gtfo-chat

[wicked solstice]

ok i legit cannot tell if you are talking about chargers or shadows at this point

[rose nova]

rockheads [5x head multiplier]

[jade dirge]

black rock head juggers arent real, right?

[junior latch]

the only other option aside from trolling is some unique side that just doesnt make them realize its oof

[jade dirge]

no, shades are the invisible guys

[mellow hedge]

shadows?

Cause they are literally shadows

[wicked solstice]

yeah nvm this system is wack, I'm confused as shit now ._.

[jade dirge]

you gotta bio gun to see them

[mellow hedge]

Or light

[jade dirge]

cause otherwise they just arent there

wait lights make them appear?

[wicked solstice]

i have no idea what rock head means

[rose nova]

im agreein with u

[mellow hedge]

You shine your light on them and you can see them

[jade dirge]

its a single solid head with rocks embedded in it, they have projectiles

[rare stone]

mods, can we subject them to 100 R2E1 pubs?

[junior latch]

supposedly shooter and hybrids

[mellow hedge]

No.... NOOOO

[jade dirge]

then you have the juggernaut variant of it, rock head jugger, who does minigun stuff

[wicked solstice]

those are potatoes

[mellow hedge]

So what is a giant shooter?

[wicked solstice]

:)

[jade dirge]

a rock head jugger

[rare stone]

they're talking about hybrids but I don't blame you for thinking it was the potato

[jade dirge]

wait hybrids and giant shooters are different things?

[mellow hedge]

And what is a hybrid?

Yes

[vernal nebula]

Had a biotracker player code dive during R6D3s reactor level, I was crying killing shadow enemies with no sentry and hella fog lmao

[wicked solstice]

no

[jade dirge]

oh no

[wicked solstice]

i mean the projectiels

those are potatoes

:)

[jade dirge]

you got minigun rock heads and cannon rock heads

[mellow hedge]

LMAOOO

But is chicken and hybrid not easier?

More universal

[wicked solstice]

bro you know those are fungal growths right

i think

[mellow hedge]

Its like a pigeon language

[mellow hedge]

Yes

I believe

[jade dirge]

looks like obsidian shards

[vernal nebula]

I call all of the enemies by their usual names but I do have an exception for chickens lol

[wicked solstice]

yeah I could not use this language in combat

legit

[jade dirge]

obsidian is a rock, rock heads

[mellow hedge]

Everyone says chickens hahaha

[wicked solstice]

would not get anything communicated

[mellow hedge]

You might get banned

[jade dirge]

i say these things and people get my meaning

[rose nova]

sleepy obv knows about the machineshooter tho, they defo seen it in d2

[mellow hedge]

Idk man if you said rock jugger to me I might scatter myself

[rose nova]

the one with the 4 arms

[jade dirge]

the

what

[mellow hedge]

Dude i love ben10

[rose nova]

u didnt see it?

[rose nova]

real its such a fun enemy

[jade dirge]

i saw a tumorback for the first time

[mellow hedge]

A tank?

[scenic venture]

pablo?

[mellow hedge]

Tumorback is very broad

[wicked solstice]

bro please just call it a tank/dad/hydra

[rose nova]

yeah that one, the one that shoots like many projectiles with tumors and 4 arms

[scenic venture]

has anyone seen my dad pablo

[rose nova]

u shouldve seen it

[jade dirge]

think so, the big chunky fuckers with multiattack and tumors on his back

they take basically 0 damage from hte front but popping bubbles on their back kills them

[mellow hedge]

Hes sleeping in A2 😉

[scenic venture]

which a2

[rose nova]

cof

[scenic venture]

i need my dad :((

[wicked solstice]

A2

[mellow hedge]

Wait so what are they called

[wicked solstice]

if you know you know

[vernal nebula]

Ah yes, tumorback and tumorfront 🍵

[mellow hedge]

THEE A2

[jade dirge]

tumorbacks

[scenic venture]

r7a2?

[mellow hedge]

I love my tumorfronts

[mellow hedge]

My boy

[jade dirge]

big chunky fuckers, invulnerable from the front but popping their backs kills them

they have multiattack like black juggers

[mellow hedge]

There are at least 3 enemies with tumorbacks

[junior latch]

3

[scenic venture]

true

[junior latch]

theres so many more

[rose nova]

three?
... ohhhh

[mellow hedge]

At least

So i dont get cancelled

Wait lemme count

[rose nova]

uh one two three, four five, six, seven... ?

[jade dirge]

they're a fucking ball, not man shaped like everything else

[mellow hedge]

I forgot about nightmares tbh lmao

[jade dirge]

absolutely rotund, fucked up face, moreso than the others, multiattack, and tumors on his back

[junior latch]

||Mom, Pmom, Tank, Monarch||
more arguable
||kraken, nightmare scouts, nightmares||

[mellow hedge]

Ya

[jade dirge]

im gonna send frost a pic of what i mean, he can tell you what i mean

[mellow hedge]

I know what you mean

[junior latch]

tank

boom

[rose nova]

we all know what u mean

[mellow hedge]

Flabam

[rose nova]

it isnt a big mystery

[rose nova]

fulukucha

[mellow hedge]

Lalachooga

[rose nova]

birililu

[jade dirge]

so yeah, heres all the names so far:
tumorback
biter
crawling biter
rock head
crawling rock head
shade
jugger
rock head jugger
black jugger

[mellow hedge]

Okay lets stop speaking british

[rose nova]

oke

[jade dirge]

feeler
black feeler
jugger feeler

thats everything ive encountered so far

[mellow hedge]

Just so you know biter and crawling biter are the same thing

as well as rock head and crawling rock head

[jade dirge]

oh

[wicked solstice]

yeah wait this is literally british

[jade dirge]

i thought they were different critters

[mellow hedge]

Ello mate

Wait

It actually is

[wicked solstice]

it's the same thing

where I know I am looking at english

but I have no clue what is going on

[rose nova]

english these nuts

[mellow hedge]

Pretty much

Anyway can we all agree that the cheeseburger is the best enemy?

[rose nova]

i like ben10

the 20% dmg projectiles are fun

[mellow hedge]

ah yes

the uhh... ben10

[jade dirge]

I just nickname things based on what they look like

Big fucking mouth? Biters
Rocks in your head? Rockhead

[rose nova]

they arent rocks they look squishy but pk

[mellow hedge]

The thing is tho that no one knows what you are talking about and you say it as if those are the OFFICIAL names

[wicked solstice]

yeaaahhh

[mellow hedge]

Like we say "you saw a giant charger yeah?" and you say "you mean black jugger"

[wicked solstice]

the reason we name enemies what they are is because it's either the dev given name that sounds good, or it's a community given name that stuck because it sounded good

[vernal nebula]

There should be laws against shit like this

[wicked solstice]

like the few instances I can think of this happening with the community were with Big Flyers (called Shockers at one point) the Immortal (Pablo), and Squidward/squid boss (kraken)

[jade dirge]

i mean, its big, its black, and its durable

[wicked solstice]

also bbc's but that's more of a meme

[jade dirge]

its a black jugger

[mellow hedge]

But its noooottttt 😭

[junior latch]

man try calling dwayne the rockjohnson a big black jugger

and see what happens

[rare stone]

which one's the beesechurger?

[wicked solstice]

literally you say juggernaut and the first thing I think of is a tank

[mellow hedge]

Naw youd get cancelled so fast

[wicked solstice]

ibviously birther

[rare stone]

right

[mellow hedge]

It is a nickname as well

[mellow hedge]

Yeah yeah obv

[jade dirge]

dwayne the rock johnson is samoan, not black, and hes just a guy, not a juggernaut

[rare stone]

he takes roids though

[mellow hedge]

Nightmare giant

[jade dirge]

once he is literally pitch black and 8 feet tall ill call him a black jugger

[rare stone]

but he's potato :3

[jade dirge]

dont forget the spikes coming out of his head

[mellow hedge]

I dont think you can call anyone a black jugger 💀

[mellow hedge]

I like cheeseburger

But i switch between cheeseburger, hamburger and potato

[wicked solstice]

you would get your shit slapped so fast

like honestly

[mellow hedge]

Frrrr

[rare stone]

same with the normal big chargers

no wonder they beat the shit outta you

if you call them that

I would be furious too

[mellow hedge]

Getting slapped by BBCs 😵‍💫

[junior latch]

anyway

like 90% of those are shit names

[rare stone]

shut the fuck up

[mellow hedge]

LMAOO

[jade dirge]

seriously though, why are there invisible demons

[junior latch]

why not

[rare stone]

PLAY THE GAME

[junior latch]

they fun

:D

[mellow hedge]

No

Absolutely not\

[vernal nebula]

If you call them a potato I’m standing back to watch you eat it

[rare stone]

I like shadows simply because they're slower than normal enemies

except shadow giants they're worse than big chargers

[mellow hedge]

Yeah but they are so fucking annoying

[wicked solstice]

lmao

crouching shadow hidden charger has to be my favorite bug

[jade dirge]

getting bit by a thing i cant even see is kinda annoying

[wicked solstice]

in the fucking game

[rare stone]

mf you haven't even gotten to that point yet

[mellow hedge]

Literally wiped on a R2E1 run cause of some dogshit twink giant shadow lurking in the dark

[rare stone]

:3

[jade dirge]

ive been bit by a shade

[rare stone]

aren't you still on R1B2?

[mellow hedge]

Na he on R7D2

[jade dirge]

officially, yes, but i pinball from world to world

[mellow hedge]

Mf its the same world

[jade dirge]

fine, i pinball from r to r

[rare stone]

nah this is Minecraft wdym

[mellow hedge]

Yo who tryna run R2E1 in the nether

[junior latch]

fucking potatoes

[wicked solstice]

shooter

[mellow hedge]

You love potatoes dont you eva 😉

[wicked solstice]

🥔 🥔 🥔

[junior latch]

NO

well yes

i love potatoes

but its not a potato

[rose nova]

potato

[mellow hedge]

You cant hide from the truth

🥔 🥔

[rare stone]

let's cut him in pieces and fry him and see if fries come out

and then we'll see if he truly was a potato

[junior latch]

oh no you dont understand

[rare stone]

yes I do

I understand everything

potater

[jade dirge]

when do these potato looking things show up

[rare stone]

idk play the game

[mellow hedge]

When you get later in the game

You gotta play it in order tho 😉

Literally

[rare stone]

if you don't play the game in order,
then a knee replacement is in order

[mellow hedge]

ESPECIALLY with this rundown

Aint no way i just spent an hour on that

Its 2:30am i gotta sleep holy

[jade dirge]

whats the better of the special pistols, magnum or hi cal

[rose nova]

they are for very different uses
revo [i guess u mean mastaba revo] its for pickin up smalls, has incredible speed on reload and firerate, very good dmg to oneshot...

[vernal nebula]

Depends on the level, hi cal is great for chargers

[rose nova]

high cal its more a big guy gun or charger gun, 30 dmg but very slow on reload and firerate

[jade dirge]

i use a hel shot, which pistol supplements this best

[rose nova]

well again depends on the level, if ur levels small infested revo to take off smaller targets that are left from the wave u helshotgun'd its good
but if its a big infested level high cals gonna come a long way and hel shottie can be used in the few instances u have alarms

this game doesnt have really a 'defined loadout'

[jade dirge]

I tend to run into a lot of smaller enemies and I need a weapon still good for picking off small enemies, but works for chunking large targets

[vernal nebula]

Out of those two options hi cal would be the best for that

Revolver is more specialized for small enemies for the most part

[rose nova]

pretty much any 30 dmg weapon would be good for that tbh

just depends then on how much range u want and reload and speed etc etc

[jade dirge]

i tend to be very, very close range and just need something to bonk big targets or cover a straggler so i can reload

close to medium range

[rose nova]

as if playin with the guns wasnt fun either to ask like a game show ksmdkm
yeah any 30 dmg weapon, normal shottie for big mag and reload high cal for single shot and easy to use chokemod for a lot of range with few shells in mag hel rifle for the very very long range and pen while being slow

even burst cannon u can spray into a wave, scattergun oneshots bigs and can also be sprayed into a wave

[jade dirge]

ill stick to hi cal since you shoudlnt use 2 shotguns in one loadout

[rose nova]

... i mean not like ur really gonna suffer from it

high cals just a shotgun but, single bullet

its literally all the requirements of a shotgun in range dmg etc but ok

[wicked solstice]

bro has clearly not seen hel shottie/scattergun

[rose nova]

no dude i cant use heavy smg and machinegun u cant have two autos in one loadout
no bro i cant use carbine and burst cannon u cant have two burst weapons in one loadout

[vernal nebula]

If you’re using a pistol so you can shoot at range hi cal is going to struggle quite a bit

[wispy bluff]

dafaq is magnum

[vernal nebula]

Falloff starts at 8m

[wispy bluff]

what, the revolver?

i don't think it deservers that name

[jade dirge]

i just need something for distances slightly further than the hel shot

[wispy bluff]

Literally anything that isn't [Short Rifle], [Pump Shotgun], [Combat Shotgun] or [Scattergun].
These 4 got pretty short effective range. Short Rifle can shoot accurately at range, but damage fall off kicks in quick and will destroy the already subpar damage output.

[junior latch]

woa woah woah

short rifle effective range isnt that bad wtf

also normal shotty effective range isnt that bad

combat and scattergun tho ye

[mellow hedge]

We all know scattergun is the best long range weapon

[sharp owl]

gtfo is bad

[jade dirge]

gtfo is good

[blissful dome]

Well it's not really effective at any range so-

[junior latch]

joins server
flames game
???
Profit?

[junior latch]

eh its killing range and speed isnt necessarily too bad

[blissful dome]

M

[junior latch]

it just lacks stagger, a fitting range breakpoint and or actual dmg breakpoints

[blissful dome]

Just that? Wow the gun sure is amazing

[junior latch]

i mean the latter 2 just make it anywhere between slightly subpar (aka heavy ar) and eh

no stagger on top of that and being basically a full auto is just

[wispy bluff]

Its damage fall of starts at 8m.
Fucking pistol starts at 9m.
For a so called "rifle" - this is pathetic.

[blissful dome]

10/10 pick

Idk

[vernal nebula]

Yeah that’s why I don’t use the fucking pistol

[spring silo]

it is a "short" rifle, falloff should be 2m

[wispy bluff]

Short Rifle is an oxymoron

[blissful dome]

Hey at least if the damage falls off it'll hit a breakpoint eventually

[wispy bluff]

Only if "Short" means it got short, compact frame

[junior latch]

effective range isnt fall off range just saying

[wispy bluff]

BUt unfortunately it means both here

Burst Theory believer

[junior latch]

hel revo has a fall off range of 10 m but effective range is noticeably larger

[wispy bluff]

Yeah yeah blah blah

[jade dirge]

My question is why is the short rifle a soec

[wispy bluff]

Because they fucked the stats

[junior latch]

im not saying short rifle has good range

but its rly not as you described it

[wispy bluff]

I'm 99% certain it was supposed to fire in any other mode but semi

[junior latch]

:> no

[wispy bluff]

But someone snorted massive coke

[jade dirge]

Does it do particularly good damage?,

[wispy bluff]

NO.

IT DOES NOTHING.

ITS SHIT.

Fucking Main Drekker 556 "THe Rifle" is literally an upgrade.

[jade dirge]

it has low range, arthritis, low damage, and shit fire rate

plus it takes up a slot that could be used for a burst cannon

[rose nova]

its a 3 shot just like rifle
short rifle is basically rifle but with more mag reload and firerate

[wispy bluff]

Wrong on fire rate.

[rose nova]

and a bit less stagger

[wispy bluff]

It has same fire rate as Machine Pistol. Except its Semi.

[junior latch]

meh range, true, eh its rly just lacking the 5 dmg breakpoint, its firerate is insane

[rose nova]

the normal rifles is quite literally not an upgrade

[junior latch]

the rifle has "3" downsides
less bullets per refill
less firerate
smaller mag

[wispy bluff]

5.0 breakpoint on top of 22m damage fall off begs to differ

[junior latch]

the upsides are
better range
better stagger
better dmg breakpoint

rifle, per bullet does noticeably more

which is a meme considering rifle is a mid tier main thats not particularly known for being high per bullet output

[blissful dome]

I love my non breakpoint semi auto arbalist

[wispy bluff]

Heavy SMG and Arbalist might unironically become my "bored and unbothered" loadout of choice.

Heavy SMG + Heavy AR was the original idea, but HAR still rubs me all wrong.

buffbuffbufbuff

[lean forge]

underneath the mission name in expedition select, what does the [1, - , - , - ,] signify?

I have some of them with a higher number than 1 and not sure what it means

[rare stone]

Main Clear, Secondary Clear, Overload Clear, Prisoner Efficiency Clear (all objectives in the same run)

[lean forge]

so a higher value than 1 just means youve completed it more than once?

[vernal nebula]

3 dashes means there’s only a main objective

[rare stone]

yes

[lean forge]

thank you guys

[rare stone]

yeah a - just means that objective is not available for that mission

[lofty grotto]

lurks

[rare stone]

you're not lurking if you say something

doofus

[lofty grotto]

lurks harder

[rare stone]

ok

[lofty grotto]

Lol. How’s things?

[rare stone]

balls

[lofty grotto]

Ok

[rare stone]

[lofty grotto]

Smh

[wispy bluff]

[ , , , ]
is a completion counter, where:

= Main Objective - required to finish the mission and unlock Extraction.
= Secondary Objective - optional, usually acts like a mini-level within the level, occasionally might make the rest of the level harder upon completion.
= Overload Objective - optional, tends to be notably harder than previous 2 and also very often curses the rest of the level with additional difficulty modifiers: stronger enemy spawns, infinite passive alarms, fog, etc.
= Prisoner Efficiency - a medal for clearing all 3 within the same run, the expedition's final challenge.

[-] simply means that the objective type is not present.

Optional objectives are introduced in Rundown 4 and onwards.
Rundowns 1, 2 and 3 are Main only.

[weak yarrow]

hello

[wispy bluff]

Hey.

[weak yarrow]

как играть ?

play game?

[wispy bluff]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[wispy bluff]

Либо присоеденяйся к русскому дискорду #hc-europe message

[weak yarrow]

спасибо

[copper flare]

Quick question, does anyone know where in the settings to find the "make hud more compact"? (Had to reset all of my settings)

[rose nova]

its on HUD, theres a section that says HUD and there u can change the dimensions of ur health, ammo, objective stack etc etc

[copper flare]

yeah but everything still shows out of bounds. Example: i cannot see the percentage of ammo, what objective i have to do or what the different keybinds give me chat, etc

[rare stone]

set First-Person Inertia Amount to 0

nvm wait that's not the right one

HUD Skewing is the one, set that one to 0

[copper flare]

no offence but didnt change shit

[rare stone]

idk then

[copper flare]

have both of them set to 0

ill try to find out

[rare stone]

might have something to do with your monitor

[lusty river]

Resolution settings

[blissful dome]

Bro has a 1:1 ratio screen or smth

[copper flare]

3620 x 2263

thats the highest i have

[blissful dome]

What's the size of your screen

Higher doesn't mean better for this btw

:/

[copper flare]

ik, its just the fact that it always goes on default to the most optimized settings

[copper flare]

give me a sec on that one,

[blissful dome]

Ight

[copper flare]

Nvm, found the problem

apparently it had something to do with the model and its processor smh

[blissful dome]

Hm

[copper flare]

its good rn

maybe my GeForce messed something up cause it always goes automatic on best optimalization

still thanks for the help ❤️

[jade dirge]

hey IFO, whats your opinion on the special slot pistols

[blissful dome]

Revo is kinda mid rn

Hcp is

It's hcp

[jade dirge]

i like em both

[blissful dome]

No thoughts one shot small

[jade dirge]

i run hi cal with my hel shot personally

[blissful dome]

That works

[jade dirge]

hi cal is my favorite special weapon so far

[blissful dome]

Idk about that

[stark imp]

Revolver used to be great but they ruined the reloading animation in R8. I don't like breaking my wrists every time I reload so can't really use it anymore.

[jade dirge]

burst cannon is a bnit too sluggish, and the shotguns have bad range, hi cal is grand as a followup or a straggler snipe

[sharp owl]

we need to find a scout

[vernal nebula]

Relax, I prevented him from living

[rare stone]

WE NEED A FUCKING BIG SCOUT

[jade dirge]

yall looking for a jugger feeler?

[upbeat perch]

hello

[jade dirge]

afternoon

[upbeat perch]

trying to get back into the game so i might as well join the discord for advices if i need some

[latent palm]

GET TO THE FUCKING SCOUT

WE NEED A FUCKING SCOUT

[jade dirge]

i just started late last week, its really fun

[latent palm]

Time your move and proceed accordingly

Done games ez

[upbeat perch]

thats the hardest part when you're running with 4 baboons (including myself, my boyfriend and his 2 brothers)

[latent palm]

Go on

[upbeat perch]

one of us has the absolute URGE to just fire a gun

[latent palm]

Mhnm

Keep going

[upbeat perch]

then all hell breaks loose cause someone decided to shoot instead of poke or pop the head with their hitting sticks

they're brand new to gtfo

[latent palm]

[upbeat perch]

so tru

[vernal nebula]

Uhhh I don’t know where to even start with you. Do you even know who you’re talking to?

[latent palm]

Storming the beaches of normandi 1953

[upbeat perch]

i dont remember the scout was that super shotgun

[latent palm]

Who?

[jade dirge]

i understand the urge man, when your holding a deagle equivalent and your staring down a glaring weak spot, the trigger finger itches

[upbeat perch]

the brute HAS to die

just not with a revolver

[blissful dome]

The urge to bonk scout is much bigger

[jade dirge]

you look right at a rock head, you are holding a hand cannon, monke brain says do it

[lofty grotto]

Look at R8E2…. That place is Scatter heaven….

[jade dirge]

r7d2 is the mission you bring hel shot deniers too

[lofty grotto]

Perfect for plenty of room wakeups, scout shengians

[jade dirge]

i was a hel shot denier until r7d2, i no longer deny hel shot

[upbeat perch]

my group doesnt exactly prepare weapon wise :p

[blissful dome]

Level funny

[jade dirge]

i just run a stereotypical american build

[latent palm]

It takes failure and pratice to harden up a prisoner

[lofty grotto]

Still hate the shadows

[upbeat perch]

i'm very aware but i'm stubborn af

[jade dirge]

i have a shotgun and a hand cannon, a big fuck off hammer that makes the monke brain go ohoho, and bio gun since im hard of hearing

[upbeat perch]

i WANT to use the revolver knowing damn well my aim isnt the best

[blissful dome]

They were fine

[latent palm]

Then make that stubborn into patience and roll with it

[blissful dome]

Just use flashlight

Ong

[lofty grotto]

Can’t hear em

[jade dirge]

Magnum or hel

[blissful dome]

Revo is meh rn tbh

[upbeat perch]

uhhh hel

both

honestly

[blissful dome]

Hel revo is good

Special revo is meh

[upbeat perch]

i just wanna use a revolver ;w;

[jade dirge]

If you want to use the magnum revolver but can't aim, might I suggest hi cal

[rare stone]

special revo is fun

and gets a ton of ammo

[upbeat perch]

they're my favorite kind of gun

[rose nova]

who cares as long as ur havin fun >:3

[blissful dome]

But if you're bodying single smalls with hel revo you're going to suffer

[rose nova]

let ur sentry carry u

[jade dirge]

Its a lot like magnum revolver, but it instakills basic enemies and eats juggers for breakfast

[latent palm]

“Heres my iron sir”

[rose nova]

make ur teammates shoot more kmdksm

[blissful dome]

Ok but like

[upbeat perch]

i wish 😔

[blissful dome]

Anything bigger than a striker

[rose nova]

it deals with scouts\

smh

and they bigger

[jade dirge]

hey veemo, if you really like special revolver but cant hit heads, use hi cal

[blissful dome]

Clown ass

[rose nova]

very bad ifo very bad

[upbeat perch]

OH SCOUTS

I remember now

[blissful dome]

Smh my head

[rose nova]

:D

buddies

[upbeat perch]

fuck scouts

[rose nova]

:[

[latent palm]

Ayo?

[jade dirge]

it hits harder, has the same mag cap, and instantly kills biters, rock heads, and i think feelers too on a headshot

[upbeat perch]

oh wait no I dont remember shit about this game

[jade dirge]

can the hi cal instakill feelers on a headshot?

[blissful dome]

Warp get your mind out of the gutter

[upbeat perch]

holy hell I'm thinking of hybrids

fuck hybrids

not scouts my bad

[rose nova]

maybs ur thinkin of sammiches

🥪

[blissful dome]

Oh right revo does fine on chickens and hybrids

[latent palm]

[upbeat perch]

sammiches would be good

[rose nova]

i want

[upbeat perch]

what happened to that guy

[latent palm]

I really wana slur rn

[upbeat perch]

thats rude

[jade dirge]

veemo, i have advice

[rose nova]

wtf

[upbeat perch]

gimme

[latent palm]

Criminal activities

[blissful dome]

[rose nova]

the sammich guy? he opened a restaurant :3

[jade dirge]

you like hte magnum revolver, right?

[wispy bluff]

Strikers
Shooters
Scouts
Big Shooters
Big Strikers
Hybrids
[REDACTED]
[REDACTED]
[REDACTED]
[REDACTED]
[REDACTED]

Not rocket science

[upbeat perch]

ofc

[jade dirge]

you cant hit heads reliably, right?

[upbeat perch]

sometimes

[rose nova]

u know memory does things

[blissful dome]

You're missing a few redacted

[jade dirge]

use the hi cal pistol, its basically a deagle

[latent palm]

Arteks here

Yay

[upbeat perch]

sometimes i have god tier aim sometimes i'm helpless

[latent palm]

Everyone is

[rose nova]

i am bad with revo so i just try to hold hallways

[jade dirge]

the hi cal can instantly kill rock heads, biters, and if you cna hit a feelers massive fucking chrome dome they go down instantly too

its perfect for people that cant aim

[blissful dome]

Wtf is a rock head

[blissful dome]

What is a biter

[jade dirge]

like a biter but ranged

[rose nova]

instantly kill strikers and shooters*

[blissful dome]

I'm so confused

How do those

[jade dirge]

a biter is the mouth bastard that bites you

[blissful dome]

I

[rose nova]

dont ask

[quick spindle]

head full of rock

[blissful dome]

Nothing in this game bites you

:/

[blissful dome]

Oh so carbine users?

[quick spindle]

the slurpy thing does

[latent palm]

Big brown rock head juggas

[rose nova]

tongue have teeth

[jade dirge]

biters bite you, with their stupid biting tongue

[quick spindle]

rip carbine users

[blissful dome]

Am I wrong

[jade dirge]

does ifo even know about the mythical black feeler jugger?

[blissful dome]

No thought in head brrrt brrt brrt

[blissful dome]

What is wrong with you

[jade dirge]

nothing

[blissful dome]

Do you need to see a doctor

Are you having a stroke?

[jade dirge]

no im fine

[quick spindle]

hes ok

[blissful dome]

Right

[quick spindle]

thank you for worrying about his health

[latent palm]

I need to learn your call outs man

Cause if we gon play

[jade dirge]

its simple, if it bites you its a biter, if it shoots rocks at you its a rock head

[latent palm]

Theses names calls clap my cheeks even when i try reading them

[rose nova]

it doesnt shoot rocks

nor it haves rocks in the head

[jade dirge]

if its big and durable, its a juggernaut

[blissful dome]

Why

[jade dirge]

if its black and durable its a black jugger

[blissful dome]

Sleepy I'm going to scatter you

[jade dirge]

if its black, durable, and has tentacles its a black jugger feeler

[rose nova]

we had this convo of the names like 10 times already no one understand what those names mean ksmdkm

[jade dirge]

if its durable and shoots rocks its a rock head jugger

[latent palm]

Time to learn lil bro

Big black jugga

Big brown rock head jugga

[jade dirge]

its a simple line of logic: how does it kill you, how big is it, what color is it?

of course tehre are exceptions, like tumor backs

[latent palm]

Reject bull rush

Return to juggas

[junior latch]

yet your names are actually jibberish

and dont make sense

arent easy to call out

and confusing

[jade dirge]

its simple, yall just over complicate stuff

[latent palm]

Well you certainly wont play with em

[jade dirge]

how does it kill you and what does it look like

if its big, black, and doesnt have tentacles, its a black jugger

[latent palm]

Ill have to learn em cause he’s recruiting me

Dw sleepy i gotchu fam

Keep on calling them juggas

[jade dirge]

warp understands the simplicity of appearance based names

[junior latch]

biter? ok that we can see. BUT it also STRIKES you with the tounge. Canon name is striker
feeler, scout. Eh. Its scouting the area, but it has feelers, same here. BUT AGAIN canon name is scout
Giants -> juggernaut. Could work, if you didnt fucking shorten it to juggers. Also giants is easier to say
Chargers -> charge you. Going by colour (black) doesnt rly work
rock heads??? wtf. Its neither rocks, nor do they shoot rocks. They just fucking shoot -> shooters (quicker and easier to understand)

no warp is legit just trollin

[latent palm]

Wdym im all in for him

[junior latch]

sure

[latent palm]

[junior latch]

if you call them like that once when we play ill kick ya from steam

[rare stone]

if you can't aim
it's okay against giants

[burnt flume]

biter is an old term too iirc

[junior latch]

🔫

[burnt flume]

but no point reinventing the wheel

[lusty river]

Guys why are we feeding into the troll

[jade dirge]

the biter bites you with a biting tongue
the rock head has rocks in its head
juggernauts are big and durable
black juggers are just juggers with multiattack

[latent palm]

Oh shii i forgor

[jade dirge]

its very, very simple

[lusty river]

🥱

[rose nova]

b but its not rocks

[latent palm]

Uhhhh lemme pull up a spreadsheet

[rose nova]

they arent rocks

[junior latch]

you are either a troll or actually cant deal with logic

i feel like its the first the longer you type

[latent palm]

Haii yuki

[blissful dome]

The fuck you mean it's ok against giants

[jade dirge]

my dude the rock heads have shards of obsidian in their heads

[latent palm]

Yeah

[junior latch]

[latent palm]

They have meteorite stucj on their heada

[junior latch]

as someone who works with rocks
no

[burnt flume]

I don't even know which projectile firing enemy you're talking about

[rose nova]

no otherwise why they would be so weak on the head

[latent palm]

So theyre called rock heads

[wispy bluff]

Do they? They just look like spores to me

[latent palm]

[burnt flume]

but I guess dragons are rockbacks with their spines/bony protrusions then

[jade dirge]

they are weak in the head

[rose nova]

shooters have the weakest heads, they arent rocks

[latent palm]

U dont know that

[burnt flume]

I feel like near enough every mammal is weak in the head

[jade dirge]

the rocks just hurt them more when injured

[sharp owl]

gtfo is bad

[burnt flume]

wonder how that works...

[junior latch]

kaiser just shut it
go back to shlorpin

[jade dirge]

this game has dragons?

[latent palm]

Fine

[burnt flume]

maybe

[latent palm]

If u dont kick me off steam

[sharp owl]

behave

[jade dirge]

cant wait to slay a dragon

[latent palm]

Then ill be happy goonin in a corner

[blissful dome]

I wonder why

[jade dirge]

also, whats the mod that adds a sword?

[junior latch]

beth typin

[jade dirge]

is it just cosmetic or is it a whole new thing

[junior latch]

[blissful dome]

A lot of them

They can be cosmetic

Or not

[jade dirge]

can you tell me one thats just cosmetic

i really want a sword

[blissful dome]

I don't use mods

[burnt flume]

why would you take a sword and hit it into a rock

it makes no sense

[latent palm]

@upbeat sail “search GtFo fatal experiment 2 on google”

[burnt flume]

there is 0 consistency

[vernal nebula]

Takes more than one fully charged hit to a giant shooter to kill

[wispy bluff]

I opened steam card High Res picture of a shooter

I'm fairly certain those are weird forms of spores, not shards

[blissful dome]

Sniper/scatter players

[wispy bluff]

Very round and smooth, like eggs

[blissful dome]

Wait sorry

[wispy bluff]

So at best sporeheads is a superior name

[vernal nebula]

With melee I meant of course

[blissful dome]

Scatter players and sniper

[latent palm]

Shhh theyre definitely rock’s artek

Theyre just shaped the same

To save texture

[blissful dome]

Drug enjoyers

[vernal nebula]

Scatter players charging their weapon

[jade dirge]

oh that is a very, very large modpack that seems like it rebalances a looooot of stuff

[rose nova]

they still have a weaker head than giants, but they have more general HP

[jade dirge]

i cant even think of touching that until i beat the base game

[burnt flume]

rocks are shaped like all sorts of things https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Mount_Rushmore_detail_view_(100MP).jpg/1200px-Mount_Rushmore_detail_view_(100MP).jpg

[blissful dome]

Hmmmm

So technically

The us presidents are in the shapes of rocks

[burnt flume]

is this a rock https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Gilbert_Stuart_Williamstown_Portrait_of_George_Washington.jpg

[jade dirge]

the 4 in mount rushmore are

[blissful dome]

Myea

Ok

[vernal nebula]

Mount Rushmore discussion finally

[latent palm]

Embed failed = ip grab

[burnt flume]

I think if physicists realised just how dense you are we'd know a lot more about the universe

[blissful dome]

Goddam

[latent palm]

[jade dirge]

i know im dense, my head doesnt have rocks on it so its incredibly durable

[junior latch]

shooters cant be anything with rocks since there are no rocks in them and they dont shoot rocks

its more likely they shoot freakin potatos than rocks. Trust me id know (for both of those)

[jade dirge]

ive accidentally broken a wooden board by falling and hitting my head on it, so i consider it quite durable

[blissful dome]

Bros 15head about to collapse into a black hole

[burnt flume]

please don't try replying to my messages again

[latent palm]

@jade dirge im all about that rock head game dude

I used to call them chickens tho

[jade dirge]

danke

[latent palm]

Wonder how that name went to shooters

[junior latch]

people call them chickens

well the big shooters

[jade dirge]

rock heads are the elite name for the rock headed enemies

[junior latch]

because they kinda look like one and its a quick meme name

[quasi pine]

chickens are the weakest enemy in the game

[junior latch]

also idfk know why you tend to write random ass german words

@quasi pine gotta balance it out considering that shooters are the strongest

[latent palm]

I just go with turkeys on big shooters

[lusty river]

Chickens have that massive cake for no reason 😩

[wispy bluff]

German funny

[quasi pine]

tru

[jade dirge]

because half my family is german

[latent palm]

[junior latch]

that explains why none of this is funny
german humor is no laughing matter

[jade dirge]

its just force of habit i suppose

[jade dirge]

who's being humorous?

[latent palm]

Dude as much as i stand with you call outs

[jade dirge]

these names are the ones i genuinely use, its easy for me to remember and i can come up with them on the spot just by looking at some new creature

[latent palm]

U gotta slow down a bit tho

[junior latch]

considering how obvious any of these points are i can only see your "arguments" as an attempt to be funny (like kaiser rn)

[jade dirge]

you got shades, the wierd shadow demons

[junior latch]

like shades

[latent palm]

Ur getting ahead of your self a lil over board

[junior latch]

thats one thats understandable

similar to biter

or feeler

[jade dirge]

my names just make sense, your starting to see it

[latent palm]

Ik

But u gotta slow down bratha

[jade dirge]

biters bite you, feelers feel you, shades are literal shadows

[junior latch]

im saying they are understandable

since those are names used at rare times by a few people already.

the rest are actually ass

[wispy bluff]

I can only allow biter, and i agree that "shade" is a much cooler name than "shadow"

[junior latch]

no ill intent but bruh

[wispy bluff]

But there are no rocks. At least not in enemies that have legs.

[latent palm]

Shaders

[jade dirge]

im just naming that which i have encountered, i gotta have some name for it to refer to it

[quasi pine]

as long as the names are distinct and quick to say

it’s a good name

[latent palm]

Btw @quasi pine u got R4C3 yet?

[quasi pine]

no I’ve taken a break from gtfo for the past few days

[jade dirge]

Fine then, rock heads are now spots

[blissful dome]

Smh my head

Where's the grind

[latent palm]

Thats understandable

[quasi pine]

we died after the main door bc a bbc was blocking a hallway and we only had 3 players

[jade dirge]

You got biters, spots, feelers, juggers, and all the variants of them

[blissful dome]

This is a skill issue

[quasi pine]

you are strange

[blissful dome]

Bring scatter if you can't melee

[latent palm]

Ayo? Spots from miles morales spider man far from home!?

[jade dirge]

A single, quick word to know what it is

[quasi pine]

scout woke up the room and 5 other BBC

lol

[latent palm]

Dayum where is standlee

[blissful dome]

Sucks

[quasi pine]

not much we coulda done

[jade dirge]

combine names to name new things, see a spot the size of a jugger? spot jugger

[latent palm]

Well theyre reddish in colorings

[jade dirge]

juggernaut but black and multiattack? black jugger, its simple, what is it and what does it do

[latent palm]

Call em turkeys my guy

[latent palm]

Call em mike tysons

[jade dirge]

nope

[quasi pine]

chargers are the coolest enemy type

[latent palm]

And the normal variant being juggas

[quasi pine]

so far imo

[jade dirge]

a single quick word to name what it is

[quasi pine]

idk if anything wacky is introduced past fliers

[latent palm]

Meat balls

[jade dirge]

if its a jugger but its black, its a black jugger, its quick, its simple, and it tells you exactly what your looking at

[grizzled bison]

has anyone laughed at any of your jokes or are you just going off of momentum

[jade dirge]

whos joking here, this is the naming system i use

[grizzled bison]

you literally used normal names originally

[jade dirge]

even in vermintide, i just name things based on what they look like

[latent palm]

Why did we change from chugger and not chugga

[junior latch]

shooter

10/10 get skill difft

[jade dirge]

that makes no sense, it doesnt have a gun

it has spots on its head, so its a spot

[latent palm]

Based

[junior latch]

actual troll

[burnt flume]

Yes and you have a stick up your arse so you're ArseStick

[quasi pine]

I usually cannibalize the bridge trolls

[outer lantern]

I think they prefer african american jugger actually

[rare stone]

idk use it more

🤓

[junior latch]

nono pachi you gotta complicate it for no reason

[blissful dome]

:/

Dumbass still trolling

When will it end

[latent palm]

No i think theyre pouterican juggas

[jade dirge]

these things arent people, they dont have preferences, the infected are monsters that serve solely as an obstacle

[outer lantern]

lol

[burnt flume]

Is TwiggerButt better?

[jade dirge]

bludgeon bonk or shoot as needed, find the objective and make it to evac

[latent palm]

FOR DA WARDENNNNN

[quasi pine]

for rock and stone

[vernal nebula]

Fuck the warden

[latent palm]

ROCKS AND STONE

[outer lantern]

fuck the warden 🤤

[quasi pine]

idk man the warden’s been fine

I get task I do task 👽

[vernal nebula]

ITEM(S) REQUIRED TO SCAN: girlfriend

[quasi pine]

😔

[outer lantern]

not a single player here would pass that scan

[latent palm]

Wdym fuck the guy whose giving me work loads. Im starving for content

[quasi pine]

my girlfriend goes to another dimension

[jade dirge]

the warden gives us free bullets, free guns, armor after every mission, and drugs if we bring him cool rocks

[latent palm]

Free healthcare

[quasi pine]

Crystal meth

[latent palm]

Woah not that far

[quasi pine]

wtf are the warden artifacts anyway

[jade dirge]

cool rocks that we trade for performance enhancing drugs

we get more durable, better bullets, and cooler flashlights in exchange for the rocks

[latent palm]

Theyre candies

You collect them for trick or treat

[jade dirge]

warp, question

is the hel rifle just a better hi cal or nah

or hel gun, either works

[unreal crystal]

you talk a lot friend

[latent palm]

Hel rifle

[jade dirge]

yes, talking is fun

[wispy bluff]

To an extent an argument can be made, yes

[latent palm]

Did you even got through r1b2 yesterday?

[jade dirge]

i never pulled it off

[latent palm]

Nope

[jade dirge]

me and frost tried it but my wifi died

[latent palm]

Then just go ham with high cal on that level

[jade dirge]

oh, hi cal is just one of the best special weapons?

also, is slug shot any decent or is it one of those headshot only weapons

[latent palm]

No but it definitely serves it purpose for bringing versatility on the table

It has a pretty good depiction of what a effective range of a pistol is

[wispy bluff]

Mag 6 > 5
Reload time 2.5 > 3.2
Fall off 8m > 40m
Prec 0.74 > 0.73
Pierce N/A > x6

[latent palm]

Easily noticed by it not oneshotting a shooter at 7m+

[jade dirge]

what weapon are these stats for

[latent palm]

High cal to hel rifle

[jade dirge]

another very, very important factor: whats the max ammo of the hel rifle

hi cal holds like 60 shots at 100%

[wispy bluff]

Ammo/load ratio is notably worse, but the range and pierce combo are not to be understimated. Especially if you need a 30dmg utility gun.
High cal is reliable, but has nothing particularly worthy of praise other than +1 extra bullet on refills.

[latent palm]

Higher than high cal

[wispy bluff]

Nope

[jade dirge]

im going to the hel rifle then, whats a good sidearm for hte main slot

[latent palm]

When you think about the ammo economy it brings artek

[wispy bluff]

HRifle 28 bullets at 100%
HCP 31 bullet at 100%
High Cal receives 10 bullets on refill, Rifle gets 9

[junior latch]

pierce would be x1 to x6 (well x5 since x6 doesnt even work iirc)

[jade dirge]

uhh, warp? the wiki says hel rifle only has 23 reserve

[wispy bluff]

High Cal is a reliable and simple to use little bastard, but HEL Rifle gets insane value if it finds the right opportunity.

[junior latch]

reading comprehension

reserve

plus mag

[jade dirge]

thats 28

[junior latch]

= 28

[latent palm]

Ima be real with you @jade dirge you either be a jacked out quad kill gatherer or go home with 23%/13%

[blissful dome]

23+5

[jade dirge]

still, thats 28

hi cal gets twice that

[latent palm]

Thats all im sayin bout the hel rifle

[blissful dome]

Uh

[junior latch]

honestly even if you take away the pen hel rifle is very very competetive with high cal

[blissful dome]

Sorry what the fuck?

[junior latch]

reading comprehension @jade dirge

[latent palm]

Maximizing kill potential and pen is amazing

[jade dirge]

hi cal gets 60 bullets at 100%

[wispy bluff]

Imho looking at these stats it does somewhat feel that HEL Rifle is a superior gun. Sure, the ammoload ratio ain't great and you can get killed with your pants down, but when does that ever happen...

[junior latch]

ye hel rifle is rly strong for a reason

[junior latch]

@jade dirge reading comprehension

[blissful dome]

Real prisoners run choke mod

[latent palm]

Never got nerf and i love to have it stay there forever

[wispy bluff]

SO uh... When are we buffing high cal to mag of 7 and refill of 12

[latent palm]

Alt R1

[jade dirge]

wait hi cal only gets 31? it feels way higher

[junior latch]

why would you buff high cal

[jade dirge]

yeah im swapping to hel rifle

[blissful dome]

Trolling

[wispy bluff]

I just told you why

[latent palm]

Ehe

[junior latch]

you didnt?

[jade dirge]

now i need a pistol for my main slot, whats a decent one?

[junior latch]

high cal is already a gun thats very good

[blissful dome]

Bro has burned every ammopack in the level

[wispy bluff]

#gtfo-chat message

[blissful dome]

Hel revo

[junior latch]

thats not a reason

thats just point at hel rifle being very good

[latent palm]

Hel revo ir just plain ol pistol

[wispy bluff]

So nerf HEL Rifle instead is what you're saying

[junior latch]

not necessarily

[latent palm]

No pls no

[jade dirge]

ive already got a slow heavy hitter, i need something a smidge swifter for dealing with hordes

[wispy bluff]

They're not equal

...therefore...

snip snip

[junior latch]

guns dont need to be perfectly equal

lol

[wispy bluff]

Yes they do.

[junior latch]

no

lol

[wispy bluff]

That's the golden state of balance.

[blissful dome]

Tf do you think hel revo is

[latent palm]

Exact change

[junior latch]

you cant perfectly balance unless you balance them all for 1 person

[latent palm]

[wispy bluff]

We are not a power progression game with level 1 weapons vs level 90 weapon

[jade dirge]

a single target beast

[burnt flume]

If every gun is the same then no gun is good

[blissful dome]

:/

[jade dirge]

well, single small target, its basically a hand sniper

[blissful dome]

...

[burnt flume]

If every gun is the same then guns are not fun

[blissful dome]

Single has to be the funniest way I've heard hel revo described

[junior latch]

dw the issue is reading comprehension and comprehension in general

[jade dirge]

It only hits one or 2 targets per shot

[latent palm]

Uhhh @jade dirge i think you missed the whole Hel point

[jade dirge]

Sure if you hit a head they're screwed but

Hel revolver only penetrates one target right?

[burnt flume]

The problem is that someone who is misinformed is trying to be authorative while lacking fundamental knowledge

[jade dirge]

Those large words just make you more confusing

[latent palm]

You asked for a side arm to cover up if you dont get enough on high cal

[junior latch]

high cal is a lot easier to get into and has less down time between shots

if youd wanna do balance tweaks for both guns this is smth you could do (hel rifle would still stay noticeably better)

high cal, reduce the random ass kick a bit. increase fire rate slightly
hel rifle, decrease pen to x3 (doesnt rly nerf it too much honestly)

[latent palm]

And hel revo is good for both of which eva and ifo said already

[jade dirge]

I'm swapping hel rifle, but isn't hel revolver a single target main gun?

[wispy bluff]

Imho i would tighten up hipfire on high cal too

[jade dirge]

It's a pick off weapon

[wispy bluff]

By about... 30%

[pallid anvil]

you get used to the kick very fast though not that it is a problem

[wispy bluff]

Keep it in line with ideas behind the rest of pistols

[latent palm]

Main weapons are used as good up times so you can throw out some more dmg then run back for reloads

[wispy bluff]

Actuall.... Yeah. Yeah, that would make it a unique alternative to HR

[jade dirge]

Kick isn't a problem at all

[latent palm]

Yes but its used as a pen weapon as well

Because of its amazing uptime as well

[jade dirge]

It only has one pen tho doesn't it?

[latent palm]

Reload canceling and allat

[junior latch]

im not saying any of those are issues
this would be an attempt to make high cal even easier to use and make pen less insane of a value booster

[latent palm]

2 pen exactly

[jade dirge]

So ot can hit 3 people per shot?

[latent palm]

No

[jade dirge]

?

[junior latch]

this one is also a similar idea

anyway

high cal doesnt need buffs

[latent palm]

1 means the bullet stops at the first target hit

[junior latch]

hel rifle doesnt rly need nerfs

[wispy bluff]

On a level like R2D2 HR is such a direct upgrade its not even funny

[jade dirge]

2 pen means passes through 2 targets and stops on the third doesn't it?

[latent palm]

2 means it pierces 2

[jade dirge]

Yes

[latent palm]

It stops on the 2nd guy

[junior latch]

2 pen means it pens into a 2nd target

[jade dirge]

That means it pens one target, since it never exits guy w

[latent palm]

^

[jade dirge]

Guy 2*

[latent palm]

Mhnm

[jade dirge]

0 pen is no targets exited

[latent palm]

Lets say it hits 2 guys

[latent palm]

U hit the wall

[jade dirge]

Hel revolver hits 2 people per bullet

[latent palm]

8dmg

[jade dirge]

One guy, then one guy behind him

[latent palm]

Enough to stagger

Wait eva

I almost forgot got

Like if hel rifle stays the same cause of its high fall off

[jade dirge]

Hel rifle has 40 meters of fall off, that's super low dude, it travels for ages

[latent palm]

Then does the 2nd hit of hel revo get less dmg if the 2nd guys too far?

[analog flicker]

[jade dirge]

That's like 40 yards, that's a good distance for a complex

[latent palm]

Ive rarely used it cause of flashlight issues

[junior latch]

thats better directed at @quartz cape or @grizzled bison
they the ones who did the funny pen pic iirc

[jade dirge]

That's not aggressive falloff at all

The main issue I have with hel revolver, while it is good and it has good damage, is a long reload

[latent palm]

What i meant was 40m the dmg stays the same throughout everything it hit

[analog flicker]

learn reload cancel

[latent palm]

HUH

LONG!?

HUH

HUH

[jade dirge]

Oh, you said it has high falloff so I thought you meant aggressive falloff

[junior latch]

kaiser

he doesnt know shit about the game

you think hed actually know about reload cancels?

hes new

[latent palm]

Not even that

[junior latch]

dont think anybody told him

[jade dirge]

The revolver only gets 8 shots then 1-2 seconds of reloading

[junior latch]

hel revo reload is long if you dont cancel

[latent palm]

Hel revo reloads is amazing

[high orchid]

hel revolver gets it's ammo before the animation finishes so you can cancel the animation by like switching weapons to get a faster uptime @jade dirge

[junior latch]

@north hinge 2.3 seconds is long

[jade dirge]

The fuck?

[latent palm]

Even 1st time using it

Id learn to like slow cancel it already

[jade dirge]

Is the base pistol/burst pistol any decent?

I've been thinking about branching out some

[latent palm]

Pistol is good generally

Burst?

[analog flicker]

pistol is better

burst pistol is lacking

[jade dirge]

Is the non-hel machine pistol any good?

[high orchid]

I'd say the base pistol is good, gets 5 kills per clip (1 headshot 2 body per striker) and has decent stagger

[latent palm]

Good stagger u mean

[analog flicker]

higher RoF smg

shorter range

[jade dirge]

Is the smg good?

[junior latch]

"is the xxx" good

[analog flicker]

lower precision

[latent palm]

Vs pdw nah

[junior latch]

when theres actual tierlists

[blissful dome]

The automatics are shit

Tbh here

[jade dirge]

I want a pistol decent for mid to short range

[blissful dome]

Hel revo

[jade dirge]

I figured but can't hurt to ask

[latent palm]

And yet i rack up kills x2 than you do

[analog flicker]

pistol or take hel revo

[jade dirge]

Pistol it is, danke solace

[high orchid]

heavy smg feels pretty nice to use, has the highest damage for an automatic weapon, and has damage fall off start at 7m iirc

[jade dirge]

Hsmg is nice I agree

[analog flicker]

heavy smg is a better AR

[blissful dome]

Oh no

[blissful dome]

Uhuh

[latent palm]

Switch when

[junior latch]

a better AR doesnt mean much

[analog flicker]

shush you hel gun teamkiller

[junior latch]

when AR is bottom of the barrel

[blissful dome]

uwu

[latent palm]

Man id never do that to you

[high orchid]

how could you use hel gun when the omneco lrg hel rifle exists

[latent palm]

Best oomfie i could ask for in the complex