gtfo-chat

[rose nova]

only QOL mods are allowed into the server, quality of life like bug fixes or colors for the name or whatev
u will not lose ur progress, but u cant play those in LFG here

ping everything for example its on the fine line of QOL but most people dont care about it

yeah but most levels dont let u

[worthy flicker]

I can live with ping everything

[rose nova]

unless its like a reactor

i hate ping everything with all my soul but i just, accept it and move on

[topaz lichen]

yeah, I'm not saying hel revo is bad and obv I don't really mind lol. all good g

[worthy flicker]

I still can't find a special I like more then HCP

[rose nova]

no ik but like the 'u will get heads on practice aiming for bodyshots' feels like, another way to say 'hit headshots' ksdmkm

[mystic moss]

just play more solo tbh

[rose nova]

i have

doesnt work

[mystic moss]

or any combat heavy level for hundreds of hours

[rose nova]

i have 500 hours into gtfo, most of em bots and solo, only lately ive been gettin into LFG
and i cant aim

[quartz thunder]

what software do i need to download to isntall the mods ? usually using nexusmods but there's only few download available there

[topaz lichen]

so true, imo after solo a lot of combat u will realise drm, dtr, hel revo etc all Trump the auto weapons in main slot

[rose nova]

usually people use r2modman, but for specifics check the modding server

.t modding

[foggy plank]

While we do allow the use of some QoL and visual mods, GTFO doesn't officially support modding. However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exists and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to check out the modding communities found in #hc-modded (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[worthy flicker]

Simple solution, use machine gun.

[rose nova]

i think the fight of autos vs semis its a bit dumb
like yeah semis win, and? if u cant use em for shit cause ur bad like me they arent gonna be better than an, smg for example that has more ammo and u can kinda spray

[topaz lichen]

in general u just realise how important it is to kill and not stagger. Kill quickly (1-2 shot etc) is super important.

[rose nova]

i do, been my go to lately

its great

i love that shit

[worthy flicker]

Can't aim? HEL Shotgun

Machine Gun

Combat Shotty

Maximize your chances lmao

[rose nova]

yeah those are autos

i mean i guess pr its an auto too but doesnt count

[topaz lichen]

hel shotty gets a pass, but the others are special slot I specifically said main slot

[worthy flicker]

I find I can fire PR faster and just as accurately tapping it

Instead of autoing it

That gun really doesn't need to be auto

[rose nova]

i was referring to their 'maachinegun combat shottie' thing

[topaz lichen]

ah mb nws

[rose nova]

nah its ok

i mean even on mains i still think the same, i am terrible for dmr hel revo, pistol sometimes im ok but

generally i just always get more kills with, idk a bullpup

a hsmg

[topaz lichen]

probably just cause ur living longer

[rose nova]

and if its what gets me more dmg for the team, might as well

[worthy flicker]

At the end of the day it's different strokes for different folks

The only weapon choice I find questionable is Short Rifle

[rose nova]

everyone goes suck a different... lollipop

[topaz lichen]

idk imo weapons like bullpup and smg make u feel like ur doing work

just cause u spray and see hitmarkers

[worthy flicker]

If you bring short rifle into my lobby I am silently judging you

[topaz lichen]

but u don't actually do much

like try solo a wave with just smg

u feel like ur doing hella work

but the wave still there

dmr or dtr u actually kill the wave

[rose nova]

i mean between that and tryin to aim with a hel revo or dmr to solo hold a wave
both are gonna suck ass

[worthy flicker]

Tbh I feel like I'm shooting spitballs firing at waves with smgs

[rose nova]

if ur strugglin to kill more than 2 3 enemies per mag

autos are bad for u

[topaz lichen]

no because u actually kill enemies

[rose nova]

same way semis are bad for me

if u just, cant get a guaranteed 4 kills like on average

ur doin something wrong

[topaz lichen]

it's not about kills on average its about time to kill

[lusty river]

Most pubs don't read gtfo channels. That's why I can shit talk without calling any names 😏

[topaz lichen]

if ur sitting on a scan, dmr and dtr will kill oncoming enemies no issue, sit on a scan with smg and ur shoving ur entire clip to kill nothing (cause of range)

stagger weapons I swear can't hold position for shit

[worthy flicker]

It honestly is an entirely separate ecosystem

[lusty river]

But muh hel shotgun

[worthy flicker]

I prefer most of you to most people I find in VC

[topaz lichen]

hel shotgun gets a pass, that gun is special lol

[lusty river]

Let's goooo

[worthy flicker]

I wish I liked Hel Shotgun

I really do

[mystic moss]

pretty brain dead

well i guess you could go for client 1 shot

[worthy flicker]

It feels like almost the exact opposite of what I like doing

[rose nova]

if u funnel the same way u would funnel an alarm, thrugh a hallway or something i feel like its gonna be the same way
autos dont mean just lack of range, hsmg has some and good recoil assualt rifle bullpup
autos are not stagger weapons apart from auto pistol, they are dmg, and good dmg
it can even be ur like falloff gun, which a main is, u use ur idk machinegun on special, they get too close, u pull up machinepistol, spray at their boddies and that thing shreds fucks

[worthy flicker]

HSmg honestly does work

As far as autos go it's my favorite auto primary

[rose nova]

hsmg its probs the best for solo runs

good dmg good range good reload good mag

bullpups its much range bad reload, smg good reload good mag but kinda bad range

[worthy flicker]

It just works

[rare stone]

cough Carbine cough

[worthy flicker]

Talking about automatics specifically

[rose nova]

ah yeah

[worthy flicker]

Carbine is just

Carbine lol

[rose nova]

well that thing, its the mix of an auto and a semi tbh

[rare stone]

Carbine is basically an automatic weapon

[rose nova]

u can spam it so much it becomes an auto

[worthy flicker]

You mean a burst weapon, slendi?,

[topaz lichen]

ignoring aim, because I'm not arguing u should use drm (if u can't aim I completely understand not)

but in the prospect of dmr being best gun in main slot, it far out performs hsmg when holding scans.

If a wave is pushing you, in a hallway as you described, dmr can at range, kill and thin the wave.

hsmg. smg, assault rifle can't do that. And letting the wave get closer will force you off your position for obvious reasons.

[lusty river]

Short rifle is an automatic 🤓

[worthy flicker]

I feel gross when I use Carbine tbh

[rose nova]

no cause burst rifle isnt a carbine in terms of firing so fast, same for double tap and all of em

[topaz lichen]

tbh I completely forgot about carbine, that shit is strong as well.

it's like dmr with training wheels lol

[rose nova]

problem is it kinda can
of course not at the same distance unless u have bullpup which in that case yes
but if u like hold ur fire right it becomes a machinegun, where it says its 'medium range' but more cause of the recoil than the actual range lol

not a mg on dmg and all that of course but

it leaves u good room

plus, on tiles that are like cramped, idk for example the down below part of r1b1 first room

[topaz lichen]

bullpup has issues with reload, which dmr and dtr avoid cause of reload cancel

[rose nova]

an auto its kinda the best for holdin on near the lader

[mystic moss]

autos just serve as chip damage, so semi users can clean up easily with a headshot

[lusty river]

Ngl bullpup's fire rate is too fast for me to use it like an auto 💀

[worthy flicker]

Tbh DTR and DMR just have good reloads to begin with

[topaz lichen]

I think my main gripe is talking from a < 4 man perspective cause if u have 4 smgs or 4 bullpups that's x4 damage so my damage points are meaningless

[worthy flicker]

I'll always appreciate the hel pp user when I'm on DMR

[topaz lichen]

hence why they are good main slot weapons lol

[worthy flicker]

They're good for a lot of reasons

They're good cause they simply do work all around

[lusty river]

Dmr haters complaining about the one flaw it has (the scope) 😮‍💨

[rose nova]

no cause i mean in a solo run too
ive played bots for a long time, and they always have autos lol theres no way around it, ik what it is holdin a wave when all ur 3 bots are down

and ive done solo runs, not many but well enough to have the achievements and kinda defend myself

[worthy flicker]

I am a DMR enjoyer and I'd still prefer being able to put the DTR holo on it

They didn't need to put smudges on the scope idk why they did

[rose nova]

cause they hate us

[rare stone]

lol

[lusty river]

They slapped an old sight laying around and called it good enough

😏

[worthy flicker]

Wipe it off with your shirt idfk

[sharp owl]

i would use dmr every mission if it had a good scope

[rare stone]

install CleanScopes :)

[sharp owl]

mod?

[rare stone]

yes

[rose nova]

install these nuts

[rare stone]

I will

[rose nova]

thanks

[lusty river]

Same day delivery?

[rare stone]

no prob

[sharp owl]

beast

[rose nova]

sure ill doxx u

:D

[lusty river]

😱

Jokes on you, I know where I live smh

[rare stone]

doxx deez nuts

[rose nova]

D:

[sharp owl]

does it change the thing where texture changes the scope

[rare stone]

it's a good sight tho

ong

[sharp owl]

or just makes it less ugly

[rose nova]

if it wasnt for the fingerprints i think its a very good scope

[lusty river]

They should've slapped sniper scope on the sawed off

[worthy flicker]

It's not that bad but I still dislike the smudges on it

[rare stone]

just removes scratches and stuff

[topaz lichen]

idk try with just ur main, if u supplement with ur special + tool u might not realise how weak the main slot autos are.

[rare stone]

although it does remove the red from the Hel Gun

for some reason

[worthy flicker]

It was deemed dirty

[rare stone]

still looks nice on most other weapons tho

especially DMR

[worthy flicker]

Tbh I don't use the hel gun ever

[rare stone]

you should

based weapon

[worthy flicker]

The rifle feels preferable

In almost every regard

[rose nova]

at the end i guess its just always about preference and skill
both weapons if used eh just completely drop the ball, u need to know of reload cancel for both, the dmg values, how many shots aprox, how much to burst em or spam em in case of semis

and its ur own way to hold a wave

[lusty river]

Hel gun is nice. Hel rifle is better because I get to pen my teammates with ease 😏

[rose nova]

unless ut, tnenpi and hold a wave only with melee

and idk a bio

[topaz lichen]

no because holding a wave means not getting pushed off, like not being forced off a scan cause enemies get close to you.

ofc you can make any weapon in this game work, kiting is op.

[rose nova]

well hel guns just way more flexible, it has good dmg good spam firerate reload cancel mag range
hel rifle has the dmg but very slow reload, bad firerate, no reload cancel at all

[rose nova]

no yeah i mean hold a wave

[worthy flicker]

If Hel Gun had a little more ammo in a mag I think I'd like it more

[lusty river]

But it does have a reload cancel

😭

[topaz lichen]

your not holding shit with an smg ur getting pushed off that scan hella fast

[rose nova]

it has enough, and literally R, mag goes in, one second and its reloaded
its like infinite

u can just keep spammin it lol

[rare stone]

I think 9 is a good amount

[rose nova]

skill issue

[rose nova]

yeah but very useless lol

[lusty river]

Bruh have you seen sniper mag 😆

[worthy flicker]

I don't use it

So yes

[topaz lichen]

probably true

[lusty river]

Good don't use sniper rn

Unless you like sniper so much

[latent palm]

real

[rose nova]

u wanna use sniper? use precision rifle

has the same sounds so

[latent palm]

im running it rn in R8D2 yuki

[worthy flicker]

Didn't play when it was good

[latent palm]

dont shame my baby

[worthy flicker]

I got into the game post achievements

Original group never actually played it

Yk?

[latent palm]

yuh

we know

[worthy flicker]

I imagine that happens a lot for GTFO

[lusty river]

Pre r8 sniper carried my pubs. Now I gotta make sure they don't piss and fall on the ground

[worthy flicker]

If they all fall on the ground I get to feel cool if I manage to clutch tho

[lusty river]

I would use it if it didn't have a billion nerfs to it

Also the sniper hipfire crosshair is insane. You might as well just remove the damn circle

[scenic venture]

To train aim in any game just play an aim trainer

[rose nova]

well if u wanna eat u gotta cook

its not like

i havent heard of em

but im too lazy to even search em

[scenic venture]

I just play phantom forces

Really fast paced sometimes, but it trains my aim, now i barely miss a headshot

[warped prairie]

i play phantom forces to lol

[lusty river]

Is that roblox

[mystic moss]

no way this guy recommends roblox for aim training

[lusty river]

😩

[rose nova]

roblox

bruh

[scenic venture]

I do 🤑

Everyone has their own way of training aim

This is mine, dont judge it

[rose nova]

they say only god can judge

i dont agree

[scenic venture]

Fair

[visual lily]

Thats what schools are for

[lusty river]

[scenic venture]

[quartz thunder]

will u still be able to get steam achievement while playing with mods ?

[rare stone]

yes

MTFO has a setting to disable achievements though, you can turn that off in the config

[modern verge]

Met the fuck out?

[balmy moat]

Some mods don't depend on MTFO so they will count for achievements regardless

[rare stone]

most mods that you can use in the base game, yes

[sharp siren]

Tjoma balls mod

[rare stone]

Tjoma nuts update

[queen galleon]

Tjoma I didn't laugh

Tjoma it's not funny anymore

[rare stone]

Tjoma pain

[sharp owl]

tjoma nobody asked

[queen galleon]

Tjoma I don't need other's permission to chat in Discord

[unreal crystal]

Tjoma

[sharp owl]

Tjoma

[unreal crystal]

jay jackoff

[rare stone]

dickus biggus

pleasure to meet you

[unreal crystal]

dumbass

[rare stone]

thanks

[visual lily]

Guys is it a good idea if i show my date my schlong straight away in public

[flat perch]

either your date posts your bail or then it wasn't meant to be. do it.

[fallow rune]

hi

someone wanna play with rookie?

[sharp owl]

@visual lily would love to

[ripe void]

i love that game

me omw to turn my bfg50 into scattergun

[random pond]

hi im a new player looking for a game

invite me if you need another player, thanks

[wispy bluff]

.t lfg

[foggy plank]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[kindred mural]

Did someone say my name

[rare stone]

people keep saying "Tjoma balls"

so yes

[kindred mural]

Leave my balls alone

[rare stone]

don't tell that to me

[kindred mural]

[rare stone]

tell it to all the other people that keep spamming it

[shut vapor]

Tjoma balls

[analog flicker]

[kindred mural]

Is there any other game similar to GTFO?

[robust dawn]

DRG

[modern coral]

Not really, though.

[hybrid cloak]

dont think there is

[modern coral]

R6E tries to be, but it doesn't really make it there, and is kind of mid gameplay-wise.

It's like the "GTFO should have randomly generated levels" idea, but it kind of proves that tailor-made is what makes GTFO work.

I don't think the maps are random in R6E exactly, but most of the gameplay is just combinations of stuff.

[hybrid cloak]

even if they make the process of random generation perfect it becomes stale after a while

needs direction and innovation to keep it fresh and compelling

[robust dawn]

U drop down with 4 guys into a dark place where you may encounter waves of enemies whilst doing objectives, at the end you extract. Drg is the closest thing I know to gtfo

[hybrid cloak]

well if you narrow it down to those specific points sure

[boreal yew]

That sounds like just PVE coop shooter like L4D2, killing floor 2

[modern coral]

It is the closest thing to GTFO.

It's also not really like GTFO, because there are no games like GTFO.

And like other people are mentioning, most of the overlap comes from GTFO and DRG being horde shooters developed in a similar time period with a handful of parallels.

DRG is a much more casual game that tends to stand out for its class and build systems and its progression systems.

[meager sleet]

think the closest game to gtfo would be stardew valley

[modern coral]

GTFO is more about clearing content with an equipment roster that everyone has access to at base, where roles are more-so defined by the gear you bring to the level and what tasks you perform (and know how to perform).

[sharp owl]

wouldnt say drg is that similar to gtfo but still very fun

I think the most noticeable difference is drg is a super casual go silly have fun game

[modern coral]

You can make it hard, but players also get access to some pretty powerful build options.

[sharp owl]

you can make it harder by crippling yourself or playing modded haz

[meager sleet]

melee only in drg and ranged only in gtfo

[sharp owl]

ranged only in gtfo is viable in most levels

[modern coral]

All of GTFO's roles are also like if the only option were DRG's Scout.

[meager sleet]

ur right

we do need a minigun as a primary weapon

[modern coral]

The most cracked you can get in GTFO is essentially super blowthrough (HEL weapons/pen).

[meager sleet]

good to see you and i are on the same mindset

[modern coral]

Even "specialized" builds in DRG tend to have a lot of versatility in comparison.

Wave clear is grenade launchers and flamethrowers, vs. over here the archetypical "mulch small stuff" is machinegun and revolver.

[meager sleet]

imagine if we had the fatboy overclock lol

[spring silo]

DRG has taken nearly 1000 hours of my life, I'd recommend it as a more casual alternative to GTFO

[hybrid cloak]

not a fan of casual games it numbs my brain

[quartz cape]

gtfo is a casual game

maybe thats why it numbs my brain

[hybrid cloak]

you're a casual game

[meager sleet]

i think i'm more prone to getting bored with casual games, but it's ok every now and then

friends adding different flavors

[ripe void]

these knots

[sharp owl]

you can make drg not a casual game if u want to tho

[serene jewel]

what are the stats of the melee shove

[sharp owl]

wdym

[boreal yew]

The only meaningful stat for shove... stamina cost?

[wispy bluff]

Should deal 0.1 damage 😔

[hybrid cloak]

but how will i stagger the one enemy forever

[quartz cape]

with -melee boosters

[spring silo]

I should specify, by "casual", i more meant it's better for just picking up and playing for a bit, you don't need to reserve sweeping timeslots and have one mission take an hour or two

Haz 5 missions (or haz 6 and above with the starship troopers mod) can certainly give a more "hardcore" experience if you're into that

[sharp owl]

i dont think I'd call haz 5 hardcore

[spring silo]

but there really isn't anything like GTFO

[alpine scaffold]

DRG and GTFO have the same objective

Kill the scout.

[sharp owl]

funniest drg joke

[spring silo]

nor would I, really, but I figured I'd mention it
starship troopers is great though

I wonder how close to GTFO DoW will be

[quartz cape]

i hope the guy who made the haz 7 mod falls into a big hole and cant get out

[sharp owl]

custom difficulty saved drg for alot of people

[quartz cape]

i hope they all fall in a big hole too

[gilded igloo]

I used to be hardcore with some folks into DRG; love that game

[sharp owl]

i hope you are doomed to an eternity of r8e2 with pubs

[quartz cape]

i already won with the hardest pub

[gilded igloo]

Gif no work..

[sharp owl]

was it really that hard if we got it first try

[meager sleet]

true that

[quartz cape]

im just really good

[sharp owl]

nah artek carry

@quartz cape how many attempts with artek beforehand

[quartz cape]

2

[sharp owl]

clearly AU client scatter was the missing piece of the puzzle

[quartz cape]

i think not taking burst pistol/bullpup was the missing piece

[sharp owl]

did he actually

[quartz cape]

yes

[sharp owl]

artek 😭

[quartz cape]

he was gonna take AR on our run

but i managed to talk him out of it

[wispy bluff]

First attempt was BP - we lost to terminal softlock (desync woohoo)

Second attempt was... Softlock again?

That was burst pistol with many +Main DMG boosters

[sharp owl]

AU client scatter would have solved terminal softlock

[quartz cape]

no second attempt was a million scout triggers

[wispy bluff]

Oh right, that

My burstp istol never got a chance to shine

[sharp owl]

obviously mrmountainman set off the scouts right artek?

[quartz cape]

i set off the first one

[sharp owl]

the first of many

🫃

[quartz cape]

no just one

[sharp owl]

no i meant like the first of many scouts set off not by you specifically

it had to have been lea no way artek set off any scouts

[quartz cape]

the second one was a lea + artek combo

[sharp owl]

teamwork makes the dream work

[gilded igloo]

I have never seen this Artek in game, but y'all speak like they're a minor god

[sharp owl]

he is basically the best gtfo player of all time

[quartz cape]

what about zin

[sharp owl]

who

[wispy bluff]

I genuinely don't remember what happened

[quartz cape]

zinlorien

[sharp owl]

i dunno who that is (respectfully)

[wispy bluff]

Charger scout found SOMEONE, but i dont know who and how

I was hiding in a corner and saw no tentaclers

[quartz cape]

it hit lea but she thought you were gonna foam it

communication error

[quartz cape]

5k hour player

goes crazy

[sharp owl]

when r u getting 5k hrs mr mountain man

[quartz cape]

never

once they fix achievements ill be gone

[sharp owl]

how many hrs have you talked about gtfo

[quartz cape]

i dunno

some

probably

[gilded igloo]

at least 2

[quartz cape]

thats the spirit

[sharp owl]

who was that

i got ghost pinged

[quartz cape]

you got regular pinged in spoiler chat

[sharp owl]

wtf

[ripe void]

6x2

[robust dawn]

when are they adding aquarqs

[ripe void]

aquarq mining mission

or
finding an aquarq chunk and gtfo

[verbal dragon]

Hello

[hybrid cloak]

hi

[ripe void]

do not honk

[wispy bluff]

Attempting no healz R8D1 again, boosted like mad. Lets see if not being 85% infected does anything.

[hybrid cloak]

Yes pls 🥺

[ripe void]

Mhm

[hybrid cloak]

It was easier to do with bots as long as u don't find meds

[wispy bluff]

I'm working extra hard on terminal to ensure that's not happening

[junior latch]

r8d1 without meds/disinfect

rly is just "play as if you were new, but actually know everything"

[sharp owl]

me when its chillin but this one mf picks up the turbine and hits the dis station

delet

[indigo jolt]

That is a horrifying vaporeon

Also the dis station blocks achievement? Bummer, from the description I only thought resource packs were disallowed

[sharp owl]

ermmm i assume it does?

[balmy moat]

It does

Detox is detox

No matter what the form is

[lusty river]

How did you get a pic of me

[sharp owl]

damn what a qt

[wispy bluff]

Funny thing about that: there are no disinfo packs in the entire level... ONLY the station. And its right next to the fog turbine, always. There is no confirmation, or HOLD_E to use it - you press E for a microsecond around that thing and its game over.

In retrospect devs could've done literally EVERYTHING to prevent that, but....

[lusty river]

Can’t you get the bot to pick it up

[wispy bluff]

Yes. That's how i'm doing it.

[lusty river]

[hybrid cloak]

What the fog turbine for?

[wispy bluff]

Trying to not get ifnected as much

Speaking of which: are there any room dividers within the hole?

Or is the whole shtick is just one giant room?

Its important to understand this turret placement

Or for that matter i need to know if they spawn exclusively from the main entrance, or the little sidedoor too

[junior latch]

its the same as r6c1 no?

(obviously with minor changes)

also why would you need to sentry

just run up

[wispy bluff]

Yeah. There are 2 doors.

[wispy bluff]

The less i have to risk getting licked the better.

[hybrid cloak]

Pretty sure you don't need it anymore after that part or am I missing something 🤔

[wispy bluff]

You gotta get to the bottom of fogged up hole

even if you pull the room - that's still a long way down

Unless you take "the shortcut"

[hybrid cloak]

Oh yeah I forgot bout that 2nd part my b 😅

[wispy bluff]

Moment of truth...

I probably should get that x2 ammo...

[hybrid cloak]

Could be a med in there careful

[wispy bluff]

Gottem!

ALMOST wiped on the garden catwalks room again - there's always 2 more chargers in there than you expected, but smooth sailing otherwise.

All 3 sentires down (HEL GOAT included, of course) and its GG.

Doing this level with pubs honestly made it far scarier than it actually is...

[hybrid cloak]

Congratulations

[junior latch]

idk why you would ever use hel sentry there

but

congratulations tho

that achievement rly doesnt sound fun with pubs

[wispy bluff]

When you have 3 sentries - the two combat ones do most of the job anyway. The HEL Sentry is a Plan-B anti-wipe tool.

If anything it holds that suprise big spawn in place real nice.

[hybrid cloak]

What guns u have bots on

[rose nova]

it can be, depends of course
i did it with an lfg team and it was the shit very fun

the extreme care and then they forget the lil waves when the second command goes in

also GO TO SLEEP

SMH

[lost lynx]

daily reminder uplinks are the worst

[hybrid cloak]

Daily reminder ALT Pablo has better takes

[wispy bluff]

Whole squad on Double Tap + BC

[lost lynx]

maybe
i am the ALT pablo

[hybrid cloak]

Man wtf 😭

[lost lynx]

maybe we are the ALT ourselves

😔

[wispy bluff]

Its the only way to make them actually deal damage

[rose nova]

bruh

[wispy bluff]

(without unloading scattergun into the air, of course)

[hybrid cloak]

We'll be betrayed the OGs

[hybrid cloak]

I aged lil bit

Could have given them choke or something

[wispy bluff]

The picture of hackett missing a point bank shot way back in OG R6C1 is forever burned into my mind.

They need a room for error.

BC gives them just that

the only way to make them viable against chargers too

[hybrid cloak]

That's your job

[wispy bluff]

I don't like this job.

[hybrid cloak]

Hel shotgun and bot support fire

[rose nova]

shouldve thought about it before, givin em precision weapons lol

[wispy bluff]

I used to give them Prec Rifle and Short Rifle

They macro fire them quite nicely

Prec Rifle burns through ammo though

[hybrid cloak]

Close mid range they can hit 50-70% of their shots

Short rifle might actually be good on them

[wispy bluff]

And it appears they always use main for range and special for close

[hybrid cloak]

Gon have to try that

[wispy bluff]

Its pretty alright

They macro fire it like mad occasionally and they NEVER run out of ammo

New top bot weapon as far as ammo efficiency is concenred

No damage though...

Which is why i also used to to give them Slugs

[hybrid cloak]

Yeah they go Rambo when giants get close and they got veruta

[wispy bluff]

For the first time in my life... I observed bots to colectively run out of Main Ammo... While holding 40%+ special ammo on each.

It was bizzare...

[hybrid cloak]

They do that sometimes

30% main 70% special gotta love it

[midnight frigate]

NO

I WAS SO CLOSE TO BEAT8NG FIRST LEVEL WITH BOTS

I MOVED TO MUCH ON ACCIDENT

Sadge

I'm getting better tho

[lost lynx]

unfortunate

[hybrid cloak]

Next one can be faster

[midnight frigate]

I will get better

Once I have time

Work swamp comes in

The whole place

Flooded

[hybrid cloak]

Ugh... Live leak?

[lofty steeple]

is controlled responce achievement bugged 😦

i busted my ass to get it this morning and no unlock

[rose nova]

what level did u do? and what guns did u had?

[lofty steeple]

r1b1, shelling 549 and shelling arid 5

locked all the other 3 slots, so no bots

[rose nova]

mayb be steam maintanance, which either way i think should unlock once it fixes itself

[lofty steeple]

is that a thing

[boreal yew]

Could be, I have my controlled response last week with pretty much the same settings with you. But earlier I can't get biotracker achievement

[lofty steeple]

so oddddd

it better be omg

[strong terrace]

@trim sail </3

[eternal maple]

Does SMG have good stagger?

Thought I heard that somewhere

[rose nova]

it has a, very lil minor difference of having worse stagger

[lusty river]

I haven’t used smg in forever…

[rose nova]

its like a 0.94 vs the usual 1

so its, like, default

[lusty river]

Short rifle’s stagger tho 😆💀

[eternal maple]

lol thanks

[rose nova]

if u want a staggering auto

hel autpistols pretty much the only option along with hel shotgun

[lusty river]

Veruta 😏

[rose nova]

and on specials veruta has above average

[lofty grotto]

Just another day of looking for/gathering a group

[rose nova]

have u tried lfg

[lofty grotto]

Yes

[rose nova]

nice

[lofty grotto]

Ita just. not much seemed to want to do B4 Secondary

[sharp owl]

Is r7e1 possible with bots

Also known as Chaos

[lofty grotto]

No

Thats a solid no

[sharp owl]

How do?

So*

[lofty grotto]

Theres an Immortal to start with alongside with double tanks and Scans with Immortal

[lusty river]

Cleared that level too many times. It’s one of those hard stuck missions for pubs

[edgy plover]

It'd be easier to do solo without bots than with bots

[sharp owl]

Okay so get fellow humans then

[lofty grotto]

Ah ok.

[shut vapor]

Fellow humans are always better than bots, no matter how much they suck

[lofty grotto]

RIP. I guess I missed out the prime time for that stuff

[sharp owl]

How many levels roughly are genuinely impossible with bots

Is it only chaos or are there more

[lofty grotto]

Well... it actually depends on the level design and objectives

[edgy plover]

I mean "technically" none are impossible, but GL dying on that hill.

[lofty grotto]

Bots are not good at fighting levels that has tanks or moms

or levels with high presence of chargers and bbcs

[sharp owl]

I’m running with a friend and 2 boys so hopefully tanks won’t be as hard as 3 bots

[rose nova]

impossible for normal people, most E tiers except R8E1, r7d1, r8c1 PE, r7d2, etc etc etc

practically all D tiers

specially for sectors

except like, r1d1 r2d1 r3d1

[sharp owl]

Yikes

[shut vapor]

Bots just arent great in the hard side of content

[sharp owl]

Kinda wanted to play every single level but if even for people to beat most e tiers

Even r2e1?

[lofty grotto]

Hardest level I did for me in terms of bots was R7C2 PE

[rose nova]

R2E1 has u carry several big items, and bots cant do those on alarms

so u would need to backtrack a lot

[shut vapor]

R2e1 is not happening with bots 💀

[rose nova]

which means death

so impossible

[sharp owl]

I’ll have to make sure to get a team then

How reliable are people on lfg

[lofty grotto]

Hard to tell but if anything, most can be good

[sharp owl]

I mean for r2e1 I have 1 friend is it’s not like I’m running all bots or if you have any bots at all you can’t do it?

[eternal maple]

yeeeeeeeah

perty much

[lofty grotto]

pretty much

Same can be said for R4E1.

That has a Tank Error AND you had to move 2 cells at the same time

[sharp owl]

Is there any lore to the immortals

[lofty grotto]

No idea

[sharp owl]

Because I just find it cool

How they randomly become well immortal

So as far as I’m seeing it any e level get real people

[rose nova]

they probs evolved to just not have tumors

as a tank 2.0 or somethin

[lusty river]

It really depends. I started off just finding random people to play with and then once I got pretty decent at the game, got at least 1 or 2 to team with and whoever was 3rd or 4th was a random or one of the friends I made when I aimlessly pubbed. It’s not so bad, when at least one other than yourself knows what to do

[true geyser]

how is matchmaking in gtfo? just curious

[sharp owl]

Form what I’ve heard just use LFG here

[true geyser]

alr

[rose nova]

ingame mm its a bit too slow, theres not really moderation so u can get hackers easily, an theres no way to select an specific mission anymore so

yeah stick to LFG

[sharp owl]

Anyone else agree chargers ain’t nothin

In sacrifice I’m fairly certain I held an entire wave of chargers with a choke mod shotgun

[rose nova]

ur gonna regret those words

specially on r4c3

[sharp owl]

how tragic is that lol

[lusty river]

R8B3’s extreme alarm 😏

[sharp owl]

r2d2 done all the way and then die at extraction because no ammo

if i had a nickel for everytime this has happened

i'd have two

which is interesting

[lusty river]

A symptom of a reactor objective. Tragic indeed

[rose nova]

i died a couple times on r2d1 extract

[sharp owl]

like man

i just 1 more mag of machinegun

that's all it would take

0/0 at 20 hp

[lusty river]

Should’ve told the warden to hurry tf up

[sharp owl]

fr

[rose nova]

slap the reactor for it to end faster

[sharp owl]

hit it with a sledgehammer

the industrial version of smacking the remote

sledgehammering the reactor

also i was lagging like a mf, i got an orange hitmarker on 2 scouts but they screamed

never had that happen before

Or you could of used hel shotgun and held off an entire wave

[rose nova]

that doesnt work like that

[sharp owl]

I’ve done it before

[rose nova]

reactor waves are way more big than an alarm

dpecially on r2d2

the moment the 7 hybrids appear ur dead

hel shottie on 100 or not

[sharp owl]

7????

[rose nova]

well not 7 but 2 3 and other 3 bigs

the later waves are very fucky

not all reactors spawns the same shit

[sharp owl]

Is it possible with bots?

[rose nova]

r2d2? yeah but it is excrutiating

[sharp owl]

you know how in the lore r2 and r3 make a vessel for the collectors

that but the bot is a vessel for the burst sentry

So give the bots burst sentry’s?

probably

What about bio scanner

they suck at the shooty bits

well yea of course

I only got 2 bots tho am I cooked?

[rose nova]

bots bio its their best tool

[wraith marsh]

itll be fine

[sharp owl]

take 3 bio bots and crash your game

[wraith marsh]

learning the level will be the hard part

[sharp owl]

the enemies can't kill you if their simulation dies

[rose nova]

stanley parable ass ending

[sharp owl]

Me and my human partner should run x foam minelayer which human needed tool

Just bring 3 sentries 1 bio right

[rose nova]

on reactors sure

burst sentries are good, snipers can be useful on ones with a ton of bigs

and shottie and auto dont really help

[sharp owl]

Snipers should target bigs

So stupid how it goes for the one furthest away

[rose nova]

well usually its a big

[sharp owl]

sentries are stupid

[rose nova]

hybrids stand in the back

bigs are slow

[sharp owl]

But their tongues are fuckin hugeeeee

i think this is just a thing that sentries do because they're robots

not really a bug

[rose nova]

but sentries dont target the tongues

[rose nova]

did u thought it was a bug?

how even

[sharp owl]

no

[rose nova]

ah ok u scared me

[sharp owl]

i mean it's not something to improve on

Warden buys form the lowest bidder

the whole complex is

interestingly designed

How did employees get to their job in the first place

entire reactors and at the same time exceptionally crappy locks and doors

Because there’s no way they caged dropped in for a Monday job

[rose nova]

stairs idk they used to live there

[rose nova]

wdym crappy doors
they pretty good if they hold, so many enemies

sec doors

[sharp owl]

Imagine having the most shitty night of your life and having to cage door to your floor

Also are all the rundowns in the facility or are rundowns separate

[sharp owl]

smaller doors

if you can bang a door open with your fists

that's a stupid door

[rose nova]

its not, ur fists its a two handed hammer and several hits but

ok

[sharp owl]

Metal shouldn’t be breaking that easy

It takes like 5 swings

And it pops open

Santonian industries should rethink their purpose as a company

[sharp owl]

i mean sleepers

sleepers just kinda slam into a door i guess

[rose nova]

sleepers are like using all the human force of a person and also take several hits to break it open lol

[sharp owl]

also they destroy cfoam

how strong are sleepers any way

They can’t be that strong

cfoam looks very powerful

If they use their tongue to attack

[rose nova]

i mean bigs slap u two times and they leave u to shit

[sharp owl]

like tearing open a rubber tire

That means their fists are weak

bigs sure

[sharp owl]

Yeah but at least it makes sense

It’s a massive back hand

but smalls

[rose nova]

smalls i would imagine they do slam like againts the door just by speed and like their bodyweight

like the run full force againts it

[sharp owl]

Still it shouldn’t break open that easy

[rose nova]

like when ur cat tries to jump throught a window thats closed

[rose nova]

idk ask santonian

they made it

its probs cheap cause, mega corpo shit

[sharp owl]

Why don’t teh warden just seal off the facility

No need to send deranged men with guns in there

[lusty river]

Because the warden is not on our side lmao

[rose nova]

well if they dont humanity its extinct, the alternative its risk it and see if it pays off

[sharp owl]

I’m having a seizure reading this

What do you mean

[rose nova]

well humanity went to shit, we the only ones alive

[sharp owl]

Oh shit

Is the warden ai or something

[rose nova]

warden just says 'fuck it, we ball' and see if we can see some way to live

smh someone hasnt read the #gtfo-lore pinged document
tho i guess it has spoilers for r8, idk

[sharp owl]

I know there’s 0 info on the warden but do we know if it’s human

[rose nova]

not sure

[sharp owl]

So the virus escaped the facility

Jeez all the advanced enemies in the confined spaces of the facility imagine them in a free world with damn near endless space

[pine root]

In r8

[sharp owl]

They must all be immortals out there

[pine root]

We find out about the warden

[rose nova]

and also on some parts of r6 n stuff

[pine root]

Yeah I think it is mainly r6

[rose nova]

r6d1 ksmdkm

[sharp owl]

R6 is lore juicy

[pine root]

But warden is confirmed to be something

[sharp owl]

Is it read through terminal lore or does it tell you

[sharp owl]

Doubt it will ever be said as r8 final rundown

[rose nova]

...

[sharp owl]

I mean what teh warden is

[rose nova]

...

anyways

[sharp owl]

I’m new to this stuff what do you expect from me

I’m only a rundown 2 scrub

[rose nova]

well why u askin stuff that probs get revealed later on skmdkm

u say 'probs will never be confirmed' u have 6 more rundowns give it patience

[sharp owl]

ive noticed that you tend to waste ammo when playing as client

cuz everything is delayed

[analog flicker]

not really

[sharp owl]

yes really

[wraith marsh]

if youre using autos maybe

(autos suck anyways)

[rose nova]

veruta sucks ass

[shut vapor]

You waste ammo because of desync, i waste ammo because i click to tab back into the game. We are not the same

[rose nova]

i waste ammo cause i cant fucking aim

[sharp owl]

tabs back into gtfo, shooting teammate with sniper

[rose nova]

me using an entire mag of hel revo just cause i cant hit an enemy:

[sharp owl]

also the fact that you can't interrupt things well kinda sucks

[lusty river]

This happened to me once. It’s inevitable

[shut vapor]

That's not realistic because no-one will ever take sniper again :(

[sharp owl]

nah someone took sniper on this r2d2 run

i dont think it worked out too well

i think he killed one thing instantly and then just punched holes in giants

[analog flicker]

tbf. from how elbow has described their desync to me in the past. Elbow's desync is really bad

[lusty river]

Elbow host when

[sharp owl]

nah it's usually tolerable

[analog flicker]

Elbow's clientside desync that is.

[sharp owl]

but like

shoving a sleeper and then getting tounged as he falls over

getting an orange hitmarker on a scout and then it oooOO

stuff like that's annoying

[analog flicker]

desync / packet loss /latency etc etc

you're having a issue somewhere for it to be that bad

[lusty river]

I had a couple packet loss moments; made me think I have skill issues (I do)

[analog flicker]

my dislikeness of packet loss

is when it eats up one of my foam blobs

[lusty river]

Cfoam bad ewwww 😏

[analog flicker]

Yuki. I quite frankly have lost trust of majority C foam users in pubs

mine deployer is tolerable despite what Hange might say

but for me it's C foam

[lusty river]

That’s fair, they never cfoam unless told to 😔

Although Idm if someone else takes cfoam, if they f up, I can blame them hehe

If they really wanna be an asshole with cfoam, just put a blob on the terminals

[sharp owl]

Always blame bio

[analog flicker]

lol...

a bad bio is pretty clear

[lusty river]

That is also fair yes

[analog flicker]

if someone wants a braindead tool. it's just sentries

[lusty river]

But a lot of pubs don’t like taking bio

[analog flicker]

place in a reasonable place then forget it until it's needed to be picked up/refilled

[sharp owl]

Idk why you wouldn't like taking bio

Wallhacks

[lusty river]

Because pinging while shooting is too much for them 😩

[worthy flicker]

I like taking mines cause you kinda just throw em on doors and then things explode

It's great

[sharp owl]

It's extremely satisfying to ping an entire wave

[lusty river]

This. I sometimes forget to pick up my sentry :3

[sharp owl]

Straight dopamine

[analog flicker]

Bio is imo. deceptively seen as a passive role

[sharp owl]

Next patch bio need tool to ping

[analog flicker]

when you're really intel and balancing usages

[sharp owl]

Why do we have to survive a mission i wonder

If the reactor is on

It's on

Why do i have to survive

[analog flicker]

while our usual groups Yuki are mutes. we make bio work. but Bio shines best with communication

[sharp owl]

Anything shines with communication

Hits giant with sledgehammer without warning team

[analog flicker]

Bio especially since communicating enemies you can't ping yet or how many is miles faster to mutes

[sharp owl]

Yeah

Biotracker mark 5 can actually ping stationary enemies

Unfortunately it's not within the budget

We're stuck with mark 4

[analog flicker]

"according to the pinger, we're already dead"

[lusty river]

Hehe most times Idk what to say. RDM is the best at bio communication

[analog flicker]

• Hackett

[analog flicker]

RDM meanwhile will spit some Modded rundown's gun stats at me when we're talking about vanilla stats

[lusty river]

😆

[sharp owl]

Biotracker does confirm that sleepos have a heartbeat

Which is interesting

[analog flicker]

not everything is FE2 / (whatever that rundown was where everything is E tier. I forget)

[sharp owl]

Bio is my favourite tool

Mine is more awesome when i can use it properly

Hitting nasty wave clearing mines on doors is just amazing

[worthy flicker]

The trick(for blood doors) is to put it inside the little cut out segment

[sharp owl]

That death audio playing 20 times and you just hear just tons of crunching and breaking

[worthy flicker]

Should clear everytime

Unless it's bigger boys

[sharp owl]

My god that is just so satisfying

[analog flicker]

tip. Mines can hit heads

[lusty river]

Damn I’ve always been putting it vertical in the middle on the floor

😏

[sharp owl]

Toilet paper

[worthy flicker]

You joke but I still see people do that

[sharp owl]

Perpendicular

Mmmmm

[analog flicker]

technically not really that bad for smaller doors. but not ideal since enemies on the sides might live

[sharp owl]

MMM

[lusty river]

[analog flicker]

the issue is more rather if the enemies will trigger it

[sharp owl]

Also hitting clutch mines is fun

I was getting chased in one game and i just placed a mine behind a corner and i just hear a cruunch

It caught like 6 enemies

[tulip fossil]

no more check point?

[lusty river]

Huh

[tulip fossil]

when you die all no more check point?

[ripe void]

he was a bio guy
she was a sniper sentry girl

[sharp siren]

I was tjoma balls

[robust dawn]

same

[robust dawn]

no

[abstract goblet]

tips for r2d2?

[trim sail]

what part did you get stuck on ?

[abstract goblet]

5 onwards

[latent palm]

set up and defend on bridge mostly

move on into codes zone after and just watch the timer

[pearl turret]

Do any of you guys experience a delay/lag everytime they team up with 3 more other persons? But when I play solo or duo no lag.

[kindred mural]

Depends, are you the one hosting?

[pearl turret]

Sometimes, yes. But we try to host 1 by 1 and it seems like it occurs randomly.

No issues on the internet either.

[sharp owl]

if you aren't hosting then that's normal

[queen galleon]

ping issue

[sharp owl]

wait a minute

in r1c2 can't you just wake up a whole bunch of sleepers

and then pull the alarm on that charger door

and just have them not spawn

i guess you'd need to kite them around

[wispy bluff]

I don't think its gonna help

[gusty burrow]

In which Elbowguard discovers giant kiting and enters the dark phase of soloing

[wispy bluff]

You traded 15 chargers for 25 biters, well done

[gusty burrow]

You pull the giant zone, and reach spawn cap with just 10 or so of them, and they're ridiculously easy to kite.

[wispy bluff]

That could work, yeah

[rare stone]

oh?

:)

nah I don't wanna kite that's lame

[vestal crystal]

25 strikers arguably less scary than 15 chargers though

[junior latch]

especially since you can always just kite them again

15 chargers are so much harder to do that on

[sharp owl]

chargers when they see chokemod shotgun

[vestal crystal]

umm

gl with choke modd against 15 chargers solo bro

[sharp owl]

the indomitable spirit of choke mod when it sees the crushing reality of its reload speed:

[hybrid cloak]

He ain't shooting the entire hood

[shut vapor]

[wispy bluff]

Good luck reloading, you're gonna need it

(Me switching to primary pistol to finish the charger because i missed a whole pellet)

[analog flicker]

REMEMBER. SWITCHING TO YOUR SECONDARY SCATTERGUN IS FASTER THAN RELOADING.

swap shots a baby striker approaching me

[queen galleon]

average sniper rifle fans: 🤓🤡🤓🤡 true scattergun enjoyers:

[latent palm]

corrections

R8 sniper fans vs R8 scattergun Enjoyers

[fringe marsh]

do sentry do back damage?

[hybrid cloak]

nope

[fringe marsh]

are there reason people point sentry towards us ?

[hybrid cloak]

old strategy

no use anymore

[vernal nebula]

Sometimes it can be advantageous based on sightlines but there’s usually no reason to

I think the only time I’d consider it would be if I was from defending from an alarm and we don’t have C-foam or Mines for some reason

But why would you not be giving them tool / not be equipping them lol

[sharp owl]

we need to scout

[sonic merlin]

My group will place a turret 'facing' us on the far side of a door we're c-foaming to murder the sleepers as they try to break in.

But generally we're careful to push the sentries out further so we don't step in front of them.

[vernal nebula]

That’s a waste of ammo imo, just re-foam the door

If you kill too many another wave will spawn

[sonic merlin]

Okay, to put into how new we are, I didn't realize you could refoam a door once the foam dies.

I'm assuming it goes 'foam dies' -> door dies

[vernal nebula]

If it’s not broken you can continue to foam it, think of it like a shield 👍

My favorite tool in the game

[rose nova]

puttin a sentry behind a foamed door its just usually very, nothing
if the doors foamed, the sentry will not have time to kill all the enemies and when it breaks itll be a huge wave all at once, better to leave the door open so they trickle in and sentry has time to aim at em
if u re-foam the door, mine it, that way the whole wave dies with minimal tool refill wasted

[sonic merlin]

ty, that will greatly improve our sentry turret ammo consumption.

[rose nova]

instead of the sentry just using ammo and

lettin more waves spawn

[vernal nebula]

Best of luck!

[rose nova]

if u wanna close doors and foam em, i would just recommend u use mines

[sonic merlin]

Yeah, we were playing around with that bit but recently we've been running two sentries, bio tracker, and foam

I think we've gotten a bit over reliant on bio tracker, but also its useful :<

[rose nova]

bios good, worth to have every mission

[vernal nebula]

Bio tracker is good for every level tbh

[rose nova]

its just super nice to have the intel

i never go into a mission without a bio lol

[sonic merlin]

Yee

[vernal nebula]

The level would also need to have quite a bit of tool to warrant someone bringing no bio tracker

Some people even run 2 for some levels like R2E1 or R4E1

[sonic merlin]

It feels like we use it for literally every sleeper in a room which is nice but also we clear so slow

Huh, haven't dipped past a C mission

I've been enjoying the game and the challenge of puzzling it out tho

[vernal nebula]

Trust me you’ll be hugging your bio tracker after you finish R1D1 haha

[sonic merlin]

But it is very frustrating when we get to the end of a mission and then we die at the last possible moment because bad resource management.

I know it's growing pains and I can roll with that, but at least one of the other group members is uh, getting down about it morale why

[hybrid cloak]

i think you need to learn how to fast stealth

[sonic merlin]

So is fast stealth just clearing everything quickly, or just clearing only what you need to get through a room?

I'm assuming the former at the momnet.

[hybrid cloak]

both at times but the former is good too

[rose nova]

its clearing everythin quickly lol

i forgot what the former means but yeah usually theres way to just bonk faster

[sonic merlin]

Then yeah, that's the way I want us to practice more.

[hybrid cloak]

first*
latter = last

[sonic merlin]

Like we did it a little bit last night with us splitting into groups of two to clear a room and it worked well.

[hybrid cloak]

also clearing while moving and not crouching

[kindred mural]

@edgy plover https://i.imgur.com/dHiqx0o.png

There we go

[sonic merlin]

oooh, yeah we always crouch

[rose nova]

holy shit

congrats !

[sonic merlin]

ty for the tips, looking forward to putting them into practice.

[kindred mural]

I'm a free man now

[rose nova]

no cause ur still playin :3

i see u using geforce

[hybrid cloak]

knife is good for fast stealth but learning how to do it with hammer is what u wanna end up with

[kindred mural]

[rose nova]

u know my pain

[sonic merlin]

I <3 my sledge. I know half of us use spear tho

[hybrid cloak]

oh dear

[rose nova]

spears ok for, stealth and learnin to bonk scouts but

[vernal nebula]

Now time to go for logs hehe

[rose nova]

eventually u gotta move past it

cause its bad on combat and needs headshots and that kinda stuff

[kindred mural]

So what do I do now

[lean forge]

idk personally think thats a noob mentality

[kindred mural]

[rose nova]

uh

u got all achievements?

[wispy bluff]

Its never a bad call to have bio around

[lean forge]

its fairly useless once you are a competent player

[wispy bluff]

Its free to use, allows other tools to have more tool supply, the only way to make sniper and shotgun sentries viable.

[lean forge]

as opposed to taking any other equipment

[rose nova]

not really, like it helps knowin where enemies spawn from, if theres scouts next rooms, things u cant know unless they are already happening

u can see a lot of pro players taking em

[hybrid cloak]

you dont need to stealth rooms but you absolutely need it during alarms

[lean forge]

disagree

[rose nova]

plus shadows, snatchers, tanks babies

all of those helps immensily with bio pings

[kindred mural]

I don't really care about misc achievs

[hybrid cloak]

we'll see

[rose nova]

shadow scouts chargers enemies with low visibility in general

[rose nova]

well but somethin to strive to

[wispy bluff]

I think it being free is the main seller really

[lean forge]

open your eyes

have you ever considered

[kindred mural]

Bio is the #1 tool

[wispy bluff]

Everyone says that, but it doesn't work.

[hybrid cloak]

open your eyes to see a shadow scout in a well lit room

[rose nova]

u can open ur eyes all u want but shadows on very bright levels arent easy to see bud

[wispy bluff]

Pings are the superior way of seeing enemies

[rose nova]

they fucking hiddens like in gmod

try no bio on r8c1 PE

lol

[kindred mural]

Playing without a bio tracker is asking for trouble

[wispy bluff]

Not so much trouble, just a hassle

[kindred mural]

It's so OP

[wispy bluff]

Bio is mostly a logistics tool, and it simplifies them a lot

[hybrid cloak]

information is king

[wispy bluff]

One guy is just not part of tool distribution, less brain power for that.

[rose nova]

lemme do this class VII alarm without bio when every wave its shadows and shadow giants, they have about 3 spawn points and the levels fucking bright as day lol

[kindred mural]

I'm surprised they didn't make it use battery for every scan you do, having you use tool resupplies on it

[upper loom]

Takes forever having to make sure every rooms clear without one

[wispy bluff]

You can always just shoot your SMG into the air to double check

[rose nova]

bold of u to assume they have an smg

[upper loom]

thats safe?

[rose nova]

i mean wakes the room

[junior latch]

Thats an interesting err argument?

(I presume you didnt just start the game recently)

[kindred mural]

Assuming the doors are closed

[upper loom]

Fair enough

[rose nova]

so u know if theres till enemies

[upper loom]

Thats fair then, yeah

[vernal nebula]

I mentioned it earlier but I mainly love it because it gives more tool ammo for your teammates

[junior latch]

Tbf, can always just shoot once to check

But bios basically the best tool in the game (or rather the one a 4 stack will always run)

[kindred mural]

@rose nova Ended up brute forcing through R5D1 even though it had 2 P-moms waiting at the end

[junior latch]

Based artek

Not the smg part

[rose nova]

aight ksmdkm u love pain i see

[junior latch]

but the shooting mentality

[rose nova]

shoot ur scattergun to make sure the rooms empty

[hybrid cloak]

whats the hot main nowadays?

[rose nova]

assault rifle?
by hot u mean bad right

[junior latch]

„Nowadays“ ?

[hybrid cloak]

hot i mean sexy

[kindred mural]

Heavy SMG

[junior latch]

top 4 hasnt changed since r7 came out