30 x hair trigger is pretty insane.
vale arrow
Choke is pretty good
rose nova
it goes wee
blissful dome
R1b1 is easier
wispy bluff
I heard R3B1 is easy for the achievement?
What? R1B1 is the way.
modern verge
r1b1 has the potential to not have a single alarm required iirc
wispy bluff
Based on how you play you only have to do one class 2 alarm and then just stealth for a while, occasionally going loud.
modern verge
not only do you not need to fire a shot, its possible to go pacifist
but i've gotten the seed for that once
wispy bluff
Not sure about that.
modern verge
possible im remembering wrong as its been a while
gilded igloo
I dunno if pacifist counts if there's an alarm
modern verge
around the time R1 got re-released
wispy bluff
Yeah, the alarm is mandatory unless something breaks.
modern verge
I dunno if pacifist counts if there's an alarm
yes thats why i said that after saying it may be possible alarmless
vale arrow
Alrighty
gilded igloo
I don't think that level is possible alarmless, I've played it relatively recently.
modern verge
its possible im remembering something wrong, or something broke, a guy was running modded
gilded igloo
Three doors, one is free, the other needs a keycard, and the keycard is behind the alarm door
So I think you can find like 5-6 PIDs before the alarm becomes mandatory
blissful dome
:/
wispy bluff
Maybe + melee damage instead. Like 50% of it.
vale arrow
I was at the end of a run when I failed a final hack and got swarmed by 7 brutes
gilded igloo
What?
vale arrow
Maybe + melee damage instead. Like 50% of it.
Wish I had melee damage
I have main damage
neon fulcrum
if you speak with in-game vc does it alert the sleepers?
vale arrow
No
crude bay
Naah
wispy bluff
No, it's a myth.
gilded igloo
if you speak with in-game vc does it alert the sleepers?
That would be cooler
vale arrow
I feel like it should tho lol
mellow hedge
Just played R3D1 for 8 hours straight 😵💫
wispy bluff
If you don't go for class 4 - you'll have to fight some giants and probably pull some rooms. Can't have sentry sleeping in duty.
wispy bluff
Just played R3D1 for 8 hours straight 😵💫
Dafaq
Don't remember checkpoints on that level...
gilded igloo
Speedrunning?
mellow hedge
Doing bulk runs to get to triple didgets
And a bit of speedrunning
got a 13
which is alright
blissful dome
Doing bulk runs to get to triple didgets
oh god
pine root
Just played R3D1 for 8 hours straight 😵💫
Just like Beth
mellow hedge
Nope
mellow hedge
Fair
quartz cape
Hop on the r2d1 grind
mellow hedge
Bulk R4E1 runs now 😈
vale arrow
What's R3D1
mellow hedge
What's R3D1
Last level in rundown 3
wispy bluff
High action start, surprise for the finale
mellow hedge
We were doing around 15 minute runs for most
blissful dome
High action start, surprise for the finale
"surprise"
mellow hedge
But getting 389 key seems to be the rarest thing ever
pine root
But getting 389 key seems to be the rarest thing ever
It is equal rng
mellow hedge
It is equal rng
Not for us apparently lmao
pine root
You just unlucky
mellow hedge
Yep
mellow hedge
389 key?
Basically the key for a door you have to go through can either spawn in zone 389 or 390, 389 is faster
wraith marsh
speed da shit up
vale arrow
Should I do the alarm 2 early so I don't have to deal with it later when I potentially have low heakth
gilded igloo
That's what I'd do
You also only have to worry about the enemies coming from one way
wraith marsh
Should I do the alarm 2 early so I don't have to deal with it later when I poten...
you have 2 choices
you can do it immediately so they funnel down the ladder (but you have a 1 room spawn)
vale arrow
I fucking pissed off the scout-
wraith marsh
or you open scout zone and let them spawn 2 rooms away
vale arrow
Where do they spawn?
wraith marsh
(would recommend doing it after opening the first/scout zone)
vale arrow
I missed another dude's head
scenic venture
Hi cuties
scenic venture
(would recommend doing it after opening the first/scout zone)
This is the better option cuz you will have finished the alarm sequencies before they enter the room
mellow hedge
Wsg
wraith marsh
This is the better option cuz you will have finished the alarm sequencies before...
yeah its much better
unless youre trying to be cheesy I dont think you ever dont open it first
mellow hedge
I used to do solo runs the other way lmao
scenic venture
I used to do solo runs the other way lmao
First the alarm? Yeah same thats the way i did i my first time solo
But i beat it more consistently solo by doing scout zone first
mellow hedge
Yeah that level is kinda boring tho'
wraith marsh
You really need to play more levels
scenic venture
I do
But r1c2 is one of my fav levels bc it introduces you to chargers in a chill way
And its prob my dream goal in this game to solo it once
wild thunder
Good luck on that
sharp owl
You can
It's not exceedingly difficult but it is exceedingly time consuming
The strat is to spam mines using all the tool refill on the entire map
And it works
scenic venture
The strat is to spam mines using all the tool refill on the entire map
Yeah i figured
scenic venture
First alarm door is kinda consistent for me, dont know if my loadout, carbine and shotty (buckland) works
vale arrow
Well I lost my hack
scenic venture
At the last scan you'll have around 15 mines
Never made it to there so far haha, i always die by giants cuz i fail to melee them
sharp owl
Don't risk that
wild thunder
What melee are you using ?
scenic venture
Need to get consistent st that
sharp owl
Just shoot them
scenic venture
What melee are you using ?
Hammer
wild thunder
ah
sharp owl
It's hard to be completely consistent
scenic venture
Hammer is tricky sometimes
wild thunder
another player told me the spear is probably the easiest
sharp owl
There is enough ammo just shoot
You won't use it on alarm anyway
Cuz of the ridiculous mine spam
scenic venture
W spear i can consistently kill them, but i dont like it when it comes to a lot of sleepers
scenic venture
Cuz of the ridiculous mine spam
Fair point
wild thunder
I mean yeah it's slow
sharp owl
Yeah don't be a perfectionist about it
If you don't have to kill them don't
If you have to then shoot
scenic venture
If you have to then shoot
Ty!
sharp owl
Losing 80 hp because you didn't wanna use 1 high cal bullet is stupid
little ridge
A good thing about solo is that res are plenty and rarely the problem
scenic venture
I hope i can do it
scenic venture
A good thing about solo is that res are plenty and rarely the problem
Its mostly that i get swarmed or overwhelmed by enemies
vale arrow
I'm getting angry too easily at this 1b run
wild thunder
you got this
sharp owl
R1b1?
vale arrow
Far too angry far too quickly lmfao
wild thunder
take it slower ?
vale arrow
Would hammer work better than spear
vale arrow
take it slower ?
That's the part that's pissing me off
wild thunder
I see
sharp owl
Learn how aggro works and walk stealth it
vale arrow
I try to go slow but something wakes up lmfao
sharp owl
Hit occi on everything
wild thunder
Learn how aggro works and walk stealth it
what do you mean "walk stealth" ?
opaque folio
I try to go slow but something wakes up lmfao
You need to understand properly how aggro work's
little ridge
what do you mean "walk stealth" ?
Red light, Green light, but you're Darth Vader
vale arrow
You need to understand properly how aggro work's
I don't know how close I can be
sharp owl
what do you mean "walk stealth" ?
Don't bother crouching, just walk up to things and sledge em
wild thunder
You can do that ?
sharp owl
Yeah
blissful dome
You can do that ?
ofc
sharp owl
The timing is tight
quasi pine
yes
blissful dome
dont even bother walking
sharp owl
But you can just do that
blissful dome
just kite
wild thunder
Learned something new today
blissful dome
Wake up everything and kite and just win the game
ong
just kite the room and kill it
simple
sharp owl
Go on r7e1 and have someone on r7a1 long kite so you don't have enemies
Easy
Easiest clear
little ridge
Enemies need to do the wakeup animation unless being awoken by shit like you touching them directly
opaque folio
I don't know how close I can be
I will really recommend you to watch some guide about stealth because it is little bit tricky for beginners
rose nova
just wake every single enemy on the map and door mine it smh
wild thunder
Oh I'm not that far
little ridge
Wakeup animations take time
sharp owl
Lo
wild thunder
Only on r2
little ridge
So you've time to occi more shit than you think
wild thunder
just a rookie here
blissful dome
you can move as much as you want until they start pulsating
sharp owl
Yeah so you just walk up to them while they're starting to glow
blissful dome
run up to them until they aggro
sharp owl
And you're fast enough to get close and hit em
blissful dome
but that just moves their head into view
blissful dome
gl
sharp owl
It's just a faster way
wild thunder
of course
wild thunder
Well where is the fun without risk ?
sharp owl
Being tacticool
Can be considered low risk fun
Like actively coordinating on a giant instead of a single "charging"
And then meat tenderising
blissful dome
Like hit the limbs ?
yes
blissful dome
no charge needed ?
no
depending on weapon you may need back
but usually above 60% charge
wild thunder
I mostly run hammer
wild thunder
ah
wild thunder
yeah
wild thunder
what if I wanna solo a giant
wild thunder
back then a limb and repeat ?
sharp owl
Full charge head and then do 85ish percent charges to the limbs from behind
vale arrow
Okay hammer gut
blissful dome
and risk of scream
sharp owl
Do not hit him in the center torso please for fucks sake
wild thunder
Yes sir
sharp owl
Makes arms unbreakable
wild thunder
it does ?
sharp owl
It does
blissful dome
what
blissful dome
:\
rose nova
i dont believe it does
sharp owl
Yeah 100%
wild thunder
really ??
blissful dome
elbow spreading misinfo
rose nova
oh the chest
sharp owl
Help help help
rose nova
Breaking the Giant's chest will cause other parts of the body to not break, with the exception of the head.
not the belly
elbow misinfo
blissful dome
:P
sharp owl
I will test when i get home
rose nova
u will b executed in the main hall of town now
blissful dome
i have prepared a guillotine
wild thunder
well thank you for the tips
sharp owl
This is a constant annoyance because some spear user just full charges the torso and then I can't stagger the arms
wild thunder
I'll test them now
blissful dome
This is a constant annoyance because some spear user just full charges the torso...
you could just break neck and continuously headshot
i think sledge has enough stagger to light stagger
just need uh 1.13 seconds of charge
sharp owl
What
blissful dome
wait no
sharp owl
Hammer has 1x stagger
blissful dome
my calculations are off
blissful dome
Hammer has 1x stagger
?
blissful dome
Okay
im also calculating occu shot
well
i think i forgot that part
as long as you can tap occu it should only take
wait
oh this is percent
ok
80% of a charge
itl work
maybe
blissful dome
u still dowjn to help me out
i cant play rn bozo
quasi pine
rip, np
pallid anvil
:3
pallid anvil
GRRRRR
quasi pine
i don't blame you
pallid anvil
I’m in bed with my cats :3
quasi pine
shit's miserable
unreal crystal
Cuernos
pallid anvil
i think you agreed
Ermm girl I did not
earnest flame
hmm, now to figure out how to survive the alert 7 door in R2B1.....
blissful dome
hmm, now to figure out how to survive the alert 7 door in R2B1.....
shoot better
scan faster
:P
quasi pine
always prioritize the scans when you can
earnest flame
shooting is fine, I ran out of ammo xD
blissful dome
shooting is fine, I ran out of ammo xD
Open the res room
rose nova
shooting is fine, I ran out of ammo xD
u probs saw the other class III that has no purpose
blissful dome
Bring mines
earnest flame
with 3 bots, I felt doing loops was best
rose nova
that a resource room
blissful dome
Bring mines so you won't waste resources
rose nova
u can list zones on the terminal to see if they have stuff, like in this case lot of ammo and tool n med
blissful dome
that a resource room
You could help jelly with cuernos, you love the level
rose nova
no
earnest flame
that a resource room
I'll give that a go next
I brought the C-Foam launcher to slow down enemies in my last attempt, which seemed to help
blissful dome
I brought the C-Foam launcher to slow down enemies in my last attempt, which see...
Did you bring mines
rose nova
I brought the C-Foam launcher to slow down enemies in my last attempt, which see...
yeh problem with cfoam is as u open like both paths to get the key, and cause the alarms so long as u have bots, u cant really like perma foam any doors cause u need to scan
blissful dome
For the blood doors
rose nova
so id suggest one mine deployed and two sentries
so u can like cover both sides
burst sentries
rose nova
its fine but it is not ideal either
modern coral
More paths = more doors for them to spawn behind.
rose nova
cause thatll leave an entire side open
earnest flame
arent the mines mostly worthless because they only kill like 1 or 2 enemies at a time?
modern coral
Sentries are kind of extra if you actually shoot well.
rose nova
...
blissful dome
arent the mines mostly worthless because they only kill like 1 or 2 enemies at a...
Clown
rose nova
uhh
blissful dome
Sorry
quasi pine
arent the mines mostly worthless because they only kill like 1 or 2 enemies at a...
who the hell told you this
blissful dome
I had to
earnest flame
that's what I was told when theory crafting for R1C1
rose nova
play with my nuts
quasi pine
mines are crazy
steep scaffold
mines are good
blissful dome
play with my nuts
Ok~
modern coral
that's what I was told when theory crafting for R1C1
R1C1 is a reactor
quasi pine
put them on foamed doors and the entire wave will die instantly
modern coral
Every other alarm tends to have multiple doors
quasi pine
oh yeah they're pretty much worthless for reactor levels
modern coral
which greatly increase mine value.
rose nova
that's what I was told when theory crafting for R1C1
R1C1 in there yes cause u dont have any doors
but when u have doors u can put a mine on the other side of it, let the enemies come through it and itll blow a lot of em
mines out in the open are bad
blissful dome
Quad mine reactor
earnest flame
hmm
rose nova
u oficially got misinformed'd
blissful dome
2 mines per blood door
rose nova
two?
blissful dome
Dead blood door
modern coral
Regular alarms also favor mine+c-foam setups since the next wave is based on when the previous wave dies.
quasi pine
the only reason you'd take mines on reactor levels is to put them high up to chunk giants or hybrids but even then, that's horribly inefficient
rose nova
they wont die to two
modern coral
Vs. reactors, where everything is on a schedule and will just stack up if you don't kill it.
rose nova
use one shoot em twice lol
earnest flame
Im not worried about the giants and hybrids, the hel rifle is doing fine vs them
shut vapor
the only reason you'd take mines on reactor levels is to put them high up to chu...
a fair amount of reactor missions have blood doors :3
blissful dome
use one shoot em twice lol
Boringh
rose nova
skill issue
quasi pine
a fair amount of reactor missions have blood doors :3
the ones i've done haven't had many
rose nova
dont play an fps
quasi pine
that or i'm misremembering
blissful dome
Slendi help jelly istg
rose nova
help my nuts
blissful dome
Ok
earnest flame
ill bring the mine tool in the next attempt
quasi pine
isn't that the first reactor level in the game
rose nova
try puttin em right close to those bad security doors and they should do some work :D
quasi pine
don't bring mines to that
earnest flame
if anything I might also be able use the mines in looping
blissful dome
They're doing r2b1
quasi pine
it's basically an introduction to reactor, you're showered in resources and there's nowhere to put mines
rose nova
whats loopin
earnest flame
have you played COD Zombies?
rose nova
u mean kiting?
earnest flame
same thing really
blissful dome
B1 doesn't need kiting
rose nova
yeah they can be good for that
blissful dome
Just shoot better
rose nova
but as long as u dont have the alarm going
steep scaffold
does anyone remember what kiting was called way back in cod zombies?
quasi pine
you have more than enough ammo
earnest flame
shooting is fine
ran out of ammo doing it
modern coral
does anyone remember what kiting was called way back in cod zombies?
Training.
rose nova
they didnt go res zone so
blissful dome
you have more than enough ammo
Unless you shoot every blood door
earnest flame
ill do the res zone too
quasi pine
Unless you shoot every blood door
i thought we were talking about r1c1
rose nova
mo
rose nova
th
earnest flame
C1 was where I was told mines were worthless
quasi pine
yes they're worthless there
rose nova
on that level yes
on other missions no
earnest flame
working on R2B1 atm
quasi pine
oh ok
blissful dome
They're doing r2b1
@quasi pine
quasi pine
yeah hit the resource room on that level
quasi pine
Better read harder
nein
blissful dome
Nuhuh
earnest flame
when I go to mine a door, where should the mine go?
rose nova
working on R2B1 atm
for the record if u see a door that like doesnt have to do with ur objectve
u can always list it, LIST ZONE_BLA to see if theres somethin worth behind it or u should just leave it alone
modern coral
when I go to mine a door, where should the mine go?
Across it, on your side.
blissful dome
when I go to mine a door, where should the mine go?
Preferably on the sides
quasi pine
jnust have it low enough to hit crawling enemies
if it's a small door if you can get it to point directly at the door you're golden, but not all small doors have that luxury
earnest flame
I wasnt sure if the side would work because of the door pushing inward
but I guess it doesn't block the mine's line of sight then
quasi pine
the range on the mines is plenty for the big doors so you don't need to worry about that too much
blissful dome
Oh yeah I forgot to show the blood door on r4a2
I put so many mines on that thing
One across 4 on each side
quasi pine
is that the one that introduces the ||tank|| or was it the one with the ||mom|| behind it
blissful dome
Another 2 on the bottom and top
blissful dome
is that the one that introduces the ||tank|| or was it the one with the ||mom|| ...
Nope
Just a regular old blood door
quasi pine
oh
rose nova
r4a2... that doesnt have any blood doors
blissful dome
There were probably hybrids on the other side
burnt flume
I can't remember there being a blood door on that mission
rose nova
nope
blissful dome
r4a2... that doesnt have any blood doors
Wait
A3?
Idr
One of the a tiers
The one in overload?
blissful dome
Uum
rose nova
i have no idea
pallid anvil
I can't remember there being a blood door on that mission
Because there are none
burnt flume
yeah a3 has a blood door
blissful dome
Yea
quasi pine
good point, i could do that
unreal crystal
Cuernos
blissful dome
Cuernos
fluid plaza
Is there a way to set up a match to play with my friend?
quasi pine
cuernos? i hardly know her
quasi pine
Then beat it
thanks for the advice
wraith marsh
Np
pallid anvil
R4D1 is :3
quasi pine
i haven't made it far enough to encounter whatever gimmick is in it
is it literally just long reactor waves?
modern coral
R4C3 is kind of a pub-slayer.
quasi pine
r4c3 shouldn't be getting you down too hard surely
i have lost 13 times in the same area with like 8 different groups
quasi pine
even with knowing the layout and strategy of the entire level
unreal crystal
It’s a rough level
burnt flume
yea it is a funny mission that puts you through the grinder
quasi pine
and explaining it incessantly to my teammates
quasi pine
yea it is a funny mission that puts you through the grinder
better than the snoozefest that is r4c2
burnt flume
how many static members are in your group?
quasi pine
how many static members are in your group?
i usually play with the same 2-3 people whenever they're able to play
pallid anvil
R4C3 is kind of a pub-slayer.
^^
burnt flume
hey don't diss r4c2 I use that whenever I need to fall asleep
blissful dome
i usually play with the same 2-3 people whenever they're able to play
Try pubs
burnt flume
but yeah, level is kinda hard and makes people struggle
quasi pine
but they havent been playing much lately so i've had to use pubs
with little success
my last loss pissed me off so badly lol
blissful dome
hey don't diss r4c2 I use that whenever I need to fall asleep
R4C2 main honk mimimi
burnt flume
I suppose you were not getting the quality family run pubs, but the chain restaurant pubs
pallid anvil
hey don't diss r4c2 I use that whenever I need to fall asleep
Me doing R4C2 with a pub :3 , finished main only, someone touches extract scan
quasi pine
yea
blissful dome
Me doing R4C2 with a pub :3 , finished main only, someone touches extract scan
Nooooo
Main only run incoming
quasi pine
raaaaah
it just sucks that i know how to do the entire damn level but i still can't beat it
blissful dome
it just sucks that i know how to do the entire damn level but i still can't beat...
Again
Try pubs
Wait rose
burnt flume
there's some good stuff to know
quasi pine
i have
blissful dome
You agreed right?
pallid anvil
Main only run incoming
GRRRR and it was the person who asked for the level
blissful dome
Yea
blissful dome
GRRRR and it was the person who asked for the level
:3
burnt flume
keep a 4 use ammo on extract for the end of the mission, don't fight the big room of nastiness and multiple doors in a bad position, fall back to a longer sightline
quasi pine
don't force them, it's fine
quasi pine
keep a 4 use ammo on extract for the end of the mission, don't fight the big roo...
we did this in the last run
blissful dome
don't force them, it's fine
It's just banter
quasi pine
everyone had a 4 use ammo on them, all at 100% health
blissful dome
everyone had a 4 use ammo on them, all at 100% health
Well
quasi pine
one of my teammates just made a dumbass move which killed us
blissful dome
Nuhuh
scenic venture
Oh
quasi pine
i am going to eat concrete
blissful dome
Same
scenic venture
Then i havent said anything
blissful dome
Then i havent said anything
Ok.
scenic venture
i am going to eat concrete
What side dish do you recommend
blissful dome
What side dish do you recommend
Rebar
quasi pine
What side dish do you recommend
thumbtacks usually go well with it
maybe caltrops if you're feeling daring
blissful dome
i am going to eat concrete
Try asking for a carry
quasi pine
regardless it's demoralizing as fuck constantly losing an hour and a half into the attempt at the same point every damn time
blissful dome
:3
quasi pine
Try asking for a carry
i don't want that
blissful dome
i don't want that
Isn't that what you asked kaiser for
quasi pine
kaiser couldn't even do it lmao
burnt flume
can't carry, my legs would buckle under the weight because they're sore
blissful dome
:/
blissful dome
can't carry, my legs would buckle under the weight because they're sore
Nuhuh
quasi pine
dumbass opened the wrong door
burnt flume
with all due respect, kaiser is an idiot and not the greatest player by any means
burnt flume
I mean I haven't seen his gameplay, but I know
blissful dome
dumbass opened the wrong door
💀
Kaiser doesn't have enough time to check termi
Very normal
Good playing
quasi pine
i asked for help from him not a carry lol
unreal crystal
what’s the difference
blissful dome
Yea
quasi pine
i don't think there's a single player in the game who can solo r4c3 while the other players sit back and do nothing
unreal crystal
generally it doesn’t
burnt flume
if a player is good enough they'll probably not sandbag themselves
quasi pine
and if there is; i ask them to shower
unreal crystal
ppl have soloed it before
burnt flume
and I mean, as long as no-one self sabotages and can follow instructions you can def solo carry that
quasi pine
burnt flume
no different from playing with 3 bots probably
quasi pine
i would just do it with bots but you can't foam stall properly with bots
burnt flume
just that instead of bots it's human beings who don't respond to commands as well but may have slightly better self preservation instincts
blissful dome
with all due respect, kaiser is an idiot and not the greatest player by any mean...
Ok but like it's c3 it's not absolute hell
In all fairness
burnt flume
still might be the 2nd trickiest level in r4
quasi pine
please tell me #1 is c2
burnt flume
I'd need to think about where it ranks though, definitely near the top
blissful dome
still might be the 2nd trickiest level in r4
Fair
burnt flume
c2 isn't tricky it's just boring
quasi pine
fucjk
vestal crystal
D2 kind of a pub slayer too no?
blissful dome
please tell me #1 is c2
How much cocaine are you taking
modern coral
I can carry R4E1 harder than I can carry R4C3.
quasi pine
How much cocaine are you taking
it took me literally like over 15 attempts to beat that thing's PE
unreal crystal
is that just because you’ve played one of them more tho ray
burnt flume
I can carry R4E1 harder than I can carry R4C3.
burst sentry weeps for it has to shoot into chargers
modern coral
burst sentry weeps for it has to shoot into chargers
Sniper sentry buffs go hard.
unreal crystal
that’s probably the case for me anyway
quasi pine
saying that adds nothing to this conversation IFO
vestal crystal
D2 kind of a pub slayer too no?
Yeah it is a bit
modern coral
is that just because you’ve played one of them more tho ray
I do think some levels are more carriable than others
and R4E1 is very carryable.
unreal crystal
Yeah it is a bit
LOL
vestal crystal
Yeah it is a bit
Thx for the reply....
blissful dome
saying that adds nothing to this conversation IFO
It goes to show why c2 isn't hard
unreal crystal
d2 is pretty rough too
burnt flume
as long as people can not die horribly in r4e1 you're probably fine
quasi pine
what is d2's gimmick
burnt flume
but I think I lose more braincells when someone is actively making it harder to kill tank than I do when someone dies to 3 big chargers
unreal crystal
That probably goes for every single level in the game pachi
blissful dome
as long as people can not die horribly in r4e1 you're probably fine
Pubs.
burnt flume
oh yeah definitely, if you're not dying you're doing something fine
with all of that said, it still feels like half of the pubs use cheat mods
blissful dome
most of my deaths are due to impatience
Eh?
quasi pine
downs, i mean
blissful dome
How though
quasi pine
i try to stealth too quickly cause i'm sick of doing these levels
blissful dome
Ah
quasi pine
usually when everyone's on 20% health already so it doesn't ultimately matter
blissful dome
with all of that said, it still feels like half of the pubs use cheat mods
Joining random pubs is probably not the best course of action
quasi pine
the main mod i see is ping anywhere
blissful dome
Kaiser moment
burnt flume
ping everywhere is lame
quasi pine
lol
blissful dome
Mods are lame
burnt flume
I mean at least it's not an outright cheat but like
blissful dome
Run vanilla
unreal crystal
Kaiser moment is killing a big charger with 4 pdw shots
blissful dome
Deal with the glitches
blissful dome
Kaiser moment is killing a big charger with 4 pdw shots
Ong
quasi pine
wat
tall hawk
Do NOT ping everywhere.
quasi pine
how do you do that
unreal crystal
by using cheats
blissful dome
Mod
quasi pine
breh
blissful dome
Boosters
burnt flume
I need to install mod list/kick players/archive when I play pubs man
can't trust anyone nowadays
unreal crystal
it’s worth
lusty river
what is d2's gimmick
Main obj gets progressively harder the farther you progress, and side objs alter the level drastically
burnt flume
oh definitely
unreal crystal
esp the kick
vestal crystal
Genshin flashlight users stay winning
quasi pine
Main obj gets progressively harder the farther you progress, and side objs alter...
see that sounds fun
unreal crystal
cringe
burnt flume
I mean I'd quite literally be using nothing but modlist and kick mod, don't need anything else
blissful dome
I need to install mod list/kick players/archive when I play pubs man
Istg someone joined with infini res on r7e1 and couldn't kill a tank
quasi pine
what is infini res
blissful dome
They do not run out of resources
burnt flume
infinite
blissful dome
It was so sad
burnt flume
infini is a player from the chinese community who got excommunicated for doing a fast r7c1 speedrun with europeans/americans
well maybe not that dramatic, but you get the idea
blissful dome
Ok that I don't know
burnt flume
the chinese players were pissed
quasi pine
real
broken citrus
Womp womp
lusty river
Istg someone joined with infini res on r7e1 and couldn't kill a tank
I have anti doorcheese mod, am I cheating 🤑
lusty river
😔
quasi pine
yuki did you still want to help me out with c3
blissful dome
Stop the hacks bae
blissful dome
yuki did you still want to help me out with c3
Oh yea Yuki help cuernos man
burnt flume
why are you using an anti doorbug mod? just don't doorbug? like hello????