gtfo-chat

[hybrid cloak]

Depends on the lvl n the rundown

[quasi pine]

i want to find some people to do r2d2 with

[gaunt lichen]

We talking special shotty? Imo currently it lacks identity, its feels nice as a gun for pushing on moving scans but thats it, you're pretty much better off using any other 30 dmg special due to range.

[hybrid cloak]

Kind of unpopular rn
Also time period
Server is less active at this time

[quasi pine]

oof

[shut vapor]

Also don't post D tier in beginners

[quasi pine]

why?

[shut vapor]

Does D tier sounds beginner to you?????

[hybrid cloak]

Arent u supposed to blend in

[quasi pine]

is it beginner in terms of experience or level number

i'm not that great at the game yet

[shut vapor]

A and B tier missions are the beginner friendly levels

If you can get through that with a lobby of beginners then you might as well have graduated from beginner to ready to play without other beginners.

As stupid as it sounds with how much you won't know yet, you aren't a true beginner anymore

Think about the people who have just bought the game and their first experience is a D tier mission 😔

[quasi pine]

i've pretty much only been playing with a buddy and two bots

[high orchid]

I'd suggest you ignore rundown 5 if you don't want to learn the game in hard mode

it's a wild rundown to go into completely new to the game

[shut vapor]

I did an experiment where I joined an r2e1 lobby that was posted in beginners pretending to be completely new to the game having just finished the tutorial and these people struggled to get through the first door. They needed professional help 💀

[high orchid]

bruh that's wild

[shut vapor]

Posting in NA or EU would have guaranteed them some good players who could help

[quasi pine]

i've been doing things in order

[shut vapor]

They told me after I revealed myself that they posted there hoping for a good player to join and take pity on them

[high orchid]

why not post in NA/EU then??

[shut vapor]

All you have to do is say "I'm struggling, come help pls :("

[pine root]

Yeah lfg is pretty good about getting people up to speed

[shut vapor]

I guess they might be worried about toxic pros coming in and getting pissy because they aren't as good

[high orchid]

are there even that many toxic people in lfg?

[shut vapor]

i don't play enough pubs to know

[high orchid]

I don't play pubs often but I've only had a bad encounter once

and it was just a guy treating the game like a speedrun

[pine root]

Ehhh the really toxic ones tend to spend this game with themselves

[shut vapor]

The last real bad experience I had was in OG R5C2 PE where a closet cheater was trying to hide his instakill cheats

[quasi pine]

what is there even to be toxic about in this game?

or is it just elitism?

[pine root]

Why the fuck did you eat all the disinfection as a hel rev mg player when we are doing cell skip

you aren’t shooting the sleepers

You go afk and leave me to clear trash until you want to do the next part

a few reasons to get annoyed

[quasi pine]

that just sounds like intentional trolling

i'll just pretend like i understand what the hell that first one means though lol

[high orchid]

r5e1

[pine root]

Essentially you are just spending resources when you shouldn’t be

[pine root]

Idk where the line is for intentional trolling

at a certain point they just don’t know

[shut vapor]

If you give a warning beforehand and they continue to be deadweight afterwards, then being annoyed is justifiable

If you say "hey are you able to help me clear the rooms" and they apologise and help then they might have just tabbed out to check a message on their phone or smth

[pine root]

yeah idk I think a lot more people would enjoy this game if they treated it more like a game and less like a role play simulator

[high orchid]

or if they just completely disregard how everyone else in the group wants to play and just blast through shit

[pine root]

Generally I am thinking about one player

[shut vapor]

I wouldn't know who you are thinking about

😔

Im not a mind reader

[pine root]

A certain fish and or instrument and Beth

[quasi pine]

i am

🧠

do sniper turrets prioritize giants

[pine root]

Ehhh it depends on the lobby and the map if you join certain lobbies they are just gonna be fast players

It is hard to turn it off sometimes and still do things for players

[high orchid]

I can agree with that but there's just playing fast and not caring about alerting shit

[lost lynx]

people posting R8E2 in begginers LFG:

[high orchid]

and I've encountered that a bit

[shut vapor]

The literal final level

[pine root]

Yeah but the thing is unless you are in d and e tier levels it really doesn’t matter that much

[quasi pine]

a simple endeavor 👽

[pine root]

Also some people don’t understand fast stealth

[high orchid]

that is true

[quasi pine]

honestly i just want to learn from playing with good players

[pine root]

Play r7d2

They will come

[mystic moss]

^^^^

[pine root]

What other level is hot rn

[vestal crystal]

none are, not even r7d2 from my experience recently

lot of players just running straight back after grabbing stick, getting mad about pulling tank zone A

[mystic moss]

people gravitate towards other people

[quasi pine]

i'm playing the levels in order though

[pine root]

Then just post we go fast your level

That worked for a bit

[lost lynx]

R1A1 speedrun

[quasi pine]

hmmm

[pine root]

Don’t speed run that level

Reset simulator

[quasi pine]

why?

[vestal geyser]

what level isn't

[pine root]

R7e1

[quasi pine]

reset simulator?

why would it be a reset simulator

it's the very first level

[mystic moss]

speedrunning relies on key spawn rng

[vestal geyser]

fair enough lol

[pine root]

You need key g b or a and you need b hsu

[vestal crystal]

was r4e1 reset simulator

too bad someone had colored name and maul 😔

[mystic moss]

i mean they're obv a cheater

[pine root]

No unless you wanted 1 cycle reactor (no one wanted it )

[quasi pine]

how tf do you skip the startup sequence'

[vestal geyser]

not the reactor

r4e1 has a funny error alarm

you one cycle that

[quasi pine]

where do you enter the lobby code to join a game

[pine root]

Well kinda correct just r4e1 reactors is weird but essentially you don’t need to ever repeat codes if you are good enough and get one rng spot

[vestal geyser]

wait really

i didnt know you could no repeat

surely the cell code whatever it is requires repeats

[pine root]

Na

[vestal geyser]

wtf

[pine root]

you need A cell spawn and to 50/50 the terminal in b

Then the secret is you wait the maximum amount of time to type in code 4

This allows you to walk the cell and be in a good spot for code 6

[vestal geyser]

that's wild

[pine root]

Where you also need to 50/50 the terminal

[vestal geyser]

does r4e1 sec get run?

kinda want to see some of this

[pine root]

Yeah only by one team

[jovial oracle]

host it and I'll play it, rarely see people doing that level

[pine root]

Toxic clique

[vestal geyser]

lol

[pine root]

Tbh sometime in the summer I kinda want to run the entire game

[jovial oracle]

pray this game isnt fully dead for summer lol

[lusty river]

Wait what's maul? (gen. curious)

[pine root]

I feel like we could do it in like 36 hours

[vestal geyser]

i remember there were full rundown runs back in early access every now and then

[vestal geyser]

sounds disgusting ngl

in sequence or out?

cause ending on r8e2 after all that sounds miserable

[pine root]

If I was thinking well we would do all e tiers all pes then all the rest

[vestal geyser]

makes sense

mentally afk by the time you get to a-tiers but should be ok by then

[pine root]

But all of rundown 1-3 is like 5 and a half hours

@mystic moss didn’t your marathon go poorly

[mystic moss]

1-3 took me 11 hours

r6 took me 10ish

[pine root]

But you lfg it right?

[mystic moss]

yeah

[vestal geyser]

like this lfg?

cursed lmao

[mystic moss]

yeah lfg-na

[pine root]

yeah

[mystic moss]

nah i got vet rizz so i attracted other vets

[pine root]

R4 and r5 is the only thing I am scared about in the marathon

Idk how much time they would take

[vestal geyser]

would you allow checkpoints?

[mystic moss]

the goal is just beating the game in one sitting

but i think perma death would make it interesting

[lost lynx]

hello Yuki

[pine root]

no downs entire game one sitting no damage no medi

[mystic moss]

like if your teammate dies it becomes a trio and so on

[vestal geyser]

ironman run of the whole game would actually be nuts

even if it was just wipes only

[mystic moss]

i could see it happening
the hardest part is literally just staying awake

[pine root]

Yeah

I feel like we could get a team together that is degenerate enough to spend like two days on it

But shooter bug goes hard

Ngl

[lusty river]

Hi Pable 🙂

[pine root]

Beth gerz used a colour name / maul mod(hammer reskin) in a pretty good speed run the was accused of cheating by the other team who ran r4e1

[vestal crystal]

the maul hammer skin

nvm i wasnt scrolled down

[sharp owl]

lolol

[half jungle]

No boosters were used, solo gameplay with bots.
I can't play ALT://R2B4 with other people because of a technical problem with my computer, so here is a video of me completing the mission solo with bots. I complete the mission in just under 40 minutes. I use the terminal to determine which zone to find the fog turbine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5jRVumiTMc

[mystic moss]

proo

[vernal nebula]

Love helping out folks with R2E1

Hopefully I can get that same help to clear R5E1 at some point haha

[mystic moss]

it doesn't work that way 😔

[vernal nebula]

Haha I’ll beat it yet, took a break from it today

[pine root]

0.0

[vernal nebula]

I mean hey I've done R1-4 and R8E1, I can handle another E tier

[pine root]

We got you

[mystic moss]

who's we

[pine root]

You and tru

Not me

[vernal nebula]

✌️

[latent palm]

Shame on you to leave the complex and go with bread on his 10k+ quota run

[pine root]

I still play gtfo

But man this game sucks the energy out of me atm

[latent palm]

True

It isn’t always fun having to bait dogs and giants off for breads loot backs

Highest standing i got from pubs was 251

[sharp owl]

do not play then, at all, play something you find fun

[pine root]

Sometimes I do have fun still but pubbing sounds likes self harm atm

[sharp owl]

isnt it always

[pine root]

It has been for a while

[shut vapor]

Make some horrendous level for gtfo

[tall hawk]

gtfr makes every single one horrendous

[shut vapor]

Idk what that mod actually does

[wraith marsh]

wish ppl pubbed mods more

[tall hawk]

random tiles, enemies, alarm classes and whatnot

[tall hawk]

would that even be allowed

[pine root]

Technically not here

[wraith marsh]

in the modding server, ofc

this game will die before they allow it here lmao

[tall hawk]

dead server

at least in terms of lfg

[mystic moss]

how long until the gtfo server dies

place your bets

[tall hawk]

some new players just starting out

• den of wolves might bring some new players if they bother figuring out 10cc made gtfo and are interested

[pine root]

6 months

[pine root]

Always has been

[tall hawk]

true

[latent palm]

Uhhh

Mushroom force seed randomized

R4D2 scammed us

After class VII was a dead end

[glad python]

hello

do checkpoints persist across sessions?

like if we leave 2 hrs into a level does it save?

[runic jetty]

no unfortunately

[glad python]

RIP

[runic jetty]

yeah you gotta do it in one session

[pine root]

What level

[glad python]

R6D1

[pine root]

There used to be players that would afk

In r7b3 for 12 hours on end

[glad python]

we just got to the gravedigger boss but my friend had to leave

[runic jetty]

wow

[pine root]

Oof

[glad python]

then i couldn't rejoin so we're ragequitting rn

[pine root]

Well you got it next time

Way faster than 2 hours

[runic jetty]

also do either of you have advice on r1c1 me and a few buds have been stuck on it for a while lol

[pine root]

What tools do you use

Where do you hold

What weapons do you use

[latent palm]

3 sentries and 1 bio to top it off defense

[runic jetty]

mostly burst turrets and one detech and high cal pistols with carbines

[latent palm]

Use long range and Hel properties weapons for better economic ammunition

[pine root]

Where do you hold?

[runic jetty]

and we've tried holding on the bridge for the most part

[glad python]

yeah it really wasn't that bad but we just didn't know anything about the level

[latent palm]

Good

But you have to spend time between team mates

To venture out to grab resources

[pine root]

Why do you be struggling with it is it the big waves that get you

[latent palm]

For the waves

[runic jetty]

its the waves plus having to runback and verify the reactor

[latent palm]

Thats why

[pine root]

Only one dude needs to do that

[latent palm]

1 man stays and the other goes for resources

Preferably the guy who has his sentries out placed

[runic jetty]

gotcha

[latent palm]

So u dont have to glue him to a specific spot

And blame each other “i was standing there like you asked”

[pine root]

Do you have all real players or bots

[runic jetty]

real players but a couple of em are newer so pretty much bots we've made our way through rundown one but this is they're first reactor

so they have a few issues

[pine root]

Yeah of you are confident you can just solo the waves with hel gun

[latent palm]

Hel rifle*

[runic jetty]

gotcha also whats the best high powered weapon for the big bois

[latent palm]

Like i just said

Hel rifle

Just dont head shot them

[runic jetty]

ah gotcha well that'll definitely help then also why not headshot em?

[latent palm]

Hel= the ammunition or type of that weapon has piercing properties

You deal the same dmg through a line of enemies

In which the hel gun is 4

The hel rilfe is 6

[runic jetty]

ah that makes sense

[latent palm]

Pair that with the dmg output and boom einstein you got a ammo economic gunner

[runic jetty]

well thats good to know

[latent palm]

Small tip for using hel guns

Look away from the wave for 2s

Theyll line up for you

[runic jetty]

really? well that'll help a bunch if they line up

[latent palm]

Whatchu waiting for

Drop down with bots and test it out

[runic jetty]

oh boy im not that good to do that shit solo ill do something wrong lol

[latent palm]

It really isn’t

The bots dont spend that much ammo

So theyre good on starting ammo for like

3 reactor waves

[runic jetty]

really? i didnt know they conserved ammo that well i dont play solo much

[latent palm]

Apart from being the friend that you know that theyre trying theyre best but its almost like 0

They are a god on bio

Just sayin

[runic jetty]

alrighty i may run it after im done with my unity project im working on ill see how far i get

[stiff trail]

Is there a booster that affect stamina, mobility etc?

[vestal crystal]

no

[crude bay]

Sadly...no

I miss terminal speed boosters

[topaz ridge]

#gtfo-media

[lofty steeple]

is there like, a super guide on sleepers and their behaviour? i was having fun going blind but losing runs because of sudden feeling anomolous behaviour is super unfun

sleepers going red when ages away from ones ive melee'd, or going red when standing still once they're pulsing etc

[sharp owl]

probably

short guide is enemies will wake up if u kill a guy within like 1 meter, enemies cant get aggro'd long distance if they're not glowing, u can shine ur light across a bunch of dudes to sync them meaning they'll all be not glowing at the same time so u can move/kill without repercussion

[topaz ridge]

ive had that when i got a server desync

[sharp owl]

learn breakpoints for melee weapons and enemies

[topaz ridge]

it happens sometimes but i couldnt find any solutions

[topaz ridge]

also killing an enemy while youre in line of sight of another enemy will wake them up too

[sharp owl]

also crouching and uncrouching counts as movement

which can trigger pulsing enemies

[rare stone]

they're blind 🤓

[topaz ridge]

but they have an aggro range

[rare stone]

yes

it's a big circle around them (range depending on the state they're in)

[lofty steeple]

ive had sleepers many times go aggro when well further away from eachother

glowin or not glowing

[rare stone]

long range aggro

[lofty steeple]

but if they can aggro while glowing i guess its desync/?

[topaz ridge]

check #gtfo-media

theres the wiki

a kill within 15 meters in front of an enemy while in line of sight will wake them instantly

[rare stone]

sometimes they do it without glowing though

[topaz ridge]

ya

kind of annoying but it can be dealt with

[lofty steeple]

its rough to lose a run to it though when you feel you got a good knack of how it works

thanks for the info guys

ill have to do a bit of wiki scouring, as much as im against researching new games im playin bleh

[blissful bison]

Damn bots are effing savages they tried to melee a tank and actually pretty decent at it😂

[vestal crystal]

when killing an enemy like that "will wake them up instantly" is wrong, its a % chance for them to wake up

[crude bay]

Nop

[sharp owl]

also thats only if they are glowing, enemies that arent glowing or pulsing will never wake up unless they're extremely close to an enemy that wakes up or is killed

[mellow hedge]

They shouldn't

[sharp owl]

this would be desync

[mellow hedge]

It is just if they are glowing. Also short range agro overrides long range agro

[rare stone]

we love desync

[edgy plover]

If something woke up without glowing, its either right at the very beginning of the glow cycle and you didnt / couldn't see it, or desync

Holy shit typing is hard

[mellow hedge]

It would be desync

lmaooo

[rare stone]

speaking of desync, I've had a Charger Scout in R7E1 literally face the opposite direction of me while it had its feelers out, I tried to shoot it and it instantly turned around as soon as I shot it and triggered

which was kinda bs

should've taken Scattergun or Burst Cannon tbh

[mellow hedge]

That probably meant you didnt kill it

[rare stone]

yes

I know

[mellow hedge]

but that aint desync

[rare stone]

its back was facing me on my screen

and the host had it facing us

[mellow hedge]

Weird

[rare stone]

so I shot it thinking it would die and it didn't

[mellow hedge]

What gun did you use?

[rare stone]

Hel Rifle

[mellow hedge]

thats very strange

[rare stone]

I've had that happen a couple other times as well

but that's the only notable one because it ended up making us lose the run

[mellow hedge]

Ive never had desync that bad

[vestal crystal]

I am almost certain that a short range aggro will prevent a long aggro from triggering but I'm not 100% sure

I don't remember ever seeing both happen at the same time

[mellow hedge]

Yes short range aggro will always prevent long range aggro. The only reason something would wake up from it is from you moving around or making too much noise

[vestal crystal]

nvm you were stating it, i thought you were asking whether it does

😬

[lofty steeple]

its wild you can desync even if you're the host heh

[mellow hedge]

Haha allg

[mellow hedge]

Dont think so?

What experience did you have with host "desync"?

[lofty steeple]

o maybe its how they said that they just happened to glow at the same time as a long distance kill in sight

[mellow hedge]

Yeah if an enemy has LOS within 15 metres and is glowing it will wake up

[lofty steeple]

ok ok, thanks for info

[sharp owl]

can, wake up

not guaranteed

[mellow hedge]

No, it will wake up

[sharp owl]

my honest reaction to that misinformation

[true pilot]

its a chance, so its best to assume it will wake up, but its not guaranteed

[mellow hedge]

I swear it was guaranteed. It even says on the wiki

If not I will test it because im pretty sure

[wraith marsh]

proxi is guaranteed

long range is not but only for 1 shot kills

if you bump into the mf,hit it but not full kill, wake it up some other way like that

it will be guaranteed then

[mellow hedge]

Wdym?

[wraith marsh]

long range aggro acts differently depending on what you did to the initial mf

[mellow hedge]

So long range aggro with one shots to sleeping enemies only has a chance to wake up glowing sleepers within 15 metres when they have line of sight, but if you wake it up before killing it, its guarunteed to long range aggro?

[wraith marsh]

ye

[rare stone]

"the initial mf"

is something to quote

[mellow hedge]

lmaooo

[true pilot]

As chill said - close aggro is 100%, long range is like 50% or smth

[true pilot]

we should add that to the wiki

[mellow hedge]

I've been fooled my entire life

[lofty grotto]

ARGH! So FUCKING close….

Yes I’m 2 hrs past midnight on B4 but goddamnit…

[mellow hedge]

Havent even attempted B4 secondary tbh

Would rather not pub it

[sharp owl]

I highly doubt you will clear it with pubs

unless those pubs have ears and good aim

[lofty grotto]

Been doing it for the past week

[mellow hedge]

rip

[lofty grotto]

I did get mail done but…

Secondary is something else

[mellow hedge]

Main is fairly simple if you know what to do

But yeah, secondary is crazy

like top 10 hardest levels crazy

[lofty grotto]

Secondary adds 4 Nightmares to the error but…

It causes a constant firing line

[mellow hedge]

Yeah

Its like a pseudo surge

[lofty grotto]

More like constant surges

[mellow hedge]

Well it technically isnt a surge

[lofty grotto]

Like… I don’t understand… at WHAT point does the normal error escalate… at first it was 4 normals… and then those increases came

[mellow hedge]

It works on a n+1 system i believe

[lofty grotto]

From what STARTS it tho

I know the main door starts it

But beyond that… what escalate it… the next sec doors?

[mellow hedge]

I dont know a huge amount about the level but from what I know the waves increase by 1 enemy every how ever long amount of time

But I gotta play it to fully understand

[edgy plover]

tbh I think it's supposed to be like R2E1 ending where the waves slowly turn into a surge but it's fucked and spawns pretty much a spawncap every wave lol

[sharp owl]

silly funny level

:3

[edgy plover]

3 people who have good gun control and some cfoam pretty much trivializes the expedition, and if fog annoys you just save repellers (if any even spawn on during the run)

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp owl]

I did it with an actually good not pub team and still took like 4? tries

one of the fails was my blunder, another cos bro couldnt find cell, another cos someone wasnt standing inside room

[edgy plover]

I mean if you went in blind I'd assume it takes a few attempts to figure out

[sharp owl]

I was the only one that hadnt cleared level

[lofty grotto]

The problem is… the waves has some giants mixed into it

Which is sapping ALOT of firepower from

[sharp owl]

having 1 bc isnt a bad idea since its still good enough for smalls in the tiny ass corridors they pour through

otherwise hel gun/rifle or mgs

[lofty grotto]

Hel rifles doesn’t kill nightmares half the time

Even if so, they can only penetrate a certain amount

[sharp owl]

6 pens is nuclear in those corridors

[junior latch]

You need to hit weakspot
If you dont, swap to hel revo and shoot once then its dead

also nightmares rly arent the issue in r8b4

[lofty grotto]

Never used a hel Revo before

[junior latch]

only the best main weapon in the game

[sharp owl]

ur not gonna get a better time to use it tbh

those 2 hallways are pen city and it has a fast reload cancel

[lofty grotto]

Alright, I’ll try a level to practice this on later

[junior latch]

honestly i prefer to take hel shotty + scattergun and just run in to get cells

I can solo mom, giants and blood doors while not wasting time for cells

[edgy plover]

I mean the ending of B4 is just absolute team play, if anyone is out of order it falls apart

[wispy bluff]

The alarm did not had to go as hard as it did

Would it really kill your precious B4 to give the squad extra 5 seconds of breathing space

Actual Jesus Christ

On the other hand various crowd control weapons and tools go hard extra mile on that level. Perma-foaming, HEL-AP, even HEL Sentry get gazzilion value around here

Since killing does jack shit might as well just keep staggering them forever

[sharp owl]

today is d2 day

[wispy bluff]

I would love to help, but work is also today.
Good luck, you're gonna need it.

[earnest forge]

@rare stone about the door of course :)

[rare stone]

ah okay

well I didn't do anything, I just opened it

[earnest forge]

and it ... shifted to the wall ?

[rare stone]

and then when I went back upstairs I saw that

[earnest forge]

[rare stone]

it's the door on the right sight of the second security door in R8A1

[earnest forge]

I know which door this is

[rare stone]

it's just downstairs

[earnest forge]

I just never saw this behavior

[rare stone]

hm

[earnest forge]

But to be honest we usually just go straightforward in zone 70

[rare stone]

I just like clearing all rooms

especially if I'm solo'ing

so you have more space to move around just in case

[earnest forge]

Does the door instantly teleports to the wall ? Does it happen mid-interaction ?

[wicked solstice]

No, it slowly slides up

It just needs to be moved back a bit, but i hope they keep it

You can actually break it because it’s exposed

[barren sentinel]

@fiery bloom accept a friend invitation it's me sterben

[rare stone]

I tried breaking it but it didn't do anything

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked solstice]

Huh

I was able to bash it

Maybe they patched it?

[rare stone]

why would they fix that but not the actual door?

[earnest forge]

Ah, it is the door from below

I thought it was the one from the side

[quasi pine]

R2E1 was nuts 😭

[wispy bluff]

Yeah, welcome to one of the most horrific level for the average pub. Nobody likes it except insane people.

And to think its generally considered on the easier side for an E level...

Its like 2nd easiest E or something?...

[burnt flume]

it's a cool mission

it's not the level's fault that most players suck

[shut vapor]

For pubs it's also not short which is draining

[burnt flume]

I mean maybe getting to the second scan is a little boring but hey

[junior latch]

2nd or 1st

its a toss up depending on playstyle probably

[burnt flume]

it's an hour mission with a good pub, longer with bad pub

[quartz cape]

foam the ladder

[burnt flume]

generally it's like 40 minute mission or whatever with a good team, much faster than other (actual) E tiers

[quasi pine]

the person i played with showed us this insane ladder trick

i love it

[quartz cape]

(he foamed the ladder)

[burnt flume]

ladder foam is cheese and if someone is advocating for foaming the ladder they suck at the game

[quartz cape]

no im very good

[burnt flume]

you are like a pixie

you play tricks on people

[quartz cape]

one time i even won

no i am not a whimsical forest creature

that is preposterous

[junior latch]

hes not refuting the tiny part

[quartz cape]

i would never grant 3 wishes if you catch me

[burnt flume]

you talk like a fantastical forest creature

[quartz cape]

never ever

[quartz cape]

i am small

[shut vapor]

I wish for Maddox to join our team

[quartz cape]

you have to catch me

i mean not catch me

because i dont grant wishes

[shut vapor]

[quasi pine]

hey honestly it was genius

that's just smart use of resources imo

it's a game not a roleplay

[shut vapor]

I don't think anyone is trying to roleplay by not foaming a ladder. It just completely breaks waves from reaching you.... Ever

[wispy bluff]

I feel like its a very foggy position and a slippery slop...

Either way ladder foaming is a touchy subject in this community

As a person who also owns a couple of clear to it - i just see it as a game mechanic that so far is allowed

[junior latch]

its a very cheesy strat since (if done even remotely well) it completely invalidates alarms for minimal cost

[wispy bluff]

Im using my provided limited resource tool in a creative way and getting huge value out of it

[quasi pine]

does it work anywhere other than that level?

[wispy bluff]

I even asked one of the devs directly about it and they just dodged the question

[junior latch]

yes

[wispy bluff]

So i assume they don't have a hard stance on it or anything

[quasi pine]

if they didnt want it to work then they would fix it

[junior latch]

This answer never works

just look at door bug

[shut vapor]

It'll work on any level where the primary route for the enemies is to take a ladder

[junior latch]

r5c1 with ladderfoam first alarm is so fucking snooze

[wispy bluff]

Good, don't want to spend too much time on that cursed rundown.

[quasi pine]

what door bug?

[wispy bluff]

Horrific bug that causes enemies to perceive a door where there isn't one

[quasi pine]

literally the only cheese i've ever seen was the lagger thing

ladder

[wispy bluff]

As a result they get stuck forever and hog the spawn slots

[shut vapor]

Disgusting abuse 😔

[wispy bluff]

So no new enemies are spawned

[quartz cape]

hogging spawns on r3d1...

big mistake

[wispy bluff]

Basically the single most reliable way to invalidate the game without just straight up installing cheats

[junior latch]

door bug isnt a cheese

its a literal exploit

[wispy bluff]

Devs excuse for not fixing it was "its hard to reproduce by accident, so not worth fixing"

[junior latch]

Somebody actually tried using the argument for it not being removed as a basis that its intended before

[junior latch]

its absolutely valid

[quasi pine]

that sounds absurd

[junior latch]

you wont randomly door bug

[wicked solstice]

this

[quasi pine]

i mean debugging isn't easy

[wispy bluff]

Correct.

[quasi pine]

it would probably take more time to fix than it's worth

[wispy bluff]

But what do i do about a teammate who does it intentionally.

[quartz cape]

theres a mod that fixes it

[wicked solstice]

didn’t they fix one version of it?

[wispy bluff]

And even wanrs me about it by "watch this"

[quasi pine]

oh

[junior latch]

the version where it could happen randomly was ridicolus and had to be fixed

[quartz cape]

they know the problem

just dont wanna fix for whatever reason

[junior latch]

shoot them

[wispy bluff]

Yeah... Exactly.

There are entire wars in pub lobbies about it.

[wicked solstice]

Shoot and then kick

[wispy bluff]

Rare, but funny.

[wicked solstice]

i love archive

[junior latch]

Which appearantly breaks some achievement conditions, the map (at times) and more

[junior latch]

Ive not once had a door bugger

But sado always talks about getting them

[quartz cape]

so the game works the same?

[junior latch]

harsh

but some truth in it

[wispy bluff]

I had one guy do it on R7C3 for the very first blood door (we still lost later)

[junior latch]

Litteraly harder to door bug than to play normally there

Lol

[quartz cape]

is going long cheese

[junior latch]

kind off?

id argue its cheesy

[quasi pine]

why not just

mine the door

[junior latch]

if you do it to stabilize once or so

its fine

but some people do it all the time (see solos obviously)

[quartz cape]

what if you ladder foam once to stabilize

[wispy bluff]

Honestly ladder foaming sounds like a legit strategy that should be in the game

In a sense that i would actually do it IRL

Like... OF COURSE i will put a lot of sticky substance on a tight path, completely blocking monsters' ability to interact with that route

The game's literal only issue here is an AI oversight

just fucking tell them to go elsewhere

[rose nova]

u can get mines or not, it's rng

sometimes there's two other times none

[wispy bluff]

But it didnt so get fucked for being a badly programmed game

[quasi pine]

bring the mine layer lol

[rose nova]

u don't know r7c3 do u

lol

[quasi pine]

nope

i just finished rundown 2

i've been doing the levels in order

[rose nova]

well c3 has funny twists and let's just say mine deployed has no, function for a while

[junior latch]

did you ladderfoam r2e1

[rose nova]

so u can't mine the door

[rose nova]

but isn't foam ladder strat usually in tiles that have no other way but the ladder

[wispy bluff]

Not R2E1

[rose nova]

like e1 has that tile that goes down, that's where i hear of foamin the ladder the most

is there another way?

[wispy bluff]

There's like a giant pit in the middle and a whole other path on the other side of the room

They have options

[junior latch]

what

2 of the alarms only have the ladder as options

[wispy bluff]

The 2nd pit is a bit more harsh due to that sneaky ladder right before the door

[quartz cape]

most people foam 3rd surge, not first

[junior latch]

and saying „just make them finder another way“ is so ?

[rose nova]

like the warden door room, cubical one, isn't that just a ladder and that's it?

the whole underground system with a shit ton of fog?

[wispy bluff]

Well i foamed first surge too and that's the one i remember vividly

[quartz cape]

if you get bad scans, they can ignore the ladder

[quasi pine]

my teammate showed us that we could do that

[quartz cape]

depends on where they go

[wispy bluff]

Yep

[quasi pine]

it was very nice 😎

[wispy bluff]

2nd one is more cursed for them but too bad

[rose nova]

do u think it makes more sense to like to the whole turnaround that be frozen at the top of the ladder? genuinely idk which one would take more time

it's a hell of a roundabout

[wispy bluff]

After i spent 60 minutes on a grueling stealth - there shall be no respect for the guy, get foamed

[quartz cape]

i really hope that the snadow zone didn't take you an hour by itself

[wispy bluff]

Thankfully not

People just... End up pulling it anyway by accident.

Because shadows.

[junior latch]

I never understand why people set up for that scan so much

Its very free to move around for and using up extra tool is

Like SHOULD you wipe thats 2 min lost

[junior latch]

Now do the level again
But without it

[quartz cape]

what about my boosters

[quasi pine]

i have rundown 3 to do now though

👽

[junior latch]

3 ?

[quasi pine]

yes

[junior latch]

as if you actually use em

aaah

i read 3 rundowns

[quasi pine]

i've been doing the rundowns and levels in order

[junior latch]

not rundown 3

well
ya can always go to r2e1 to actually do it

[rose nova]

people who do it in order, i just don't believe in em
they say "i did r2e1" i think "hard carry"

[junior latch]

Ladderfoam quite often does the carry job

[rose nova]

i wonder how that people go on r4e1 if it's not by a carry

[quasi pine]

hey i still had fun doing it

[rose nova]

eh it's not my issue that's true

i just don't believe like when they say they completed it lol

it's like the dude who says they completes the binding of isaac, cause they just got to mom on easy mode

[quartz cape]

who did it first tho

[rose nova]

the level? idk the ogs don't ask me

i came here on r7

[spring silo]

we did the rundowns in order if you don't count all the times we didn't do them in order

[quartz cape]

this statement is always true for everyone and is thus useless
please delete your message

[spring silo]

time to retract my statement as it is incorrect and harmful to the community at large

I made a severe lapse in judgement

[quartz cape]

thank you for being a responsible community member

[wispy bluff]

@quartz cape I always wondered: was the avatar chosen as fitting reflection of your behaviour, or is your behaviour inspired by the trouble-making smile of your avatar?

[rose nova]

or cause u got possessed by the cube

[quartz cape]

I’ve always wondered that myself

[hybrid cloak]

@sharp owl yoo

[sharp owl]

hey

gaming?

[hybrid cloak]

r8d2?

[sharp owl]

gaming.

[hybrid cloak]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1202655819473231922

[wispy bluff]

@hybrid cloak @sharp owl how did it went?

[sharp owl]

it went all the way

[wispy bluff]

Nice. Thoughts on the level?

[sharp owl]

very fun

and a funni bug

which i will soon share in media

extraction i think is a big bullpoop

[hybrid cloak]

we d because someone pulled the messenger before everyone was ready and we basically died trying to clear the tank zone but 2nd try tank dead in 30 secs cleaned room n did all 3 terminals

mom got rekt quite fast and we made it all the way to extract but we dropped the mwp and i got disconnected cuz 3rd world internet

but 3rd attempt went smooth

extract was bit hectic

looked scary at one point

[sharp owl]

yeah it was rough

the mwp was like 2 meters infront of us]

but we just couldn't kill fast enough to pick it up

[wispy bluff]

My first run also died to forgotten MWP

My success run was brute forced by supply efficiency

[sharp owl]

can one guy just take MWP and go to extraction and then the rest kite

or something

[wispy bluff]

We were all 100% of the finale and i just foamed absolutely everything

[hybrid cloak]

well to some extent

[wispy bluff]

There's a screenshot somewhere

[hybrid cloak]

but it gets problematic

u dont wanna have too many nightmares at once

[wraith marsh]

Best strat is massive daisy chain

You can kinda kite in the mom and scan rooms but

The problem is getting started

[hybrid cloak]

well since i was getting licked from 2x the distance and i have frequent desync it would have gone poorly

the entire level it was completely fine till that last part it started to fk me

[sharp owl]

like ok i get that

the complex dies and the alarm starts blaring everywhere but

do we need a full nightmare error at the last possible moment

[hybrid cloak]

nuclear meltdown

[wraith marsh]

It's very cool when your blind and have all 4 down in the cool lore pit

[hybrid cloak]

also funny that we skip that on e2 while e1 team gets fked and left to die too

[wispy bluff]

Yeah, devs were straight up mean at that point.

After all this bullshit they hit you with nightmare almost-surge

[sharp owl]

very fun

[wispy bluff]

Thank lord for funneling room

[sharp owl]

i don't like this kinda thing because it incentivises uh

what do you call this

metagaming

like how the absolute hell are you supposed to do that extraction without meta gaming if you all stay together and look at the cool pit

[wispy bluff]

I imagine you dont

This game relies on that a lot for cheap wipes

[sharp owl]

the only way is to metagame

[wispy bluff]

Hence the very kind checkpoint right there

[wraith marsh]

You die and checkpoint yea

[sharp owl]

still tho

you gotta do the mom and alarm

[wraith marsh]

They're not really a huge problem

[wispy bluff]

I mean what would you rather redo: the vox alarm or the encounter?

[wraith marsh]

Better than redoing the entire level

[sharp owl]

vox?

[wispy bluff]

voice transmissions

On one hand the pre-encounter checkpoint is very smug ("Failed? DO THIS AGAIN") but on the other its far kinder than redoing the whole sprinting challenge

[sharp owl]

OR

hear me out

OR

we design the levels in such a way that it's reasonable to do them blind instead of relying on prior knowledge

[wispy bluff]

I agree, but it is what it is. This game got plenty of that.

And i bet veterans are super happy. They love getting wiped.

Its the only thing that brings them joy in life.

[sharp owl]

would be kinda hilarious if this was supposed to be canon

like quantum immortality

[wraith marsh]

No we don't

No one likes unfair stuff

[hybrid cloak]

is there a masochist that does 🤔

[wispy bluff]

IMHO everything prior to the extraction alarm is low-key fair

Secondary is bullshit, but whatever...

[sharp owl]

dude

why

[wispy bluff]

I first timed the vox alarm, encounter took 2 tries only because we were kinda roughed up. The fun scan was first timed as well.

[sharp owl]

are there 2 awake pmoms in r5d1

[wispy bluff]

But the extraction alarm is meeeeeeeeeeean

[hybrid cloak]

he got teh funny point and laugh 🫵

[sharp owl]

thats actually like genuinelyn restarted

[storm quartz]

use scatter easy fix

[hybrid cloak]

its a bug that appeared with R8 release i think?

there is no way of telling whether it happened or not

so lil bit of gamba

[sharp owl]

thats actually so fucking cooked cun+

is there any chance that gets changed

[hybrid cloak]

does anyone have scatter? if so then it should be an easy one

[hybrid cloak]

if next patch doesnt fix it then rip

[sharp owl]

yeah 2 scatters but they both birthed at once

we got bruhed

i killed 1

[hybrid cloak]

well u should have some cfoam trips

[sharp owl]

but the other guys died

our cfoam trip haver didnt use it

[hybrid cloak]

cringe

always put trip open door hide and let mom trigger it

go in kill her or 2 of em

[earnest forge]

It has been brought to the devs attention, so yes.

[sharp owl]

pawesome

I'll wait till then

absolute bruh of a bug

[wispy bluff]

There is a guy here that wiped liked a dozen times because he keeps getting de bug

[hybrid cloak]

or you can brute force it

[wispy bluff]

Devs aware, wait for a patch or brute force it with gazzilion scatters

[sharp owl]

is that a desync thing

like multiple snatcher spawns in r7d1

[wispy bluff]

Nope

[storm quartz]

No it's a datablock thing

[wispy bluff]

Someone fucked enemy distribution number for the area

[sharp owl]

fucking trolled

gigabrain

[wispy bluff]

Or actually

[sharp owl]

man

that mission is ass

[wispy bluff]

The number remained the same and bug always existed

But something in R8 greatly increased chance of it happening

[earnest forge]

Datablock / Enemy distribution / Enemy weight type of thing

[wispy bluff]

To the point where its like 50%+

They just gotta adjust the number until the game got no window for rounding imagination and it just puts exactly 1 in there

[lusty river]

Next patch soon to release this year!!

And by then I’ll probably be deceased in the complex

[quasi pine]

i hope they buff the sniper

[hybrid cloak]

i think they need to get rid of the recoil it serves no purpose to disortient people like that

[quasi pine]

yeah the recoil is quite obnoxious

[sharp owl]

flashbangs yourself

[spring silo]

it just gets nerfed again and does recoil enough to damage you by 4

[hybrid cloak]

the barrel just backflips into your face

[spring silo]

new mechanic where you might randomly drop your gun

like tripping in brawl

[lusty river]

The recoil is like the least annoying of the nerfs tho 💀

[blissful dome]

Maybe over 1 rpm :D

[rare stone]

Eva made a point of if they reverted the firerate and kept the recoil it would be annoying af to line up your next shot

[hybrid cloak]

i can live with the shot delay but that recoil needs to go

[rare stone]

so the recoil is still terrible

idk why they changed the Sniper in the first place, it was completely fine before

[lusty river]

Because it’s picked a lot according to our statistics

[rare stone]

does that mean it needs a nerf?

[hybrid cloak]

gtfo shouldn nerf based on pick rate

[rare stone]

just because it gets picked a lot?

Hel Revo gets picked a ton

and they haven't nerfed it

[lusty river]

That’s what I’m saying but meh shit never makes sense

[quasi pine]

that is the exact mentality that is ruining other games lol

[hybrid cloak]

i think it would have been better for the game to keep rundown specific format

[sharp owl]

Is the Rifle a good weapon

[rare stone]

it's alright

[lusty river]

Rifle when it gets a silent reload cancel nerf

😱

[rose nova]

more range pistol with a worse reload, and then pretty much the exact same

so for, long levels with hallways its nice

[sharp owl]

well pistol is a good weapon

but like range is trivial in GTFO

[quasi pine]

I can’t panic mag dump with the pistol so I don’t feel safe with it 👽

[rare stone]

imagine if they removed all reload cancels in the game

[rose nova]

... its kinda not
i mean for levels like idk r1c1 r2d2 even maybe things like r2b1, with long tiles
u can lose a lot of dmg if u shoot from a distance

[lusty river]

Unplayable smh 😏

[rose nova]

and it can take u, a whole mag for one enemy

for example, with a pdw

across like the r2b1 big tile

[sharp owl]

when i get to r2d2 im gonna use hel auto shotgun and machinegun

[tall hawk]

look mom I one magged a striker

[hybrid cloak]

macro

[rose nova]

machinegun has pretty good range

[sharp owl]

its not a single target weapon child

[rose nova]

autopistol will do absolutely no damage at range tho

only stagger

[sharp owl]

big horde will get it stopped in its tracks

[rose nova]

autopiss doesnt do bad dmg, for a stagger weapon

[junior latch]

i dont even think it does

you cant base it of the vets picks here. See AR, smg and bullpup pickrates a few rundowns ago

[lusty river]

Slendi do you main autopiss

[rare stone]

I see almost everyone pick Hel Revo tho

[junior latch]

i dont

and beginners basically dont use it

which is a mass of people

[lusty river]

Oh yeah I still see people play with ar and smg. Can’t say for bullpup tho

[rose nova]

no, i main uually pistol, hsmg, pdw, sometimes if i feel silly carbine or hel revo

[junior latch]

the weapon has proportionally higher pickrate in higher skill/experience brackets id say (but even then a few people dont pick it that much anymore due to more options nowadays)

[pallid anvil]

🤔

[lusty river]

How do you feel about burst pistol

[rose nova]

i think its, pistol 2
its fine, good dmg goood reload good flahlight good ammo, and its basically the exact same thing but killing in two bursts with less stagger

i prefer the pistol tho

tho recoil feels noice

and the sounds very good

[junior latch]

its definetly worse than pistol

by a good margin

pretty weak generally

[wispy bluff]

It technically has more striker kills per magazine

[rose nova]

i think its, ki nda the same thing
has almost the same bursts as pistols mag
the only thing i really dont like its how fuck it is with stagger

like u cant, use it to stagger bigs at all

which u can with pistol

[wispy bluff]

But getting those kills is effectively impossible

[rose nova]

if u spam it

[wispy bluff]

Oh it got weaker stagger, huh?

[lusty river]

What’s the range on burst pistol again?

[rose nova]

more like it justdoesnt have the pistols stagger

[rose nova]

7 meters

[lusty river]

That’s so bad wth

7 meters until damage falloff

💀

[rose nova]

pistols got 9, so like
it is worse but, well

[lusty river]

That’s basically shotgun range atp

[rare stone]

it feels nice to use

[rose nova]

yeah, i forgot what the recoil feels like tbh
idk if u could use it farther than 8 or 9 meters

[rare stone]

but its performance is poor

[lusty river]

So it’s only good on regular strikers

[rare stone]

it's a diet double tap

[wispy bluff]

I like BP in a very weird way.

And yes, its pretty much double tap for close range fighters.

Even suffers from the same issues.

[rose nova]

and shooters i guess, two burst i think

one to head rest to wherever

[wispy bluff]

I have written an entire essay on that

Let me do some coypasting

[lusty river]

That’s if that shooter is within 7 meters tho which is unlikely

[rose nova]

yeah a buff to 10 meters woul be ok but again idk how like heavy is the recoil of the burst

[wispy bluff]

Nano is capable of killing a Striker in 2-4 bursts depending on how many shots will hit the head. A flawless burst to the head will deal 15.86 damage, only requiring a single other burst to finish the target off, theoretically making Nano capable of killing 7 strikers per magazine. S49, in comparison, requires at least 3 shots to kill a striker from front and thus is capable of only 5 kills per mag. Shooters, however, die in the same amount of trigger pulls for both - 2.

[rose nova]

so idk if u even like could, burst it one time

[rare stone]

suffers from the same issues?

[wispy bluff]

Generally speaking

[rare stone]

what would those issues be?

[wispy bluff]

Something just... Doesn't add up about them

Too much effort for too little bang

[rare stone]

idk

it's very ammo efficient if you can consistently hit both shots

[wispy bluff]

Like they both suffer from this thing where in theory they got insane amount of dead strikers in those mags

But in practice its impossible to get that value

[rare stone]

it's great for dumping into giants too

[rose nova]

is it?

[wispy bluff]

They actually got same amount of dead strikers which is 7

[rose nova]

u really dont stagger it like with a pistol cause of the 1.5 of it, and it can be a bit slow on firerate

[rare stone]

I'm talking about double tap btw

[rose nova]

oh

[rare stone]

not BP

[rose nova]

sorry

[wispy bluff]

Oh yeah, its great for giants

Its technically a very quirky DMR, 2nd highest damage fall off after the big brother

...and got that drunk hipfire too...

BP is... Technically the exact opposite.

Minimal effective range, but in return hipfire on it is ass-tight

I did some testing and you get almost no value from ADSing with burst pistol

All it dies is it slightly strengthens out the bullet pattern so 2nd bullet is always right on top of the 1st one.

But it literally doesn't matter as you usually will be hipfiring that thing into a striker that is right next to you and charging a bite

I find it very fun as a weapon for brainless hipfire spamming. We don't really have that many of those, ignoring shotguns.

Love the design as well. I actually recently saw an IRL pistol that it seems to be somewhat inspired by? Wouldn't be surprised if someone in 10c saw the exact video i did and designed a weapon purely around that

[rare stone]

it is the current smallest weapon in the game

which is funny

[wispy bluff]

That too. Its hilariously small.

[rare stone]

how do 28 bullets fit in there?

nobody knows

[wispy bluff]

points finger at all the drum mags holding 30

"We don't do that here"

[rare stone]

it sounds like a machine pistol too if you hear a teammate fire it

dunno why they didn't just give it a drum mag

[wispy bluff]

Either way i think the gun's almost fine? I found ways to get reliable use out of it and its very easy to use, no PHD required. It just needs small buffs there and there. Very careful buffs, as to not overshadow The Pistol by accident.

[worthy flicker]

5.7 mags hold 20, can get extended ones that hold 30 and they don't look that much bigger, I just imagined it was a small bullet

[quasi pine]

what is the best gun to teamkill with? asking for a friend 👽

[worthy flicker]

Scattergun

[wispy bluff]

Most basic thing would be increasing damage from 3.05 to like 3.5, i believe.

Like change just that and BP might accidentally become an S-tier. Probably won't, but i gotta run some math on that.

[rare stone]

best teammate killing loadout: Sawed Off, Scattergun, Mine Deployer

[wispy bluff]

actually...

20/3...

3.34

We could start by safely increasing damage value to that

This will create a breakpoint where you can reliably body shot a striker in 3 bursts instead of 4

[rare stone]

I think if they just increased the range on Pistol and BP they'd be fine

maybe to 15 for Pistol and 12 for BP?

[wispy bluff]

Actually currently the single biggest weakness of BP are chargers

Its horrific agains them

The Pistol at least staggers them with like... Every bullet. Which is hilarious.

[rare stone]

maybe give it a tiny damage boost

or a bit of stagger

it should definitely have less stagger than Pistol tho

[wispy bluff]

An issue that is also addressed with 3.34 damage, might i add

[rare stone]

hm

also, do we wanna talk about short rifle?

[wispy bluff]

Tired sigh

[rare stone]

what's up with that gun?

[wispy bluff]

I've got nothing, man.

I'm a GENUINE believer it was supposed to by anything else but Semi

It got the same stock on it that literally EVERY SINGLE OTHER BURST WEAPON HAS

But at the last moment they changed it to semi

[rare stone]

just make it a burst weapon then lol

[wispy bluff]

YES

It makes so much more sense as a burst weapon

[worthy flicker]

The longer I play this game the less the gun balance makes actual sense to me

[wispy bluff]

Like SO much more

What was the damage on it again

[rare stone]

a general-use burst weapon in the special slot would be cool

[wispy bluff]

4.81

[rare stone]

I get that Burst Cannon with its 3 burst is a thing

[wispy bluff]

Alright, lets do some maths

[rare stone]

but I honestly hope they revert BC to 5 burst

[wispy bluff]

Double tap - 3 bursts to kill a striker, 2 if you head.

[rare stone]

you mean 1 burst 🤓

[wispy bluff]

Triple tap - exactly 2 bursts to kill a striker always and you can even miss a bullet.

[junior latch]

@little ridge artek is at weapon balance again

get the dice out

[wispy bluff]

My tinfoil hat says it was a x3 burst gun, but someone dropped coffee on their PC and were too tired to rollback the back up

[junior latch]

(this is for short rifle)

the burst pistol minor buff definetly would just be a good touch up

[wispy bluff]

We were so close to greatness...

[hybrid cloak]

artek wins the jackpot

[wispy bluff]

I unironically believe they can just change it to x3 burst and it'll fix the gun

[junior latch]

yeeea

no

it would be worse honestly

[rare stone]

if it gets a 1x stagger

[hybrid cloak]

i think we getting too many burst weapons can we not

[junior latch]

and a buff to 5 flat dmg

:>

wdym too many
theres like 1 other burst special

[rare stone]

NO

BURST WEAPONS ARE DOPE

[hybrid cloak]

you go play your "where my next bullet gonna go" in the corner

[hybrid cloak]

yes

[wispy bluff]

I fucking love burst weapons. When they're good, and cool to use, and are not lame and not meta and.............................

[junior latch]

good but not meta

wat

the closest you get to that is double tap

[wispy bluff]

I always had this weird notion that burst weapons are "elite" weapons

Don't know what game started this trend.

Fucking... Uh...

[junior latch]

i remember it from some weird mobile game

back in 2012

[rare stone]

Burst Cannon

[junior latch]

burst cannon is meta

basically has been for all but like 1 rundown or 2

[rare stone]

thought you meant the closest to meta

nvm

[junior latch]

yea na

artek wants a good but not meta burst weapon thats cool to use (not lame)

thats legit only double tap

everything else is either weak or meta

[wispy bluff]

Double tap having same hip fire as pump action:

[rare stone]

double tap is really fun and satisfying

[junior latch]

i guess you could argue burst rifle

[wispy bluff]

Double tap having 2 burst less than i'd like it to:

Double tap having the stupid shot delay:

Also a gun that is so close, yet so far

Fucking love when Hackett holds it though.

It fits him like a glove. Man was born with it.

[rare stone]

it's because of the blue scope

isn't it?

[wispy bluff]

The general outline of the gun. It looks very cool from the side

Too bad all first person angles of guns in this game SUCK

[rare stone]

Hel Gun

I don't think there's many weapons that look bad in first person

[wispy bluff]

They have this silly notion that the gun shouldn't block your vision or something

[rare stone]

one I can think of is Revolver

'cuz that one just looks unnatural

[wispy bluff]

So whenever they put a GIANT ASS scope on a gun they lower it way back down. Happened to Short Rifle.

70% of that gun's presence on the screen is the tower-scope.

[rare stone]

meanwhile your hands:

[wispy bluff]

Pull the gun up and make me happy

I don't care that i'm now blind on my right flank - i can take it

[worthy flicker]

The height over bore for sights makes sense tbh

If that's what you're talking about

[rare stone]

"but I need to see 360° around me at all times!! 🤓"