gtfo-chat

[opal thorn]

so it's whatever

[rose nova]

dak can u confirm

daks playin gtfo

[wicked solstice]

i'm testing other bugs rn

but I'll chekc

iirc it can happen at any number rarely

[queen galleon]

omg they actually made the red lights in r1c2 less harmful to the eyes

check out the patch notes

[high orchid]

was it even that bad?

[queen galleon]

omg yes

[sharp owl]

Sucks to not have mods gg

[wicked solstice]

i mean yeah I run archive

but I had to check

[high orchid]

only issues I've ever experienced on R1C2 was the liquid bug, and that was once

[stark nest]

Has anyone thought about making/made a GTFO tabletop conversion

[hollow quarry]

I know there was some DND plans from the community

[jade dirge]

Did they fix the slug?

[rose nova]

did it needed fix

i mean buffs i think but fixes no

[jade dirge]

What's the name of the slug shotgun, Buckland s870?

[rose nova]

no, its urghhh bataldo custom

somethin somethin

the s870 its the pump shotgun, the normal one the usual one

[jade dirge]

Bataldo custom had nothing changed

[rose nova]

yeah

[tropic pendant]

Bataldo Custom K330 obviously 🙂

[jade dirge]

So it's still ass, sadly

[rose nova]

_>

smh

[jade dirge]

But the nano got buffed, so o can look into that gun now

Oh shit isn't the raptus treffen the normal autopistol?

[rose nova]

the machinepistol

[wicked solstice]

machine pistol

autopistol is different

[rose nova]

the autopistol is streigro

[wicked solstice]

*steigro

close enough tho

[rose nova]

that

[jade dirge]

Yk what I mean, the not-HEL automatic sidearm

[rose nova]

the machinepistol

[jade dirge]

Yeah the machine pistol

It got more range

And the burst pistol got range and damage

[wicked solstice]

honestly not even sure that'll help burst pistol

or it'll just completely outclass normal pistol

[jade dirge]

I'll still try it out now, if it's decent I'll keep it

[rose nova]

i was hopin stagger tbh but well dmg

[jade dirge]

The main complaint I heard was shit damage

[wicked solstice]

no shot burst pistol outranges pistol now

you have got to be joking me

[jade dirge]

Outrages and outdamages

[high orchid]

bro

[jade dirge]

It deals 6 per burst I think

[junior latch]

and?

[high orchid]

isn't that pre buff?

[rose nova]

thats not shit dmg, it was one burst to the head one to the boddy

[jade dirge]

Maybe

[rose nova]

yeah

[junior latch]

Hel revos outranged by machine guns

[wicked solstice]

6.4 per burst now

[junior latch]

but has way more effective range

effective range =/= fall off range

[rose nova]

i mean either way the burst will not let u use it at super long range

[wicked solstice]

eva

[rose nova]

just by recoil

[wicked solstice]

pistol is 9-45

burst pistol is 10-47

[jade dirge]

Yee boi, time for burst pistol testing

[wicked solstice]

exact same precision modifier

wait

[junior latch]

And?

[rose nova]

i dont think the range is why people didnt like the burst pistol

[wicked solstice]

they're like the same gun now

what

[junior latch]

no

[jade dirge]

Eva burst pistol is decent now

[wicked solstice]

except one has more stagger and more ammo

and slightly less rangfe

what

[rose nova]

this is what ive been sayin since it came out but ok

[wicked solstice]

oh and burst pistol fires way slower

[junior latch]

its most likely still pretty meh

[fair schooner]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOO SNIPER DELAY BUFF

[jade dirge]

They buffed burst cannon even harder

[junior latch]

Oh god… sleepyboi takes are starting again

[jade dirge]

Moar fire rate

[wicked solstice]

burst cannon didn't get anything lol

it's like 0.1 sec

[jade dirge]

I'm just saying what it said dude, the klust-6 got reduced burst delay

[rose nova]

not like it needed it either

[high orchid]

that's better than nothing

I was surprised to see hel gun get something

[rose nova]

same idk why

[jade dirge]

Ye it got more bullets

[paper sigil]

random number generator balance

[wicked solstice]

it's better to read the actual numbers

because "reduced burst delay" can mean a lot of things

[rose nova]

i was hopin for buffs on short rifle slug shottie etc etc
and then went and buffed the one special that everyone pretty much agrees is one of the best in the game skdmkm

[wicked solstice]

yeah

F in the chat for slug shottie and short rifle

[rose nova]

we go off in a high note, doin weird things

[opal thorn]

i like how hel gun refills 15/16 now

[rose nova]

yayyy

[opal thorn]

and prifle refills 16.3 something

[blissful dome]

What happened again

[opal thorn]

revolver is 18.3 something

[high orchid]

prifle?

[opal thorn]

precision

[high orchid]

who calls it prifle?

[rose nova]

patch

prifle

[opal thorn]

i don't wanna type recision

[rose nova]

prifle

[high orchid]

I've seen PR and perc used

[rose nova]

pr makes more sense

[opal thorn]

perc

[wicked solstice]

prifle

pr

[rose nova]

prifle

[wicked solstice]

prec

[rose nova]

p-rifle, like the enemy

[wicked solstice]

bio with a gun

[rose nova]

kill a p-rifle without being damaged by bullets

[blissful dome]

Wtf

What are these buff

[high orchid]

biotrack battery update

[fair schooner]

they should make the burst cannon shoot the sniper rounds and make it full auto but only for me <3

[junior latch]

honestly none of these have much impact aside from sniper

Where it goes from troll to just meh/bad

[wicked solstice]

[rose nova]

revolutionary

[fair schooner]

hey let’s hope it’s at least usable

gotta try it tonight

[forest lance]

What are the bullet damages for sniper and hell rifle again

[analog flicker]

Sniper is 40 (precision 80)
Hel rifle is 30 (precision 21.9) < this is prior to body parts multipliers

[rose nova]

sniper 40 hel rifle 30
but sniper has a lot of precision dmg, hel rifle doesnt

[high orchid]

sniper does 40 with a like 2.035x perc multiplier

[rose nova]

yeah somethin like that

[wicked solstice]

yeah

[high orchid]

perc does like 16.6ish iirc

[rose nova]

hel rifle its like the classic 0.7 something

so worthless on headshots pretty much

unless its a scout

[high orchid]

I wouldn't say worthless, just unnecessary

[rose nova]

eh true

[opal thorn]

hybrid

[analog flicker]

Slendi it's still 21.9 multiplied against bodypart multis

[forest lance]

Id still take the rifle over sniper tho even with the buff

[analog flicker]

Weaker than sniper but doesn't make it useless

[fair schooner]

yeah sniper still only super useful on reactor missions

[analog flicker]

Eh

[rose nova]

they already corrected me ur late haha

[wicked solstice]

slendi did you see they removed the biblically accurate bbc?\

[rose nova]

yes, sad

[wicked solstice]

sad day

[fair schooner]

sniper for r2d2 was prettt good imo

[rose nova]

i always thought that was a set spawn for the hahas

but alas

[forest lance]

especially since recent mission are spammed with chargers

[analog flicker]

Where the shadow changes dak

[junior latch]

Worthless on anything but hybrids/chickens and scouts lol

[wicked solstice]

twas very haha

[analog flicker]

I need to know if they changed other things and didn't list it

[wicked solstice]

so hybrids and scouts

[junior latch]

Thats what im curious about too

[rose nova]

:[ bbcs love broken for valentines day, such evil

[wicked solstice]

because when do we ever see chickens in large quantities

thanks heat bug

[rose nova]

in ur mod

[wicked solstice]

we love you

[high orchid]

when do you ever need to even shoot chickens?

[rose nova]

[play occlusion]

[wicked solstice]

definitely not broken rn

lmao

[rose nova]

oh yeah i forgot

[wicked solstice]

yeah

[analog flicker]

plays Inferno to heat up my room

[wicked solstice]

bye bye mods

[pine root]

let’s goo

I love when mods break

[rose nova]

heat???!?!!!! the palette?!??!!

i wish geforce supported gaddam mods

[wicked solstice]

yeah I gotta wait for sam and flow to update geos ig, sadge

[pine root]

Dw one day we will no longer have to maintain

[wicked solstice]

true

[pine root]

We can leave this place

Torch all the info we learnt

[wicked solstice]

today is most likely that day tbh

[pine root]

probs

[rose nova]

now yall can work on a 5th player mod for gtfo right

:]

[wicked solstice]

hmmm

[pine root]

na

[rose nova]

[wicked solstice]

it was done before but it just fucks balancing so hard

[pine root]

From what I understand that will never happen

[wicked solstice]

you'd have to design an entire rundown around it

[pine root]

it isn’t even that

I don’t think there has been a stable 5 player mod

ever

[wicked solstice]

yeah, I was about to ask if the 5 player mod in thunderstore was stable or not

[pine root]

Besides like spectate

[pine root]

It doesn’t even work

XD

[wicked solstice]

well yeah it's deprecated

but like

[pine root]

It didn’t work ever

[analog flicker]

[wicked solstice]

ah

[pine root]

GTFO isn’t like other games were you just make it have 32 players by changing like 3 things

[wicked solstice]

i remember at some point, someone was trying to convince me making a more players mod for GTFO would be easy and that they could do it

and I called cap

[rose nova]

cof cof

[wicked solstice]

because I was pretty sure if that'd been possible, the modding server would've done it in OG R5

[pine root]

It is possible but without mono r8 I feel like it would be almost impossible to do

[rose nova]

well im gonna go nom, and uh think about slug shotgun and cry

[little ridge]

I'm still left wondering why r6 has X levels

Or that was addressed?

[high orchid]

that was rundown 6 extend

[junior latch]

Extension

[pine root]

It is because that is what they were called in r6

[junior latch]

unique story

[analog flicker]

Extension that was lore based

[rose nova]

cause it was funny

[little ridge]

But ext rundown levels just had ext

[junior latch]

Og r6 ext lore was rly good

[little ridge]

and little more

[junior latch]

Shame that they removed it

[junior latch]

?

[pine root]

They made it better

[junior latch]

they were supposed to be noticeably different to the other story missions

[analog flicker]

Bruh gtfo Twitter just posted a bunch of like valentines cards

[little ridge]

r4a3 wasn't called r4ax

[wicked solstice]

schaeffer continuosly screaming fuck at me as I try to extract

god I miss it

[little ridge]

and it was technically an extension level released after og r4

[junior latch]

I disagree , i rly liked following schaeffer

[blissful dome]

Were they

[wicked solstice]

it was initially separate from the rest of the rundown

[high orchid]

r4 didnt have a story like r6 did

[opal thorn]

it only affects the reload when you have 1 shell in the tube

[wicked solstice]

like

[analog flicker]

https://twitter.com/GTFOthegame/status/1757794885762003031?t=pD2eLNt7omRs_wXjh_G6cg&s=19

[wicked solstice]

you had the main 10 levels

[junior latch]

Yes lol story wise

[wicked solstice]

then off in the corner were BX, CX, DX

[little ridge]

I dont know

[analog flicker]

I'm with Eva on this one.

[little ridge]

It still looks and feels weird

[analog flicker]

When people were doing DX with double flyer damage

[little ridge]

Back when they released for a second I hoped they'd be 100% randomized levels

[wicked solstice]

there is no way 10CC just posted a valentines day card template with the text "If you see me throbbing its all because of you"

there is no shot

[pine root]

I don’t understand

[high orchid]

aint no fucking way

[pine root]

What is wrong with the shotgun here

[opal thorn]

you reload shotgun when you have 1 shell in the tube

[wicked solstice]

@high orchid

[opal thorn]

you reload 7

[blissful dome]

What

[wicked solstice]

this tweet

i am dying

[pine root]

Ahhh I see now

[opal thorn]

you reload at any other shell, you reload 8

[pine root]

funny

[high orchid]

AINT NO FUCKING WAY

[pine root]

Nice find very funny

[high orchid]

💀

[wicked solstice]

"Is that a Burst Sentry Mechatronic SGB3 in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

HUH???

[pine root]

That is a good one

[wicked solstice]

god I love WDWRM sometimes man

pretty sure he's the social manager

[turbid river]

i did a achievement that makes all 4 players use only shotguns lmao

[rose nova]

:D

[analog flicker]

The only REACTOR_MELTDOWN thats going on is the one I go through is when I see you

[high orchid]

did you do it on r6d1?

[blissful dome]

So true

[hollow quarry]

[scenic venture]

Most based post to ever exist

[turbid river]

no, r1d1

[hollow quarry]

Just sometimes?

[jade dirge]

hey calle, why does the slug shotgun suck?

[exotic geyser]

Hey, just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS (R8B4 was harder before the patch nerf) on the R8B4 (R8B4 was harder before the nerf) CLEAR. I know you've been working really hard (this level used to be harder before the patch) at it, and I'm happy that you've (the patch helped you get the clear) achieved your goal of completion. I know your journey through (waiting for them to nerf the level) the content was filled with ups and downs.

[forest lance]

@hollow quarrysniper 3 bullets pretty please?

[wispy bluff]

These patch notes seem... Short.

No slug changes? No Short Rifle changes? Is (H)AR untouched?

I guess Burst Pistol is buffed, that's nice.

[sharp siren]

sorry

artek

[hollow quarry]

Slugs are slow animals

[sharp siren]

theyre been stupid

[upper loom]

respectable

[sharp siren]

and pulling a dead by daylight

[jade dirge]

yes but these arent slug animals, these are lead slugs

[rose nova]

still slug

[sharp siren]

and using the excuse of pick rate and stats and theyre own bad judgement

for balance changes

[hollow quarry]

Should be even slower if they are made of lead

[jade dirge]

what does ampere even mean

the slug shotgun is just a worse sawn off though

hell the sawn off is one of the best in the game

[sharp siren]

i cant tell you cant aim

😔

im sorry for your loss

[jade dirge]

i cant aim, thats why i like shotguns

i was hoping a lead slug to the chest would put down most rank and file enemies, which it doesnt

[sharp siren]

its a primary

[jade dirge]

luckily rock heads have heads the size of panama so its impossible to miss

[sharp siren]

theyre drawbacks are more noticeable

[exotic geyser]

Lower your mouse sensitivity if you cant aim.

[scenic venture]

Train your aim

[jade dirge]

no

[exotic geyser]

Then perish

[jade dirge]

shotgun is fun

[scenic venture]

Shotgun is indeed fun, but you are limited w your range and tactics

[blissful dome]

Hel shotty combat shotty wave clear is so uwu

[exotic geyser]

Hel shotty was nice for that 12 wave of chargers though.

[scenic venture]

Yes

[wispy bluff]

So:
BP still shit.
(H)AR still shit.
Slug / Short Rifle are memes.

But at least Pumpy, Arbalist and BPistol got away with neat improvements.

Sniper only got the shot delay reverted, but everything else stayed?

[upper loom]

yeah

womp womp

[wispy bluff]

LMAO the reload animation still broken

[analog flicker]

I'd wait until people weed out the shadow changes if there was any

[upper loom]

I was starting to really like the arbalest

too

so i'm happy

[analog flicker]

Arbalest getting more ammo is still kinda meh

Nothing listed has a big impact really

[jade dirge]

im just sad slug shot is still shit

i wanted it to be good, its a pump shotgun in main

[wispy bluff]

But it still doesn't actually pump?

[jade dirge]

it doesnt?

[wispy bluff]

Or did they thankfully changed that and it has an animation and everything?

[obsidian anvil]

Hey there, any tips for R2C1? been like 5-6 tries, either we are unlucky with 2-3 spagghetti mosnter in a room or we ran out of stuff at the end. We do the 202 room at the end but kinda hard when you get stomped by one big guy

[wispy bluff]

What, you never paid attention? It just refuses to shoot, there's no pumping animation.

[pallid anvil]

What is spaghetti monster

😭

[wispy bluff]

Remind me the objective of that one

[scenic venture]

Scout

[obsidian anvil]

the scouters

[wispy bluff]

I swear i've beaten it but icompletely forgot what it actually consists of

[boreal yew]

3 uplink with shadows

The first level got nerfed in GTFO history

[wispy bluff]

Ahhhh

The giant maze storage?

[analog flicker]

[obsidian anvil]

Triangulation. Uplink 3 terminals then run back to the main entrance. Invisibles when you do the uplink and 2 security doors.

[wispy bluff]

Lovely

No particular hints, its a very basic level, i did it with bots just recently

[obsidian anvil]

I can't manage to oneshot the scouter, I hit him in the head then he screams so I dunno what I am doing wrong haha

[wispy bluff]

The only advice is to save the closest uplink to infil point for last

This will make extraction easier

[exotic geyser]

Which weapon are you using?

[scenic venture]

What melee/gun u using

[wispy bluff]

Why are you shooting scouts

[obsidian anvil]

Hammer

fully charge

[pallid anvil]

Isn’t there a c scout

[analog flicker]

I would recommend. Aiming for the top half of the head

[scenic venture]

Weird

[scenic venture]

There are charger scouts yes

[exotic geyser]

Are you jumping when you let the hammer swing down?

[obsidian anvil]

I do if I am in the other room, either sentry or if there are little mobs around, easier to deal

[obsidian anvil]

no

[pallid anvil]

Yea in that level

Idk I don’t remember it

[analog flicker]

You hit too low and you may end up with a neck hit instead of a headshot

[scenic venture]

C scouts appear in r3 so not in r2

[analog flicker]

(This can happen to Giants with sniper as well. It'll destroy the giants head visually if you snipe the neck)

[exotic geyser]

Yeah try jumping when you swing your hammer so you hit the top of the head

[obsidian anvil]

Might need to try

[exotic geyser]

Also avoid trying to kill it on stairs.

[jade dirge]

do i misunderstand the point of breaking a juggernauts head?

[exotic geyser]

Stairs and scouts go together like oil and water.

[scenic venture]

You mean chargers?

[jade dirge]

if you dont have a head you dont have a tongue, so why can juggernauts still tongue

[scenic venture]

Just hit the back, its his only weakness

[analog flicker]

I would recommend taking sleepyboi with a grain of salt.

[jade dirge]

no juggernauts

[scenic venture]

Fair

Wht the hell is a juggernaut

I can only think of chargers

[exotic geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/juggernaut-xmen-cartoon-gif-23216778

[jade dirge]

the big variant of a biter

[analog flicker]

Giants

[obsidian anvil]

I guess I just have to aim higher

[analog flicker]

Is what they call juggernauts

[scenic venture]

Giants

[turbid river]

big guy

[jade dirge]

juggernauts

[obsidian anvil]

That level is draining our sanity

[scenic venture]

[jade dirge]

big fucker with the 40% arm slap

[scenic venture]

I call them frank

[boreal yew]

Actually you need to be closer, or have a forward momentum when meleeing a scout

[turbid river]

its obviously little bigguy

[wispy bluff]

Oh fuck they actually fixed R7D1

[exotic geyser]

I mean you can always have someone go spear as the designated scout killer but, it's really worth just learning how to kill scouts with the hammer.

[pallid anvil]

What are “exit trickle waves” in R8B4 ?

[scenic venture]

Pablo?

[wispy bluff]

At least they claim to...

[analog flicker]

The last I recall

Dakstar was fixing that up awhile ago.

But I have no idea of the details beyond that it was snatcher spawning per person

[obsidian anvil]

gotcha

[analog flicker]

Client issue of sorts

[scenic venture]

What.

That just sounds unfun

[jade dirge]

seriously though, isnt the point of breaking hte head of an enemy to get rid of their head attack?

[exotic geyser]

No its to do more damage to it.

[scenic venture]

No

[exotic geyser]

Back of the head = bonus damage

[analog flicker]

The fix was the other 3 leaving as host initates it alone then they rejoin back to get 1 snatcher

[boreal yew]

You'd thought so but gtfo doesn't agree

[jade dirge]

rock heads die when their head is broken, but juggernauts have a massive tongue, so breaking their head should break their tongue, should it not?

[analog flicker]

But that ofcourse is only one of the bugs with R7D1

[scenic venture]

Thats just a pain tho

Isnt r7d1 pablo run

[exotic geyser]

No because they hefty bois and hefty bois have more hp because theyre bigger.

[analog flicker]

R7E1*

[pallid anvil]

What could hurt more, a hammer swing to your hand or directly onto your head

[scenic venture]

Ah ok

[pallid anvil]

GRRRRR

[scenic venture]

I love pablo

[jade dirge]

a spear to the face

but a face contains a tongue, if you lose your face you lose your tongue

[analog flicker]

Esophagus or digestive tract would extend through out your body. Not just head

[scenic venture]

Judging how by a other entity it can come from almost anywhere it makes sense

[jade dirge]

you get my point, if i stab the juggers head off he should lose his tongue

[analog flicker]

Though everyone refers to strikers attacks as Tongues

[pine root]

It isn’t their tounge

It is their…….

😳

[jade dirge]

especially since the tongue has no warning or way to dodge it, so if your low and trying to staggerlock a jugger, it just fucks you

[pine root]

You have to be trolling

XD

[jade dirge]

the ranged attack just shoots out and does 24%

[analog flicker]

[pallid anvil]

:3

[boreal yew]

The "tongue" attack is one of very few good telegraphed attack in the game, and it's the one kinda consistent to dodge

[opal thorn]

scariest tongue is shooter animation shadows

[jade dirge]

the tongue is the least telegraphed, the smack has them turn their body to wind up

[upper loom]

what?

[analog flicker]

You can see when they start to do a tongue attack.

[jade dirge]

you never noticed them doing a little quarter turn of their upper body to wind up the slaps?

[analog flicker]

Or even hear if you recognize it

[jade dirge]

that one doesnt even work, im hard of hearing

[boreal yew]

When they turned their body, the hitbox is already out, it's not "telegraphic"

[jade dirge]

every time i notice them winding up i dodge out of the way in time

[analog flicker]

Hard of reading should be there as well given some of the chat history the last 2-3 days.

But it comes most at recognizing when they do initiate the attack next to recognizing what direction they are attacking

[wispy bluff]

What DH says

Punches are not telegraphed at all

The hitbox is instant

[analog flicker]

Artek turning tongue attacks to punches

What

[wispy bluff]

The animation is just common courtesy to at least show you why you got hit

[analog flicker]

Punches are also just giant spherical hitboxes

[wispy bluff]

Talking of giant punches, not tongue

[analog flicker]

You changed it to punches artek

The initial talk was about the tongue attacks

[wispy bluff]

Didn't DH do that?
#gtfo-chat message

[analog flicker]

Artek.

Did you even read the other messages

Mentioning tongue attacks

[wispy bluff]

Glazed over

[analog flicker]

Next to that tag doesn't even mention "punches"

Well I apologize there was one message about slaps from sleepy

[scenic venture]

Its pretty easy to decect an enemy going for tongue attack

[analog flicker]

But yes

[wispy bluff]

Its the only thing i could assume on the context

[analog flicker]

I read further to sleepy message

That mentioned slaps

Though everything else from what I've read was about the tongue attacks

But giant punches

Are still scary af

With big spherical hitboxes

[pine root]

You notice this not the tongue sound/ red glow/ them stop moving

Mb I forgot your hard of hearing

[analog flicker]

They said they're hard of hearing

[pine root]

I forgot

[analog flicker]

Yeah

[junior latch]

most of what sleepyboi says is either wacky jibberish, actual wrong info or repeating vets opinions without context

[wispy bluff]

psyop bot still on the table, just sayin'

[junior latch]

the hearing part only rly plays if you arent looking at them even honestly

[pine root]

Yeah I know but I want to find out if they are a troll or not

[analog flicker]

As one mute player once said "See Eva. Short rifles good"

[junior latch]

Pff

[pine root]

The sound is different when they are targeting you vs a teammate

[wispy bluff]

It is amazing to me that they haven't touched the newcomer guns except the ONE who was actually sort of okay

[junior latch]

the honest question rn is

jish, is sniper A tier or B tier gun?

[analog flicker]

[pine root]

Sniper didn’t change

[wispy bluff]

It has to be B, right?

[junior latch]

:> oh it did

[pine root]

na I still don’t think it is worth anything atm

[junior latch]

Queue the do they know meme

[analog flicker]

So is it just a say they did but it didn't actually happen

[junior latch]

3 shotting mom

[scenic venture]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[junior latch]

nearly 4 shotting tank

[scenic venture]

That one?

[pine root]

?

[wispy bluff]

Huh?

Did they touched damage?

[pine root]

that isn’t how this works

[junior latch]

:>

oh it is

[burnt flume]

wait what

[scenic venture]

THEY DID WHAT.

[junior latch]

ive tested this a while ago but forgot about it

[wispy bluff]

I have no idea what you're talking about

[junior latch]

got some dms from people confirming it (asking me about it)

[wispy bluff]

We need context, yesterday

[analog flicker]

I haven't gotten on to look at stats so ye

[junior latch]

so i take it everyone knows tumors have a capped max hp dmg

[scenic venture]

So sniper is now viable against moms and tanks

[analog flicker]

A shadow buff?

[junior latch]

which is the tumors hp

thats gone

[pine root]

Yeah

[analog flicker]

Oh

[junior latch]

hard buff to sniper

[analog flicker]

Tumor change

[pine root]

So scatter is better on host

[burnt flume]

wait did they like, remove the damage cap on every tumour ever

[wispy bluff]

Client bullshit or for real?

[pine root]

?

[rare stone]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that they're a troll, just saying

[junior latch]

and fixes host for non shotgun weapons

[junior latch]

no

still worse

shotguns dont get pellets hitting the same tumor even when its dmged

so youll miss a few often

[scenic venture]

So if i understand this correctly

[wispy bluff]

You know what.

[pine root]

so dmg in tumors isn’t capped

[scenic venture]

Sniper can 3 shot moms and 4 shot tanks

[junior latch]

this change is a massive buff for host on non shotguns

And a massive sniper buff generally

[wispy bluff]

That ain't actually that bad.

[pine root]

Why is tank 4 shot a thing?

This game is stupid

Actually

holy shit

[junior latch]

Barey not on tanks. Misses 80 dmg

[scenic venture]

Or am i wrong

[pallid anvil]

Girl what

[junior latch]

5 shot tank alone

7 shot pmom

[pine root]

@gusty burrow

[scenic venture]

Thats insane

[wispy bluff]

The boss killer is back, boys

[scenic venture]

Thats actually insane

[pine root]

Your tumor guide needs to be updated

[junior latch]

thats why

is sniper A tier again

its obviously not S tier

[pine root]

I mean now we just have a better tank option

I think mom it doesn’t really matter

[junior latch]

mom is a rly huge change for sniper

[wispy bluff]

Honestly a deserved change, considering that they didn't nerf scatter at all. It at least can compete now.

[junior latch]

but doesnt rly pose much impact generally

best tank option tho ye

[pine root]

Yeah but scatter is just to good into mom

[junior latch]

also due to firerate/shot delay buff its now best vs kraken again

[junior latch]

Yep

[rare stone]

so Sniper is good on host now?

[analog flicker]

[pine root]

best tank option idk if it is worth on many maps

[scenic venture]

Yooooo

[junior latch]

sniper is the same for host or client

[pine root]

Maybe r4e1 it is fine for

oh shit wait

[junior latch]

shotguns are the only thing that still have an advantage on clients

[pine root]

You can kill the mom zone

From max distance

Now

very quick

[junior latch]

sniper vs tank with any teammate is fun

4 shots + minor dmg = kill

[pine root]

hmmmm I feel like they just made this game

Stupid easy

For no reason

Holy shit

[junior latch]

eh

it only changes tumor behaviour

[pine root]

Eva I wanted

[junior latch]

for host rly

and sniper

[pine root]

A scatter nerf

[rare stone]

wait so why can the sniper 4 shot moms now?

[junior latch]

3*

well 2 1/2

[scenic venture]

Bro

Thats goated

[rare stone]

yeah but why?

[pine root]

Because they took away tumor dmg cap

For no reason

[scenic venture]

One guy use sniper and the other just spray its back

[rare stone]

oh shit

[pallid anvil]

They did?

[pine root]

Apparently it only matters for fucking spear and sniper

so guess they just buff sniper

[wispy bluff]

I imagine the reason was because Scatter was invalidating literally everyone because of it

[boreal yew]

Why 4 shots though? If the dmg cap removed it should be 3 shots?

[pine root]

Then nerf

Scatter

?

what do you mean

[wispy bluff]

Yeah, but you know...

[pine root]

like the game doesn’t need

This

[boreal yew]

80 x 3 = 240 and mom has only 200 right?

[junior latch]

I said 3

[wispy bluff]

Coke is a one hell of a drug

[pine root]

bosses aren’t even mini bosses anymore

[boreal yew]

Oh, 4 shots tank

[junior latch]

Mom is x5

[pine root]

They aren’t an issue

[wispy bluff]

There is one who is

On a certain R8 level

mile yard stare

[junior latch]

@boreal yew 3 shot mom (400 dmg per shot) and 5 shot tank (240 per shot)

[pine root]

one level

[scenic venture]

Didnt mom have 1000

[pine root]

isn’t a good boss

[junior latch]

this change only impacted sniper

[pine root]

Yeah

[junior latch]

everything else didnt change

[scenic venture]

Secret buff

[pine root]

yup

[pine root]

Spear

Changes a little

[junior latch]

unless you take host being „close“ to client power as broken

ah true

minor

[pine root]

very important buff

[burnt flume]

so machine gun is still the same and I can yell at pubs for being annoying and fucking over tank?

[junior latch]

as hell

[junior latch]

Yea

they at best get like 5 extra dmg off a last shot on a bubble as host

[burnt flume]

ah right yeah it'll only matter for a gun that deals enough damage at once

otherwise very insignificant

[junior latch]

this didnt change anyting for clients bar sniper and spear afaik

[boreal yew]

For armored enemy I only calculated EHP, that is divide by weakspot multi

[scenic venture]

Ah ok

[analog flicker]

But Eva. Does this mean sniper still counts for Garbo weapon on bingo or nah?

[pine root]

It does

[junior latch]

what does it change

[pine root]

client was still capped

[junior latch]

not anymore

[junior latch]

but no weapon ever did more than max hp in 1 shot bar those 2

[rare stone]

does Burst Pistol still count?

[pine root]

Yeah but cilent could still only do 126 dmg

In a single instance of damage

If that is uncapped

They world is doomed

[analog flicker]

So this means host sniper is the way to go?

[junior latch]

Jish

Wtf are you talking about

[analog flicker]

[junior latch]

nothing did more than 126 in 1 instance but sniper and spear

[pine root]

Yeah but cilent used to still cap

At 126

[scenic venture]

Spear does 126 dmg what.

[junior latch]

No?

[pine root]

To mom

[pine root]

Yeah

[scenic venture]

Oooh

[pine root]

????

[junior latch]

you could shoot 1 tumor with scatter

and do max dmg

[pine root]

scatter is different

[rare stone]

max smg?

[pine root]

because it is pellets

[junior latch]

You could do the same with PR

[rare stone]

SMG good weapon?

[junior latch]

shoot twice

and do more than 126

[pine root]

No

[junior latch]

YES

[pine root]

Not what I mean

You do more than 125 to the tumor

[analog flicker]

Was a typo for "dmg"

[pine root]

But you don’t deal more than 125.

[junior latch]

you did

[pine root]

In a single shot

[rare stone]

nono

[pine root]

Do you understand

Na

You don’t

We 100% know this for sure

[junior latch]

Yea but there was no weapon bar sniper and spear that every did

??

so it doesnt change

[pine root]

????

No this is a massive change

[junior latch]

jish

what

Does

more

[pine root]

for client and host

[junior latch]

for host*

[pine root]

For both

[junior latch]

not for client

[pine root]

You don’t understand

[scenic venture]

Imma grab a bag of popcorn

[junior latch]

then explain

[wispy bluff]

So wait

[scenic venture]

And look at chat

[junior latch]

You said nothing

bruh

which weapon

does/did more than 126 in 1 shot

:>

[pine root]

Sniper

And fucking spear

[junior latch]

LOOOLOLOLOL

did you not read

[wispy bluff]

Did they just solved client VS host BS? Or at least attempted to?

[pine root]

I did

[junior latch]

.

[wispy bluff]

This was the only place where it mattered, right?

[analog flicker]

[pine root]

You ar just wrong about the interaction

[scenic venture]

Me

[junior latch]

Attempted. Shotguns arent the same

[pine root]

yeah that isn’t the part I am mad about

Cilent got a change

As well

[junior latch]

you explained 0

you say

Theres a change

Bu then dont say shot

[high orchid]

sniper only does 126 in 1 shot if you headshot with max special damage

[junior latch]

if you keep doing this

then what are you even talking about

[pallid anvil]

I love chicken breasts :3 so yummy

[pine root]

Cilent was still capped on damage

at tumor ho

[scenic venture]

🔥

[junior latch]

when

Give me an example

[pine root]

Before this change

[junior latch]

dont repeat that shit

[analog flicker]

This isn't taking boosters into account.

[pine root]

r6

[junior latch]

JISH NOTHING CHANGED FOR CLIENT ASIDE FROM SNIPER AND SPEAR

[pine root]

then why are you

[scenic venture]

On a booster, main damage means melee right?

Or am i dumb

[quartz cape]

hey guys what are we talking about

[pine root]

*hosting me

[analog flicker]

Main gun.

[pine root]

this is a massive change

[scenic venture]

Ok

[boreal yew]

Primary weapon like pistol

[analog flicker]

Melee dmg will say Melee dmg

[high orchid]

yeah

[pine root]

I don’t care about fucking mg host

[scenic venture]

I want 3 melee boosters on at the same time and one tap giants

[junior latch]

I said
„It doesnt change anything for clients aside from sniper (and spear)“

You said „no thise is a massive change for clients it changws more“

[pine root]

I thought you

[wispy bluff]

Mains
Special
Melee

Are 3 completely different weapon types. Main means main / primary - Pistol, DMR, Double Tap, those guys.

[pine root]

We’re saying it didn’t change anything

on client

[analog flicker]

Possible though you typically need near max/maxed boosters to pull that off

[scenic venture]

Guess i need to farm boosters for that

[analog flicker]

Even then you'll have conditions like be above 50% or near teammates

[scenic venture]

True

I saw

It seems very cool tho

Can you one shot bbcs then?

[high orchid]

arent those the only 2 melee conditions?

[pine root]

I think we agree

[quartz cape]

i disagree

[pine root]

But I don’t think mg dealing full damage on a damage tumor matters

Ngl

[rare stone]

you still need a syringe

[scenic venture]

Ah oki

I mean understandable, would be too op then

[rare stone]

max melee damage you can get is 102% from boosters

[jade dirge]

im looking at their arms, they dont move anyway cause im right there, and i cant hear shit

you dont repeatedly stab juggers in the chest, you break their knees to staggerlock them

[analog flicker]

[pine root]

why do you say stagger lock

[jade dirge]

because they're animation locked in a stagger

[pine root]

Just say stunlock or staggered

[jade dirge]

staggerlock

[pine root]

interesting

I think you are not correct about those words

[jade dirge]

you dont say stun when you just broke a bastards knees, elbows, and neck, you say stagger because they physically recoil

[quasi pine]

what does that patch note about the lighting in r4c3 mean

I am terrified that they made the level darker

[pine root]

So they are staggered

[junior latch]

perma staggered works too @pine root

[pine root]

^^

[jade dirge]

yes, they stagger once on each limb break and die upon all limbs being broken, meaning they are stagger-locked until death

[pine root]

use the correct words for things stop sounding like an insane person

fucking rock heads

[jade dirge]

locked in an unending cycle of limb break, stagger, recover

[jade dirge]

i use the "right" term for the newer enemies i found

snatcher mother and kid

[pine root]

snatcher mother you are just trolling

Is this beep

On a second account

[jade dirge]

no snatcher
mother
and kid

[analog flicker]

If it's a ~~ shooter ~~ potato however.
Reloads ScatterGun with Religious Intent

[true pilot]

the what now

[jade dirge]

snatchers are the tentacle back bastards that look freaky
mothers make smoke and kids
kids are annoying bastards that splatter when hit with a hel rifle

[pine root]

Interesting

[wicked solstice]

wait

[junior latch]

It only happens 4 times

[wicked solstice]

did spear get shadow buffed?

[true pilot]

did it?

[mystic moss]

spear is a boss killer guys

[jade dirge]

no idea, but damn it feels good to use

[wispy bluff]

Please tell me it did

[rose nova]

what happened with spear

[wispy bluff]

Give me something to not die from dissapointment

[junior latch]

minor dmg on mom

doesnt matter

[rose nova]

ah ok

[wicked solstice]

ok so when you say minor

[junior latch]

6,25

[wicked solstice]

that means major for me

fuck

[junior latch]

extra dmg

lol

how much does yours do again with what prec multi

[pine root]

Your rundown

[jade dirge]

have you never shot a kid with hel rifle?

[wicked solstice]

it's like 1.3 prec and 25 full charge

[jade dirge]

i did cause i was out of shot shells, man it was funny

[wicked solstice]

so it does like 97.5 to giant occy

[quasi pine]

what does the lighting change on r4c3 mean

did they make the level darker than it already was

[mystic moss]

Prob no more overly red lights

[jade dirge]

oh hey doc

[untold ravine]

We adjusted saturation a bit to slightly less hurt the eyes

[jade dirge]

hey doc, i got a question

[wispy bluff]

Not a major gameplay change by any stretch, still nice

[jade dirge]

why does slug shot have to continue sucking?

[quasi pine]

🙏

now I will hurt slightly less while pounding my head against the wall that is r4c3

thank you

[junior latch]

35 extra dmg then on mom

7 hits to kill mom vs 8 hits

doesnt matter

[wispy bluff]

I'm thankful for the buffs, but i'm amazed by how many guns were left untouched

[quasi pine]

why would you melee mom anyway

foam her

[wicked solstice]

fun

[jade dirge]

bulletless

[junior latch]

doesnt change anything on normal enemies @dakstar

[wicked solstice]

i love being dakstarb

[jade dirge]

if you have no ammo a spear is your only option

[true pilot]

the voice told me to melee the hostile... the hostile is a pmom... i must obey

[quasi pine]

if you’re out of ammo you have bigger problems to worry about

[junior latch]

looked good for me in r1c2 (noticeably different than the screenshot in media)

[quasi pine]

[mystic moss]

mom doesn't kill you, it's your teammates who FF you while trying to kill mom

[jade dirge]

if your out of ammo your fucked unless you stop thinking and start stabbing

[junior latch]

Meleeing bosses is fun

knife the pmom

[quasi pine]

what if we just shoot her instead

[high orchid]

no the spear is bigger issue than no ammo

[quasi pine]

also I kinda hate how there’s no tells for that there is a mom in r4c2 unlike every other level that’s had a mom

[untold ravine]

At least we let you melee bosses

Looks at destiny aggressively with boss proximity stomp mechanic

[quasi pine]

(every other level that I’ve seen I mean)

[high orchid]

not really every level has a tell

[jade dirge]

doc, why must slug shot suffer?

[quasi pine]

all the other levels I’ve done that have mom, the tumors on the walls have given warning about her

[high orchid]

also the chargers are the tell tbh first words in that section were "is that a mom"

[quasi pine]

ehhh

not really

[high orchid]

they both have the same sleeping sounds

[jade dirge]

oh hey rio, how'd the mission go?

sorry i had to head out last night, had to do dishes

[quasi pine]

if anything that’s more to deceive the player than warn them about mom

the tumors are what her tell usually is, not chargers

this is coming from the perspective of someone who’s been doing levels in order so I can only assume that’s how it’s supposed to be

I get that the game has gotchas but it just feels weird for there to randomly be a mom in an ordinary room like that

[high orchid]

the chargers themself werent the tell it was the sleeping sound, it is a c tier

[wispy bluff]

I swear mother had unique sounds....

[true pilot]

i wanna say she has unique sounds

like similiar to chargers but a bit diffrent

[rose nova]

mom has unique sounds awaken

:D

[high orchid]

unless my ears are wrong her sleeping is the same as chargers

[rose nova]

yeah i thinkits the charger noise

[wicked solstice]

it's like very slightly differently pitched maybe

but it really is just a charger noise

[quasi pine]

her sleeping is the same as chargers yes

but the reasoning of “muh c-tier level” isn’t very satisfying

when it breaks the norm of every other mom encounter up until that point

[wicked solstice]

nvm

it's slightly lower pitched for a birther

[quasi pine]

raaaaah

[junior latch]

i mean suprises are supposed to be suprises

[quasi pine]

yea but there’s no way to really know outside of meta knowledge

[high orchid]

literal point of a surprise

[quasi pine]

I am tired you’re right

[junior latch]

Exploring slowly?

[high orchid]

R5A2 had a snatcher

[quasi pine]

already do that

[quasi pine]

wtf is a snatcher

[junior latch]

the level doesnt force you into the mom with an error or a suprise wakeup

[quasi pine]

is that like the things on the ceiling in half life

[junior latch]

so

dw

Its a spoil

er*

[quasi pine]

[pallid anvil]

girl go play and find out, don

dont get spoiled

[quasi pine]

I am still stuck on r4c3 lol

[high orchid]

PE?

[jade dirge]

Yknow I've never seen ceiling dicks yet

[quasi pine]

yes

I don’t move on from a level until I do PE

[high orchid]

that level's ending on pe is ass

never doing it again

[jade dirge]

After I finish working out and do an art assignment I can help you

[junior latch]

Jelly

You did r2e1 right

was it with ladderfoam

if yes its not gonna look good for ya

[quasi pine]

an experienced player showed us the ladder trick

i forgot who

[high orchid]

honestly once you beat r4c3 pe you're good until E1

[quasi pine]

we tried d1 a couple times

[pallid anvil]

i love that level

[quasi pine]

the weird spawn queues keeps killing us

[high orchid]

R4E1 one of my favorite levels

[honest dust]

GET THE FUCK OUT the game

[junior latch]

Should redo it without at some point

[serene jewel]

how muchmore did the arbalest get

[quasi pine]

why lol

[junior latch]

if you manage to do r4c3 then you shouldnt be struggling on r2e1 normally too hard

[junior latch]

huge cheese strat

[junior latch]

Hold inside reactor until last wave

[quasi pine]

i mean if it’s in the game

[quasi pine]

alr I’ll let my team know to do that next time

[serene jewel]

hmm I died during extract on r4c3

[junior latch]

So hard glitches are fine too?

[serene jewel]

but I still haven't done r2e1

[quasi pine]

I don’t even know of any exploits other than ladder foam

I’ve heard whispers of a mystical door bug but that’s so non specific

[wispy bluff]

Ladderfoam is cheesy, but not an exploit. The sleeper AI is just shit, which is not the players fault

[quasi pine]

my groups just keep dying at the main door

[quasi pine]

this

[junior latch]

you can forward hold on bridge for 1st wave (faster killing)

2nd wave you just split and rotate biotracker if needed
3rd gers tough (3way split) but you can rotate bio to help

4th just hold on western bridge (it is west iirc)

[quasi pine]

I see the ladder foam trick as just being a smart use of resources

[junior latch]

Yes but abusing it to clear a level way above the skill level is

[quasi pine]

it’s no different than leaving certain doors open to funnel enemies down the path you want

[junior latch]

It is lol

[quasi pine]

can you dm me this pls

[junior latch]

40% cfoam blocking a wave for 1 min isnt balanced

that barely holds a door for 20 seconds

[quasi pine]

well if the ladder cheese was really such a problem why wouldn’t it be patched out

[junior latch]

cant you copy it?

[quasi pine]

the game is still difficult even with that cheese

[junior latch]

Door bug isnt either

shooter bug isnt either

[quasi pine]

what even is the door bug

[wispy bluff]

Its a clear and an actually mechanic.
Devs had 10 rundowns worth of time to do something about this and they didn't, so its clearly not a problem.
Hell, they probably do it too.

[quasi pine]

what is shooter bug

[junior latch]

you break a door a specific way and enemies can never get through

[junior latch]

Any projectiles miss you

[high orchid]

basically door bug is when you break a door but enemies see it as closes

[quasi pine]

neat

[wispy bluff]

Door is broken, but enemies think otherwise and are stuck on an invisible wall doing nothing.

[junior latch]

Door bug legit mechanic :* )

[quasi pine]

interesting

[wispy bluff]

You spawn cap and no new wave enemies can spawn after that.

[quasi pine]

that seems kinda situational

[high orchid]

there's also a bug where you can shoot as a sec door opens and nothing wakes up

[burnt flume]

kinda situational as in you can abuse it any level to make it a joke

[wispy bluff]

It is not, it destroys every single level in the game

[junior latch]

Its not

[quasi pine]

I’ve done this by accident so many times trying to pull a room to mine the door

oh

[burnt flume]

door play with sound is a funny thing

[junior latch]

Ladder foam is

But ladder foam makes r2e1 a C tier mission

[vernal nebula]

Had someone completely solo the P mom in R3D1 because of that, it was my first playthrough of the level

[quasi pine]

r3d1 was BRUTAL

but such a fun level

[vernal nebula]

Pre sniper nerf for clarity sake

[quasi pine]

i’m surprised r4c3 has zero charger scouts

[junior latch]

They got introduced in r5

[burnt flume]

although tbh, if you're good enough at the game abusing door and sound mechanics becomes more of a joking around/going faster thing than tryharding/abusing bugs

[quasi pine]

there were charger scouts in r3d1

[high orchid]

they added that in alt

[quasi pine]

I distinctly remember it

oh

[burnt flume]

like I know someone will bang a door to shoot through the cracks all the time which is very amusing, but the guy is cracked at the game so it doesn't really break anything